I love ISTJs in academia who actually care about their pupils. They are some of the wisest people and are quick to verify opposing beliefs instead of completely ignoring them
They lack emotional intelligence for sure. I’ve often thought my ISTJ husband is narcissist. He doesn’t catch onto to relational cues. He’s mission first, things first, and then our family/kids/relationship seems to come last.
I admire ISTJs for their dedication, be them young or old, they're always know how to take of themselves, to the point where they are the ones most free to help others whenever you ask them, and they are often proud of it.
@@waltertaboada9319 That's simply not true at least on my case. My ISTJ friend didn't cares about me at all, when he talks about his personal problem i listen to him and even give him some motivation without comparing him to others people, meanwhile when i talks to him about my personal issue it feels like talking with a wall, no matter how long i text or speak to him, he just doesn't care, he just read my messages or sometimes didn't even read it at all, it makes me really hates him for being such an as*h*le. I think it's true ISTJ is kind of narcissistic type which personality really hated by me as an INFJ, they want some attention from others but at the same times they don't cares what other feels.
@@honor9lite1337 Yeah my brother hates it but because he's older and within our own culture is the default person to go to. Im the youngest and Infp so you see where that goes. He doesnt understand how it sucks not to be trusted or wanted in helping but complains that people come to him.
My mom is an ISTJ (or an ESTJ. Hard to tell). She’s not narcissistic at all, but she’s definitely hypercritical, especially of me. She has these standards for herself, that she’s worked her whole life to get to, but she expects everyone else to fulfill them as well, including myself even when I was a kid. Which is wrong because everyone has different abilities and skills and experiences, and to hold everyone else to the standards of productivity and organization and decisiveness that she can afford to hold herself to, and then criticize us for not fulfilling them, is hurtful and doesn’t make sense. She doesn’t understand that our brains can work in different ways. Everything has to fit her standards. (Not sure of my type but I have Fe/Ti)
Being critical shows a lack of empathy, could be narcissistic. Also, their need for control, also their way is right, grandeur!! Sounds like a narc to me!!😂😂😂 istjs suck!!
My Mom is the same way and I am ENFP... her exact opposite. Growing up with her was very challenging. When she continued criticizing my adult decisions and those of my husband and I, we had to discuss appropriate boundaries and expectations. She respects them, even if she doesn't like it.
Modesty is irrelevant. A narcissist is not always some charismatic, extroverted schmoozer - you can have a low profile, even a loud inner critic or low-self esteem and be a narcissist. Self-importance (including being self-absorbed) and lack of empathy are the only requisites for narcissism.
@Pie Tart Totally disagree with your opinion saying ISTJ are "pretty down to earth", i have ISTJ friend, in facts he is narcissistic person which i really hate.
@@runninginthe90s75 I know narcissistic ISTJs as well, they're extremely immature and full of themselves. and I know extremely modest ones as well. It's not fair to call the whole type a narcissist because of a few bad apples.
I love ISTJs because they can be insanely honest and informative about the experience they are receiving from something, and I treasure that in a person.
@@barbararay1389 You just hate our personality, it's sad that some people love current music than historical music ,but i respect their opinion ,i am not a dictator , i am democracy fan ,but i like the intelligence of hitler and hans van seekt ,you just need to stay with someone like my personality ,it's true i have a plan on anything ,i wake up at 4:00 pm every day first thing i do it's sport ,cup of curcume tea and boal of oats in lunch legume and meat whole wheat bread ,i just wanna stay healthy so i don't eat bad things like (sugar or white bread ...),finally i am an student of law and politics so again I love democracy .thanks...
@@barbararay1389yes I have same routines every day I like this way of life, Istj's aren't dictators or close minded, they just know alot of information we listen to people who are better than us but not to stupid people, I live alone by the way but when I was in my parents house I was fighting every day with my sister she's intp (no time or privasy respect irresponsible...), hope I answered all your questions.
My experience with an ISTJ was not good. He was a one way street, all he'd talk about what he ate, drank, his workout what he did at work; it's like he was rambling off a list of what he did that day. He never bothered to ask about me and once he was done talking about himself he'd say okay well I need to go...It was by far one of the most off balance relationships I've ever been a part of. He was so selfish in every aspect. He wouldn't take no in the bedroom, he'd beg and beg and beg to the point where I'd give in just so I could get it over with. I'd initiate sex and he'd just flat out say NO. He was an undercover narcissist for sure, I just don't think he's fully aware of it yet. I finally gave up after several, several, several attempts to get him to see how selfish he was being.
@@sweetieluv7919 If you’re going to be ignorant then don’t reply at all it’s not welcomed I am merely going off my own personal experience and happening and seeing if there’s a correlation with some thing I’m a seeker of information not a knowing of all so I wouldn’t claim anything that you wouldn’t know. Your opinions are not facts and neither are mine they are that, Merely and just opinions and correlations with one another so you can keep your nonsensical attitudes to yourself thank you
Isfp growing up with very unhealthy istj mother. I was oppressed. Her need for 'zen' and comfort in the house equated to very personal attacks against me and everyone else for changing bin liners with a bag size she didn't like. Totally unable to deal with reality when it doesn't comfort her.
This stereotype is funny to me cause the ISTJs I know are the kind of people that would hear you say you want to something and they would silently get it for you, no questions asked or anything like that. However I do understand why their demeanor could give off those vibes
They only want to appear as a pillar in the community, they are very much covert narcissists or can be. Low eq, lacking empathy, control freaks, need to feel superior, vengeful..yes, istjs are insecure covert narcissists!!
My ISTJ dad got diagnosed a while ago 😬😬😬 he certainly has all of the bad traits of an ISTJ. Narcs aren't born, they're made, and ik my dad grew up in a house where he felt unwanted sometimes and definitely had to look out for his own comfort because no one else would. Just like what you said. Thanks for the video Chase, I have more to work with in understanding my dad.
Wow my ex-husband is an ISTJ and he never wanted me to have company unless they were super close relatives, and even then he wasn’t a fan of children or pets coming along. And him asking “How do you know that” or “Where did you get that from” was always soooo annoying. I got it from my brain.
Yes, narcissists for sure! Low empathy, control freaks, need to be right, yeah! Idiots, not attractive because they exude hate and well, they are just not! Dark tortuous souls willing to pass on all hate collected! Ughhhhh!!😂😂😂
From afar no, once in a relationship, they'd be more unbearable than INFPs. And to me self absorption is narcissistic. Ps my mom (ISTJs) always says that she can't wait until I go back to university because "I make a mess" at home 😕
@pithopratka I wrote this because I had intimate and generally close personal relationships with ISTJs. I have a lot of ISTJ friends of both sexes. My mother's type is also an ISTJ. Even though I am generalizing here, the vast majority certainly are wilfully ignorant. I know it from experience. They refuse to believe anything that will make them unconfortable so they bury their heads in the sand. Cowards.
@pithopratka yes, I make the mistake of not criticising them more actually and being soft on them for being lazy too. Family member, there's no plural.
@pithopratka You can be a butthurt ISTJ or actually come to the conclusion that I might be right and that you guys have a lot to work on. Being lazy in general, playing it safe (to the point of cowardice), appealing to autority (intellectual laziness) and hiding behind what you believe to be true, not actually seeking the truth.
@pithopratka just because I criticise someone that doesn't mean my feelings towards them are purely of contempt. Actually, the ISTJs I like the most I have criticised the most. Maybe that's why they stayed my friends. I didn't say only ISTJs have issues, but the issues they do have I have mentioned since I'm quite familiar with their type. There are ISTJs that I've criticised and they may hate me today, but they are better people for it. My main beef with them is the thing I described before, they're too comfy and too lazy to change their bad behavior and are the first ones to run away from the truth, especially about themselves, that's why you don't need to be nice to them, quite the opposite is what usually gets to them.
My bestie is an istj and is the same way. I'm sharing a home with her and she won't allow anybody over our house😅 I found it odd the first time I moved in but later understand and got used to it. my friends think I'm weird but it's not my rule, it's really hers. So funny you said that about the energy stuff
I love my socially awkward sometimes weird Istj I loveee the weirds and sometimes he is mean which I need I’m an estp and I can be bad he keeps me just right but he’s rude and weird 👿
I have seen it more in enfps than infps. Although I’m not an expert on mbti, I’ve observed that infps seem to feel more deeply and if repressed too long can manifest into unhealthy behaviors.
Maybe as an unhealthy infp and I have struggled with covert behaviors but I see them once they were pointed out.. they come out in many ways but once your honest with your behavior they the narc behaviors start recognizing themselves .. it sucks at first but it’s worth it .. if that made sense
@@squirtlent i know what you mean man,i have struggled too and struggling a bit now too,but i am a lot better than before value truth and have a better understanding of whats important
@@squirtlent yes totally makes sense :) We all have defense mechanisms we use, we are also social creatures so the energy and environment we are in will also influence/infect our behaviors. People who are with the npd disorder (not to be confused with having some narcissistic defense mechanisms which most humans do under certain circumstances) don't self reflect, dont see themselves as do, and live in a constant state of denial. The fact that you are able to reflect, acknowledge, and address unhealthy behaviors, tells me that you are not a covert narcissist.
I have an extremely interesting theory (potentially) I recently got out of a two years relationship with an INFJ, a covert passive-aggressive narcissist. I went through terrible emotional abuse, masked by the master of kindness. Assuming he was correctly typed as an INFJ, and I believe he was (but in a way was always a mystery to me). Does it make sense that his narcissistic traits were actually his superego - ISTJ(!!) that somewhere a long the way "took over" his ego pathologically? This would make so much sense and would be so fascinating.
I wonder what personality type is most likely to assume everyone with a different personality type can be classified as having personality disorder such as narcissism? 💁🏻♀️
All of MBTI types, as INFJ i can say ISTJ is one of the worst personality ever exists !! I have ISTJ friend. I can get along with him when we play games together but as INFJ his words tends to makes me mad when we talks about morality, that because he never understand what people feels and when it comes to talking about some sensitive things like war, he makes it harder for me to keep talking with him, i feel like the more he talking the more things get heated to the point our friend relationship isn't healthy anymore. He keep talking about the reason why war is happened but never cares about innocents people who get killed which makes me really mad. At that time it makes me really want to questioning him if he is really cold heart person or just don't cares about someone feelings. I feel like our closes relationship is just being friend, not real friend but just friend to play together. Honestly being ISTJ friend makes me really tired and frustrated as INFJ, it feels like we should not be friend at all.
I am an ENFP married to an ISTJ for 26 years. Although I think any type can become a narcissist given the right circumstances; my husband is not a narcissist, but it could come across that way at times. I genuinely asked him if he had feelings and he just chose not to answer. Haha.
I am an infp ,enfp when I’m in the mood? My first Myers-Briggs test I was an ENFP and then there the next one I NFP and then the next one I NFP and continuously I NFP, oh my ex the narcissist I mean the real malignant top of the highest malignancy you could possibly PE which I would consider a psychopath was supposed to be an ISTJ I’m pretty sure if your husband was a narcissist you would know by now after 26 years. Who knows if my ex was a ISTJ? narcissist should have their own sub category it would be CLCW, which stands for compulsive liar cheating whore pardon my French
As a fellow ENFP I find any xSTJ furiating. Wether narc or not they have guaranteed an inflated ego, and they DEMAND respect, that's the point I could puke in their face. Bonus, they are 0% fun. Maybe a female see this differently, but I would be a masochistic to marry one of them.
@@ErikAdalbertvanNagelI'm also ENFP and my Mom was ISTJ. She was not a fun person to be around. There was a lot of negativity and criticism of my body, my approach to things, my ideas, my interests and my personal space. My one friend is ESTJ and she is NOTHING like my Mom. She and I get along so well. Sure, we have a different approach to things, but she is never mean or critical and she appreciates my differences. Do I do things that get under her skin sometimes? Sure. That's just relationships. She does things that get under my skin, too. But, we have a mutual respect for one another and our unique personalities are appreciated and admired. She even admires my ability to excel at administration and organizational skills when I'm in a work environment and am leaning into my Te. There is a huge difference between the hyper critical, unhealthy ISTJ and a healthy ESTJ. I have another ISTJ in my life and we clash constantly, too. There is just always an underlying tension, because she thinks everyone should do it her way and she gets offended and frustrated if they don't. I recognize that everyone views life differently and have the right to approach it their own way. The ISTJs in my life don't seem to understand or respect that.
@@barbararay1389 Well first of all, low empathy is not a strong indication of narcissism. And everyone has superiority complexes in multiple forms, so from what I can tell; you're basing your opinion through a narrow lens.
@@Zactastical unwillingness to use ones empathy, trait of narcissistic behavior. Do you read? They care about material gain, not folk. Need or hunger to control. Um, so yeah, very insecure, covert, vulnerable narcs!
@@barbararay1389 It's not an unwillingness, it's an incapability. They care deeply about others. Everyone has some form of desire for control, nor do I think it's applicable to narcissism - and same goes for being vulnerable or covertness. I will say they can be narcissistic when it comes to their sense of loyalty and their ability to reason, but I do not think it is to a degree that most other types posses.
Isn't everyone a narcissist? Just like how everyone has anxiety but some have it more to the point it becomes a disorder. If someone had zero narcissistic traits they wouldn't be human. When you label someone a narcissist, that in itself is a narcissistic trait.
Yeah, I think everyone has some narcissistic traits. It’s really easy to look at everyone else and call them narcissists but it’s really hard for someone to reflect on themselves and try to solve their own problems. Or be tolerant of someone else’s weaknesses.
I don’t think it’s fair to judge ISTJs as being narcissistic based on their personality type. I’m sure many of them are because narcissism is an epidemic and it’s everywhere, but it has nothing to do with their personality type. The same goes for ESTJs.
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My ISTJ brother ofen asks me my "opinion" but in reality is just trying to validate what he thinks is right. For example after having a tirade about rap music. Don't you think rap music is the worst type of music ever and that country is the best? We know he's not looking for an answer contrary to his own opinion and often gets offended when i do. or he'll often ask me repeatedly what do I want, for instance food. Knowing how picky he is i'll say doesnt matter you choose. then he'll just keep coming back at me to choose and if I learned that If i dont default to his pass aggressive wishes he'll get bitchy and critical which frustrates me because I already said it didnt matter to me and that we could go with his. I wouldnt consider any of that narcissitic though maybe just self absorbed. He's a very my way or the highway kinda guy and doesnt like when others have authority over him because everyone else is stupid or incapable. He's very aware of people's needs though and very attentive but not on an emotional level. So focused on the cure they forget the patient kinda situation.
I'm an INFJ in a relationship with an ISTJ for going on 2 years. I love how he's so different from me but it also comes with challenges, particularly in our communication styles. I would really be interested to know your thoughts about ways we could maybe meet in the middle in order to avoid as much miscommunication as possible.
Run! Lol. I’m INFJ and I thought our differences made me better the first 3 or 4 yrs but 16 yrs in, I’m out! The communication only gets worse. If you have kids, they’re mission oriented, not relationship oriented so they’ll prioritize mowing the lawn and “doing things” rather than something with the kids. They are black and white thinkers which makes the grey area of relationships tough for them. Plus so rigid. And their OCD tendencies are difficult with kids around. I was so burned out from having a baby and he couldn’t catch on what to do. I’ve known other ISTJ parents like this. Comes off as cold. Best of luck tho 😬 I did learn how to be more assertive from him but we’re on two different planets.
All of MBTI types, as INFJ i can say ISTJ is one of the worst personality ever exists !! I have ISTJ friend. I can get along with him when we play games together but as INFJ his words tends to makes me mad when we talks about morality, that because he never understand what people feels and when it comes to talking about some sensitive things like war, he makes it harder for me to keep talking with him, i feel like the more he talking the more things get heated to the point our friend relationship isn't healthy anymore. He keep talking about the reason why war is happened but never cares about innocents people who get killed which makes me really mad. At that time it makes me really want to questioning him if he is really cold heart person or just don't cares about someone feelings. I feel like our closes relationship is just being friend, not real friend but just friend to play together. Honestly being ISTJ friend makes me really tired and frustrated as INFJ, it feels like we should not be friend at all. I can't even imagine having romantic relationship with an ISTJ, must be nightmare.
@@runninginthe90s75tak jest w istocie. Też jestem ISTJ, ale nie jestem narcyzem. Po prostu tak mamy, że jesteśmy oddaleni od uczyć i emocji. Poza tym jako osoba o unikowym stylu przywiązania staram się uczyć i rozumieć emocje. W ten sposób, że gdy coś się dzieje, wtedy staram się zatrzymać na moment, skupić i próbować nazwać co teraz czuję. Wiem, że to trochę mechaniczne, ale jak inaczej typ ISTJ ma się nauczyć emocji? My żyjemy w świecie faktów, schematów i zadań. Ale to nie znaczy, że w środku nie mamy emocji. Po prostu nie stawiamy ich na pierwszym miejscu🤷. Tak jak robią to typy N. Strona emocjonalną to domena typów N. Pozdrawiam.
Hi Mr Joseph if I ask you a question on Quora will you answer it? Where's your profile, you should probs link it in your video description for ease of reference. ISTJs are so particular about their homes and they always look polished. Props to them. My room's neat enough but I'll only clear up properly when I'm expecting guests. And then again I don't often invite guests because they're too loud. One guest at a time is much better.
hi chase, thank you so much for your content! i love it a lot and recently got into the seasons involving masculine and feminine roles. i am happy to know istjs are not narcissist, although i knew this would be your answer based on your overall system. types in and of themselves are not negative traits like depraved, corrupted, or murderous; it's the individual people operating whichever main type they were fitted into, like the soul of a machine. chase, i am a philosopher (ENFP or INFP specifically) and after absorbing a lot of your thoughts, i have a question how does an NFP overcome a porn addiction? it's much less of a problem than it used to be when i was a teenager, but now i'm 22 and i'd like to completely get away from the thing. the problem is that i think i've come to associate it with comfort, and it becomes tempting when i'm stressed out or feel that my environment is out of control, which makes me feel unsafe and uncomfortable. porn falsely restores that comfort for a time. do you have any practical or even abstract recommendations for Si Child / Si Inferior to break the built up habit of porn use? my hypothesis personally from all of your content that i've watched is that, due to my Si, I can simply apply my abundant self-discipline and outright replace porn with another habit. and since i am a philosopher, this habit should be reading non-fiction. so, when i become uncomfortable or feel like there's too much chaos, i can train my Si to read instead of porn. am i wrong for this idea, and if so, what would you recommend?
I’m an ISTJ and I’m a philosopher too :) and I would recommend watching the two videos on the channel “John Doyle” which talk about what porn does to you and how it controls you. I used to be addicted but I’ve since stopped after watching the two videos. I forget the exact titles of the videos but it is something along the lines of “stop watching porn” and “stop watching porn part 2”
Like to communicate it to ISTPs or about ISTPs being narcissistic? The quick version is that ISTJ can seem narcissistic, because they work very hard to have others think highly of them, and status is important to them, and they tend to be unaware of how other people are feeling or how they come off when speaking highly of themselves and their connections. If they have an alcohol or drug prob, good luck getting them to do anything other than what they feel like doing at the time, in a very childish way. ISTP actions can also be perceived as narcissism by, not giving a damn abt other ppl's timeliness or inconveniences and focusing in the "live and let live" fashion. By randomly asserting intellectual superiority over others. By showing their worry about the ignorance of others. Think about it this way: ISTJ- primary Si prioritizes comfort and has a keen memory of past experiences; child Fi cares about how They feel. (Both are inwardly focused.) Their other functions are meant to balance what would otherwise be out of control. ISTP- primary Ti prioritizes their own web of internal, true/false logic; child Ni is only concerned with their own personal path forward from moment to moment. (Both are inwardly focused.) Their other functions bring balance to, what looks like cool person, but sounds like an asshole.
Person:Is the ISTJ narcissist? ISTJ:Have you heard about the solar plexus chakra [autonomy, identity, kingdom, and self] it's in our bodies right? because I know you clods disregard and lacking awareness of other peoples energy with your superficial labels.
Lel. I was playing civilization 6 with an ISTJ who has more experience than me but I kicked his ass in our 4 games. He got angry and threw me a bunch of names, all of which I don't know where he got it from. He also spread misinformation like you need to convert all cities in the map to win religious victory or Gorgo lead the coalition after Leonidas died. Other ISTJs I know can't fathom the idea that a concept exist even though they haven't seen it. Maybe narcissistic is not the best word to describe them but I find their close mindedness very annoying.
@ CSJ How can we tell if a person is narcisist vs just being their type? Also I would like to see you do a lecture on the relationship bwt mental health and peronality type.
They are narcissists, covert narcissists!! Creepy individuals, they do not seek help and they need it terribly, their spouses do have to seek it though. Yeah, no thanks!!
I would like to mention that I definitely don't think ISTJs are narcissists. However I would argue that they do tend to be predominantly Machiavellian. I'm surprised not many people seem to talk about this specific part of the most common type. Especially considering how ISTJs use their popularity for cognitive bias as an excuse for their logical fallacies. Although the males do also tend to fit the description of machiavellianism much more than the females. I think society itself would be better off having this particular subject properly addressed. I'm an INTP trying to figure out a reliable way of communicating with xxTJ types because of how difficult it is to deal with them when I realistically shouldn't have to be dealing with them to begin with from my own prospective. I know most xxTJs don't have prospective, but surely they'd have to be a way to have them understand reality without having them makeour lives more difficult than they need to be or forcing them into a mental hellscape that would cause them to break down into a "retarded" state of mind. I say "retarded" as an officially diagnosed Aspie. I fail to see why the neurotypical person, which the ISTJ is considered the gold standard of, is the most socially acceptable types out of popularity alone. Meanwhile, with the increase in both Ne and Ti users, more and more people are being diagnosed with mental conditions they don't actually need to be medicated for. A lot of people are having their rights taken away simply because they think differently. 4 sides analytics has proven itself to be the most accurate way of understanding the human mind, but the government is still using the DSM-5 to regulate people largely on cognitive bias. It seems like ISTJs are so prejudice against anyone who thinks two differently from them that they don't bother to think twice before making everyone else's lives more difficult than they've ever had to be. My dad is the father of 3 xxTP types and with a mature ESFJ wife. He knows how to deal with my mom, but he completely ignores everyone else who clearly shown the same or similar traits. And it's net that he's incapable either. Because he's proven to be capable of both rational bull and reasonable understanding of the human mind and the many ways that people process information. I've had plenty of conversations with him where we pretty much agreed on the majority of sed conversations. So much so that I questioned if he might actually have just been an ENTP with my grandfather as an ISTJ being his greatest influence. They ignore facts because of how much is built to cater towards their common delusions of grandeur, and it's leaving everyone else to clean up every time they decide to take a bump. I know the founding father of the oil industry is largely responsible for what's essentially the mass production of early ISTJs is America, but I don't understand how even with the recognition of how bad the school system is, and even using China as an example because of their one child policy, somehow not even the ISTJs seem to recognize they are the problem, despite their constant acknowledgment of the problems with society it's inevitable self-destruction. They literally perpetuate their own predictions. They are even the ones bringing up concerns from throughout history, but consistently turn a blind eye in favor of cognitive bias. I'm surprised it's not the istjs who are being institutionalized themselves. If anyone would benefit from institutionalization, it seems to me that the ISTJ should be at the top of the list.
Jestem ISTJ. Podejrzewałem u siebie narcyzm ukryty, ale to nie to. Makiawelizm wyszedł u mnie na niskim poziomie. Nie manipuluję, nie oszukuję, nie uważam, że można iść po trupach do celu. Owszem ISTJ ma utrudniony dostęp do swoich emocji, ale raczej nie jesteśmy nikim z "mrocznej triady" (narcyzm, psychopatia, makiawelizm). Mi z dwóch testów wyszedł niski poziom makiawelizmu. Więc wydaje mi się, że Twoje przypuszczenia są błędne. Ale dopuszczam, że to ja mogę się mylić. Pozdrawiam z Polski🇵🇱👋.
@@sobeszczyn2251 🤔 Much like Fe doesn't necessarily mean narcism, I wouldn't say INTJs would necessarily be straight up narcissistic. As an INTP, which CS Joseph seemed confused by, I'm not exactly someone willing to use the covert contracting that comes with narcism, despite having fe in my primary stack of focus. Part of the reason why, for me, is being able to recognize the flaw in communication and proper exchange. We give without expecting anything in return because it's unrealistic, but we give anyway, because it helps us determine who we should be most trusting and considerate of. We can't spread ourselves thin keeping track of everyone, so we focus on people most likely to share our values. Which usually involves a spite for people who demand out of authority rather than actual reasoning. But it's also part of how we use our shadow to be more responsible. And by we... I do actually just mean me and a friend of mine. But I'd assume mature ISTJs would deal with machiavellianism pretty similarly.
INTJ to zazwyczaj osoby ze spektrum autyzmu. Zazwyczaj, nie zawsze🧐. Bo w spektrum autyzmu zawierają się też INTP, ISTJ, ISTP. Ale w mniejszym stopniu. Narcyz raczej nie będzie miał F, czyli czucia. Tak mi się wydaje. Mi też w niektórych testach wyszło INTJ/ISTP, lecz sporadycznie. To znaczy, że mam te aspekty. Ale przede wszystkim jestem ISTJ. I to mnie jednocześnie cieszy, uspokaja. Ale i czasem frustruje. Pocieszam się tym, że każdy z nas, każdy z typów MBTI ma swoje pozytywne i mroczne strony. Może to zabrzmi zabawnie, ale nieważne.....każdy Smerf miał swoje wady i zalety. Ale wszyscy czuli się potrzebni w wiosce Smerfów🤷. No, może poza smerfem Ważniakiem (który niestety jest typem ISTJ😡). Pozdrawiam.
@@sobeszczyn2251 "INTJs are typically people on the autism spectrum. Usually, not always🧐." It's a common misconception, but it's a fallacy. Acting like a type doesn't mean you are. Where an Autistic doesn't choose to be the way they are, an INTJ does. And the way they process information is actually in defect opposition. The crush is actually they simply can't be Autistic. "Because the autism spectrum also includes INTP, ISTJ, and ISTP. But to a lesser extent." ISTJs are actually the gold standard of what's considered neurotypical. Meaning they don't actually lean outside that box. Cognitive bias is the biggest reason for that, which they have the hardest difficulty overcoming than any other types. INTPs on the other hand are the gold standard of what's considered an Aspi and make up the majority of sensory processing disorders. ISTPs are the gold standard of what's considered schizoid personality disorder. And as an added info bonus, INFJs are the gold standard for what's considered Antisocial personality disorder. These are based on data analysis and consistency. Not taking diagnosis assumptions as fact, as anyone can easily be mislabeled. "A narcissist is unlikely to have an F, or feeling. I think so." It doesn't matter if there's an F or not. That's not how the system works. You just need Fe to be an optimistic cognitive function. The higher the optimistic Fe, the higher the narcissistic tendencies. Pessimistic Fe on the other hand is often confused as narcissistic due to covert contracting, but the intentions don't always align with narcism. "I also came up with INTJ/ISTP in some tests, but only sporadically." It's because you're using a different perspective from your mind between your conscious (ego), subconscious (insecurities), unconscious (responsibilities), and preconscious (the self). In MBTI, they're most commonly referred to as the Ego, Subconscious, Shadow, and Superego. "That means I have these aspects. But first and foremost, I am an ISTJ." Each of the 4 sides of the mind use the remaining "function" possibilities of other MBTI types. But only 25% of the types, not all. But since you seemed confused, you might've been mistyped. And if you've tested using the official MBTI test, it still has a 50-70% failure rate. You have to understand the cognitive systems and how they work. It might seem like a lot of work, but all you wonder is to understand your own system first before you try to understand the other 16 systems. "And it makes me happy and calms me down at the same time. But it's also frustrating sometimes." You're definitely an Ne user, but you're also severally new to the real MBTI system. Try to avoid any logical fallacies and challenge your every thought of MBTI. Otherwise you'll only be using false assumptions and come up with info that either wasn't explicitly stated, proven, or come from an actual reputable source. Please be weary of common misinformation. Most people making videos run on baseless and common assumptions, stereotypes, and logical fallacies. "I take comfort in the fact that each of us, each MBTI type, has its positive and dark sides." It may sound funny, but it doesn't matter...." I personally hold a dangerous fascination for the darkest realities of human nature, so I can understand. But it depends on which side of the mind people use. Because shadow focused types (because the shadow deals with responsibilities) actually avoid having to deal with the dark side of themselves. Maturity is the ability to implement the shadow into their daily lives. "each Smurf had its advantages and disadvantages. But everyone felt needed in the Smurf village🤷." It can be dangerous if people think they're good at something they're not or get their egos too hooded. Monitoring one's self is the key to success, but focusing on one's strengths alone. "The fools think they're smart, but the smart know themselves to be the fool" "Well, maybe apart from Ważniak the Smurf (who unfortunately is an ISTJ😡). Regards" It's great to read your enthusiasm, but I wouldn't go around typing people or going off common beliefs. Most people are wrong when it comes to typing. And if you don't actually understand the cognitive systems, you'll likely only contribute to misinformation. But I'll be happy to share my notes and sources to give you a learning boost. I've studied both the MBTI community and the 4 Sides Analytical Psychology that MBTI was based on for over 4 years now. But I've also managed to condense everything into 6 screenshots as well, making it easy to follow along with. But you'd still have to do your own part to be both understanding and challenge any misconceptions you may have. I've made a lot of mistakes trying to understand the system, and I'd like to keep you from making the same mistakes while maintaining your fascination.
I understand that one of the traits to identify a narcissist is the 3 C's: Charismatic Confident and Charming. So yeah no ISTJ is Charismatic or Charming. I think ENTJ are more prone to be narcissists. Besides a narcissist needs constant validation and to be praised, and ISTJ they just want to be left alone so they can get the job done.
Oh I guess I'm supposed to know what ISTJ means but I didn't study this new language in school. O well I am so behind the times thinking people should write in actual words. silly me. When is this new language going to be taught in grammer school? When it is so hard for you to take the time to write a whole word - then I have to go to google to look it up but I don't care so I'm out of here.
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I love ISTJs in academia who actually care about their pupils. They are some of the wisest people and are quick to verify opposing beliefs instead of completely ignoring them
Watch out, pervs in the closet!!
ISTJs don’t care about people.
They lack emotional intelligence for sure. I’ve often thought my ISTJ husband is narcissist. He doesn’t catch onto to relational cues. He’s mission first, things first, and then our family/kids/relationship seems to come last.
As an istj we are more prone to be Autistic rather than Narcissistic
I admire ISTJs for their dedication, be them young or old, they're always know how to take of themselves, to the point where they are the ones most free to help others whenever you ask them, and they are often proud of it.
@@barbararay1389 Calm down Fe Parent, there's no need for psychiatric etiquettes being involved 🙇♂️
ISTJs dislike HELPING OTHERS, lol.
@@waltertaboada9319 That's simply not true at least on my case. My ISTJ friend didn't cares about me at all, when he talks about his personal problem i listen to him and even give him some motivation without comparing him to others people, meanwhile when i talks to him about my personal issue it feels like talking with a wall, no matter how long i text or speak to him, he just doesn't care, he just read my messages or sometimes didn't even read it at all, it makes me really hates him for being such an as*h*le. I think it's true ISTJ is kind of narcissistic type which personality really hated by me as an INFJ, they want some attention from others but at the same times they don't cares what other feels.
@@honor9lite1337 I have ISTJ friend and its true.
@@honor9lite1337 Yeah my brother hates it but because he's older and within our own culture is the default person to go to. Im the youngest and Infp so you see where that goes. He doesnt understand how it sucks not to be trusted or wanted in helping but complains that people come to him.
My mom is an ISTJ (or an ESTJ. Hard to tell). She’s not narcissistic at all, but she’s definitely hypercritical, especially of me. She has these standards for herself, that she’s worked her whole life to get to, but she expects everyone else to fulfill them as well, including myself even when I was a kid. Which is wrong because everyone has different abilities and skills and experiences, and to hold everyone else to the standards of productivity and organization and decisiveness that she can afford to hold herself to, and then criticize us for not fulfilling them, is hurtful and doesn’t make sense. She doesn’t understand that our brains can work in different ways. Everything has to fit her standards.
(Not sure of my type but I have Fe/Ti)
Being critical shows a lack of empathy, could be narcissistic. Also, their need for control, also their way is right, grandeur!! Sounds like a narc to me!!😂😂😂 istjs suck!!
My Mom is the same way and I am ENFP... her exact opposite. Growing up with her was very challenging. When she continued criticizing my adult decisions and those of my husband and I, we had to discuss appropriate boundaries and expectations. She respects them, even if she doesn't like it.
No, why would they be? Not getting along with someone or not understanding them does not make them a narcissist.......
People tell me I am a narcissist for the reasons you have pointed out
ISTJs are pretty down to earth and modest. Fi child can make them come off as self absorbed sometimes but not narcissistic in any manner.
Why do they seem to not compliment on artistic expression
Self absorbed is abusive, especially if you are their spouse,or child.
Modesty is irrelevant. A narcissist is not always some charismatic, extroverted schmoozer - you can have a low profile, even a loud inner critic or low-self esteem and be a narcissist. Self-importance (including being self-absorbed) and lack of empathy are the only requisites for narcissism.
@Pie Tart Totally disagree with your opinion saying ISTJ are "pretty down to earth", i have ISTJ friend, in facts he is narcissistic person which i really hate.
@@runninginthe90s75 I know narcissistic ISTJs as well, they're extremely immature and full of themselves. and I know extremely modest ones as well. It's not fair to call the whole type a narcissist because of a few bad apples.
I'm an ISTJ and it genuinely feels a blessing and a curse at the same time.
I love ISTJs because they can be insanely honest and informative about the experience they are receiving from something, and I treasure that in a person.
@@barbararay1389 thanks I am an istj
@@barbararay1389 You just hate our personality, it's sad that some people love current music than historical music ,but i respect their opinion ,i am not a dictator , i am democracy fan ,but i like the intelligence of hitler and hans van seekt ,you just need to stay with someone like my personality ,it's true i have a plan on anything ,i wake up at 4:00 pm every day first thing i do it's sport ,cup of curcume tea and boal of oats in lunch legume and meat whole wheat bread ,i just wanna stay healthy so i don't eat bad things like (sugar or white bread ...),finally i am an student of law and politics so again I love democracy .thanks...
@@barbararay1389yes I have same routines every day I like this way of life, Istj's aren't dictators or close minded, they just know alot of information we listen to people who are better than us but not to stupid people, I live alone by the way but when I was in my parents house I was fighting every day with my sister she's intp (no time or privasy respect irresponsible...), hope I answered all your questions.
My experience with an ISTJ was not good. He was a one way street, all he'd talk about what he ate, drank, his workout what he did at work; it's like he was rambling off a list of what he did that day. He never bothered to ask about me and once he was done talking about himself he'd say okay well I need to go...It was by far one of the most off balance relationships I've ever been a part of. He was so selfish in every aspect. He wouldn't take no in the bedroom, he'd beg and beg and beg to the point where I'd give in just so I could get it over with. I'd initiate sex and he'd just flat out say NO. He was an undercover narcissist for sure, I just don't think he's fully aware of it yet. I finally gave up after several, several, several attempts to get him to see how selfish he was being.
Same! Covert! 100 percent!
ISTJs wouldn't be that averse to people initiating sex with them since Si-Ne axis
All what is your type?
@@talchamarquez4829 personality typing has nothing to do with actual personality disorders omg
@@sweetieluv7919 If you’re going to be ignorant then don’t reply at all it’s not welcomed I am merely going off my own personal experience and happening and seeing if there’s a correlation with some thing I’m a seeker of information not a knowing of all so I wouldn’t claim anything that you wouldn’t know. Your opinions are not facts and neither are mine they are that, Merely and just opinions and correlations with one another so you can keep your nonsensical attitudes to yourself thank you
They’re low on agreeableness and openness so there is the probability
Isfp growing up with very unhealthy istj mother. I was oppressed. Her need for 'zen' and comfort in the house equated to very personal attacks against me and everyone else for changing bin liners with a bag size she didn't like. Totally unable to deal with reality when it doesn't comfort her.
"No". Well that was a short video. Not even 1 second in and we answered the question!
@@barbararay1389 Sounds like something bad happened, would you like to talk about it?
@@barbararay1389 Lmao, you're funny. If you still need that shoulder, you know where to find me, friend.
This stereotype is funny to me cause the ISTJs I know are the kind of people that would hear you say you want to something and they would silently get it for you, no questions asked or anything like that. However I do understand why their demeanor could give off those vibes
They only want to appear as a pillar in the community, they are very much covert narcissists or can be. Low eq, lacking empathy, control freaks, need to feel superior, vengeful..yes, istjs are insecure covert narcissists!!
@@barbararay1389 (INTJ)Well guess that's my dad
@@barbararay1389 sounds like you are projecting based on your own experience
Istjs doesn't care about your need.
Istj's are also likely to be enneagram 6, which means they're driven by fear of themselves. Seems like the exact opposite.
I’m an enneagramm 6 and an istj so it makes sense
True
ISTJ to w enneagramie 5 i 1.
My ISTJ dad got diagnosed a while ago 😬😬😬 he certainly has all of the bad traits of an ISTJ. Narcs aren't born, they're made, and ik my dad grew up in a house where he felt unwanted sometimes and definitely had to look out for his own comfort because no one else would. Just like what you said. Thanks for the video Chase, I have more to work with in understanding my dad.
Wow my ex-husband is an ISTJ and he never wanted me to have company unless they were super close relatives, and even then he wasn’t a fan of children or pets coming along. And him asking “How do you know that” or “Where did you get that from” was always soooo annoying. I got it from my brain.
Yes, narcissists for sure! Low empathy, control freaks, need to be right, yeah! Idiots, not attractive because they exude hate and well, they are just not! Dark tortuous souls willing to pass on all hate collected! Ughhhhh!!😂😂😂
barbara ray OMG, “they exude hate”’. Yes!! Do they enjoy walking around so angry at the world??
I'm guilty for this. Especially the kids part.
I think an ISTJ major sins are Pride and Wrath.
I'd like to go out on a limb and say, if you have a personality type, you do not have NPD. It's a personality disorder.
Fi child can be very entiled though so they may actually come off narcessistic if Te parent is not developed enough.
From afar no, once in a relationship, they'd be more unbearable than INFPs. And to me self absorption is narcissistic.
Ps my mom (ISTJs) always says that she can't wait until I go back to university because "I make a mess" at home 😕
Self importance = narcissism. If you are one, you can't spot one.
They aren't narcissistic but they are wilfully ignorant.
@pithopratka I wrote this because I had intimate and generally close personal relationships with ISTJs. I have a lot of ISTJ friends of both sexes. My mother's type is also an ISTJ.
Even though I am generalizing here, the vast majority certainly are wilfully ignorant. I know it from experience. They refuse to believe anything that will make them unconfortable so they bury their heads in the sand. Cowards.
@pithopratka yes, I make the mistake of not criticising them more actually and being soft on them for being lazy too.
Family member, there's no plural.
@pithopratka You can be a butthurt ISTJ or actually come to the conclusion that I might be right and that you guys have a lot to work on.
Being lazy in general, playing it safe (to the point of cowardice), appealing to autority (intellectual laziness) and hiding behind what you believe to be true, not actually seeking the truth.
@pithopratka just because I criticise someone that doesn't mean my feelings towards them are purely of contempt. Actually, the ISTJs I like the most I have criticised the most. Maybe that's why they stayed my friends.
I didn't say only ISTJs have issues, but the issues they do have I have mentioned since I'm quite familiar with their type. There are ISTJs that I've criticised and they may hate me today, but they are better people for it.
My main beef with them is the thing I described before, they're too comfy and too lazy to change their bad behavior and are the first ones to run away from the truth, especially about themselves, that's why you don't need to be nice to them, quite the opposite is what usually gets to them.
@@thekiwisqu33z34 Thank you.
Where is the kitten? She is a comforting addition to the discussion.
My bestie is an istj and is the same way. I'm sharing a home with her and she won't allow anybody over our house😅 I found it odd the first time I moved in but later understand and got used to it. my friends think I'm weird but it's not my rule, it's really hers. So funny you said that about the energy stuff
Any Mental or Personality Disorders can exist on any of The 16 Personality Types
I’ve been called narcissist a lot of times and I’m an istj, this video explains a lot
When this notification popped up, out loud I said "hey!" And then I watched it and was like, oh...yeah😂
So relevant that I liked this video before it even started
Hahaha 😁
@@queenofeagles 😂😂😂
I've heard every personality can be narcissistic just depends on the person.
I love my socially awkward sometimes weird Istj I loveee the weirds and sometimes he is mean which I need I’m an estp and I can be bad he keeps me just right but he’s rude and weird 👿
As an INFP ,i think Infps can be covert narcissists ,what do u say chase?
I am also an INFP, and I do have a soft spot for "beauty", and I find every person that is smart and can teach me something new, really atractive ^^!
I have seen it more in enfps than infps. Although I’m not an expert on mbti, I’ve observed that infps seem to feel more deeply and if repressed too long can manifest into unhealthy behaviors.
Maybe as an unhealthy infp and I have struggled with covert behaviors but I see them once they were pointed out.. they come out in many ways but once your honest with your behavior they the narc behaviors start recognizing themselves .. it sucks at first but it’s worth it .. if that made sense
@@squirtlent i know what you mean man,i have struggled too and struggling a bit now too,but i am a lot better than before value truth and have a better understanding of whats important
@@squirtlent yes totally makes sense :) We all have defense mechanisms we use, we are also social creatures so the energy and environment we are in will also influence/infect our behaviors. People who are with the npd disorder (not to be confused with having some narcissistic defense mechanisms which most humans do under certain circumstances) don't self reflect, dont see themselves as do, and live in a constant state of denial. The fact that you are able to reflect, acknowledge, and address unhealthy behaviors, tells me that you are not a covert narcissist.
What I don't get is why would you think something if you didn't think it was right?
I have an extremely interesting theory (potentially)
I recently got out of a two years relationship with an INFJ, a covert passive-aggressive narcissist. I went through terrible emotional abuse, masked by the master of kindness. Assuming he was correctly typed as an INFJ, and I believe he was (but in a way was always a mystery to me). Does it make sense that his narcissistic traits were actually his superego - ISTJ(!!) that somewhere a long the way "took over" his ego pathologically? This would make so much sense and would be so fascinating.
I wonder what personality type is most likely to assume everyone with a different personality type can be classified as having personality disorder such as narcissism? 💁🏻♀️
My type maybe? I'm an ISTP
An Xntp
All of MBTI types, as INFJ i can say ISTJ is one of the worst personality ever exists !!
I have ISTJ friend. I can get along with him when we play games together but as INFJ his words tends to makes me mad when we talks about morality, that because he never understand what people feels and when it comes to talking about some sensitive things like war, he makes it harder for me to keep talking with him, i feel like the more he talking the more things get heated to the point our friend relationship isn't healthy anymore. He keep talking about the reason why war is happened but never cares about innocents people who get killed which makes me really mad.
At that time it makes me really want to questioning him if he is really cold heart person or just don't cares about someone feelings. I feel like our closes relationship is just being friend, not real friend but just friend to play together. Honestly being ISTJ friend makes me really tired and frustrated as INFJ, it feels like we should not be friend at all.
I am an ENFP married to an ISTJ for 26 years. Although I think any type can become a narcissist given the right circumstances; my husband is not a narcissist, but it could come across that way at times. I genuinely asked him if he had feelings and he just chose not to answer. Haha.
I am an infp ,enfp when I’m in the mood? My first Myers-Briggs test I was an ENFP and then there the next one I NFP and then the next one I NFP and continuously I NFP, oh my ex the narcissist I mean the real malignant top of the highest malignancy you could possibly PE which I would consider a psychopath was supposed to be an ISTJ I’m pretty sure if your husband was a narcissist you would know by now after 26 years. Who knows if my ex was a ISTJ? narcissist should have their own sub category it would be CLCW, which stands for compulsive liar cheating whore pardon my French
As a fellow ENFP I find any xSTJ furiating. Wether narc or not they have guaranteed an inflated ego, and they DEMAND respect, that's the point I could puke in their face. Bonus, they are 0% fun. Maybe a female see this differently, but I would be a masochistic to marry one of them.
@@ErikAdalbertvanNagelI'm also ENFP and my Mom was ISTJ. She was not a fun person to be around. There was a lot of negativity and criticism of my body, my approach to things, my ideas, my interests and my personal space.
My one friend is ESTJ and she is NOTHING like my Mom. She and I get along so well. Sure, we have a different approach to things, but she is never mean or critical and she appreciates my differences. Do I do things that get under her skin sometimes? Sure. That's just relationships. She does things that get under my skin, too. But, we have a mutual respect for one another and our unique personalities are appreciated and admired. She even admires my ability to excel at administration and organizational skills when I'm in a work environment and am leaning into my Te.
There is a huge difference between the hyper critical, unhealthy ISTJ and a healthy ESTJ.
I have another ISTJ in my life and we clash constantly, too. There is just always an underlying tension, because she thinks everyone should do it her way and she gets offended and frustrated if they don't.
I recognize that everyone views life differently and have the right to approach it their own way.
The ISTJs in my life don't seem to understand or respect that.
So why don’t they have gratitude?
The best teachers ive ever met are istjs and istps
Thank you.-istj
Probably one of the least narcissistic of all the types - Someone who generally doesn't like ISTJs
Wrong, control freaks with low empathy, need to feel superior because they are not!!😂😂😂
@@barbararay1389 Well first of all, low empathy is not a strong indication of narcissism. And everyone has superiority complexes in multiple forms, so from what I can tell; you're basing your opinion through a narrow lens.
@@Zactastical unwillingness to use ones empathy, trait of narcissistic behavior. Do you read? They care about material gain, not folk. Need or hunger to control. Um, so yeah, very insecure, covert, vulnerable narcs!
@@barbararay1389 It's not an unwillingness, it's an incapability. They care deeply about others. Everyone has some form of desire for control, nor do I think it's applicable to narcissism - and same goes for being vulnerable or covertness.
I will say they can be narcissistic when it comes to their sense of loyalty and their ability to reason, but I do not think it is to a degree that most other types posses.
Isn't everyone a narcissist? Just like how everyone has anxiety but some have it more to the point it becomes a disorder. If someone had zero narcissistic traits they wouldn't be human. When you label someone a narcissist, that in itself is a narcissistic trait.
@@barbararay1389 😆 Fair enough :)
Yeah, I think everyone has some narcissistic traits. It’s really easy to look at everyone else and call them narcissists but it’s really hard for someone to reflect on themselves and try to solve their own problems. Or be tolerant of someone else’s weaknesses.
I don’t think it’s fair to judge ISTJs as being narcissistic based on their personality type. I’m sure many of them are because narcissism is an epidemic and it’s everywhere, but it has nothing to do with their personality type. The same goes for ESTJs.
@@austin5690 ESTJs are diffrerrent.
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My ISTJ brother ofen asks me my "opinion" but in reality is just trying to validate what he thinks is right. For example after having a tirade about rap music. Don't you think rap music is the worst type of music ever and that country is the best? We know he's not looking for an answer contrary to his own opinion and often gets offended when i do.
or he'll often ask me repeatedly what do I want, for instance food. Knowing how picky he is i'll say doesnt matter you choose. then he'll just keep coming back at me to choose and if I learned that If i dont default to his pass aggressive wishes he'll get bitchy and critical which frustrates me because I already said it didnt matter to me and that we could go with his.
I wouldnt consider any of that narcissitic though maybe just self absorbed. He's a very my way or the highway kinda guy and doesnt like when others have authority over him because everyone else is stupid or incapable. He's very aware of people's needs though and very attentive but not on an emotional level. So focused on the cure they forget the patient kinda situation.
They definitely can be. Especially in relation to INTP
YES!!!!!! COVERT NARCISSISTS!
“Mood and comfort” seem like narcissistic priorities to have though. Lol
Keeping your cat fed and being an ISTJ I was compelled to comply and like and subscribe
I'm an INFJ in a relationship with an ISTJ for going on 2 years. I love how he's so different from me but it also comes with challenges, particularly in our communication styles. I would really be interested to know your thoughts about ways we could maybe meet in the middle in order to avoid as much miscommunication as possible.
Run! Lol. I’m INFJ and I thought our differences made me better the first 3 or 4 yrs but 16 yrs in, I’m out! The communication only gets worse. If you have kids, they’re mission oriented, not relationship oriented so they’ll prioritize mowing the lawn and “doing things” rather than something with the kids. They are black and white thinkers which makes the grey area of relationships tough for them. Plus so rigid. And their OCD tendencies are difficult with kids around. I was so burned out from having a baby and he couldn’t catch on what to do. I’ve known other ISTJ parents like this. Comes off as cold. Best of luck tho 😬 I did learn how to be more assertive from him but we’re on two different planets.
All of MBTI types, as INFJ i can say ISTJ is one of the worst personality ever exists !!
I have ISTJ friend. I can get along with him when we play games together but as INFJ his words tends to makes me mad when we talks about morality, that because he never understand what people feels and when it comes to talking about some sensitive things like war, he makes it harder for me to keep talking with him, i feel like the more he talking the more things get heated to the point our friend relationship isn't healthy anymore. He keep talking about the reason why war is happened but never cares about innocents people who get killed which makes me really mad.
At that time it makes me really want to questioning him if he is really cold heart person or just don't cares about someone feelings. I feel like our closes relationship is just being friend, not real friend but just friend to play together. Honestly being ISTJ friend makes me really tired and frustrated as INFJ, it feels like we should not be friend at all.
I can't even imagine having romantic relationship with an ISTJ, must be nightmare.
@@runninginthe90s75tak jest w istocie. Też jestem ISTJ, ale nie jestem narcyzem. Po prostu tak mamy, że jesteśmy oddaleni od uczyć i emocji. Poza tym jako osoba o unikowym stylu przywiązania staram się uczyć i rozumieć emocje. W ten sposób, że gdy coś się dzieje, wtedy staram się zatrzymać na moment, skupić i próbować nazwać co teraz czuję. Wiem, że to trochę mechaniczne, ale jak inaczej typ ISTJ ma się nauczyć emocji? My żyjemy w świecie faktów, schematów i zadań. Ale to nie znaczy, że w środku nie mamy emocji. Po prostu nie stawiamy ich na pierwszym miejscu🤷. Tak jak robią to typy N. Strona emocjonalną to domena typów N. Pozdrawiam.
@@sobeszczyn2251if you are avoidant then you have unresolved trauma. You aren’t An ISTJ. You are traumatized.
Hi Mr Joseph if I ask you a question on Quora will you answer it? Where's your profile, you should probs link it in your video description for ease of reference.
ISTJs are so particular about their homes and they always look polished. Props to them. My room's neat enough but I'll only clear up properly when I'm expecting guests.
And then again I don't often invite guests because they're too loud. One guest at a time is much better.
Istjs are boring robotic dark triad freaks!!
Damn stalker lmaooooo
hi chase, thank you so much for your content! i love it a lot and recently got into the seasons involving masculine and feminine roles. i am happy to know istjs are not narcissist, although i knew this would be your answer based on your overall system. types in and of themselves are not negative traits like depraved, corrupted, or murderous; it's the individual people operating whichever main type they were fitted into, like the soul of a machine.
chase, i am a philosopher (ENFP or INFP specifically) and after absorbing a lot of your thoughts, i have a question
how does an NFP overcome a porn addiction? it's much less of a problem than it used to be when i was a teenager, but now i'm 22 and i'd like to completely get away from the thing. the problem is that i think i've come to associate it with comfort, and it becomes tempting when i'm stressed out or feel that my environment is out of control, which makes me feel unsafe and uncomfortable. porn falsely restores that comfort for a time.
do you have any practical or even abstract recommendations for Si Child / Si Inferior to break the built up habit of porn use? my hypothesis personally from all of your content that i've watched is that, due to my Si, I can simply apply my abundant self-discipline and outright replace porn with another habit. and since i am a philosopher, this habit should be reading non-fiction. so, when i become uncomfortable or feel like there's too much chaos, i can train my Si to read instead of porn. am i wrong for this idea, and if so, what would you recommend?
Read “The Rational Male” immediately and free yourself
thank you chase! i will read it asap since i'm on summer break from college, and will follow up with you as soon as i'm done!
I’m an ISTJ and I’m a philosopher too :) and I would recommend watching the two videos on the channel “John Doyle” which talk about what porn does to you and how it controls you. I used to be addicted but I’ve since stopped after watching the two videos. I forget the exact titles of the videos but it is something along the lines of “stop watching porn” and “stop watching porn part 2”
Thank you universe,
Thank you God,
Thank you C S Joseph
Thank you.
What is the quick version of this for ISTP’s?
Like to communicate it to ISTPs or about ISTPs being narcissistic? The quick version is that ISTJ can seem narcissistic, because they work very hard to have others think highly of them, and status is important to them, and they tend to be unaware of how other people are feeling or how they come off when speaking highly of themselves and their connections. If they have an alcohol or drug prob, good luck getting them to do anything other than what they feel like doing at the time, in a very childish way.
ISTP actions can also be perceived as narcissism by, not giving a damn abt other ppl's timeliness or inconveniences and focusing in the "live and let live" fashion. By randomly asserting intellectual superiority over others. By showing their worry about the ignorance of others.
Think about it this way: ISTJ- primary Si prioritizes comfort and has a keen memory of past experiences; child Fi cares about how They feel. (Both are inwardly focused.) Their other functions are meant to balance what would otherwise be out of control.
ISTP- primary Ti prioritizes their own web of internal, true/false logic; child Ni is only concerned with their own personal path forward from moment to moment. (Both are inwardly focused.) Their other functions bring balance to, what looks like cool person, but sounds like an asshole.
Person:Is the ISTJ narcissist?
ISTJ:Have you heard about the solar plexus chakra [autonomy, identity, kingdom, and self] it's in our bodies right? because I know you clods disregard and lacking awareness of other peoples energy with your superficial labels.
Lel. I was playing civilization 6 with an ISTJ who has more experience than me but I kicked his ass in our 4 games. He got angry and threw me a bunch of names, all of which I don't know where he got it from. He also spread misinformation like you need to convert all cities in the map to win religious victory or Gorgo lead the coalition after Leonidas died. Other ISTJs I know can't fathom the idea that a concept exist even though they haven't seen it. Maybe narcissistic is not the best word to describe them but I find their close mindedness very annoying.
You are absolutely right same with ESTJS.They think that there is the right way and that people cannot come with new methods.
I love civilization 6! -ISTJ
Been revisiting the comment section. Barbara ray definitively has a problem xD
Yeah, I suspect they’re just trolling people, but still...
Are they moody?
@ CSJ How can we tell if a person is narcisist vs just being their type?
Also I would like to see you do a lecture on the relationship bwt mental health and peronality type.
Istjs are covert narcs! They shit on the people who live with them, covert freaks with possible secret lives!!!
Estjs are overt narcissists and they do not give a crap who they shit on!!!
Entp, they shit on anyone and anything!!😂😂😂
Esfps can be caring,but they have to be in the spotlight, so they would push you under a train for shining!!😂😂😂 narc moments going on!!
The istj I know definitely would have thought a narcissist, thanks for clearing that up, but cannot be around an istj persons for too long
They are narcissists, covert narcissists!! Creepy individuals, they do not seek help and they need it terribly, their spouses do have to seek it though. Yeah, no thanks!!
@@barbararay1389 😭😭😭 they are creepy
Me either
I would like to mention that I definitely don't think ISTJs are narcissists. However I would argue that they do tend to be predominantly Machiavellian. I'm surprised not many people seem to talk about this specific part of the most common type. Especially considering how ISTJs use their popularity for cognitive bias as an excuse for their logical fallacies. Although the males do also tend to fit the description of machiavellianism much more than the females. I think society itself would be better off having this particular subject properly addressed.
I'm an INTP trying to figure out a reliable way of communicating with xxTJ types because of how difficult it is to deal with them when I realistically shouldn't have to be dealing with them to begin with from my own prospective. I know most xxTJs don't have prospective, but surely they'd have to be a way to have them understand reality without having them makeour lives more difficult than they need to be or forcing them into a mental hellscape that would cause them to break down into a "retarded" state of mind. I say "retarded" as an officially diagnosed Aspie.
I fail to see why the neurotypical person, which the ISTJ is considered the gold standard of, is the most socially acceptable types out of popularity alone. Meanwhile, with the increase in both Ne and Ti users, more and more people are being diagnosed with mental conditions they don't actually need to be medicated for. A lot of people are having their rights taken away simply because they think differently. 4 sides analytics has proven itself to be the most accurate way of understanding the human mind, but the government is still using the DSM-5 to regulate people largely on cognitive bias. It seems like ISTJs are so prejudice against anyone who thinks two differently from them that they don't bother to think twice before making everyone else's lives more difficult than they've ever had to be. My dad is the father of 3 xxTP types and with a mature ESFJ wife. He knows how to deal with my mom, but he completely ignores everyone else who clearly shown the same or similar traits. And it's net that he's incapable either. Because he's proven to be capable of both rational bull and reasonable understanding of the human mind and the many ways that people process information. I've had plenty of conversations with him where we pretty much agreed on the majority of sed conversations. So much so that I questioned if he might actually have just been an ENTP with my grandfather as an ISTJ being his greatest influence.
They ignore facts because of how much is built to cater towards their common delusions of grandeur, and it's leaving everyone else to clean up every time they decide to take a bump. I know the founding father of the oil industry is largely responsible for what's essentially the mass production of early ISTJs is America, but I don't understand how even with the recognition of how bad the school system is, and even using China as an example because of their one child policy, somehow not even the ISTJs seem to recognize they are the problem, despite their constant acknowledgment of the problems with society it's inevitable self-destruction. They literally perpetuate their own predictions. They are even the ones bringing up concerns from throughout history, but consistently turn a blind eye in favor of cognitive bias. I'm surprised it's not the istjs who are being institutionalized themselves. If anyone would benefit from institutionalization, it seems to me that the ISTJ should be at the top of the list.
Jestem ISTJ. Podejrzewałem u siebie narcyzm ukryty, ale to nie to. Makiawelizm wyszedł u mnie na niskim poziomie. Nie manipuluję, nie oszukuję, nie uważam, że można iść po trupach do celu. Owszem ISTJ ma utrudniony dostęp do swoich emocji, ale raczej nie jesteśmy nikim z "mrocznej triady" (narcyzm, psychopatia, makiawelizm). Mi z dwóch testów wyszedł niski poziom makiawelizmu. Więc wydaje mi się, że Twoje przypuszczenia są błędne. Ale dopuszczam, że to ja mogę się mylić. Pozdrawiam z Polski🇵🇱👋.
@@sobeszczyn2251 🤔 Much like Fe doesn't necessarily mean narcism, I wouldn't say INTJs would necessarily be straight up narcissistic. As an INTP, which CS Joseph seemed confused by, I'm not exactly someone willing to use the covert contracting that comes with narcism, despite having fe in my primary stack of focus. Part of the reason why, for me, is being able to recognize the flaw in communication and proper exchange. We give without expecting anything in return because it's unrealistic, but we give anyway, because it helps us determine who we should be most trusting and considerate of. We can't spread ourselves thin keeping track of everyone, so we focus on people most likely to share our values. Which usually involves a spite for people who demand out of authority rather than actual reasoning. But it's also part of how we use our shadow to be more responsible.
And by we... I do actually just mean me and a friend of mine.
But I'd assume mature ISTJs would deal with machiavellianism pretty similarly.
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INTJ to zazwyczaj osoby ze spektrum autyzmu. Zazwyczaj, nie zawsze🧐. Bo w spektrum autyzmu zawierają się też INTP, ISTJ, ISTP. Ale w mniejszym stopniu. Narcyz raczej nie będzie miał F, czyli czucia. Tak mi się wydaje. Mi też w niektórych testach wyszło INTJ/ISTP, lecz sporadycznie. To znaczy, że mam te aspekty. Ale przede wszystkim jestem ISTJ. I to mnie jednocześnie cieszy, uspokaja. Ale i czasem frustruje. Pocieszam się tym, że każdy z nas, każdy z typów MBTI ma swoje pozytywne i mroczne strony. Może to zabrzmi zabawnie, ale nieważne.....każdy Smerf miał swoje wady i zalety. Ale wszyscy czuli się potrzebni w wiosce Smerfów🤷. No, może poza smerfem Ważniakiem (który niestety jest typem ISTJ😡). Pozdrawiam.
@@sobeszczyn2251 "INTJs are typically people on the autism spectrum. Usually, not always🧐."
It's a common misconception, but it's a fallacy. Acting like a type doesn't mean you are. Where an Autistic doesn't choose to be the way they are, an INTJ does. And the way they process information is actually in defect opposition. The crush is actually they simply can't be Autistic.
"Because the autism spectrum also includes INTP, ISTJ, and ISTP. But to a lesser extent."
ISTJs are actually the gold standard of what's considered neurotypical. Meaning they don't actually lean outside that box. Cognitive bias is the biggest reason for that, which they have the hardest difficulty overcoming than any other types. INTPs on the other hand are the gold standard of what's considered an Aspi and make up the majority of sensory processing disorders. ISTPs are the gold standard of what's considered schizoid personality disorder. And as an added info bonus, INFJs are the gold standard for what's considered Antisocial personality disorder. These are based on data analysis and consistency. Not taking diagnosis assumptions as fact, as anyone can easily be mislabeled.
"A narcissist is unlikely to have an F, or feeling. I think so."
It doesn't matter if there's an F or not. That's not how the system works. You just need Fe to be an optimistic cognitive function. The higher the optimistic Fe, the higher the narcissistic tendencies. Pessimistic Fe on the other hand is often confused as narcissistic due to covert contracting, but the intentions don't always align with narcism.
"I also came up with INTJ/ISTP in some tests, but only sporadically."
It's because you're using a different perspective from your mind between your conscious (ego), subconscious (insecurities), unconscious (responsibilities), and preconscious (the self). In MBTI, they're most commonly referred to as the Ego, Subconscious, Shadow, and Superego.
"That means I have these aspects. But first and foremost, I am an ISTJ."
Each of the 4 sides of the mind use the remaining "function" possibilities of other MBTI types. But only 25% of the types, not all. But since you seemed confused, you might've been mistyped. And if you've tested using the official MBTI test, it still has a 50-70% failure rate. You have to understand the cognitive systems and how they work. It might seem like a lot of work, but all you wonder is to understand your own system first before you try to understand the other 16 systems.
"And it makes me happy and calms me down at the same time. But it's also frustrating sometimes."
You're definitely an Ne user, but you're also severally new to the real MBTI system. Try to avoid any logical fallacies and challenge your every thought of MBTI. Otherwise you'll only be using false assumptions and come up with info that either wasn't explicitly stated, proven, or come from an actual reputable source. Please be weary of common misinformation. Most people making videos run on baseless and common assumptions, stereotypes, and logical fallacies.
"I take comfort in the fact that each of us, each MBTI type, has its positive and dark sides." It may sound funny, but it doesn't matter...."
I personally hold a dangerous fascination for the darkest realities of human nature, so I can understand. But it depends on which side of the mind people use. Because shadow focused types (because the shadow deals with responsibilities) actually avoid having to deal with the dark side of themselves. Maturity is the ability to implement the shadow into their daily lives.
"each Smurf had its advantages and disadvantages. But everyone felt needed in the Smurf village🤷."
It can be dangerous if people think they're good at something they're not or get their egos too hooded. Monitoring one's self is the key to success, but focusing on one's strengths alone. "The fools think they're smart, but the smart know themselves to be the fool"
"Well, maybe apart from Ważniak the Smurf (who unfortunately is an ISTJ😡). Regards"
It's great to read your enthusiasm, but I wouldn't go around typing people or going off common beliefs. Most people are wrong when it comes to typing. And if you don't actually understand the cognitive systems, you'll likely only contribute to misinformation. But I'll be happy to share my notes and sources to give you a learning boost.
I've studied both the MBTI community and the 4 Sides Analytical Psychology that MBTI was based on for over 4 years now. But I've also managed to condense everything into 6 screenshots as well, making it easy to follow along with. But you'd still have to do your own part to be both understanding and challenge any misconceptions you may have. I've made a lot of mistakes trying to understand the system, and I'd like to keep you from making the same mistakes while maintaining your fascination.
Very controlling, very sneaky, change stackers, tightwades, uptight, grinch
I understand that one of the traits to identify a narcissist is the 3 C's: Charismatic Confident and Charming. So yeah no ISTJ is Charismatic or Charming. I think ENTJ are more prone to be narcissists. Besides a narcissist needs constant validation and to be praised, and ISTJ they just want to be left alone so they can get the job done.
3 c's, controlling, creepy, callous!!
You should know that's not true.... Self-importance and lack of empathy are the only requisites for narcissism.
Is the responds channel dead then?
Being repurposed
Entps appear this way but they usually aren't it's more often a show to amuse themselves. I think milo was the last one I saw making that claim.
Could you make a vid on what personality types make for the best romantic relationships and what type are the easiest to get in a relationship with
I’m an estp my Istj better not me a narcissist 😆 or I’ll be one too 😆
I would like to see a video about narcissists and types, because high Fi types tend to be naturally egoistic
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umm... how about estj’s make better narcissists? 🤣
I have always this about istj
Jill of all trades, master of none ;-)
aka, I know everything, but I master nothing
😂🤣😂🤣
So we (ISTJ) suck at adapting haha
Covert insecure narcissists! Jealous, controlling, lack of empathy, kinda pervs!!😂😂😂
@@barbararay1389 stay mad
@@barbararay1389 no cuz what does being an istj have to do with being a perv 😐
@@sweetieluv7919 my Istj is creepy but I luv him 🤣🤣
Your microphone is peaking out and distorting in this video.
I’ll fix if
😯hey there the first floor?
Oh I guess I'm supposed to know what ISTJ means but I didn't study this new language in school. O well I am so behind the times thinking people should write in actual words. silly me. When is this new language going to be taught in grammer school? When it is so hard for you to take the time to write a whole word - then I have to go to google to look it up but I don't care so I'm out of here.
Yet care enough to write the entire comment.
Shut up Kate 🙄
ISTJ = Introverted-Sensing-Thinking-Judging. I'm sure that made a lot more sense, Kate.
Go back to school then, maybe they'll teach you how to use Google