Caller Knows Matt & Eric Believe in God | John - Florida | Talk Heathen 02.39
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- Talk Heathen 02.39 for September 30, 2018 with Eric Murphy & Matt Dillahunty.
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My dog has never committed murder or hurt anyone.
When I give him food, he never tries to eat me.
There is only one possible explanation.
He secretly believes in Jesus.
@tedgrant2 Hi Ted.
You're with your dog part of the time. MAYBE we can trust you if you vouch for him.
But while you're at work, asleep, etc you can't vouch for him.
You may be just accepting his word for it that, while you're at work, he murdered zero ... people? dogs? what counts as "any _one_ for a dog.
While you're feeding him, he's got food. He has no need to eat you. A better test would be not feeding him to a week or two.
But yeah, he prolly secretly believes in doG..
@@brucebaker810
Chuckle.
Actually, Bruce, I never leave him.
He's alus w'me.
@@tedgrant2 So you are _each other's_ alibi? That's, um...convenient.
@@brucebaker810 Seems pretty sus, eh?
@@thegrouchization Ted and I joke around. If he and his dog back each other up, I say we look elsewhere.
But if we don't find any other good leads, we come back. And sweat the dog. We use dog psychology. Like...is he a pointer or retriever? We can work with that.
The tail's a tell. We play good dog, bad dog. And things of that nature.
“Do you have any sources outside the bible?” “Yes” “What are they?” “Everything is in the bible” oh man that was priceless
Or he could have consulted his mind/brain which is outside his body.
+songs with cam:
We aren't dealing with the top of the line, best of the class type of people here.
Genius
Bible, look up what bible, biblios means. Oh the irony.
hint, it means a collection of bookS.
bibliography....
I thought I had a mind/brain but Matt says thoughts don't exist so I am not thinking these words
@@stupidtreehugger :
"I thought I had a mind/brain but Matt says thoughts don't exist so I am not thinking these words"
==Thoughts don't exist and yet they exist, if you know what I mean.
Thoughts aren't made of atoms/molecules. They are represented by atoms/molecules.
The same goes for Windows XP, other software, ideas, languages, stories. These are non physical things that can be represented with atoms.
John is a rare find, makes a fool of himself like we all do, yet has the heart to admit it once he realizes it rather than doubling down. 👏 Lets fucking go John
Exactly what I wanted to comment here too 😊
felt this way, too. I enjoyed this call. Kudos to the caller. and Matt is amazing, even if he comes off as abrasive at times.
Did your mother teach you to use obscenities' to express yourself ?
Correction. He made no fool of himself. He openly and honestly questioned and listened. John did not make a fool of himself, he proved his intellectual honesty. That's all
@Sun of York No, but I did however learn to use certain obscenities on self-righteous pricks such as yourself when they bring up my mother.
Matt is so mentally strong, that he will even disagree with Eric. He doesn't give two hoots haha.
You think disagreeing with your partner in a debate is shocking?
@@hawkeye48 I never said that.
@@kierananthony25 You are saying he is "so" mentally strong, as though this isn't just a standard expected level of conviction to happen in a debate, where the most intellectually honest you can be is to call out people on your side when there's disagreement? That's the basics of being a debater or politically active.
He's wrong, though. They can do a brain scan and tell what image a person is looking at with surprising fidelity. Doesn't change anything in the debate, and even Matt's allowed to be wrong once in a while.
@@travis5181 He's not wrong. What you're seeing in the MRI imaging output is a visual indicator that humans decided to use for practicality. It simply picks up where the electrical signals have high activity. Those synapses are physical, but they are not in itself the thoughts. While it is precise in what it's made to do, and what doctors can derive from the information is accurate, the physical form of the output is purely arbitrary.
Is there anything more irritating than someone telling you what you believe?
I agree, nothing irritates me more than when atheists tell me that the only reason I believe is because I'm afraid to die and have some obtuse need for an afterlife. Glad we agree!
@@WolfestoneManor
That would irritate me too, if I believed in an undetectable being.
Someone telling you what you feel.
Yea, God can be annoying when he does that.
No. You're not irritated. You are angry at God and you want to sin. ;)
I believe caller John doesn't believe in god, but is suppressing it.
That nonsense works both ways, caller John.
Deep down he knows that God does not exist. He is just pretending because he is too scared to face facts.
It is weird though. All this interactive complexity and no plexer. Weird
@@stupidtreehugger Reality requires a Realtor.
Exactly
@@brucebaker810 Where does one sign up to be a Reality Realtor?
Matt is taking Eric to task for misinterpretations, ad Homs, not letting the guy talk is the best part of this. Matt is in such a balanced mood
Wish he was always like that. Sometimes he can be a way bigger D than he needs to be and it's unhelpful.
This caller turned out to be such a nice person in the end. I really like how peaceful and open it became in the end. Hope you hear back from him in the future!
Dont believe it. No christian is truly a nice person
@NightfisherCustomTackle You’re worse than them… the vast majority of Christians are just mislead. It’s not some horrible fault on their part, just a sad fact about our society. Dehumanizing them solves nothing, and just confirms their stereotypes about us.
John was an honest broker. He truly was open minded and willing to concede he might not have been right about things.He didn't just furiously backpedal and make excuses to show he couldn't be wrong. I wonder now, a few years later, after agreeing there were two or three important things he hadn't considered if he ultimately.has changed his mind on the existence of a god and that the Bible is not a good reference for truth?
Ultimately this was a pleasant conversation to listen to.
"You really believe in God and suppress it"
Most ignorant and arrogant statement a theist can make
Oliver Dahl The perfect comeback is, “Well, you don’t believe in god, you’re really an atheist & you’re suppressing it.
@@CJ-ov1pl I'm not he is in the MCU, and he is also on because science.
has merit though . judge
I like to say to them,
"In Jesus name, die a horrible painful death, Amen."
The caller loves Satan, he just doesn't know it yet 😂😂
"I'm an open minded guy, and a born again Christian." Wow, if that isn't a car crash.
Before he was a Christian and before his brains fell out?
Can confirm; born-again in 1990s, crashed multiple times starting in 1999,when I realized that the Bible is not God's inerrant Word, and again in 2013 when I realized that my best evidence for God was nothing more than a vivid daydream, or a hallucination, at most, and immediately and permanently lost faith.
Well I will say this most born again Christians are conservative but if he is liberal and acceptong of GLBTs and goes toa church whom has Hays and Lesbians in leadership and marries Gays and lesbians he could be telling the truth,they do not believe in hell therefore do not condem others to hell which is much better then the conservative but if he is trying to save people here hes probably conservative
Oh he was the one talking to the guys them yea hes a conservative for sure
@@elizabethvandiver7863 Please, at least end your sentences with a period. It is easier to get your point across and Noone has to guess where the sentence ends.
I love the way Eric shifts the microphone as a defense mechanism against Matt shutting him down!
Yeah, Eric’s style is strong on its own but doesn’t work well with Matt there to call him on not picking up the subtleties
That guy is the WORST side kick I've ever seen with Matt.
He's more a reactionary that a engaged debater.
His ego was apparent from the first 60 seconds
I feel like the two host have animosity towards each other.
Yeah at the start of the show there is one part you can really see it when that clown eric looks over at Matt with a smirk on his face after saying " this is talk heathen and you will talk to the both of us" Here it is 0:43 watch the look after he is done talking and looks over at Matt,
Matt is so many levels higher than eric at debating and knowledge there is no comparison.
Eric is very childish for a man his age.
Eric is far more passive aggresive, plus it was a bit of a joke that when matt is on the others can't talk as much since he gets very angry when someone tries to "trap" him with a world play or the "i know what you think", it was a jab at this. And yeah matt has waaaay more experience so everyone pales in comparison
Eric can't stand Matt but he kisses the ring so he can keep his show. They all kiss Matt's ass.
Everything in the bible is proven in the bible, it's in the bible and therefore it's in the bible.
Bible.
But you forgot the bible bible bible😁
Then it must be bible 😂
@@gilliancockroft1719 what are you talking about. The bible is the bible because of the bible bible
Bible bible? Bible bible! Bible. Bible, bible. BIBLE ! BIBLE!!!
BIBLE
He's a open minded guy - his mind gladly flew out through this opening.
fucking underrated. I did more than breathe heavily through my nose
@@verifiedb.o.o.h5660 Beastimii carvor saniflas exocrucifer you ………
comments like this give atheists a bad name. As silly and illogical as the guy truly sounded, he clearly had the mind open enough to at least be able to concede that he had genuine interest in looking more into these types of things on an untheological level. So shame on you fuckers
As richard dawkins would say:"it is ok to have an open mind but not to the point where your brain falls out"
@@gloriannepapolis6525 That's not what was demonstrated here.
Eric doesn't like playing second fiddle to Matt.
I bet Eric secretly despise Matt for correcting him numerous times in this episode….just sayin’!!
They absolutely didn't make a good team.
I'm an atheist, and I'm afraid to talk to Matt. He's like the final boss.
"look at the trees."
"oh shit, i'm a christian now." XD
Hey that's just like that time I held some one's hand and got pregnant.
@@theSEGAtwistisover9k I held hands with a boy... am I pregnant or is he?? 😟
I wonder what blind people think about the beauty of the world around them...
@@ajaxlewis7664 it's kind of a Russian roulette unless one of you were wearing Band-Aids of course, then you're safe.
Funny, I looked at the trees and am now a Muslim :\ weird how we came to two different religions
John sounds like a preacher. He's used to talking AT people.
I hate how he just agrees with everything Matt says and then contradicts himself. Hes such a patronizing prick
@David Jameson Seems to me Matt does listen, he just cuts them off to explain why their "new ideas" are bullshit.
I don't know about you guys but I like John. I've talked with hundreds and he didn't seemed like he was talking AT them nearly as much as some of the others. He has genuine moments where he pauses and reflects and he concedes points. if I see this talk is anything, I see this as proof that the epistemological approach is infinitely better than argumentative/debate style. Had John spoken with a pro like Magnabosco, very well may have been non believer by the time it was done
He actually studied to be a preacher so that makes sense.
I remember well when I was a Southern Baptist Missionary. I was just as arrogant, self-righteous, and judgemental about my beliefs, and no one could convince me otherwise. Now, looking back, I am ashamed of myself because I treated those I loved who were non- believers like second class humans, and now they are gone, and I can't apologize.
Here is someone wishing you well. Kno need in harping on things you cannot change. you can only be more honest with yourself and those around you now. Be proud and unashamed.
Did they kill themselves. I know I try I did when my dad sister try put that shit in his brain trying to ruin my life and divorce my mom
Caller was one of the best I’ve heard in terms of answering questions and cogent responses. They weren’t good or accurate responses, but at least were consistent with the questions
Professor Trelawny predicted that a boy would be born to challenge the Dark Lord. That came true later on. That means Hogwarts really exists.
Dude, I've SEEN Hogwarts. I can show Hogwarts to other people. That alone makes it eminently more believable than any gods any of those theists want to pretend are real.
But seriously, your comparison of the Potter-verse is more apt than you might think; Theism is all about pretending. Just like believing the Potter-verse to be real involves a lot of pretending. In both cases, people are unsatisfied with the objective reality that confronts them and have decided to pretend that their prefered mythology is also real.
Heretic ! The dark Lord was palpatine and the boy was luke. Obviously tatooine exists.
I've been to platform 9 1/2 BUT being a mere Muggle I haven't had the opportunity to see Hogwarts :(
@@aussieatheist960 I think you might have meant Platform 9 3/4
@@RasMatHam02 Sh!t no wonder I couldn't get there I was ru nning into the wrong part of the wall!
Matt is on Eric’s show.
Matt is displaying significant patience here.
Is it really Eric's show? or is it a show that the ACA sponsors and Eric is just a hired host? curious...
IMBwildrd I honestly have no idea, but he’s the host.
Shmick !
yup!
Id say the patience ha shifted from Eric to Matt in this one
@schmick! I agree with you. I love Matt and agree with alot of his concepts. But I feel he is uncuth at times. In my eyes he was disrespectful to Eric. And it's hard for me to watch Matt at times bc of the way he comes across. I'm not a sensitve person especially in logical arguments and debates. If he can show patience and respect for others in an array of public forum's then why the lack of restraint here and Axp. And I'm not referring to the ramblers and ppl that should be interrupted for a number of valid reasons.
One of the best things I heard...
"Why is the serpent punished to crawl upon its belly when that's exactly what serpents do?"
I'd like to know how they think serpents moved around before they were cursed. Did they bounce on their tails like a spring?
@@Krikenemp18I heard a Christian minister once say that before the “Fall” serpents had legs, and then after the temptation of Eve and Adam, that’s when God cursed the serpent to crawl on its belly. It was one of those okie dokie, I’m out of here, moments for me.
@@mgerard365
Ironically the minister actually spoke some truth…
Historically snakes did have legs and to this day some snakes still show signs of short back legs.
In no way does this support the idea of a ‘fall’.
LOL! Matt is walking all over Eric and Eric is getting very pissed off.
It was pissing me off too. I don't like seeing people being treated like that.
What is he going to do? Nothing. Matt is the star and he runs the show. Everytime he is a co host on another person show he walks all over them. When he enters the show he is the focus of attention. Eric is so pissed the whole time and keeps making snide remarks.
@@jackstevenson4679 It's Eric's show.
@@pavld335 ok I stated that in my comment. Read it again. I know who's show it is.
@@pavld335 "Everytime he(referring to Matt) is a co host on another person's show he takes it over." Point being when Matt goes on another hosts show he always makes it his show. Does he not do this? I think he obviously does and there is plenty of evidence to support my claim.
"I don't want to believe, I want to know". -- Some dude called Carl Sagan
Never heard of him. 😆
I only heard his name in a staged rap battle between Albert Einstein and Stephen Hawking
I think that was a statement made by someone else on Carl’s behalf, after his death, as a description of his mindset. Either way, it’s a really bad quote because it paints this picture (whether intended or not) that belief in the absence of certainty is bad... which it isn’t. I recognize that knowledge doesn’t actually require absolute certainty, but considering that knowledge is a subset of belief, pitting them against each other gives that impression (that beliefs can only be the result of faith... which isn’t accurate). My interpretation here might be overly philosophical and pedantic, but the impression given I think can be a universal harm to those that take this quote at face value. Point being: make sure your beliefs are supported by sufficient evidence and all is good.
He was the Man.
Every time I think "maybe I could debate" and then I listen to Matt, I just sit down and lay my head on the table. Matt is so good at what he does. And having the amount of knowledge that he has on the Bible, is a huge huge help.
I have to agree completely. He articulates what I have felt for many, many years.
The issue is the aggressiveness and dickishness 90% of the time(?)
Sometimes its warranted. Other times, his fuse is WAY too short.
He doesnt apportion his annoyance appropriately. He indiscriminately jumps too it.
He wasnt always like that.
Earlier shows...he would do it when warranted.
Now he treats way too many that way, regardless of it being warranted or not.
He does it...doesnt really care that he does it. Hes aware and does it.
If someone on the other side did what he does, that consistently, I'd have issues with it. Matt doesn't get a pass bc I like him...agree with him...and like when he does that in the appropriate situation.
I do my best to not be hypocritical
@@jerryp6001 personally I like when he does it. Now I don't do it myself. Every once in a while I get frustrated but 99 out of 100 times if insults are thrown in a conversation about God with me, it's at me not from me. But I don't really have much of a problem with him doing it most of the time I find it entertaining as hell
@@jerryp6001 it seems like a lot of people do it within The Atheist Experience, so many callers point it out too as well as talking over people. It comes off so rude and I think it pushes theists (and atheists) further away and hinders progress. I get that callers can't talk for too long and the hosts have been having these discussions for some time but there's a much more polite way to go about things. I wonder if they'd have more viewers if they were a bit nicer.
@@thickerconstrictor9037 I imagine you don't do it yourself for a reason though. That's likely the same reason most of us don't. Most people don't like being spoken to like Matt does. I think it puts callers off. It's like in my other comment on here I've seen so many people bring up the way they are spoken to. Some of them even bring it up at the beginning of calls that there's often rudeness/talking over each other.
Eric needed to just keep quiet during this... Too eager to say "aha! Gotcha!" without listening to what the caller was actually trying to say.
Eric is a clown! Matt is many levels above him at debating and bible knowledge.
Another great example of a theist caller, who’s unaware of Matt’s Christian education, getting schooled by Matt about the Bible. Also, if more callers were just willing to listen and honestly answer a few questions like the hosts of the show, a better conversation would always take place.
I really hate the way the superstitious demean the word "scholar", religion poisons everything.
Religious zealots fear _intelligence_ more than any other characteristic in their opponents.
Bill Martin intelligence will make you walk away from most religions! Can you blame them for being scared of it? Peace!
Like Richard Dawkins said we I am from a scholar is someone who has read more than one book lmfao
@@thefirm4606 huh? Why should anybody be scared of intelligence? I do blame them for their stupidity. They need to walk away from all these fairy tales, with them believing in that and lacking intelligence is why we're getting further behind into the dark ages no thanks to these so called christians. They're scared of science and thinking it's witchcraft.
"All men are created equal" is a metaphysical and speculative claim.
I personally prefer Matt’s style to Eric’s. Not sure that they’re compatible side by side, but it’s still fun to watch.
Matt is certainly more conversationally aggressive. It's simply his personality. Eric, on the other hand, isn't quite so. Frankly, i think they (just as other pairings would) form a nice Yin-Yang thing. 😃
(EDIT: Getting further into the video, I can see better the point you were making about Eric jumping the proverbial gun. Let's just chalk it up to his enthusiasm, shall we?)
@@JohnLeePettimoreIII I completely disagree. Eric is even more aggressive than matt but doesn't have the tact or wit that matt does. Eric is constantly condescending even to his cohost sometimes and a large part of the time is just pretending to be full of confidence and gusto. His personality is the definition of false bravado.
I kind of feel like in this clip, their interaction was bordering right along a very thin line of being entertaining versus being uncomfortable. Just seemed to be tipping to uncomfortable more than usual in this one
the difference is one is a world class mind, the other is a smart guy. Matt is able to see way further than the other guy, that why he is always correcting him . . .
100% agree
This is a great segment of the show. I fully enjoyed the conversation.
I love the bit where he agrees with Matt that thoughts aren't real then when he realises that he now agrees with the "enemy" he tries to change his argument 😂
Thanks to Matt for keeping this argument in line with what the caller was actually presenting.
Yeah the dude with the glasses in an insecure prick
The definition of contradiction: A "born-again Christian" with an open mind.
Nah, fam,
1. Born-Again Wasteland Cultist with an open mind
2. Wasteland Cult able to distinguish between "cultural Acceptance" and "mass conversion".
He's so open-minded that his brain fell out.
Awoman to that!
That's a double contradiction!🤦♂️🤣
If accurate won't be born-again Christian long.
I had a conversation with a guy who always answered my questions with "let me ask you something". He was allegedly a science teacher, and constantly told me that he is "the teacher" and I am "the student". This conversation reminds me a lot of that guy, same accent and everything.
I gotta hand it to you guys. Way more patience with these callers than I EVER could have.
Matt telling the other dude to let the caller finish is a delicious irony
RIGHT??? Thank you! I'm glad someone else here acknowledges that Matt can sometimes be.... "pushy", shall we say - other times he's just plain rude to some of his callers, even when they hadn't done anything to deserve being talked to like that... he goes too far too quickly with that attitude of his sometimes, for sure.
In fact, I kept getting the sense that Eric was trying to sort of reel Matt in somewhat when he started moving in that direction toward John. And I'm glad he did - John seems like such a likable and friendly sort of dude, and clearly came in with good intentions of just have a good conversation - I think Matt going off on him the way he sometimes does would've been counterproductive and would've just damaged the goodwill and rapport they'd built with him throughout the call.
@@illuminocalypse5210 Yea matt is certainly very direct.. And sometimes very rude. Usually it's when people are starting to talk on a basis that isn't true, which he knows from experience won't lead anywhere so he's always quick to jump in and stop people before things get out of hand... He could certainly do it in a more respectful way however... One thing is being dismissive towards the callers, but I don't think undermining the host of the show(Eric) is a good look.
@@MaMastoast he's not just rude, he sometimes jumps on to defend with teeth and nail some shoddy detail just because the caller pisses him off
@@MaMastoast Yeah I definitely noticed that too. I'm not sure why Matt kept contradicting Eric. Matt contradicted Eric on insulting the author's of the bible as goat herders, which I'm pretty sure Matt has done before too, and even said worse. He's called the writers of the bible, raping and pillaging jews (which they were). But why was he so intent on contradicting him and emasculating him? Is he that much of a control/power freak or was there some underlying tension between them due to something that happened off the air?
Bro Eric's a fucking asshole
John believes in Santa, he's just suppressed it.
At least Santa is based on a verifiably real person.
Me: “How do we know the Bible is God’s word?”
Person: starts quoting bible versus
How do we know that "All men are created equal"?
@@a.brekkan4965 all men are created equal, then they are born and that changes.
@@j.dragon651 That would be the creationist position!
@@j.dragon651 anyone with any birth defects may like to have a word with you, assuming they can.
@@denverarnold6210 and I can explain to them why.
I just became a fan. I love this Channel already. Keep up the good work.
Theist suppress that they are atheist😇
Far more likely.
Sorry, not an Athiest (neo-Pagan), wait that makes me a Thiest, oh don't matter, I just don't believe in Christians version of "God"
@@LucianCorrvinus All of it is bullshit.
There is no evidence of a god. Reality is far more satisfying than fantasies from the Bible.
Jake Soriedem actually this would explain why they constantly need to “recharge” their faith/brainwashing.
"I've done a lot of bad things in my life' explains why he needs to believe, he wants the get out of hell card
He needs to do what most decent people do when they mess up.. Or sin.. Make amends for it. I had to do it. An rightly so. Leaving it to a god is dishonest an lazy an a cop out
VASHTA NERADA true! Leaving religion meant the only person I had to answer to was myself, here and now! Not say sorry and leave it to eternal damnation, skipping along oblivious. I am a far more moral person than I have ever been
Peace
@@thefirm4606 namaste.... I agree
Be hillarius if when we die we find out everyone moves on to something, and noGod worship necessary. There is 2 answer
We die. An that it.
Or
We move on to something else our energy transforms.
NO one really knows.
I don't belive in any monotheistic faith these dead desert religions encode us with the idea that individualism is more imported than service to our environment things that indifatactly relate us to the earth I suppose the ultimate truth is oneness that our life's are a temporary illusion we occupie our flesh body's wich are transient what important is things we share love freanship unity an togetherness as long as we have a cultural narratives that echew these ideas an suppress these ideas in favour of negative human traits GREED and LUST SELFISHNESS WE WILL LIVE IN OPPOSITION TO ONE AND OTHER AND BE EXPLOTED BY CORPORATIONS THAT PREY APON THE NEGATIVE ASPECTS OF HUMANITY.... I THINK OUR REALITY IS MADE UP OF OUR
INTENTION AND ATTENTION.
Sorry I went on a bit of a rant then.
Or he's been trained to constantly think that he's a piece of shit sinner
One deserves an eternity in hell purely because they didn't believe in jesus on the weakest of evidence, it's ridiculous, what a concept if that's the right word. It's horrible as well. It just reeks of some man made nonsense . I've met 3 Christians in 25 years. It really is for the deluded. If one's been indoctrinated, raised into a religious family then fair enough however to 'find jesus' later in life... A mid life crisis I guess. It must be an emotional thing with them. This bronze aged bullshit really has to fade out. Wake up people! I'm yet to hear a case where one's life hasn't drastically improved when they have lost their faith.
I never knew I needed to hear well articulated athiests take apart theist arguments.
It's pretty much a walk in the park when the theist says "I don't know nuthin".
Finally a caller with integrity. He listened politely and was willing to see the flaws in his own reasoning and reconsider his position. A thoughtful, thorough and very enjoyable discussion.
The caller is projecting his own insecurity, he cannot imagine himself not believing in a god, and therefore he cannot imagine others not believing also.
Robert allan I think that is a primary issue with theists. And, actually, because it shatters their worldview, they are the ones suppressing their beliefs.
the caller is attributing Morality to his god - a common Christian apologetic talking point: "you can't be moral without god." Frank Turek and Jordan Peterson promote this crap. Ironically, the Old Testament god is hella immoral, and the New Testament is immoral too with the Christian concept of Hell and Jesus telling slaves to "obey your masters"
This is true, and that is what keeps religion alive.
The fact he even made this call to this show indicates he might stumble on to the truth along the way....just like all atheists have reached the truth along the way...all atheists are born into a family that have a religious belief but somewhere along the way they determine there is no presentable evidence to support it as being true....people don't give up on religion....people discover it is NOT true....words written in a book by others are merely words written in a book by others.
@@DL-rl9bd Let's not do that. These people honestly hold these beliefs. They have a ton of cognitive dissonance, but they are not lying. Don't be like the caller and assert things you cannot demonstrate.
The longer the call goes, you can hear his voice getting shaky. Hes recognizing that his reasoning is flawed and is struggling to make his beliefs fit with reality.
Tilly Rivers which is good. Education never ends.
@Ronove sadly probably even stronger now that he was "tested."
just another fruit cake end of story.
That or he gets adrenaline when arguing.
That's also why he keeps changing his "arguments" / narratives, and why each one is worse than the earlier.
He literally went for "look at the trees" at one point.
loved this, prob one of my favourite calls
Eric, like most, should just stuff a sock in his mouth when he's on the same show as Matt. It's like watching Franklin trying to help Tesla with electricity ... "No, Ben. I don't think we really need a fucking kite at this point, I kinda got that part figured out." SHIT!
Lol Eric got so salty when the first caller wanted to ask Matt a question 😂😂
Eric and Matt both can get pretty aggressive, and I think they kinda need a more passive person to kinda even it out a bit.
@Prophet Everyone is on a high horse when dealing with an idiot . You must come across a lot of people on high horses !
Erik is most likely suffering from an inferiority complex🤣🤣🤣🤣 he always talks about it's his show and I don't think he likes Matt coming in taking over 😂😂😂😂
You can tell when he gets bothered he's always snug in his glasses up and touching his hair !!
Poor little Erik!!!!!!
Not quite, when caller didn't hear Matt's request , it was Eric that slowed caller down and told him Matt has a question.
@@spocksvulcanbrain I agree, but it seems Eric has been reading criticisms, because the collab in a video they released last week is so on point.
Matt at his best ,when he is explaining and patient
That ended so nice! That was a really great way that both of you ended this call!
I had a friend, years ago, that used to say, "If you believe it, it's true...to you." The trouble is, If you believe something is true because of physical proof, then it is tangible. If you believe something because you want it to be true, then that is wishful-thinking and that is faith.
The most important thing this guys said:
"I never thought about these things."
This is why this show exists. If all you know is what is in your own bubble, you might never think to ask questions.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks Eric rubbed them the wrong way. Something about him irritates me.
He is young. All young people are irritating.
Mr. E I’d never watch the show if he were the host.
Eric is an okay guy. I love him and I love Matt too. I could listen to them and Tracie for hours. They have taught me a lot in my old age. If it wasn't for them, Christopher Hitchens, Richard Dawkins, Robert Wright, and Julia Sweeney, among others, I would not have advanced this far from fundamentalist Christianity to atheism as I did. :))
@@anrose8335 lets not forget ayan hirsi ali,sam harris and stephen fry.Hitch is the boss,all the others are his disciples
Hes just a smart ass a lot of the time and treats the callers as if they are idiots when in reality they have just been led astray.
I've just recently, maybe in the last 2 months or so found out about Matt while stumbling through UA-cam and really like his content. This one in particular made me hopeful that his questions and lines of logic get through to more people than we know! I hope he did call back with a lil diff view on life!
Finally someone who seemed to have his eyes opened a bit by the end of the call. Bravo!
You believe in fairies. You just _suppress it._ See, I can do it too!
Jarrod how did you know? I love faeries !
Exactly! How do I know?
Jarrod Because we all do!
Of course... I was just suppressing it!
I don't think you are supposed to call them that anymore.
The Bible says..., The Bible shows..., The Bible was... He's stuck right there and can't move forward. That's his only answer to everything.
I found this at the end of a Bible, I wonder if they all have it?
"This story, all names, characters, and incidents portrayed in this Bible are fictitious. No identification with actual persons (living or deceased), places, buildings, and products is intended or should be inferred."
@@SolutionsNotPrayers Well that solves the 2000 year old problem. Should've put the disclaimer at the beginning.
@@SolutionsNotPrayers Do you remember what version of the Bible it was in?
@@rockysandman5489
Any Bible I come across receives the Stamp of that message and if god doesn't like it, I will wage war with him in the here and now or in his heaven. God does my bidding.
@@SolutionsNotPrayers Ooooh-hoo-hoo. So this god is your bitch?
I love listening to Matt. He's very well spoken, and I'm learning a lot.
@@Iwantpoptarts96420after talking to morons for years on end, you’d probably be more aggressive too.
Hilarious how Eric hates when Matt shuts him up, gets ignored but it hurts him more when Matt explains to Eric that THAT wasn't what John was trying to saying. Lol Lollipops!!! Haha
i want pizza therefore god
I'm in Naples right now, I'm in Mekka. L'antica Pizzeria da Michele in Naples is my church.
The human body being a product of evolution and not a single creator I can believe. But pizza was clearly intelligently designed. Therefore God exists
Pizza was invented by the devil to tempt away from the path of gawd
So God doesn't like pizaa, booze, premarital sex or the gays? Party's in heaven must suck.
Well, yeah. Basically heaven is just everybody telling god how great he is, and how much they love him. It's like having to suck up to the worst boss ever 24/7
That guy should have called The Atheist Experience when Matt and Tracie were on instead of this... Eric's OK sometimes, but here, he's just in the way.
Eric just tries to get into the conversation because he so badly just wants to be heard....
He wants to be Matt so bad it’s pathetic. Especially because he can’t walk the line between stern and rude like Matt can. Really wish they would replace him.
Dennis Jordan yea, he’s very annoying to listen to as an atheist. I can only imagine what I would have thought about him when I was a believer.
@@dennisjordan5917 We all gotta eat. I thought he was fine, not to say that it isn't somewhat true what you said. They should get cosmicskeptic on this podcast. That would be dope as fuck.
You guys are so much fun!
Give the caller some credit. John is a lot more thoughtful than most callers. You don't often hear a caller say "That's a good point." He's taking baby steps out of the darkness in this call.
As for the Matt and Eric dynamic, who gives a damn?
RAmen
I was surprised to see so much hate for him here. Also I think he didn't deserve how Eric treated him for momments
santiago uccella same, I came down expecting to see more comments saying he’s better than most people on these shows, but I’m guessing people got too hung up on the first point he made
He seemed like he wasn't truly listening just being condescendingly amiable.
no he isn't he sounds like every other self righteous idiot like he has the secret answer and anything you say he knows better
Nothing is gonna piss Matt off more than telling him what he personally believes. I can't wait to see this.
Pissed off Matt is my favorite.
don't tell me what I think or believe, nobody but I knows anything near the truth of either!!
This was quite wholesome in the end.
The caller is really sweet though, it's nice to see a calm debate. It feels really productive, whether someone is converted or not.
Question really is why do they need a god to exist to know how to be a decent human being?
GiA JuSt'INa Because of how the Beast System we inhabit socially engineers you to believe that perverse things are normal. This is Satan's Kingdom.
GiA JuSt'INa
1 John 2: 15.
Do not love the world or anything in the world. If anyone loves the world, love for the Father is not in them. 16. For everything in the world-the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life-comes not from the Father but from the world.
LoL, people find it easier to use GOD as an excuse to not be responsible.
They were taught to believe, so it's safer to go back to that security. Once they step into reality, they don't have any tools to defend themselves.
They were never given any tools to cope with reality.
They don't want to be RESPONSIBLE.
It's sad that people will choose to live their lives scared of going to hell and not one person walking on this planet has proven that there is a hell in the biblical sense.
People will choose to fight the "right fight" just to be right.
So when the topic of religion comes up and I say I don't believe until tangible proof is provided and I'm told something ridiculous like you need to believe, have faith blah, blah, blah... I become responsible by saying anything is possible or I don't know.
But when I hear people using the Bible as proof, I simply ask " are you willing to throw your children in a pit of fire because your Bible is the word of God and it says to do so?
Well, the moral of the story is you can't out do crazy so why bother.
Life is to short to be weighted down by fears of a man made scare tactic.
Grow some balls and question everything.
Be responsible, it's so much easier.
ShinRaPresident Then why is God demanding worship ? Isn’t that the whole point why he sends some to hell? Love me worship, tell me how great I am, if you don’t I will send you to hell. Where is the Free will in that? It’s like god saying you can pick whatever you want caz I give you freedom of choice, but if you don’t pick what I want you to pick I will send you to hell?
the light reveals the place - BULL SHIT!
After a shakey start, I actually liked the sound of John from Florida. He seemed much more open to new information than most theists and certainly than most born again Christians. It seems he just have a lot of reading and videos ahead of him. I hope he takes the bull by the horns. That's the fun part about challenging your religious beliefs. You end up learning a heap of new things, most of them are the really interesting stuff about the world 😀
Good luck on your journey John.
Yes good luck john he seems like a great and smart guy just he hangs around too many Christians possibly
@@ginajustiniano84 he's a moron.
I appreciate the caller's honesty
I am allways very happy to watch matt when he lets the other person make their points. Than his quick responses are son interesting. This conversation passed so quickly while it's one of his longest.
Off course the caller is also very honest and a good conversationalist
This is about as polite and patient as you will ever see Matt on a call of this nature.
Loved the squeeeky "whaaaat?" in the background when John said he now believes im the book of Eric. Holy shit, all hail Eric and the prophecy of Sunday.
Matt is *THE KING* of interruption.
“Ok, go ahead and comment.. HOLD ON. STOP! NO! YOU’RE ON HOLD! GOODBYE!!”
@John Michaels
🤷🏼♂️
wait now im the king
One of the best conversations I have listened to so far, the caller was great towards the end and gave me hope that not all Christian's are beyond rational thought.
I kept listening and maybe, just maybe there is hope with John.
You should've said "John I think you're an athiest but you don't know it"
I MISS TRACI AND MATT!
Traci balances Matt very well
Well u won't have to worry about missing them cause all of u will burn in hell
@@roberthampton9072 Tell an atheist that they are gonna burn in hell is like telling an adult that Santa is not gonna bring them presents.
@@roberthampton9072 Ill see ya there
@@roberthampton9072 Have fun being reincarnated into a slug, heathen.
This is the Matt I look forward to hearing. And the caller is reasonable, in that he genuinely attempts to answer questions.
Mat just blew his mind. Can’t believe I’ve missed this one.
These two don’t have good chemistry
agreed... but who knows, maybe they have good alchemy?
2 Alphas
Thing Eric is molding himself after Matt... but he is not there yet.. he charges aggressively while making logic or substance mistakes. He talks like Matt but he doesn’t listen like Matt.
He’s not bad tho. Give him 10 years and he will be a worthy successor..
@@kubanpanzer I agree. I like Eric. He can handle Matt and that's good. Eric is host of this show...not Matt. If allowed, Matt will dominate the calls. Matt is very passionate about what he does and it's hard for him to back down a bit so you must be a strong host or co-host or you will never get a chance to speak.
@@iamvickie9145 Mainly because Matt understands the issue with the arguments, I think if the co host is able to refute the caller Matt will happily sit back and listen but that often isn't the case
Seems like Eric is competing with Matt
@@arthousefilms Small Man Syndrome... it's what I think too every time I watch Eric on these videos.
The hosts were wayyyyy more patient with this guys compared to the others for some reasons
It's always funny to see Matt and Eric do a show together, they have pretty different ways to go at things.
I don't think Eric and Matt are a good combo.
Def not on this day they werent
Them stopping each other from interpreting uncharitably really helped this not break down quickly
I usually don't watch when the two of them are paired. Eric gets noticeably pissed when Matt interrupts him or worse, when Matt corrects or disagrees with him.
Don is a good match for Matt because he lets Matt talk over him, I don't blame Eric for wanting to have a say on his own show and not being sidelined by callers who treat TH as an AXp pre-show.
I don't think Matt and anyone make a good combo. Matt should be on his own because...well, even when there's someone on the show, he's still pretty much the only one talking.
Matt kinda takes over the show. I enjoy both but matt has been doing this for much longer. He is hard to beat with logic.
Matt should get his own show, a nice hr or two show, same concept. Id watch that shit
Eric tries hard but pales in comparison.
It's Eric's show and no one is going to run it but him, not even Matt. 😁
U can tell Eric is trying to play smart, but Matt is smart and makes Eric look even more stupid.
Could Erid be retired perthaps
If anyone cares, S2,E14 of Star Trek is "Wolf in the Fold"
@@Scyllax Yes.
REDJAK REDJAK REDJAK!
I literally watched that episode last night as I ate my dinner, I hadn’t realised it was that one, quite a coincidence
Symos awesome 🐺💨💨💨🌕👌🏾
Akaakaaka ak it was god...there are no coincidences.
Okay I tried to hold a straight face saying that but it didn’t last long
The brain of a religious person makes my brain hurt. Education matters John.
There a switch that flips in some people. A very special form of schizophrenia. Jesus probs had it too
This has got to be the calmest and tame I think I've ever seen Matt. It's kind of scary, actually.
Finally! An open minded born christian who is willing to sit down and understand reasoning and points by Matt. I wish more were like him.
Reminds me of a neighbor and her bossy obnoxious 2 yr old:
"Did you ask them what they thought or did you tell them what they thought?"
Eric, calm down. Everybody sees you.
hahaha! He does that crap a lot on various episodes. I can hardly stand to watch him.
No one cares about him. We only want matt to talk
Not so fast, I can't see him and did not know he was there. Thanks.
@@Vagabor123
I want Matt to shut up. Eric is a much better host.
Matt should go back to his own show.
I think its a bad move putting somebody in the number one seat and Matt in number two, you can see the irritation on Matt's face.
Looking back at Eric’s weekday prediction, it’s so much funnier now that I’ve heard someone call into the show to say that Jesus predicted the seven day week XD
Kudos to John for honestly appraising his beliefs
Doesn't sound like Matt and Eric totally agree on their approach.
Eric is a douche.
@@TheSocratesian I'd say he comes across as very unlikable. But yeah, douche will do.
I think they have two different approaches and I love watching eric...
@@TheSocratesian Look at this douchey douche with his douchey beard going around being douchtastic.
"The Bible is more comparable to science..." The Bible says that the Sun rotates around the Earth....
And that the moon is a "lesser light" that only comes out at night.
Where? 😂😂😂😂😂
@@metatronblack Genesis 1 describes the separating of waters by a firmament, the creation of Earth and seas and then, in verse 16, the placing of a "greater" and a "lesser" *light* in the firmament.
And thereby you've learned everything you need to know about what flat earthers believe.
That's what happens when you rely on a collection of ancient camp-fire tales as your guide to the Universe.
@@wolf1066 42!
@@wolf1066 C'mon it's not all bad. It has a Zombie Apocalypse!
They tell us what we believe, yet they think we are the arrogant ones.
Matt looks frustrated with Eric, Eric trying to control things and Matt is like sit down amateur lol
Master and apprentice - no disrespect meant Eric , we all learn from Matt