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I have a friend who is schizophrenic and highly religious. This sounds like a lot of conversations he and I have had.
Are y’all still having conversations like this? Because for me it would only take one, maybe 2, conversations like this to tell me to take religion off the table for discussion
He is my friend and I only push back a certain extent as I know what his issues are. Love the guy but I do have to cut our talks off at certain times.
He is my friend and I only push back a certain extent as I know what his issues are. Love the guy but I do have to cut our talks off at certain times.
@@joeely6817 I’m sure the same goes for politics lol
I also have schizophrenia and have had religious themed delusions at times, tho even at my most delusional did I ever have the experience of belief in a literal God or anything supernatural.
With delusional content, I advise it most helpful not to argue or over engage the topic. You lack the capacity to doubt the delusion while delusional. It's most helpful to briefly hear the thing and then change the subject to other more mundane topics.
Like, "Ah I see. OK. That sounds stressful. Anyway what would you like for lunch today?". Because you lack the ability to doubt the delusion, but you do have the ability to not think about it for now. Everything everywhere will seem consistent with the delusion being true.
Imagine that you alone believed that you are awake right now and other people are awake and exist. You can never prove it, but you just know it has to be true. You can't even imagine it being false that humans exist. We're humans after all. Arguments about it are just upsetting, make you want to argue it more, prove it. Yet other people act like nobody in their right mind believes humans exist (despite themselves obviously being human). Whether you are a human reading this comment on UA-cam, or just a god having a dream about a world full of humans, things will work out for all of us better if we just don't think about it too much. Dream world or real world, it works out better if we engage more on topics other people don't find to be delusional. You couldn't prove reality is non-dream based anyway if you wanted. All evidence examined would point to the delusion being true, but only for you. Best not get obsessed about it or life will pass you by.
I happen to believe reality is real, we're awake in real life and only people awake can read comments on the internet, but hey, that's just me.
It's nice that these atheist shows are posted for us on the internet, isn't it? I am drinking coca cola today.
I don't think he answered a single question he was asked
The hallmark of many theists...
he's got a home made magic 8 ball and just shakes it up after every question
I forgot how nutty this dude was, what the actual f--k is he talking about?
He is a flat earther aswell
@11:17
Jamie: In your everyday life...do you use evidence outside the Bible?
Rob: I'm a painter. I'm a musician. I drive a car.
Jim side-eyes Jamie
Jamie: Uh... ok.
The way he talks about Africa absolutely riled me up. He genuinely thinks of it as a lesser place with lesser people. But without the education system of Johannesburg, I'd be dead, because that's where the Nigerian surgeon who saved me went to uni. I couldn't have carried on talking to him.
Absolutely. I also loved the “Scandinavia is in the middle of nowhere” comment. Ah, yes, the place I can fly to in 50 minutes from the Netherlands… MIDDLE OF NOWHERE.
Yeah. It annoys the hell out of me too.
it’s depressing that in 2024 some ppl think africa is a country
Exactly! The continent of Africa has 4x the number of people of the US. Mercator map doesnt help
And that Scandinavia is a country. And that it’s “in the middle of nowhere”. Unbelievable.
This call is from 2018.
But you are still right.
Why should we know about the birth place of humanity it's not like it's important 😮
Why is it depressing? It is a categorical error made by somebody else. The idea of a country is just that, an idea, abstract, and don’t physically exist. Can you define what a country is?
Rob spouts lots of rhetoric which he thinks makes him look smart, unfortunately for him it only confirms his density.
Nothing will change his view. He will doubledown until he's dead
I’m a picker, I’m a grinner, I’m a lover and I’m a sinner! But I’m ashamed to say, I’m not a painter!
Yes!
Steve Miller.
The Joker.
Greetz from Amsterdam.
🇪🇺🇳🇱
Thank you Maurice, whoo whoooooo...
Rob is, at once, both sad and funny.
He's driving me crazy.
Doesn’t want to go into the past, but wants to quote the Bible. 🤦🏽
I was literally thinking the same thing! Just shows how muddled peoples thinking can be
Is the sky blue?
Yeah, well, you know, I do like squirrels.
“…then strut around the chessboard like it won…”
It is very sad how religion can damage a person's ability to think for themselves.
Rob sounds like he's been surrounded by lunatics all his life.. 😕
He lives in Long Island, so yes 😂
@@johns1625 he lives in America, so yes 😂
I hear they all gather together every week on Sunday for a few hours.
"Never believe or trust an organisation that has only one book" Billy Connolly
At some point you should just ask him for his name, or 2+2, just to see if he's capable of hearing and answering a question
I'd like to apologize on behalf of other Robs from NY. This one lost his membership a while back, but he still pops up now and then.
♫ _When you're a Rob from NY ... you're a Rob from NY _*_fer life!_* ♫
He made 0 sense
Rob‘s sophistry is infuriating, and I wish the hosts had told him that earlier.
Is Rob like…okay? He seems to be completely unable to have follow the conversation on a basic level. Aside from his apparent cognitive deficiencies, he’s also seems to have never spoken to someone to actually disagreed with his worldview.
Must be burning mushrooms rather than a bush...
I don’t wanna get into stigmatizing mental health but he consistently doesn’t realize he isn’t talking about any subject
Religious thinking makes me so sad. Listening to Rob breaks my heart, not because he's so unique... but because he's not. I know so many Christians like this. In some ways, I WAS this kind of Christian.
And also just very deeply racist.
If Adam and Eve were cast out of the garden, how would we be able to visit the pyramids today?
Guarded by cherubim and a flaming sword. Don’t find any of those in Egypt.
Yeah. Where are those dudes?
It's such a dumb story.
Adam and eve had no idea what right and wrong was...so they are from the tree of knowledge/good and evil.
And then were punished for doing something wrong...when god didn't give them the ability to understand that it was wrong.
Dumb 😂
Jamie is one of my favorite hosts. I’m glad he’s back on the AXP.
This is a throwback episode..
@@user-sd5go4rr4i yes but he occasionally hosts ACA Sunday shows either TH or AXP, that's what this person is referring to
@@ARoll925 Not sure how you know what they are referring to. That is almost god like. But thanks for speaking for someone else.
@@user-sd5go4rr4i I actually read what they wrote, it seemed like you misunderstood what they were saying, or you said something irrelevant, either way it was obvious you didn't get what the OP was saying
@@ARoll925 Thanks for speaking for them again. Let me know why I should give a shit. May as well think for me also. Or move along.,
Am I having g a stroke? Or is this guy not answering anything and just talking nonsense
I don’t do drugs but after hearing this conversation I’m going to rehab😂
I really liked how Jamie kept asking questions, but not in an antagonistic way. He seemed to be sincerely trying to understand the caller. Active listening is an underrated aspect of communication and sometimes I think social media isn't helping. This was an exception! I hope callers notice.
How long should you keep asking questions and making great points before you realize that the person you’re speaking with is impervious to common sense and reason?
I would argue that Jamie reached that point 15 minutes in.
What’s the point of even humoring someone who i would argue is mentally ill?
How do you have a productive conservative with someone when you can’t even agree on the simplest of proven facts, like in science and/or history? I would argue you can’t
Jamie was always the best
What nonsense. The caller was incredibly dishonest and should be called out.
@@waynedexterI don’t think he’s mentally ill. I think he’s indoctrinated, dishonest and disingenuous, like almost all other christians.
Having conversations like this with people that are this lacking in mental capacity, is simply a waste of time. It's identical to arguing with a child about their imaginary friend.
The key is to not let the conversation get too broad; don't introduce too many new ideas, but keep it focused on what _they_ say and examples they use. This is a teaching technique called scaffolding -- using their own experience and jargon to alter their understanding. You're trying to rewire their existing ideas, not completely tear them out and install yours.
False equivalence with the use of the word 'identical'. Had you of used 'similar' that would've been ok.
@@CycocelVocalistyou understood what he was saying colloquially. Why be so pedantic? What did you add?
Rob who.clearly has no idea about what he is talking about.
He was brought up in a religion the same as his parents the same as those parents and the same as those parents. Plain and simple and they can't look critically at their brainwashing
that was amusing ... and sad, of course, but what can you do after a point.
If Karl Pilkington was a Christian...
🍊
"I'm on my own journey in life" = "I'm too lazy to go to church"
Boom
"I have proof of God" >>> Let the dancing commence.
The irony of Rob talking about the mental deficiencies of African countries.
Poor Rob is one conspiracy away from a mental breakdown.
Israeli scholars say there were no Israelis wondering around Egypt.
They couldnt find any evidence of ancient Israel. Zero
"you want physical proof"
Of course!!!
It shouldn't be difficult to provide if Bible God is so prominent.
You guys should make a Rob from NY supercut of all his calls to all shows 😅
Pyramids are from the garden of eden......woooooow 🤯
Apparently God was so angry that after kicking out those 2 ingrates, he threw out the furnitures too
Two people, an apple tree and a talking snake. Somehow that requires 3 pyramids and a sphinx to accommodate. You'd think a modest 2 bedroom cottage would have sufficed.
This is the crap we have to deal with. NYC PARKS DEPT. Existed before the Pyramids. BELIEVE ME I WAS THERE 😊
Ethiopia is a very religious country thought to be the resting place of the arc of the covenants.
Also the country that God starved most of the devout population so that atheist pop stars could try and save them
Time for a bong hit!
The Bible was written, revised and edited many times BY the religious FOR the religious.
The last thing it is; is truthful, reliable, unbiased, impartial or a neutral source.
Imagine if I wrote a car's owner's or a nuclear reactor manual using parables, metaphors, and allegories.
Both stupid and incredibly irresponsible eh?
But when people's deities do the same in their holy books, they see no issues.
“A theist is just a dim light bulb you haven’t disposed of yet.” - William Butler Yeats
I believe, therefore it must be true😂
Scandinavia isn’t a country Rob. It has been inhabited for at least ten thousand years. Long before religion. What the hell does “they’re a people unst of themselves” mean ? This guy struggles to construct a coherent sentence, let alone making an argument for the existence of a god.
When your car stops running, rolling to a stop and the gauge reads empty, do you use this "as evidence" to conclude your car is out of gas, or do you consult the Holy Spirit?
This call made me laugh multiple times
This dude should run for president. How is not a lifelong American politician?
I believed people from NY had an average IQ of around 60. I now believe I over estimated by a lot. I don't think Rob could put a stamp on a letter and get it right. He would like the letter and put the stamp inside.
I've heard a lot of wild calls over the years, but I don't think I've ever heard a caller say things that are quite so disjointed.
I'd suspect he has some issues that have nothing to do with religion.
I suspect you're correct. This call was wild. The caller certainly appeared to have cognitive issues, including an inability to answer very clear questions.
"I'm not really concerned with whether or not you know the bible well"
"Ah I see, you want to know the number of times I've read the bible"
I hope Rob reads these responses
The ignorance of the caller is breathtaking.
i could’ve sworn they spoke english natively in new york?
How strangely bizarre.
Host: Do you use evidence in the bible for your day to day life?
Rob: I'm a painter, a musician, and I drive a car
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
The garden of Eden was supposedly in what is now Iraq, quite along walk from Egypt.
I've always wanted to see the Great Pyramids of Giza. I hear they have those in Iraq now?
I really do need to believe he's a prank caller as this is funny (scary if he isn't a prank! 😳)
was Rob's tactics being just moving the goalpost again and again and again to a point where people would forget there is one at all?
I want to know where the angel is with the flaming sword standing outside a wall of thorns to keep man out of the Garden of Eden FOREVER.
Shouldn't your screener be asking for SAT scores?
Is it me or did Jamie humor this dude for way too long?
Jamie hasn’t let this guy say a damn thing.
Over five thousand years of claiming they have proof of an imaginary God, and not once being able to, if one had proof they would not still be attempting to argue it into being, as Homer Simpson famously stated , "If at first you don't succeed, GIVE UP, no point in carrying out and making yourself out to be a fool.
Is this a saturday night live skit???lmao
Please re-upload the Dark Dawkins or "EF". People need to see how insane he is it's pretty entertaining
This guy is one of the most accomplished trolls I’ve ever known of.
Who the f**k let grandpa use the phone?
The neopathic age. My favourite age.
What kind of position is the following? - It would take a lot of work to verify, and I would have to care if what I believe is true.
Since they have been bearing children...?
Sounds like the IS a fourth participant on that conversation that only the called can hear.
I know why religious charitable orgs prosper in the USA....tax exempt status. Is it tax exemption worldwide? That would make sense...
Jesus is the King of Glory! This world is not our home. We are going home soon.
Does Wonton/Rob still do stuff? I haven't seen him do this or flerf stuff in a good few years.
This guy is mental!
Oh wow, whatever happened to Rob from NY, d’you suppose? 😂
OMG I'm sorry this is just agonizing.
Well then explain Gobekli Tepi. What was going on in Cambodia? How about Mexico and Central America? South America?
Hosts could have taken control before this caller unloaded his personal Truth. Religions teach that The Truth can be found by sitting alone and closing one’s eyes, no verification necessary.
Rob is basically saying it's all make believe.
He said a number of problematic things, I wonder how it went on Discord.... And I have not heard of any paper being signed by Jimmy, so I guess that the numbers thing did not pan out... 😂
This mans mind is a mess.
this sounds VERY much like a chatbot...
The call went nowhere because Jamie’s barely challenged this guy, wow. Why not challenge and ask difficult questions
I thought he challenged and questioned him at every step.
Classic episode lol
The only thing is said that made any sense was “The Bible is the spark of imagination”
The caller basically made up his own religion
All The Best Apologists Have Long Island Accents.
I am actually a Palaeontologist, and focus my research on the ‘Neopathic age’. I’m not, it just a lie!
People might laugh at this guy but his arguments, or lack of rather, is no worse than any other apologist.
And that’s why we laughed at them all 🤨
Rob is... Wow.
It never ceases to amaze how theists constantly talk past other people and are literally incapable of having a fucking conversation
he was having a conversation alright, just not with the hosts
Rob gives the lie to the idea that anyone with a Queens accent makes their ideas sound more believable.
It sucks that Jamie knows this isn’t productive and still entertains this nonsense. It seems like he is trying to be too nice and isn’t really holding the callers feet to the fire as to not upset him. It’s not informative or productive for the listeners when he speaks to these people as if they are kids as to not offend.
What??!!!
Was this caller just a troll playing the part of a theist?
Wait....the pyramids were built by TWO PEOPLE (Adam & Eve) in the Garden of Eden then transported to Egypt? 🤨
Go on......😑
Rob sounds like extremely high. Not sure if he's high on drugs, religion or a mix of both though.