What Went Wrong With Superman Returns? - Hack The Movies
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Superman returns in some way shape of form every few years. Today we're going to talk about his first BIG return in Superman Returns! A movie that really wants to remind you about the original movie. Directed by Bryan Singer and starring Kevin Spacey and other people! What did you think of this movie? Are you excited for the next return of Superman?
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Tony, you have to do a review of a great underground comedy called "Windy City Heat" its one of the greatest running pranks of all time, sooooo great.
Back when Kevin Spacey was seen as a maniacal villain in a movie and not in real life.
The same can be said for Brian Singer too
Kinda.
Half of Latin America already saw him as a villain for being a friend of dictator Hugo Chavez. They even took some pictures together in Venezuela a few weeks after the release of this movie.
@@Alejandroigarabide What do you have against gays, you filthy capitalist?
Kevin Spacey was great.
Method acting baby
I think Superman Returns has the best Jimmy Olsen. Sam Huntington as Jimmy Olsen is humble, sweet, and dorky in such a likable and natural way.
Frank Volpe is a great commentator add. Hes great, does his homework, feels laid back, and not annoying.
The anti-mint
I was just about to comment how cool this guest was it was an awesome episode
If this channel didn't prefer mediocrity I'd be inclined to agree
Def agree
@@cthulhupthagn5771 mint fucking sucks
The hospital scene is the most iconic part of this movie to me. The shot where they're trying to puncture him with a needle and it bends was one of those small movie moments that are just perfect.
That's Happened to me in Real Life....
I had enjoyed Superman Returns for what it was worth. Brandon Routh, in my honest opinion, had done a good job playing as the man of steel even honoring the late Christopher Reeve in terms of performance.
Plus on the sign note it was good to see him again during the events of the CW crisis on infinite Earths as the Kingdom Come Superman, which he looked like he was ripped from the comics.
Unpopular opinion I love this Superman and they would have made amazing movies after
Anyone that considers themselves a Superman fan that thinks they know what Tim Burtons Superman film with Nic Cage would have been like based on photos on the internet and rumors seriously needs to do themselves a favor and watch the documentary Tony is talking about. “What Happened? The Death of Superman Lives” is a great documentary that actually cuts through the nonsense and gives you a better understanding what that film would have been. Would it have been a great film? Who knows, but the idea that it was veering off a cliff and becoming the fanboy train wreck everyone assumed is wildly wrong. Seriously give the doc a watch if you can. Also the Tim Burton interview is filmed so badly because it wasn’t planned, Jon Schnepp the docs director got the interview at the last minute while in Europe and took advantage of the limited time he could. Originally Burton wasn’t going to be in it at all.
Im so happy to see Frank back at HTM, He's one of my favorite co hosts.
Happy to be back! Lots more to come!
He's one of mine too! Especially when he's paired up both tony and trisha!
@@frankvolpe3232 congrats on being an uncle
@@BigGahmBoss Thank you! Exciting times!
I thought Brandon Routh did a great job as Superman. I was a little confused when it said Superman was gone for five years since 1980, and yet the present day is 2005. The plane rescue was fantastic. Kevin Spacey was still good as Lex Luthor.
I think Routh is a decent Clark/Superman. Haven't seen the crisis episodes that the cw shows did but I've heard he's pretty good in that too
@@kdusel1991 that çrossover is a must watch. Brandon Routh, and everyone within the cast is amazing.
Agreed it’s not his fault that the script sucks.
1981
Love this film. The bad guy stuff was bad but every bit with Routh in it was brilliant.
Brandon Routh's kingdom come suit In the arrow first crossover They did was way better Superman suit than watching Superman returns. And he looks amazing in that suit.
I might have seen Superman's Come suit online, but I thought it was for a different show. What I have seen of The 1990 Flash's return I liked.
I remember liking this movie when I saw it in the theater, but the more I thought about it the more I realized it was almost an exact beat for beat remake of Superman: The Movie, and that's why I liked it initially. If Superman: The Movie didn't exist prior to Returns I would like it a whole lot more; as it stands, Superman: The Movie is and always will be my favorite comic book superhero movie.
My millennial ass watched returns first, so I liked it just fine lol. But the original still blew me away and is undoubtedly superior.
@rayfriedrich5224 I'm glad to hear you say that. I will always contend that 1978's Superman: The Movie is the best comic book superhero ever made, and it is the blueprint upon which every superhero origin story has followed thereafter. You don't have to agree that it's the best one. In fact, I would probably guess you're more a fan of the modern movies, especially the Nolan Batman series. I just happen to love it because it was pretty much the only superhero movie when I was little, and it comes with a lot of nostalgic baggage for me. However, there's no denying that it created the film origin story of a superhero.
Prison Mike gets me every time lol
I am here to scare you straight. I AM HERE TO SCARE YOU STRAIGHT!!! - Prison Mike.
Saw this one in the theater. Have a few issues with it, but it's way up there for me, in terms of hero flicks. I loved Brandon R. as Superman.
Yea! I legit love this movie.
It’s one of those movies that’s so frustrating because it took twenty years to get a new Superman movie, there’s so much that could have been done, and we got…this. At some point, it might have worked, but it absolutely wasn’t the movie we needed.
Shout out to the late great Jon Schnepp the director of aforementioned “The Death of “Superman Lives” What Happened?”
I enjoyed SR initially, still don't hate it, but most of the casual fans that I knew didn't realize it was a loose sequel to Superman 2. You had the flashback of Krypton exploding, then the rocket landing in Smallville, then an adult Clark get out. I knew going in it was a loose sequel reboot, but it confused a lot of other people. Would have been curious to see Singer's Superman sequel, which he said would be like his "Wrath of Khan". Alas, I don't see that happening.
With all the talk of crystals and how they mention crystal so much, Tony really missed a trick by not having the obvious guest host of Johanna here.
I have a similar nostalgic reaction to this film like "Hulk" (2003). There's a lot to enjoy in this movie. Unfortunately, upon rewatching it, the story/plot/character issues are more apparent. There was a lot of cut footage from this movie which could have have helped it. I'd really be down for an extended director's cut one day. A lot of effort went into this movie's screenplay and production, so its disappointing to not have the final product seem incomplete. Its an enjoyable and well made film, but its not without its questionable creative decisions.
Hulk was my favorite super hero movie as a kid outside of maybe Reeve’s first Superman movie and Keaton’s first Batman. Still enjoy it to this day.
At the time Hulk was made, more people identified the Hulk with the TV show than the comics. Because of that and the movie just being overall bizarre, that is why Hulk flopped.
"Does Superman eat?"
Tony: *silence*
Regardless of the rest of the movie I thought the opening act with the airplane was or is the best opening for a Superman movie and shows what Superman is supposed to be.
Finally! Forget Craft Legacy, forget Prometheus, what the fans really want is that Table For Three review
the plane scene is still the best Superman action sequence
Robert Meyer Burnett of the Burnettwork & the John Campea show on UA-cam, often speaks about how much fun he had doing the special features for this film.
I really enjoyed the behind the scenes doc from RMB! Really cool to watch the whole process. I need to check out the making of the death of superman lives now.
@Frank Volpe Sadly, I don't have any physical media of Superman Returns, so I've been deprived. I stopped collecting DVDs before Blue-Ray was the dominant medium. So I have about 140 or so regular DVDs/Box Sets
this video hurts, because this is my favorite feature of all time, and it means a lot to me personally, and I could defend it for days… but I understand why most of you despised it :/
Gotta like what you like man! I enjoy Rubber as a bad movie and my girlfriend can’t stand it.
Dude, how could you think that scene of Krypton blowing up & Superman heading to Earth was supposed to be the origin trip? Did you completely forget EVERYTHING about Supes, particularly that he was a baby when he was sent to Earth? LOL
We get a scene of him getting shot by a giant machine gun, bullet hits his eye in slowmo. And then... nothing.
That scene was parodied in Epic Movie, it's a terrible Parody movie. I remember the commercials for that movie showing the parts that were supposed to be funny but weren't.
@@wisconsinking323 I think that was "Superhero Movie" but I'm not sure. Either way it sucked
Superman returns was great. It felt like my childhood all over.
I don't know what went wrong with this movie back then, but i do know what is wrong now: having the names of two of the most notorious " cuties fans" of the industry attached to it!!!
I agree.
Ya know, nobody says it but since Lois and Clark was brought up, John Shea killed it as Lex Luthor.
The villain of this movie should've been Braniac.👽
Oh man, the Jack Van Impe VHS proudly displayed made my day.
I was excited for this movie back in the day. I used to work near the Sydney city location when they were shooting. There were memos sent around saying that they will be filming "The Red Sun" in the area. I used to walk past the water fountain (also seen in The Matrix) everyday.
I'm intrigued to see what James Gunn does with Superman Legacy. Given that his superhero movies are pretty good, I'm hopeful. Also it's great to have Frank in the new store
I hope it's a love letter to the fans of the DCAU
@@wisconsinking323 well the DCU is inspired by the DCAU. I also think years of working with Kevin Feige and Marvel has also helped him. I do hope he comes back to direct at least one more marvel movie after guardians 3.
I'm expecting a dick joke somewhere in there, and that's just not Superman. It works with Suicide Squad and GotG because they're all (ex-)criminal scumbags, but if Superman cracks any kind of raunchy joke, I'm not interested. Gunn is going to have to completely change his style for it, considering everything he's done prior to this has been in that same vein.
@@circular_entropy3455 I doubt he’ll do that with Superman but if he does i’m walking out asap 😂😂
@@circular_entropy3455 I don't think he'll throw his humor from guardians and the suicide squad in there. Apparently he really loved superman comics growing up.
The movie may not be great, but that trailer for it that uses the Krypton theme from the original Superman film is one of my favourite trailers of all time
Better question is, "What went right?"
The premise had real promise and the plane save scene was a good entrance. Rather than being a reboot which we just got with batman but both a continuation of reeves character and using his absence to change the character could have been a good reintroduction and welcome alternative to the direction taken with dc's other biggest franchise at the time.
Hoping Tony reviews that alien autopsy fact or fiction video at some point
With Jonathan Frakes
Nothing went wrong In this movie to me. I loved it. I seen it in theaters as a kid with my dad. When I camped with my family over that summer, I remember our pack of pepsi had a comic on it from this movie on it and when it came out on DVD I bought it at Walmart with my dad and went back to the car and I remember seeing a news paper of Sadam in prison on the cover after him hiding in a cave in my dads truck. I was 13 at the time
I didn't expect Sadam to show up at the end of that post.
@@HackTheMovies It also doesn’t line up with reality. Saddam was caught in 2003. He was executed in December ‘06, which is maybe what this person is misremembering.
@@kidcrossfire3489 maybe he was hung in 2006 or he died
@@kidcrossfire3489yeah he died at the end of 2006 so I definitely saw him on a newspaper in my dad's truck after I bought the dvd
@@HackTheMovies correction he died at the end off 2006 so I definitely seen him on a newspaper in my dad's truck after I bought the DVD. Random memory I tie to superman returns
Marvel should definitely cast Frank as a younger wolverine
I can honestly see that but I think they wanna go with someone from Canada. Someone who's actually a short.
16:59 Well, considering that in the original Richard Donner movie, Kal-El leaves Krypton as a baby and arrives on earth as a two year old, we can probably assume that's how long the journey would normally take.
They should've either done two more rewrites to make it an origin (which this film feels like and has the elements of) or rewritten it as a sequel with more action, less characters, and a different villain. The "Return to Krypton" sequence should've been used and definitely would've made the film better. Hopefully the new DC version brings back the magic of Sups.
Agreed. I watched this with little prior knowledge to this film and zero context. I spent the first hour very confused and mentally distracted from all the contradicting tonal signals of what kind of movie this was supposed to be
I'm hopeful too. But I agree. This movie needed a few rewrites. Maybe they could've brought that deleted opening back and cut all the non interesting stuff like the suitcase set up scene that goes nowhere.
I hope Gunn's Superman is a love letter to the fans of the DCAU version, same thing with Batman in the upcoming Brave and The Bold movie.
Parker posey would have been a way better actress for Lois.
Frank promised me during the last premiere that he would rap for the audience during this episode and give me a shout out. Let's see if he makes good on his promise 😂. Either way, MC Frank the Tank is a cool guy and I look forward to this one, thanks y'all!
😂 The one after this one I got you!
@@frankvolpe3232 lol i think this is just your way of making me watch next time, but damn its working lol! Smooth
Regarding the suitcase, I'm pretty sure there's some dialogue about how Clark is looking for a place to stay so I always assumed it was some of his personal stuff and he was storing it there since he didn't have a home.
The biggest problem with this film is it put in too many homages to Superman the Movie. Superman Returns feels less like a new story and more like a soft remake of Superman the Movie. Christropher Reeve passed away two years before Superman Returns was released. I get that Brian Singer wanted to make the film serve as a tribute to Reeve's legacy however a unique script would have been much better. The lack of a significant battle between Superman and a challenging foe is quite telling. I'm sure the plan was to remedy this in a sequel. Unfortunately, that didn't happen.
Kate Bosworth was miscast in this film. She is supposed to be Margot Kidder's Lois however, she lacks the charisma and charm needed to fill that role. Brandon Routh was perfect casting to play Christopher Reeve's Superman. The same effort that went into casting him should have been applied when selecting an actress to play Lois.
Brandon Routh's Superman Curse was that he was in Superman Returns.
Great episode dudes! Nice and long to help me through the work day. Thanks for continuously posting great reviews that are never wurtered down.
Tony & Frank have great chemistry, always on point and never an awkward silence or dull moment, whether a joke kills or falls flat. So we get a 2 hour long review/retrospective with great conversation, no dead air, and no grasping at something to talk about, I swear these two could be related...
Also, I was 20 or 21 when I saw this movie, so maybe I wasn't it's target demo, but it was a huge disappointment for me. The story was shockingly slow & boring, the two leads felt like a charisma vacuum, and the scene of Superman being shot in the eye felt like something a child would come up with. Every commercial for the film had that scene in it, and every time I saw it my feeling towards it went from laughing, to bewilderment, to indifference.
They did Routh dirty. 🤦♂️
The space shuttle and plane may be a reference to The Man of Steel (1986)
I still find what you see around 30:45-30:52 funny.
Good stuff...
Dean Cain & Teri Hatcher are my favorite Lois & Clark too.
U guys have great back and forth as always
Superman turned into a deadbeat dad
No, that footage of Krypton blowing up IS his origin. That’s not him returning. The text explains it.
Sam Huntington was also in Disney's Jungle 2 Jungle.
Don't remind me. That movie is so stupid.
I guess this movie is technically a requel before that was a concept
I haven't seen 'Superman Returns' in a long time.
I saw it in the movie theaters on opening night & haven't watched it, since.
Over-all, I thought it was a good movie.
My mind is rather fuzzy on this movie, so, thank you for the review/memory refresher.
That poor dog must’ve chased that stick forever
In the Donnorverse, Superman's suit is Kryptonian regalia. He wears it after he 'graduates' in the fortress.
Yes but I think its made from his blanket. You can see them wrapping him in it.
They also had the returns suit in smallville. Then last episode they made a different suit,
When I saw this in the theater, the sound cut out when he landed on the island and stayed off for the rest of the movie. Everyone in the theater started making up their own dialogue 😂
Geat episode! Speaking of Legends of Tomorrow, I co-star with Shayan Sobhian's (Behrad Tarazi) mother in a horror film we just released last year.
I though he was about to sing lol 31:26
I don't care much for this movie now. It's very flawed, and the love triangle story with a son Clark abandoned was especially terrible. But I have to admit, hearing the John William's theme in a new Superman movie on the big screen when I was just 10 years old was a pretty big deal for me, and a great experience I don't think I'll ever forget. As a whole, the movie doesn't work, but it definitely has its moments.
so I hadn't seen this in 10 years or so and in 2018 I sat down with it and as an adult (came out when I was 10) realized my problem with it. It's basically an argument for why traditional episodic stories suck. Comics, tv, etc. It always has to return to status quo. This movie makes the case that if you remove superman and the status quo, life actually goes forward meaningfully for these people. Lois is in a happy marriage, Jimmy's moved up, even Martha fuckin Kent has a boyfriend. Superman shows back up and for the first time his world has moved on. Granted he has to stop lex's bullshit but really besides that all he does is show up and fuck up Lois' marriage lmao this was my most anticipated movie ever as a kid, and I liked it besides I was pissed at the lack of action supes is my favorite and I always wanted him to kick some ass in a movie, and eventually Snyder gave me that at the cost of everything else lol I like that movie but entirely superficially. But coming back to this movie, I don't hate it. It's fine I just feel like I don't like what its saying or I entirely miss the point it's making. I like a lot about it, and its a great looking movie, just a missed opportunity. I like man of steel more for superficial action turn my brain off I finally got to see Superman fight and the stakes were what I'd imagine a superhero fight in a city would be, but this is a much better movie overall. Both are better than flyby would have been that script could give a fan aids. Krypton never blew up, luthor is an x files dude who is secretly a kryptonian, jor el and Clark die and meet in kryptonian heaven it's a mediocre elseworlds plot that would have made a infuriating movie
Lois & Clark The new adventures of Superman was a great show, too bad it was made before T.V. got good
In the movie TED, Patrick Stewart narrates that Sam Jones, Flash Gordon, shares a studio apartment with Brandon Routh. He goes, "Remember Brendan Routh!? He starred in that god awful SUPERMAN movie! I mean Jesus Christ, taking about getting your hopes up, and then taking a big shit on all of us!" Lol!!
I love Ted! It's not the best movie and the sequel isn't very good, but it's hilarious!! I wish Seth MacFarlane did more movies!
@@kdusel1991 I didn't even hate A Million Ways to Die in the West. It's not good but I chuckled a few times
This was an alright movie saw the teaser of a nativity story and spiderman 3 great times It was my 2nd year working at regal entertainment group and they took my pictures for regal entertainment group fun times
I liked this movie, it’s a nice movie
They were planning on doing a Batman/Superman with these guys. But Warner Brothers wanted to keep them separate. Then the MCU came out. Talk about fucking yourselves.
0:20 One of my favourite memes!
WROOOONG!!!
The problem with Superman Returns is Singer was trying to make the Donner world at a time when People wanted Nolan. Which is interesting because fast forward to 2013 and my dude Snyder brought his slick style to a darker/edgier Nolan type world and people cried out how Superman can’t be dark. Btw guys, I grew up on Smallville and it’s still my all time favorite superhero show. We can just agree to disagree on this video 😅.
It depends, there was spider man 2 at the time for example
I think the problem is that the movie was kind of slow
Also the fact it did nothing new didn't help.
This video is great! What a great addition to my day!
Love these long episodes
Can’t wait to watch this , the movie was awful aside from the plane rescue. Superman was basically a guest star , he never feels like the main character where we know what’s going on with him
Superman is a badass...fav superhero man
57:05 Tony does a “feel good ink”laugh.
This movie was okay for me, but really the stuff i liked about it are just the stuff that reminded me of the old Superman films, especially the Marlon Brando dialogue like his classic "They can be a great people" speech used in the teaser trailer and that whole "Son becomes the father" bit, too.
Without that stuff from the old films, I'd probably would rather watch Smallville.
Frank returns
The crystal growth thing should have been Brainaic W/ the EM pulse & he should have wanted to assimilate the Earth or something. It could have merged W/ Lex or something & slowly take over.
Like most of the SH genre, pre MCU, this isnt bad, its just alot is better & movies can usually DO more bigger
Also John Wayne Gacy was not a killer clown. He was a killer who happened to work as a clown. He never killed AS a clown.
Great video guys
The 9 for the r on the sign is all I can focus on lol
I only got 2 of each letter
How did you not mention Luthor and Kitty stranded on the island where he's thinking about eating her dog? Haha.
The greatest train-set scene to be portrayed in cinema is easily Brandon Dicamillo in the West Chester Philly classic 'Haggard'.
.."Okay scene production take-two, number four, black Oscar one-seven, take 5.."
Nice seeing Frank again.
Hurraaaaay! New episode!
Uh oh, I don't see a link to the Death of Superman Lives review! Tony must have said something that would have got him cancelled!
That documentary was entertaining, with some great interviews and previously unknown info, but it wasn't very well structured, like it was a rough cut.
kevin spacey was underrated in this one.
Good episode and cool to see Frank again!!
Weeeeee!! Frank!!
I listened to the whole video, Tony!
How is he still watching all of the Arrowverse shows but won't watch Smallville? Its far superior to all of those
It’s not that I won’t watch it. I just need to find the time to watch the full series. Arrowverse has just been a few episodes a week for 10 years as I follow along. One day I’ll get to smallville.
The Spider-man movies are a little different, with regards to rehashing the origin being rehashed.
As I understand it, the license Sony has restricts them to a trilogy, and if they stray beyond certain limits then the rights revert back to Marvel. Lord knows about now but that was the case for ages
Brandon Routh, Kate Bosworth and (SIGH) Kevin Spacey presented Best Hero to Christian Bale for Batman Begins back in 2006.
Back in the day they did comic adaptations of 1 and 2 with Lex drawn like Kevin Spacey and Supes in the new suit.. I imagined a sequel to Returns about terrorists using the “Island” to mine Kryptonite bullets, while Supes is on a mission to push it into the sun & Braniac shows up..
In the same film Superman is completely incapacitated by a shard of Kryptonite and flys a continent into space… as a kid and fan in the theater I was scratching my head. Should have been a fresh take on the material. The intro Tony describes would have helped maybe.
Glad to see Frank the hot Italian Stallion on the podcast today. What I hate is that Bryan Singer blamed Brandon for the movie tanking. Um, Singer needs to take a good look at himself an actor is as only good as what he's given to work with. So if Singer should blame someone it's himself I mean he cast Kate Bosworth as Lois Lane & she was horrible she didn't have the fire & sass like Teri Hatcher & Erica Durance's Lois. Even Amy Adams did a better job as Lois than her.