We need laws to protect our bodies while we are under anesthesia
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- Опубліковано 16 кві 2024
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go to www.atyourcervixmovie.com to watch a very good documentary on this topic.
For anyone who has just come across this video and feels the need to rebut, please read these comments first, please do a google search on “non consenting pelvic exam under anesthesia” , and “medical SA under anesthesia”. If you’d like to see thousands of comments - many who are victims, many who were MINORS when this happened, go to my tick tock (theflyingkitchen) where my videos have far more views. You can also watch my whole story over there if you want to take the time to do so. I cannot take each person who does not believe this is happening on - one-on-one. I just don’t have the time. Disrespect for me or any of the other victims here will be met with a very fast *block*. There are a lot of people who don’t want to believe this is happening and there are MORE who have assaulted women and girls under anesthesia and get very vicious knowing that their little secret is coming to light.
A couple more things:
NBC reported that in the last 5 years alone there have been at least 3.6 millions victims of SA under anesthesia.
On April 1, the HHS FINALLY published a “guideline” asking hospitals to get written informed consent before giving pelvic exams for teaching and research purposes under anesthesia, however that does not make it policy, that does not make it law. In most cases it will simply be buried in consent forms and if YOU fail to OPT OUT then it will be SA by default. Regardless, without oversight and LAW victims will have no recourse.
If I see anyone in the comments coming just to harass and play “devil’s advocate” especially to victims who have come forward with their stories, I’ll block immediately.
Additionally, if YOU see anyone harassing victims here, or if you are being harassed, please tag me under the comment and I will block them.
1) Harassment would include questioning "what constitutes SA"?
2) Harassment would include trying to explain away alarm - like "Oh that doctor meant well he's just from a different generation".
3) Harassment would include attempting to minimize someones outrage because of some perception that they are not "educated".
4) Harassment would include someone taking it upon themselves to represent the entire medical industry.
5) Harassment would include trying to minimize someone's alarm by assuming the INTENT of a medical professional - gleaning information for this assumption from a small paragraph of a victim relaying their story. You were not there. Let the victim feel however they want to feel.
Additionally, if you’re a physician who has “never heard of or seen this before” do us all a favor and learn about this before you sputter and spout in some feeble attempt to shame us all for being so outraged. No one is accusing YOU PERSONALLY, and like Shakespeare wrote in Hamlet “Thou protest too much”. Makes us wonder. Hmmmm.
Take the time to research for yourself instead of asking the people here to prove this to you or take you on in a debate. It is common knowledge that many patients are not happy with how they have been treated by the medical establishment. If you are a medical professional who feels compelled to act as a keyboard warrior (whether you feel it is benevolent or not) I suggest you get some mental health counseling. Trying to control a narrative at this stage is futile and will only make your institution look even more malicious. If you do have the emotional intelligence to self-reflect, do the entire world a favor and quietly read the comments here and turn your attention to your own industry, not victims who have been harmed by people who have sworn an oath to do no harm.
Thanks very much. - Розваги
For anyone who has just come across this video and feels the need to rebut, please read these comments first, please do a google search on “non consenting pelvic exam under anesthesia” , and “medical SA under anesthesia”. If you’d like to see thousands of comments - many who are victims, many who were MINORS when this happened, go to my tick tock (theflyingkitchen) where my videos have far more views. You can also watch my whole story over there if you want to take the time to do so. I cannot take each person who does not believe this is happening on - one-on-one. I just don’t have the time. Disrespect for me or any of the other victims here will be met with a very fast *block*. There are a lot of people who don’t want to believe this is happening and there are MORE who have assaulted women and girls under anesthesia and get very vicious knowing that their little secret is coming to light.
A couple more things:
NBC reported that in the last 5 years alone there have been at least 3.6 millions victims of SA under anesthesia.
On April 1, the HHS FINALLY published a “guideline” asking hospitals to get written informed consent before giving pelvic exams for teaching and research purposes under anesthesia, however that does not make it policy, that does not make it law. In most cases it will simply be buried in consent forms and if YOU fail to OPT OUT then it will be SA by default. Regardless, without oversight and LAW victims will have no recourse.
If I see anyone in the comments coming just to harass and play “devil’s advocate” especially to victims who have come forward with their stories, I’ll block immediately.
Additionally, if YOU see anyone harassing victims here, or if you are being harassed, please tag me under the comment and I will block them.
1) Harassment would include questioning "what constitutes SA"?
2) Harassment would include trying to explain away alarm - like "Oh that doctor meant well he's just from a different generation".
3) Harassment would include attempting to minimize someones outrage because of some perception that they are not "educated".
4) Harassment would include someone taking it upon themselves to represent the entire medical industry.
5) Harassment would include trying to minimize someone's alarm by assuming the INTENT of a medical professional - gleaning information for this assumption from a small paragraph of a victim relaying their story. You were not there. Let the victim feel however they want to feel.
Additionally, if you’re a physician who has “never heard of or seen this before” do us all a favor and learn about this before you sputter and spout in some feeble attempt to shame us all for being so outraged. No one is accusing YOU PERSONALLY, and like Shakespeare wrote in Hamlet “Thou protest too much”. Makes us wonder. Hmmmm.
Take the time to research for yourself instead of asking the people here to prove this to you or take you on in a debate. It is common knowledge that many patients are not happy with how they have been treated by the medical establishment. If you are a medical professional who feels compelled to act as a keyboard warrior (whether you feel it is benevolent or not) I suggest you get some mental health counseling. Trying to control a narrative at this stage is futile and will only make your institution look even more malicious. If you do have the emotional intelligence to self-reflect, do the entire world a favor and quietly read the comments here and turn your attention to your own industry, not victims who have been harmed by people who have sworn an oath to do no harm.
Thanks very much.
@@TheFlyingKitchen That’s insanely criminal. Please IMDb me. I had a six pack as a professional athlete. In 1994 my gallstones were removed and the Chief Surgeon mentioned how the surgery went almost an hour longer because my stomach was too tight for the instruments to get through the facia wall. What she didn’t tell me was they ripped me internally leading to a huge umbilical hernia. I didn’t figure out what actually happened many years too late. Also, Due to work related injuries im now disabled and been to the hospital countless times and received the worst care and get back home worse than what I went in for. I’ve been hurt and treated so badly I now refuse to even go to the hospital although I feel like I’m dying. But I’d rather wait on a miracle of healing than let those butchers hurt me again. I can only imagine how much of this happens on the regular. I’m so glad you found counsel -Godspeed to help your case. I will 🕯for you and every person in similar situation.
They do a lot of this when women are giving birth.
@@choosinghappy497 I was given an episiotomy ...
No actual need, no anaesthetic , no conversation, no choice.
Context: l didn't need it, the 1st time medical student was being forced to do it.
He was shaking so much he was shuddering.
You can imagine the rest.
Lifelong consequences.tno.
Do I understand you right?
They use our body for "study" while you are unconscious?
So they stick their hands fingers or what ever instruments in you?
This is not illegal?
At first I thought wtf are you talking about.
Of corse it's illegal to touch someone's sexual parts when they did not give consent.
Fucking Fuck.
Every day I get more disgusted with the medical field.
@@choosinghappy497 Yes, they do. No one should touch you before they ask for consent and you give it. Even in birth. I had two babies in Cambridge, England and I learned there that it's very possible to be completely respected when giving birth. Unless it's life or death NO ONE should be violating you. And even so, it should be explained to a patient that they are in peril before people start sticking their hands in her. Thank you for commenting and bringing up this issue.
I went in for eye surgery. I became aware of someone groping my thighs, breasts and vaginal area while I was still on the operating room table. I was supposed to be under anesthesia, so I guess whoever was groping on me thought I wouldn't feel and and wouldn't know. But I felt everything. I fought back, but they just put me under again. When I woke up, I had what was later determined to be an ulnar nerve injury to my inner right elbow. NEVER trust doctors or nurses when they smile and say that you can trust them! You can't! You're just trash to them. They molested me, injured my arm and laughed about it, gaslit me and told me that no one would believe me because of the anesthesia. They were right. Every lawyer that I talked to said the case was too hard to win. They got away with it free and clear, and my pain is just a joke. This happened at the IU Health Arnett Outpatient Surgery Center on McCarty Lane in Lafayette, IN. To hell with all of them.
Omg I’m so sorry. I’m so very sorry. My blood is boiling. There are too many of us. On one hand, it’s nice to know we are not alone. On the other hand it’s absolutely heartbreaking that it’s happening to SO MANY OF US. Would you be willing to allow me to share your story in my book? I agree, we cannot trust them. They lie right to our faces. And there sure are a lot of people who don’t want to believe this is real and won’t listen to us. I experienced that too. And I took my case to NCIS and they launched a 20 month NCIS investigation into that hospital just to tell me (and learn themselves) that IT’S NOT ILLEGAL. It’s sickening. Absolutely sickening. I’m so sorry you were treated so horribly. You are not alone. They cannot fight all of us.
I just read your story it’s SO WRONG!!
@@Lynn.hopeful10 thank you so much for supporting the victims who are being extremely courageous in sharing their stories. ❤️
Awful and criminal
Been to that town. Good food, but most people there are horrible. Stay away from there people holy hell
I was a Navy Wife back in 1984 when I was scheduled for a c-section with my second child at Portsmouth Naval Hospital. I’m lying on the O.R. table, strapped down due to having a spinal anesthesia. All of a sudden, the O.R. doors burst open with a long line of corpsmen rushing in. I totally freaked out. Nobody asked my permission! The attending surgeon cockily told me they were there to witness my c-section for their medical education. I was totally shocked that I wasn’t allowed the courtesy of being asked. What should have been a joyful event turned into a stressful one.
I’m so sorry. That was terrible, disrespectful and upsetting.
I’m Hawaii. I was always notified.!
@@main2333 I'm very glad you had an ethical experience.
That's horrific..
Oh my goodness! I would have screamed at the very top of my lungs for everyone not physically involved in the C-section to f* out of there! You should sue for psychological distress!
I was assaulted by a female obgyn during an examination because she thought I was a slut because I was trying to hide years of childhood s*x abuse. We also need to talk about the effect of childhood and adulthood assault on childbirth outcomes and the ptsd triggers and how insensitive and cruel the attending nurses and doctors can be.
OMG, this is so horrible. I'm so sorry that happened to you. She was absolutely wrong and had no right to force you into anything. Yes, we do need to talk about that. I'm here to listen, and I welcome your thoughts. Thank you for being here and thank you for your comment. We need to fight this for everyone, but especially for those who have been victimized before. The medical establishment needs to know how this adversely affects our well-being and quality of life. I'm so sorry. You deserved better then, you deserve better now.
No kidding! I have never felt easy about OBGYN exams. Many of these doctors dont even explain that most cervical cancers are STDs and that if you've had many negatives and one partner they're pretty much not needed. Also those pelvic exams? The doctors can't even feel your ovaries! She admitted this but said I'd continue to need these stupid exams well into my 70s! She also pushed mammograms and did nothing for my vaginal dryness.
I didn't want to make a public comment about this but you are not alone. I was military drugged and raped by a group in my squadron. I lasted a few more years but after I got out civilian and VA Drs would examine me with such disgust over the scarring . I told one what caused it and they softened toward me immediately but Drs should be trained to recognize that's from abuse not voluntary ! ❤🙏❣️
@@ce1581 I’m so very sorry. Thank you so much for adding to this conversation. The more of us who come out and speak about our experiences, the more we will help others know they are not alone. I’m so sorry you were so failed everyone. I really appreciate you being here. Thank you so much.
THIS 🙏🕊️
I live in Colorado, and looked this up just now. I'm VERY relieved to say that Colorado passed a law last year that requires expressed written consent from the patient before this happens. They will also be given the name(s) of the student(s) who will perform the exam, and will also meet the student(s) in person beforehand. I was very happy to discover this because I will probably be put under to have a HUGE kidney stone removed soon.
Yes! Colorado has by far the BEST laws to date. Colorado’s laws are now the model. Really, Colorado is the only place in the U.S. now where a patient really can rest easy. I’m very glad you are safe!
Please be sure, still, not to let anyone rush you through consent forms. And please pay attention to the consent forms. We still have a long way to go before the CULTURE of this practice is wiped out.
Just because you sign NO, who is to stop them from doing it any way? Many doctors still decry 'what's the harm'. They really don't care.
@@kimlandefeld3005 and this is true. Until there is proper oversight, they will not be held accountable and victims will not have recourse.
@@TheFlyingKitchenWhat kind of oversight do you propose?
Before asking you this question there was a comment that I left where I believe people want their family members in the room that should be a right that we MUST have. Only thing with that is some people can think that the sight of blood or at the smell of certain things so what else can we do aside from that? What oversight do you propose ? There are just people that are bought out and you can't trust so that's why I say family member or someone you personally know.
I was 13 years old, when a dermatologist told my mother to leave the exam room so he could “examine me”. He told me to remove all of my clothes, and he “examined” and photographed my entire body. I’ve never spoke of this, and I’ve never trusted anyone in a white coat again. This was the 1970’s and these predators are everywhere.
I‘m so sorry. While skin checks are common care from dermatologists, this was an overreach. You were a child. This man was a perv. Having your mother leave the room and him taking photos was absolutely inappropriate. I‘m so sorry. This just boils my blood. Thank you very much for sharing your story. This video doesn‘t really have that many views, and already there are dozens of victims, if not hundreds that have commented in just a span of about 20 hours. This should be an indication of how widespread the culture of SA is in the medical establishment. We must demand more safety, we must demand more laws, oversight and accountability, and recourse for ourselves and all of the minors that are still being preyed upon.
@@TheFlyingKitchen There’s a big case from Columbia University that I just watched a video about. It took decades for any of the women assaulted by a doctor known for completely inappropriate behavior around patients.
And finally informing them along with a fund for some kind of reimbursement.
It’s telling that it’s more common in some countries than others.
Better in the UK and Germany. Wonder if it’s as bad in Canada, too.
@@Ketowski thank you so much. I’m going to look it up. I never thought there was THIS much SA in the medical setting. Every day I’m given more leads. Thanks for your comment and thank you for being here.
The nerve! Oh, so a doc can bring 20 students to the room, to look at you and feel you but he tells your own mother to leave!! A p@€do indeed. 😡
It’s difficult to press “like” because it’s such a difficult subject matter, but it’s necessary for the algorithms so more people know about this.
Yes. Thank you so much for the engagement.
Ugh I feel this so much. I always feel weird liking sad videos, but the engagement like you said legitimately helps. 😢
with videos like this, i don't think of the like button as a "like" button. i think of it more as a "recommendation or promotion button. because this needs a MILLION views, more people need to see this. EVERYONE needs to see this.
@@bottomofastairwell thank you. Every single American should know this is going on and every single American should see the heartbreaking stories of victims here on this thread and over on my tick tock. We should all be outraged.
I was assaulted in an emergency room, fully awake, in the presence of a nurse. I presented with back pain and a history of UTI's. I was put on an exam table with a nurse WHO KNEW MY MOTHER present, and the gloveless doctor stuck his fingers in my body without warning. I was shocked and the nurse turned her head. He washed his hands, told me to put my bottoms on, and that he'll write an antibiotic prescription and I'd get a shot for the pain. I thought he was just going to use a speculum maybe and take a culture. Why would I need a digital pelvic exam for a UTI? I cried when he left the room and the nurse was just red face and didn't say a word. I was 17 with an as yet undiagnosed kidney infection. I still don't see why be needed to do that and maybe teenage virgin me was a bit too sensitive, but I took that to heart and it hurt me. I cried over it for days and at 40 years old, it still hurts me. I messes me to to think about my oral surgery years later, from which I awoke hysterical and was told it's just the anesthesia.
Omg I’m so sorry. I’m so so sorry. That was absolutely assault and that nurse failed you. You were not too sensitive. The unethical practice of sticking their hands up non-consenting and unconscious women has given every perpetrator out there a culture of SA to perpetrate under. And that nurse has probably seen it so much she knew that speaking up would get her or you nowhere so she’d rather pretend to your face it was nothing or didn’t happen - further a*using you, and gaslighting you - making you doubt yourself. I’m so sorry. They all failed you. My blood is boiling. You deserved better.
@TheFlyingKitchen thank you for that and I'm sorry for what you've been through. I'm watching your latest video and grabbing a couple of those books for my daughter's sake. We have to break the collective "white coat syndrome"...and thank you for bringing up Larry Nasser. He really deserves a special spot in this conversation and hell if there was one.
No my dear, you were not too sensitive. That is a traumatic violation, I'm so sorry.
Something like this happened to me when I was 15 and the Dr straight up said "I get to be the first man in there" and then said "Your future boyfriend will be happy with how tight you are".... I almost punched him in the face and a nurse restrained me.
@@Meskarune omg I’m so sorry. So very sorry. That was absolutely wrong.
Omg! Terrible! I’m a medical student, and I would NEVER lay hands on a patient unless I asked their permission! Even when women are in labor, I always ask “this is a huge day for you; would you be comfortable with me being in the room as a part of your medical team?” I’m very sorry you went through this 😢
I’m so glad you are not being pressured into this. From what I’ve learned there are students that are forced into this practice. Go to atyourcervixmovie.com to watch a very good documentary that explains what’s been going on.
My spouse and I had the same minor outpatient procedure scheduled at the same time at the same facility, and the staff were very kind and friendly. Just because my husband deemed the staff's friendliness to be unprofessional, he insisted that he have the procedure with local sedation only instead of anaesthesia while next to me after I had already been put under anaesthesia. All went well, but he said that he could tell just by how their demeanor instantly turned dour that they were up to no good and he had spoiled their fun. I can't say that I agree with him--I believe in innocent until proven guilty--but I'm grateful for having had my husband's protection when I was vulnerable.
I wish we could all have this kind of protection. I'm very glad that you were safe.
I am glad that your husband stayed awake although it is likely that they were mad that they couldn't play music and the anaesthesiologist couldn't play on their phone. Your husband just became their temporary boss, lol. I sure don't like people looking over my shoulder while I work either, but if they did have other plans, then it is good your husband made that choice
@@higurashikai09 I appreciate you restoring my faith in humanity. Like I said, they were well behaved when I was conscious. My spouse and I both come from cultures that conflate a casual demeanor with a disrespectful demeanor, and we live in a nation where that equation we were both raised with tends to be a false one. I'm glad he trusted his instincts this time, and you're probably right.
They were going to hurt you, but thankfully your husband saved you! Vile, vile people. Did you make a complaint?
Am former longtime Victim Advocate, and medical wife, and your story chills me to the core. I am so very sorry, but glad you listened to your intuition and protective instincts. Bless you both. 🙏🕊️
This is insane to me. I have been an OR nurse for 12 years (primarily Peds but adult and peds CVOR the last two years), and I have NEVER heard or seen this. I am so sorry that is heartbreaking and not okay. As an OR nurse it is my job to advocate on behalf of my patients, and you better belive I would have said something if I ever saw someone attempting anything like that. So sorry this happened, and thank you for bringing awareness to this issue.
I have had nurse friends all my life and none of them knew this happened. Their feelings of betrayal are like those of the victims. But there are plenty of nurses who do know it happens, and they enable it. I think a lot of them are in duress and feel they could lose their jobs. Thank you for advocating for your patients.
@@TheFlyingKitchen do you know about this happening in other countries like in europe?
@@fran791 well, I know it’s illegal in the EU and the UK. Although I have received commenters from both these places who have had terrible experiences. So the question is, were those anomalies? I’m still not sure but I am investigating.
@@fran791I'm from Singapore. TWICE, the healthcare system failed me like this.
@@CatineSkyi Oh no, I'm so sorry. That's horrible. You are the first commenter from Asia saying something like this happened to you. I'm so sorry.
This is disgusting in 2024 wtf is happening in the US may God give you and everyone this has happened to justice and healing
Thank you. It’s happening by the thousands every day.
We let our enemies in.
What do you mean? Lobotomies were still performed not too long ago..
They claim that an anesthetized patient doesn't have the muscles tensing, so they REALLY want to do this so they can 'feel' what the organs are like. What they REALLY learn is how to disallow the humanity of the patient. WE ALL NEED TO HAVE ADVOCATES WITH US AT ALL STAGES OF OUR SURGERY. Not someone THEY hire, but someone who works for US. Maybe a retired doctor or nurse that won't put up with any garbage. Just like you posted, HHS just declared that this practice MUST have specific informed consent, or no Medicare or Medicaid payments. BUT, also, as you point out, they are so entrenched in this assault, that they will BURY the consent deep in the documents you sign just before surgery. Even if you decline, who is there to make sure they follow our directive? NO ONE.
Yes, thank you for your thoughtful and affirming comment. I really appreciate it. You are 100% correct. Medical ethics experts have been warning the medical establishment for YEARS that once we all find out, there will be a tidal wave of outrage and distrust. The medical establishment ignored them anyway. So now, they are really going to have to give us REAL safety and assurance. They will need to prove to us that we HAVENT been assaulted. This is their mess. They need to clean it up (for real). We will not let them get away with downplaying our outrage and we will not let them gaslight us into thinking we are all just “hysterical “.
Yes you're right. We need health advocates and I know just the one where I live. She takes no prisoners, is a nurse.
@@NidaKazmi there you go! You do need prior approval, but the paperwork is worth it.
the system was built for predators by predators
Seems so, but the gaslighting continues. Now we are supposed to believe that they REALLY MEAN WELL but that the entire industry is a mess. Yes, we know. And since they cannot clean up their own house we will raise an army of outrage and make them clean up their own house. My God, the ineptitude here is scary - laughable, but scary. If other civilized countries can have transparency and give patients agency and recourse, then the US can too.
THANK YOU FOR POSTING THIS!!! There is No Safe Place for Women, NONE. I had a pelvic exam Awake (age 19), but had been in a life altering car accident, so I was completely immobile. I was literally Screaming (broken pelvis) bc they Had to do a Pelvic Exam for a Car Accident Before an X-ray; you figure it out, bc I can't. I've laid on a table & had Over 10 students, 8 Male, 2 Female 'Examining' me during medical testing, so I Was Awake, just out of it. It was Humiliating & Scary. It's like it's the Standard, if an office Can do a Pelvic they'll Make Sure to do it; even in instances where it makes No Sense, & if there can be an Audience, there will be. I have a medical condition that Causes unconsciousness, & once woke up to the EMT's (all male) exposing me & leaving me like that & Wheeling me to the ambulance half naked for all to see. No respect. As a woman, & ex-healthcare worker, I can say women's 'healthcare' is nothing but a device in torture. If there's Anything I can do to stop this w/ you, Please post ideas/suggestions, bc I'm In👍🏼❤️.
OMG that is HORRIFIC. I'm absolutely crushed for you. I'm so very sorry. Yep, they all want to stick their hands in any woman (or girl) they can. That's certainly what is being made clear in all the comments here and on other apps. Yes, please help me by emailing me at shannon@theflyingkitchen.com . If it's okay with you, I'd like to include your story in my book. If you can just include "book project" in the title, that would be great. Other than that, spread awareness. They have gotten away with this for so long because people just haven't known and physicians get VERY defensive when it's brought up. Also, the medical establishment has been and is always lobbying to keep laws and oversight out of hospitals and OR's. They cannot fight all of us. This is sick and it must stop. Thank you for sharing your story. People need to know this is happening.
I was r*ped at the Cleveland Clinic. It wasn't an exam in my case, the doctor gave me pills, lied about what they were, and I woke up to him attacking me. There are no protections in place to prevent this from happening to patients! The doctor who attacked me had attacked other women who came forward and tried to press charges, but large organizations like CC can make these charges go away entirely. There is absolutely nothing done in medical settings when you are unconscious to stop doctors from doing whatever they want to you.
As far is "medical training" goes, one has to wonder why there are no accusations from men of huge numbers of students coming in to do prostate exams one after another while they were under, or why people aren't waking up to find other exams being performed. Why, when so few doctors go into gynecology are so many doctors needing to learn how to perform pelvic exams? Obviously it's not just that it's not consensual -- it's clearly not really being done for training purposes at all. Though I can say that I have experienced non-consensual "training" before while conscious -- medical students filling into the room where I was naked for a skin check, having only asked the doctor if they could.
I'm so horrified for you. I'm outraged. My blood is boiling. I'm so sorry. "There is absolutely nothing done in medical settings when you are unconscious to stop doctors from doing whatever they want to you." That is exactly right, and that is the crux of the issue. With the mess of confusion of guidelines vs. policy, laws and oversight, multiple loopholes, all tangled under a precedent of a blatant culture of SA, we have NOTHING. No justice, no recourse. Would you consider allowing me to include your story in my book? If you are willing, please email me at shannon@theflyingkitchen.com .
"Why, when so few doctors go into gynecology are so many doctors needing to learn how to perform pelvic exams? Obviously it's not just that it's not consensual -- it's clearly not really being done for training purposes at all". This. Exactly this. They are obsessed with v@ginas, every size, every age. It's insane. And for what? I have comments over on my tick tock of women and minor girls being "given pelvic exams" (SA'd) while they are in the ER for a head injury...under anesthesia getting their tonsils out at age 12 by a ENT.....for any reason at all. By an orthopedic surgeon during a knee surgery. It's absolutely for their sick curiosity and what really boils my blood is that it's happening SO OFTEN to minors. To the point where they are ripped up - hymen broken. We all deserve better. I'm so sorry this has happened to you. I'm so glad you commented. I hope you are ok. The more stories like this that get told, the faster we can put an end to this. Please take care.
I’m also very sorry this happened to you. Shannon’s comments echo my thoughts and feelings about what you experienced. It’s so unfortunate that these medical bodies have so much political power that it overrides the very patients they’re supposed to serve.
Hopefully the current attention will now begin to shift that tide. Like books and videos about this.
I once woke up in the middle of my hysterectomy procedure---it was like my very soul was trying to intervene and I was abruptly terrified because there were all these people leaning in around me and they were at the stage in the procedure where they were irrigating my *agina through the incision made in my lower belly.
The image was so graphic and horrifying to behold and the atmosphere was so loud...I remember falling back down against the bed as I passed back out. I found the whole experience so traumatizing that my mind effectively repressed the entire event for a good week! But stuck in recovery and reading through the comments in the doctor's post-op report, I read that they apparently had to 'restrain' me at one point due to the anesthesia wearing off towards the end of the procedure, along with a very brief comment mentioning I had begun to 'resist.' Whatever that meant.. All of a sudden the whole ugly scene came flooding back into my head and I felt my stomach tighten into a cold ball of rage, confusion, and ultimately that of the same medical violation you speak of. I was a 26 year-old virgin when I was rushed into having this operation due to a large grapefruit sized fibroid tumor having been found in my uterus. It's been five years since that black day and while, for whatever reason, I've remained a virgin-- I have begun to heal as best I can.
I'm sorry for the 12-page post..bless you if you've even made it this far. I love you all and offer you my deepest sympathies for what you've suffered at the hands of these despicable beings in our most vulnerable of institutions. I had no idea it was this rampant 😭. Light and swift healing to you all--I pray justice and karma are equally as swift in the eradication of these predatory-vermin who now lurk within the very hallowed walls of our (once) most unquestionally trusted resources for anyone experiencing whatever painful, frighteningly vulnerable circumstances that have befallen them. And to think--as if whatever it is deemed serious enough to warrent a surgical operation isnt difficult enough in of itself--- now we have a truly traumatizing possibility to fear: medical rape. As women, it all just really makes me want to ask: will we ever (in the broadest sense of the concept) really be safe?
Thank you so much for sharing your story here. I’m so very sorry this happened. Here, and over on my TT app, I’ve been so privileged to be entrusted with your stories. Would you consider allowing me to include your story in the book I am writing? You could be completely anonymous. So many of us, too many, are just now finding answers to the questions that have haunted us for so long. THEY, everyone needs to know that we are truly traumatized by these experiences and our quality of life is greatly diminished, especially when we are gaslit, psychologically abused and lied to when we wake up. Thank you so much, again for sharing this horrible experience you went through. Every voice that steps forward and says “me too” brings us closer to ending this horrendous treatment. We deserve better. We deserve safety. We shouldn’t have to trade our mental health for physical health. Shame on all the people who take part in this.
Horrendous!!!! 😱😱😱😱😱😱
@@SatumainenOlentothank you for supporting the victims who have so bravely shared their stories.
i am so deeply sorry on behalf of God that this happened to you dear sister. You are a beautiful soul and only deserve kindness and respect. My heart weeps for your pain and the deep grotesque ignorance of those who would do you and your innocent beautiful soul harm. I hope you can learn how to trust again and find people worth trusting. You deserve it. There are good people in the world. Love Aurora
@@TheFlyingKitchendear channel host, I am so very sorry this has happened to you. Thank you profoundly for making me aware of this danger. My friend died mysteriously under anasthesia in Colorado during covid and she did not wish to be vyxd bc she is allergic to most pharmaceuticals to a severe degree. I am concerned they got her in her sleep. I wonder if you can wear hidden camera or audio device!! Thats what i would do! I would braid that thing into my pubic hair! Lol
I had no idea there are so many abusers! Thank you again from the bottom of my heart for helping others out of this horrific situation. You are a great soul for choosing this path. Love Aurora
There NEED to be cameras in ORs, just like how police officers wear bodycams. When you are trusting someone with your health or safety, there should be absolutely no room for mistreatment to occur.
I agree 100%. The medical establishment will fight this, but at this point, what else can they do to assure us that they we are safe? Take their word for it? Ha.
They are making a law in Washington that makes pelvic exams under anesthesia without prior written consent illegal, I can’t believe that’s not already a given, but I guess they can sometimes get away with listing it as a pelvic exam for whatever reason. It doesn’t fly as easily in California though, nonconsensual pelvic exams are illegal and are prosecuted and we have lawyers that specialize in it. There was a doctor doing this in San Diego that was just sentenced to 17 years in prison. They all should be.
Good. This should be the model everywhere. Thank you for sharing this.
My fear is, even though a patient has to "consent" in writing by federal law now, this specific procedure might be buried somewhere in the endless forms among many other mentioned facts, and expressed in vague language ('Your examination or procedure may be used for educational purposes') or some shit like that. And patients who don't know about this will just look it over & sign. Thank God for you for making these videos & informing us, I'm telling everyone I know.
A doctor once felt me up with a gloveless finger, claiming to examine me. It took me a moment to understand what was going on. He was also a friend. I haven’t thought of this in a long time and never knew how to process it.
I'm so terribly sorry. This is a horrible memory to have to have in the front of your mind. Thank you for sharing this, as every victim who speaks out will help us enact real laws to protect us. I'm very very sorry that happened to you. And from a friend too. Double betrayal. That was absolutely wrong. Please know you are not alone.
Are there any whistleblowers? If so many are doing it, someone has to be disturbed enough to speak out. Are there any lawsuits? Minors can't consent no matter what form they sign. This is the first time I've heard anything like this and I am very angry.
From what I understand whistleblowers risk losing their jobs. Many states are trying at add whistleblower protection to their laws, but few are being passed. There are no lawsuits because this is not unlawful. It’s unethical, but it’s not unlawful. I took my case to NCIS (it happened in a military hospital) and after a 20 month investigation the verdict was that nothing unlawful happened. The saddest thing is that this is happening to a lot of minors. If you go to my tick tock (theflyingkitchen) you’ll find a lot more of my videos of this subject there, with thousands of comments, many by victims, many by minors. It’s horrifying. Also for a quick way to learn about this, go to atyourcervixmovie.com for a very good documentary on this subject.
I feel the same, the Complicity, No one speaking out about this is Very disturbing… All Doctors know this..? Any fellow Aussie’s out there can enlighten me about this Violation in Australia, how common is this Medical rape?
This is literally the definition of sexual assault.
It sure is. But watch how the medical establishment will act all bu** hurt that we are mad at them. It‘s already begun to show up in this comment thread.
@TheFlyingKitchen I already had a dislike of doctors but this really seals the deal.
Brand new video here about SA cover ups in military hospitals: ua-cam.com/video/1GuCR3UCDzI/v-deo.htmlsi=TW_SlkrefUuucrsX
When i was around 10, i was put under for two ingrown tonail surgeries at once.
When i woke up, i knew that my underwear had been shifted. They had been opened, and i felt uncomfortable down there, as if someone had messed with me when i was under.
Knowing what i know now, i honestly wouldn't doubt someone did something.
I'm very sorry. If it was legit, like a catheter, they should have told you and gotten consent for that. But the fact that you still remember this is EXACTLY why they should get our full, informed, face to face consent. If something else happened, i'm very sorry. Over on my Tick Tock there are thousands of comments, many from victims and many from people who were minors when this happened to them. I'm very sorry and it really must stop. This affects our wellbeing and quality of life. None of us should have to wonder if we were assaulted while under anesthesia. None of us should have one shred of doubt in our minds.
You don't get put under for ingrown toenails. When they said they had to do that, your parents should have questioned it and/or went elsewhere.
@@medusaeq In all fairness, they cut into my toe and removed some of the nail bed. It was a lengthy procedure.
this is beyond traumatic. I can't believe this is something "doctors" would do but it is starting to not surprise me anymore, people are capable of doing the most horrible things, and the worse is that they make fun of the victims afterwards, saying very awful things about their bodies and laugh at their pain. Hopefully people who suffered this get justice and measures to stop this from happening.
They are horrible. And they do mock victims. One commenter over on tick tock said that she woke up from anaesthesia from a surgery that was NOT near her pelvis and her V was torn and bleeding (not from her period). She asked the nurse why she was torn and bleeding and the nurse told her it was „a side effect from anaesthesia“. That patient was being made fun of. It‘s terrible and it needs to stop. South Korea has installed cameras in all their ORs because of wide spread SA, and the medical establishment DOES NOT WANT THIS and they’ve opposed every single bill meant to protect patients. That should tell us everything we need to know. What they fear the most is people like us being outraged, and demanding stronger laws. They say it will impede their ability to practice medicine. Their institution has lost their ability to govern themselves by ethical standards (and they know it), and now it‘s up to us to spread awareness so all SA stops. We need laws, we need cameras in ORs we need justice and restitution. Every single American needs to know this is happening.
If “Protect this woman at all costs!” was ever appropriate
Thank you.
My husband is retired Air Force. I met him in 1988 and we got married in 1989. I’ve had 3 surgeries in military hospitals but I’ve always been bothered about a surgery I was done at Travis AFB. It was only supposed to take an hour but it took 5 hours. I was extremely over sedated when the doctors were trying to wake me up in the recovery room and they were having major problems trying to get to stay awake. My body felt almost paralyzed and I couldn’t even move without being pulled up. I was either naked or practically naked at the time. This is odd for waking up in any recovery room in any hospital, not just military. Travis AFB is known to be a teaching hospital, or at least it was in the 90s. I have wondered about that ordeal for a long time. My reason for the surgery is because lower jaw had to be moved forward and other facial bones had to be aligned.
I‘m so very sorry. I absolutely understand how you feel. My appendectomy in a military hospital was a 30 minute procedure but I was under anaesthesia for 4-5 hours. This is a horrible injustice because the longer we are under anaesthesia, the more we are at risk. I‘ve learned that THAT alone is grounds for a malpractice suit. What I believe happened to me is that I was kept under for hours to be used as a teaching and research tool. It makes no sense that you were unclothed almost or totally in recovery. I‘m so sorry. I‘m horrified for you. This needs to stop. Using women as „teaching and research tools“ is just a way of saying „multiple SA‘s“ and it‘s been a closely guarded secret in the medical industry. This is why I‘m speaking out about this. I don‘t know if it would help you, but I have recorded my entire story and it‘s over on my tick tock (theflyingkitchen). I actually went and got a grape kit done the day I woke up from anaesthesia. I really appreciate you sharing your story here, and I understand how hard it is to talk about, so thank you. It helps. Every single victim story helps. The medical establishment AND LAWMAKERS need to know that this affects our well-being profoundly, it traumatizes us. It needs to stop. We need safety, laws, recourse and restitution. The medical establishment does not care how this affects our well-being. I learned that the day I woke up from anaesthesia and was screamed down by hospital leadership for asking too many questions. They‘ve made a lifelong enemy out of me and I will fight for every last one of us. But the first thing we need to do is make sure every single American knows that this is happening. No doubt the reaction of the medical industry will be them painting themselves as the victim because we are being „mean and ungrateful“, but medical ethics experts have been warning the medical establishment for years that this systematic SA must stop. No one listened. I‘m so very sorry this happened to you, and the mere fact that it still weighs on your psyche is EXACTLY why they should be made to prove to us that we HAVE NOT been assaulted. The burden of proof should lie squarely on their shoulders. Thank you again, for sharing your story. It helps. It really does. Would you consider allowing me to include it in my book? My email is shannon@theflyingkitchen.com . Please use „book project“ in the title line. No pressure, your choice, totally. I hope you are doing ok. Please take care.
Yes
After a procedure I got I had a deep feeling this had been done
I’m so sorry. Those of us that are very intuitive know.
@@Jmacdonald2386 bro could you be any more out of touch??? it’s called INSTINCT, which ALL humans have and ISN’T a guess. it’s called recognizing patterns and putting two and two together. i didn’t want to help my grandmother’s sex offender husband help make their bed in the back room, but i suppose that was in my head too 🖕🤦♀️ the kind of person you have to be to be so passionate about speaking against people speaking out against SA really says a lot about you
How in the world in such an EXPENSIVE healthcare system are these things happening??!!!! Aaarrgghhh what a huge disrespect to the people!!!
Yes!! And with so much SA-ing women and girls under anesthesia for “teaching” and “research” we sure get abysmal healthcare. So it must not be teaching them much!
Yeah after being assaulted you're also required to pay them thousands of dollars! You can't even get out of it bc they'll garnish your wages
@@millersam07yes!
I knew about this in my research for childbirth. Had two home births. My local hospital is not a teaching hospital, but I had a friend who experienced birth rape at this hospital. The doctor was removed from local practice due to others complaining, but there was no legal recourse.
I’m so sorry for your friend. Yes, there is NO RECOURSE for us. That has to change.
What is "birth rape" supposed to be
😠😡🤬😫 Birth rape? What kind of sick man would rape a woman right after giving birth! I would have my husband video my baby's birth & anything the Dr.s were doing for proof nothing shady happened! American medical system is so dirty & wrong & messed up. A woman is not a mannequin student Drs can just stick their hands into. This is Maddening! I'd sue the hell out of Any Dr or bunch of Drs who Violated me that way. Especially getting raped while being under anesthesia. Read your fine print people!
Same question as Mompreneur, please
@@MompreneurDiary just google it.
My phobia of needles and being under anesthesia seems justified now. I am fifteen years old. Now I have to be scared of what doctors will do to me while I’m not aware? I’m a literal child.
Tell the adults in your life and direct them here and to my tick tock (theflyingkitchen). You deserve strong adult advocates and protection. I am fighting this fight so my daughters are protected. You all deserve to be safe and protected from this. We will all fight for you.
I understand the fear! I had 2 major procedures done around age 15-16 and another around 19 and I was still a virgin. Thank God they left me intact.
This is too frightening.
I would insist on having an adult present in the room since you are underage. I’m sorry this is even an issue.
@@avril.227 Yes.
I'm so glad you are learning about this while you are still young. Never have general anesthesia for any reason! Please make sure that you have a guardian who cares with you at all times when you are being examined. If you can do natural health and practice prevention, you may be able to avoid allopathic medicine entirely! That's what I do.
Write your book Hon. I will buy it to support you. This is awful. I need to have surgery this year for a hernia and it freaks me out.
Thank you
@@TheFlyingKitchen Yes, please write your book, as I am writing my book about Karma!
This is insane. I’m going what the actual eff? I’m so sorry you experienced this. I’m in another country & the more I read about the US medical system the more disgusted I am for all of you who have to depend on it. Sending you strength & love.
Thank you
It's likely not just the US.
I think I'm really happy to be argentine now...
@@Why12318are we sure that it doesn't happen in other countries tho?
Thank you, bless you.
I was told a story about this happening by one of my work colleagues. I was rightfully horrified, and all I can think of is her face when I asked if she can report this somehow and hold them to account, she just looked at me with eyes that looked dead inside, and said "no one will believe me, and if they do they won't care." It haunts me even now, and even though I said "I care."
Yes. Yes, I know that feeling. The day I woke up from surgery and found a huge amount of synthetic lubricant all up in me and everywhere, I knew something had happened. I had hoped it would be explained to me. And when I asked, and it wasn’t (they didn’t answer me) I got a r*ape kit done. Then i took my case to NCIS (I was at a Naval Hospital). 20 month investigation, nothing. My hospital records wiped down to 3 sentences. I was under anesthesia for 4-5 hours for a 30 minute appendectomy. Nothing in my records to indicate that I was under that long. Totally untraceable. I was screamed down by hospital leadership for asking too many questions. I’m a Colonel’s wife. They tried to psychologically break me. You can watch my whole story on my tick tock (theflyingkitchen). It’s long. 4 hours. But I explained every way this impacted my life and my family. The depression. The never knowing. How I found out this is what they do. If you can find that colleague- please, send her here. I would like to talk to her. She can watch my videos and my story to decide if she will trust me. I want to connect with her so she can know she is not alone. That’s why I’m fighting back. That’s why I’ve gone public with my whole story, even though I’m getting threats and harassment from the medical establishment. “Eyes that looked dead inside”. Yes. I know. I know. The entire world needs to know what this does to our lives, our well-being. I would not be surprised at all if some women decided to end their lives over it. It really is harming us that badly. Please try and find her. I want to meet her. Please.
Thank you for caring. We can win, but we all must know about this, and we all must care.
Thank you for bringing up this unfortunatrly necessary and uncomfortable subject.
Thank you for listening.
I was SA’d by a male obgyn about 15 years ago. I have surgery this Friday for fibroids and my current (female) obgyn literally said to me that students might examine me while I was under anesthesia. She didn’t give me the option to opt out. I need this surgery badly. But I am SO SCARED for whatever will happen to me in a few days while I’m out. Your video just randomly popped into my feed, so it must be a sign.
Please try to find a different obgyn instead if you can. I know you need this surgery, but it's disgusting how your current obgyn won't let you opt out. You shouldn't have to do anything that would make you feel uncomfortable or violate your privacy. If you absolutely cannot miss this appointment, try to bring someone with you who you can trust.
I'm very sorry you were SA'd where you should have been completely safe and cared for . That's terrible. About your upcoming surgery - this has red flags all over it. Please do not do this if she is forcing you to allow people to examine you - this is coersion and it is unethical. I'm wondering why she told you that students might examine you. She may be trying to get around the new HHS guidelines requiring hospitals to allow us to OPT OUT of being used as teaching and research tools. If she is trying to intimidate you into not OPTING OUT of being used, then she needs to be reported. Regardless, she needs to be reported anyway. This is wrong. Thank you very much for commenting.
@@Baba-oi5lc Yes, this is coersion and it is unethical. This obgyn should be reported.
Tell them ‘NO’. Unless this is something YOU want. I would have my phone on record and tell them that while the phone is recording - as long as you are in a state that allow 1 person consent - you are good - not a lawyer, so take with a grain of salt and do your own research. Absolutely ridiculous, even for a teaching hospital, to do this without your consent. Heck, are you getting a discount for every student. 😊
Advocate for yourself!!
This happened to a friend in her 90's just about three years ago!! Horrendous! She had been damaged! At least our state passed the law against it the following year or two.
Omg im so sorry. Yes, I’ve been told by many that they come away injured and ripped. It’s absolutely devastating. I’m glad your state has passed a law, but please still be very careful with consent forms. Most of these laws are very flimsy, and the patient still does not have adequate protection or recourse. Be sure to read consent forms very carefully. I’m so sorry for your friend. I’m just horrified that a 90 year old woman would be used. This is a nightmare.
I got asked if one med student could watch my hysterectomy and signed a very specific consent form for it. I'm glad I was asked and you are right that people do volunteer.
And if that student was to lay one finger on you, you should have been given a chance to consent (or not) to that as well.
Medical ethics experts have been saying for years that when asked, most patients agree to help. They have been warning the medical establishment for years that tricking us into being used will only break trust. They were right. The medical establishment has not listened and opposed every law that state legislatures have written.
@@TheFlyingKitchenthat's what's so horrifying about this. So many people are willing to help, especially if it will help other people. I remember when I had an OBGYN exam, and they asked me two different times if a resident could come in. I was more than happy to let them come in, if it would help somebody else. Even asked me in the room again, as the student got closer to my body if they were okay with them getting up close.
That's how it's supposed to be. Clear consent about what is going to happen, and what could potentially happen...😢
You're so right this stuff needs to be legislated... Humanity has proven over and over again, that we do not do the right thing often and legislation is often required to force people - (especially corporate bound entities which is what most of the health are system is in the USA) to do what is right.
I hope theres a petition started and mentioned in this book...I was a helper too! Not as intimate but i needed stitches and staples and cleaned up and was asked if a few med students could watch. Signed 2 forms and they stood there quiet as church mice untill i said hello and told them to' go ahead come closer if youre going into this field there will be blood!'
@@xdani_thethinkingneko yes 100%.
Adding a second comment about being awake and a Dr crossing the line because I think it's another vulnerable issue. I was 16 when I started dating my now husband and became sexually active so I skipped school and drove to planned parenthood for birth control since I had no intention of getting pregnant or letting anyone know we were involved on that level. The dr did his pelvic exam and then said he also had to do a breast exam before giving me the pills. He was gloved for the pelvic, he was NOT gloved for the breast exam. It was not a breast exam, it was cupping and squeezing, and feeling me up. Somehow I knew it was just something I had to put up with for them not to notify my parents. I left there with the pills and did not have to see him for refills, but I knew in my heart this was his "tax" for helping young girls who were trying to obtain birth control. As I said in my previous comment, I was the victim of child SA, years prior, so, I did not speak out against him, only told my boyfriend who I later married. I think that when you are a victim you get somehow marked, not through your intention, but, somehow predators seem to know who they can try things with and who not to. Why else would so many women who were abused marry abusers who continue the cycle in their own kids. My mom, my grandma, her mom before her....I broke the cycle. My kids were not harmed, I kept them safe. My sister married twice to abusive men. I broke the cycle, she did not.
I'm so sorry that happened. That's horrible. I think you were absolutely right that that was a "tax". I also agree that there is some kind of mark that they sense. I've felt that way too. But also, sometimes I think that once we've been victimized, we can fathom that people can really be that harmful and we have a better sense of a "harmer" when we are around them. I'm so glad you have broken the cycle. I know that was not easy and I know you work on it every day. I'm very glad. Your children are very lucky to have you.
I'm really glad you've added this comment. I know that young women are reading this. Every little bit of information is helpful, and I really think someone will run across this and be helped.
62 years ago, when I was 14 and in a hospital (run by Yale) for the removal of a benign breast cyst, no less than 3 young male interns came into my room by themselves to “check it out”. These were the days when they kept you overnight for minor surgeries, and I certainly did not know any better, to object. Four years prior, my mother was in the hospital for 4 days to have a baby. With no complications.
Thank you for sharing this. It seems even nowadays that teenage girls are particular targets because they simply don't know what is going on. That has not changed. It's terrible that every patient should be armed with their full bill of rights. That's not CARE. But unfortunately, the nature of this industry and the failure of the HHS to put a stop to this sooner has bred an entire climate of SA. I'm so sorry. Thank you again for commenting and thank you for your support. I'm very glad you are here.
I forgot to breathe, watching this. I believe it, I believe you, and the community and support you are creating here for victims is a beautiful and truly powerful thing. BRAVO!
Thank you for saying this. When victims refuse to be cowed and stand together, we can accomplish anything. I will spend all day affirming every victim who comments here. And I hope that the purps see it all and start to realize that their time is almost up.
I lost it when I found medical students learning to insert a catheter. On my intubated 95 year old mother. 🤬
I'm so sorry. That is truly heartbreaking. Thank you so much for sharing this information. I know it must have been terribly hard just to type this. Please know we are fighting for dignity in all stages of life. Thank you for being here.
Women in the medical professions need to unite and create a new paradigm that serves their needs with dignity and respect.
To hell with the old system!
What has it done recently for the betterment of society?
Not much.
Big pharma pimps out their doctors. It's all become so corrupt!
Yes, and if sticking their hands up us at every opportunity equaled good health care for women, we’d have no problems at all!
My heart breaks knowing that this goes on :( this is how people develop phobias and not trust professionals in medical settings. All of you are so strong. I subscribed because i want to help put an end to this nightmare.
Thank you. Yes, I’ve been studying this since it happened to me 7 years ago and my moral dilemma was wondering how much to say. I didn’t want to scare people away from getting medical care they need. I finally just decided that the moral burden lies on the medical establishment. It’s on them. Thank you for subscribing. I appreciate it.
I recommend that because this sort of thing is done so often, that you/we also push for cameras in ambulances. I actually think EMS personnel should wear body cams.
The medical establishment has opposed every bill to protect us, and every bill to include cameras in ER‘s / EMT‘s. However, in South Korea, cameras are now being installed in OR‘s because of rampant SA. So, now there is a precedent. And if the medical establishment doesn‘t like that we are now demanding more protections and cameras in ORs they have only themselves to blame. Medical ethics experts have been warning the medical establishment for years that this SA must stop, but the medical establishment ignored them. Their own egos are their own responsibility, and the tidal wave of outrage that is starting to churn will wipe them out. It shouldn‘t have had to come to large scale public outcry and no doubt they WILL SAY THEY ARE VICTIMS of our outrage (I‘ve seen that sentiment on this comment thread already), but too bad. Every single American needs to know what‘s going on, and this time, there will be no one to defend the medical establishment. They‘ve pushed it too far to ever get us to give them the benefit of the doubt again.
There is a documentary about this issue called “At Your Cervix”. The creators of this film and other activists are working to change the laws to end this practice.
Yes! It’s an excellent documentary! They need help. They need more awareness and stronger laws need to me made. Thank you so much for commenting.
Glad to share!
The ONE time i went under after 50 years of life, I woke up with wrist injury. They wouldn't allow any family to observe me once I.was under until I woke up.
Very strange. It’s true that when we are under anesthesia we have less rights than a corpse. They have all been taking liberties. This is unethical and it must stop. Unfortunately, they are incapable of regulating themselves so we must demand laws, oversight and restitution.
@@TheFlyingKitchen We need a patient advocacy group that seeks to not only change their 'ways' but pass laws protecting the patient from this kind of abuse AND MORE. Many patients report being teased for wanting to be covered up during 'treatments'. They get the 'we have seen lots of naked people and WE aren't embarrassed' line. Yeah, we understand THEY aren't embarrassed, THEY AREN'T THE ONES WHO ARE NAKED AND LEFT UNCOVERED. Count me in on your group! We also have some laws being considered in my state that will allow lesser-trained individuals to perform tasks reserved for licensed individuals because 'there is a shortage'. Great. Now we have to worry that the person starting our IV isn't even licensed to do THAT. Oh, but according to our medical licensing 'body' here a doctor can assign any moniker to their employees they want! It's horrible how patients are being treated, yet there are those on social media saying that we have to stop 'scaring people'. That NONE of this ever happens. The feeling of being deceived and abused by someone representing themselves as 'caring' and who we have to surrender our bodily autonomy to is horrific. Many patients on a site on Quora that I am a part of report that they were FORCED to sign the document allowing these exams or they would NOT get their surgery. What happened to them is 'swept under the rug' by the personnel and DENIED, DENIED, DENIED. It's not just the intimate exams. Many report being severely injured in body parts that were NOT part of the surgery. Many just decide to not go back to doctors at all. Can we blame them?
Anesthesia cancels the ability to make memories. You had an injury because you fought back. It might be because you were higher than a kite, it might be something horrible.
How - or under what circumstance - is anyone "observed" by their family members while under anaesthesia? You're typically induced while in the OR - would you expect your family to be invited to scrub-in?
@@Lionforaday I’m not really sure what your point is. Is it your intent to make the commenter feel stupid because she should have known better than to ask? What exactly are you commenting for?
LAWYERS need to be in the room during medical procedures ans surgeries.
Yes! Or at least cameras so they can prove to us we have not been SA’d.
As long as the cameras can't be hacked and people don't become exposed to perverts
@@TheFlyingKitchenI do like the whole camera idea that is going and running so that you can see the procedure after and it should be your own personal camera/recorder with someone you know to be allowed in the room so that nobody messes with that camera
@@wiseforce7045people from the medical industry will read this and scoff, but I’d like to point out to these medical industry people (because I know you’re here reading this) that it is YOUR FAILURE to keep patients safe that is making people want to bring their own cameras into OR’s. Medical ethics experts have been warning you for years that this would happen and now it’s happening. And this is just a drop compared to the tidal wave that is coming.
Tbf lawyers can't always be trusted, I'd also say it should be legal to let a family member or a trusted friend see
In 2015 I went in to have a kidney stone removed and there was apparently an anomaly to how my internal organs formed. They rushed out and shoved papers in front of my husband to sign right away because it was a "teaching hospital". The surgeon brought in residents and students and other surgeons to "observe", meanwhile, I was under and spread eagle with the scope inserted. I woke up and the surgeon was absolutely GIDDY that he got to see a rare situation and was like a clown in my face smiling, all while I was waking up and feeling "off". I felt so violated and had not given consent and my poor husband was under the impression that they went in through my belly button and not that the operation was taking place down below. I was horrified by his lack of questions and their lack of compassion. I am a victim of SA and child SA and so it felt so violating. 3 years later I had to have a specialist surgeon remove the additional internal parts but he made me feel a lot safer and secure and I expressed VERY clearly that I do NOT consent to "teaching moments" during this rare and risky procedure. It took 6 hours longer than expected, but all medical issues were resolved once the anomaly was removed. I am in the US and this sort of thing happens all the time. You wake up and just KNOW something happened and they gaslight you about how it was for educational purposes. In my case it was clear that original surgeon was dying to go back in and document more and pressed me to let him take another look and write up documentation for a medical journal. I told him he really creeped me out with his behavior and broke my trust by letting others view without my consent and without my husband understanding what he was consenting to. My husband is now fully aware of how to deal with that in the future and I will never allow another surgery that is held at a "teaching hospital". I am not a test subject. And as a person who survived SA I need to be extra careful where I get my medical treatments to make sure there is compassion in treating any condition that may arise. Have had no issues since the 2018 surgery, thankfully. I promise you that being medically "interesting" is a nightmare, the doctors are so eager to get into peer journals they completely overstep at every turn.
I‘m so sorry. That‘s absolutely horrible. I know that in places that are more ethical, your spouse would never be able to sign consent for you. You deserved to be kept fully aware of the procedure. Even if under anaesthesia, in an ethical situation they would have stopped, let you wake up, and reschedule another procedure after the anomaly had been discussed and you informed properly. You are absolutely right that they overstep at every turn when you‘re „interesting“. I‘m so sorry. Thank you for adding your voice to this comment thread. It really helps. I also like that you stated that as a SA survivor you go into every medical setting fully aware of protecting yourself. That‘s very important for other survivors to understand. I came to this realisation too when I was in my 30‘s. I knew none of the people on the inside of the medical institution gave a damn, and it was up to me to protect myself. And that‘s really how I came to understand that I was used while under anaesthesia. We really need more awareness. Every single American needs to know this is going on. Thank you again for taking the time to relay your story. It‘s important especially for young women to see. Take care, and thank you, again.
@@TheFlyingKitchen It goes for all medical as well. I realized years ago that even the dentist should be female because you never know when close proximity or a pain might trigger feeling unsafe. The surgeon who ended up doing my surgery in 2018 is fantastic. He even prayed with me prior to going under because he knew how scared I was of having the surgery. I go to him yearly because they do need to keep track of me for a study but he has never made me feel on display and he always makes me feel comfortable. In all other areas of medical or dental need, I have female doctors and dentist, and I've learned that if I don't feel ok with someone, it is better for me to seek out someone else. It's taken a lifetime to realize all the lessons about how to feel safe in day to day life and regular business like going to the Dr, but, I'm getting there.
@@lucy_76 thank you so much, again for adding your words of wisdom. It’s really important for women to understand that it really is worth feeling the uncomfortable feeling, pausing , and asking yourself if this is a procedure you can reschedule with another person. It does take time and effort and people may even act upset about it but it’s worth it because our well-being matters.
How tf is this legal? Non consentual examination or touching of intimate areas is assult when I'm not in a hospital, but its suddenly legal when its in a hospital? Any doctor or student who has ever taken place in this is an immoral monster.
Yes, the medical industry lobbies big time to keep laws (that protect us) out of OR’s. So when we are under anesthesia we have less rights than a corpse. So many students absolutely cannot say no because they’ll be dismissed. So they are coerced too. But the unethical ones just take this as license to abuse everywhere. Go to my tick tock (theflyingkitchen) for more and atyourcervixmovie.com for a good documentary that explains everything.
Sadly it's probably bc this is being done to WOMEN, not men. The woman is seen as an object, not entitled to dignity, privacy, or her autonomy. Remember women weren't allowed to open their own bank account until 1974! There are doctors still practicing where this was a normal part of their existence. Doctors who were trained to view women as inferior men, politicians and lawyers who were trained this way too. I dare say it wasn't until the 1990's when you even really saw the view of "girls can do anything boys can" and that line was only taught to children. Well those same kids are now getting raped on the regular in doctors offices. So yeah, how is this legal? Well bc the "girls can do anything generation" hasn't yet made it illegal bc that generation sees women as equal people with rights, autonomy, and deserving of basic human dignity.
@@millersam07precisely. And the female doctors who take part in this are especially vicious to people like me who speak out about this. The only way they can reconcile this morally is to dehumanize us just a little bit. But to be clear, this does happen to men too but on a much much smaller scale. Less than 1% to women.
@@millersam07 This treatment of women really needs more attention. Absolutely horrific and should be illegal. For it to not be taken seriously should be a crime in and of itself. Unfortunately though, it wouldn't be treated any more seriously if it happened to a man either. This crime happens much more to women, but SA against men is widely believed to 'not count' as real SA, and male victims to not count as real victims. They're just told they should have liked it because they're men, no matter how non-consensual or traumatic. Apparently, SA in general is not treated seriously enough in a lot of contexts. Everybody is hurt by it and yet so many institutions are sweeping it under the rug. I wish I could do more to help, but I have no power to do so. I feel like my vote doesn't count for much when no politician campaigns on these issues. It really sucks.
@@CrusaderKnight2000you’re absolutely right and you can help by raising awareness. They have only gotten away with it because no one has known. And people like me who do wake up and know something happened are gaslit, screamed down and threatened. They cannot fight all of us.
Omg this is why I never go to the doctor... terrifying. 😮
I can't comprehend how so many people are completely fine with this. Doctors, students, whoever HOW are so many people participating in this sick shite.
Oh yes, and the worst of them show up on these comment threads to tell us we are all overreacting.
@TheFlyingKitchen I'm sorry people are so ignorant and for everything you've had to go through. I'm learning more each day about how naive I am about people.
@@stephenconsalvo Ya, I had to develop a very thick skin with this and now it's easy. Because truly I WISH I WAS WRONG. And I'm fighting for my daughters and for every single victim commenting here. I'll take em on, no problem. Their arguments are purely stupid. Even the "C's Get Degrees" doctors know they are losing this fight. The real vicious ones are the purps themselves who are pooping their pants because they won't get to SA girls and women recreationally anymore. Boo hoo, all that time in medical school and we're going to take their little indulgence away. The ones who make the most noise are the ones who bear the most guilt.
Part of the problem with the medical industry is how doctors get trained. It's like a hazing system designed to make sure that only an extremely determined person can get through with their sense of empathy and humanity intact. This is doubly true for the higher prestige roles, like surgery. These positions actively attract people who lack empathy and see themselves as better than their patients, and the system crushes and drives out many of those who try to go into the field because they genuinely care about helping people. I was on a pre-med track in college before I realized how much I hated being around all the other pre-med students and faculty. It was a heartless, cut-throat environment full of cheating and tearing each other down to get ahead. I knew my own mental health wouldn't survive another 8 years of that, so I switched to a different career path. This is obviously not to say that there are no good people who become doctors, but just like law enforcement, medical jobs are appealing to cruel people who want to feel important and have power over others.
@@coolkumquats Thank you for adding this. This is a very good way to help explain why they are not capable of regulating themselves ethically. This is why we need more laws, oversight, justice, recourse and restitution.
I learned about this on my local NPR station a few months ago. Shocking and appalling. Thank you for sharing your story.
Thank you for being here and thank you for your support.
I’m commenting not because I have something to say, but rather because people should see this and engagement helps people see this.
Thank you. They've gotten away with it for so long because no one has known about it and it's been such a closely-guarded secret. Every single American needs to know about this so we can demand real safety, recourse, justice and restitution. The hospital should have to prove to us that we HAVEN'T been SA'd while we are unconscious.
OMGOSH!! I was SA'd by a doctor when I was 11yrs old AND had another "situation" happen in 2022! I even talked to a law firm about BOTH incidents and they told me they wouldn't represent me, they wouldn't help me, that I needed to "move on" 🥺 AND NOW I'm hearing this from you for the first time!! I didn't know this was even a thing! I haven't been able to go to a gyno appointment since my 20's and I'm currently 44yrs old, I even considered an exam with anesthesia just so I could get one done BUT now you say all this and I'm terrified to do anything 😳
I’m so very sorry. My blood is boiling for you. I’m getting so many comments of women going to law firms after CLEAR cases of a$$ault and them being turned away. I’m so very sorry. I really appreciate you adding your story to this growing collection. We do have power in numbers and every single American needs to know this is happening to us on epidemic levels. The medical establishment cannot fight all of us. Thank you so much for being here. Please take care. If you’d like me to add your story to my book (no pressure, totally your choice) please email me at shannon@theflyingkitchen.com
@@TheFlyingKitchen I did so a few hours ago...
@@thecassandraeffectvsperilo6754 thank you so much. I’m working on getting to your email today. 👍
Find a holistic health care practicioner,they are kind ,caring,and will not prescribe toxic big pharna drugs that have worse side effects than the problem you came in with.
For anyone wondering (or worrying like me), since we share similar laws/culture much of the time: In Ontario, consent for pelvic exams is mandatory, and coercion is not consent. In fact, any non-trivial touching that you did not consent to in the medical field is battery, and punishable by law. If you suspect something may have happened to you, please pursue it, getting justice is not hopeless.
I live here now, but my home state is Washington. Hugely relieved when another commenter said they're putting firmer laws in place there. It's absolutely WILD to me that these laws are not a given. I had no idea there were so many medical exemptions when it came to SA.
Thank you so much for adding this. The main tone of discourse with the American medical establishment is that they throw their hands up and act really confused that we have an issue with the way they do things. Even after hearing that there have been AT LEAST 3.6 million victims of sanctioned SA under anaesthesia in just the last 5 years (and that‘s a low ball estimate). It‘s hard to deal with people who feel they are superior to normal people when such a huge blight is scrawled on their entire industry. The entitlement is off the charts. And all I have to say is „if other civilized countries can seem to NOT SA patients under anaesthesia, then why can‘t the US?“. And then you just get individuals saying „BUT I‘VE NEVER DONE IT…!“. It‘s insane. It‘s starting to show up in the comment thread here and it‘s like dealing with toddlers.
I‘m glad you are living in a place that is safe. I‘m in Germany right now and I really doubt I‘d be able to do this work if I was in the US. First, I‘d be afraid of being targeted personally the next time I need medical care. Second, at least in Germany I‘ve been able to heal and build my life back up. What we need to do is spread awareness. Every single American needs to know that this is happening, and they also need to know how the medical establishment will STILL try and wiggle out of accountability, or issue false assuredness that „everything is fine“. Medical ethics experts have been warning the medical establishment for years that massive outrage was coming from the public if they didn‘t stop assaulting patients under anaesthesia, and the medical establishment did not listen.
lol read “medical disorder” the exposé by the toronto star. our laws literally mean nothing in ontario. they’re just fluff. they break the laws and get away with paid leave
OMG. I had no idea. I feel sick. I have to tell everyone.
They’ve gotten away with it for so long because we haven’t known, and they’ve lied right to our faces. Please spread awareness!
This is beyond evil and makes me want to puke, because I had several surgeries in my 20s and 30s and never felt normal afterward.
I worked out 6 days a week, ran, surfed, was very fit.
Also, before I had my thyroid removed at 39, I had to see several potential surgeons. One of them made me strip to the waist, and I was extremely uncomfortable. He began fondling my chest and I pulled back and asked him what he was doing. He got extremely angry and said that he had to check my breasts and I stated; my breasts have nothing to do with my neck.
I started yelling loudly, and my former husband came in, and the man immediately threw the paper gown over my chest.
I still want to throw up to this day
I’m so sorry that happened to you. This had a crushing impact on my life too. I stopped working out too. I’m really trying to get back to it. That anger you saw from that dr - yes, I know it all too well. I was screamed down by the leadership of a military hospital for having the audacity to ask what had happened to my body under anesthesia. They act entitled because they have been trained by using non-consenting, unconscious bodies. By the millions. I have a lot more views on my videos on my tick tock and thousands of comments - many by fellow victims. Also there is a very good documentary on this subject at atyourcervixmovie.com .
Also, I’m collecting victim stories to go into my book. I’m writing a book on my own experience and the point of it is not only to bring awareness, but explain the far reaching negative effects on our quality of life after this happens. Would you be willing to share your experience so I can include it in my book? Thank you so much for commenting here. The more people comment a “me too” the more we are all believed. I’m so sorry that happened to you.
Well I would assume the reason is because if there was any risk of thyroid cancer it can increase your risk of breast cancer. It can also spread to nearby lymph nodes some of which are in your breasts.
However doctors shouldn't get angry when asked why they are doing something and should simply explain what they're doing and why. Especially when it comes to private areas of our bodies. But unfortunately some doctors do get an air or arrogance because of their perceived difference between themselves and patients and can get angry. Usually this morality is found more often in old school doctors than newer ones.
@@Aqui77aO I think the point here is that she should have been asked to give consent before her breasts were touched. Therefore she was assaulted. Assuming a reason for being assaulted and then stating that is minimizing her story, gaslighting her and not ok. This would constitute harassment, and I’ll block you if you continue to do this to victims who have come forward with their stories. This is exactly why people haven’t wanted to talk about this.
@@TheFlyingKitchen Thank you for what you are doing.
Thank you for responding.
Yes you can use my story.
I don’t have any social medias except UA-cam, or would share this on those platforms. I will share via word of mouth.
My daughter was in the Air Force, and was assaulted by a group of MPs, and tried to commit suicide. There is a Major and Major General who tried desperately to advocate for her, and even contacted her for several years after she discharged, but she insists she wants to put it all behind her. I believe she was threatened. I would like her to share her story, but I don’t know that she would.
I will check out the cervix documentary as soon as possible.
@@GodsSparrowSpeaks I’m so very sorry for your daughter. I wish our children were safer. We all deserve better.
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Girl I love what a fighter you are. Thanks for not giving up. I wouldn't have heard about this otherwise.❤
Thanks. I appreciate that. I’ve been trying for seven years to put my life back together the way it was before I was assaulted. But it just didn’t work. I couldn’t put it back together the way it was. So this is how it must be for me now, and it feels better than just hiding away and trying not to talk about it. Or being afraid. Thank you for being here and thank you for your support
Air force. I had horrific cramps for hours had my boss take me to emergency room on base. The male intake nurse actually asked me if i had rough sex. I felt like my uterus was falling out and the males watched me walk to a chair snickering behind my back . I was taken back asked to pull my cami pants down around my boots and some doctor stuck his fingers inside me i screamed tears streaming down my face . The female nurse held my hand helped me redress and i went back to waiting room for three more hours . The gynecologist finally arrived asked me how i was feeling i said the pain was gone and i just wanted to go back to barracks he said congratulations you had an ovarian cyst rupture so now you know what child birth is like . He did give me a note to stay in bed the next day tho. They act like animals and at the same time treat us like we are the animals .
Thank you so much for sharing your story here. I’m so very sorry. This - what you went through - is terrible. Please know you are not alone. Yes, who is the animal? The one who is in pain or the one who is treating that human like an animal? These people. The male intake nurse. The snickering. Omg. I’m infuriated for you. I’m so sorry. I know it’s extremely painful for people to read these comments and bring their own experiences to the forefront of their brains, but it really does help. We are breaking the silence. This will all bring us closer to getting laws, oversight, recourse and restitution for victims. Thank you so much for your service. I have a daughter in the Air Force. Hugs from Germany. Please take care.
I woke feeling I'd actually been raped, it stayed with me for years as a trauma, now it is a horrible memory. The anaesthetist looked at me like I was a piece of shit after I commented about the peeling paint on the ceiling....my jaw was extremely painful for a week. I woke up shouting No! No!
Omg, I'm so sorry. That is horrific. I have found that those of us that are very intuitive KNOW. YOU ARE NOT ALONE. And this treatment of being looked at with such distain, it's not unreasonable to not trust people who behave like that. You are one of many people who woke up with injuries and was not given an explanation. You are one of many people who woke up psychologically traumatized. There is no reason your jaw should have been injured. I'm so sorry. My heart is breaking for you. Please know that I and the other victims and supporters here truly care. You deserved better then, you deserve better now. We will fight this. We will not let 50 years go by and subject our own granddaughters to this. This will end with us. I'm so sorry. We should be assured beyond a shadow of a doubt that we have NOT been SA'd. The burden of proof lies squarely on the shoulders of the medical establishment and they have failed all of us.
@@TheFlyingKitchen Thank you for your reply....obviously I have no proof, only a dreadful feeling that has gone on for years. I came across an article about women who have had c sections that also felt raped, so I figured I fitted into that category. However, now I see with your video it could have been more...As you say "I'm not alone".
There is a problem in the operating theatre though bc I have spoken to a young nurse in training who was required to do the anaesthetic on a child, she was horrified how much of the (deadly) stuff she was being told to use, when she tried to ask why she was told her position would be in jeopardy if she carried on questioning....there is a culture in medicine which is alien to us and really quite ruthless
new fear unlocked. damn. I really hope the victims heal from this and I hope even more that the people doing these things get a dose of karma. Keep telling your storys so other people can be aware and take measures to protect themselves if possible.
Thank you. The victim stories here on this comment thread are extremely powerful. The medical establishment has been able to justify to themselves the massive SA under anaesthesia because „we are asleep, we don‘t know“, but what is coming to light is not only the long term psychological damage of being SA‘d under anaesthesia (which I am now living with), but the overall culture of SA that has come from generations of physicians being trained by SAing patients under anaesthesia. Add in boatloads of hubris and narcissism and higher than normal percentages of psychopathy in physicians, and we are looking at literal SA mills - which is what many military and military spouses like me have encountered in military hospitals. The stories here on this comment thread alone and heartbreaking, and this video does not even have that many views, and I‘m a small scale UA-camr who does cooking videos that never exceed views of a couple hundred or so. These comments have come about in just about a 30 hour period too. So imagine the proportion of Americans who have been SA‘d in medical settings. It‘s epidemic and maybe now FINALLY we will get laws to make it stop. Thank you for commenting and thank you for being here. Every single American needs to know what‘s going on so they can protect themselves and demand cameras in OR‘s, on EMT‘s, laws, recourse and restitution.
The fact that you can google most of this neans.... It's happened do frequently as to come up automatically on search engines. It's at the top of the algorithm. Smh
Ya. I wish I was wrong about this. I wish we were all wrong.
Having not observed surgery where they have used patient as test case...
And knowing many women have allowed learning residents...
To "practice"
I have also had surgeries when very young to much later
And I have an uncomfortable feeling about what actually happened...(call it intuition)
I rather avoid any surgeries from here on out...
I would like to point out....I do not hear men or see many men even on this thread...we're residents doing this or have been on males
(XY)???
Or is it only on Females (XX)
Odd isn't it???
@@christking8844 it does happen to males. I have had a very scant amount of comments from men. My theory is that men cannot fathom this happening and they dissociate almost immediately. Also, I think they are easier to gaslight so if they do wake up and ask “why am I bleeding/sore” and they are given some kind of BS answer like “that’s just a side effect of anesthesia” (which is what some women have been told) the men are likely to just believe that because the alternative would be too much.
I think the fact we can no longer say the words or spell them is pretty emblematic of the problem.
Happened to me, no reason to touch me where underwear covers... but person gave away his creepiness when asked if I was a natural redhead...this was said as my anesthesia was started and being rolled from preop to the operating room. I was getting loopy and losing consciousness.
Too many sexual assaults... a predator with captive prey...someone feeling up or worse of an unconscious woman.
I‘m so sorry. So VERY VERY CREEPY. These people. Honestly. They act like this, they enable SA, or perpetrate SA, then they turn around and act like victims because we are „mad“ at them and they don‘t feel appreciated. It‘s disgusting. „A predator with captive prey“. That‘s exactly right . It‘s the power and control they love and now that we will begin flipping the script they will definitely paint themselves to be victims of „conspiracy theories“ and „witch hunts“ when the tidal wave out outrage comes to hit them. Every single American needs to know what‘s going on so we can finally get laws, oversight, checks and balances, justice and restitution.
@@TheFlyingKitchen when a woman/ girl gets an std/ sti when she hasn't been active in that way, but had surgery under anesthesia in the weeks/ months prior to having symptoms and testing positive for x y or z...
And then you get gaslit by the medical establishment.
It's infuriating, criminal.
This is really freaking me out . I have a robotic fibroid surgery last year they talk in detail about the steps of the surgery, and said they may have to through my vag is the fibroid is to big and can’t could out the the belly bottoms hold they made, wake up my vag fell off assumed they had to do through their vag and I brought up to my nurse and she said no they didn’t , I was confused cause I was feeling pain there, then I called the nurse cause I thought I could have an infection then she said it could have from the catheter that’s causing me pain now . This story now unlock a new fear for me
I'm so sorry. First, I'm sorry this is freaking you out. None of us should be this scared. Second I'm sorry that the people around you did not assure you you would not be SA'd. They bear the burden of proof. A catheter would not cause this much pain in your V. They ALWAYS bring up the catheter. It's not the catheter. First, if something really not ok did happen, you are not alone. We should KNOW we are safe. I wish I could give you any measure of comfort and assuredness, but I just don't know. And that's the problem. We SHOULD KNOW that you were safe. You deserve safety. We will fight to change things so none of us ever have to wonder "what if" ever again. Thank you so much for commenting. Adding your voice to all of these other voices really does help. It helps everyone to see how much this weighs on us psychologically. Our lives matter, our emotional and mental health matters. We deserve CLEAR safety, CLEAR laws, and CLEAR recourse when we are violated. WE DESERVE PEACE OF MIND, MEDICAL ESTABLISHMENT. ARE YOU READING THIS?
Why do authorities always want to punish the victims?
I think because they have already dehumanized us and because they can. For people with consciouses they want to alleviate their shame by asserting dominance , and for psychopaths because it’s fun (for them).
Thank you for speaking out about this. You are amazing
Thank you. Thank you for being here and thank you for your support.
Im so sorry this happened to you, and so many others. I don't know if this fits into your book, but I am the survivor of non consentual medical experimentation as well as millions of others, who have been implanted with non consentual devices (implants) while under anesthesia.
I know it sounds crazy, but people like James Walbert have been able to prove this in federal court, many have recovered the devices but few surgeons will actually do removal surgeries.
The percentage of physicians with psychopathy is disproportionately high and the culture in the medical field is often dehumanizing. Yes, there are many amazing doctors and nurses that need to be praised, but the dark aspect that leaves so many of us traumatized has to be exposed and changed!
Thank you for using your voice! 💙 Rooting for justice!!
Wow, I had no idea. Thank you so much for adding this to the conversation. I’m so sorry this happened to you. Yes, I‘m definitely interested in adding your story to my book. And I‘m really interested in learning what in the world this is about. Just when I thought it couldn‘t get worse. And the psychopathy- I‘ve definitely seen it but I‘m amazed at how they seem to organize themselves. Even on this comment thread I‘ve received several comments that really sent a shiver down my spine. They seem gleeful to deceive. My email is shannon@theflyingkitchen.com please email me and we‘ll continue the conversation over there. Thank you so much. I really appreciate it.
Your post has freaked me out ! I was referred to a OBGYN to undergo a DNC and was under sedation. Upon Awakening I was in extreme pain but thought at the time it was because of the procedure. Upon waking the attending nurse/assistant played down my pain and told me to hush up, that I was fine. (SCARY !!) Now I'm wondering if something much more happened to me 😢
I’m so sorry my post has freaked you out. First of all, they should not have played down your pain and told you to “hush up”. That’s awful. Second, when they treat you that poorly, it’s only natural to consider them untrustworthy and wonder if anything unethical happened. I’m so sorry. If it helps at all, there are thousands of commenters on my tick tock (theflyingkitchen) who have very similar stories. Please know you are not alone.
Thanks for your reply, yes, I often wondered if what happened to me was wrong and something other than what was supposed to happen happened. I'm sure there are other incencedences happening to other women.
This is disgusting. I'm so glad you are speaking up about this.
Thank you. They have gotten away with it for so long because we have not known about it (because we are unconscious) and those of us that do wake up with injuries and questions get gaslit, mocked, yelled at and intimidated. No more. Every single American needs to know this is happening and needs to demand real safety and peace of mind. They cannot fight all of us.
I never heard of this before. Should we really need a law when rape is SA? I no longer even get pelvic exams from an OBGYN since after researching there was no need to. Sick!
Yes, that’s what I thought too, bit the medical establishment has been very slick is keeping law out of their establishment. That’s why SA in all medical settings is at epidemic levels. And until every single American learns about this and DEMANDS safety, laws, oversight, recourse, justice and restitution for victims , things will stay just as they are. Thanks so much for commenting and thanks so much for being here.
Wow my local hospital is actually well known as an educational/training hospital.... medical students travel from all around the country to our hospital as part of this practice... I'm definitely looking into this!
Good. I'm glad this video has helped you. The new HHS guidelines say that a patient should be able to OPT OUT of being used as a teaching and research tool, so at least we can OPT OUT now. However, that might be buried in consent forms. The best thing to do is to go to Patient Advocacy (the front desk will tell you where it is) and ask Patient Advocacy how you can protect yourself from being used as a teaching/research tool at that hospital. All hospitals are a little different, so don't take someone's word for it online, go into that actual hospital and ask patient advocacy what to do. They should know exactly what you are talking about, and if they don't - be concerned.
Why don't THEY volunteer for this?!? Students who volunteer should get extra credit and a discount in tuition. I understand that pelvic floor PT students practice on each other during training. That's another option.
Yes! They should definitely do this.
Consent forms have always been a joke. I'll been in the room for a procedure (Biopsy, colonoscopy, etc.) and while on the table and being arranged the doctor will rhyme off the pertinent information then hand me a form to sign. I'm sorry but even door to door sales have a cooling off period. Now I insist on talking to them and signing before being wheeled in. If they don't like me reading the fine print then that's a red flag right there.
Yes, you're exactly right and I'm really glad you've commented. This is why the new HHS guidelines are actually going to harm us - when they do keep SAing us, they will just whip out the consent forms and show those of us who KNEW it happened and say , "Welp, you consented, so bye bye now". And we will have even less recourse than before. This is the button I will continue to press as I go forward with this grisly work. They need THEM to prove to US beyond a shadow of a doubt that we have NOT been SA'd. Every victim speaking out gets us closer to that goal. This video does not even have that many views and it's only been published for a week and look how many victims have come forward. We have real power here.
Commenting to help please the algorithm; this needs to be seen by more people!
Thank you for this insight. I have been subjected to a teaching tool in the hospital where I was admitted prior to giving birth. I have been subjected to tests and exams to which I have raised suspicions and questions and happened to find out I have not consent to those but was expected to comply to which I didn't and ones I respectfully rejected it was a shock to the staff
I'm so sorry. That was absolutely wrong of them. We need laws to protect us, oversight, recourse, justice and restitution.
This brings my PTSD out. Please keep up your work.
I will. Thank you. Please spread awareness if you can. They’ve gotten away with it for so long because no one has known and victims are gaslit and further ab*used when they talk about it.
What we need is for each surgery room to have cameras and each operation to be filmed. Even if someone does not give their consent they will be under anesthesia so how would they really ever know. If they've been doing this for years without telling people they cannot be trusted at all. Period
I completely agree. The medical establishment is strongly opposed to this because they feel it will open them up to medical malpractice suits and impede their decision making process. But honestly, after this, what else can be done? We don’t trust them. And yes, even if we do OPT OUT on the new consent forms, how will we know? No where else are we leaving our unconscious bodies unattended. Nowhere. And now that they’ve been tricking us, a$$aulting us, betraying us and lying to us (and psychologically abusing us when we start asking questions after we wake up - which happened to me), what else can we do? Their industry will change and it’s on THEM. Thanks for commenting. I really appreciate it.
I worked in a cancer research hospital and was in and out of the ORs all day. Every single surgical patient had a number of residents and students in the OR at any given time. We were teaching hospital on a university campus, and all of this was made known to the patient before the surgery. On a personal note, I went into our employee clinic for my annual, and specifically asked for female attendants. I was already on the table and draped, when one of the nurses came in and asked if a male medical student could observe because I'd had a procedure with which he was unfamiliar. As I had once (and only once!) had a male GYN who was a complete ass, I readily agreed to the medical student being allowed to observe. Anything I can do to help educate men on women's issues, I will do happily!
I’m glad you had an ethical experience.
Guess i need to revive the use of a locking chastity belt.
That's what they are talking about on my videos on tick tock. If someone could invent one for surgery, I'm sure it would be a best seller.
I would buy one, if I could!
I'm so sorry for what happened to you, my dear! Going against the establishment is so difficult. As an Ethiopian, our medical and justice systems are much worse here but we should keep fighting!
Thank you for your encouragement. We should all keep fighting. If we can imagine the future in 50 years, and we imagine that situations improve just by 25% by our fighting, that will make a big difference in the lives of our children and grandchildren. And that‘s worth the time, work and stress to me. Thank you for being here and thank you for your support.
@@TheFlyingKitchen You are so right! Best of luck!
@@katlamb4606 best of luck to you too. 🙌
Thank you! You are a warrior! ❤
Just when I think I’ve finished learning about all the American medical horror stories then this wow why do we have to explicitly say that is NOT ok ???!!!
I know. It's a nightmare.
Thank our Creator above that I've completely managed to avoid "going under" in my 27 years because ive had what has been told me is "irrational" fear that something isn't or wouldn't be "right". I cannot explain it other than my intuition alarm bells going off.
This video tells me that I'm not crazy nor am I paranoid like medical staff & people in my real life have tried to make me out to be.
I'm truly sorry for what was FORCED upon you. My heart truly truly breaks knowing what you had to go through 💔
Your strength & willingness to bring this deeply intimate situation to us in order to educate & bring awareness to the world is absolutely beautiful 💖 thank you!
Thank you. ❤️. Yes, you were right. Your instincts were spot on the whole time. If you’d like to watch my whole story it’s on my tick tock. It’s long, because as a victim I have to over explain myself. If you watch it you’ll see that there’s a lot that WASN’T said that led me down a path to finding out the truth. I mean, my BS meter was pinging like crazy. Anyway, thank you so much for being here and your comment. The medical establishment has been doing this for decades, and one of my theories is not only do we now have the language and collective reasoning to conclude that sticking your hands up a woman while she is unconscious, and when that act has no medical benefit to her is unethical (and even criminal), but women are much less prone to gaslighting and silencing our inner concerns now. And we certainly don’t believe the doctor always has our best interests in mind and that we should yield to flawed logic just because someone in a white coat says we should. It’s really a confluence of many things that are happening right now that is bringing this to light, and we’ve just gotten started.
I just googled it, and I guess in 2022 - Governor Ned Lamont of CT where I am from, signed into action, a law that made it so that people had to get consent before doing pevlic exams.
Cool. So I've only had autonomy for 2yrs...are you fucking kidding me. 🤢
I don't remember hearing this is on the news either..... it's almost like they didnt want us to know they where trampling all over our rights. Sickening.
I fear now even more for women and people a.f.a.b now....when will we ever be free? When will we ever be allowed true autonomy? 😢
Yes, Connecticut passed a law 2 years ago. It’s not very robust though, and it does not protect whistleblowers from within the industry. But you will NOT be assaulted as long as you are very aware of the consent forms. From what my lobbyist friends tell me, Connecticut’s law has a lot of cracks and flaws. But, it’s something. A start. Please still be aware of consent forms and OPT out of intimate exams not related to scope of care and being used as a teaching/research tool.
I was actually awake when I was used for "student teaching moments", while on active duty 30+ years ago. I had to go to the GYN clinic on base for care every 5 weeks. The civilian hired Dr would have a different male student dr with him every time to perform a "cervical biopsy" because apparently my condition warranted it. No local, nothing. I was active duty, I wasn't allowed to push back. Plus I was at a command that no body on base wanted to touch. Every base has one, they are like the plague. It wasn't till I screamed I was done being used like this, my voice carried into the waiting room, that they didn't have me come back. They had the gall to send someone in that was active duty, and three pay grades above me, ordering me to calm down. I blew up at her too. I told her in a way that could have gotten me to sent to captians mass as to where she could go. After that, the GYN clinic quit calling my command to remind me that I had an appointment with them. After I was out and would go for a yearly exam I was often asked what happened to cause all those scars. I told them. It was only the female Dr's who would look away. I now have a complete hysterectomy. I am so glad I don't have to go through that anymore.
Omg I’m so sorry. That’s torture.
Thank you for responding. I have never shared that publicly like this before. It made me start to think about when I had my son back then. After that was done. I wasn't able to fully dilate, he became physically stuck for two hours, while his head reshaped for birth. I asked my OB if it could have been because of the scaring. He didn't respond, he just kept telling me my son was improving by the hour in NICU.
@@reginabrusewitz9700 Oh no. That's so horrible. Can I add your story to my book? If that's okay with you, please email me at shannon@theflyingkitchen.com with "book project" in the title. We can continue our conversation there if you agree. I was also a$$aulted in a military hospital. This needs to stop. Thank you for sharing your story here. I know how hard it is. I hope you feel validated, and I hope we can stop this horrific treatment. They cannot fight all of us. Also, If you'd like to watch my full story of a$$ault in a military hosptial go to my tick tock handle: theflyingkitchen. I have a vested interest in improving conditions in military hospitals as a military spouse of 28 years and the mother of adult children who serve. Thank you so much for your service and I wish you the best. I hope to hear from you soon. Take care.
so sorry to learn this. i had a similar experience in the UK for an intimate investigation and all these men filed into the room of this TEACHING hospital . i was 18 years old at the time and still a virgin and it was humiliating. i was so distressed and the only woman in the room. i had no idea at the time about my rights or informed consent. So sorry that you had this experience. We have had cases here where female patients in a coma for years were interfered with and conceived babies whilst in a comatose state. terrible. i will add something separately about what happened to me in the USA in a private hospital in Florida
I’m so terribly sorry to read this. I will be looking for your Florida story.
Makes me feel sick to the stomach. I'm sorry that you are going through this trauma and for all the other victims. Keep spreading the message and hopefully other people can be protected against this violation of trust 😮😢
Thank you. They’ve gotten away with this all this time because it’s been such a closely guarded secret and they’ve been lying to our faces. Thank you for being here and thank you for your support.
Wow. Thank you so much for sharing this information. When I was a child the doctor I had went to for colds and referral for adenoid and tonsilectomy was charged with multiple child sexual abuse charges and had been doing it for years. It makes me sick to my stomach. Also a "helpful" womens medical hood I had a routine check up done and the nurse preparing me carelessly pinched my skin with a vaginal specula and left it and I said something she said no its correct and was super nice and knew what she had done. I had to wait for doctor and couldnt not wait to get out of there! God is watching and he knows.
Thank you so much for commenting and sharing this information. I’m so sorry you were harmed like that. I’m getting a lot of stories of blatant harm like this. Also, I’ve gotten so many heartbreaking stories of children being SA’d. We all need more protection. Yes, God knows. Thanks so much for being here and please take care.
I had surgery back in February! My anethesiologist was a black woman! I was so relieved! Also, I opted out of the med student observation. No, thank you!
Good!!! 👍
This is one of those videos where I find it difficult to tap the like button. The video is well done and we need to know this. But my heart breaks for you so much, and I’m so upset by this, that I need an “agree with you and so sorry this happened, please continue to spread the word” button. “Like” just doesn’t work. We hope, we trust, but the medical folks don’t seem to be living up to that hope and trust, or even to basic human empathy and dignity.
I certainly understand, and there have been other comments here that have echoed your sentiment. But "like" away! All engagement will move this issue to the home of every American, which is exactly where it needs to be. Thank you for your kindness and empathy.
Women NEED their own EVERYTHING!!
#Seperate
that’s so unethical for the medical staff to do anything to you without your informed consent.
@DoctorMike @MamaDoctorJones
Yes it sure is.
I was in so much pain when they tried to give me a Pap smear. So they asked me if I would agree to do one under anesthesia. I have never had a problem with anesthesia so I agreed to it. But later at home, I had to wonder, if it’s too painful for me to be awake, won’t it be just as painful or no once I wake up from the anesthesia?
They never called me to schedule this procedure, so I just let it go.
Thank you for informing me that this would have been a bad idea.
Most bad ideas/ abuse are simply do to the lack of knowledge.
I'm glad. Do a google search and look up why pap smears are necessary and see if you are at risk for the HPV virus. Little known fact; not all women need a pap every single year.
I'm beginning to wonder, with the prevalence of reporting of humans aggressing against vulnerable humans with increasing frequency and with no apparent compunction, if human nature isn't prone to evil. Like, objective evil. The malice required to do this to people boggles my mind, and I'm a born cynic. Peace to you as you continue to deal with this, and may your book be a success and salvation for people suffering these traumas in isolation.
Thank you. I believe this is exactly the case. I knew this for sure when I was screamed down by hospital leadership for asking too many questions after I woke up from anaesthesia. I was tired, weak, in pain, dehydrated and scared and I woke up with evidence of SA on my body. And I was treated with such malice by a Captain in the Navy who was also a surgeon. She went on to become an Admiral. Not exactly an American hero, from my point of view. THIS IS THE VERY REASON FOR LAW. Humans cannot govern themselves independently, and law exists to protect the vulnerable. Or it should. The medical establishment has opposed every bill to protect patients, to add video cameras to ORs, third party oversight, justice for victims and restitution. They resist law that is meant to protect us. That‘s the nature of what they are and yet, they are such narcissists that when confronted with absolute fact such as this, they will turn around and act like victims saying we are being „mean and ungrateful“. So that‘s what we are dealing with.
Im a doctor and we had volunteers who were awake who they themselves educated us on their bodies and the things we needed to learn. Never have I ever done exams on an unconscious surgical patient who was not MY patient I was caring for... and documented on their medical record.
I agree though. If this is happening, i want you to consider another aspect. I have been a nurse who obtains consent before a surgery, but I dont personally go to the surgery room with the patient. We are told what to get consent for and where they need to sign. If we arent told about some little fine print, we wouldn't know to address it. Also, the students likely dont know that consent wasnt obtained. Healthcare professional students go into A LOT of healthcare settings on good faith. We assume all the Ts are crossed and Is dotted.
So the ones you should be focusing on are the ones who know: the medical schools and the hospital admin. The rest of the staff, including the operating room staff are just told, "hey, we have routine students again that are going to so the rotation". They dont know either.
I would highly recommend you get a legal nurse consultant to review the medical records and procedures.
I also believe this happened to me when I had my tubal, for I had way more pain than expected. But had they asked if I could have students, I would have said, "knock yourself out". I was the one who let other students practice IV starts and said if they have any students they are welcome to attend my baby's birth. I love teaching and allowing people to learn, but I also know thats not for everybody. I just know being a student that we dont sexualize a person. Its not malicious, but to learn in order to know how to better treat patients later.
I have a grasp of this, and lately the Student AMA has spoken out in opposition of using non consenting patients as teaching and research tools. We know that most people lining up to stick their hands in a woman are just trying to get the job done and don't know who has really consented and who has not. But 3.6 million victims in 5 years is a horrific number. And that's a low ball estimate . Yes, it's all a bit confusing, but it must stop. These heartbreaking comments of victims here in this comment thread are just from 24 hours of exposure of a video that does not even have that many views. The fact that SO MUCH SA is happening is the responsibility of the medical establishment. If we as victims have to rally, and raise awareness then that's what we will do. To give the benefit of the doubt that it was just a misunderstanding is really ridiculous, when medical ethics experts have been publishing in journals for years that this has been happening, it's unethical and it must be stopped or patient-physician trust will be greatly damaged. I'm very glad you never had to do anything unethical, and I'm also very sorry you feel you might have been a victim too. Your perspective is really interesting and valuable. I wish that every patient had the capability and resources to find a legal nurse, but like those just trying to get through clinicals, the patient is just trying to get better and get back to their lives. The medical establishment has opposed almost every bill (to stop this and protect us) that has been brought to state legislators, wants no oversight, keeps consent forms hazy, will not allow third party advocates in procedure rooms and will not allow cameras in ORs. As it is, the patient has literally no recourse. And I'm sure you can see by the volumes of heartbreaking instances of ab*se here in the comment thread, the overall culture of SA is prevailing. I think you would like the documentary www.atyourcervixmovie.com . You may even recognize the producer as she was a gynecological teaching assistant and taught over 1,000 medical students with her own body. I really appreciate your perspective and of course we know not all medical professionals are unethical ab*sers. If other civilized countries can provide transparency and true safety to patients, then the US can too. It should not have come down to public outcry, but here we are, and will will keep fighting and making noise until every person is safe, has recourse and there are no more of these traumatic stories that we have had just a sample of in this comment thread.
@@TheFlyingKitchen yes, I completely agree with you. I do not mean to have a legal nurse consultant for every patient. I mean for you during your efforts to put an end to it to help bridge the gap of knowledge between you, the healthcare records and the lawyers. It'll help bring things together. Legal nurse consultants know the normal way things work, as you should pick one who is an expert in that particular field. They will be able to see the gaps in the system and where is falls short. I am all for process improvement and I agree that this should never happen. Especially because I experienced CSA and had I not had Jesus Christ to heal me, waking up thinking I was touched without my consent may very well have triggered C-PTSD symptoms all over again.
@@ArmorofValor That would be a great model moving forward. Perhaps you could write an article for one of your industry's publications.
@@TheFlyingKitchen perhaps I will... 🙂
This is so awful. Ive heard of other ways the medical community has mistreated women. They don’t take a woman’s pain as serious as they do men (like not giving proper pain meds for cervical biopsies). Medication side effects for women are not as documented as they are for men (because a woman’s body is different from men and used less in research to protect fertility), but we still need to know, we still need access to meds. During child birth and delivery, we’re often not listened to. Our modesty is often not respected. Yet we’re half the human population. I had to advocate for mom in the hospital because they kept sending in male nurses to put in a catheter and then to help her in the restroom after the catheter came out. She wasn’t comfortable with men and wanted only female nurses attending her. I was shocked i even had to ask. Women must advocate for safety when we are vulnerable such as under anesthesia.
I'm so glad your mother had you there to advocate for her. Yes, I think they think "health care" is sticking their hands up us at every opportunity. It sure seems so with the hundreds of comments of other victims. It seems as they aren't learning much because being a woman in America is dangerous and our health care is abysmal. Thank you so much for commenting and thank you for being here. We all deserve better. This is an absolute nightmare. You will like the documentary at www.atyourcervixmovie.com. In that documentary one female expert describes being in a room of men (decades ago when she was a student) watching over a yelling woman who was having her cervix pinched and the professor saying "This is just hysteria...the cervix has no nerve endings". And she was literally sickened and thinking "that's not true!". So think of it, people like her who have become professors themselves still have not been able to take down this beast. But we can, if we all fight together. They cannot fight all of us. Every single American needs to know this is happening. They cannot fight all of us.
@@TheFlyingKitchen thank you for sharing your story!
@@Mombrain006 Thank you for your support. Thank you for being here.
I just sent this to my daughter. This hit me like a ton of bricks!! I have had 16 major surgeries. I have just watched my final reason for no longer trusting the medical profession.
I’m so sorry. None of us should have to look back at our past surgeries and wonder if we were used or not. It’s sickening and infuriating. Medical ethics experts have been warning the medical establishment for YEARS that this is:
1) unethical
2) unnecessary
3) will break trust between patient and physician
I’d like to add that it’s added to an entire culture of SA in the medical industry - where there are millions more victims.
Thank you for sending this to your daughter. Every single American needs to know this is happening. The medical establishment has been intentionally keeping this a secret for years. Now we know. They cannot fight all of us.
I’m holding my breath as I read all this! I just need time to process this information! It’s beyond believe that this can be legal!! SMH! I like to add wowwwwwws
Thank you for being here. It's very telling that on a video with not many views that has only been up for a few days, there are SO MANY HORRIFIC stories of SA in medical settings. It's heartbreaking. Also, I'm just a very small time youtuber who makes cooking videos - and this is how many victims have come forward in such a short amount of time. This is an indication of the epidemic of SA in all medical settings in the U.S. It's time for real change. Every single American citizen needs to know about this.
Also reach out to Doctor Mike and Doctor Mama Jones they'll be interested.
People have tagged them on TT. They won’t touch it. If they speak out against it they’ll be harangued by their colleagues.
@@TheFlyingKitchen hmmm I see I understand Dr Mike but Doctor Mama Jones has always been very vocal and advocate for womens bodily autonomy plus she lives in New Zealand now but oh well hopefully one of them speaks out.
@@carolinpurayidom4570 I hope that’s the case! They’ve been tagged on TT. But if you want to tag them here I’d be appreciative!
Has Dr Yoon been tagged yet? Idr his exact username otherwise I'd tag him@@TheFlyingKitchen
@@xdani_thethinkingneko just to say, the social media doctors do not engage in this topic because they face serious heat and even threats from their colleagues. OR they gaslight and make it seem like it’s a much smaller thing than it actually is. Like “no big deal, we’re good guys, don’t worry”. And that does not help anyone.
seems like a pretty simple solution to have a form of recording active when youre under for confirmation
I 100% agree. South Korea just started doing this because of widespread SA in medical settings.