What's it DO? Linear Comp/ Blast Device
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3dB change is double the sound (or half depending on increase or decrease) so definitely NOT insignificant. It's a logarithmic scale.
I was waiting for him to say that but then he didn’t. Of course it’s not enough of a difference to be hearing safe but it’s still significant. I for sure have noticed a difference on my own rifle with one of these vs with the A2 birdcage it came with. So that seems like an oversight on his part
Was just about to say the same thing
Yes, 3db is a good amount.
No, 10dB is doubling to our ears. 3dB is a barely discernable difference.
@cbrooks2767 You are correct, it is generally agreed that 10db cuts the sound in half. 3db is significant whether detectable or not. I like this channel a lot but, there are a couple of things he states here that aren't true. The decibel thing and back pressure simply not true.
You said linear comps don't reduce sound, and then pointed to a test that said the exact opposite? Let's not forget that decibels aren't measured linearly, so a 3 decibel reduction may very well be a significant change.
I think what people in free states don't understand is that the main market for these devices is in states that ban the evil "flash hider". The video nails it. Assuming your state bans the evil device, the linear comp essentially beats out the obnoxiousness of a brake and the aesthetics of no muzzle device.
Exactly why I bought one. Better than nothing, and not a flash suppressor or brake.
Shout out to the CMMG linear comp (waiting in mine to ship for my Mk47).
Here's something you left out (sort of, but not really) they also help keep you from blowing apart devices like flashlights (or thumbs with short rails/handguards and an accidentally aggressive c-clamp grip)that might overhang the end of the handguard. For example, I run an 800 lumen InForce WML on my Mk47 that hangs off the front of the handguard about an 1.5 inches. With a normal muzzle device (or no muzzle device) the bezel would be subjected to direct forces from the barrel. Now with a linear comp, I can have the flashlight even with the muzzle device without the same risk of damage (or covering the lens with carbon).
Great vid!
This video is true of the comp he’s holding, a tiny thing. I have a 4.5 inch linear comp and it drastically reduces the flash, noise and concussion, I only see a little smoke come out after so maybe try to look at longer or wider ones :)
What comp is it that you have?
I have been pondering this for a while. Several thoughts;
1. As other mentioned, 3dB is not insignificant. it’s not hearing safe, but it is significant.
2. A linear compensator will at least extend the distance from your ear to where the gases meet the atmosphere. That alone could be worth 1dB at your ear.
3. It seems to me that the linear comp would decrease the magnitude of the pressure wave, but likely increase the duration.
I have tested a Witt Machine SME and a similarly type knockoff linear compensator on AR-47 with 16” barrel. I feel (yes, I get that this is the extreme edge of subjectivity) like it renders the blast from the “AR-47” in 7.62x39 similar to my MSR-15. This is significant!
You didnt include concussion. Im not big into the science behind it, but i have shot an 5.56 pistol, with and without a linear comp and i can 100 percent assure you that the concussion is much less with it. Its not imaginative, i literally feel like i got punched in the nose without it on and I do not feel that with the linear comp on. I would like to see the reasoning behind that explained by a more knowledgeable person like yourself
That’s interesting, I’ve never known a 5.56 to have much recoil to begin with. Now a . 308 is a little different.
Imagine making a whole ass video and missing the entire point which is the concussion point. He’s been missing the mark on so much stuff lately
@Robert Taylor I never said it did
@Robert Taylor and neither does this comp..
@Robert Taylor tou obviously dont know shit kid!.. gfy!..
Solid point on the dwell time but most people don’t understand the minutia of that debate
On that point I'm not sure if it's marketing wankateering or them using the simplest term possible to convey the approximate meaning, because the interpretation of a potentially more reliable gun with either term the same.
@@DracoOmnia what is marketing wankateering? Also it is hard to understand your point because you are using unnecessary words in what seems to be an unfinished thought. I think the fact that Mike used “minutia” made you feel some type of way lol
@@anthonygonzales6029 if you were familiar with the channel AvE you would know what marketing wankateering is, but for you I'll sum it up as marketing bullshit, fake hp numbers using very specific laboratory setups that only measure within the first two milliseconds type bullshit.
well let's ask them to understand it. if we're trying be exceptional then let's be exceptional. dont pander to dummies mrguns. unless theyre your bread and butter of course...
How cute that guntubers have a bromance. No matter how meaningless the comment they still give it a little pull and tug.
I put a linear comp on my AR pistol and it at least put the shockwave further away from me. I felt a slight difference, and I simply didn't want to be absolutely terrible to everyone else I was shooting with. Still well worth it to me, though a little sad it doesn't do much for sound. Good information, thank you!
I just purchased a 10 and a half inch AR pistol and I'm interested in a compensator. You mentioned yours works can you let me know which compensator you have on your gun please
a guy trying to convince you he knows something about physics. poorly.
The main purpose for this device on the Banshee line is to provide additional muzzle standoff for the Shooter's support hand, improve the astestic look and provide some lateral blast mitigation. Added safety over the thread protector seems to be getting overlooked, especially in the 5 inch barrel variant.
I love the noveske KX-5 on my 10.5". While you may say it doesn't reduce the noise, it absolutely makes it more tolerable to be around. I doubt devices without a baffle would do as well as it does though. It's kinda funny to add that much extra length to a short gun, but after my first outing with it I decided the trade off was greatly greatly worth it.
It also actually tames the fireball.
Kx3 and kx5 on a couple rifles, better than my flash hiders and comps not as nice as socom suppressor 😀. I don't really know the design of that particular device he has.
My 11.5" ends inside the handguard so I added a Midwest Industries blast diffuser, it ends outside the handguard. I did it more for safety, my hand won't get burnt.
I think it adds to the blast with 5.56, but my friends say it's a bit better than just a flash hider, for concussion.
Liar, there's no way someone who shoots 5.56 from a 11.5 still has friends.
I pinned one on my 14.5 with a 15" handguard for the same reason. Looks great, shoots flat.
@@snek9353 Damn, you got me. Don't have a girlfriend either 🤷♂️
I'm curious on why people get handguards that go past the barrel before installing something like that at the same time as the handguard to begin with lol
@@Dajokerboy101 some guns come that way. I have a Lead Star Arms Grunt, 10.5" barrel and 11" hand guard
Sooo they do redirect sound
Have you ever tested 4 piece bulgarian flash hider at night. It absolutely kills the flash. Even out of a 10" AK.
Great information and I agree with you. However, I've found that they are also good for preventing damage to the handguard if your handguard extends over the muzzle. I can also tell you that on AR Pistols they are much nicer to the shooter than an actual muzzle brake. I used a muzzle brake initially and it felt like getting punched in the face with every shot. Linear comp made a huge difference.
The exact reason I got one. muzzle was too close to the handguard and wanted that lil bit of clearance to avoid anything detrimental happening. Plus with the light mounted there to avoid any damage to that.
3db is still worth while, yes definately not a can but still worth while, I have a PWS CQB on my 7.5" PSA 5.56 and it was noticeably better than the A2 it cane with, still loud as F but less blasty
Additionally the kick a lot less dust/debris when shooting close to the ground or near barricades.
I have a linear comp on one of my precision builds. No it isn't quieter. It does help, in my experience, with shot follow through and follow up shots. It helps me especially during mixed range stages in 3-gun competition. Now before you flame me,,,,this what helps me,,,,Your Mileage Will Vary!
The sound never changes. DB is DB. It's the direction it travels. "Perceived recoil/sound". Clapping next to your ear, vs clapping 20ft in front of you. It's the same, but it's perceived more quiet, as it's in front of you. As stated, you're not trying to blow the ears next to you...
And don’t forget that a 5.56 round has a muzzle velocity that is about 2.5 times the speed of sound. A sonic boom is part of each and every shot.
I bought a linear compensator to protect the crown of my barrel and to keep my hunting buddies happier to . For me it’s a win win.
He’s right about firing a weapon indoors. The sound will bounce off walls, floor, and ceiling and find its way back to the shooter. It will still be loud, more so indoors than outside.
You should explain the difference between sound and pressure or blast...
he would have to go to wikipedia first
So brakes dont make my rifle any louder. Everyone at the range can shut up now.
Where is your source for these claims? Not saying they are necessarily flawed..just didn't see the studies or tests to prove your case. It would be interesting to see how the decibel levels indoors compare to those outside. While I have not shot one of these devices in my home I have shot several in indoor ranges and there is a considerable difference in perceived sound to the shooter as well as to those in the range stall next to me.
Lol I doubt he has any sources or legitimate testing. Just seems like opinion.
On an ar 5.56 pistol (10.5 barrel) they make a noticeable difference when used in an indoor range. There are several designs I have tried. Not all are created equal in performance. I have not used them outdoors yet. And length and diameter matter. The recent DOJ/ATF redefinitions might make these NFA items depending on their definitions of certain terms.
So the pressure wave gets directed foward. So it quieter to the shooter and people next to them.
so long as there are no barriers around to reflect it back
Ca legal?
@@King_Of_Random_Vlogz probably too scary looking for commefornia
I have a linear comp on my 9 inch 300 blackout. All I have to say to anybody that disagrees about the home defense part of this video is to go take your rifle with a linear comp to an indoor gun range and tell me how it works out.
So is it good or bad for your 300 indoors?
@@MobileAura It going to be loud no matter what. Thing is that if a stranger deer breaks into your home and you have no other choice but to hunt that deer, loud noises will be the last thing on your mind.
I get the point about the sound coming back at you indoors, but doesn't this admit that the linear compensator actually does direct sound/blast forward? Especially considering you later state that it directs sound/blast away from people next to you. How does this not contradict your statement "Linear compensators do not redirect sound forward"? To make an analogy, it's like saying a gun doesn't fire a bullet forward because you can shoot at an angled plate that redirects it downward.
I’ve had this conversation with a LOT of potential customers about home defense and our products.
I thought they were for the range. So you don't blow your friends next to you away... 😂
This makes sense.
Its the blast wave (percussion) I was most interested in deflecting. It doesn't make sense to combine a muzzle compensator with a Blast deflector (linear compensator) does it?
Nor does it make sense to measure Db's for a pressure wave that can be measured using a strain gauge.
Excellent rundown, sir.
Sup rex! Thank you!
I have a kak flash can on my 7.5 inch 556 pistol and yes it does increase recoil a little but not much it is loud as hell but doesn't seem any louder than a birdcage on a 16 inch rifle. The kak can has made my pistol pleasant to shoot since it does seem to push the noise and everything forward of the gun instead back into me. So I do believe they work but never shot one inside so don't know about that though.
If it reduces the sound by 3db then it is reducing it to half of the initial sound level…in other words a noticeable difference. Reminds me of your example of a people with marketing degrees talking about stuff that people with engineering degrees should be discussing.
If I drop a 100lb plate flat side on a teacup from shoulder height it will destroy it. If instead it had been a 45lb plate, the teacup will not be less destroyed. Indeed, if it was a 25, it would still shatter it. This is because the kinetic energy involved is still orders of magnitude greater than the threshold it takes to break porcelain. Your ear is to the teacup as the sound wave is to the plate.
I think remember reading 'loudness' and damage isn't linear. So 103 to 105 is much more of a jump than 55 to 57 db.
@@VSO_Gun_Channelhearing damage is cumulative, generally not the instant trauma you described in your kitchen ceramics analogy. The dB scale is logarithmic, so a police siren is in the vicinity of 120 dB whereas a jet engine is around 130 dB. Your point about the sound of a gunshot reflecting off the walls of an apartment is well taken, but that indicates that there need to be more studies in enclosed spaces of various sizes using the methodology that was used to find the 3 dB figure outdoors. Then you can make a homogeneous comparison. You could be right about your conclusion, but it needs to be proven experimentally and statistically. You're right that marketers are trying to push products, not science. Engineers study the literature and have to back up any assertions with evidence, so you should too.
A booster on a krink was designed to increase pressure to aid the short stroke gas system. Call it dwell time but the designers called a booster to boost pressure. Just saying.
So... increased dwell time is harder on the gun. Isn’t there more pressure somewhere that’s forcing that bolt backwards.... that makes the gun run harder. Also there is noticeably less concussion when using something like a flash can on a 7.5” barrel that a three prong or a brake.... I know words mean things.... not trying to be a PITA... but whatever the correct term is called, they do things. 🤷🏼♂️
This is the best explanation yet! 💪🏽
The purpose of a linear compensator, separate you from your money.
A standard A2 flash hider is similarly effective at keeping blast off your buddies and actually mitigates flash and provides some muzzle rise compensation.
Interesting. Thought of getting an afterburner
@@comacoda not saying they are a bad idea but like anything in the world better versions or inventions are possible to be made
my go to guy. pure reason, truth and logic . new favorite channel. thank you Sir
That tiny thing that he's waving around in the vid is probably mostly decorative. What is highly functional though are the Bulgarian 4 piece type muzzle devices that a lot of people have on their AKs. These have a comparatively large volume, no holes in the front (besides one obviously) but a funnel. They swallow muzzle flash completely and do dampen noise to a level that is percievable. I accidentally caught a 7.62x39 round in an indoor range without hearing protection from a gun that had such a device on it. While being far from pleasant, my ears didn't ring or anything.
Second. Better than sliced bread on an Zas M92
Do you know if htere is anything like that I could get for an AR? I'd like .223 soft point for home defense but while my suppressor's in lock up I want to try to help deal with the blast.
I really appreciate this video I’m new to the AR platform so I was looking for muzzle devices and for some reason linear comps caught my attention, but you have opened my eyes sir. I will now not even bother with them and simply choose the muzzle brake I want.
You said it doesn't direct sound away from the shooter, and then literally pointed to a test that proved that it does.
You're absolutely right that it's not going to do shit when shooting indoors, but that doesn't mean it's not doing it's job.
And I've never even heard of this device until I watched this video, so I'm not being bias here.
Thanks! That’s all I want to do until I get a suppressor. I appreciate the detailed explanation!
i just bought a linear compensator for one reason. I want to run a 10" handguard on my 10." Rifle. i needed a muzzle device that did have side holes. And of course for the most important reason. It looks cool. I also dropped in a Gisselle braided spring and H2 Buffer to mitigate the dwell time impact.
Thank you so much for saving me money! I’m going to pass on the $1-200 options and get a socially conscious $30-40 courtesy upgrade.
If you haven't already, I'd really enjoy seeing your somewhat scientific breakdown of the witt machine SME (with shroud).
I've certainly (though unscientifically) used them and on my 20" barrel 308 AR it certainly seems to have the effects and characteristics (most) that these linear compensators tout in advertisments.
It's possible that it's a result of the 3 chamber brake that when the shroud is attached almost causes it to work similarly to a suppressor without an endcap.
Your input would be appreciated. If you've made a video on this SME device I didn't see it in search results.
If you have not. Please consider it.
have a kaw on a ruger x39 bolt gun and it definitely makes it more pleasant to shoot. for me.
I put a KAK blast can on my rifle because I wanted a "loudener".
Seeing how California banned flash hiders AND suppressors, the only way to not rock your range neighbor’s world is to have one of these devices.
Thought a "compensator" was the reduce muzzle rise only, unless a combo break&compensator supposedly designed to reduce recoil (break) and muzzle rise (compensator part of design).
Grand thumbs says you’re a liar about back pressure 😂
Good video THIS IS EXACTLY WHY I LOVE THE LINEAR COMPS.
A blank adapter is a back pressure increasing device but only for blanks
Linears also reduce muzzle flash radius by about 80%
But it looks cool all tucked in and all that! 😅🤣😂
I have a follow up question. You explained this subject well.
But do you know of any comps that direct some of the gasses up? And, if so, does it help reduce recoil?
Sorry if this is an annoying noob question. But compensators and suppressors aren't something I know much about.
I like your channel it's very informational on how things actually work in detail. Without losing someone with complicated details we wouldnt understand
TLDR: you know those guys with an AK with a muzzle brake that constantly blast you with gas and noise and brass (they throw brass about a quarter mile) ? The opposite of that
I have the Midwest Industries Blast Diverter on my 7.5" barreled AR pistol in 5.56. Shooting it is a...blast...
8:02
One of the most common AK brakes, which has two holes on each side angling gas slightly outward towards the open forward baffles which IN TURN reflect the gas rearward at an outward angle will make anyone close to the perimeter of that "reverse cone" unhappy : )
Just picture horizontal lines coming from your muzzle backwards at a 45-degree angle on each side. I tell people: "You don't want to stand there."
Thank you. I was looking for compensators, but now realize I don't actually need any. I buy military spec rifles and they all come with very competent flash hiders.
Hop from TFBTV think the standard A2 flash hiders that come on EVERY rifle are the best in the biz. They cost $2. He calls the muzzle device market a "false economy". I have to agree with his frankness.
I agree with your analysis, as a matter fact i tried it and i didn’t notice a difference in the sound, actually maybe the bird cage works better.
So looking cool I guess still matters since it was not on the list lolz.
Looking cool on Instagram is life
I think you're missing the REAL reason people should use them.
They look cool.
It's still a reduction though. Yeah it's not a suppressor, but it's still reducing the sound your ears are directly absorbing. Bouncing soundwaves lose energy.
If I was on fire and had the opportunity to lower the temperature of the flames by 3 degrees for $100, I'd take that deal.
A 3db reduction means 50% decrease right?
That doesn’t mean half the damage. It’s a limit.
Think of radiation. If you are exposed to 500rem but have 250rem shielding on, you are still dead.
3 dB is noticeable. I think I read the human ear can detect 2.5 dB or more difference in sound levels (acoustic power).
Thank you. I saw some for sale and thought it looked cool. I figured it was marketing and I’m in marketing. lol. Well sales anyway. I’m sure some will argue. That’s the internet. All are experts. I am not even close. I’ve shot a lot but no expert. I have a ringing in my right ear from 40plus years ago. Some idiot through up a 308 next to my head. He didn’t shoot me he just shot next to me. Very close to me. Loved the video.
If you need to shoot somebody, in your home sound ,blast, flash, doesn't mean anything. Just do it 👍
I wish I was 35 again and knew it all !!! Ok nevermind
I have to partially disagree with you. I recently put a vg6 epsilon 556 on a 11.5 build and the blast was horrible, even with earplugs it was still painful. Bad enough that i only shot off 5 rounds on the new build and i was done with it. I replaced it with a 3" blast can, took it back out and it made a massive difference.
Yessss. Finally someone says it. Muzzle breaks are cool and all, but I hate shooting near my friends with muzzle brakes. F the recoil, help a homie out
Video starts @ 2:11
3:30 Colored phallic symbols appeared and wished me into adolescence. Great video asshats……have a stellar existence.
I figured it could make a difference outdoors vs indoors; still can’t help but wonder about 9mm. I mean that it’d probably works well with a 9mm PCC or braced pistol, PDW, etc.
4:51 this guy never heard of a Krink booster
Title “What’s it Do” = “What is it Do”.
😂
THANK YOU
Do the sound test indoor
is there a What's it do for flash cans?
you just watched it lol
I live in Blue Jersey, and they say i cant have my standard Bird cage OR my Bayonet Lug So i did not want a compensator to begin with so i took the road of the least invasive to change the effect of my rifle in as it does the same thing as my Bird cage And My Bayonet fits around it even Better than the cage Albeit after i remove my bayonet Slash rifle sling adapter that covers the lug ARRHH So yea i Like my Linear compensator for it does what i need it to do and that's not much but keeping things as close to original as possible LOL PS Don't use blade of Bayonet on screw to remove sling doohickey lug cover adapter trauma finger thing,
I cut my AR flash hider in half with a hacksaw. With a little filing, it looks good with nothing for sound to bounce back.
I rock the vg6 epsilon on both my AR pistols. Great for recoil management and follow ups. Also great to disrupt the world around you
8:02 INCORRECT. That thing is called a monkey stomp.
If you fire one near someone's' head, they will monkey stomp you into the ground, until your body hits the point of liquefaction.
It’s been hard to find info about this, thank you!!
I got a kx3 way back for dwell on my "pistol" the concussion side effect was definitely a plus but the rearward impulse seemed to increase from the rocket engine nozzle geometry. My brothers 74 brake will consistently blur your vision in the same proximity.
ya know, a flash suppressor reduces flash but does little to nothing to reduce recoil. a brake or comp lowers muzzle rise or felt recoil but leaves a nasty flash and report. If only there was a muzzle device that has the advantages of neither............☺
Probably the only way they reduce recoil is by weight. Just because they have something like a surface perpendicular to the bore doesn't mean the gasses beeing blown against that surface would push the rifle forward. That would be as effective as sitting in a boat and blowing into your own sail. That's not how brakes work. They work by redirecting the gasses to the side or even slightly backwards. They don't push or pull on baffles.
So is making the bolt run harder and faster just a byproduct of increasing dwell time? And if you increase dwell time, does the pressure not increase because of that?
somebody never heard of the xm177
Good explanation and the final descriptive graphic is a good explanation
I know I am wasting my breath here because VSO never replies to commenters. I have an 18” mid gas gun that I run a linear comp on. The recoil is vastly different on that rifle when I swap it out for any other muzzle device. It improves the follow up shots, it does check some recoil (more than negligible), but not a massive amount.
That’s not true. I respond to a lot of commenters. I have a separate email address that logs them all so I can read them when I have time. There are 1761 emails in the inbox currently.
To address your comment: I assume that you are commenting pertaining to my silencer vs linear comp comments. If you were after real recoil reduction the silencer would be infinitely better. As stated in the video: I have never said blast forward devices don’t work. What I am saying is their results are blow out of proportion relative to something that works really well, like a suppressor.
“You say something enough times and, eventually, it becomes true.” So THAT’S how the White House sells that shit.
Trump and russia and c nineteen as examples.
That and 6 mil died.
When he disregarded 3dB, I then disregarded this channel.
A "buddy muzzle device".
What length of barrel was used for the sound reduction test? I suspect the effects of a linear comp are much more significant on SBR length barrels (with rifle calibers) due to the big concussive blast they will have even without a comp. Just having a 16 inch barrel alone without any device already cuts that down a lot. But maybe the Bulgarian 4-piece linear comp on my AK pistol makes me biased.
I am actually guilty of buying the B&T blast deflector. But I was also fully aware that a linear comp is for reducing the felt blast for Shooters standing on the next bay.
That beeing said I think the B&T Blast deflectoer makes more sense than a regular linear comp, as the B&T Blast deflector is made to be quickly mounted over a regular comp or muzzle break.
I have it mounted on a very nice B&T muzzle break that I have on a 308 and a 5.56 gun and its actually pretty nice to be able to reduce the muzzle blast when ever there is someone standing next to me trying to make good hits.
That beeing said, I dont use the Blast deflector much.
But I can see it as probably better than nothing solution for hunting purposes when a supressor is not allowed/available.
ok so you have a muzzel device that pushes all the gas out the front but im wrong? its not a suppessor or break or flash hider.. its a wast of money....
I bought a linear comp for my ak pistol and it made the fireball smaller and some noise, doing its job definitely takes concussion off the shooter compared to most muzzle breaks
Only the concussion should matter on a linear comp , unless you have a SML Witt machine lol it works different aka not a can