@@VSO_Gun_Channel Db Meters cost $20 to $180. If we donate $20 will you measure the dB difference? I mean, you can even just use an app on your phone, lol.
@@shawnveneziano9013 have you ever taken video at a concert and play ot back over an actual speaker? It sounds like dog shit because phone mics can't handle the db levels so im imagine they would be just as inaccurate with guns
@@Wigglers001 nah ur good. People only judge you when your playing candy crush so long you get semi permanent ring on ur ass from the seat and when you stand up you can't walk for 5 mins cus your legs fell asleep......or so I'm told....
The dimples are for your ability to fine tune the comp to the gun which is why they are located at 1,5,7, and 11 o'clock. If your muzzle rises up and left for instance, start by drilling the forward most 11 o'clock dimple and re shoot. If needed drill 2nd dimple and so on. The 5 and 7 o'clock dimples are for you to correct the previously described process if overcompensated.
That seems risky to drill holes in it. Why not trying to time the muzzle device off center from the 12 o'clock position as needed? Or would that not help because there are no holes in the 12 o'clock position?
@@___meph___4547 Because drilling holes is semi permanent... but as Will-W just pointed out you can plug the hole with a set screw and some lock-tight. lol
I bought this compensator after watching the video a few months ago. After installing it on my AR, I made a trip to our local range. The RSO was amazed at the complete lack of muzzle jump or recoil movement when I shot, which allowed three shots in three seconds in a .7" group at 100 yards. One thing to note, however, the noise coming back to your ears is very loud compared to not having the compensator on the rifle. So much so that I suffered a damaged left ear drum when my hearing protector slipped back as I fired my last shot.
Well sir maybe you have sensitive ears.. on 16" ar15 I didn't notice the sound difference between this and standard A2. However, there was significant recoil reduction with this muzzle brake than using the A2.
Suppressors are for less concussive blast, sound reduction/confusion, and hiding muzzle flash. Comparing a brake or comp to a suppressor in regards to recoil isn’t really viable
After spending 20 years in the military, I have quite a bit of hearing loss. Even though wearing ear plugs, I believe that the way the composite helmet is designed, it traps noises and seems to magnify the noise. It seemed to take several hours after using live fire that my ears would stop ringing. Great testing and engineering setup!
I thought your hydraulic trigger mechanism was absolutely genius. I’ve always thought linear comps were a bit odd. This brake seems to work very well! Great content as always, much love from Texas!
Just want to say the idea to use the syringes for a quick hydraulic actuator was bloody brilliant. Much better than the normal long string (which obviously would not work for this experiment). I love it.
It's still not measuring directional recoil only net backward pressure, which is basically not a useful measurement for time to recenter for improved rapid fire accuracy which is the reason why anyone would ever use a compensator.
Yeah that way he can apply more force on the suppressed and non-suppressed so apollo9 max(sponsor) comes out on top and also stop the video when he wants for the recoil test
4:16, the dimples are made to be drilled out if you need additional recoil control. If it’s still hopping after putting it up, you can drill out two holes, and keep going until recoil is under control
The dimples are for you to tune the brake to reduce muzzle climb to your preference. Many brakes have these features. You literally drill them out in the quantity and diameter required to get the desired effect. You can also do it asymmetrically to account for handedness. Mass is important, since adding mass to the gun will inherently reduce how much the firearm as a system moves under the same amount of recoil force. The bare gun, and the gun with two muzzle devices had different masses. The solution to this for your test rig, would be to add ballast to the gun so that every set up weighs the same. Also add some high contrast markings to the arm to make it easier and more consistent to track. Outside of a sled set up, load cell, or hall effect sensor... I think you could get reasonable results for like for like comparisons this way.
I’m old school long time competitive shooter since mid-80s, NFA RO, and NFA match director since mid-90s and totally disagree with your assessment between compensators and suppressors! Owned many different compensators I’ve designed since mid-80s, NFA machine guns since 1990 and suppressors starting 1994 receiving my last suppressor few months ago! Ahhh, absolutely no comparison between comps and cans..! None, zero..! However do agree never use crush washers on anything beyond A1 birdcage flash hiders..! All comps needs be timed indexed correctly for accuracy and uniformed gas expansion..! But no way in hell one can compare comps to cans..! Nonetheless agree to disagree on particular subject matter really enjoy your informative videos!!!
I use the Ultradyne Apollo LR on my PRS rifle and it reduces recoil around the 63% range on a sled. I tested several suppressors and they reduced it around 21%, the same as he saw. I love shooting suppressed but in matches where you need to see your impacts and or misses, the Ultradyne works way better than a suppressor! I also don't like testing on a swing, because when you have vents pointing up, that downward force will cause your rifle to swing back. But on a sled which to me and I am not nearly as smart as this guy, but to me it mimics real life shooting more. When you shoot and the blast goes up, it is not pushing the rifle backwards it is pushing the front down. So swings are deceiving when it comes to devices that have upward facing vents. Also the longer the barrel the more affect the upward vents will have...at least that make sense to me! Now the dimples are for extra down force. If you need more rise control, drill a few of them out. But great video, I love your stuff!! Also your hydraulic trigger....fricking genius!!!
Compensators are supposed to compensate for muzzle rise, not necessarily recoil. I'm not sure why you would think otherwise. It should surprise nobody that there may still be considerable recoil on a solely compensated firearm. Muzzle brakes are intended to reduce felt recoil. These two concepts are not the same thing. Many people confuse what these devices are intended to do. That does not mean compensators don't compensate, or that muzzle brakes don't muzzle brake. It may mean that compensators don't necessarily muzzle brake, and muzzle brakes don't necessarily compensate. People being dumb doesn't mean the devices don't actually do what they're intended to do. Some compensators compensate for rise and additionally have the features of a muzzle brake incorporated to reduce felt recoil. What you hold in your hand is a compensator with the features of a muzzle brake - one might get away with calling it a compensated muzzle brake.
@@totenfurwotan4478 Yeah, I agree with this. I'm not sure how some of these people get the following they do. Maybe they look the part or something but this guy has all sorts of stuff confused yet still has a following that will watch his videos.
Competitive shooters understand what comps are for...making the gun shoot flat with no rise or fall during rapid fire. This guy appears confused. If you want less recoil, change the springs or weights in the buffer tube to match your loads. You hit the nail on its head.
One thing about gun video channels I love. Is when they admit it's not scientific , but look at this! I made a thing! It kinda works. I saw my failure, and tried to fix it!
Really informative content. I still prefer suppressors over compensators…. Actually, I hate compensators…. Much rather go with a flash hider, or better yet: a suppressor. Everyone have a great day!
In order to accurately compare the force equations you need to use the total weight with each muzzle device, not just the weight of the device. In addition where the weight is added matters. Add ten pounds at the bottom of the grip and you will see quite a change.
I have one of these, originally mounted it on a CZ-572 (7.62x39). It kicks somewhere between a bolt action 22 and an A2 pattern AR-15. It's completely comical. The muzzle blast is equally silly. The first time I fired it, it cleared all my targets off the bench and ripped a few of them. The muzzle was several feet above the bench. I've removed it and it's sitting on my desk now. Recoil reduction is incredible, but it is simply too obnoxious.
That thing is ridiculous! Installed it on an R700 in .308 and it seriously turned it into a .223 in terms of recoil and muzzle rise. I easily put 50 rounds down range with 0 soreness. I didn't want to stop shooting it. Out of a 20 inch barrel you are going to get blast anyway so might as well use it to your advantage. Highly recommend if you want fast follow up shots.
💥🔫The title of the vid is misleading. It says "Muzzle Brake" but u keep describing a "Compensator"...there is a difference. Muzzle brakes mostly reduce recoil, while Compensators mostly reduce muzzle movement. I still gave u a thumbs up 4 Support👍🇺🇸
I put a comp on my 5.56ar and it was awesome. There was hardly any recoil. Granted I had an older model ar and it was heavy so I'm sure that helped as well. But you have to use ear protection when shooting it if not, the sound coming from the side ports will blow your ear drums.
No criticism or suggestions to offer…just awesome job man. I want a reason to like ultradyne and separate myself from $400 for their sight/comp combo and you and Christian Grest are really helping my confirmation bias
@@toytowninc680 ultradyne makes great stuff. I have their c4 sights and I love them. Didn't go for the comp mounted sight cause I like it better on my rail, even though I understand the accuracy benefits, but still, it's a great setup and I imagine their comps work well.
I've never noticed a can lessening recoil. The sheer mass of a suppressor will reduce muzzle rise and felt recoil because they usually add around 1lb of weight to the firearm. For me I usually see a bump in recoil from the use of a can as the additional backpressure equates to cyclic rate speed increases in most firearms. Just what I've noticed.
For AKs and Galils you can buy an adjustable gas piston from KNS Precision. About $150.00. It reduces recoil and makes the brass easier to find. I have one and it works.
@@jacobwhittaker6241 it is absolutely unbearable if you are next to one if it is on an SBR or 16" 308. For the shooter it isnt as bad. But if you want a gamer gun it is a go to!!! I shoot a 12.5 mid with a Lmos and this comp and it is possible to double tap silhouettes at 100yrds.
There are four muzzle devices/functions, compensator, suppressor, muzzle brake and flash hider. Some of these functions can be combined into one mechanical device but some perform opposite functions. A pure flash hider resembles a muzzle brake but the vents are usually aimed at 90degrees laterally from the barrel. A flash hider might reduce the felt recoil by a slight amount. Think Patton tank. A pure compensator is more often seen on pistols. It can be a short barrel extension, sometimes weighted, with slots (Cutts comp) or holes at or near the top or holes milled into the top of the barrel. Its sole purpose is to mitigate barrel flip when firing. It can be made to lower tolerances than suppressors. This device function in the exact opposite way of a flash hider. A pure muzzle brake has vents which are aimed laterally and back. It can also be made to lower tolerances. Look at a Barrett 82A1 for the ultimate design. A friend fired an 82A1 and he said the jet exhaust pulled the gun away from his shoulder. The Energetic Vox tested was a pure suppressor. It is called a "can" because like a can it does not have holes in the sides. All gasses escape out the front of the "can". For a "can" to function properly and last for a while, it must be made and mounted precisely. The Apollo Max is a combination of a muzzle brake and a compensator and a bit of a flash hider. You can see the lateral vents angled back and the two holes at the end angled up. For a combination device like this there is a limited amount of gas jet. The designer would have to decide how much braking thrust and how much compensator thrust to allow. If it didn't have the compensator holes at the muzzle, the braking effect would be greater. Perhaps a suppressor could be designed that was quiet and had a bit of a compensator effect. P.S. You don't want to stand next to someone with a large muzzle brake on their gun of you will be eating a lot of burned gunpowder.
Had a leather jacket that was left too close to a .50 when it fired, the force and powder tore holes in it. Sadly, my poor choice of placement of said coat, cost me the coat. It was unsalvageable. And man I was glad i wasn’t wearing it and standing there.
Mass has a significant effect on the weapon movement. You should be putting an impact measuring device (with a small amount of pre-load) at the rear of the gun to hold the weapon steady. That should mitigate the mass (inertia) of the different devices.
@@VSO_Gun_Channel why do you want to account for the mass change? If I have a 50kg block that attaches to the trigger guard, and I say it is a recoil reducer, you simply test to see if it reduces recoil.........if I claim a device A reduces recoil more than device B then you simply test the recoil of the 2 devices........now if you want claim the winner is the winner because it has 10g more, then you test that as another test
@@rugershooter5268 Because you can accomplish the same thing with math using a lot less time and energy. If you just want to argue it would be a good video, you are likely right... but not if you are arguing that it is something that needs to be tested.
I got real shoulder bruiser. .50 cal black powder, 7.5 lb stainless with a 4 x12 scope. I am about as fond of it with full 150 grain and 30 caliber sabot charge as a having gout attack. Looks great hanging on the wall.
Brakes tend to have about double the performance for recoil compared to cans. (though brands vary a lot) Oft overlooked is flash suppression. Which is great on a can after shot 1 (uses up the O2 inside the can), but pretty noticeable on shot 1 (usually). So really there's 3 different things you can do at the muzzle. And there's significant compromises if you try to do more than one of those things. Personally I think cans & flash sups are the more valuable options in practice. Cans are probably the best overall, but at night, a near 100% flash sup is pretty amazing.
I had a bolt action BSA .458 Win mag that weighed 7.5 pounds with an amazing muzzle brake that reduced recoil substantially. It made me an advocate of not only muzzle brakes but also double hearing protection. It wasn't the BANG, it was the SCREECH when shooting the 458 that popped your ears. It was also quite unpleasant for anyone standing to the side. Awesome gun! Jess
who wants to carry hearing protection when hunting? maybe in a shooting house. I could maybe see using a compensator at the bench by yourself but only then. all it takes is one time to forget the protection and you will have hearing damage if you are a older shooter.
@@charleswittmer Who wants to be able to hear with reasonable clarity? I have been using ear-pro forever and at nearly seventy years of age, I can still appreciate some of the subtleties of music. There is NATURAL hearing degradation and there is that cause by excessive exposure to modern, electro-mechanical life; Hearing degradation from your own muzzle blast exposure is akin to a self-inflicted wound. How many combat troops are "failed on teh hearing tests on "medical boards. It happens a LOT. Modern, ACTIVE ear-muffs are a wonderful thing, as long as you can keep the batteries replaced / recharged
20+ years ago we talked a gun hating high school English teacher into going to a ranch in the NorCal mountains to try various rifles. One guy brought a 44 pound 50BMG target rifle with a muzzle brake the size of a Coke can. She loved that 50 cal so much that she must have burned up 25 rounds. The muzzle brake really tamed the recoil...but the noise was awful. That's a rifle you don't shoot when hung over. The big laugh was that she later shot an old WWII Russian Mosin Nagant and quit after firing 2 rounds because the recoil was so savage. That was a very memorable day and she came away with a whole new attitude about firearms.
I gathered a lot from this video. You are a lot like me. My mom says the first word out of my mouth was "why"? Most video I watch are produced by folks who like to hear themselves talk. Your delivery was excellent. Short straight and to the point. Loved the creativity in design and build of your testing device. I'd like to see a test for pure linear energy and barrel rise. Would be a more accurate test for what one sees and feels when shooting. If anybody can do it, I'd say you're the man. Just a note,it looks like your trigger actuator is actually "pneumatic". I couldn't tell if there was fluid in the system or just air but judging from the action/reaction times I am guessing air. Yeah I am nit picky but that's part of the reason I so enjoyed the video. I subscribed to your channel and look forward to viewing some of your videos.
I have to say this is definitely one of the best if not the best brakes on the market. I have one on the end of a 7mm rem mag and due to whatever kind of sorcery they used it has a lighter recoil implulse than a 6.5 creedmoor. The down side of course is that nobody wants to go shooting with you since they go deaf anywhere except directly behind the gun.
I used to have this on my M1A(.308) and I loved the shooting experience but good god it was heavy and long with the adaptor compared to my Percision Armament EFAB. The weight with the adaptor was so profound that I notice a drastic different in the timing and control going from low ready to fire.
I have this comp on my LR.308 and IT WORKS. All the reviews stated that it’s too much. I disagree. It is freaking loud. I will definitely pay attention to what’s left of the recoil and possibly start drilling dimples to suit if needed. Appreciate the knowledge from the fellas that know WAY more than me. First long range rifle, first scope, first bipod …. Second drop in trigger. This shits getting in my blood…. Bout to spend some real money …
I hate being beside someone shooting a comp, I've been known to go sit in the truck until they finish their assault on the ears of everyone else on the range. Linear comps are not compensators at all, in my opinion. To me they are just blast cans with better flash suppression. I have blast cans on an AR pistol (Huge fireball) and a 7.62x39 AR, but all they are about is putting the sound downrange. I wouldn't mind having one on my primary, but the A2 flash suppressor works well enough.
I have the Ultradyne Apollo Max which I installed on my AR (S&W MP15). Recoil reduction was amazing. Gas blow back was blinding and suffocating. Had to clean my LPVO about every 10 rounds. Took it off and replace with Lantac Dragon which does not reduce recoil as much as the Ultradyne but has no blowback.
Dimples are to be drilled out by the end user to fine tune the horizontal compensation and if you need any shift left/right for which hand you shoot from... if that makes sense.
I just rewatched this video. U do an amazing job on letting science do the review. Also good job on the "pneumatic trigger puller". That's some ingenuity at its best.
What is the change in sound level (DB) at the shooter's ear by adding this device? Would you measure this for us? I would guess it actually makes the shot louder to the shooter, because it vents the gasses backwards towards the shooter.
Hydrologic trigger was brilliant. I would consider this comp if it had a real obvious ability to hide muzzle flash. I kinda stick with what's proven. A2 birdcage slightly mitigates recoil and significantly reduces muzzle flash.
but how important is it to actually reduce muzzle flash? are you running suppressed? at night? ans where are tou most likely to be shooting and at what? of night vision isn't a part of the scenario. personally I think the a2 gets more credit than deserved. hm defense (a severely underrated company) has a great muzzle device. especially when flash motivation is a nessesity
@@FreedomInc no suppressor available because of location. Secondly, several of the scenarios that would involve the rifles I would attach this to would be used more often at night when movement is most concealed. Don't get me wrong A2 isn't perfect. In comparison to other videos where brakes and comps are compared at muzzle flash reduction. A2 is usually up there with the best of both worlds. Not saying it is the best, but it works for my needs.
@@tkoz7856 Look into the precision armament EFAB or AFAB. I run the efab and it's the only hybrid device that actually does everything. It's primary function is flash mitigation. It does as well as an A2 could without being an A2 - literally 99% of an A2 but with a bit of a brake built in. TTAG did a test on flash hiders and muzzle brakes and it was in both for raw # data.
i have one of these and absolutely love it. One thing I will say though is anyone standing to your left or right behind you will get blasted with gas. I let my buddy fire off a mag and i was a couple feet behind him to the side and it was noticeable. Sadly suppressors are not legal where live. This product is great though and I would highly recommend
Interesting. I went through several compensators in my quest for the perfect setup. Most of the time, they just made my rifles uncomfortably loud for the shooter and unbearable for spectators. I finally got old and could afford to start suppressing things. Turns out that my favorite rifle isn't even a rifle. CMMG Banshee MK10, 8in. barrel with a Banish 45 can. About th most fun you can have with your clothes on.
In reading through the comments, I think there may be some confusion among viewers regarding word “suppressor”. Some think it is referencing flash “suppressor” while others believe it is sound “suppressor” aka “silencer”.
I have a vg6 gamma on one of my rifles (pretty similar to the design of this one) and it works very nicely. I wouldn't turn my nose up at ultradyne at all...just haven't had the chance to buy one yet. Don't have anymore guns that are threaded so...oh darn..guess I'll just have to go buy me another gun. Isn't life just a bummer sometimes?
I got this on mine and it does make it louder and anyone back to the side gets slammed. But it does make the recoil virtually not there. If you aren’t running a suppressor this thing kills and makes you deadly accurate shooting fast.
A suppressor isn't designed to reduce recoil. It just happens sometimes. But a compensator is made to reduce recoil, and muzzle rise. But is loud as the gun ever was!
I got a fake suppressor on my 300 blackout, it does help when shooting, but what I like the most, it helps reflect most of the noise forward and not backwards as bad. I've enjoyed it enough I got one for my 5.56 Nato, and 468 uppers. Can't find a good one for the 6.5 Creedmoor yet, got a company trying to make one now that works
I would imagine that really any aggressive muzzle brake that has rear facing baffles will outperform a suppressor simply because the gas is being redirected rather than captured.
You should definitely give the M4-72 severe duty comp from precision atmament a try. Slightly larger than an A2 bird cage and also one of the better performing comp's I've tried. Downsides are that it is a bit on the expensive side and that it is loud, especially to the people arround you.
Definitely not friendly to be near when new shooters fail to properly use their ear pro. Even in a .223, all that gas/concussion is pretty noticeable if you're anywhere besides directly behind the rifle.
Love this comp on my ar10. Fixed stock, 20 inch heavy barrel and the recoil is not harsh at all. Now the muzzle blast is horrendous on the range I have access to because of the dang front baffle, double up on the hearing protection or you will hear the ringing.
Seriously?? Youre going to claim with a straight face that one of the primary roles of a Suppressor is Reduce Recoil....we all know its sound supression, which helps protect the shooter/team mates, and along with the flash supression helps disguise where the shot is coming from...or if were talking subsonic .22lr and some other subs will make it is not even distinguishable as a gunshot.... Recoil reduction is just an added benefit. Nobody pays $200 tax plus $500-$1500 for recoil reduction.
Interesting test-setup...would've been interesting to see with other comps (and suppressors, like e.g. the flow through from OSS or others) I've used the SJC Titan previously, works very well...could've been interesting to see it against the Ultradyne as the SJC is a bit older...
Match up has been done on both and Apollo did considerably better,just like comparing the titan vs. Lesser competitors on the market.....if you want the best ultradyne is it hands down
Agree, except in some very specific circumstances, the Brake is better than a Suppressor. The instances I count are eliminating sentries or guard dogs and in very limited circumstances security lights and sensors.
Let's see any politician work a AR. Let's see a politician actually say what AR is? And why is it a politician has a legal right to carry into the capital and yet to remove the right of the citizen of owning your gun. And yet these politicians have armed establishment?
I added an Apollo to my Ruger American in 6.5CM. I believe it is a 5 fin. While I made the report much louder it dropped the recoil to that of less than a 223. Many people asked me why I did this. Answer is I wanted to be able to spot my own bullet strikes out past 300 and into 700 yards. It works great and has greatly increased my confidence in an already great rifle. If you have been shooting for even a little while you will know that the worst problem you can have with a rifle is your confidence in it. Limited confidence will make you second guess everything.
I’ll pick up a suppressor when the NFA gets repealed. Until then, my cheap linear comp will have to do as a flash hider on my pistol build. I have no desire to play “mother may I” with the ATF beyond the 4473.
That’s not a compensator. It’s a break. And no, it’s not more effective at sound reduction than a suppressor. And the primary purpose of a suppressor is most certainly not recoil reduction. Fail bigly in the 1st minute.
I have Apollo Max on all my 556 and 762 rifles. For 45-70 I went to Grizzly, as they would make me the bore and thread combo I needed. Similar and also impressive.
Loved the video, test rig was genius in application and I appreciate the work performed to calculate the percentage of reduction in recoil. The only thing missing was what increase in sound did the shooter receive by using a muzzle break.
I'll have to try that one. I have a JP Eliminator in .223 Wylde and an Area 419 Match for my 6mm ARC which both work amazingly. Thanks for giving me a third option to try.
The dimples in the top and bottom are pilot holes for drilling through the brake. The hyper tap has those as well. Whichever side is top up can have the holes drilled through and have additional venting to prevent muzzle climb.The hyper tap has 75% reduced felt recoil according to its producer. My experience is that statement is true.
We’ve been buying these inexpensive Chinese rear angled Barrett style compensators for years. $15 can get you one. Greatly reduces recoil and the sharpness of the report.
Love all of my Ultradyne Comps. Have the 6.5 Apollo Max on my 6.5 Grendel AR-15 and barely feel anything. Also have one on my 7mm-08 AR-10, 300 win mag and 28 Nosler bolt guns.
I use a Hyscore shooting rest ( Gas Dampened) comes with a hydraulic trigger pull. Anyway. I got it for around $150.00 including shipping from Midway USA. I use it for load development, setting optics, and testing long guns, shot guns and carbines after rebuilds. It’s a very good tool for all kinds of research and development on firearms. I never liked lead sleds. Before I got the Hyscore shooting rest. I just used bi pods and stock elevating rest. Get the Hyscore shooting rest. It is an economical affordable shooting rest that takes you to a more professional level.
I put a linear compensator and a muzzle brake on my AR 15. The muzzle brake gave me much better results. I keyholed more shots consistently and the muzzle rise was practically nonexistent. The compensator did not come close to what the brake provided.
I own a Remington stainless synthetic in 300 RUM , I've been shooting over 40 years , my first shot got 5 stitches in my eyebrow , got a muzzle break from a machine shop that attaches with Allen screws now its requoil is that of a 243
I have it. It works well but blows gas back toward your face. I actually accidentally lit my sighting bag on fire with just a couple shots. After a few rounds, you forget about the gas blowback. Its a good product. Just be aware so you are not shocked when you get it.
Would this work well on a HK-91? Also, how does it work, exactly? Does it allow escaping gas to change direction from forward to backward? I’ve never heard of it before. You are very clear with your words. You speak well. Thanks, Paul
Congratulations on your set up that you designed. I have see somthing similar on a sled like apparutus. I think originally they were designed to hide muzzle flash and dust throw up. On a 45-70 there is definitely a reduction in kickback
Lot's of us want to see sound measurement comparison.
Then lots of you can donate to the Patreon account and I’ll buy the $20K meter.
@@VSO_Gun_Channel I take it a $20 decibel meter from Amazon wouldn’t cut it?
@@VSO_Gun_Channel Db Meters cost $20 to $180. If we donate $20 will you measure the dB difference? I mean, you can even just use an app on your phone, lol.
@@shawnveneziano9013 thanks for the meme material
@@shawnveneziano9013 have you ever taken video at a concert and play ot back over an actual speaker? It sounds like dog shit because phone mics can't handle the db levels so im imagine they would be just as inaccurate with guns
Of all the UA-cam metrics, we should know how much of the audience is watching this from the bathroom.
I was😂👋
Delaying the wipe as one of our favorites says....
I feel judged.....
@@Wigglers001 nah ur good. People only judge you when your playing candy crush so long you get semi permanent ring on ur ass from the seat and when you stand up you can't walk for 5 mins cus your legs fell asleep......or so I'm told....
I can confirm this
Thank God there’s finally a product that can mitigate the crushing recoil from 5.56.
hahaha
It is better on the 308 - but yes, see your point ;)
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Exactly. Which is why a linear comp is the next best thing to a suppressor
Haha, I measure all recoil from an incident I can still recall from 66 years ago when a skinny 6 year old fired his father’s 30.06 for the first time.
The dimples are for your ability to fine tune the comp to the gun which is why they are located at 1,5,7, and 11 o'clock. If your muzzle rises up and left for instance, start by drilling the forward most 11 o'clock dimple and re shoot. If needed drill 2nd dimple and so on. The 5 and 7 o'clock dimples are for you to correct the previously described process if overcompensated.
That seems risky to drill holes in it. Why not trying to time the muzzle device off center from the 12 o'clock position as needed? Or would that not help because there are no holes in the 12 o'clock position?
@@TheFlyingZulu if it's too much you can just thread the hole and put a set screw with some high temp lock-tight on it.
@@___meph___4547 Because drilling holes is semi permanent... but as Will-W just pointed out you can plug the hole with a set screw and some lock-tight. lol
@@TheFlyingZulu 🤣🤣
Just turn the comp a little. Done!
I bought this compensator after watching the video a few months ago. After installing it on my AR, I made a trip to our local range. The RSO was amazed at the complete lack of muzzle jump or recoil movement when I shot, which allowed three shots in three seconds in a .7" group at 100 yards. One thing to note, however, the noise coming back to your ears is very loud compared to not having the compensator on the rifle. So much so that I suffered a damaged left ear drum when my hearing protector slipped back as I fired my last shot.
Thank you for saving my hearing. Not for me.
Time to play the game, whose more full of crap??
Well sir maybe you have sensitive ears.. on 16" ar15 I didn't notice the sound difference between this and standard A2. However, there was significant recoil reduction with this muzzle brake than using the A2.
So how is this muzzle brake better than a suppressor?
@@adloutdoors It's not - just clickbait like everything else on the internet these days
Suppressors are for less concussive blast, sound reduction/confusion, and hiding muzzle flash. Comparing a brake or comp to a suppressor in regards to recoil isn’t really viable
..to me it’s just LAUGHABLE that the guy would even go “THERE”.
Yea, I agree. Not a great comparison. Apples to oranges...
Hey, my apples taste more like apples than these oranges do…I think I’ll do a UA-cam video!
Agreed
He needs to have both to make an actual comparison
Exactly.
After spending 20 years in the military, I have quite a bit of hearing loss. Even though wearing ear plugs, I believe that the way the composite helmet is designed, it traps noises and seems to magnify the noise. It seemed to take several hours after using live fire that my ears would stop ringing. Great testing and engineering setup!
It's click bait, but also true at the same time.
He'll say: "better than a suppressor at mitigating recoil".
Doesn't make the title any better though.
I know! The ultimate chode
Yeah that's annoying
No. At 5.35 he says suppressors are the best.
I thought your hydraulic trigger mechanism was absolutely genius. I’ve always thought linear comps were a bit odd. This brake seems to work very well! Great content as always, much love from Texas!
Bloody brilliant idea, with the pneumatic syringe jerry-rig! You're a smart bloke.
Just want to say the idea to use the syringes for a quick hydraulic actuator was bloody brilliant. Much better than the normal long string (which obviously would not work for this experiment). I love it.
It's still not measuring directional recoil only net backward pressure, which is basically not a useful measurement for time to recenter for improved rapid fire accuracy which is the reason why anyone would ever use a compensator.
Mythbusters used to use syringes for this until they went electronic.
Yeah that way he can apply more force on the suppressed and non-suppressed so apollo9 max(sponsor) comes out on top and also stop the video when he wants for the recoil test
4:16, the dimples are made to be drilled out if you need additional recoil control. If it’s still hopping after putting it up, you can drill out two holes, and keep going until recoil is under control
Good to know.
The dimples are for you to tune the brake to reduce muzzle climb to your preference. Many brakes have these features. You literally drill them out in the quantity and diameter required to get the desired effect. You can also do it asymmetrically to account for handedness.
Mass is important, since adding mass to the gun will inherently reduce how much the firearm as a system moves under the same amount of recoil force. The bare gun, and the gun with two muzzle devices had different masses.
The solution to this for your test rig, would be to add ballast to the gun so that every set up weighs the same.
Also add some high contrast markings to the arm to make it easier and more consistent to track.
Outside of a sled set up, load cell, or hall effect sensor... I think you could get reasonable results for like for like comparisons this way.
I’m old school long time competitive shooter since mid-80s, NFA RO, and NFA match director since mid-90s and totally disagree with your assessment between compensators and suppressors! Owned many different compensators I’ve designed since mid-80s, NFA machine guns since 1990 and suppressors starting 1994 receiving my last suppressor few months ago!
Ahhh, absolutely no comparison between comps and cans..! None, zero..! However do agree never use crush washers on anything beyond A1 birdcage flash hiders..! All comps needs be timed indexed correctly for accuracy and uniformed gas expansion..!
But no way in hell one can compare comps to cans..!
Nonetheless agree to disagree on particular subject matter really enjoy your informative videos!!!
I use the Ultradyne Apollo LR on my PRS rifle and it reduces recoil around the 63% range on a sled. I tested several suppressors and they reduced it around 21%, the same as he saw. I love shooting suppressed but in matches where you need to see your impacts and or misses, the Ultradyne works way better than a suppressor! I also don't like testing on a swing, because when you have vents pointing up, that downward force will cause your rifle to swing back. But on a sled which to me and I am not nearly as smart as this guy, but to me it mimics real life shooting more. When you shoot and the blast goes up, it is not pushing the rifle backwards it is pushing the front down. So swings are deceiving when it comes to devices that have upward facing vents. Also the longer the barrel the more affect the upward vents will have...at least that make sense to me! Now the dimples are for extra down force. If you need more rise control, drill a few of them out. But great video, I love your stuff!! Also your hydraulic trigger....fricking genius!!!
Compensators are supposed to compensate for muzzle rise, not necessarily recoil. I'm not sure why you would think otherwise. It should surprise nobody that there may still be considerable recoil on a solely compensated firearm.
Muzzle brakes are intended to reduce felt recoil.
These two concepts are not the same thing. Many people confuse what these devices are intended to do. That does not mean compensators don't compensate, or that muzzle brakes don't muzzle brake. It may mean that compensators don't necessarily muzzle brake, and muzzle brakes don't necessarily compensate. People being dumb doesn't mean the devices don't actually do what they're intended to do.
Some compensators compensate for rise and additionally have the features of a muzzle brake incorporated to reduce felt recoil. What you hold in your hand is a compensator with the features of a muzzle brake - one might get away with calling it a compensated muzzle brake.
Well he also thinks people buy suppressors to reduce recoil so obviously there isnt much thinking going on
@@totenfurwotan4478 Yeah, I agree with this. I'm not sure how some of these people get the following they do. Maybe they look the part or something but this guy has all sorts of stuff confused yet still has a following that will watch his videos.
@@mrpink3338 modern day spreading of fudd lore
Competitive shooters understand what comps are for...making the gun shoot flat with no rise or fall during rapid fire. This guy appears confused. If you want less recoil, change the springs or weights in the buffer tube to match your loads. You hit the nail on its head.
@@totenfurwotan4478 Yep here ya go ua-cam.com/video/9CXc4Dxok4c/v-deo.html
Props for building a test rig. I haven't seen anyone do a test like this. You could do a whole series like this
One thing about gun video channels I love. Is when they admit it's not scientific , but look at this! I made a thing! It kinda works. I saw my failure, and tried to fix it!
Really informative content. I still prefer suppressors over compensators…. Actually, I hate compensators…. Much rather go with a flash hider, or better yet: a suppressor.
Everyone have a great day!
In order to accurately compare the force equations you need to use the total weight with each muzzle device, not just the weight of the device. In addition where the weight is added matters. Add ten pounds at the bottom of the grip and you will see quite a change.
I have one of these, originally mounted it on a CZ-572 (7.62x39). It kicks somewhere between a bolt action 22 and an A2 pattern AR-15. It's completely comical. The muzzle blast is equally silly. The first time I fired it, it cleared all my targets off the bench and ripped a few of them. The muzzle was several feet above the bench. I've removed it and it's sitting on my desk now. Recoil reduction is incredible, but it is simply too obnoxious.
That thing is ridiculous! Installed it on an R700 in .308 and it seriously turned it into a .223 in terms of recoil and muzzle rise. I easily put 50 rounds down range with 0 soreness. I didn't want to stop shooting it. Out of a 20 inch barrel you are going to get blast anyway so might as well use it to your advantage. Highly recommend if you want fast follow up shots.
💥🔫The title of the vid is misleading. It says "Muzzle Brake" but u keep describing a "Compensator"...there is a difference. Muzzle brakes mostly reduce recoil, while Compensators mostly reduce muzzle movement. I still gave u a thumbs up 4 Support👍🇺🇸
I put a comp on my 5.56ar and it was awesome. There was hardly any recoil. Granted I had an older model ar and it was heavy so I'm sure that helped as well. But you have to use ear protection when shooting it if not, the sound coming from the side ports will blow your ear drums.
No criticism or suggestions to offer…just awesome job man. I want a reason to like ultradyne and separate myself from $400 for their sight/comp combo and you and Christian Grest are really helping my confirmation bias
@@toytowninc680 ultradyne makes great stuff. I have their c4 sights and I love them. Didn't go for the comp mounted sight cause I like it better on my rail, even though I understand the accuracy benefits, but still, it's a great setup and I imagine their comps work well.
I've never noticed a can lessening recoil. The sheer mass of a suppressor will reduce muzzle rise and felt recoil because they usually add around 1lb of weight to the firearm. For me I usually see a bump in recoil from the use of a can as the additional backpressure equates to cyclic rate speed increases in most firearms. Just what I've noticed.
For AKs and Galils you can buy an adjustable gas piston from KNS Precision. About $150.00. It reduces recoil and makes the brass easier to find. I have one and it works.
@@johnjohnston6066 you can also buy adams arms piston kits for ar15s but not for ar10 style fat barrels
I have an Apollo Max on my AR10. Its pretty fantastic. Recoil is minimal, blast to others is oppressive. 😁
I was about to ask if it was crazy loud, I guess it is..... lol
@@jacobwhittaker6241 Its less so for the shooter. Id advise against shooting next to someone that has one, at least with a 308
@@jacobwhittaker6241 it is absolutely unbearable if you are next to one if it is on an SBR or 16" 308. For the shooter it isnt as bad. But if you want a gamer gun it is a go to!!! I shoot a 12.5 mid with a Lmos and this comp and it is possible to double tap silhouettes at 100yrds.
@@h3brew my 50bmg with a muzzle brake would blow the carpet off the next shooting bench
My 8 year old shoots my 308 comfortably with the Apollo max it is amazing just don’t forget the ears.
There are four muzzle devices/functions, compensator, suppressor, muzzle brake and flash hider. Some of these functions can be combined into one mechanical device but some perform opposite functions.
A pure flash hider resembles a muzzle brake but the vents are usually aimed at 90degrees laterally from the barrel. A flash hider might reduce the felt recoil by a slight amount. Think Patton tank.
A pure compensator is more often seen on pistols. It can be a short barrel extension, sometimes weighted, with slots (Cutts comp) or holes at or near the top or holes milled into the top of the barrel. Its sole purpose is to mitigate barrel flip when firing. It can be made to lower tolerances than suppressors. This device function in the exact opposite way of a flash hider.
A pure muzzle brake has vents which are aimed laterally and back. It can also be made to lower tolerances. Look at a Barrett 82A1 for the ultimate design. A friend fired an 82A1 and he said the jet exhaust pulled the gun away from his shoulder.
The Energetic Vox tested was a pure suppressor. It is called a "can" because like a can it does not have holes in the sides. All gasses escape out the front of the "can". For a "can" to function properly and last for a while, it must be made and mounted precisely.
The Apollo Max is a combination of a muzzle brake and a compensator and a bit of a flash hider. You can see the lateral vents angled back and the two holes at the end angled up. For a combination device like this there is a limited amount of gas jet. The designer would have to decide how much braking thrust and how much compensator thrust to allow. If it didn't have the compensator holes at the muzzle, the braking effect would be greater.
Perhaps a suppressor could be designed that was quiet and had a bit of a compensator effect.
P.S. You don't want to stand next to someone with a large muzzle brake on their gun of you will be eating a lot of burned gunpowder.
Had a leather jacket that was left too close to a .50 when it fired, the force and powder tore holes in it. Sadly, my poor choice of placement of said coat, cost me the coat. It was unsalvageable.
And man I was glad i wasn’t wearing it and standing there.
Mass has a significant effect on the weapon movement. You should be putting an impact measuring device (with a small amount of pre-load) at the rear of the gun to hold the weapon steady. That should mitigate the mass (inertia) of the different devices.
Or you can account for the mass change in the calculation...
@@VSO_Gun_Channel why do you want to account for the mass change? If I have a 50kg block that attaches to the trigger guard, and I say it is a recoil reducer, you simply test to see if it reduces recoil.........if I claim a device A reduces recoil more than device B then you simply test the recoil of the 2 devices........now if you want claim the winner is the winner because it has 10g more, then you test that as another test
@@rugershooter5268 Because you can accomplish the same thing with math using a lot less time and energy. If you just want to argue it would be a good video, you are likely right... but not if you are arguing that it is something that needs to be tested.
@@cplusmcretired I don't believe you read the words that I wrote
I got real shoulder bruiser. .50 cal black powder, 7.5 lb stainless with a 4 x12 scope. I am about as fond of it with full 150 grain and 30 caliber sabot charge as a having gout attack.
Looks great hanging on the wall.
Brakes tend to have about double the performance for recoil compared to cans. (though brands vary a lot)
Oft overlooked is flash suppression. Which is great on a can after shot 1 (uses up the O2 inside the can), but pretty noticeable on shot 1 (usually).
So really there's 3 different things you can do at the muzzle. And there's significant compromises if you try to do more than one of those things.
Personally I think cans & flash sups are the more valuable options in practice. Cans are probably the best overall, but at night, a near 100% flash sup is pretty amazing.
I had a bolt action BSA .458 Win mag that weighed 7.5 pounds with an amazing muzzle brake that reduced recoil substantially. It made me an advocate of not only muzzle brakes but also double hearing protection. It wasn't the BANG, it was the SCREECH when shooting the 458 that popped your ears. It was also quite unpleasant for anyone standing to the side. Awesome gun! Jess
who wants to carry hearing protection when hunting? maybe in a shooting house. I could maybe see using a compensator at the bench by yourself but only then. all it takes is one time to forget the protection and you will have hearing damage if you are a older shooter.
@@charleswittmer Who wants to be able to hear with reasonable clarity?
I have been using ear-pro forever and at nearly seventy years of age, I can still appreciate some of the subtleties of music. There is NATURAL hearing degradation and there is that cause by excessive exposure to modern, electro-mechanical life;
Hearing degradation from your own muzzle blast exposure is akin to a self-inflicted wound. How many combat troops are "failed on teh hearing tests on "medical boards. It happens a LOT. Modern, ACTIVE ear-muffs are a wonderful thing, as long as you can keep the batteries replaced / recharged
20+ years ago we talked a gun hating high school English teacher into going to a ranch in the NorCal mountains to try various rifles. One guy brought a 44 pound 50BMG target rifle with a muzzle brake the size of a Coke can. She loved that 50 cal so much that she must have burned up 25 rounds. The muzzle brake really tamed the recoil...but the noise was awful. That's a rifle you don't shoot when hung over. The big laugh was that she later shot an old WWII Russian Mosin Nagant and quit after firing 2 rounds because the recoil was so savage. That was a very memorable day and she came away with a whole new attitude about firearms.
thats why there is also electronic ear pro. you get both benefits of hearing protection and being able to hear others even on hunts. @@charleswittmer
I gathered a lot from this video.
You are a lot like me. My mom says the first word out of my mouth was "why"?
Most video I watch are produced by folks who like to hear themselves talk.
Your delivery was excellent. Short straight and to the point.
Loved the creativity in design and build of your testing device.
I'd like to see a test for pure linear energy and barrel rise. Would be a more accurate test for what one sees and feels when shooting. If anybody can do it, I'd say you're the man.
Just a note,it looks like your trigger actuator is actually "pneumatic".
I couldn't tell if there was fluid in the system or just air but judging from the action/reaction times I am guessing air.
Yeah I am nit picky but that's part of the reason I so enjoyed the video.
I subscribed to your channel and look forward to viewing some of your videos.
Full mag, 1/2 mag, 1round mag. Use a force scale on your swing pendulum and don't let the firearm swing.
I have to say this is definitely one of the best if not the best brakes on the market. I have one on the end of a 7mm rem mag and due to whatever kind of sorcery they used it has a lighter recoil implulse than a 6.5 creedmoor. The down side of course is that nobody wants to go shooting with you since they go deaf anywhere except directly behind the gun.
I used to have this on my M1A(.308) and I loved the shooting experience but good god it was heavy and long with the adaptor compared to my Percision Armament EFAB. The weight with the adaptor was so profound that I notice a drastic different in the timing and control going from low ready to fire.
I have this comp on my LR.308 and IT WORKS. All the reviews stated that it’s too much. I disagree. It is freaking loud. I will definitely pay attention to what’s left of the recoil and possibly start drilling dimples to suit if needed. Appreciate the knowledge from the fellas that know WAY more than me. First long range rifle, first scope, first bipod …. Second drop in trigger. This shits getting in my blood…. Bout to spend some real money …
I hate being beside someone shooting a comp, I've been known to go sit in the truck until they finish their assault on the ears of everyone else on the range.
Linear comps are not compensators at all, in my opinion. To me they are just blast cans with better flash suppression. I have blast cans on an AR pistol (Huge fireball) and a 7.62x39 AR, but all they are about is putting the sound downrange. I wouldn't mind having one on my primary, but the A2 flash suppressor works well enough.
I absolutely can not wait to see how you built the testing device! Looks like a cool idea!
I should have the video put by next week. I think it has a lot to talk about.
It's a ballistic pendulum, they have a long and rich history.
I have the Ultradyne Apollo Max which I installed on my AR (S&W MP15). Recoil reduction was amazing. Gas blow back was blinding and suffocating. Had to clean my LPVO about every 10 rounds. Took it off and replace with Lantac Dragon which does not reduce recoil as much as the Ultradyne but has no blowback.
Dimples are to be drilled out by the end user to fine tune the horizontal compensation and if you need any shift left/right for which hand you shoot from... if that makes sense.
I understand ya. Basically fine tuning for the end user, dimples to make it easy and impossible to mess up.
Sounds mall ninja AF
@@JG54206 being an NCO in the army taught me that NOTHING is idiot proof.
@@BuckFoeJiden Also yes.
I just rewatched this video. U do an amazing job on letting science do the review. Also good job on the "pneumatic trigger puller". That's some ingenuity at its best.
What is the change in sound level (DB) at the shooter's ear by adding this device? Would you measure this for us? I would guess it actually makes the shot louder to the shooter, because it vents the gasses backwards towards the shooter.
I'd love to see this as well. I'm surprised he didn't bring that up since he talked about not likeing comps because the good ones tend to be LOUD.
Haven’t even finished the video, but felt heavily compelled to commend you on your ingenuity. Hats off, sir, with that recoil apparatus.
Hydrologic trigger was brilliant. I would consider this comp if it had a real obvious ability to hide muzzle flash. I kinda stick with what's proven. A2 birdcage slightly mitigates recoil and significantly reduces muzzle flash.
but how important is it to actually reduce muzzle flash? are you running suppressed? at night? ans where are tou most likely to be shooting and at what?
of night vision isn't a part of the scenario. personally I think the a2 gets more credit than deserved.
hm defense (a severely underrated company) has a great muzzle device. especially when flash motivation is a nessesity
@@FreedomInc no suppressor available because of location. Secondly, several of the scenarios that would involve the rifles I would attach this to would be used more often at night when movement is most concealed. Don't get me wrong A2 isn't perfect. In comparison to other videos where brakes and comps are compared at muzzle flash reduction. A2 is usually up there with the best of both worlds. Not saying it is the best, but it works for my needs.
@@tkoz7856 Look into the precision armament EFAB or AFAB. I run the efab and it's the only hybrid device that actually does everything.
It's primary function is flash mitigation. It does as well as an A2 could without being an A2 - literally 99% of an A2 but with a bit of a brake built in. TTAG did a test on flash hiders and muzzle brakes and it was in both for raw # data.
i have one of these and absolutely love it. One thing I will say though is anyone standing to your left or right behind you will get blasted with gas. I let my buddy fire off a mag and i was a couple feet behind him to the side and it was noticeable. Sadly suppressors are not legal where live. This product is great though and I would highly recommend
Interesting. I went through several compensators in my quest for the perfect setup. Most of the time, they just made my rifles uncomfortably loud for the shooter and unbearable for spectators. I finally got old and could afford to start suppressing things. Turns out that my favorite rifle isn't even a rifle. CMMG Banshee MK10, 8in. barrel with a Banish 45 can. About th most fun you can have with your clothes on.
In reading through the comments, I think there may be some confusion among viewers regarding word “suppressor”. Some think it is referencing flash “suppressor” while others believe it is sound “suppressor” aka “silencer”.
I have a vg6 gamma on one of my rifles (pretty similar to the design of this one) and it works very nicely. I wouldn't turn my nose up at ultradyne at all...just haven't had the chance to buy one yet.
Don't have anymore guns that are threaded so...oh darn..guess I'll just have to go buy me another gun. Isn't life just a bummer sometimes?
You GO with your Quantitative study. Yay, Science !! Data analyst here.
Dude, this is why I love your channel! That hydraulic trigger test mechanism…yes! I wanna see more comp videos with that!!
I got this on mine and it does make it louder and anyone back to the side gets slammed. But it does make the recoil virtually not there. If you aren’t running a suppressor this thing kills and makes you deadly accurate shooting fast.
Muzzle brake reduces recoil more than suppressor, quick guys, act surprised!
100 points awarded for the use of cattywampus!
Such a good word.
A suppressor isn't designed to reduce recoil. It just happens sometimes. But a compensator is made to reduce recoil, and muzzle rise. But is loud as the gun ever was!
Yep a 8" does have a bit of back blast.about 25 yards. But I guess those are called muzzle brakes.
It doesn’t happen sometimes, it happens all the time.
I got a fake suppressor on my 300 blackout, it does help when shooting, but what I like the most, it helps reflect most of the noise forward and not backwards as bad. I've enjoyed it enough I got one for my 5.56 Nato, and 468 uppers. Can't find a good one for the 6.5 Creedmoor yet, got a company trying to make one now that works
I would imagine that really any aggressive muzzle brake that has rear facing baffles will outperform a suppressor simply because the gas is being redirected rather than captured.
Yes. The blast is felt by .5 by the shooter and about 4x by anyone directly to the sides. It’s jun to watch peoples gear leave the bench.
I have been watching for one of these for a few years now! At last I see one!
You should definitely give the M4-72 severe duty comp from precision atmament a try.
Slightly larger than an A2 bird cage and also one of the better performing comp's I've tried.
Downsides are that it is a bit on the expensive side and that it is loud, especially to the people arround you.
Yep. Almost nothing beats the m4 72 with recoil reduction. Pisses everyone off around you. Love shooting with it on though
That’s what I use; man they are loud and the flames 🤪
Definitely not friendly to be near when new shooters fail to properly use their ear pro. Even in a .223, all that gas/concussion is pretty noticeable if you're anywhere besides directly behind the rifle.
Love this comp on my ar10. Fixed stock, 20 inch heavy barrel and the recoil is not harsh at all. Now the muzzle blast is horrendous on the range I have access to because of the dang front baffle, double up on the hearing protection or you will hear the ringing.
expensive? it was like 70 bucks, this thing is 120-130
So glad this guy finally figured out what a COMPENSATOR is designed for. Almost like he isn’t being sponsored by Apollo for this video
Seriously?? Youre going to claim with a straight face that one of the primary roles of a Suppressor is Reduce Recoil....we all know its sound supression, which helps protect the shooter/team mates, and along with the flash supression helps disguise where the shot is coming from...or if were talking subsonic .22lr and some other subs will make it is not even distinguishable as a gunshot.... Recoil reduction is just an added benefit. Nobody pays $200 tax plus $500-$1500 for recoil reduction.
That's exactly what I said.
As an engineer, I am highly impressed with your test methods and even more impressed with your math.
Interesting test-setup...would've been interesting to see with other comps (and suppressors, like e.g. the flow through from OSS or others)
I've used the SJC Titan previously, works very well...could've been interesting to see it against the Ultradyne as the SJC is a bit older...
Match up has been done on both and Apollo did considerably better,just like comparing the titan vs. Lesser competitors on the market.....if you want the best ultradyne is it hands down
Agree, except in some very specific circumstances, the Brake is better than a Suppressor. The instances I count are eliminating sentries or guard dogs and in very limited circumstances security lights and sensors.
Let's see any politician work a AR. Let's see a politician actually say what AR is? And why is it a politician has a legal right to carry into the capital and yet to remove the right of the citizen of owning your gun. And yet these politicians have armed establishment?
I have an Ultradyne Apollo Max on my .270 and an Ultradyne LR on my 7mm Rem Mag. LOVE THEM!!!
Are they quieter than most brakes?
Pretty much any well-designed brake or compensator is going to outperform most suppresors as far as recoil reduction. By a lot.
I added an Apollo to my Ruger American in 6.5CM. I believe it is a 5 fin.
While I made the report much louder it dropped the recoil to that of less than a 223.
Many people asked me why I did this. Answer is I wanted to be able to spot my own bullet strikes out past 300 and into 700 yards.
It works great and has greatly increased my confidence in an already great rifle.
If you have been shooting for even a little while you will know that the worst problem you can have with a rifle is your confidence in it. Limited confidence will make you second guess everything.
how about that 200 dollar unconstitutional stamp can kiss my ass. best excuse ive got.
I’ll pick up a suppressor when the NFA gets repealed. Until then, my cheap linear comp will have to do as a flash hider on my pistol build. I have no desire to play “mother may I” with the ATF beyond the 4473.
Most likely click bait, and if thats the case i will unsubscribe
Amen
I have several of these, they definitely eliminate muzzle rise, but boy are they LOUD when standing next to them...
That’s not a compensator. It’s a break. And no, it’s not more effective at sound reduction than a suppressor. And the primary purpose of a suppressor is most certainly not recoil reduction. Fail bigly in the 1st minute.
You failed bigly at listening comprehension.
The company who makes it calls it a compensator. So what are you even talking about 😆😆😆
@@YouBoyJpres, they can call it whatever they want. That doesn’t change what it actually is.
Just hurry up...
I have Apollo Max on all my 556 and 762 rifles. For 45-70 I went to Grizzly, as they would make me the bore and thread combo I needed. Similar and also impressive.
Loved the video, test rig was genius in application and I appreciate the work performed to calculate the percentage of reduction in recoil. The only thing missing was what increase in sound did the shooter receive by using a muzzle break.
which I thought was the whole point of the Video (based on the description)
I'll have to try that one. I have a JP Eliminator in .223 Wylde and an Area 419 Match for my 6mm ARC which both work amazingly. Thanks for giving me a third option to try.
I don't understand a thing you are saying ... but you said it well! Thanks!
The dimples in the top and bottom are pilot holes for drilling through the brake. The hyper tap has those as well. Whichever side is top up can have the holes drilled through and have additional venting to prevent muzzle climb.The hyper tap has 75% reduced felt recoil according to its producer. My experience is that statement is true.
I have that on my AR and i can say after installing it shoots more flat than any other muzzle device that i ever use!
This video is performing really well, hell yeah
Excellent ! Scientific analysis not just subjective assessment. I love it ! Thanks for doing this
We’ve been buying these inexpensive Chinese rear angled Barrett style compensators for years. $15 can get you one. Greatly reduces recoil and the sharpness of the report.
Love all of my Ultradyne Comps. Have the 6.5 Apollo Max on my 6.5 Grendel AR-15 and barely feel anything. Also have one on my 7mm-08 AR-10, 300 win mag and 28 Nosler bolt guns.
I use a Hyscore shooting rest ( Gas Dampened) comes with a hydraulic trigger pull. Anyway. I got it for around $150.00 including shipping from Midway USA. I use it for load development, setting optics, and testing long guns, shot guns and carbines after rebuilds. It’s a very good tool for all kinds of research and development on firearms. I never liked lead sleds. Before I got the Hyscore shooting rest. I just used bi pods and stock elevating rest. Get the Hyscore shooting rest. It is an economical affordable shooting rest that takes you to a more professional level.
I put a linear compensator and a muzzle brake on my AR 15. The muzzle brake gave me much better results. I keyholed more shots consistently and the muzzle rise was practically nonexistent. The compensator did not come close to what the brake provided.
I own a Remington stainless synthetic in 300 RUM , I've been shooting over 40 years , my first shot got 5 stitches in my eyebrow , got a muzzle break from a machine shop that attaches with Allen screws now its requoil is that of a 243
Used one of those syringes for a trigger puller about 35 years ago on a homemade devise for zeroing scopes.
suppressors increase pressure causing more recoil and over gassing, but they eliminate flash and dramatically reduce muzzle signature
Bro... meticulously done. Absolutely beautiful. Bravo
I have it. It works well but blows gas back toward your face. I actually accidentally lit my sighting bag on fire with just a couple shots. After a few rounds, you forget about the gas blowback. Its a good product. Just be aware so you are not shocked when you get it.
Try the OIP from Battlearms-- almost zero recoil-softest shooting 556 in the USA , but LOUD-double up ear protection-great vid
Would this work well on a HK-91? Also, how does it work, exactly? Does it allow escaping gas to change direction from forward to backward? I’ve never heard of it before.
You are very clear with your words. You speak well.
Thanks,
Paul
Data analytics prof here. Normalizing the data earned you a sub, my friend.
Great vid.
Congratulations on your set up that you designed.
I have see somthing similar on a sled like apparutus.
I think originally they were designed to hide muzzle flash and dust throw up.
On a 45-70 there is definitely a reduction in kickback
I like the rig you built with hydraulic trigger, very intelligent in my opinion.
Linear compensators work great to redirect the blast wave away from people on a firing line or at an indoor range.
I have that same comp on my Remington 700 6.5. I absolutely love it 💯🇺🇸👍
the dimples are for a little wrench that looks like a scythe and doesn't scar up your break when you loosen or tighten.
I'm alsmost more impressed with the hydraulic trigger actuator than I am the compensator...with that said, I think I need a few of those.
Great video only 6 minutes and 28 seconds to get to the point. Well done
I was concerned about the inertia regarding the heavier can... Until you accounted to that. Now this is my type of content!!
How is the accuracy change we know most suppressor's makes grouping smaller so does this muzzle brake as well?
Whoa, that muzzle brake sounds crazy in slow motion. You can hear the rhythm of the expansion chamber