GEOSynths - Synth Show Reviews - Sequential Prophet REV 2
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- Опубліковано 21 бер 2019
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The REV 2 is a great Synthesizer, which has everything you need to experiment in making Sound and for Music Creation.
So, I get asked the same sort of question over and over, which is "This Synth vs That Synth vs That one". Now I decided to a Sound designers Review of 10 Synths that I have made Banks of Patches for and come up with 5 areas to go over and to to give them a score out of 20, for a final total.
These are:
Features - 17
Workflow - 16
Sound Design - 16
Versatility - 16
Value For money - 15
Sequential Prophet REV 2 gets - 80/100
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I really like these reviews. Keep it up!
Love your reviews Jamie. Been waiting for this one.
Cheers, I had to cut a fair bit as it's very deep, but covered most of it.
Wonderful content. Just purchased a rev 2 as my first hardware synth and your videos are holding my over till it gets here
Thanks for doing these vids!
Thank you for the review, just ordered one!
Good choice, it's a deep Synth, but lots of fun exploring. :)
Very nice review well done !
Great stuff! It seems to have a few more dedicated knobs than my Virus. I like the tricks you showed for "visualizing" it. Will use that.
Wonderful video! Also, I must add that because there are 4 x 16 different LFO's contained in the architecture of the synth, you can modulate the LFO rate based on what key you are hitting. This is hugely powerful for sound design, often emulating the cross mod ability of the OB-6 and Prophet-6.
Great synth and great presets available from Geo Synths!
Fortunately the wood cheeks stopped stinking up my place after about a week :)
I've had this since it hit the market, but still enjoy watching this kinda thing when the person knows what they're on about, and play some nice patches along the way.
Good review.
Haha...Yeah, it does smell for a bit, though like yours, it doesn't now. Thanks for watching :)
The REV2 is one of my favorite synths from a sound design aspect. Wrangling in the filter is part of the fun but I can definitely see how this will put people off.
I just picked one up and I’m having a hard time wrangling the filter haha
@@mastermachetier5594same here but then I get the sweet spot and it is gorgeous.
Great review as usual mate. I think the Rev2 would be the last synth I'd sell if I had to sell any of them :-) Agree about the screen, I'm 57 so require reading glasses to view the screen for any length of time. It's not easy or comfortable when you've got headphones on as well. I tend to buy the cheap ready readers from either Tesco or Home Bargains because they can break due to the headphones pressing against them!
Brilliant! A tutorial on sound design while showcasing the Rev 2. Loved it. And the way to create motion and movement. Nice. Still legit synth here in 2021?
You say you don't like sequencer and prefer to just record and play. Fair enough, but perhaps you should reconsider about the gated sequencer which is not really about playing back pre-configured notes but about automating pretty much any parameter on the synth over time (either autonomously, or advancing a step per key press). It's an entire toolbox of its own when it comes to sound design, providing the option to create weird shapes the envelopes can't provide you with.
Thanks, I did actually go into that, but the video was already 30 minutes long, so I cut it. I have used the Sequencer for Modulation in my Patches.
Great work.... cant wait for the Prophet12 Review
Awesome synth for this price, if you like the DSI crisp sound
urr...gated seq is there for modulation, not for creating messy patterns:) and its great for rhytmic effects (for instance, assign a different value to one tracks per step and assign it to noise.
Thank you for the review Jamie! Looking forward to 31th of March.
31st of March?
@@GEOSynths synth show? 😉
Oh, the Live Stream, it's every Sunday at 6pm UK :)
@@spacebrain1971
Sorry, my fault, I put the wrong date in...It's this Sunday 24th...Doh!
@@GEOSynths don't worry. Thank you!
Great review very informative thank you ..can't decide between this and the Korg prolouge 16 . It will be my 1st synth, and this looks slightly more complicated than the Korg ...sounds great though !
The Prologue is the next one on my list to Review, so probably be late next week. They do sound very different from each other and very different in terms of features, but are both very good Synths...If you go to my Website or look on my Channel, there's plenty of just Patch Videos I've made, so you can listen to both of them, while doing something else, have them on in the background and see which grabs your Ear...Choose based on how you like the Sound, not the Spec Sheet.
@@GEOSynths Good advice ..and many thanks for your reply I am about 2weeks away from my purchase (decisions decisions ) lol
Yes - very good advice!! Sound/tone is king - and beauty is in the ears of the beholder …
Did you end up going for the Rev2 or the Prologue … and what do you have now?
You can start of with the 8 voice and then you can buy the extra 8 voice module at a later date and it’s easy to install.
Cost £470
I have to say this is a spot on, eloquently worded and very tact assessment...
..."Chip Fart" is the perfect way to describe the wood smell. :D
Heh for real though, awesome stuff as always.
I thought it sounded like "chip fart", but I wasn't sure I heard correctly.
Chip fat I think. The fat that fish and chips are fried in.
When you only dine at fish’n’chip shops, everything looks like a chip buttie … ☺️
I'm surprised by the fact that you rate this much higher than the Prophet 12. I had the REV2 (desktop 8 voice) for a while, and I think it sounded very good, it seems like it's not quite as interesting as the Prophet 12 (as a huge modulating monster with FM synthesis etc).
I own the Prophet 10 REV4 (as I think you do too, correct?) and have really been gassing for a Prophet 12, but I'm curious about your thoughts on the 3 of them - more specifically, how the REV2 seems to be the better synth. The numbers say a little bit in your spreadsheet... but I remember thinking the filters on the REV2 (which are the same on the P12) were just not quite as interesting as on my Matrix 1000 (which is similar, but older).
Where does the REV2 best the P12, and do you feel either have a place next to the REV4?
Thanks!
Here’s how the Rev2 best the P12 for analog sounds, at least - and how it belongs alongside not just the P10, but the OB-X8 also …
Listen to the comparisons and check out the comments … ! … ua-cam.com/video/sh1KWfy09G8/v-deo.htmlsi=i_GjBUUd9L9Oo_au
Now I can't wait for your Prophet 12 Video
Bought the Rev2 and found it difficult to work with at first, I wasn’t bowled over. 8 months later it’s one of my main boards. I then decided to buy a peak, which sound wise I prefer. I’ve also recently acquired my final dream synth, an OB6. Strangely, owning the peak and OB6 has made me appreciate the Rev2 more. It’s quite something. And the key bed is excellent. Agree with all of what you have said in all of the videos. They are all special on their own way.
You've got some great Synths there and my favourite Synth is the OB6, so we must have similar taste in Synths! Thanks for watching.
GEOSynths the OB6 is nothing short of stunning based on my limited time with it. It’s skint me but I’ll buy the patches from you when I get paid!
@@lawrencevaughan5373 Yeah, it's a hefty price but worth it, I'll have mine for years and years, so that's more valuable to me. Be great if you could support me with getting the Patches and thanks for watching/commenting.
I would have liked to hear you talk about the sequencer (Gate and Poly) to get your point of view. :)
Great review!
How limiting would you rate the fact that the LFOs are per voice and cannot be set to work globally (cf. "common" setting on Peak)?
Is there a workaround for his limitation (which can be saved with a patch)?
Thanks!
It’s annoying, You have key sync but it’s not the same, still I love my rev2
Hi! What's your take on filter bleeding with the filter closed?
The oscillator waveforms sound way way better than I remember on the 08. A lack of live panel mode really bugs me. How do you get around that when wanting to start from scratch? I'm more used to synths without presets and love to see my pots reflecting the sound so it doesn't feel like i'm tweaking presets in the dark. Does the filter still step? Do you think the Prophet 6 sounds much different / better?
Great reviews. Do you find the prophet x synth section and rev 2 similar? Looking to pair down because of space limitations. Like you I have a mopho 4 and a Nord for pianos. The prophet x piano is gorgeous and might give me most I need from the synth section...I'm with you about the eyes too...haha.
17:10 I've got a Prophet '08, and I've found that in the mod matrix I can set the source to keyboard, the destination to OSC1 frequency, the amount to 1 I can then fine detune OSC1 to -30 I get that sweeping sound that sort of emulates the function of the older synthesizers that have variation in the oscillator tuning with respect to the keyboard. I'm certain that the updated slop parameter can give the same thing on the REV2, but it is interesting to play around with the harmonics creating that sweeping sound in a random way! The horn sound I used in my track "Wasteland" is a good indication: ua-cam.com/video/JUI3KhZw87A/v-deo.html
goddamn, your videos font make it easier to make a decision what to get. im doin synthwave and drum and bass often with 80s vibe. would you recommend the ob6 over the rev2 if i got the deepmind? for bass i use a minibrute 2
The Rev2 scored higher than the Peak? Interesting.
im finding it hard to make a brass ensemble sound,can anyone help?
Question for you - I know its all personal. ive found space for another "shelf" - and Im going to add a Roland TR8s as I dont have any rhythm stuff - but I have space next to it for a synth module. I dont have any fully analogue synths (Peak being the closest) an Im really struggling with which way to go. Deep Mind 12, Rev 2 - both DCO, or OB6/P6 (probably OB) for VCO but more limiting elsewhere..... Any thoughts here would be greatly appreciated.
The OB6 is a brilliant Synth, but not the cheapest, I would say though that everyone into Synths should get a Deepmind...great value.
@@GEOSynths yeh - I think thats first up. I have 120cm of shelf space available for new stuff. The DM12 and OB6 will both fit -= along with a Digitakt. Need some neat Midi switching to do all that - but the Motu Midi Express XT looks perfect. Again not cheap - nearly as much as the DM lol - but it will do the job very nicely. Can then sequence all 4 synth modules plus both keyboards if i wish - and the Digitakt has some synth capabilities itself. The only things putting me of the DM are the limited Oscilator section (though there seems to be more there than you think) and the fact its DCO not VCO. For some reason that wont shift out of my brain. Ultimately if I get both.... Ill have a VCO in the OB6, a DCO in the DM, a hybrid in Peak, and a VA in the Virus (iridium eventually). Add the Fantom as a controller with its own VS synth stuff - its a nice "complete" setup (if anything else is complete lol). The control Sequencer in the DM is a big pull......
Would you recommend the Prophet Rev2 or the Novation Peak? I love sounds like Stranger Things, Blade Runner (original and 2049), as well as The Weeknd After Hours. Thanks for any tips you can provide. Love your videos!
I ended up going with software BUT picked up a few more of the SoundForce controllers to map to my softsynths@@kierenmoore3236
I really want to buy this synth, only thing that's stopping me is that i'm not sure what really is the difference in sound between the 8 voices and the 16 voices. I really like the crisp sound it makes, especially for pads etc. does it really make a difference to have the 16 voices? i'm afraid that the 16 voices could be even too much, and i read a comment about how it is so much sound it is difficult to make it sit in a mix (i would use it mainly with a band). if in order to mix it properly i should cut half of its frequencies off, is it really worth it to buy the 16 voices instead of the 8? given the fact that if I save some money on that i can spend it on another synth that maybe is complementary to the prophet. (and i know that i could buy the 8 voices and then upgrade it if i feel the necessity, but i don't like this option because it would cost it more and i would never make up my mind whether i should upgrade or not). sorry for the long-winded question, i really want this but i want to ponder on it before making a mistake
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3 year old comment … How did you go, ol’ mate?! What did you decide … ? 😊
Are 8 voices too limiting? I’m more toward studio production than performance. Also I’m debating between Rev2 or Peak? Or maybe new Hydrasynth. Any advise? Thanks
Which did you go for in the end?!
I'm not sure whether you are totally free to give your opinion, but let's see if you can help me...
I've got the yamaha AN1x and nord lead a1
I was thiking about another great synth, and I have to decide among the rev 2 16 and the prologue 16. The deepmind I imagine is not as good for everything.
I would like to have a synth with which things are quite immediate through knobs and not menus and with which one's creativity gets boosted. Of course I need some voices, so matrixbrute is out.
If you had to buy one and keep it for a ling time, which one would yoy get?
Ferran Gonzalez yes, I’m not tied to any manufacturer, so can be honest. I think everyone who is into Synths should have a DeepMind 12, it’s such a great synth, I bought it when it first came out so cost me just over £1,000 but I still think that was worth it. The REV 2 is very powerful, especially with layering and has more options in the oscillator sections and 2 sequencers. It would be between those 2.
Many thanks. A shop here in Spain offered me the prologue 16 for my an1x and 900eur...
I think I'll keep the an1x: check this vid ua-cam.com/video/EK1m7UIhZZY/v-deo.html it's not me.
And may be then get the deepmind 12 or rev 2
(if you think i should exchange the an1x and 900 for the prologue tell me too ;-))
But, yeah, dp12 is actually one of the synths I had on mind too ;)
May be I should sell both my A1 and AN1x and get the rev 2 or deepmind and done? Just a bit confused now...
Hi Jamie and thanks for the great review. How much do you miss the Poly Mod that the Prophet 6 and Prophet Five have, or do you find that you can get into similar sonic territory using the LFOs, wave shaping, audio mod etc.?
Hi, thanks for the question, it's a good one. Modulation on the REV 2 is more predicatble and more controllable, the Poly Mod has slightly unpredictable results which is sometimes good, sometimes not. You can't modulare an Oscillator to another on the REV 2, so are limited by the LFO Rates or other Mod Source, but they each have their strengths.
Thanks for these useful comments. I ask as I have a Super Six and OB-6 and with both of them, using oscillators (i.e. key scaled audio rate modulation) to modulate the filter or other oscillators, and dialling in the modulation tuning and amount, is always a surefire way to create harmonically complex and beautiful timbres without a whole lot of extra programming. Am on the fence between a Rev 2 or System 8, or even a Jupiter X as my “final” synth (some hope!) - any advice very welcome.
Where is smellovision when we need it?
I'm a big fan of Dave Smith. I still have my original Prophet 5 Rev 3.2 that I bought brand new in 1981. It still works! I only had it serviced once. I had new KB bushings installed (over the years I wore them out), replaced some front panel switches, and had it calibrated.
I don't care for the Prophet Rev 2. I did play one a friend of min bought. I found it weak and the filter was pretty tame. At $1499 for the 8 voice and $1999 for the 16 voice, its really not a good deal. If I was going to spend $1999 I would buy a Novation Peak. That is a 3 osc per voice synth, 16 voice synth. It has a robust analog filter, excellent FX, and a lot of sound shaping options. 4 LFO's far starters. Yes, it has digital Osc, but they are WAY over Clocked, they sound great. It can be had for $1999 or less, depending on where You buy it. Its a better value for the money.
@chief tp
I paid $3200 plus sales tax, which was a fortune back then. That said, A Novation's Summit at $1999 is a 16 voice synth that is a lot more capable than the Rev 2. The Rev 2 has wimpy Osc's and an unimpressive Filter. I'll pass.
@chief tp
You are correct. Apparently, there was so much demand for pre-orders, the MAP was raised. However, I am sure it can be had for less than $1999. Check Thomann Music. Novation has been making and selling quality equipment. Yes, their gear is made in Asia, so are MOST KB's and other equipment. See for yourself. Players that bought the Novation Peak ALL report the build quality is excellent. Also check the qualify of Behringer equipment. NOT made in the US. Unfortunately, most mfg is not American made.
@chief tp
Normally, I suggest when someone wants to ARGUE, they should get married. It is obvious all you want to do is argue, but you're too big of an ASSHOLE. No one in their right mind would marry an asshole like you. Take a hike.
@chief tp
Spoken like the typical asshole who spent all their time with your nose in books and have no life experience. You always wanted to be on a college debate team. Only one thing got in your way, High School. Asshole.
What synth is better for pads and sound scapes? The deepmind, rev2 or the peak?
They're all good actually. I think the basic sound is better on the PEAK and the DM12 with the PEAK being able to make some really complex Soundscapes. The DM12 is fantastic at Pads and the FX really help with it. The REV 2 can make complex Patches and out of the 3 has the benefit of having 2 Layers, so you can have a Pad with an Arp going over the top. If I had one to choose, it would be the PEAK.
@@GEOSynths Thanks after seeing a bunch of videos over the peak i actual like it best aswell.
Are you going to review the prophet 12? I noticed you also worked with that synth...would be amazing if you could!
Yes...I'm reviewing all 10 PolySynths that I've made patches for and scoring them from a Sound Designers point of view. Here is the score so far. Score Board - bit.ly/2TAxdWN
Seems as though I'm in a similar boat as people in the comment section here: Peak Vs. Rev2
I'd say to my ears, the win goes to Rev2 for analog, Juno-esque sounding character. Specially in the stereo field. The common point I hear for Peak is it's more capable for sound design from a matrix and waveshape perspective. It's not like the Rev2 is handicapped in modulation department but i do see that. If you already have an FM synth or other wavetable based software, you won't really need those wavetables enough to justice my next point here. I would choose a more vintage sound if that is what seems to be missing in your arsenal over a Peak if i'm hard-pressed
Ohhh has a a Prophet X joined your synth den?
Well spotted Andy :)
keep watching your reviews - and its not helping lol. I have space for 2 synth modules in my live setup covering 70s/80s/90s stuff. I have a Peak and a Virus Ti2 - but seriously thinking of moving the peak and adding a Dsi.... But Rev2/P6/OB6........ I cant decide if its a good idea, and if so which suits my needs better lol.
ha...The P6 would be a great module in terms of sound, but as it has no screen, it could cause you to play the wrong patch Live...you don't want to be doing what you think is a searing Saw Lead and get a Bell or something, same with the OB6...though I love these Synths in terms of the sound they make. The REV 2 will be good as you can stack or split or use 2 different sounds over 2 keyboards live, though the sound sometimes divided people. What is wrong with the PEAK, I have one and think it's great?
@@GEOSynths Nothing is wrong with peak - it was the first proper synth I bought (at 50..... when I switched from guitar as my prime instrument). I have one of your packs and use its sounds often as starting points, or learning from. I cant shake 2 things though. Neither Peak or Ti2 have programmable arps or step sequencers. Neither are proper analogue (VCO/DCO Im not too bothered). The Peak does tend to sound a little too "modern" for the 80s/90s thing. Im probably just getting Gas for a Dsi during lockdown.....
@@paulmapp8306 haha...nothing wrong with a bit of GAS...The last Bank I did for the REV 2, I made all the patches using both Layers for either Stacked or Split sounds. It actually has 2 Sequencers on it, the usual Step and then a more simpl Poly Sequencer, soif that's your thing, i'd say the REV 2 would be the right choice.
@@GEOSynths Thanks - your probably right. Once I get a bigger room (Im in about 2 meters by 4m - and have my work PC and my guitar ig in there as well - hence no space bar the top tier of my stand) when I can get rid of the keds..... Ill pick up an OB6 (REALLY want one of those just because) and probably a Moog of some sort just for home use. If I switch to REV 2 from Peak (the 2 were the ones I initially chose between - price swung it as I got Peak for a steal on sale) Ill probably pick another one up at that point as well. Seriously havent touched guitar in about 12 months (and I have a lot tied up in guitar gear). Ill keep tuning into your live streams as well when I can - really enjoy those.
@@paulmapp8306 Cool, sounds like you've got a Plan. Besides the Moogf ONE, the OB6 is my favourite Synth I've had...just oozes great textures. Have fun and thanks for the support.
What does USP stand for?
Unique Selling Point
@@GEOSynths thanks!
Good review. Thanks Jamie. I must say that your REV2 seems more consistent than mine (especially with the waveform shapes between voices). Even after complete calibration, done with a fully warm-up machine, there is considerable variations of the PW between voices on mine in extreme settings (very narrow pulse). Also the 12 db/oct filter mode on the REV2 is rather disappointing, with rather weak resonance. The display is ridiculously small indeed. The effects section is also pretty weak. I'm surprised that it stil is present in my current setup. It'll probably be replaced as soon as the Behringer UB-Xa comes along...
I wouldn't have thought they would be that different, do you have the latest Firmware from them, it's Version 1.1.5.9. Yeah, it's still the same Filter as the 08 pretty much, but the added features of the Oscillator section can help out the tone a bit.
Wait... Are there REV2s that don’t show this behaviour regarding the PW?
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I believe that the Pulse Width adjustment on the DSI120 chip used in the Prophet 08 and Prophet REV2 is analog. Meaning that it is an analog control voltage which sets the PW ratio. Of course, the P08 and REV2 are calculating this voltage digitally before converting it into an analog voltage (via a DAC). So, the internal temperature, and components tolerances will affect the precision of this control. Hence the need to make sure that the synth is warm-up and then fully calibrate it (by accessing the Globals menu and calling the automatic calibration routine). But even then, there might be some very slight residual variations from voice to voice, and from one machine to another. This is the nature of analog control voltage design.
As I stated in my initial comment, the variations that I observed, relative to Jamie's REV2, are very slight and only apparent on very narrow PW. Probably due to manufacturing differences, and electronic components tolerances. In everyday use, you'd be hard pressed to notice them.
@@GEOSynths
It seems that I've had to clear the Calibration Table in order to get uniform performance from all 16 voices. (thanks to Sequential support for pointing that out to me). So now my REV2 is very close to yours.
@@AlainHubert Thank you for your elaborate answer. I've read on forums that a certain number of voices has a certain PW compared to the others, wich makes it quite predictable. But I keep asking myself if you can fix this via OS updates.
Would it be silly and pointless for me to buy this if I already have a Peak?
It's never silly buying a new Synth :) That said, based upon sound alone, the PEAK (to my Ears) is a much more versatile Synth and can do sounds the Rev 2 can't.
The REV 2 is a good Synth though in its own right with lots of Synthesis under the hood, however it is essentially a Prophet 08 with a few new features, but the core sound is still the same.
You could always upgrade to a Summit, that has the added Filtering features, i've actually done 64 Dual Layer Patches for it, Novation haven't released them yet. Did you try my small Bank I did for the PEAK? It's in Components.
@@GEOSynths Yea I originally chose the Peak over the Rev 2 and others. A Rev 2 has popped up for 1k near me so it's very tempting haha. I like the idea of having a standalone synth I can mess with and maybe record to cassette tape outside my studio for some ambient stuff. I haven't checked out your bank, but I will do. I have been enjoying making my own presets on the Peak and using them in my tracks, it's a pleasure to work with.
At 18:17 ...the sound of a dentist, thx dear!
"Smells like chip fart" What?
Chip Fat...Good old British Fish and Chips :)
You know you should do a “Chip Fart” preset for the Rev2, now, right? A Western juxtoposition, to “Eastern Wind” … ?! 💨😊