It’s kinda hilarious that the magic is literally in THE CHORUS. And we all love it. It’s coded into our nostalgia DNA to represent “what a synth sounds like” in so much music haha. And somehow NO ONE has really been able to replicate that chorus, even to this day. It’s so silly but damn near every one of us would still probably buy a good Juno if given the chance, simply because it’s got THAT thing.
The Feedback modules module is an excellent clone. Of course the sound coming out is different because there is another sound source on the input. These “magic” claimed are only made by people that don’t understand the inner workings of vintage instruments.
if u know how sythesis work and what elements give that certain type of character u are looking for u can recreate any synth sound, people just dont know how it works. any analog synth without any effect or filter sounds flat and in a full mix no one can tell if i used an original juno 106 or another synth with that kind of chorus as an external effekt. if your mix/arangement/playing is dogshit doesnt matter what synth u use and the opposite if your mix/arangement/playing is greate doesnt matter what synth u use. sounds like everybody is just sitting infront of a synth pressing one note and thinks uuh sounds boring or call it "ambient" wich is an false used therm for i cant play anything musical but call it ambient anyways
I love my Rev2. But there's a reason why the Juno 106 is legendary. Played it all throughout college and was my first experience with an analog synth. Those Pads and that Glorious Chorus! It can also pull off deep bass as well. And for the record, yes, both of those synths are ANALOG! They produce the same analog waveforms as VCO synths, it's just that the DCO synth oscillators are synced to a digital clock source which is used to produce stable tuning across all notes. The pro is tuning stability, the con is you lose the "character" of the minor tuning discrepancies found on the Voltage Controlled Oscillators of VCO synths. At least that is what I learned in college. And if you Google, "Is a DCO synth Analog?" you'll get your answer there too! 🙂 I had to double-check myself, as I thought maybe I was taught wrong in college... Nope! They're analog!
I dont think that vintage synths have the musical value some people think they do. Not saying they don't have desirable sounds. They do. But those sounds aren't so unique that they can only come from a specific piece of gear like collectors like to think they do. imho the value of vintage synths is just nostalgia working its magic on our brains.
A DCO is an analogue oscillator controlled with a digital clock signal instead of voltage, it is not a digital oscillator by any stretch of the definition.
I was never a Roland guy but a Korg guy. I still have my old Korg Poly6 but sadly it needs a lot of love in a repair shop. On the other hand I have a Korg Kronos which had\s a Poly6 emulation. To my ears it sounds the same. The secret is to not use extra effects that the old one didn't have.
A more proper synth vs synth would be Rev2 vs Jupiter 8, there they are more similar. I have both a Rev 2 and Juno 106, though my 106 doesn't sound any more, the sound chip has a life span of 25-35 years, mine lasted 30, now I use it as a cool looking synth on my wall. Loved the sound of the Juno but the Rev 2 is a far far superior synth.
It can't be repaired? 😢 I'm repairing a polysix and it's great fun. It feels more and more like my personal instrument as I slowly fix it and get to know it. Get that Juno off the wall and bring it back to life! 😁
@@vanmccalister3345 Restoring old gear with quality components and quality tools and equipment is the most fun you can have with your trousers on, or without, I have solder burns on my crotch to prove it.
Okay so we know the rev2 chorus doesn’t hold a candle to Juno but it’d be interesting to see you create these patches on the R2 but in stacked bitimbral mode and very slightly detuned. Just copy patch a to b and then detune and play em stacked.
I would guess that can create nice sounds but would it sound like a chorus? There’s of course plenty of stuff you can do with detuning and stacking that a Juno can’t.
Nice video. A lot of love goes to the Junos also because of their limitations/simplicity and, like the man said, the high propensity of sweet spots. It's not surprising that a more powerful and precise synth would have harder to find sweet spots, for example there could be more range for variation in single knobs.
If you want the REV2 to get closer to old classic analog synths, go into mod matrix and utilize Voice Component Modelling techniques :-) It'll create some per voice variances for both oscillators and envelopes and all other parameters you like. I found that learning this got me quicker to old school analog sounds in the REV2. but bear in mind, the REV2 is not an old school analog synth. It offers so much more in functionality and has its own character. Maybe that is good enough instead of deeming it thin or "not this" or "not that". I believe there is space for both old school analog synths and new school analog synths sounds :-)
Own both, and I never touch the 106. I’ll leave it for my kid when I die. The feature sets aren’t even in the same universe. The Rev2 has almost software synthesizer features, and despite this is great to program. The number of sounds that the 106 can outdo the Rev 2 on, aren’t nothing……but the number of sounds that the Rev2 can do, that the 106 can’t even attempt, is outrageous. For me the 106 is great for bass, but I have a dozen mono’s that are even better at bass. So it just doesn’t get used.
I had both of these as well and I sold my Juno 106 when I heard the Softube Model 84/ VST. It’s pretty scary how similar each preset sounds when you A/B the factory presets between the 106 and the Model 84. I will never get rid of my Rev 2 though. It’s a Swiss Army knife when it comes to sound design. Great video!!!
@@johnnygorillasI just bought Model 84 some days ago, it is really good. I owned a Juno 106 and I think they sound pretty close, not sure if you can get everything from the 106, maybe not, but at least the tone is there and you can achieve great sounds.
I had a 106 back in the day, and sure it's a classic and sounds great, but I'm sorry my Rev2 (16 voice) is an absolute beast for sound design and is probably 100X more versatile than the Juno. I can get stuff from the Prophet you can't even imagine on the Roland. 4 LFOs, 3 envelopes, 2 or 4-pole Curtis filter, massive mod matrix, comprehensive FX, 2 stereo outs... I mean, there's just no comparison. And, if I want to make it sound like a Juno, I can do it with ease and only with about 1/10 of the functionality on the thing.
I‘m on the same page regarding features and versatility….mentioning it in the video as well. But this is an experiment on how close I can come to a vintage synth which is loved by so many people. And even if the Rev2 can’t sound exactly the same it doesn’t take away from it being a beast!!!
@@telecaster9988 Those are two very, very different synths. I'd think of the Rev2 as a workhorse poly. It can kind of do about anything you'd expect from a poly, owing to the huge mod matrix, high voice count, and very solid components, but the Matriarch is really a modular synth (well, semi-modular, but more that kind of workflow.) I just received my Moog Muse, and that's a more fair comparison, although it sounds really different than the Prophet, which is why I got one. Two vastly different flavors of the same basic package.
Nice work. I have Jupiter 6 for more than 20 years now, and it stacks really well with the newer synths (multiple waveforms per oscillator make it sound unique still). In your video, especially during the pad patch, you can feel the main difference between Juno and REV2 (of course, leaving the chorus aside). I have REV2 and love this synth (as I do Matrix 1000), being fully aware where it shines and some regions it can come short - mainly, the filter is slightly brassy and you will never get identical creamy pad sound you get from IR309 filter on Juno (same filter as on Jupiter 8, but not 6). Still, REV is absolute beast of a synth, that can do most of the poly tasks you need in a studio. I recently did a comparison with Prophet 10 and where REV2 (just like Prophet 8 before it) can fall flat is the low end region, as well as the overall brassy-ness of the filter. When I compare 2 pole mode on REV2 with say, OB6 SEM filter, the slope is the same, but the harshness is still there. It is all understandable, REV2 was the "budget" Prophet. In that, it is similar to Juno, as Juno was a budget poly for Roland at the time. People don't like DCO's but I really do - I had Juno 106, Alpha Juno, Matrix 1000, Rev 8 and now REV2 - these all are nice synths. I would just say one thing - where new synths clearly win is USB, firmware updates etc, honestly maintaining old synths can be a bothersome and expensive ordeal. And to conclude with a note - Juno, same as Jupiter oscillators allow for multiple wave forms to be generated at the same time - so while you cannot detune it, you still get multiple wave shapes playing at the same time. So, you said "it is not the same" while recreating the pad patch - it actually is, just having both REV2 oscillators on, one saw and one pulse/square, with balance/mix at 64. This will give you identical mix of square and saw as on Juno - the only difference is, I always found REV2 saw to be somewhat sqewed - which is not a bad thing at all.
Great insights. I found the sound of the 2 Oscillators with square and saw equally mixed on the Rev2 to be very different sounding compared to the Juno. I wonder if I should have used Osc Sync?
@@johnnygorillas Hey, so, obviously firing up one single oscillator vs two separate ones is a bit different and can cause issues - but i don't think hard sync would change the fact you hear different tone. What hard sync does is it resets the sync oscillator cycle to the the master oscillator - if both of your oscillators on REV2 are tuned to the same frequency, their cycle should be the same, so no need to sync. If you sync and actually hear timbral difference then there is an offset somewhere in the architecture. If you want to make an experiment and make sure you get the same outcome from 2 oscillators on REV as both waveforms on Juno, make sure that Pulse oscillator on REV2 has shape parameter tweaked to 64 or 50% - this will give you pure square wave. Do A/B with REV saw and Square to Juno saw and square and try sync, by all means, but that shouldn't be an issue. Rather, make sure filer is fully open, and filter envelope fully open (sometimes filter still shaves off slightly if envelope is not at 100%). This is similar to some older synths in terms of a quirk.
@@rachelar I’ve had the epoxy resin removed ages ago and it’s been nearly flawless since. I had to only reseat one of the chips once in the last ten years. Part of the game. It’s a beautiful sounding machine so absolutely worth it.
The filter circuit of JUNO-106 is a ticking time bomb that will stop working as it deteriorates over time. I recommend replacing it with a third-party compatible product while it is still available. Good luck!
I already had the coating from the voice chips taken off because they wouldn’t work properly. Do you think the third party parts won’t be around for a long time?
The shape mod on the rev2 for some reason affects how much sub frequency comes through the oscillator depending on where it is. I've noticed the triangle waveform has the best bass.
Vintage is fun as long as it works. But I'd never risk taking vintage gear on tour. Old electronics tend to fail, and there's no "quick fix" or cheap repairs. So my vintage gear is basically nice furniture at home while my cheaper and/or newer gear gets to see the world. Sound wise new synthesizers have the ability to sound pretty much identical for a fraction of the price.
I've done a few months ago the same exercice and quite successfully with a Rev2 and a Deepmind 12. I have found good settings for the chorus and also how to be closer regarding the resonance caracteritics.
The best answer is... Get an MKS-50 and mod it with an input to the chorus (via HPF circuit)... That way, you can use the main features of the Juno series with anything you could imagine...
@@johnnygorillas I suggested it to the tech when the battery died, and I wanted to fit a battery holder to prevent future visits to the 'doctor'... Surprisingly, it works better than we expected, because the incoming signal goes directly to the HPF circuit (not envelope controlled) and then to the chorus (same circuit as the 60/106, but with rate control)... You can take advantage of the 'bass boost' feature of the Junos... and you don't need to play anything on the MKS to let the signal pass thru... I mainly use it to 'junoizer' the mono output of my Matrix-1k... I suppose is possible to do the same with a keyboard Juno... We reused the 'tape interface' mini-jack connection holes to allow both, the input and a knob to attenuate the input signal...
They’re just different synths. The comparison is less of a “is vintage worth it” comparison thing versus a comparison between 2 vastly different boards. I know you mention this at the start of the video, but that’s the main thing which sorta makes the rest of it a moot point. There’s no bad synths, just bad synthesists
I had the 106 several times but they are 40 years old units with tons of techical problems! Chips, potentiometers, rubber strips, knobs etc makes my life harder. Now I'm selling all my old synths and buying new units with warranty!
I owned the 106 for almost six years. For what it is it’s an okay keyboard, but the limitations in the linear structure with near no modulating capabilities and sound shaping-possibilities just made me turn to my JX-3P over and over. You get tired of that chorus sound in the end. Sold the Juno, kept the 3P. Never regretted it.
@@johnnygorillas It’s good! There are of course advantages with the 106 that the JX doesn’t have (I loved the polyphonic portamento and wide chorus setting).
If I had to only have one synth forever and had to choose between the two I would take the rev2 for its crazy list of features But since that’s not the case the Juno to me always sounds magic. I can sit in front of mine with my headphones in and vibe for long periods of time without getting fatigued. Something about the rev2 has this sharp and (maybe surgical??) sound. It’s not that it doesn’t go deep or sound big it just lacks that raw magic other dsi synths have like the pro 6 and 10 I’ve found the rev 2, tempest, pro 8 and mopho/tetra to have this character. You can get some crazy and beautiful sounds from them and they always cut through nice in a mix but if you want smooth and silky sounds these aren’t the right tools for the job.
Seems like the last sound you didn't quite get had to do with bass lacking in the Sequential. I assume this can be somehow adjusted on the sequential, or faked if it really has to do with the quality of combining the wave forms of the one oscillator.
got a jv2080 here in the studio and while it probably will never reach the "expensive vintage gear" status...I will not get rid of it either. Another era - anothere great tool
10'50'' the plastic keys sound is also very different !! More seriously, at the first raw sound with pure waveform we already understand the big difference in warmth and presence
You didn’t bother mentioning VELOCITY, AFTERTOUCH, the SECOND OSC nor the AUXILIARY ENVELOPE on the Rev 2… these kick the miserable 106 IPun the ASS (which I dumped the 106 back in the 80’s for its profound lack of depth) What the hell, dude?
I didn't mention aftertouch, but everything else I did if I remember correctly. And of course the Rev2 has a ton more features....everyone agrees on that.
The dco s and eighties Roland synthesizers Usually just have a quartz clock that stabilize them , They're not digitally controlled as you might think they are ,
Whatever works for you, is the answer. For me having owned a Jupiter 8 and several Juno's, my 2nd Juno will not be sold. It is the original with the nostalgia hard wired, not circuit mounted. Detractors who complain of chip issues and aging components. I removed the coating from my chips with acetone and the Juno has been 100% faithful since. In 40 years time will the modern circuit mounted stuff be repairable or landfill?The simplicity of the layout, RED LEDS and classic sound and design just work. The Juno is nothing special but life without one is no life at all. I agree the soft synth versions sound the same but somehow I never play them or lose myself in the moment like the real thing.
Actually what you need is to get yourself an analog Boss chorus pedal. Any one of them will do. They very much use the same tech as Juno 106. Then your Prophet will sound very close.
I just rationalized my studio hardware, selling any synths for which a VST emulation existed (oh, and anything made by Behringer). I ended up selling 17 synths, and have kept 14. I also reduced my portfolio because I found the choices paralyzing.
Juno actually has quite shitty sound without the chorus, it's funny. It would be interesting to hear the Prophet combined with a June 60 pedal or some other Juno chorus replica, I wonder how close you'd get then.
Love to see the first video in your new studio. Both sound amazing in their own way…the Chorus out of the Juno? Outstanding! Keep both and gift us with your music!
put a lo-fi plugin on prophet, you are done. darker feels warmer in my ears, and juno filter envelope is a bit sloppy, prophet is more punchy as i hear. thanks for sharing.
Yes, there are a lot of ways to make something sound older and vintage these days. And I use them a lot (someone said RC-20 on everything?) but not sure if it’s the same sound.
you're not the first one mentioning this and I just double checked. The noise of the keys is really much louder on the Rev2. No issue in everyday use but still interesting
Johny thanks for the video! So ive been making music for a while now, 6 years producing and years of guitar prior to that. However, I never owned a synth. And I am so confused with what I should go for. Budget is up to 4k$ for used synth. What would you suggest I should look into? I make Avant-Garde Pop. THANK UUU
That’s a big budget for a first synth. I’m not an expert on used market prices if you want to go vintage. But I think you couldn’t go wrong with a Sequential synth like the Prophet6/5 or OB-6. But it really depends on what you’re going for exactly.
don't start vintage. if you are creating new sound, go with a selection of new synths. vintage is a dying cork sniffer hobby that no younger musicians and listeners will have any nostalgia for because they werent here in the 80's and van halen, et al will fade into history. vintage synths is a smoke and mirrors value item. these collectors use excuses like "will smd end up in the garbage but not old through-hole etc etc ETC". that is clueless BS. they have to keep the hype alive to keep the fake value up. NO ONE uses vintage on stage live except Kebu, but that is his specifc gig. you buy yourself a take5, deepmind12 and a behringer ub-xa and you will have 100x better synth ability than a single vintage juno. and maybe get an sh101 for those screaming leads and acidy sounds (or behringer ms1)
@@jjrusy7438 I think there are some valid thoughts in this. I think these synth have their value but are simply mostly overpriced. The downside of this keeps the price of a P5/10 rev 5 etc. also high. I mean why would the sell it for below. Same goes for the Roland digital Juno recreation for 2000k.
No, definitely not worth it. Unless you're proficient in electronics & are capable of maintaining vintage gear, they will end up faulty or completely dead.
They are worth it as collector's items. But no for production and not at all for live shows. At this time you need to take care of those synths as a princess... they are vintage/ historical pieces of art/technology. They are not toys. I have a bunch of synths and I take care of them as museum pieces. I hope eventually they end up in a collection.
People like Frahm have a tech rider which says Juno 60 on it - so the promoter has got to go to a rental service and rent one for the show. No fricking way they tour with such pieces. ;) @@LordoftheBadgers
@@johnnygorillas I use Blade Runner patches (amongst other things) as a bit of a litmus test between synths, and was very impressed by GeoSynth’s BR patch on the Lead 1A. As with your comparison with the REV 2, I can tell the difference between the digital and the analog … but damn, those Nord’s can sound really good … bit of a touring/live musician’s tool, anyway, so live and in a live environment/mix, it would be even tougher to tell the difference … Great machines; not cheap, tho’!
Great comparison! The Prophet has a hard time... The presets are tailored to the strengths of the Juno and we practically grew up with this sound. The Rev2 seems weaker because it doesn't quite meet our expectations when recreating a Juno patch. Perhaps it has its sweet spots elsewhere? But the Juno sounds definitely much warmer when it comes to keybed noise..😋
Years ago I had a vintage Roland digital rack effects unit (DEP-5) and I set out to see if I could duplicate the 106 chorus (I also have a 106). I wanted to use it with other synths (namely the Jupiter 6). I have to say, after some tweaking I got the rack to sound nearly identical to chorus 1. I never got chorus 2 right, but it was close enough. I had a recording doing A/B switching which has been lost, unfortunately. However, when I ran the JP6 or any other synth through the chorus the sound was there but for some reason the magic just wasn't. Didn't matter what I fed into it. There's something about that simple 106 interface tied to that chorus. The 106's sub osc and bass boost in the HPF have a lot to do with it. I have a Juno 60 and even it doesn't really have the same vibe as the 106. I sold the Jupiter and the rack effects years ago and have zero regrets. I've tried to sell the 106 probably ten times. But I back down every time. I grew up in the 80s and somehow that sound is just part of my psyche.
I had a Rev 2 a couple of years ago and I found it so complicated that it was taking me 30 minutes just to get a basic string sound. I didn't like the presets either. I have a Prophet 5 now and I love the simplicity of it and it just feels and sounds high quality. The rev 2 pots felt like they wouldn't hold up to much abuse and i hated the filter, it was very steppy. I had a Juno 106 for literally a day and hated that too but it needed a good service and the voice chips needed removing and soaking in acetone. I just sold it the next day.
The Juno-106 hype reached its peak 5 years ago. Now they are bulking up in every music store not able to be sold. The Juno-60 is way superior to the 106. Still that synth is overrated too. Buy vintage as collectors instruments if you can afford it only
No. No way vintage is worth it. Peeps are nuts. Glad u have cash to waste on needy ancient outdated tech. Ub xa 1200! 16 channel analog! Why waste a dime on overpriced problematic vintage. It's a statement, not a reality that is was better!
@@Curious_Skeptic it fascinates me how the synth community has such a problem with the concept of "vintage". You don't see record collectors moaning about the price of rare records. These things are finite, one of a kind, have an undeniable place in history, and people like to collect those things. They didn't cut any corners in build quality back then either, unlike cheap crap made today. Even 80s plastic is more durable and larger PCB components more serviceable. It's a solid investment with plenty of reward for ownership. Anyone who says it's overpriced or not worth it probably has a case of sellers remorse 😉
@@project-95 If you have the insane money to make yourself happy, no one is taking anything away from YOU. People spend money on countless things to make themselves happy. However, UA-cam makes things out to be like ANALOG IS BETTER and VINTAGE ANALOG IS THE GOAT! That doesn't reflect reality of the masses. It also isn't even true! It's an OPINION!!! Even your comment is 100% opinion, not fact. If vintage was so wonderful, those with the means to own the old gear wouldn't need to repair them all the time! I had a lot of late 80's, early 90's gear at one point. Power supplies, random parts on motherboards, connection failure, screens going dead, back lights going dead, the list went on and on and on. So did the repair bills! I think anything you read in comments, should be assumed just folk sharing their opinions. I respect yours, but respectfully disagree from a place of ownership of over 25k of gear in my studio from 2002. The only thing I still own from that time period is my Emu E4K. It is a PITA to keep going. Not analog by any stretch, but it is a relic and was a VERY impressive pcs of gear for it's time! Lots of Roland samples as well from early 90s-mid 90s. W30 for instance was wonderful. Keeping the little floppy drives and the disks themselves from getting corrupted, not so much. Anyway, if you can afford the beloved Jupiter 8 at 20k and above, god blessed you greatly. LOL. Heck, even finding a 106 under 2k is almost impossible. (A serviced, fully functioning 106 that is). Enjoy your hobby however you like. I'm going to keep my money for a lot better things than a 30k synth from the 80's. LOL.
@@johnnygorillas Yes! I noticed it while you where doing the "move it" bass. From 10:00 onwards. I don't own a Prophet Rev 2 myself, so maybe it's only a miking issue. If so, I apologise to all Rev 2 users, who are probably all mad at me by now .
Very nice comparison. I also have a REV2 and some other synths. I must say I don't like the sound of the REV2. It's strange but there is always something not so convincing in its sound. I would definitely also keep the Juno 106.
I've got a Rev2 16 voice, and feel the same. Something feels tin-ny about it. Is it versatile? Yes, but I'm not a sound designer, I just want to dial in bass, pads, etc, quickly.
Honestly? All hardware shown here can be replicated 100% with VST synths. And that is said by someone who owns 24 hardware synths, of which some are true vintage exotics... One thing is for sure: You use one of the best headphones available !!
That toto track was Originally done with an oberhiem expander . If the new regeneration gear is not the same build , It's the components that they make them out of . Yes, time is going on.Analog components have become more precise in their function , It's good for ninety nine percent of the application , It doesn't make a synthesizer sound go though .
Great video ... You got really close with chorus emulation, but it will always remain the secret sauce of the Juno famliy. To this day noone has completely nailed it.
@@johnnygorillas no way, that's amazing! i genuinely love it and thought it was a commercial print. very cool that it's uniquely personal to you. what an awesome present.
Love it!!! More rev2 content would be much apreciated😅❤❤❤❤❤
It’s kinda hilarious that the magic is literally in THE CHORUS. And we all love it. It’s coded into our nostalgia DNA to represent “what a synth sounds like” in so much music haha. And somehow NO ONE has really been able to replicate that chorus, even to this day. It’s so silly but damn near every one of us would still probably buy a good Juno if given the chance, simply because it’s got THAT thing.
I think it’s the chorus AND the simplicity/accessibility that we all love.
‘That chorus’ is in so many vintage units … basically any vintage chorus with Panasonic or Matsushita bbd delay chips. Roland, Maxon, Ibanez, etc.
Made on earth - Analog Chorus 60, sounds almost identical. Couldn’t tell the difference.
The Feedback modules module is an excellent clone. Of course the sound coming out is different because there is another sound source on the input. These “magic” claimed are only made by people that don’t understand the inner workings of vintage instruments.
if u know how sythesis work and what elements give that certain type of character u are looking for u can recreate any synth sound, people just dont know how it works. any analog synth without any effect or filter sounds flat and in a full mix no one can tell if i used an original juno 106 or another synth with that kind of chorus as an external effekt. if your mix/arangement/playing is dogshit doesnt matter what synth u use and the opposite if your mix/arangement/playing is greate doesnt matter what synth u use. sounds like everybody is just sitting infront of a synth pressing one note and thinks uuh sounds boring or call it "ambient" wich is an false used therm for i cant play anything musical but call it ambient anyways
Your sound replication skills are amazing! Enjoy these two beautiful instruments! Thanks for sharing!
Thank you. I will!
I love my Rev2. But there's a reason why the Juno 106 is legendary. Played it all throughout college and was my first experience with an analog synth. Those Pads and that Glorious Chorus! It can also pull off deep bass as well. And for the record, yes, both of those synths are ANALOG! They produce the same analog waveforms as VCO synths, it's just that the DCO synth oscillators are synced to a digital clock source which is used to produce stable tuning across all notes. The pro is tuning stability, the con is you lose the "character" of the minor tuning discrepancies found on the Voltage Controlled Oscillators of VCO synths. At least that is what I learned in college. And if you Google, "Is a DCO synth Analog?" you'll get your answer there too! 🙂 I had to double-check myself, as I thought maybe I was taught wrong in college... Nope! They're analog!
Yes, that’s a good explanation and exactly how I understand it.
I dont think that vintage synths have the musical value some people think they do. Not saying they don't have desirable sounds. They do. But those sounds aren't so unique that they can only come from a specific piece of gear like collectors like to think they do. imho the value of vintage synths is just nostalgia working its magic on our brains.
Nah it’s about the speed and ease of getting to those sounds
A DCO is an analogue oscillator controlled with a digital clock signal instead of voltage, it is not a digital oscillator by any stretch of the definition.
I was never a Roland guy but a Korg guy. I still have my old Korg Poly6 but sadly it needs a lot of love in a repair shop. On the other hand I have a Korg Kronos which had\s a Poly6 emulation. To my ears it sounds the same. The secret is to not use extra effects that the old one didn't have.
Kind of surprising actually how well the rev2 stacks up
A more proper synth vs synth would be Rev2 vs Jupiter 8, there they are more similar. I have both a Rev 2 and Juno 106, though my 106 doesn't sound any more, the sound chip has a life span of 25-35 years, mine lasted 30, now I use it as a cool looking synth on my wall. Loved the sound of the Juno but the Rev 2 is a far far superior synth.
It can't be repaired? 😢
I'm repairing a polysix and it's great fun. It feels more and more like my personal instrument as I slowly fix it and get to know it. Get that Juno off the wall and bring it back to life! 😁
@@vanmccalister3345 Restoring old gear with quality components and quality tools and equipment is the most fun you can have with your trousers on, or without, I have solder burns on my crotch to prove it.
Okay so we know the rev2 chorus doesn’t hold a candle to Juno but it’d be interesting to see you create these patches on the R2 but in stacked bitimbral mode and very slightly detuned. Just copy patch a to b and then detune and play em stacked.
I would guess that can create nice sounds but would it sound like a chorus? There’s of course plenty of stuff you can do with detuning and stacking that a Juno can’t.
Nice video. A lot of love goes to the Junos also because of their limitations/simplicity and, like the man said, the high propensity of sweet spots. It's not surprising that a more powerful and precise synth would have harder to find sweet spots, for example there could be more range for variation in single knobs.
If you want the REV2 to get closer to old classic analog synths, go into mod matrix and utilize Voice Component Modelling techniques :-) It'll create some per voice variances for both oscillators and envelopes and all other parameters you like.
I found that learning this got me quicker to old school analog sounds in the REV2. but bear in mind, the REV2 is not an old school analog synth. It offers so much more in functionality and has its own character. Maybe that is good enough instead of deeming it thin or "not this" or "not that". I believe there is space for both old school analog synths and new school analog synths sounds :-)
absolutely agree!
Own both, and I never touch the 106. I’ll leave it for my kid when I die. The feature sets aren’t even in the same universe. The Rev2 has almost software synthesizer features, and despite this is great to program.
The number of sounds that the 106 can outdo the Rev 2 on, aren’t nothing……but the number of sounds that the Rev2 can do, that the 106 can’t even attempt, is outrageous.
For me the 106 is great for bass, but I have a dozen mono’s that are even better at bass. So it just doesn’t get used.
I had both of these as well and I sold my Juno 106 when I heard the Softube Model 84/ VST. It’s pretty scary how similar each preset sounds when you A/B the factory presets between the 106 and the Model 84. I will never get rid of my Rev 2 though. It’s a Swiss Army knife when it comes to sound design. Great video!!!
Cool. I‘v never tried the model 84. have to check it out. I got the cherry audio Juno clone and while it’s ok, it’s not the real thing…
Agreed, it has that bottom end weight❤
@@johnnygorillasI just bought Model 84 some days ago, it is really good. I owned a Juno 106 and I think they sound pretty close, not sure if you can get everything from the 106, maybe not, but at least the tone is there and you can achieve great sounds.
I had a 106 back in the day, and sure it's a classic and sounds great, but I'm sorry my Rev2 (16 voice) is an absolute beast for sound design and is probably 100X more versatile than the Juno. I can get stuff from the Prophet you can't even imagine on the Roland. 4 LFOs, 3 envelopes, 2 or 4-pole Curtis filter, massive mod matrix, comprehensive FX, 2 stereo outs... I mean, there's just no comparison. And, if I want to make it sound like a Juno, I can do it with ease and only with about 1/10 of the functionality on the thing.
I‘m on the same page regarding features and versatility….mentioning it in the video as well. But this is an experiment on how close I can come to a vintage synth which is loved by so many people. And even if the Rev2 can’t sound exactly the same it doesn’t take away from it being a beast!!!
I have both. Sounds nothing like a Juno, sorry it just doesn't.
How does rev2 compared to moog matriach? What do you think?
@@telecaster9988 Those are two very, very different synths. I'd think of the Rev2 as a workhorse poly. It can kind of do about anything you'd expect from a poly, owing to the huge mod matrix, high voice count, and very solid components, but the Matriarch is really a modular synth (well, semi-modular, but more that kind of workflow.) I just received my Moog Muse, and that's a more fair comparison, although it sounds really different than the Prophet, which is why I got one. Two vastly different flavors of the same basic package.
If you add a sub oscillator to your first sound it’ll sound a lot better, I think that’s what you’re missing.
Yes the REV2 can make any Juno 106 sound: don't use DCO2 (except as a synced Sub-Osc), the Filter ENV, and only one LFO.
Yes, I used Osc2 as Sub Osc bc the Rev2 Sub Osc doesn’t sound like the Juno sub at all…much weaker. Didn’t use Osc sync though. Can you explain why?
For those who want a taste of the 106 chorus : JX3P
Nice work. I have Jupiter 6 for more than 20 years now, and it stacks really well with the newer synths (multiple waveforms per oscillator make it sound unique still). In your video, especially during the pad patch, you can feel the main difference between Juno and REV2 (of course, leaving the chorus aside). I have REV2 and love this synth (as I do Matrix 1000), being fully aware where it shines and some regions it can come short - mainly, the filter is slightly brassy and you will never get identical creamy pad sound you get from IR309 filter on Juno (same filter as on Jupiter 8, but not 6). Still, REV is absolute beast of a synth, that can do most of the poly tasks you need in a studio. I recently did a comparison with Prophet 10 and where REV2 (just like Prophet 8 before it) can fall flat is the low end region, as well as the overall brassy-ness of the filter. When I compare 2 pole mode on REV2 with say, OB6 SEM filter, the slope is the same, but the harshness is still there. It is all understandable, REV2 was the "budget" Prophet. In that, it is similar to Juno, as Juno was a budget poly for Roland at the time. People don't like DCO's but I really do - I had Juno 106, Alpha Juno, Matrix 1000, Rev 8 and now REV2 - these all are nice synths. I would just say one thing - where new synths clearly win is USB, firmware updates etc, honestly maintaining old synths can be a bothersome and expensive ordeal. And to conclude with a note - Juno, same as Jupiter oscillators allow for multiple wave forms to be generated at the same time - so while you cannot detune it, you still get multiple wave shapes playing at the same time. So, you said "it is not the same" while recreating the pad patch - it actually is, just having both REV2 oscillators on, one saw and one pulse/square, with balance/mix at 64. This will give you identical mix of square and saw as on Juno - the only difference is, I always found REV2 saw to be somewhat sqewed - which is not a bad thing at all.
Great insights. I found the sound of the 2 Oscillators with square and saw equally mixed on the Rev2 to be very different sounding compared to the Juno. I wonder if I should have used Osc Sync?
@@johnnygorillas Hey, so, obviously firing up one single oscillator vs two separate ones is a bit different and can cause issues - but i don't think hard sync would change the fact you hear different tone. What hard sync does is it resets the sync oscillator cycle to the the master oscillator - if both of your oscillators on REV2 are tuned to the same frequency, their cycle should be the same, so no need to sync. If you sync and actually hear timbral difference then there is an offset somewhere in the architecture. If you want to make an experiment and make sure you get the same outcome from 2 oscillators on REV as both waveforms on Juno, make sure that Pulse oscillator on REV2 has shape parameter tweaked to 64 or 50% - this will give you pure square wave. Do A/B with REV saw and Square to Juno saw and square and try sync, by all means, but that shouldn't be an issue. Rather, make sure filer is fully open, and filter envelope fully open (sometimes filter still shaves off slightly if envelope is not at 100%). This is similar to some older synths in terms of a quirk.
Interesting topic….I‘ll test this out when I find the time.
Juno 106 always wins. I’ve got a ton of synths and it’s my fav
It really does
Until it's chips die, ie quite often. $$$
@@rachelar I’ve had the epoxy resin removed ages ago and it’s been nearly flawless since. I had to only reseat one of the chips once in the last ten years. Part of the game. It’s a beautiful sounding machine so absolutely worth it.
Prophet-5
He just needs a Boss CE-2, say, and the REV 2 will stomp the Juno … ☺️
It’s actually great and informative comparison! Thank you, dude!
thanks!!! I was like "meh, where is the difference" but then you played the pad that felt different. really like your videos
The filter circuit of JUNO-106 is a ticking time bomb that will stop working as it deteriorates over time. I recommend replacing it with a third-party compatible product while it is still available. Good luck!
I already had the coating from the voice chips taken off because they wouldn’t work properly. Do you think the third party parts won’t be around for a long time?
So are the vintage synths on one day broken and always in service for me is this over and out with them .
I like that the ''feature comparison'' section is also a mini tutorial for the Juno
The shape mod on the rev2 for some reason affects how much sub frequency comes through the oscillator depending on where it is. I've noticed the triangle waveform has the best bass.
Softube Model 84 is the way to go! TAL-J8 is also really nice-sounding.
This video is amazing!
Both are great !! great comparison
Vintage is fun as long as it works. But I'd never risk taking vintage gear on tour. Old electronics tend to fail, and there's no "quick fix" or cheap repairs. So my vintage gear is basically nice furniture at home while my cheaper and/or newer gear gets to see the world. Sound wise new synthesizers have the ability to sound pretty much identical for a fraction of the price.
I've done a few months ago the same exercice and quite successfully with a Rev2 and a Deepmind 12. I have found good settings for the chorus and also how to be closer regarding the resonance caracteritics.
I miss my 106 from time to time but man... I'm in the camp now where if it doesn't have 2 envelopes I don't want it.
The best answer is...
Get an MKS-50 and mod it with an input to the chorus (via HPF circuit)...
That way, you can use the main features of the Juno series with anything you could imagine...
That sounds neat. Is it generally possible with a 106 as well? Not that I would dare to try but I’m curious…
@@johnnygorillas I suggested it to the tech when the battery died, and I wanted to fit a battery holder to prevent future visits to the 'doctor'...
Surprisingly, it works better than we expected, because the incoming signal goes directly to the HPF circuit (not envelope controlled) and then to the chorus (same circuit as the 60/106, but with rate control)...
You can take advantage of the 'bass boost' feature of the Junos... and you don't need to play anything on the MKS to let the signal pass thru...
I mainly use it to 'junoizer' the mono output of my Matrix-1k...
I suppose is possible to do the same with a keyboard Juno...
We reused the 'tape interface' mini-jack connection holes to allow both, the input and a knob to attenuate the input signal...
Interesting project. Thanks for the insight.
@@johnnygorillas On command...!
They’re just different synths. The comparison is less of a “is vintage worth it” comparison thing versus a comparison between 2 vastly different boards. I know you mention this at the start of the video, but that’s the main thing which sorta makes the rest of it a moot point. There’s no bad synths, just bad synthesists
This why I fckin love UA-cam. Great vid
I had the 106 several times but they are 40 years old units with tons of techical problems! Chips, potentiometers, rubber strips, knobs etc makes my life harder. Now I'm selling all my old synths and buying new units with warranty!
I see what you're saying, but warranty only goes one to three or five years. Are you gonna flip those new synths out after expiration date, too?
Admit i just listened to this on my phone, but i think the 106 is the winner on any speaker system. Great video 🎹💥
yes..... have you tried pressing the 2 poly buttons (1+2) at the same time on the 106? gives you a different sound
I wish my Rev 2 had a dedicated sine wave option.
Africa song was played on a Prophet-5
I owned the 106 for almost six years. For what it is it’s an okay keyboard, but the limitations in the linear structure with near no modulating capabilities and sound shaping-possibilities just made me turn to my JX-3P over and over. You get tired of that chorus sound in the end. Sold the Juno, kept the 3P. Never regretted it.
Never played a jx-3p but I’m sure it’s a great synth
@@johnnygorillas It’s good! There are of course advantages with the 106 that the JX doesn’t have (I loved the polyphonic portamento and wide chorus setting).
If I had to only have one synth forever and had to choose between the two I would take the rev2 for its crazy list of features
But since that’s not the case the Juno to me always sounds magic. I can sit in front of mine with my headphones in and vibe for long periods of time without getting fatigued.
Something about the rev2 has this sharp and (maybe surgical??) sound. It’s not that it doesn’t go deep or sound big it just lacks that raw magic other dsi synths have like the pro 6 and 10
I’ve found the rev 2, tempest, pro 8 and mopho/tetra to have this character. You can get some crazy and beautiful sounds from them and they always cut through nice in a mix but if you want smooth and silky sounds these aren’t the right tools for the job.
Seems like the last sound you didn't quite get had to do with bass lacking in the Sequential. I assume this can be somehow adjusted on the sequential, or faked if it really has to do with the quality of combining the wave forms of the one oscillator.
REV2 Fx are its weakest point however when I upgraded to 16 voice it made it an absolute workhorse. love the old Rolands...
He just needs a Boss CE-2, say, and the REV 2 will stomp the Juno … ☺️
Yes in the 90s you could get 2 106 and an juno 60 used for the same price of a new jv1080, back then it was all about how many voices.....
got a jv2080 here in the studio and while it probably will never reach the "expensive vintage gear" status...I will not get rid of it either. Another era - anothere great tool
@@johnnygorillas JV1080,XV3080 and XV5080 over here ;-).I loved the Juno 60 a bit more then the 106 but it depends on what style and sounds you want
Very fun video. The Juno is just an animal!
10'50'' the plastic keys sound is also very different !! More seriously, at the first raw sound with pure waveform we already understand the big difference in warmth and presence
Love your videos! Keep going!🫶
Kinda amazed how close you were able to get the Rev2 on the Africa chords!
Thanks 🙏
You didn’t bother mentioning VELOCITY, AFTERTOUCH, the SECOND OSC nor the AUXILIARY ENVELOPE on the Rev 2… these kick the miserable 106 IPun the ASS (which I dumped the 106 back in the 80’s for its profound lack of depth)
What the hell, dude?
I didn't mention aftertouch, but everything else I did if I remember correctly. And of course the Rev2 has a ton more features....everyone agrees on that.
The dco s and eighties Roland synthesizers Usually just have a quartz clock that stabilize them , They're not digitally controlled as you might think they are ,
i tried to copy the same settings you showed in your rev2 on my own rev2 and it sounded really different
Wow. That’s strange. What settings exactly?
Sennheiser gang. 🎧
Mine is the Irish one.
great headphones!
Sliders are better than knobs... They give you much better feedback on the settings.
Whatever works for you, is the answer. For me having owned a Jupiter 8 and several Juno's, my 2nd Juno will not be sold. It is the original with the nostalgia hard wired, not circuit mounted. Detractors who complain of chip issues and aging components. I removed the coating from my chips with acetone and the Juno has been 100% faithful since. In 40 years time will the modern circuit mounted stuff be repairable or landfill?The simplicity of the layout, RED LEDS and classic sound and design just work. The Juno is nothing special but life without one is no life at all. I agree the soft synth versions sound the same but somehow I never play them or lose myself in the moment like the real thing.
Actually what you need is to get yourself an analog Boss chorus pedal. Any one of them will do. They very much use the same tech as Juno 106. Then your Prophet will sound very close.
Love my Juno. Sold it once. Regretted immediately. Bought another. 😂. Anyone else get the hiss on the chorus though?
The hiss is part of the charms, isn’t it? :)
I just rationalized my studio hardware, selling any synths for which a VST emulation existed (oh, and anything made by Behringer). I ended up selling 17 synths, and have kept 14. I also reduced my portfolio because I found the choices paralyzing.
Juno actually has quite shitty sound without the chorus, it's funny. It would be interesting to hear the Prophet combined with a June 60 pedal or some other Juno chorus replica, I wonder how close you'd get then.
Thanks for the video - I think I would use the Take 5 to compare to the Juno - Nothing is as good as the Juno chorus
Use the rev2 and buy a Boss Juno chorus pedal and you have the best of both worlds...
Does the boss pedal come really close? Never tried it.
@@johnnygorillasI think the TC Electronic June 60 gets closer…
TC is a but rubbish these days. Get a nice vintage analog chorus, like a Boss CE-2, for example.
great video!
Superb video! Great idea. Excellent sound shaping skills. Great production. Wunderbar! (You are German, right?)
thanks and Ja :)
Love to see the first video in your new studio. Both sound amazing in their own way…the Chorus out of the Juno? Outstanding! Keep both and gift us with your music!
I will ;)
2:42 The Juno 106 has 6 oscillators. It's polyphonic 😉
03 Pad sounds have slow Attack of Amplitude Envelope
put a lo-fi plugin on prophet, you are done. darker feels warmer in my ears, and juno filter envelope is a bit sloppy, prophet is more punchy as i hear. thanks for sharing.
Yes, there are a lot of ways to make something sound older and vintage these days. And I use them a lot (someone said RC-20 on everything?) but not sure if it’s the same sound.
Is it possible to compare the two?🤔
You have to detune the oscillstors a little bit more, when the chorus is not enough "warm".
Sounds great of course…But does that lead to a similar effect as a chorus?
Yes they are worth it. Lol good video!
I don't see your elektron boxes in your setup. Are you still with them?
Yes, my little hardware corner is just outside the frame and the Syntakt is part of that.
Great comparison ....and great video .....but wow the keys on the rev 2 sound so clunky and noisy !!or am I imagining things !!
you're not the first one mentioning this and I just double checked. The noise of the keys is really much louder on the Rev2. No issue in everyday use but still interesting
Vintage is a rabbit hole and at the end of the day the consumer does not care. The music ends up being played on phones and crappy car stereos.
Johny thanks for the video!
So ive been making music for a while now, 6 years producing and years of guitar prior to that. However, I never owned a synth. And I am so confused with what I should go for. Budget is up to 4k$ for used synth. What would you suggest I should look into? I make Avant-Garde Pop. THANK UUU
That’s a big budget for a first synth. I’m not an expert on used market prices if you want to go vintage.
But I think you couldn’t go wrong with a Sequential synth like the Prophet6/5 or OB-6. But it really depends on what you’re going for exactly.
Thank u! @@johnnygorillas
With that budget I'd look into the Black corp. synth offers, Waldorf, and a few others and don't stay with Sequential only.
don't start vintage. if you are creating new sound, go with a selection of new synths. vintage is a dying cork sniffer hobby that no younger musicians and listeners will have any nostalgia for because they werent here in the 80's and van halen, et al will fade into history. vintage synths is a smoke and mirrors value item. these collectors use excuses like "will smd end up in the garbage but not old through-hole etc etc ETC". that is clueless BS. they have to keep the hype alive to keep the fake value up. NO ONE uses vintage on stage live except Kebu, but that is his specifc gig. you buy yourself a take5, deepmind12 and a behringer ub-xa and you will have 100x better synth ability than a single vintage juno. and maybe get an sh101 for those screaming leads and acidy sounds (or behringer ms1)
@@jjrusy7438 I think there are some valid thoughts in this. I think these synth have their value but are simply mostly overpriced. The downside of this keeps the price of a P5/10 rev 5 etc. also high. I mean why would the sell it for below. Same goes for the Roland digital Juno recreation for 2000k.
No, definitely not worth it. Unless you're proficient in electronics & are capable of maintaining vintage gear, they will end up faulty or completely dead.
They are worth it as collector's items. But no for production and not at all for live shows. At this time you need to take care of those synths as a princess... they are vintage/ historical pieces of art/technology. They are not toys. I have a bunch of synths and I take care of them as museum pieces. I hope eventually they end up in a collection.
Nils frahm and Olafur Arnalds use their juno 60s live all the time. Olafur also has a polysix.
I sense they are reliable beasts
People like Frahm have a tech rider which says Juno 60 on it - so the promoter has got to go to a rental service and rent one for the show. No fricking way they tour with such pieces. ;) @@LordoftheBadgers
@@subschnee4573 😂
@@LordoftheBadgers You might laugh but I've seen such riders.
@@subschnee4573 I'm sure you have but if you read about Nils' setup you will know he personally possesses 9+ juno 60s and uses his own live.
Did you sell your Nord?
No! It’s not in the studio at the moment but using it for gigs regularly.
@@johnnygorillas I use Blade Runner patches (amongst other things) as a bit of a litmus test between synths, and was very impressed by GeoSynth’s BR patch on the Lead 1A. As with your comparison with the REV 2, I can tell the difference between the digital and the analog … but damn, those Nord’s can sound really good … bit of a touring/live musician’s tool, anyway, so live and in a live environment/mix, it would be even tougher to tell the difference … Great machines; not cheap, tho’!
Great comparison! The Prophet has a hard time... The presets are tailored to the strengths of the Juno and we practically grew up with this sound. The Rev2 seems weaker because it doesn't quite meet our expectations when recreating a Juno patch. Perhaps it has its sweet spots elsewhere? But the Juno sounds definitely much warmer when it comes to keybed noise..😋
Yes, the Rev2 definitely has its strengths and is super versatile. And you’re right about the keybed noise….I didn’t realize yet :)
Years ago I had a vintage Roland digital rack effects unit (DEP-5) and I set out to see if I could duplicate the 106 chorus (I also have a 106). I wanted to use it with other synths (namely the Jupiter 6). I have to say, after some tweaking I got the rack to sound nearly identical to chorus 1. I never got chorus 2 right, but it was close enough. I had a recording doing A/B switching which has been lost, unfortunately.
However, when I ran the JP6 or any other synth through the chorus the sound was there but for some reason the magic just wasn't. Didn't matter what I fed into it. There's something about that simple 106 interface tied to that chorus. The 106's sub osc and bass boost in the HPF have a lot to do with it. I have a Juno 60 and even it doesn't really have the same vibe as the 106.
I sold the Jupiter and the rack effects years ago and have zero regrets. I've tried to sell the 106 probably ten times. But I back down every time. I grew up in the 80s and somehow that sound is just part of my psyche.
non c'è paragone. Rev-2 è molto piu bello e offre molte più possibilità, però il Juno 106 ha un fascino tutto suo..
No chance to get that intergalactic spacious mojo out of the ever mighty Prophet. Does not get even close for me. Sorry and thanx for great work.
He just needs a Boss CE-2, say, and the REV 2 will stomp the Juno … ☺️
I had a Rev 2 a couple of years ago and I found it so complicated that it was taking me 30 minutes just to get a basic string sound. I didn't like the presets either. I have a Prophet 5 now and I love the simplicity of it and it just feels and sounds high quality. The rev 2 pots felt like they wouldn't hold up to much abuse and i hated the filter, it was very steppy. I had a Juno 106 for literally a day and hated that too but it needed a good service and the voice chips needed removing and soaking in acetone. I just sold it the next day.
I'm happy with the Rev2 but maybe I would also prefer a Prophet 5....it's just so very expensive man :)
So many people don’t make the effort to learn to program the Rev2 properly … It’s their loss. 🤷🏻♂️
The Juno-106 hype reached its peak 5 years ago. Now they are bulking up in every music store not able to be sold. The Juno-60 is way superior to the 106. Still that synth is overrated too. Buy vintage as collectors instruments if you can afford it only
single oscillator synth 🙄
The 106 have deeper and warm sound..the rev2 sounds a bit sterile to me
He just needs a Boss CE-2, say, and the REV 2 will stomp the Juno … ☺️
No. No way vintage is worth it. Peeps are nuts. Glad u have cash to waste on needy ancient outdated tech.
Ub xa 1200! 16 channel analog! Why waste a dime on overpriced problematic vintage. It's a statement, not a reality that is was better!
Mojo. Ubxa has none
@@project-95 lol. Mojo.
@@Curious_Skeptic it fascinates me how the synth community has such a problem with the concept of "vintage". You don't see record collectors moaning about the price of rare records. These things are finite, one of a kind, have an undeniable place in history, and people like to collect those things. They didn't cut any corners in build quality back then either, unlike cheap crap made today. Even 80s plastic is more durable and larger PCB components more serviceable. It's a solid investment with plenty of reward for ownership. Anyone who says it's overpriced or not worth it probably has a case of sellers remorse 😉
@@project-95 If you have the insane money to make yourself happy, no one is taking anything away from YOU. People spend money on countless things to make themselves happy.
However, UA-cam makes things out to be like ANALOG IS BETTER and VINTAGE ANALOG IS THE GOAT! That doesn't reflect reality of the masses. It also isn't even true! It's an OPINION!!! Even your comment is 100% opinion, not fact. If vintage was so wonderful, those with the means to own the old gear wouldn't need to repair them all the time!
I had a lot of late 80's, early 90's gear at one point. Power supplies, random parts on motherboards, connection failure, screens going dead, back lights going dead, the list went on and on and on. So did the repair bills!
I think anything you read in comments, should be assumed just folk sharing their opinions. I respect yours, but respectfully disagree from a place of ownership of over 25k of gear in my studio from 2002.
The only thing I still own from that time period is my Emu E4K. It is a PITA to keep going. Not analog by any stretch, but it is a relic and was a VERY impressive pcs of gear for it's time! Lots of Roland samples as well from early 90s-mid 90s. W30 for instance was wonderful. Keeping the little floppy drives and the disks themselves from getting corrupted, not so much.
Anyway, if you can afford the beloved Jupiter 8 at 20k and above, god blessed you greatly. LOL. Heck, even finding a 106 under 2k is almost impossible. (A serviced, fully functioning 106 that is).
Enjoy your hobby however you like. I'm going to keep my money for a lot better things than a 30k synth from the 80's. LOL.
You should try again with an external TC pedal emulating the Juno chorus
What a shame, that a modern high-tech DSI synthesizer keyboard makes way more noise than that of a 40 year old mid range synth....🤔
Do you hear that in my comparison? I don’t think the Rev2 is noisy at all
@@johnnygorillas Yes! I noticed it while you where doing the "move it" bass. From 10:00 onwards. I don't own a Prophet Rev 2 myself, so maybe it's only a miking issue. If so, I apologise to all Rev 2 users, who are probably all mad at me by now .
The Rev2 has great keys. The 106, not so much. It’s just a mic’ing issue, here.
Very nice comparison. I also have a REV2 and some other synths. I must say I don't like the sound of the REV2. It's strange but there is always something not so convincing in its sound. I would definitely also keep the Juno 106.
I've got a Rev2 16 voice, and feel the same. Something feels tin-ny about it. Is it versatile? Yes, but I'm not a sound designer, I just want to dial in bass, pads, etc, quickly.
Learn to program/use it - it sounds amazing.
@@kierenmoore3236has nothing to do with programming and everything to do with timbre
@@JT-qc2nb Do you still have your Rev 2?
@@kierenmoore3236 Yes.
Rev2 is infinitely better than any Roland, including overrated Jupiter-8.
Nord Lead and move on 👍
Must be most horibble 8tiez Soundz eva How people can like this?
quick answer:
no. buy a super 6 instead.
If you want a modern hybrid, go Summit 💯
my prophet is so hard to figure out its bad
love my Juno tho
Honestly? All hardware shown here can be replicated 100% with VST synths. And that is said by someone who owns 24 hardware synths, of which some are true vintage exotics... One thing is for sure: You use one of the best headphones available !!
That toto track was Originally done with an oberhiem expander . If the new regeneration gear is not the same build , It's the components that they make them out of . Yes, time is going on.Analog components have become more precise in their function , It's good for ninety nine percent of the application , It doesn't make a synthesizer sound go though .
Great video ... You got really close with chorus emulation, but it will always remain the secret sauce of the Juno famliy. To this day noone has completely nailed it.
that's a cool sweatshirt - where can i find one!
Serious question? It features a picture of my son playing a synth and my wife had it printed for me as a present...:)
@@johnnygorillas no way, that's amazing! i genuinely love it and thought it was a commercial print. very cool that it's uniquely personal to you. what an awesome present.
Heh heh love the sound of that Juno chorus swishing around in the background while you're talking, all part of it's charm of course:)
The Rev2 is definitely not a vintage synth…
of course not. I'm not saying it was