How to change the timing chain on a Mercedes Benz C200K M271
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- Опубліковано 25 сер 2024
- This is a follow up video on my car breaking as Mercedes charges an arm and a leg and my car is out of warranty I figured I would wrench on it myself.. The car is a 2010 Mercedes benz C200 Kompressor with the M271950.. motor with 159000 km on the clock.
Huge thanks to Merc Master in Lansdowne, Cape Town for parts and advice.
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Thanks for the great video. Got a 2007 W203 C180K with 240,000km due for it's second chain. The chain has stretched badly. This is my first time attempting this repair myself as the first time it was done was when Mercedes did it under warranty in 2010. I've been looking for a video for a while and yours will help alot. Thanks.
P.S. Merc dealer wanted R32,000 for this job. Got the timing chain kit for R3500.
Please can I ask where you were able to buy it so cheap? My W204 c180K needs this job and the prices I'm coming across are just ridiculous!
Yes the gears are a bit crazy prices online and in the parts shop for oem stuff. I got the gears from a local guy that refurbs then with better steal and the tensioner and chain i got at goldwagen and masterparts. They both do sell the kit but im not sure how much it costs but still way cheaper than having the job done by the shop or dealer. Although that would be the way to go.
Glad to see the car is back and running 👍👍
Warranty covered replacement of intake adjuster . I received a letter in the mail that adjusters was covered up to 120k miles or 10 years .. my car started like a diesel and then ran normal .. just picked it up starts fine .. I have a 2012 c250
That's lucky bro glad you got it sorted.. I did not know that, my car is just under that year and miles I wonder if they cover it here by me highly doupt it.😅 pretty sure I voided that warranty by doing this 😁
Great video. No need for the background music, hard to understand you sometimes with singing
Shot thanks here i thought its maybe to boring without dome tunes. Appreciate the feedback.
Great video by far! Thanks for your assistance bro.
Thanks for you interest good video 👌👌
Could you please explain how to check worn lower sprocket?
The only way from how open i made it is to run a scope camera down in the front cavity other way would be to remove the front timing chain housing that a whole other mission.
So you took sprockets off before removing tensioner
No the tensioner comes out before you loosen the sprockets if you cN lock the cams. But if you dont have the locking tool for the cams you can use the crank pulley and hold that and loosen the cam gears, if its not slipping the chain too much But you run the risk of turning too much and hurting valves
@6:05 How is it possible to turn the crank that much without interference with the valves??
Once you on the timing marks on the cams I removed the spark plugs and when I took off the cam gears. The cams spring into a spot where its not pushing any of the valves down thats how I could turn the crank all the way around. I only put gears back on once i was back on timing marks.
Hello. Was your engine light on? Mine was on and I've replaced chain and it runs good, but eml light is still on. Does it not clear directly after start?
Hi. No my engine light did not go on only the day it struggled to start it went on and i heard it wasnt right. After i fixed it there was no engine light everything was unplugged by the top and front of thw wngine for a good couple weeks including the battery. Maybe that helped im not sure i only had my engine light go on again since then because of a boost leak.
I noticed you turned the crankshaft to wind on the chain.. does this mean the engine is a non interference engine . Is the c180. W203 like that.
Brilliant question the engine is not a non interference engine. I didnt mention this but once both cam shafts are on the timing line none of the valves are being pressed down allowing you to turn the engine over without hitting the valves. DO NOT turn the engine unless the cam shafts are on the timing lines. If they are not lined up you will hit the valves when turning in the new chain. Yes the W203 has the same engine slightly different engine code but looks internally exactly the same. Even when i buy parts sometimes it has W203 on the packaging.
Very good thank you
It's still running madly enough.
Yes sir, you have video for how to remove the EGR,coz I need to clean it,tnx
The engine i have doesnt have an EGR valve the turbo version or CGi has it yes we have a air management thing that sites on the top left of the engine to the right of the power steering fluid bottle. That is where you would put a dump valve if you wanted to. Fairly simple to remove just hard to get to that bottom metal pipe. If i need to clean mine i will surely make a video. 👍
Thank you sir
Hi Yusuf! Is this the direct injection engine or the port injection? Have you had trouble with intake valve carbon buildup?
They are port injection so that intake build up isnt an issue on them, older tech going on here this motors come from the 2005s they were first in the w203 body style.
@@YusufPetersenCPT Thanks for the reply, lekker to see some local content. Safe!
It is true that for the Mercedes b classe 2012/2013 petrol 122hp you need to take out the engine to change the clutch?
Oh yes this is like the known merc thing ask any mer guy or machanic they will tell you to avoid that model the A class had the same setup. Because the engine bay is so tight and they are front wheel drive its easier to remove the entire engine and change the clutch. Best get an auto if thats the one you looking for.
@@YusufPetersenCPT what do you think about c class 2012 engine? Petrol 156hp?
@@CristianCarpiuc they too have some known issues but they are easier to work on and well kept they are great cars. If you want to get into the brand. Look great too
Hi Yusuf. I am doing this job right now. Thank you very much for sharing. I followed your directions for dismantling the tensioner. I just need advice on removing the top timing chain cover that holds the thermostat. Do you have to pry it off with leverage after removing thermostat and all torx bolts male and 2 female, then when replacing the cover what seal/gasket maker is recommended??
Then most importantly, Did you have any following issues after the installation or is the merc still running well?
Very kind regards,
Jackson, from Australia 🇦🇺
Hi there Jackson.. well the front cover you are talking about with the thermostat in can be taken off as one piece with the plastic pipe still on it once all the nuts are out it can be removed just by prying it off it dose sit on there tight. That's how I did it. When putting it back I just use some normal glue devil gasket maker glue with a thin bead around the coolant part and around the whole cover actually just to seal that up good as its logical if it's not sealed good there coolant and oil can mix. Let it sit for a while after putting it back to make a good seal. Yes it's still running after this fix. It's been over 15 000km now. I'm due for another service again I constantly check oil and coolant levels and they dont drop at all. Hope this helps and good luck. I will occasionally feature the car on my channel. 😅👍
Yusuf Petersen thank you very much brother!! I’ll stay tuned 🙏
No worries bro you just take your time dont rush it.
Yusuf Petersen i managed to get the cover off. Thank you.
Now I’m just waiting for my timing chain, tensioner, gear sprockets and valve cover gaskets. Unfortunately they’re delayed due to the bloody virus here in Australia. We only have 444 active cases as of today but the state that I am currently in has restrictions on post staff so it may take a few extra days.
I’ll message you end of week and let you know how I go! Thank you again brother.
@@I_AM_ALL_THAT_WAS yeah man great we also have an issue with getting the sprockets here. I had a guy machine me other ones with harder steal. When you get the parts just take your time with putting it back. Regards bro.
Hello...great video. Do you recall what the torque settings were for the cam sprocket bolts shown at 6:32, please?
The main sprocket bolts are 90nm torque max they are not solid bolts they are hollow to let oil through so do not go over 90nm you could brake them. 👍
Nice fix
Just wondering could the crank be a full turn off, which turn is TDC as it all lines up with the cams on one turn of the crank and on the second turn of the crank there don’t line up cams are 180 off then next turn of the crank they line up again. Confused any one help
I would assume yes, the first piston must be up when crank pulley mark lines up then you should be set for crank timing. Then just line up cam markings.
Yusuf Petersen ok thanks for your replay
Just a note also DO NOT turn cam shafts with any of the pistons up.. I made sure the pistons were half way up the cylinder then I moved cams. I had a long srew driver to do that check. So I lined up cams almost to timing mark making sure non of the valves were pushed down then moved crank to timing mark then only with chain almost on moved exhaust cam into place only once timing is in put in the tensioner.
Yusuf, You didn't show us the chain breaker and joining. What tools are these and where can I get them. Also my left metal pumps (drum that go into the Magnet Sensor) on the exhaust is broken, how do I replace it and where can i buy it cheap? Your email?
Well I modified a G clamp to make it push out the pin, the tool for that is expensive but i heard people using a motorcycle chain breaker tools and that works just fine. About that pump thing yes that will have to be replaced i didnt need to replace that so im not sure where to get that cheap. sorry bro.
Hello. I have a C180 kompressor 1.6 from 2009 that has 130000 km. It was always well estimated. It has been making a low noise for diesel for some time, or maybe more similar to touches, when the engine is started, the first time of the day. It's serious? Do these engines give problems in the chain as in the BMW N47? When making noise in the chain, the m271 1.6 Kompressor engine can "die" like the BMW N47? Thank you.
Well the issue was the materials they used it isn't as strong as it should have been. If the chain and gears fail the motor fails. I would say to prevent that get it checked out and if it is slowly breaking get it replaced you will feel much better.
@@YusufPetersenCPT , hello! I already the materials they used it isn't as strong as it should have been. :( Did your C200 Kompressor make a touches-like noise for 5 s?
@@eduardoa4558 yes on start up you would hear the chain go crazy till it was covered with oil. That's when you know it's not ok.
@@YusufPetersenCPT ,ok. Now I have no money to do the repair :(. If I drive the car for another 6 months, is it too risky? What is the best oil for this engine? Tks
How did you separate the chain, what tool did you use and where is it available, please and thank you I am working on one right now
I used a regular G clamp or C clamp what ever it may be with a big nut on the end and a pin to help push it out when turning the clamp closed. You can get it at your local hardware or big chain store. Works like a charm.
interesting, I thought maybe you used a motorcycle chain link separator
Yes i actually tried one and it broke im sure if you have a nice solid one it should do the trick no problem but at the time the G clamp was my plan B.
How many nm for timming wheels? You said 90nm or 19?
90nm torque. thats not very very tight but the nut isnt a normal nut so i see why not any more than that.
Hi from greece . I want to buy a timing chain kit and gears together. I see a lot of oem kits at aliexpress or ebay at 200-250$ . Do you have experience about these kits? I think they are chinese. Is this too bad for purchase??
Well the ebay replacement kits i have no experience with if you have a european parts retailers check with them first its safe to say the ebay ones wont be as good as oem but then again oem wasnt that great hence the failures. I got mine from a guy that machined replacement gears with harder steal and a Febi chain and tensioner.
Hi mate, was the reason for change is the chain has stretched? I think i'm having the same issue 100k miles 2006 c200K
Reason for change was it jumped a couple of teeth the gears were worn and a couple broke off and the chain was stretched. Chain stretching happens first then the gears go. So if you open up and gears are still good but chain is sloppy then you can get away with a chain and tensioner replacement.
@@YusufPetersenCPT thank you. How long did your job take?
Took me a couple weekends but can be done in one day i just never had the chance in one go.
Thanks again. How was the engine sound? Was it loud knocking noise? I can hear the noise but not that loud. May be i also need new gears?!
@@MT-xy7fw i had to learn the hard way bru best way is to open up cam cover its a few bolts doesnt take too long then you will know exactly what is up.. you will hear chain knocking sound on start up everytime warm or cold. And it will misfire a bit if it skipped a couple teeth if it skips too much thats bent valves. If you open up and check timing marks with crank pulley you will know it skipped if its out. If teeth are fine just put new chain and line up timing you sorted till the teeth go. I had stronger gears put in on top the rest are stock.
About to do the same on my car. Do you have to remove the cam gears? Wouldn’t you still be able to put the new chain in with them in place?
I dont think so the runners will be in the way and if you move the cams wrong while turning the engine you can bend a valve. The cam gears are heavy in the way and eith the tensioner out the chain is just about loose if it can be done let me know that would be great, Oh wait I think the Intake cam is close to the side and I remember having an issue for the chain to pass through with the gear still on but see if you can make a plan maybe just removing the intake gear will work.
Good day guys please advise what brand of timing chain and gears you used where did you buy the parts aswell atm the prices are seriously ridiculous
I put on a Febi chain the gears were reconned with machined hardened steel costed me R3000 for both gears. The chain is about R700 the tensioner is also Febi at R1100, both both chain and tensioner i got at goldwagen. You would need to do an oil change right after too so thats oil and oil filter all together its around R5500 if you do it yourself.
@@YusufPetersenCPT damn meneer thanks cos right now guys talking about 19500 3500 labour and 16000 for parts
Yoh! thats crazy.. theres a mercedes benz machanic in Cape Town that does the job for R10000 and a workshop in Lansdowne that does it with oem parts for R22000.
hi, is that the rattle noise you hear only at startup?
Yes you will here it at start up for a few seconds the longer the worse it is..
Do you need to reset/relearn the timing after? Does it need MB to do it ?
I didnt do any resets afterwards once you get the timing right it should drive just fine mine did with no engine lights or anything. I did reset adaptations recently after i had a boost leak but that was it. Go check out my other videos on this car and see all my adventures with it. As i did do this fix a couple years ago now and its still going strong.
@@YusufPetersenCPT thanks for the reply, will be giving it a go
@@serogsin1166 yeah go for it wish you luck just take it easy dont force anything👍
Hi again @@YusufPetersenCPT. I’ve started this job and have taken thing apart including the top of the timing housing so can now see the gears, chain, etc. noticed the chain has (from what I can tell) 3 different coloured links. Is there any reason for these? Do they need to be lined up with anything?
I’m guessing to pull the chain through the lower part of the housing doesn’t need to be removed but is there any risk the chain will not be sitting correctly as can’t really see what is going on down there without removing. Thanks
@@serogsin1166 well the plan would be to never release tension on the chain so it doesnt slip on the bottom gear. The dofferent coloured links isnt an issue some chains have that as a timing mark but isnt important as the marks on the cams need to line up lining up the chain marks might throw you off.. make sure to remove spark plugs when turning the motor put a long screw drive down the first cylinder so you know where the piston is at all times. Remember do not turn the crank when the chain is off unless you know the valves are not down. With valves all closed and spark plugs out you can turn in the new chain holding tension on both ends till the new chain is all the way in.
JUST A SUGGESTION THE MUSIC WAS OVERPOWERING YOUR VOICE... IT'S NOT REALLY NEEDED 🤔
Thanks yes I told myself when it comes to how to videos I should just leave the music all together or make it super soft.
How can we change plastic guide rail on passenger Side?
You need to open up the front timing chain cover and you need a sort of slide hammer to pull the top pin out thats holding it then it can come out. I saw it on a forum but havent done it myself.
@@YusufPetersenCPT İ Heard that passenger Side can be changed like you open front cover but other Side needs that you said.
@@muratkaynar802 yeah i think it can be done from the top its just that pins that need to come out.
@@YusufPetersenCPT thanks
@@YusufPetersenCPT ua-cam.com/video/SdP2kTbrSL0/v-deo.html
This is my cars chain.do you think it needs to replaced?İTS streched some.
Hi, have you changed the chain guides? Thanks
Hi nope the guides looked fine.. so just the chain sprockets and tensioner was changed
@@YusufPetersenCPT not even chain?
@@savvasgreece8700 i replaced the chain the gears and tensioner.
I am about to do chain and cam adjusters, how did you do it without the expensive "cam alignment" tool? Thanks
You need like a huge spanner to hold the cam on the back end to loosen the gears.l used a huge adjusting wrench i couldnt see the size but its more than 30mm. When i put it back i just kept the crank pully nut as the chain was tight enough for me to achieve the right talk setting on cam gears.
@@YusufPetersenCPT Ok, I was thinking the tool was just to hold the cams in time so to speak, but now it makes more sense. I do have a huge adjustable wrench I could use. Thanks for getting back to me.
Yeah sir, can you plz help me out with my problem, I had 2009model c200 kompresor, troble code p0045, its say supercharger boost control solenoid circuit A open, but where can I find the boost control solenoid, tnx
Ooooo im not 100% sure but i think its that small thing the vacuum lines are plugged into theres one electronic plug in it too under the plastic engine cover to the left of coil number 3..🤔 hope this helps. Most likely just needs to be replaced. If you got that cheap OB2 scanner you can see of you are making boost or not should be around 12psi
Yes sir, I did change already ang all the hoses,but still after 1 or 2days,it will come back again,when I check in my obd2,same problem, the code p0045,it gives me headache, tnx anyway
Sorry hey this one is a head scratcher 🤔
Yes sir,I think it work,now 3days running good,the supercharger is engaging everytime I accelerate I hear the kompresor blowing air, thank you so much
Yusuf, further to the comment I asked before, how did you join the chain. Its supposed to be riveted but I don't have a tool to do that, do you think it would be ok to use the joining link that uses the two small clips, they are Febi so should be good ones, it would make it a lot easier to do, have you any thoughts on this that may help, Jim
Hi Jim well i kinda modified a G-clamp with a nut taped to the back end to push out the existing pin from the old chain then just used the same clamp to push in the same pin using the negative side of the new chain that way i could just turn the chain in all the way around and then push out that same pin and use the clamp again to push in the new link linking in the new chain, I hope this helps.
Armado de motor C 200 k
Yes this is the 200k motor the m271
how did you remove the camshaft adjusters?
The gears itself? Thats not too hard it can be loosened with the chain on still just hold a socket on the crank bolt and then loosed the camshaft bolts its not very tight.
@@YusufPetersenCPT before have to take out chain tensioner ,right?
@@emiljanocakalli1778 yes tensioner comes out first before the gears
@@YusufPetersenCPT i just replaced the adjusters and the tensioner , and i see that in the driver side, down in the guide the chain is loose, and when i manually turn the crankshaft, the chain jumps .! what is wrong with it? why dont have tension in the driver side? is it because the car is off, do i have to leave it like that and when i turn the car on will be normal or the chain is streched and i have to change chain to?
@@emiljanocakalli1778 when doing adjusters and tensioner the chain must be replaced too its most likely stretched if everything else was done right. When i put the tensioner in on my job there was hardly any slack i could turn the engine around by the crank a few times and it didnt jump thats before i even started the car. So DO NOT start it like that replace the chain first. make sure the chain is nice and tight on the intake side coming from the crank and adjusters on their timing mark then the chain should be tight from intake cam to exhaust cam and the slack is on the tensioner side. The tensioner goes in last to take up the slack. Once adjusters are on and tensioner is in you should be able to turn the engine without any issues. If it gets stuck came timing is maybe out.
Slm I wana change can gear too how much it will cost me?
well the gears alone was R3k and the chain alone is R1k. I did it myself so zero labour costs..
How much u gonna charge me to fix for me?
@@aliraza-se9sn naa bru i wouldnt trust myself doing it for someone else too risky man. call merc master lansdowne he does the entire job with oil and coolant for 9k.
Oil 5w40
How did you get the balance shaft timing to be aligned when you did this?
The bottom chain is separate to the top chain and it didnt jump so timing down there should be ok. I moved the crank back and forth a few times so maybe it just happened to be aligned when I put it together. To be honest I never worried about the balance shaft I guess its a lucky accident that it went together normal I'm still driving the car since then put 6000+km on so far still driving normal.
c200 2010
how do you rivet the chain?
The chain came with the connection and pin so I just pushed it in with a G clamp.. and hit it with a steal chisel to taper the end so it doesnt come out.
@@YusufPetersenCPT Thank you so much! You don't know how much you helped me. I searched all day and couldn't find information on how to rivet the chain. You got my subscription and like :)
No problem hey I struggled before I did the job that's why I documented it and try to help those who wants to do it themselves
how many nm you've screwed tensioner ?
40nm just snug its brass so will strip if you go too tight
@@YusufPetersenCPT thanks, and number of torx for belt tensioner to slack belt ?
@@adrianbaranowski4110 i didnt use a torx i used an alen head socket cant remmber the size.
Hello Yusuf Petersen! What is the best oil for this engine?
I used Patronis or you can use Liqui Moly 10w40 but it really depends on your budget. Check my service video for the exact oil I used. But after this job use a cheaper oil for a few hundred KM then drain to remove junk.
In oil I don't usually have a budget limit. I couldn't see the oil you put in your video. Can it be MB 229.51 or can it only be MB229.5? Timing chain work will be canceled for 1 year.
@@YusufPetersenCPT
I already saw that you can use MB229.51. In your opinion is 5w30 good? It's adequate?
@@eduardoa4558 yeah that will do Im sure Castrol Edge in 5w30 will work. Before Patronas i Used Shell Helix Ultra and that was MB229.51 didnt have any issues.
OK. :) I think I'm going to put Castrol Edge 5w30.
You wont be doing this jb DIY on a w212 CDI- the CHAIN IS AT THE REAR OF THE ENGINE. ITS A DESIGN CRIME MERCEDES
What now that sounds like it will definitely suck.😅
@@YusufPetersenCPT Yep- my chain went loose last week and timing went out so it damaged tappets. My mech took rover cover etc off and - WTF...the chain is at the rear of the engine (engine out to do this) So please never buy an e220 or 250 CDI as per a 2010 onwards W212. Mine did not last- issue after issue. I am going back to petrols...my last car was like yours ...a c200 Komp...really good engine
Really thanks for the tip here I thought the CDi were more reliable.. or is it the 320D that sucks not something you wanna hear. The m271 engine also has its issues but other than that they are ok. You just gotta keep an eye on it you shouldnt go a week without checking under the bonnet😅
@@YusufPetersenCPT yep- I check oil level and tyres every week.
Same procedure, who cares where the chain is situated. Did one on a E250 CDI, injectors out, tappet cover off, cams out, break chain, pull new one through and assemble. Cam sprocket is not keyed onto camshaft and uses left hand thread.
Attention!!! If you feed the new chain like in the video at min 6:00, you will break a valve or crook it!!
If the camshafts are still assembled and in one position and you turn the crankshaft to feed the new chain, the piston says hello to the open valves. If you feed it as shown in the video , you first have to remove the camshafts or use the special feeder tool for these m271 engines !!!
Actually no i clearly turned the crack all the way around and more to feed the new chain in. With the cam shafts loose and no gear on with them close to the timing mark theres a point were it isnt pushing any of the 16valves down. Only when the chain is all the way in i turn crank to make all 4 pistons sit lower down or level to make room for setting cam marks. With gears on and close to timing marks i then TDC crank then set cam timing when you put the last gear on you just have to move it slightly to its timing mark to put the chain on and then insert tensioner. I didnt damage any piston or valves doing it this way. Just never turn the crank when you know cam gears are pushing on any valves. Note the cam shaft gears are not on when feeding the chain because they are not pushing any valves down. Thats the key. The gears go back on only once you are ready to set timing.
not Follow SOP
Yeah I did it my own way and worked fine.
Would be great to have translation for us English speakers
He is speaking English 🤦🏽♂️
This was a great "how-to" on how to make a terrible video.
Sorry Uncle I wasn't trying for a pro job.