It's the same argument that you can see in any bar in any corner of the world. Two guys, over invested in their own point of view to truly hear what the other person has to say. Of the two of them, Eric was more likely to surrender points to Chad but talking over him in the process.... Personally, having watched this through twice now I am more convinced with Eric's arguments tbh. All you need is these 2 rounds... Job done.. Chad is going to be test firing dozens of different hand loading combinations before he is happy..
I work in construction. Some men just don't shut up and the only way to get some words in is to start talking and wait for the other guy to shut up. Is what it is when your around a bunch of alpha males. Siss boys are another story, They will be walked on their entire life.
And for reloading…the .300 AAC blackout uses .308 bullets vs. .311 and thanks to the “Squirrel Daddy” case trim jig you can easily cut down .223/5.56 brass to be used in forming the .300 AAC brass (if you spend the $30 for the cheap assed Harbor Freight chop saw) and the .300 AAC really performs well with home-cast powder coated bullets…plus military surplus reloadable brass ammunition from Australian Defense Industries (ADI) loaded with 125 gr. Sierra MatchKing bullets for under .55 cents per round when they are on sale from Global Ordinance (it will be hard to find the bullets alone for that price after tax and shipping)…all in all…the .300 AAC blackout rocks in so many applications 👍👍👍
I can psychologically review Eric as someone that never received validation or attention in his youth. The unit and I heavily picked on wannabe know it alls like him while in the service all the time. So now that he is grown and out of the hazing military world, he wants the masses to listen to him and validate him. I’M IMPORTANT!!!!!!!!!🥴
The reason you gave a guest on an opinion topic is to tactfully, tactfully disagree. They’re proven rounds. Both of them. It’s all preferences. And insecurities apparently…
Subsonic rounds are getting to the point of affordability. You can pick up Sellier&Bellot subs for $11-12 for a box of 20. Still not 5.56 cheap, though worlds ahead of the early $1/round days and an option to consider before cutting down brass and investing in reloading gear. I started reloading specifically for suppressed blackout, and while time consuming it does open up an entirely new world of ammo selection.
Great points guys! I personally love 7.62x39 because it's so well-rounded. It has plenty of power to hunt and is affordable enough to target shoot and plink.
Super Hank Outdoors Yeah he does, he needs to work on that. I can tell he is just the kinda guy who can't help himself when its a topic he is interested in.
Eric should let Chad talk! Couldn’t finish the video. In fact I can never finish one. The 300 Blackout is for those that want to suppress a short barrel.
The 300 blkout I use for deer hunting is the Remington green and white box 120gr OTFB out of my 11.5" ballistic advantage barrel. I have harvested a lot of deer with this setup out to 150 yds.
Harvest data; I shot a deer with 300aac using 194gr lehigh defense max expansion sub pill from 8" barrel. I was hoping the bullet wouldn't pass thru... but it did even after going thru a rib at 75 yds. It DID expand as promised, but the animal ran about 25 yds b4 collapsing. Dbl lung and clipped the heart.
Even with current administration-induced 7.62×39 supply issues and limited availability of prime 7.62×39 hunting cartridges (S&B 124gr SP are my favorite), I would STILL take the 7.62×39 over 300blk because it is still cheaper to purchase, easier to stock up on, and also fills the "life and liberty" niche. That's a hat-trick in my book. Besides, I simply love the ×39 cartridge for just about everything I use it for.
Roll your own !!! If you have damaged .223/5.56 brass you can re-manufacture the brass for 300 blk. I did that to 1000 rounds that would have normally been unusable otherwise. Each has it's upside/downside. All I can say is I LOVE 300 BLK. I reload 147 gr and 220 gr for mine and they work great.
Stonehombre1 Do the same myself. Apart from being into guns, I'm also a big recycling fanatic lol. 300 black gives me a fun/affordable subsonic option, while also giving me a new way to reuse brass that would otherwise go to waste. Let's be honest, apart from accuracy loading and unless you have a nice progressive setup, there's no reason to reload 5.56 300 AAC got me into the reloading game, saves me TONS of money, and opened up a new world of firearms for me. Endless ammo selection, and I can now own more rare and obscure calibers and actually afford to shoot them.
Skip those 147gn bullet crap! Was never meant for 300 BLK. Speer 125gn bullets are often cheap and more accurate. I easily load them to 2250fps. They'll get you out there.
300 blackout is the best !! I researched and researched and just found the idea of an AR using 7.62x39 ridiculous with that funky magazine !! Just get 300 blkout and 556 done!!!
French commando unit, GIGN, was lately evaluating .300 whisper ammo (more or less equivalent of US' .300 blackout. After testing, they ordered 7,62x39 BRENs from CZ, tweaked for subsonic ammo and silencers soo... it seems it really is best cartridge you don't need
I’m fairly certain people had the same arguments when 308 came up to fight 30-06. They both have their place and like any other cartridge, have pros and cons.
Agreed, I see .300 blackout as something for AR people if they want a larger bore bullet using the same equipment. You can use the same mags, all you need to do is replace the barrel, and the bolt carrier. If someone wants a larger bore bullet as a new purchase then 7.62x39mm all the way. I also can see 300ba being used by special forces from a short barrel with a suppressor, and it maybe replacing PDW weapons in 9mm or 5.56mm as it does function so well from a short barrel.
alan wilson since when does the bolt carrier need to be changed when converting from 5.56 to 300BLK? The only parts different from a 5.56/.223 AR to 300BLK is the barrel, muzzle device, and gas system (300BLK using a shorter system). Everything else is interchangeable.
I could see 300 blackout being used as a replacement for an hk mp5sd setup. Compact, quiet and easy to put follow up shots down range (or more realistically down the hall). I dont see much of an advantage otherwise. Like if i had to clear land of pigs and had a budget, I would reach for 7.62x39mm almost everytime just on the merit of cost alone. If I knew that people were planning on breaking in my house and I wanted to protect my families hearing, I'm gonna swallow the cost and go for 300 blackout.
Another informative and entertaining video. When I first heard about the 300 blk. I thought this is a nice little cartridge, but it should have been developed 50 years ago. I believe Armalite should have developed a .308 Kurtz to replace the full size 7.62NATO. The same way the Germans did with the 7.92 Kurtz and the Soviet's did with the 7.62x39. And Chad then we would have surplus 300 Blk.
IV8888, you need to start a new series called Versus. It would be Eric & Chad in a 10 minute video length where each of you take a position against each other regarding something firearm related such as 9mm vs 10mm or MP5 vs Kriss Vector. Then you guys basically argue it out to try to win over the viewers on why your choice is superior. This would be awesome for information and awesome entertainment!
I had little respect for 7.62x39 as a hunting round until I got my hands on a cz 527. I was amazed at 150 yd accuracy. 18.5 in barrel bolt action takes advantage of that 7.62x39.
@joebyden4654 This is not so, you don't gain like you would with a higher pressure round but you do gain 30 fps per inch of barrel. High pressure round gains are somewhere between 50-100 fps per inch of barrel.
1ST Deer I ever shot with a rifle was with a wasr ak and cheap Russian hollowpoints,,,,killed him dead.....I'm really a shotgun hunter I lile to get close..
@@tomcatmcgillicutty6913 their not actually considered hollow points . They call em open points but they have that hole because the way their manufactured but it’s not expected to expand.
Just picked up a ruger american rancher in .300 blackout and love it great round and also my first bolt rifle. Also threaded barrel for my suppressor. Covers about every angle I could think of.
Eric you made some very good points in favor of the 7.62 x 39 over the 300 blackout. I can afford to get much more range time cheaper with 7.62 x 39. I am going with cmmg resolute now just to trade off my 300 blackout stuff. I reload enough as it is.
I hunt with 300blk. No problem killing pigs with super sonic, but when a sub load bounced off a boar;s skull and he ran at me, I am done hunting with sub loads!
Agrippa 2K for subs, I got the best results with 208gr amax (most of the 220gr were keyholed) For supers I like the remington 110gr OTM (made by barnes in a remington box) or the barnes TacTx but those get expensive
Wow... 45+P ha ha ha ! Bloody powerhouse ha ha ha! I'm sure everyone's favourite pig and deer killer is 45+P now after your recommendation. Gee that's about the same power as a 22 magnum......a well know big boar slayer for many years!? Or to put it another way, less than half that of a .223. Or even a 223 at 400 yards if you like. They all sound like pig slayers to me! I cull around 10,000 animals every year. And I've shot well over 1500 wild goats and numerous pigs with Subsonic rounds from 6.5 cal to 458 cal and I can tell you right now 30 cal subsonic even firing 230gr pills is piss weak. There is a far greater chance of wounding an animal with 30 sub than killing it outright. Will Terry I'm afraid it is you sir that is as you say... a fucking idiot......... and an inexperienced big mouth clown.
Great discussion. I wanted to be able to shoot out of a 9 in barrel sub and super suppressed and was willing to make an upfront investment in reloading equipment. So that lead me to 300 blk. Otherwise, I would've went 556 since I wanted to stay with an ar-15 platform since it was my first rifle. I can see however the viability of the ak-47 round for other reasons.
Yup, 7.62x39 is awesome. I’m pretty sure 300 Blk is better in almost every way except overall capacity, but I like to shoot. I’ve got a decent amount of spare cash but 300 is just too pricey. I am at the point in life where 5.56 and 9mm cost is basically the same to me, (yes 9mm is definitely cheaper but fun for bang is 5.56) but not at the 300 Blk bank account yet.
There are many safe loadings from sub-sonic to high velocity. 7.62x39mm can’t do this. Both do work well in short barrels but 300 Blk can work in extremely short barrel. Still I see your point and for my money 7.62x39mm is my goto all day long. I don’t own a 20ga shotgun because I own 12ga shotguns and so there’s a possibility for accidents or oversights. I also shoot .40 S&W instead of 9mm and 9mm major in the same guns with spring changes for the same reason even though for competition I need four guns instead of two for my events. 300Blk can be loaded and shot in my 5.56’s once. Not worth it to me even though there are distinct advantages in this caliber.
Most people don’t shoot near enough.22-250 to snake out a barrel. And if you do then a new barrel ain’t no big thing. Also Kirsten Stewart always looks like she smells someone else’s fart but isn’t quite sure if it’s hers.
She’s pretty though, and I’m sure she’s a wonderful person as well. I worked on a movie she did although I never met or even saw her, I shot second unit but everyone said she was quiet and polite.
Price? Compare some brass cased Hornady SST ammo for 762x39, 308, and 300 BLK. Cheapest 300 BLK, most expensive 762x39. Compare any comparable brass cased 762x39. it is ALWAYS more expensive. When steel cased Wolf 300 BLK (not avail in US yet) or from Hornady is available perhaps that will finally end the price "point".
Agrippa 2K no, according to ammoseek the prices are pretty comparable until you get into the specialty stuff like exapnding bullets, subsonics, and frangible ammunition. This is not counting the 300bo reloads and the 762x39 surplus brass. Until wolf or Sgammo order “cheap” 300bo, 762x39 will be more popular.
No............ Matvey.. Close but no cigar. 300 bo is weaker than advertised by a small margin which makes it Even weaker in comparison. Also Cost difference is huge. Your going heavy suppressed that ...? Sure 300 BO is worth it. 95% of us Do Not. Also with a good barrel. Faxon or PSA. The ak round is surprisingly accurate. OR out of bolt action.
@@beards-N-boonies usually now you can handload 300 blackout alot easier though and can start hitting 7.62x39 power standard 300 is a 125 gr at 2250 fps while 7.62x30 is like a 123 gr at 2350 fps from the same barrel so about 100 ft lbs more than 300 blackout for sometimes half the price
This is a great discussion thank you for addressing hand loading and cycling and hunting and use at different distances. You covered everything well in this vid. I think people give Eric and Chad's relationship too much scrutiny. They get a long well and it's just how they interact. There are other videos in which they defend their dynamic. Chad speaks up when he needs to. You guys are a great team. in my opinion.
For some, reloading for the 300, tweaking the components and loads is simply half the fun. It's all about what you intend to do with it. Personally, I own multiple flavours of both :P
I know I'm late to this but, your point is dead on for me. I shoot and reload for 5.56, 7.62x39 and 300 black. And of those three i have so much more fun tinkering around with the 300.
BoogalooBoy1776 Price wise maybe but as for availability 300 is readily available at my local academy. Most dealers as well. Or maybe its bc im in the louisiana swamps lol
Enjoyed the vid and commentary. I prefer the 300 BO because of supressor capability. I form my own cases from M193 brass. I have good luck with cast "boolits" and never intend to hunt much past 200 yards here in Florida. Accuracy is acceptable and standard deviation of velocity causes most of my rounds to be subsonic with occasional sonic crack with a temp, or humidity change. But everybody picks what they like and what works for em. Just enjoy the sport.
You guys could make multiple videos on long term reloading experimentation projects. Eric works on 7.62x39, Chad on 300blk. Then get together and shoot both calibers together, and compare notes. While you get started, I'll get the popcorn! Lol!
I get to have my cake, eat my cake, and still have my cake. :) I have an RMCS-4(+1) it is modular and fires .300 blackout, 7.62x39, .556NATO/.223, 9mm and the (+1) .22 LR. It is the ultimate SHTF rifle system...like it love it, want more of it. Keep up the pristine 2A content!
Yes. Because 300blk burns powder faster so you get full powder burn in short barrels. I could be wrong but I believe it was made specifically for special forces to have a round that they could go from near silent subsonic suppressed in tactical situations to supersonic when needed if the fight goes hot.
I think one of the biggest pro's for the .300 sub rounds is home defense. Even non suppressed they are quiet enough to be relatively discreet and minimize hearing damage when fired inside a home. The lack of a visual signature is also beneficial as I would assume most home invader situations would take place at night and having a big fireball coming out the end of the barrel in the dark is almost certain to temporarily disorient your vision , complicating engagement and also would alert an armed invader as to position. Use in a home also begs the consideration of over penetration. Almost any supersonic rifle cartridge be it 5.56/.223, 7.62X39, .300 blackout are perfectly capable of going through the bad guy, my wall, across the street and thought my neighbors wall with still lethal amounts of energy, a sub is going to hit the bad guy and stop, even if I do miss and even if it manages to get out of the house it isn't going anywhere with enough energy to do anything. Every bullet has a lawyer attached to it. My last point is that the shorter barrels and configurations on a lot of .300 guns, especially sub guns lend them to be a little more user friendly in the close quarters home situations, you aren't trying to fumble around in a high stress situation with a 3-1/2 foot long gun through hallways and doors. Just my 2 cents.
You're smoking crack if you think 300 subs are discreet. Much less when fired indoors. Go to an indoor range and test your theory. You'll find that subs are still breaking 160 db
I have both in Palmeto kit parts. You hit the nail on the head. I reload 300 AAC and plink with 7.62x39mm due to off-the -shelf economy ammo. I convert .223/5.56 brass to 300 AAC. I’ve experienced poor quality is bulk economy 300 AAC ammo with having to disassemble over 1/2 off my last purchase and resize the cases to achieve reliable feeding. No problems with brand-name ammo but 1.5 times or more expensive than the bulk ammo. I’ve ordered 7.62x39 dies. Will report my 7.62x39 reloading experiences at a later date.
I believe the popularity of 300 blackout is close to the same as the reason for the popularity of 6.5 creedmoor. Both fit in their respective platform with pretty much only a change in barrel (ar15 and ar10) and do some things 5.56 and 308 don't do as well at in comparison (shoot suppressed and flatter shooting for longer distances)
Lol 70 years In direct combat not many other rounds out there has a performance like that probably no other round ever will, 80 years on the battlefield is no joke.. pretty fuckin versatile ..300 standing next to 762 ,is quite literally an ant standing next to a giant In every sense of the word
If ammo manufacturers chose to invest time and research into the 7.62x39, it could easily be tailored to match the 300blk. I blame the market rather than praise the 300blk.
Yea, the interchangeability of the ar's is the second reason I love them so much. Recently built one in a pistol configuration for 300 blk, and the only specific part i had to get was the barrel.
Make it with Karl Kasarda (sp.). Both Eric and Karl tend to dominate whatever conversation they're in -- the video with both of them would be hilarious with both talking rapidly at full volume trying to drown the other one out.
I use those 154 grain soft points for everything. They cost 25 cents per shot, where the cheapest of the cheap ak ammo is 20 cents per shot. So yeah a bit more expensive, but they are capable of 1-2 moa groups out of my ruger ranch. They are also boat tail projectiles. The extra weight plus the boat tail gives these some of the best ballistic coefficient out there for 7.62x39. By just 100 yards out its got every other 7.62x39 beat.
I have both in AR15 style. I built a 762x39 upper because cheap ammo. If shtf you find you neighbor has 9mm, 223, 22, and 762. They won’t have 300b/o. However, 300b/o is better for suppression. Especially if you are doing an SBR. So I love them both for different reasons. If I had to pick 1 on and AR it would be 300 just due to reliability factors on AR platform specifically.
And they talked to me into buying a 300 blackout. Shows they are providing info so people can get what's best for them not just a dumb caliber war video.
I still miss Barry but this is great stuff, one of my favorite channels. If you don't learn something from Chad you aren't paying close enough attention :)
Thanks guys. I actually found the interruptions between you guys pretty funny. Just a couple of guys shooting the shit about guns and ammo, just feels real.
One reason i want to go with 300 aac over 39 is because living in a lead free hunting ammo state the avalible bullets for hand loading makes a big difference for me
Brendan's life you can use the exact same bullets in the x39 that you use in the blackout. The x39 can use either .308 diameter bullets or .310 Edit: And the x39 is nowhere near as finicky on powder/bullet choices as the 300BLK
jimhans1 Just because it can use .308 doesn't mean you should. Wasn't a fair amount of Russian "accuracy" issues due to people using .308 bullets versus the proper .310/.311 pills? Nothing wrong with x39, I love mine and wouldn't trade it for the world. Cheap ammo by the boat load, but my .300 fills a niche I like as well. Can shoot suppressed without the issue of suppressing an AK, or the reliability issues of x39 ARs. Can switch between supers and subs without issue, and I've experienced no issues with powder and I run H110, a powder most have issues with.
BW83 M I run nothing but .308 in my x39 guns, including the ones with .310 bores, and have never had accuracy issues at all, in fact, quite the opposite, I've found the .308 to shoot some of the best groups from them. And, in my AR platform guns in x39, I also have the ability to run both supers and subs either with or without cans with zero issues in feeding or function, ever. I've not found a niche where the 300BLK does anything I can't do with the x39 either in bolt or semi, so I sold them to buy more reloading components for other rounds that serve more purpose.
It's an apples to oranges comparison. 7.62X39 is an all around great round. Everything it does WELL, it does better than the .300 Blackout. Which is most everything. However, the .300 Blackout is far superior for SBRs, pistol calibers, and subsonic/suppressed uses. Or if you have an AR-15 lower and want a quick, easy, cheap conversion to a .300 caliber round. Other than that, there's no reason to get one over the 7.62X39 IMHO.
How is .300 Blackout better for SBR/suppressed use? Dedicated subsonic 7.62x39 has the exact same performance. French special forces actually switches to 7.62x39 for suppressed use a few months ago.
The .300 bullet is 10% heavier (200 grain for the 7.62 and 220 for the .300), the case size advantage that the 7.62 has is negated by the subsonic speed limit, there is .300 Blackout subsonic ammo at most gun shops, and the availability of .300 Blackout components for SBRs and pistols is much, much higher than for 7.62. Mostly because anyone can go to a gun show and buy a .300 Blackout upper for under $350 (or from Palmetto State for around $300) and slap it on an AR lower. Add a suppressor and you're set up with a damn fine home defense weapon that won't blow your ears out if you have to fire it indoors. Can't say that about 7.62 X 39. Maybe the French just wanted to utilize their on-hand AK mags? Or they were just being French and didn't want no damn inch caliber guns! LOL
Nah, the latest 7.62x39 subsonic for the AK-15 and 6P68 are well above 220gr. Here in Europe AR-15 are rather expensive with low parts availability, while Russian firearms are not banned. That makes 7.62 just the more reasonable choice.
Good points! Thanks for the perspective, that makes a lot of sense. My home defense gun is a .300 Blackout suppressed AR-15 pistol, so I'm kinda biased towards that. Around here ARs are a dime a dozen. I've had AR parties where we get together in my shop and work on ARs and have a couple beers. I've not worked on any AKs yet, so that adds to my bias. I'll have to get one next.
Exactly, what it does well: Giant Fireball, check. More Recoil, check. 2-3 MOA, check. Cheap Steel cased ammo (if you are into that sort of thing), check (unless 300 BLK WOLF hits US). Limited bullet options (15 vs 300), check. 762x39 is a Zombie cartridge. A little more alive than a Mosin Nagant. No development at all. Oh wait I see what you are really trying to say: "An AK is better than an AR".
This is the second time I've watched this video. These guys thoroughly covered this subject! I own rifles of both calibers and found their analysis spot on. Thanks guys. Enjoyed your presentation very much.
The 300BO offers two things while doing so from a compact AR-15 or similar (Rattler) package using standard AR mags. Ballistics of a flatter shooting 45 ACP with a subsonic 220gr bullet. Better performance than the AK in short barrels without the HUGE fire balls.
Like you guys said, they both have their merits. If you want a good utilitarian cartridge 7.62x39 is great, if you want a shorter barrel that has the ability to run subs/supers back and forth and be suppressed well, .300BLK is for you. I think an 8" .300BLK AR pistol would be a wicked little truck gun personally. 7.62x39 would be the better "Go to War" cartridge though of course.
7.62x39 every day. In my eyes its better cartridge than 5.56 nato . But then again, i got my training with Sako Rk62 and 7,62 KvKK 62 back in the day , so could be that its just what im used to. Would love to test 7.62x51 / nato round . I think it would have best sides from both rounds , 5.56 and 7.62x39 . I just do not see need for 300bo for anything.
7.62x39mm wins out in cost, performance, recoil, availability, proven history, lots of rifle choices. 300BKO is nice and all but it seems to be a secondary caliber. All opposite of the 7.62x39 except for recoil and similar performance. I agree 100% that the 7.62x39 with all aspects considered is a great hunting round for medium game animals under 300 yards. Great youth round as well.
I chose the 7.62x39 for my suppressed rifle because of the price. Managed to acquire 1500 rounds of subsonic ammo before the panic. Hard to go wrong with the most common small arms cartridge on the planet.
You might as well argue wether pornhub is better than redtube. When in reality it doesn't matter much, just bring a good hearty paper towel and you can't go wrong with either one.
300 and 8.6 are the advancement of ballistics. They're amazing for short barrel platforms. 4 years after this video was made, and 300AAC has gotten more and more popular thanks to the AR viability and the short barrels that it uses. 7.62x39 isn't going away, it's a staple and anyone that runs the AK platform will always have plenty of em, but ballistics technology is advancing and the blackout cartridges making use of fast powders and short cartridges are amazing, though they are really for more of a bipod mammal than a large game hunting round. .308 and .338 are all we really need for taking large game, but it's fun to play around. Precision long range shooting is using 6mm and 6.5cr, so it's all advancing. When I was a kid 30-30, 30-06 and 7.62x51 was more common and now we have the blackout cartridges making big changes, especially that 8.6 with a 1:3 rotation. They blow stuff up.
I shot a 8 point white tail deer with a 300 blackout pistol at 300 yards with a 208 grain subsonic two years ago with a 10 1/2 inch barrel suppressed . The white tail dropped in its tracks did not walk a foot . I have shot 5 white tail deer so far with 300 blackout pistols and rifles . I have also shot several deer with 7.62x39 MM and I Absolutely LOVE the Caliber and own several firearms in the Caliber .
.300 BLKout came into popularity by the Spec Ops community in the middle east, needing a harder hitting close range round, subsonic and canned, The makers of the round then marketed it and made it MORE popular.
This is America. You can have both.
The 300 Blackout IS BOTH. It's the "American AK".
YEAH 'MERICA!!
All three!
Also in Pakistan
Not if the liibbrraass have their way!
Sell me 300 Blackout for less then $0.20, and I will never touch 7.62×39.
Find me some 190gr sub x rounds in 7.62x39 and I'll swap from 300 blk out
Brown bear has 194 grain sub 762, Atomic has 220 grain sub 762 and alot other 762 sub in a variety of grains...
@@travisfrinzell284 It's called .45 ACP
@@travisfrinzell284 I'd rather tell you to buy a 45 acp and stop buying bullshit. Oh...and a can for it
@@MegaBoooooooooooooob and I have a 45 acp...problem solved
Is Chad slowly morphing into Eric?
wtf...
FlashDrive people like you are why we have the second amendment
I wasn't expecting this when I chose to read the replies.
Joe Morrell yeah, what's wrong with twitch over there?
Chloe The Magician and even luckier in 2018 to have the first amendment.
I get the impression that Chad putting in his input makes Erik uncomfortable
Chad's second voice threatens Erik's authoriteh
I wish Eric woulda let Chad talk, he just didn't want to hear about the blackout
It's the same argument that you can see in any bar in any corner of the world. Two guys, over invested in their own point of view to truly hear what the other person has to say.
Of the two of them, Eric was more likely to surrender points to Chad but talking over him in the process....
Personally, having watched this through twice now I am more convinced with Eric's arguments tbh. All you need is these 2 rounds... Job done..
Chad is going to be test firing dozens of different hand loading combinations before he is happy..
@@CS-zn6pp He has a curious and inquisitive personality, he enjoys it.
I really think a lot of y’all missed the point.
Eric annoys the shit out of me, kinda guy that brags about his GWOT ribbon on his Class As🥴. I’m here for the other guys.
Right
You guys talking over each other drove me crazy.
Fernando Vega
Work on your English you'll get used to it
Rus ridge You made the same mistake he did! Haha... idiot.
Andrew Delashaw - Fernando didn't make any mistakes. The guy who commented was just a dick.
*Fernando Vega* Eric's fault, as always...
I work in construction. Some men just don't shut up and the only way to get some words in is to start talking and wait for the other guy to shut up. Is what it is when your around a bunch of alpha males. Siss boys are another story, They will be walked on their entire life.
this is why debates have timers for each person to talk
It’s not a debate.
And for reloading…the .300 AAC blackout uses .308 bullets vs. .311 and thanks to the “Squirrel Daddy” case trim jig you can easily cut down .223/5.56 brass to be used in forming the .300 AAC brass (if you spend the $30 for the cheap assed Harbor Freight chop saw) and the .300 AAC really performs well with home-cast powder coated bullets…plus military surplus reloadable brass ammunition from Australian Defense Industries (ADI) loaded with 125 gr. Sierra MatchKing bullets for under .55 cents per round when they are on sale from Global Ordinance (it will be hard to find the bullets alone for that price after tax and shipping)…all in all…the .300 AAC blackout rocks in so many applications 👍👍👍
Eric you need to work on not interrupting Chad so much. I like the videos but I like to hear from Chad too.
he used to do the same with Barry and it ended up giving him a heart attack
I can psychologically review Eric as someone that never received validation or attention in his youth. The unit and I heavily picked on wannabe know it alls like him while in the service all the time. So now that he is grown and out of the hazing military world, he wants the masses to listen to him and validate him. I’M IMPORTANT!!!!!!!!!🥴
The reason you gave a guest on an opinion topic is to tactfully, tactfully disagree. They’re proven rounds. Both of them. It’s all preferences. And insecurities apparently…
You interrupting him every sentence was annoying, I could not finish the video. Let the guy talk.
Same thing here
Exactly!!! The channel is badass but the guy projects as listen to me I’m important.
Your loss
Same
@@bryananderson3772 how?
If you reload and want to shoot suppressed, subsonic, with a short barrel then 300 blackout is for you.
Thats why it was made. It wasn't supposed to replace anything it serves a specific purpose
Subsonic rounds are getting to the point of affordability. You can pick up Sellier&Bellot subs for $11-12 for a box of 20. Still not 5.56 cheap, though worlds ahead of the early $1/round days and an option to consider before cutting down brass and investing in reloading gear.
I started reloading specifically for suppressed blackout, and while time consuming it does open up an entirely new world of ammo selection.
Exactly
Thank you I was hoping someone would answer that question!!
Great points guys! I personally love 7.62x39 because it's so well-rounded. It has plenty of power to hunt and is affordable enough to target shoot and plink.
What points one guy wouldn’t shut up throughout the whole video.
@@mitchjames9350 it's OK for the host of a show to talk more than the guest
Love me some 7.62x39 also
Now 7.62x39 the same price as better quality reloaded 300 blk. And when supply of Russian ammo will end …
Iraq u interrupt your partner a lot lol. He can’t even get a full sentence in
Super Hank Outdoors do you mean Eric?
The only time he didn't interrupt him he ended up being wrong on the powder hahaha
He's just getting excited about it all. shows you he's giving it all he's got
Super Hank Outdoors Yeah he does, he needs to work on that. I can tell he is just the kinda guy who can't help himself when its a topic he is interested in.
He's probably use to it😂😂
Eric should let Chad talk! Couldn’t finish the video. In fact I can never finish one. The 300 Blackout is for those that want to suppress a short barrel.
Or just get good performance from a short barrel
Your loss
Thats a stupid statement
As a life long AK guy, I love the info & comparison we get on these rds. Thanks guys.
If Eric didn’t interrupt Chad every sentence I would watch this channel more. 🤦🏻♂️
Your loss
@@bryananderson3772 how?
All calibers matter
tyler warren except for 40
MK-19 MEME launcher 40 matters just as much, if not more.
MK-19 MEME launcher I was about to say that. 40 is dead.
I think you mean Blackout Cartridges Matter... 😉
MK-19 MEME launcher no except for 380
The 300 blkout I use for deer hunting is the Remington green and white box 120gr OTFB out of my 11.5" ballistic advantage barrel. I have harvested a lot of deer with this setup out to 150 yds.
Is that enough to make a difference? You be the judge...
Harvest data; I shot a deer with 300aac using 194gr lehigh defense max expansion sub pill from 8" barrel. I was hoping the bullet wouldn't pass thru... but it did even after going thru a rib at 75 yds. It DID expand as promised, but the animal ran about 25 yds b4 collapsing. Dbl lung and clipped the heart.
Even with current administration-induced 7.62×39 supply issues and limited availability of prime 7.62×39 hunting cartridges (S&B 124gr SP are my favorite), I would STILL take the 7.62×39 over 300blk because it is still cheaper to purchase, easier to stock up on, and also fills the "life and liberty" niche. That's a hat-trick in my book. Besides, I simply love the ×39 cartridge for just about everything I use it for.
Roll your own !!! If you have damaged .223/5.56 brass you can re-manufacture the brass for 300 blk. I did that to 1000 rounds that would have normally been unusable otherwise. Each has it's upside/downside. All I can say is I LOVE 300 BLK. I reload 147 gr and 220 gr for mine and they work great.
Stonehombre1
Do the same myself. Apart from being into guns, I'm also a big recycling fanatic lol. 300 black gives me a fun/affordable subsonic option, while also giving me a new way to reuse brass that would otherwise go to waste. Let's be honest, apart from accuracy loading and unless you have a nice progressive setup, there's no reason to reload 5.56
300 AAC got me into the reloading game, saves me TONS of money, and opened up a new world of firearms for me. Endless ammo selection, and I can now own more rare and obscure calibers and actually afford to shoot them.
Skip those 147gn bullet crap! Was never meant for 300 BLK. Speer 125gn bullets are often cheap and more accurate. I easily load them to 2250fps. They'll get you out there.
300 blackout is the best !! I researched and researched and just found the idea of an AR using 7.62x39 ridiculous with that funky magazine !! Just get 300 blkout and 556 done!!!
French commando unit, GIGN, was lately evaluating .300 whisper ammo (more or less equivalent of US' .300 blackout. After testing, they ordered 7,62x39 BRENs from CZ, tweaked for subsonic ammo and silencers soo... it seems it really is best cartridge you don't need
I’m fairly certain people had the same arguments when 308 came up to fight 30-06. They both have their place and like any other cartridge, have pros and cons.
You sure that was the case with the .30-06 and .308? I don’t remember there ever being that argument.
Agreed, I see .300 blackout as something for AR people if they want a larger bore bullet using the same equipment. You can use the same mags, all you need to do is replace the barrel, and the bolt carrier. If someone wants a larger bore bullet as a new purchase then 7.62x39mm all the way. I also can see 300ba being used by special forces from a short barrel with a suppressor, and it maybe replacing PDW weapons in 9mm or 5.56mm as it does function so well from a short barrel.
alan wilson since when does the bolt carrier need to be changed when converting from 5.56 to 300BLK? The only parts different from a 5.56/.223 AR to 300BLK is the barrel, muzzle device, and gas system (300BLK using a shorter system). Everything else is interchangeable.
My mistake
I could see 300 blackout being used as a replacement for an hk mp5sd setup. Compact, quiet and easy to put follow up shots down range (or more realistically down the hall). I dont see much of an advantage otherwise. Like if i had to clear land of pigs and had a budget, I would reach for 7.62x39mm almost everytime just on the merit of cost alone. If I knew that people were planning on breaking in my house and I wanted to protect my families hearing, I'm gonna swallow the cost and go for 300 blackout.
New game, take a drink every time Chad interrupts Eric.
My liver would not survive!
Wrong way around there bud
aka "let's stay sober"
Me and my best bud. Lol. We always circle back around, but sometimes it takes days. lol.
Tried that. Not even halfway through and I'm blasted to the useless tard level.
Another informative and entertaining video. When I first heard about the 300 blk. I thought this is a nice little cartridge, but it should have been developed 50 years ago. I believe Armalite should have developed a .308 Kurtz to replace the full size 7.62NATO. The same way the Germans did with the 7.92 Kurtz and the Soviet's did with the 7.62x39. And Chad then we would have surplus 300 Blk.
These two are like a talkative elderly couple always correcting each other and speaking over each other
IV8888, you need to start a new series called Versus. It would be Eric & Chad in a 10 minute video length where each of you take a position against each other regarding something firearm related such as 9mm vs 10mm or MP5 vs Kriss Vector. Then you guys basically argue it out to try to win over the viewers on why your choice is superior. This would be awesome for information and awesome entertainment!
Sort of. I think having a more condensed and objective orientated format would be better than just talking for 25 minutes between each other.
I smell a bitch behind the two..
He said, She said?
You'd need a moderator present, else they'd just end up trying to talk over each other.
I think Eric is the nicer guy. Seems more pleasant to be around.
I had little respect for 7.62x39 as a hunting round until I got my hands on a cz 527. I was amazed at 150 yd accuracy. 18.5 in barrel bolt action takes advantage of that 7.62x39.
18.5 all the way down to 12.5 your gonna get the same velocity because it's 762×39 is a low pressure round
@joebyden4654 This is not so, you don't gain like you would with a higher pressure round but you do gain 30 fps per inch of barrel. High pressure round gains are somewhere between 50-100 fps per inch of barrel.
1ST Deer I ever shot with a rifle was with a wasr ak and cheap Russian hollowpoints,,,,killed him dead.....I'm really a shotgun hunter I lile to get close..
@@tomcatmcgillicutty6913 their not actually considered hollow points . They call em open points but they have that hole because the way their manufactured but it’s not expected to expand.
@jefferyboring4410 That may be true idk,,,but the exit hole was at least the size of my fist...
Just picked up a ruger american rancher in .300 blackout and love it great round and also my first bolt rifle. Also threaded barrel for my suppressor. Covers about every angle I could think of.
300 blackout is amazing versatility !!
Eric you made some very good points in favor of the 7.62 x 39 over the 300 blackout. I can afford to get much more range time cheaper with 7.62 x 39. I am going with cmmg resolute now just to trade off my 300 blackout stuff. I reload enough as it is.
Eric cannot let Chad talk. I'm not mad just find it funny .
Ian Voight chad sucks. He should not talk at all
Ian Voight which one is eric
I’m actually mad.
@@-TheRealScubasteve- because you're a cry baby
If wolf made 300 blk the world would adopt 300 blk so fast.
The World loves trash?
Would you eat Wolf food? Would you use Wolf gas in your car?
@@YTRulesFromNM What's wrong with Wolf? Nice good cheap ammo that gets the job done.
@@SwornHeresy hear hear
YTRulesFromNM Wolf isn't trash...
I hunt with 300blk. No problem killing pigs with super sonic, but when a sub load bounced off a boar;s skull and he ran at me, I am done hunting with sub loads!
What bullets did you use?
Agrippa 2K for subs, I got the best results with 208gr amax (most of the 220gr were keyholed) For supers I like the remington 110gr OTM (made by barnes in a remington box) or the barnes TacTx but those get expensive
Learned the same lesson a few yrs back. Best cartridge education I ever got... hahahah
yeah 500ft/lbs is a massive killer........ not. It's fuggin piss weak!
Wow... 45+P ha ha ha ! Bloody powerhouse ha ha ha! I'm sure everyone's favourite pig and deer killer is 45+P now after your recommendation. Gee that's about the same power as a 22 magnum......a well know big boar slayer for many years!? Or to put it another way, less than half that of a .223. Or even a 223 at 400 yards if you like. They all sound like pig slayers to me! I cull around 10,000 animals every year. And I've shot well over 1500 wild goats and numerous pigs with Subsonic rounds from 6.5 cal to 458 cal and I can tell you right now 30 cal subsonic even firing 230gr pills is piss weak. There is a far greater chance of wounding an animal with 30 sub than killing it outright. Will Terry I'm afraid it is you sir that is as you say... a fucking idiot......... and an inexperienced big mouth clown.
Last 4 years a lot has happened...make this Video again..Good stuff! Thanks for all the years of info!
Great discussion. I wanted to be able to shoot out of a 9 in barrel sub and super suppressed and was willing to make an upfront investment in reloading equipment. So that lead me to 300 blk. Otherwise, I would've went 556 since I wanted to stay with an ar-15 platform since it was my first rifle. I can see however the viability of the ak-47 round for other reasons.
Long live the venerable 7.62x39...!
When in doubt,........build both of them. ;)
Yup, 7.62x39 is awesome. I’m pretty sure 300 Blk is better in almost every way except overall capacity, but I like to shoot. I’ve got a decent amount of spare cash but 300 is just too pricey. I am at the point in life where 5.56 and 9mm cost is basically the same to me, (yes 9mm is definitely cheaper but fun for bang is 5.56) but not at the 300 Blk bank account yet.
There are many safe loadings from sub-sonic to high velocity. 7.62x39mm can’t do this. Both do work well in short barrels but 300 Blk can work in extremely short barrel. Still I see your point and for my money 7.62x39mm is my goto all day long. I don’t own a 20ga shotgun because I own 12ga shotguns and so there’s a possibility for accidents or oversights. I also shoot .40 S&W instead of 9mm and 9mm major in the same guns with spring changes for the same reason even though for competition I need four guns instead of two for my events. 300Blk can be loaded and shot in my 5.56’s once. Not worth it to me even though there are distinct advantages in this caliber.
@@john-paulsilke893 wait, yall ever seen subsonic 7.62x39 before? Lmao. Also look up ak Draco pistols. It's works easily out of a tiny barrel.
@@john-paulsilke893 I'm not following your reasoning on not owning a 20 gauge because you have a 12 gauge. How could you mix those 2 up?
Somebody talk about .22-250. One of my favorite varmint rounds. Naked streaker fast, Kristen Stewart chest flat trajectory.
You get decent barrel life with that round? I've heard and read that it's a real barrel burner.
CopeN Bacon You, my friend, are a poet. Well done, sir. 👍🏻
Most people don’t shoot near enough.22-250 to snake out a barrel. And if you do then a new barrel ain’t no big thing. Also Kirsten Stewart always looks like she smells someone else’s fart but isn’t quite sure if it’s hers.
She’s pretty though, and I’m sure she’s a wonderful person as well. I worked on a movie she did although I never met or even saw her, I shot second unit but everyone said she was quiet and polite.
300BO has the performance of 762x39 and the price of 308
But as discussed, it also does things neither of those can do. Good luck trying to run a 9" suppressed 7.62x39.
Bruce Tucker thanks, but I’m too poor to get an sbr, subsonic ammo, and a suppressor.
Price? Compare some brass cased Hornady SST ammo for 762x39, 308, and 300 BLK. Cheapest 300 BLK, most expensive 762x39. Compare any comparable brass cased 762x39. it is ALWAYS more expensive. When steel cased Wolf 300 BLK (not avail in US yet) or from Hornady is available perhaps that will finally end the price "point".
Agrippa 2K no, according to ammoseek the prices are pretty comparable until you get into the specialty stuff like exapnding bullets, subsonics, and frangible ammunition. This is not counting the 300bo reloads and the 762x39 surplus brass.
Until wolf or Sgammo order “cheap” 300bo, 762x39 will be more popular.
No............ Matvey.. Close but no cigar. 300 bo is weaker than advertised by a small margin which makes it Even weaker in comparison. Also Cost difference is huge. Your going heavy suppressed that ...? Sure 300 BO is worth it. 95% of us Do Not. Also with a good barrel. Faxon or PSA. The ak round is surprisingly accurate. OR out of bolt action.
Now that .300 blk has become significantly more available and the Russian supply issues I'd be interested in seeing you guys revisit this topic.
Still see 7.62x39 cheaper by like 10 dollars easily
@@jorgesolis9468 right. Even the american company's that have stepped up to supply the drying up Russian demand are far cheaper than 300 blk
@@beards-N-boonies yeah by like 5 dollars and 7.62x39 factory is hotter than 300 blackout factory loads usually too
@@jorgesolis9468 seriously? Thats news to me. Actually makes sense when I start to think about what 300 blk
@@beards-N-boonies usually now you can handload 300 blackout alot easier though and can start hitting 7.62x39 power standard 300 is a 125 gr at 2250 fps while 7.62x30 is like a 123 gr at 2350 fps from the same barrel so about 100 ft lbs more than 300 blackout for sometimes half the price
As with any tool, you simply pick the one that is right for the job. Love you guys, thanks for all you do.
This is a great discussion thank you for addressing hand loading and cycling and hunting and use at different distances. You covered everything well in this vid. I think people give Eric and Chad's relationship too much scrutiny. They get a long well and it's just how they interact. There are other videos in which they defend their dynamic. Chad speaks up when he needs to. You guys are a great team. in my opinion.
Are these guys not bothers??
For some, reloading for the 300, tweaking the components and loads is simply half the fun. It's all about what you intend to do with it. Personally, I own multiple flavours of both :P
I know I'm late to this but, your point is dead on for me. I shoot and reload for 5.56, 7.62x39 and 300 black. And of those three i have so much more fun tinkering around with the 300.
SHTF- you want weapons that use high availability ammo 9mm .45, 5.56, 7.62x39
Or have options.
I have bought alot of guns based on this ,if but ain't NATO it has to at least be very popular
Ar9, the huge chamber can take +p+ 1500 fps easy
Or you can do what I do and make 300 Blackout brass out of 556 Brass
or you can reload and not be a basic bitch
this one would be a good one to revisit with current ammo availability and new reloading components.
7.62x39, it’s more economical, practical, and readily available.
Untill times like now. 762 ammo is either out of stock are marked up 10%. Good time to own a 300 i must say
@@ko9856 300 blackout ain't no better.
BoogalooBoy1776 Price wise maybe but as for availability 300 is readily available at my local academy. Most dealers as well. Or maybe its bc im in the louisiana swamps lol
Throughout the SE 5.56, 7.62, and 223 are readily available 300 blk out not so much hard to find or price through the roof... 223 prices aren’t bad
@@ko9856 your panic buying is costing you more now. Shoulda stocked up on that 7.62 when it was available and cheap.
This is why I bought the 6.8 spc and the 300 blk and the 7.62 because I am so indecisive but I like my 6.8 spc the most
What mags do 6.8 take? Have been interested in this caliber but don’t know much
@@burtonkephart6239 6.8 sps share the same mag as the 224 val
Enjoyed the vid and commentary. I prefer the 300 BO because of supressor capability. I form my own cases from M193 brass. I have good luck with cast "boolits" and never intend to hunt much past 200 yards here in Florida. Accuracy is acceptable and standard deviation of velocity causes most of my rounds to be subsonic with occasional sonic crack with a temp, or humidity change. But everybody picks what they like and what works for em. Just enjoy the sport.
You guys could make multiple videos on long term reloading experimentation projects. Eric works on 7.62x39, Chad on 300blk. Then get together and shoot both calibers together, and compare notes. While you get started, I'll get the popcorn! Lol!
I have both and I like them both. Thanks Eric and Chad and thank you for your service 🇺🇸
I get to have my cake, eat my cake, and still have my cake. :) I have an RMCS-4(+1) it is modular and fires .300 blackout, 7.62x39, .556NATO/.223, 9mm and the (+1) .22 LR. It is the ultimate SHTF rifle system...like it love it, want more of it. Keep up the pristine 2A content!
Thought the advantage of 300 black is for SBR/braced pistol and supressed.
That, and compatibility with standard 5.56mm AR-15 components.
I have 300blk Suppressed 10.5-inch pistol. The ammo is right at $1.10 per round. I love it. Due to the cost, I don't go to the range with it much.
Yes. Because 300blk burns powder faster so you get full powder burn in short barrels. I could be wrong but I believe it was made specifically for special forces to have a round that they could go from near silent subsonic suppressed in tactical situations to supersonic when needed if the fight goes hot.
@Nick R my boss knows a navy seal that's said the opposite.
I think one of the biggest pro's for the .300 sub rounds is home defense. Even non suppressed they are quiet enough to be relatively discreet and minimize hearing damage when fired inside a home. The lack of a visual signature is also beneficial as I would assume most home invader situations would take place at night and having a big fireball coming out the end of the barrel in the dark is almost certain to temporarily disorient your vision , complicating engagement and also would alert an armed invader as to position. Use in a home also begs the consideration of over penetration. Almost any supersonic rifle cartridge be it 5.56/.223, 7.62X39, .300 blackout are perfectly capable of going through the bad guy, my wall, across the street and thought my neighbors wall with still lethal amounts of energy, a sub is going to hit the bad guy and stop, even if I do miss and even if it manages to get out of the house it isn't going anywhere with enough energy to do anything. Every bullet has a lawyer attached to it. My last point is that the shorter barrels and configurations on a lot of .300 guns, especially sub guns lend them to be a little more user friendly in the close quarters home situations, you aren't trying to fumble around in a high stress situation with a 3-1/2 foot long gun through hallways and doors. Just my 2 cents.
You're smoking crack if you think 300 subs are discreet. Much less when fired indoors. Go to an indoor range and test your theory. You'll find that subs are still breaking 160 db
This is the type of information i was looking for in comparing the two, LOVE IT. THANK YOU GUYS.
I have both in Palmeto kit parts. You hit the nail on the head. I reload 300 AAC and plink with 7.62x39mm due to off-the -shelf economy ammo. I convert .223/5.56 brass to 300 AAC. I’ve experienced poor quality is bulk economy 300 AAC ammo with having to disassemble over 1/2 off my last purchase and resize the cases to achieve reliable feeding. No problems with brand-name ammo but 1.5 times or more expensive than the bulk ammo. I’ve ordered 7.62x39 dies. Will report my 7.62x39 reloading experiences at a later date.
I believe the popularity of 300 blackout is close to the same as the reason for the popularity of 6.5 creedmoor. Both fit in their respective platform with pretty much only a change in barrel (ar15 and ar10) and do some things 5.56 and 308 don't do as well at in comparison (shoot suppressed and flatter shooting for longer distances)
7.62x39 has been around for 70 years, it will be here for another 70 years.
Captain Howdy and another 70 years as long as there is metal to be used as case and projectile 7.62 soviet will still be used.
@@jessesimmons9238 By cave dwelling terrorists.
And Americans also, I hope.
Lol 70 years In direct combat not many other rounds out there has a performance like that probably no other round ever will, 80 years on the battlefield is no joke.. pretty fuckin versatile ..300 standing next to 762 ,is quite literally an ant standing next to a giant In every sense of the word
If you think only cave dwelling terrorists run 762 you need to do a little more research bud
If ammo manufacturers chose to invest time and research into the 7.62x39, it could easily be tailored to match the 300blk. I blame the market rather than praise the 300blk.
if only we had a rifle chambered in 9x39 here in the US. Wolf already makes the ammo.
My local gunshop got 15 cases of 9x39 delivered by mistake and got stuck withit for about 10 years
But why? Where is the advantage of 9x39??? What does it do so much better than the ammunition that's already offered here?
Vince Dibona because as Val boi
What we need is a VSS chambered in .300 BLK....
Yea, the interchangeability of the ar's is the second reason I love them so much. Recently built one in a pistol configuration for 300 blk, and the only specific part i had to get was the barrel.
Just found this video. I am glad you give real advice instead of just playing around all the time. You earned my sub
You two share a great wealth of firearm knowledge, I'm very happy to be a subscriber to this channel
collab with Ian from Forgotten Weapons
Ian is on another level.
Make it with Karl Kasarda (sp.). Both Eric and Karl tend to dominate whatever conversation they're in -- the video with both of them would be hilarious with both talking rapidly at full volume trying to drown the other one out.
would love to hear both of you talk without talking over each other. :)
I use those 154 grain soft points for everything. They cost 25 cents per shot, where the cheapest of the cheap ak ammo is 20 cents per shot. So yeah a bit more expensive, but they are capable of 1-2 moa groups out of my ruger ranch. They are also boat tail projectiles. The extra weight plus the boat tail gives these some of the best ballistic coefficient out there for 7.62x39. By just 100 yards out its got every other 7.62x39 beat.
Facts !
I have both in AR15 style. I built a 762x39 upper because cheap ammo. If shtf you find you neighbor has 9mm, 223, 22, and 762. They won’t have 300b/o.
However, 300b/o is better for suppression. Especially if you are doing an SBR.
So I love them both for different reasons. If I had to pick 1 on and AR it would be 300 just due to reliability factors on AR platform specifically.
My 125gr loads with H110 are consistent at 2350fps out of a 16" barrel...
You guys talked me into building a 7.62x39 AR.
Thanks.
And they talked to me into buying a 300 blackout. Shows they are providing info so people can get what's best for them not just a dumb caliber war video.
and im buying an upper for each, that way my 556 can swap to 30cal, and so can my 6.5g
No thanks
AR in 762/39 is silly!! Not meant for it.
I still miss Barry but this is great stuff, one of my favorite channels. If you don't learn something from Chad you aren't paying close enough attention :)
Thanks guys. Super needed that video.
Thanks guys. I actually found the interruptions between you guys pretty funny. Just a couple of guys shooting the shit about guns and ammo, just feels real.
Just started a build for 300 Still excited I think I picked a great pistol round
Okay, I'm convinced. Next up a 7.62x39 upper.
So it's been a year... did you get your 7.62 upper yet? Good choice, 300blk is just a fad.
One reason i want to go with 300 aac over 39 is because living in a lead free hunting ammo state the avalible bullets for hand loading makes a big difference for me
30 carb projrctiles make loading cheap to!
Brendan's life you can use the exact same bullets in the x39 that you use in the blackout. The x39 can use either .308 diameter bullets or .310
Edit: And the x39 is nowhere near as finicky on powder/bullet choices as the 300BLK
jimhans1
Just because it can use .308 doesn't mean you should. Wasn't a fair amount of Russian "accuracy" issues due to people using .308 bullets versus the proper .310/.311 pills?
Nothing wrong with x39, I love mine and wouldn't trade it for the world. Cheap ammo by the boat load, but my .300 fills a niche I like as well. Can shoot suppressed without the issue of suppressing an AK, or the reliability issues of x39 ARs. Can switch between supers and subs without issue, and I've experienced no issues with powder and I run H110, a powder most have issues with.
BW83 M I run nothing but .308 in my x39 guns, including the ones with .310 bores, and have never had accuracy issues at all, in fact, quite the opposite, I've found the .308 to shoot some of the best groups from them. And, in my AR platform guns in x39, I also have the ability to run both supers and subs either with or without cans with zero issues in feeding or function, ever. I've not found a niche where the 300BLK does anything I can't do with the x39 either in bolt or semi, so I sold them to buy more reloading components for other rounds that serve more purpose.
I use x39 (.310) bullets in my 300 BLK no problem. It's hardly finicky.
Chad cracks me up. Reminds me of a old friend who has passed. Same facial expressions .. i can tell he is of good people
Watching these two go back and forth, I feel like the bartender at the local watering hole. ;)
You two crack me up. Love you, brothers. Thank you!
It's an apples to oranges comparison.
7.62X39 is an all around great round. Everything it does WELL, it does better than the .300 Blackout. Which is most everything.
However, the .300 Blackout is far superior for SBRs, pistol calibers, and subsonic/suppressed uses. Or if you have an AR-15 lower and want a quick, easy, cheap conversion to a .300 caliber round. Other than that, there's no reason to get one over the 7.62X39 IMHO.
How is .300 Blackout better for SBR/suppressed use? Dedicated subsonic 7.62x39 has the exact same performance.
French special forces actually switches to 7.62x39 for suppressed use a few months ago.
The .300 bullet is 10% heavier (200 grain for the 7.62 and 220 for the .300), the case size advantage that the 7.62 has is negated by the subsonic speed limit, there is .300 Blackout subsonic ammo at most gun shops, and the availability of .300 Blackout components for SBRs and pistols is much, much higher than for 7.62. Mostly because anyone can go to a gun show and buy a .300 Blackout upper for under $350 (or from Palmetto State for around $300) and slap it on an AR lower. Add a suppressor and you're set up with a damn fine home defense weapon that won't blow your ears out if you have to fire it indoors. Can't say that about 7.62 X 39.
Maybe the French just wanted to utilize their on-hand AK mags? Or they were just being French and didn't want no damn inch caliber guns! LOL
Nah, the latest 7.62x39 subsonic for the AK-15 and 6P68 are well above 220gr.
Here in Europe AR-15 are rather expensive with low parts availability, while Russian firearms are not banned. That makes 7.62 just the more reasonable choice.
Good points! Thanks for the perspective, that makes a lot of sense. My home defense gun is a .300 Blackout suppressed AR-15 pistol, so I'm kinda biased towards that. Around here ARs are a dime a dozen. I've had AR parties where we get together in my shop and work on ARs and have a couple beers. I've not worked on any AKs yet, so that adds to my bias. I'll have to get one next.
Exactly, what it does well: Giant Fireball, check. More Recoil, check. 2-3 MOA, check. Cheap Steel cased ammo (if you are into that sort of thing), check (unless 300 BLK WOLF hits US). Limited bullet options (15 vs 300), check. 762x39 is a Zombie cartridge. A little more alive than a Mosin Nagant. No development at all. Oh wait I see what you are really trying to say: "An AK is better than an AR".
Wasn't happy on how much they were interrupting each other it seams like they were almost mad
Glad to see you guys still have this video on 300 Cosby
Stop interrupting ahhhhhh love you guys
This is the second time I've watched this video. These guys thoroughly covered this subject! I own rifles of both calibers and found their analysis spot on. Thanks guys. Enjoyed your presentation very much.
300 aac is specifically meant for subsonic use...... yup
This video is almost unwatchable with how much Eric keeps interrupting Chad. So damn frustrating. Is he always like this?
Stephen Selph yes as of lately though not so much I think our comments finally got through to him lol
Almost every time
Don't be a baby
The 300BO offers two things while doing so from a compact AR-15 or similar (Rattler) package using standard AR mags.
Ballistics of a flatter shooting 45 ACP with a subsonic 220gr bullet.
Better performance than the AK in short barrels without the HUGE fire balls.
Many Thanks for comparing this rounds. And i love your channel and explanations very much. Greetings from Germany. 😊
Like you guys said, they both have their merits. If you want a good utilitarian cartridge 7.62x39 is great, if you want a shorter barrel that has the ability to run subs/supers back and forth and be suppressed well, .300BLK is for you. I think an 8" .300BLK AR pistol would be a wicked little truck gun personally. 7.62x39 would be the better "Go to War" cartridge though of course.
7.62x39 every day. In my eyes its better cartridge than 5.56 nato . But then again, i got my training with Sako Rk62 and 7,62 KvKK 62 back in the day , so could be that its just what im used to. Would love to test 7.62x51 / nato round . I think it would have best sides from both rounds , 5.56 and 7.62x39 .
I just do not see need for 300bo for anything.
7.62x39mm wins out in cost, performance, recoil, availability, proven history, lots of rifle choices. 300BKO is nice and all but it seems to be a secondary caliber. All opposite of the 7.62x39 except for recoil and similar performance. I agree 100% that the 7.62x39 with all aspects considered is a great hunting round for medium game animals under 300 yards. Great youth round as well.
Nahh who needs funky arched mags especially with AR platform is a joke!! 300 blackout has better ballistics too and recoil same mags , bolt etc etc
I chose the 7.62x39 for my suppressed rifle because of the price. Managed to acquire 1500 rounds of subsonic ammo before the panic. Hard to go wrong with the most common small arms cartridge on the planet.
Thanks guys. I wondered about this topic as well. 7.62x39 is my favorite tool for killing steel rims
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Chad just agreed with Eric and Eric didn't even notice. That's ouch bro!
That's because Eric talk talk talk and don't listen to chad
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Watching this and my wife says "are they brothers?" And I thought "wow, they do look a lot alike. Especially with the glasses/hats/beards." Lol.
300 and 8.6 are the advancement of ballistics. They're amazing for short barrel platforms. 4 years after this video was made, and 300AAC has gotten more and more popular thanks to the AR viability and the short barrels that it uses.
7.62x39 isn't going away, it's a staple and anyone that runs the AK platform will always have plenty of em, but ballistics technology is advancing and the blackout cartridges making use of fast powders and short cartridges are amazing, though they are really for more of a bipod mammal than a large game hunting round. .308 and .338 are all we really need for taking large game, but it's fun to play around. Precision long range shooting is using 6mm and 6.5cr, so it's all advancing. When I was a kid 30-30, 30-06 and 7.62x51 was more common and now we have the blackout cartridges making big changes, especially that 8.6 with a 1:3 rotation. They blow stuff up.
I shot a 8 point white tail deer with a 300 blackout pistol at 300 yards with a 208 grain subsonic two years ago with a 10 1/2 inch barrel suppressed . The white tail dropped in its tracks did not walk a foot . I have shot 5 white tail deer so far with 300 blackout pistols and rifles . I have also shot several deer with 7.62x39 MM and I Absolutely LOVE the Caliber and own several firearms in the Caliber .
Chad you need to introduce a talking stick.
Or become a wizard and cast a cone of silence on him.
.300 BLKout came into popularity by the Spec Ops community in the middle east, needing a harder hitting close range round, subsonic and canned, The makers of the round then marketed it and made it MORE popular.
Bring back the seashell.
Chad will get his due.
Excellent video. Thanks for doing the heavy lifting on my research.
We need this video again, except where Eric doesn't interrupt Chad.