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- Supersonic loads, subsonic loads, big bullets, and high-level performance when things are up close and personal - the .300 Blackout is an excellent cartridge for the AR Platform, as well as bolt rifles. This cute cartridge serves a variety of roles pretty darn well. Compare it to the 30-30 Win. for hunting and you may take a hard look. Listen in to hear the Vortex Nation Podcast team chat all about it.
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This was my project at AAC and Remington, and I will add to this conversation about why we created 300 BLK when 300 Whisper(R) already existed. The first was that 300 Whisper was not a SAAMI cartridge, and without it being in SAAMI, Remington and other large ammo companies would not load for it. Second, the military wanted to be able to switch from subsonic to supersonic and not have to adjust the gas block. I worked with Remington to create subsonic loads that purposely made more gas so that they would cycle the action that was set up for supersonic. 300 Whisper, at least how it was commonly loaded with fast powders, would not do this. Third, we created custom bullets that were 110-115 grain but with a very large ogive so that they would be magazine-length. This prevented them from shifting forward in the magazine if bumped. The long ogive was designed to have the same diameter at the rib of the magazine that normally rested on the case neck as the neck of a 5.56mm case. This kept the rounds from canting inwards, which allowed you to load a full 30 rounds without hanging up in the magazine. Not every ammo company understood any or all of this, and even today, many or most don't. I had permission from Remington to not keep it a trade secret because we wanted the cartridge to succeed, and so were open to helping other ammo companies. We worked with Hornady, Barnes, and some others. Also, 300 BLK is the first cartridge that was used by the military with expanding projectiles. As for the name, the official name is 300 AAC Blackout, and the short name is 300 BLK. There are no other names. Also, 300 doesn't begin with a "."
300 BLK has more energy from a 9 inch barrel than 5.56mm from a 16 inch barrel, making the supersonic particularly good for SBRs or PDWs. I am using a 6.5" barrel myself, and the military uses 5.5, 6.75, and 7.75, but started with our 9 inch barrels for the first combat use.
The problem with 7.62x39 is that it doesn't really work in an AR. I tried it for a while, and broke three bolts due to the larger boltface. If you load an AR-style magazine, it jams up if you put in more than about 10 rounds. Also, the case is too large for efficient subsonic use.
Crazy comment, thanks for all the info and putting the work in on this cartridge, just starting to dip my toe into it with the intention hog hunting
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standard bullet so you can purchase them . It's Sammy specs. I started making my own cartridges.
So at the muzzle 300bo has more energy but down range at combat ranges 5.56 is much better. It's going faster so if using fmj projectiles it's more lethal
To pop my curiosity bubble, could you tell us about it’s in theater use effectiveness?
There isn’t much out anecdotal stories about its use when compared to its sibling 5.56 or it’s rival 7.62x39
I absolutely love these cartridge talks.
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@@VortexNation it's a wildcat with limited companies producing ammo, but 277 Wolverine is really interesting and has a LOT of good qualities. I think if it had showed up a few years earlier, it could have become the standard for the AR platform.
@@VortexNation in terms of defense rounds in 300BLK what about frangible over subsonic?
@@robinsok I just recently heard about 277 wolverine. It's basically a .270 caliber 300 AAC. Not having much interest a subsonic rifle, the wolverine appeals to me quite a lot more than 300 AAC does.
@@mikestennett6495 I've had one for a couple years. Loadings with the 90 grain gold dot are pretty dang impressive for hunting and defense purposes. It's a very good cartridge. The only real drawback is the lack of commercially produced ammo.
There may be more efficient ways to burn money but 300 blackout is a damn fun way to do it.
I always have fun letting go friends try 300 black out suppressed with super and sub. It blows their mind every time that hitting the target is louder then the shot. Those subsonic are expensive though lol
You're not wrong 😂
@@johnburke5087 I just got my first 300 blk pistol 10.5 inch barrel. I plan on using subs with my dead air wolfman I've been waiting on for 7 months (along with 9mm subs). I'm going to use supersonics for deer hunting. Maybe do a little target shooting with both. With the cost of 300blk rounds, nobody is shooting it but me 😂. I'll let good friends shoot a few of my 9mm bullets on occasion and I love mag dumping 9mm, 7.62x39, and 5.56 but I don't plan on dumping hundreds of rounds at a time with 300blk. Just gonna be a fun gun to shoot a few rounds then switch to a cheaper round for the rest of the range session. I've already got a bunch of 300 supers and subs tho so I'm excited to try it out soon!
shit at 51c a round it aint much different than 193 at this point
Pay extra for the rifle and ammo chambered in .308. Everything else is just plinking. If it can't humanely dispatch a deer at 200 yds. It's just plinking. I've SEEN the results of a lowily PCC Hi-Point in 45acp take down wild hogs. It's cheap and ugly and looks Korean War instead of Terminator.
Effectiveness, multi-purpose vs "Kewl Lookin" for "Gamer Bois".....308 the MINIMUM for everything. Wish there was actually one chambered 30-06...YEAH, it takes a MAN to carry it. NOT a bunch of Poly-Tech Freshmen thinking about ROTC.
I learned of the 300 blkout on a deployment to Afghanistan in 2010 and without saying a lot a buddy of mine from a certain team started using it. Since then I am heavily invested into the 300 blkout. I have my 300blk 8.5" AR PDW/Truck gun, a 11.5" upper receiver for hunting, & my Encore Pro Hunter 6" pistol barrel with a 1-5 twist. And I use my suppressor on all three firearms. It's got to be my favorite caliber to have fun with. Plus my buddies daughter likes to hunt with it my 11.5" AR set up.
Thank you for your service!
1:5 - fast twist for the win with subs
@@j.p.morris9862 works just fine in my setup's.
Amen to that I love all the different ballistic tips you can get for 300blk out. I'm running 150grain ballistic tipped deer hunter round from winchester and also 110grain hornady gmx custom the are thumpers too. I had no issue shooting out to 500m with my heavy cold forged 16inch barrel with 1.8 twist and it's my favourite rifles aswell it's effective to 400to 500m then the drop really starts to kick in running a vortex 1-6x24 strike eagle on 6 power and a 45* canted sig romeo redot as second and cqc hasn't skipped a beat thinks its had 4 malfunction jams and 2 of those were dud bullets that didn't ignite if you get a 300 black out in a tactical platform like myself I suggest you get a 16 inch heavy cold forged barrel takes ages to heat up and cools really quickly. Pull ballisticly speaking the peak ballistics from a 300blk out round is 16 inch. You could get away with a 14 plus a 2 inch suppressor but fella 16 is where you wanna be at
The true beauty of the 300 aac is the amount of variety / creativity a reloader can have with it. Using the right powders with the right bullets, I can run 110g , 120, 125, 150, and 200g bullets all on the same build with no issues or adjustment. So many 30 cal projectile options
On a whim, I took my 300 BLK with me on a prairie dog shoot.While letting my other guns cool off. I picked up my BLK pistol. I killed many pdogs out to 200yrds!! Using 19.2gr H110 pushing 110gr vmax. Verified range with laser rangefinder. It sits in bedroom corner with 110gr tsx pushed with same charge of H110. It's pretty awesome
A few years ago, I got to shoot a suppressed full auto AR in 300.
It's rapidly becoming my favorite cartridge.
The 300BLK subsonic loadings may burn all their powder charge in 9", but supersonic loadings have been proven to still gain velocity and therefore energy in 16-20" barrels. This fact disproves the often repeated statement that 300BLK burns all it's powder in a 9" barrel. Reference Mrgunsngear 300BLK videos.
his video is awesome! I went with a a 7.5" after analyzing the velocities he posted. you really dont loose much with .300 blk until you get down to like 6-5"
Yeah with supers a 16” Vs a 7.5” barrel gets like 150fps more at best…. Well worth the extra barrel length …
Sounds great.
Depends what powder is used a slower burning powder is going to cause a fire ball. Faster not so. I don't patronize factory garbage
@South my 16" upper is up to 400 fps faster than my 10.5" upper running various 110gr to 125gr supersonic loads.
Ryan, Jim, and Mark, now that you have touched on the idea, how about a 10 minute talk on subsonic hunting with commercially available loads and the comparison of those cartridges.
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KJV1611AV Any practical experience with that round? Lehigh Max Expansion at 90 yards on a few white tail has been very effective for me this year
Please, I know the superX works well on small deer at pistol/bow ranges.
I was really looking for wide spread cartridge comparison, 300, 308, 45acp, 45 lc, 45-70, 500sw, 500 whisper, 20 and 12 gauge and of course any other available subs. Something that gathers as many as possible maybe even with a published table.
AAC Developed it at the request of Special operations to replace the 9mm (MP5) for CQC .
Now that we’ve covered the baby blackout, which with a 1:5 barrel that transfers rotational energy into expansion, you should look into covering Q’s new project, the 8.6 Blackout!! Same concept of fast twist and retained energy in a super fast twist 1:3 barrel!! SCIENCE!
I haven't even watched this yet, but as soon as I saw this in my feed my reaction was "YEEEESSSS!!!"
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Take a look at Maker Rex bullets. They do some amazing things in critters at sub sonic speeds.
300blk is a fantastic cartridge for hand loading. The selection of bullets in 30cal are second to none. The powder charges are small so a little goes a long way.
One of the most unique aspects of the cartridge is the ability to shoot semi auto subs and supers back to back, no changes needed in a properly speced AR. There aren't a lot of center fire cartridges that you can do that with.
Would love you guys to do a 10min talk on the 338 Federal! It’s a secretly effective and versatile round!
I personally would like to see a resurgence in the 338 Federal. For the most part I prefer 3 calibers: 264, 308, 338, in no particular order. I have very little interest in 243, 25, 27 or 28.
Its a dead round. You'll have to wait for the .338 Creedmoor.
I will second that. It's my go to for deer.
@@markwyatt131 quickly rising up my ranks as well! Mild recoil, with more that enough energy and speed to reach out to 300yds without much effort
I want to see more development in the 6mm and 7mm AR15 Rounds. To solve bolt issues and feeding issues maybe use a necked down or trimmed down 6.8 SPC which would allow for good feeding. Imagine a hihh bc 95gr 6mm SPC going 2800 fps out of a 16in AR15. Would be an improvement over 5.56 in every aspect. The issue with 5.56 became glaringly obvious in Afghanistan when trying to engage between 300 and 600 yards.
Excellent discussion on the 300 BLK!!! Thank you for posting this.
There seems to be far more 300 BLK naysayers than proponents, but I love my 300 BLK carbine and pistol.
I might have missed the words in the video so forgive me if you said this, but this cartridge gets its high performance in a small package because it uses pistol powder, not rifle powder. It’s an ingenious design!
I handload and I use 110 gr Nosler Varmageddon bullets: 2415 fps in my carbine; 2200 fps in my pistol. As long as I hunt within the bullet’s kinetic envelope (which you must do for ANY bullet), the 300 BLK is a solid performer. That many dead feral hogs can’t be wrong. Lightweight, accurate, and reliable.
Glad to have you guys back for cartridge reviews again... Please more!! 🤗
Ask and you shall receive ;)
I know you made this video over a year ago, but I can't believe that none of the three of you have a 300 BLK gun. I am a super fan of 300 BLK. I didn't get into AR platform guns until I was 62, but my very first was an [original] Sig MCX, 300 BLK with a 16" barrel. I currently have four 300 BLK guns, from 10.3 AR style to a 16" bolk gun in an MDT precision chassis, and I just bought another one that I can't wait to get, a Sig Spear LT in 300 BLK 9" pistol. To say that 300 BLK is my favorite cartridge is an understatement. In my not so humble opinion, I believe it is a far superior cartridge to the 5.56. The 5.56 will be around forever just because it is prolific throughout the world and it has such a storied history, but I personally don't own a 5.56 and can't think of any reason to own one, other than shire availability and cost of ammunition. I can afford 300 BLK and keep plenty on hand. The 300 BLK will never take the place of 5.56, that will be the job of 6mm ARC, but that is a story for a different day.
On a different issue, I 100% concur with Ryan. I would not take, or recommend, anyone trying to take down a whitetail deer with 300 BLK subsonics at anything over 50 yds. I have shot a lot and I have chronographed a lot of 300 BLK. A 220 gr 300 BLK drops like a stone after 50 yds. Personally, I see 300 BLK as having about the same distance and terminal effect on a white tail as a high end crossbow.
Thanks for making the video, it was an interesting discussion.
If you do the 6.8 SPC podcast, please compare it to 6mm ARC and 6.5 Grendel. I feel these are the 3 medium bore premium cartridges a person has to choose from in a gas gun.
Second! Looking to do an upper in 1 of these learning towards Grendel. But Arc is flatter to 1000 but harder to get components and less options for uppers.
6.8 SPC was designed to be used in a short barrel for carbines. It cannot be compared to cartridges designed for long range targets like grendel or arc.
@@MinecraftMasterNo1 Agreed, but depending on the intended use of the rifle - if you're likely staying inside 200 yards with no intention of suppressing, the 6.8 is superb!
6 ARC smokes both SPC and grendel. I have shot the grendel for years but its a 6 mm bullet running similar BC bullets to heavier 6.5.........velocity wins and it has a greater range. 109 or 115 6mm trumps a 130gr AR hybrid.
@@nvlaser9084 Grendel has been here almost 2 decades and still growing strong. Only time will tell whether arc is a success or just another bust like 224 valkyrie or nosler.
better on paper and controlled tests don't translate to real world success.
300 blackout is my favorite caliber. The best lethal cartridge suppressed and out of short barrels.
Dropped my first deer this year in her tracks at 167 yards with a Q mini fix 300 blk, nomad ti, trijicon accupoint 3-9, black hills 110 gr ttsx. I did miss a buck at what i estimate to be 200-250 yards earlier that day. I didn’t realize he was quite that far and think the bullet went under him is the best i can come up with. I wanted to use the hornady subsonic 190 gr but I could not get it to group well at all, bullet drop is significant after 80-100 yards and I was told it sometimes doesn’t even expand or that well.
Right on - congrats!!
The best for subsonics are by far the discret ballistics or lehigh maximun expansion, check those two.
Or the Maker bullets subsonic, it seems to perform better than the Lehigh, but it's not easy to find it in loaded ammo.
Black Hills is my favorite round.. I don’t even mess with subs.
10 minute (cartridge) talks are by far my favorite. Plus, y’all don’t act like a gun store/UA-cam expert. You know the guy that suffers from a severe case of the Dunning-Kruger effect.
Muh stopping power.
300 blk is my favorite cartridge. So many options! brass is easy to come by. Every time I go to the range there are hundreds of 223/5.56 brass ready to be converted.
A buddy bought a Ruger AR pistol in 5.56 and it is almost painfully loud to shoot. I bought the 300 BLK and absolutely love it. I also have a Remington 700 in 300 BLK and with my Sig can on it, it is nice and quiet. AR rifle is 5.56 for me and 300 BLK in AR pistol.
How loud would you say the 300 blk out is in the bolt action form is it loud like a 270 or 308?
It doesn’t seem like the 300 BLK doesn’t have the same sharp crack of a sound like the 270 or 308 to me, even with supersonic ammo. Suppressed, with subsonic ammo, it’s almost air gun quiet.
It's great hearing someone discuss the origins of the round with JD Jones and the 300 whisper. JD was way ahead of his time introducing the round in the mid 80's. My first experience with the round in the 90's with a friends contender pistol with a 9" barrel and 100 yd groups were well under 1/2".
I was shooting the wiser in a 16 inch bolt gun back in early 80s and loved it. I built a ar style 300 with a 16 inch barrel and have no.problems hunting with the Hornady 115 grain ftx talk about fast .5 groups at 100 yards no problem
So glad this is back it’s one of my favorite podcast series you do!!
I just got done building a 300blk and freaking love the gun. Reloading it gets cost to sub $0.50cpr
That was great! This round is a "love-hate" for many. I'm glad you guys looked at it for what it is. A great little round with some good performance.
Honesty I’m a convert, I made fun of it years ago but when I got into reloading it changed everything. It’s now one of my favorites hands down
It's okay, I was an early adopter and I made fun of the guys that made fun of 300 blackout back in the early 2010's when everyone wanted a Mk18 or clone.
@@apersonontheinternet8006 funny how taste and perception change over time. My biggest one lately is drooling over an a2 or a4 build, literally believed they were the ugliest rifles!
@@emoryzakin2576 I have a wood grain A2 that belonged to one of the nations top competitive shooters until he passed away last year. The A4 always gave me a little half mast salute but that was my it was generations fighting rifle.
I'm probably just a contrarian or something but these trends just kill me. People see my 7.5" 5.56 pistol until they quickly realize it is perfectly proportional for my 9 year old son and my wife prefers it over her carbine any day.
Finally watched this video. Always Great Information, now ,past, future.
Glad this series is back!
Discrete ballistics is a great starting point for expanding subsonics, both q and sig have moved to 1:5 twist barrel for several good reasons. 300blk has been in military service for awhile now and is even trickling down to lower tier units in limited numbers. Anyone wanting an in depth .300blk talk should go check out the live q or die podcast
Do you recall which episode?
@@potatosenpai8751 i can't find it either lol
I’ve been listening to y’all pod cast and just finished up the ww2 rifles show and tell and it’s finally nice to put names to the faces. Love yalls material. Keep it up
I like all calibers as long as it goes bang it puts a smile on my face
I’m really liking these common sense debates and explanations of where
things come from. Thanks guy’s!!!
I built a cheap 8.5in 300blk pistol and absolutely love it. Sweet all around gun; excellent power with 125grs , great accuracy within 200yds
There is something very interesting about putting intermediate cartridges to work either maxing out it's effectiveness with either distance or large game hunting. I am a huge gun person and have never had the opportunity to shoot the 300 Black out. I remember when the ruger mini series semi auto rifles came out in 300blk and it was all the rage. Never heard anything bad about it and people swoon over it for hog hunting.
That's basically what I'm doing. I put an LPVO on my 300blk. I want to test the abilities of a gun I can fit in a freaking backpack. I'm gonna try supers at 300+yds and subs out to 200 because I feel like it.
@@musicman1eanda I'd bring it in 100 yards subs at 100 max, and supers at 200, you want to keep the effective killing power within range. No doubt you'll hit, but you won't kill.
Great vid as always, keep 'em coming!
Still waiting on that .222 Remington #10MinuteTalk!! It spawned all those cartridges from 17 Rem; 223 / 5.56; 300 Blk and even the German 5,6x50 and 5,6x50R you guys have never heard of.
300 Blackout: To know it is to love it.
Love these cartridge talks! Btw, GREAT shirt Jim!
Love the content! Sawyer love to hear back from you brother! This is industry changing stuff you guys do!
Love all of the reviews! Keep them coming! Also 300 HAM'R for Super Only, Smokes the BLK.
Great caliber choice
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Great round, little recoil, pretty quiet and puts 'big holes' in whatever you hit. Great short range 'offensive' tool. Very good point towards the middle of the video regarding the gas system, that is a big deal.
I have to be honest, these are awesome segments.
I’m a 6.5 grendel and 300 blackout guy (both suppressed subs and supers per application). Both seem to be fringe cartridges now. It’s good to see and hear these discussions.
It has nothing to do with dual Vortex logo decals on both my left and right, rear door windows of my truck.
We appreciate you tuning in, my friend! If there is ever a topic your interested in hearing about definitely let us know!
. 300 BlackOut .... magical cartridge!
I have a few 300 blackouts and many other guns. I tend to use my 9 inch 300 blackout more than the rest. It is very handy for pest control on the farm and just a lot of fun.
Bro that Follin McRae Subaru 555 Shirt is Awesome 👌 I'm definitely trying this cartridge out
I shoot mine much like you would a 30-30. I have not shot a deer with subs but have shot a couple with 110 Noslers. Great round and it is also pretty mean on a hog! Being in the south it's not like I ever get many shots past 150 in the thick woods anyways.
I've been shooting for years but this recent deer season was my first year hunting. I shot my first deer ever in November, a 90 pound doe with a 150 grain .308 vmax at 30-40 yards and it did massive damage to the shoulder. I had a 6 point in my scope last week at 25 yards but it ran when I clicked the safety off, lesson learned. Considering that the few deer that I saw from my tree stand were 100 yards or closer and 200 yards being the max (I'm also in the dense southern woods) Im going to use 300blk next season to do less damage but still have enough power. I brought my 5.56 out a couple times and missed a couple does at 100 since the zero was off the red dot, also went out with my AK one day and 12 gauge slugs a bunch in the early season. I think the 300blk will be the perfect round with my dead air wolfman suppressor though
I have just discovered this channel. This is awesome!
Love the honesty!
That dude is a guru of cartridges. You all never disappoint me. Thanks alot
he is truly a wizard
THANK YOU, FOR DISCUSSING THIS CARTRIDGE! I HOPE THAT THEY SOON DEVELOP A .400 BLK, OR, .500 BLK!!!...
Love these!!!
Excellent discussion.
I use the Hornady 150 Grain SST bullets. While loading my own cartridges. I have taken several deer and love this cartridge/gun.
Need a ten minute talk on the 6.8 spc. I have two and hunt west Texas with them every year.
Very informative, thanks. answerer some questions with regard to .300 cal for me. I have a Wyndham Weaponry AR in 7.62x39, pretty happy with it, but I’m about start a build and I WAS set on caliber, but you’ve given me some new things to consider first.
Favorite AR platform cartridge.
They are just fun.
I have both the AAC Handi Rifle and the CVA Scout TD in 300 Blackout. Super short guns at around 29-30 inches. They both have compact/youth stock on it as well, though the Handi is even shorter. Both have rails though the CVA is a Weaver rail. I have compact red dots mounted at the forward end of the rails. This allows the rifle to be carried at its balance point.
These two both make great close range stalking rifles for deer hunting. The Barnes 110 grain VorTX load is deadly on deer, and always passes through. I absolutely love that layout.
Thank You for acknowledging J.D. Jones and the Whisper. I was shooting Silhouettes at the time. We were shooting it before I ever heard of the Black Out. However, outside of the Silhouette range, I’m having a tough time nailing the Black Out down to a specific role. I shoot it suppressed but it is also useful with the lighter bullets going faster. It’s almost like I need two scopes on the rifle, zeroed for the different loadings. Oh yeah! Earned a new sub.
Absolutely spot on! I own a few with barrels from 8”-16” in bolt and AR platforms and absolutely love playing around with this on the loading bench! A suppressor is next on the buy list and hope to get it done early next year. I also own AK platforms and wouldn’t give them up for anything. That being said people should just buy what they like, using good information based on what they are looking to achieve.
Been deer hunting with the 300blk for 7 seasons now. It’s perfect for my hunting situation.
What kind of ammo are you using to deer hunt with
@@larryhobbs8769 handloads 125gr sst over 20.5gr of lilgun powder.
Yes, I have taken several deer with my 300 blkout. Hand loads Nosler 125gr ballistic tip. my biggest deer was 214lbs. I hunt in the woods so my shots are all under 100 yards.
.327 Federal magnum someday please. Love these 10 minute-ish talks.
I absolutely love my 300 blackout and have killed many deer with it. Awesome gun to hunt with.
What kind of ammo are you using for deer hunting? Bought a 300 aac whisperer. Using sig sauer 220 gr subsonic ammo. Haven’t shot a deer yet
@@larryhobbs8769 208/220gr Hornady Black. She might not have the power of the big calibers but alil shot placement and it will do the job. My longest shot was roughly 120yds with no issues.
Thanks I’m using the sig sauer 220 gr. Hope it works well
@@larryhobbs8769 👍 Good Luck
11 Barnes tsx. Are imo are by far the best bullets for this caliber
Can y'all please do a 10 minute talk on the 257 Weatherby Mag. I absolutely love the 10 M.T. 's , y'all keep up the good work thanks guys.
I have taken a few deer with a TC Encore 16 inch suppressed 300 using hand loaded 125 Nosler BTs. Great little platform for crowded spaces like small blinds.
This was fantastic
Its a neat little cartridge that is close enough terminally to several other calibers in dia and energy. It shares a bolt face and mag length with a popular cartridge and uses common slow pistol powders. Its good enough at everything that it's boring and a barrel swap away.
300 BLK - versatile cartridge with a lot of neat applications. Like the man said, you can have a short barrel and get similar performance from it as if you were shooting a 16+. The ability to shoot different grain weights and suppress it near silent is pretty, dare I say "rad"? I am still trying to dial in my 220 grains at 100 yards. And discreet ballistics makes a fun subsonic cartridge.
.17 K Hornet, 7.82 Lazzeroni Warbird, and .225 Winchester would be some awesome cartridge talks! Ask Ryan about the .225 Winchester though ;)
Awesome video guys. It's not about the 7mm Rem Mag, but It'll do for now 😉.
A close friend of mine has used the 300 BLK in combat in Eastern Africa. He said that bad guys don’t get up after getting hit with the 300blk, unlike getting hit with 5:56.
👏👏👏 excellent video
Thanks, Vince!
I have three 300 BLK rifles. A 10" AR, a 7" PDW AR and an integrally suppressed Rem 700 bolt gun. Each is fun in its own right.
I just got my first 300blk pistol. I went with a 10.5 inch barrel because I want to have a little more velocity with supers for hunting but also not have too long of a rifle with the dead air wolfman. Can't wait to test out subsonic rounds too and compare it to my UDP-9 suppressed
Do a 10 minute talk on the 300 Savage.
This.
Loved this talk. At this point though I might get my backordered Razor gen III before you do a 6 ARC talk...
Stay tuned!
I'm not sure if you guys are tip-toeing around the subject, because you have to, but the 300 Whisper and 300 Blackout were both designed for one very specific purpose. The dead give-away as to what that purpose is can be found in the very fast twist rate of the rifling used in the barrels for each cartridge. They are designed, from the drawing board to the battle field, to deliver a heavy projectile at considerable distance, without making enough noise to attract unwanted attention. They are implicitly NOT designed for hunting and, as such, are a relatively poor choice for hunting. If you wanted a hunting cartridge, you would stick with a slower-twist barrel which would allow for higher muzzle-velocity of much lighter-for-caliber bullets.
Also, if you compare the absolute best 300 Blackout super-sonic loads (the latest "science") to the latest LVR/FTX (LeverEvolution) loads in 30-30 Winchester, what you find is the much older cartridge is still a far better choice, if hunting deer-sized game is your objective. The 300 Whisper/BO is meant to "terminate targets" while not giving away your location. Pressing it into service as a hunting cartridge is ill-considered, given the number of other rounds that are far better suited for such.
100% spot on.
I disagree on one point. If a caliber isn't good for killing deer at usual deer killing distances, then it isn't good for killing people. Said another way, 300B supers can kill deer at distances that would be near impossible to justify killing a man in a self defense situation that a civilian would find themselve in. 300B wasn't meant for civilians.
Agreed, the 300B was designed for war fighters. I'm referencing the Low Visibility project. It was meant to supplant the 9mm/MP5 (harder hitting 30 cal bullet) and 5.56/M4 (220gr suppressable) for CQB work while still being able to fight in the streets of an urban environment. An MP5 outside of a building is essentially bringing a pistol to a rifle fight.
7.62x39 is a rifle round, with limited bullet selection, that uses rifle power (needs a longer burn) through a 16 inch barrel. 300B is a rifle round with extensive bullet 308 selection, that uses pistol powder (shorter burn), designed to be fired from barrels as short as 5 inches to as long as 16 and still be lethal for close quarters and urban warfare.
I spend 20yrs as an NSW armorer and wish 300B was available to use back in the day. We had a few MP5SDs that mostly sat on the shelf with few replacement parts or mags because the contract with HK had an expiration date. The MP5s when deployed, 1 or 2 per platoon, were just used for killing stray dogs that might cause issues for guys on foot. This means 1-2 guys had to carry extra gear with limited application. 300B solves that issue. Depending on the mission, the loadout can be all supers, all subs, or a mix.
In the hands of a non door kicking civilian without a budget and armory to supply expensive ammo and suppressors, 300B is a pain in the arse to justify investing in the caliber.
I bought a 300 blackout and love it more than I thought it would. I have an AKM clone and it seems that recoil is significantly greater. Granted we are talking about a piston gun vs DI, but the AKM definitely hits the shoulder a bit harder. The .300 hits it less. I am left with the impression that in close 7.62x39 has a bit more power. But I love the precision of my AR in .300 within its effective range.
Do the 6.5x55 swede next. Jim would be impressed
We've got it on the list!
Sweetheart of a cartridge!
I am a fan of the AR-15 chambered in the 7.62x39! I have owned/built 3 of them, one is a dedicated whitetail rig. I really like it, but I reload most of my hunting ammo so I can build what I need for that caliber. Great talk though and I agree with many of the points made.
I have a Howa in 7.62X39 as well as an AR upper. I reload and yet like the availability of 7.62X39 in factory ammo. I practice with steel case and use brass case empties to reload with Barnes bullets. They are deadly on deer out to 200 to 250 yards. In the Howa I can push pressure beyond AR pressures safely and rivals the 45-70 with better balistics. The biggest draw back most 300 blk out fans spout as their advantage over the 7.62X39 is bullet availability. What they don't know or won't say is that .308 bullets also work in the 7.62X39 cases. In fact the Lee dies come with both .308 and .311 expander plugs. In the AR platform for extended use the blk out does have the advantage of the beefier bolt lugs however case for case I prefer the 7.62X39.
I recently purchased a Daniel Defense PDW 300 with a 7” barrel for two reasons: home defense and hunting here in the pinebelt of the southeast. I run 110gr Hornady supers for home defense and 188gr Discreet Ballistics subsonic Selous Expanders for hunting where shots greater than 75 yards are rare.
Twist rate is important to the short barrels and subs. Especially for accuracy and expansion.
So glad you aren’t dead Jim! I was really worried about you! Merry Christmas 🎅🏿
I was just looking for more info on this few days ago. It's like y'all read my mind
Hornady 190 gr subsonic at 74 yard's put a 8 point buck on the ground now, this last November ,, 300 aac is my favorite work gun ...
You guys should do a comparison of 300 BLK vs 350 Legend. I think you all would be surprised to see that 350 Legend is more compatible with your run of the mill AR, slightly better performance, cheaper ammo, and you can use it to hunt in both straight wall and non straight wall states over the 300 BLK.
350 ammo is more expensive than 300, unless you're talking about subs. I shoot steel case 300 for roughly 40 cents a round...
300blk is cheaper and more common now and if you reload and also have like a 308 and 300winmag you can use some of the same projectiles for all 3 if you really wanted to
Last year, I was in the market for a lightweight bolt gun to hunt the puny local white tails. The Ruger American Ranch is chambered in both 300 BO and 7.62x39. I eventually decided on the 7.62x39 because of the availability of inexpensive bulk ammo for practice. But, I did end up having to load my own hunting ammo. Luckily, Nosler makes .310 caliber 123 grain bullets Just for the task. I’ve been thinking of an AR “handgun” chambered in 300 BO for handgun-only hunting areas.
It's a fun little cartridge. No suppressors allowed in my state, so I got an upper with a 16" barrel. For me, it's a better close-range home defense rifle than an AR in 5.56, and one I would feel better about deer hunting with. Mine is mostly supersonics only except if I find cheap subs to plink with.
I understand its still a quality round, but without a suppressor and without the joy of a short barrel.
why not just get an ak or something in 7.62x39
@@brighthought11 I was looking for an upper for medium game hunting that was minimal fuss to swap, so really it was never 7.62x39 that was its competition for me. The .300 Blk's competition were calibers like .450 Bushmaster, .50 Beowulf, 6.5 Grendel. I consider all of these good enough for me to be confortable to use on deer, hogs, or black bear under 100 yards. It came down to finding a crazy good deal on a .300 Blackout upper by chance.
Then I started to really like the cartridge. With supersonics, the flash, noise, and concussion are much lower than a 5.56's with a 16" barrel. Even the subsonics are a joy to shoot. Subs basically take the .300 Blackout from a rifle to a super high-BC pistol caliber carbine. So I slowly got together the parts, when they were on sale, to make it its own rifle.
Now that I'm handloading for it, one thing I want to do is some silly and stupid fun. I want to load some 220 grain Hornady ELD-X subsonics, work up an accurate load, zero it at 100 yards and shoot it at 200 yards (longest distance at any nearby range) to mimic longer-range shooting.
Plus, if/when I move to a more gun-friendly state, I can get a pistol lower, 10-12" barrel, and a can for it. That would leave it about the same length as its current configuration while taking full advantage of the cartridge's features.
I recently purchased a 10.5" 300 Blackout upper for my SBR stamped lower and have been shooting subsonic rounds through it with a Dead Air Sandman suppressor. I'm loving it immensely. It's weird to hear to hear the bullet slap the paper at 50 yards. I like "stupid quiet", thank you.
Great calibre talk. Hope you pick the 35 Remington soon for a talk.
Finally. Thank you.
I have shot hogs in TX with a 10 inch 300 Blackout AR pistol with the 110 gr Tac-TX bullet, and it is my second favorite pig killer for work in thick cover; with my favorite being my 450 Bushmaster
I have a box of Hornady 208gr A-max marked 300 Whisper. Bot the case 's are stamped 300 Blk. The 300 AAC Blackout is one of my favorite chambers in a AR. I have a 9" KAC SR30 SBR and a 12" AAC factory built 300 Blackout SBR. Both suppressed.
Love the round but not as subs, but suppers.... I think it's one of the best home defense rounds available!! As always, buying the right ammo is key!!!
What ammo would you suggest? I've got a DD PDW 300BLK on the way and am looking for good home defense rounds without a can. I plan on getting one but that seems to be over a year out if I applied for it today.
@@PCP4Me84 Barnes Vor-TX 110gr Ammo is excellent supersonic ammo averaging about 2300 fps from a 16" barrel. I reload 300BO using once fired Lake City 5.56 Brass cases, cutting them down and resizing just as described in this video and using the same bullet (Barnes #20231 TAC-TX 110gr from their Military/Law Enforcement line of bullets) used in the Vor-TX ammo. Out of a 16" barreled AR carbine, I am getting just at 2400 fps. This bullet causes significant temporary and permanent wound channels when hitting it's intended target at 1600 fps or faster (1600 fps is required for this bullet to expand properly). UA-cam videos found elsewhere will give you some idea as to this Barnes bullet's considerable capabilities. For personal/home defense, this cartridge penetrates at about 18" of ballistics gel, so keep in mind what is behind your intended target just in case of over penetration.
For hunting, using my 110gr Barnes Bullet loads, I sight in for a 175 yard zero and am able to hit whitetail deer in the kill area out to about 200 yards without any holdover using this ammo and a 4X Scope out of my 16 inch barreled AR (I also use RollerMag RM-5 five round Magazines for 223/5.56 NATO with zero feed issues) . 300 AAC Black Out supersonic loads can be comparable to the Winchester 30-30 cartridges used for hunting in terminal performance. With this in mind, I use both the 300BO and the 30-30 for hunting in areas where shots are likely to be under 200 yards. Additionally, this bullet is legal in those jurisdictions (California for example) that require lead-free projectiles for hunting. The Barnes bullet is completely lead-free.
Probably more info than you wanted. As always, Your Mileage May Vary. Good Hunting and God Bless!
@@jeffreymccright3542 Thank you Jeff for the detailed reply. Never can have to many details! I really appreciate your help as I am new to 300 BLK and am looking for great self/home defense rounds. Especially as they are expensive rounds I don't want to have to try and research every round to find something that is good for shooting in the house (no one else in the house) and many walls and space between houses as well as cinderblock and mostly sheetrock, wire, and plaster walls. Cheers!
@@PCP4Me84 I did a fair amount of research before venturing into 300 black out. A lot of choices out there. Black Hills also puts out cartridges using the same bullet, but last I checked,they were a little bit more expensive and one ammo manufacturer uses the same Barnes bullet but loads it to around 1700 fps. I can't remember who that was though. Thanks for the kind words and if I can be of further service, let me know.
@@jeffreymccright3542 I had done a little research about a year ago but still didn't realize how much versatility the round has. Super and sub, more grain variation, more barrel length options, etc. It's fun though as there is more to learn and more satisfying when honing in on your specific use and needs.
Thanks again for the info!
Hey guys, me again, so I just heard about the new 8.6 BLK. Supposedly a subsonic round capable of taking big game at near 300 yards! Hype or fact? If true what a game changer!!! Love to hear your take.
We use the 300blk, suppressed, with thermals for hog culling in TX. I really like the suppressors on everyone we hunt with to save our ears.
Yes, .300BLK with a suppressor is quiet. But .300BLK subsonic out of a bolt gun and a suppressor with a wipe is insanely quiet. To the point where if it weren't for the minor recoil (or to an observer), and the sound of the impact you wouldn't know it discharged.
16" barrel 🤔
What about the Marlin cartridges? 444 & 450 marlin then 308 and 338 marlin express. The second two are neat as a different take on the designated lever gun cartridge
I would love this talk
I've been loading 300 BLK for about two year's now, and I still think its funny how Little powder is used in the subsonic loads, I just wish the price on primers would come down a bit, and that the availability would come back to normal so we can start buying bricks again, my LGS is still limiting primer sales to 3 packages of 100.
Also, I've done the .223 to 300BLK brass conversion and it adds a little extra fun and sense of accomplishment when reloading, I do turn the necks just to be sure they're not too thick. In my 300Blk AR I've had to play with buffer weight to function my sub loads, but my Ruger ranch rifle Loves the Hornady 225gr ELD match using Hodgdon Lil'gun. And of course suppressed.
I love the 300 blk accurate at 600 yards 400 yards all day supersonic. 200 yard subsonic. It's best ever . Kills Water Buffalo one bullet, and you still have 29 or more rounds. Subsonic without suppressor is still lot quieter.