Hands-On Impressions of the Canon EOS R10 and EOS R7
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- Опубліковано 23 жов 2024
- Dave and Evelyn share their first impressions of pre-production Canon EOS R7 and R10 mirrorless APS-C cameras. They are joined by Chris Niccolls from DPReview TV, and Dan & Sally Watson to talk about image quality, autofocus, video performance, and more.
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Awesome video! Was great being a part of it and getting to talk to you again!!!
Thanks Dan. It was so nice to chat with you and Sally. We appreciate all your input.
Really helpful having the other reviewers join you!
The R10 is destined for my bag as a second camera. Price plays a part in that decision. But so does size and feature set. One thing that doesn’t get said is that these two cameras offer a tantalizing potential sneak preview for the expected replacements for the R and RP. If those cameras also have some of the control, drive speed increases, and AF features that the R7 and R10 have, I think you’ll see a lot of people flocking to them as well. I know I’d upgrade my RP in a heartbeat.
Does the fact that you will nly be able to purchase Canon R-Series lenses and have no access to third paty options have any bearing on your decision?
Not really. I think that the situation isn’t fully resolved yet, despite the collective freak-out over its supposed finality. Right now, the few third party lenses that I am interested in are mostly lenses that I’d be likely to purchase in EF mount and adapt, like the Sigma 20mm f/1.4 Art. Licenses direct RF-mount releases are likely to be years down the road anyhow, and I have a fair amount of shooting to do between now and then.
Preordered the R10, I don’t need the pro features of the R7 and it seems to finally compete with other brands. I was going to save for a Sony A6600 but this is better value and I think has more potential. Plus I’m a sucker for Canon colours!
In the end the client who is paying you doesn't know or even care what camera you used. They paid for a look they saw in the past
Great review, love the cross-over interviews!
Canon Has Finally done the Impossible by Making The APSC Line Up Stronger and Faster and This is would be the Bench mark for APSC Line up. Kudos to Canon
The R10 or RP? I'm an amateur, mostly into casual, street photography. I've held the RP, felt great in hand. Which one will get me better stills results? I'll probably keep it in auto mode most of the time. I'm guessing RP will be better at night, walking about taking hand held shots？I know the R10 is a little bit lighter but they're close enough. to me weight is important, so I won't be considering more pro level full frame or even apsc cameras.
Thanks for watching. I like both models as they represent a great value on the market. For casual and street I tend to lean towards the RP. I really like full frame however if my style of street involves faster frame rates and more aggressive AF then the R10 is very impressive. Tough choice, let me know what you do or if you have any more questions. Thanks
I think the R10 and especially the R7 are absolutely brilliant cameras for the money and that Canon is going to sell a ton of them. They will likely have trouble keeping up with demand.
I would like very much to have the fantastic AF system, IBIS and some of the other neat features of the R7
However, personally I won't be running out to buy a pair of R7 to replace my 7D Mark IIs. For my purposes (a lot of sports, a bit of wildlife and a few other things), the R7 comes up a little short.
For one, it baffles me why Canon didn't make the R7 compatible with the BG-R10 battery grip used by the R5 and R6. The R7 is within a few millimeters of being the same size, so this should have been a no-brainer. I use grips on my DSLRs not only for the add'l battery, but also for the vertical controls. The R7 isn't designed to accommodate a battery grip (confirmed by Canon). While on paper the R7 claims more shots per battery charge than 7DII, I am nearly certain that's not the case. When CIPA shots-per-battery testing is done, if a camera has a built in flash, it is used for 50% of the shots, greatly reducing the number of shots because the flash is a heavy drain on the battery. Simply by not using the 7DII's but in flash, I easily get double the rated shots per battery and often much more. The R7 doesn't have a built-in flash, so it's rating (around 700 shots) is likely pretty accurate. Sure, some power saving is probably possible, but I suspect it still will fall well short of what's possible with 7DII. Combined with the lack of a battery grip, this means buying and carrying more batteries and having to pause more often to change them. When you shoot 3000 or more images at a sporting event, this is a consideration. Of course, for many people it won't be a problem.
My other big concern is the odd control layout. I shoot sports with several cameras and need to switch between them quickly. Right now all my cameras used for that purpose have very similar control layout. I know from experience using very different cameras in fast shooting situations leads to mistakes. So I wish Canon hadn't "messed with already good ergonomics" the way they did on the R7. Again, while this effects my work, it won't bother most people who are only using a single camera and can easily become accustomed to and probably even enjoy the placement of the controls on the R7.
For me there also may be issues regarding the buffer and/or memory card bottleneck... As well as some questions I have about durability. The 7DII is rated to do 200,000 shutter actuations and the 90D 120,000. Those both shoot at up to 10 frames/sec. The R7 can shoot at 15 fps, so I would hope it is rated to do 300,000 clicks, but haven't heard anything about this from Canon. And seeing how it is said to have 90D level weather/dust resistance, I suspect the shutter life expectancy may be rather low. Again, this may be a concern for someone doing high volume sports shooting, but may be fine for most other people.
I am not ruling out buying R7 eventually. I may just learn to deal with the short comings because the camera also offers some tremendous benefits.
In the video there was mention of more RF-S lenses in the future. But if you think about it, since these cameras can use both RF-S and RF equally well, the range from 16mm to 800mm is covered pretty well with a number of reasonably affordable lenses. The only thing really lacking is something affordable that's ultra wide. And since EF & EF-S lenses adapt so well for use on R-series cameras, there are some quite good options even for ultra wide. Where the R-series are lacking is in 3rd party support. That will change in time, but I'm surprised we haven't already seen more than the very few 3rd party lenses we have (capable of AF and electronic aperture control... there a quite a few strictly manual 3rd party lenses).
P.S. While Canon denies it, this marks the beginning of the end of the M-series. Nice little cameras for a lot of things, Canon will undoubtedly consolidate under the RF mount, phasing out EF, EF-S and EF-M over time. (Canon has mostly treated M-series like an ugly step child, anyway.) I believe they've already discontinued products in both the EF/EF-S and EF-M systems. Some good news is that there will be a lot of good deals on the used market, as people shift over to the R-system!
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Preordered it on the day it was released, especially for UA-cam. Thanks for this hands on, this was very helpful, look forward to get mine on June 26th, but lets see.
I didn't think about 30 min limit on R5 & R6. R7 is actually better camera for event shooters who shoot videos.
is every mode limited to 30 mins on the R6?
@@unknownKnownunknowns Yes, it is, unfortunately.
R7 or OM1? Lens lineup isn't looking great for R7 but what would you choose?
That is a very good question. So much to consider between those two models. I will wait till I get some time in with a production copy of the R7 before I answer. Thanks for watching.
@@DaveTCSTV You should've mentioned the adapter, which allows you to use EF and EF-S lenses. Which is great for a user like me, upgrading from an 80D 🙂
R7 with the sigma 18-35 f/1.8 sounds very good. Can't wait to test the IBIS.
Moving from DSLR would you recommend the r10 or eos rp
I am getting the R7
Hi Dave, I enjoyed the video but I have a slight criticism about your Canon R10 at around 5 minutes onwards into the video - you speak very quick and trying to digest what you were saying whilst trying to listen was a bit difficult. I would also like to comment on the volume difference between yourselves and Chris. I would just like to say that these are minor niggles on an otherwise helpful and informative video. Thanks.
When will be r8 and r9 ? 🙃
@TheCameraStoreTV How loud is the mechanical shutter on the R7?
Can anybody tell me which camera is best for photography sony a6400 or canon r10
Hi and good question. Both cameras are good choices featuring crop sensors and a host of features for both stills and video. You really need to decide on what factors one has over the other that appeal to your needs. The Canon has a more traditional viewfinder placement over the 6400's rangefinder style for example. Factors like how many frames per second may sway you to or from one model or another. Either way both cameras can deliver very good results, just decide what features are important or not important to you when you compare. Thanks
I need a camera for photos of my products I’d like to go to the R line. Which would you recommend? Thanks
Hi and thanks for watching. The Canon R lineup has several models with different feature sets and budgets to match all kinds of customers. Both the R10 and R7 are very capable cameras however I would like to know more about you and your needs? What kind of products are you wanting to photograph?
@@DaveTCSTV thank you for replying. I will be taking pictures of home decor for my business.
I get that the EVF is a problem with its resolution, but let’s face it…Not a lot of photographers including myself use the evf anymore. Honestly, I’d prefer looking at the screen even if it’s too bright outside to see it. I’d make it work somehow. Using the evf just seems so old school to me imo.
Where does this leave the R6 in relation to why would I be this R6 full-frame 20mp sensor body over the R7 APC-S 33mp sensor body. Apart from sensor size these 2 body's seem to be competing for similar target markets? Any thoughts Dave/Evelyn?
Stu
Besides price and sensor, there are a few other notable differences. The R6 has a nicer (higher-resolution EVF), and I personally prefer the control layout and slightly more robust body. The R6 also has better lowlight sensitivity. (-6.5EV vs. -5EV) On the other hand, the R7 has better battery performance, and a faster shutter (15fps mechanical and 30fps electronic) vs. the R6 with 12fps mechanical & 20fps electronic. I think the R7 is a very capable camera is competes well against the R6. But, it comes down to some personal preferences and what you will primarily be shooting with it. -Evelyn
@@TheCameraStoreTV Thanks for your feedback and advice Evelyn. I suppose it really comes down to choosing the right camera to suit your own style of photography and your needs. I want to move up to a full frame camera but I just feel the R6's sensor is a little too small for my needs and the R5 and it's resulting size of files too large. The R7 seems a good fit but with a crop sensor...... - Stu
I'm excited 4K no crop great video
Can you ask Canon to provide a grip for the R7. Just be because some people like the smallness and lightness doest mean that goes for all of us.
I think having an optional grip would be a great addition too.
To even suggest the R7 as a sport or wild life camera and no vertical shutter is ridiculous.
The R7 looks terrific, but it's not the tough, pro-level body I really wanted to move to from the 7DII.
How does the dynamic range compare the the m50? Is the cost worth upgrading?
At 11:30 Dan Watson talks about his DR tests. We have not had a chance to test the final image quality or the RAW files yet. But, we suspect it will be an improvement and overall, I think it would be worth the upgrade.
1:22 Both the 7D and 7D Mark II have dual processors. The R7 has only a single processor.
Thanks.
Have you tried the new Wheel & Joystick combo with a "Real Canadian" winter glove?
Not yet but after our month of summer I will let you know.
@@DaveTCSTV :) :) Short, it is!!!
Great video, (and sub'd) and I have to say I've been watching all the vids I could find on these two amazing cameras. The 7 and 10 will sell by the truck load, I've been using the Rebel series for years, currently still using the (much underrated) T5i (700D)! For me it will be the R7, I just hope supply issues doesn't spoil the party, exciting times I think, well done Canon, the 7 and 10 will be the new bench marks for the other players.
Thanks for the reply. I agree and think that both of these cameras will sell very well. Thanks for watching.
I think these cameras and their lenses should be EOS-M mount. It doesn't make good sense to use APS-C lenses on 35mm cameras, it just cripples them. I have a 5Ds, I can crop to APS-C dimensions in post and sacrifice a few pixels in comparison with my 80D, but not really enough to worry about. And the ability to crop to intermediate sizes is useful. The R5 is a good-enough alternative.
The lack of APS-C lenses has always been a problem for Canon and Nikon APS-C cameras, it's the reason I mostly use a smaller format now. To support these cameras properly, Canon has to produce an extensive line of APS-C lenses for them, and I don't see that happening. Had these been APS-C cameras, the promise would be there.
To me, Fujifilm's X series is looking better.
Canon only has made a limited number of APSC lens. These cameras lens mounts take full frame lens. They give that x1.6 reach. They are really meant as a bridge camera to full frame. Fujifilm doesn’t have fast super telephotos.
Completely agree. I really hoped that the R would be dedicated full-frame and the M line dedicated to APS-C. Under such a scenario, there could have even been a pro-level M body that Canon would not have had to cripple. Not enough M lenses? Every new APS-C lens for these new cameras could have been an M lens. I like the new R bodies, but I still like the mirror experience, too. I currently shoot with a 5DIV, 90D, and M50II. All have very different uses. With an eye loupe, the hybrid 90D offers a terrific "mirrorless" experience while finishing the line as the most advance APSC DSLR Canon would ever produce.
Do they have inbuilt interavelometer? Do they have remote shutter port?
We will check for you. Stay tuned!
Both R7 and R10 have intervalometers and can take remote shutters. If you email me, I can send you a screenshot of the compatibility chart. evelyn@thecamerastore.com
Canon 90d vs r7 which beast camera
11:00 LOL at first i thought she was talking about the girl model at the photoshoot at 10:49 🤣
I wanna hear how fast it shoots !
Canon should have given R10 IBIS and sell for $300 more. R7 could have got the same EVF as R6, then another $200 more.
Canon would not do that because doing so would cannibalize sales from the R6 (which is priced significantly more).
I'm waiting on Nikon to give us a mirrorless D500
As a Nikon shooter currently, I've said this for so long. Unfortunately with what I've seen from Nikon and their price points if they do ever release a d500 mirrorless equivalent it'll be $2,500 to $3,500. I'm contemplating switching to Canon as I'mpressed with their new products and how quickly they release new stuff.
@@jeffsanders4710 true. But can you really be satisfied without the perfect Nikon colors and ergonomics?
@@bassangler73 I wouldn't say the Nikon colors are perfect and the ergonomics would be something to get used to. Even so, I'd trade those for better autofocus for sure.
@@jeffsanders4710 my ole D500 still does the job for me for bif
@@bassangler73 OH it does for sure, but the extra 12 megapixels, in body stabilization, evf, animal eye detect, etc all with the same or better autofocus are too good to pass up
For this price point, why R7 still no back light cmos, why still use old technology
Agree, I have perhaps all models of camera brands I'm a fanatic to test, but I have to confirm the canon sensors are the worst in the picture noise. Canon sensors always make the most noise !!!
How is the R7 is low light?
At 11:30 Dan Watson talks about his DR tests. We have not had a chance to test the final image quality or the RAW files yet.
does the R7 do 422 10 bit?
Yes it can. Thanks for watching.
These cameras are starting to turn me on. Might go into the RF system earlier than expected.
Hows the UFO tracking?
waiting for a firmware update. :)
Use animal focusing.
Enrtry level? Well to the mount perhaps. But for a beginner that wants to start photography that is a substantial amount of money to shell out. Especially the R7 with optics.
The R10 is the entry-level camera to the mount. The R7 is quite capable and has features pros will appreciate.
I don't get Canon with the R7 and R10 as these cameras should of been budget full frame cameras not ASP-C. We all know this system will get no lenses Canon will expect users just to use full frame lenses.
Nikon and Canon crop bodies are such a waste of money
@@PrinceMeowmers I think us 1000's of birds in flight photographers would tend to disagree..The Nikon D500 is arguably the best Wildlife aps-c camera ever made
@@bassangler73 yes, true. For birders it makes sense.
There’s plenty of ef-s glass around for the time being and for transitioning dslr users towards mirrorless
@@bassangler73 yes that’s a nice camera.
Given the price point of the M10, calling it a "rebel" camera is wrong. This camera is aimed at consumers who want to step up from a rebel or an M50.
I think the M50 is discontinued.
The 7d2 was semi pro level this isn’t close more 90d lightly weather sealed for wildlife you’re in the elements
Wow! Baby girl.
r10 + 800 f11 = win
Why are your prices $500.00 more than everyone else on the R7
Our prices are in Canadian dollars. I assume you are looking at USD pricing?
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She looks exactly like the sweeper girl from Elite Netflix series
Haha, I've never heard that comparison before. Too funny!
@@TheCameraStoreTV that girl is pretty it's just her character in that series is of a sweeper.. if you haven't you should look it up
I feel that the EOS R 10 and R7 are very attractive to users who would choose the EOS Rebel models or the EOS 90D. However, for more advanced users who have been waiting for the equivalent of an EOS 7D Mark III, the R7 is a disappointment. I hope that Canon still produces a higher end APS-C sensored camera to fill that important niche.
As an active used of the 7DII (just spent the money to get the shutter replaced in mine), I'm psyched to get the R7 I ordered. The only negative I've found with it to date is that there's no plans for a battery grip. Otherwise, every single spec is above and beyond what I'm using, and $1,000 less than the nearest comparable full-frame version (R6). I don't see anything but win in spending the money.
@@Bad_Wolf_Media I agree, DSLRs we’re well established with the range of options and only now are we seeing the mirrorless options become available. I think too much emphasis is on the name and not what the camera is. Yes, it could have had one better medium to record to, maybe a popup flash and certainly the battery grip but for me, having the faster speed, higher resolution and superior autofocus, I can’t wait for the R7. The only thing I’m disappointed in, is the waiting for it to be delivered! The 2 kit lenses are an eye sore though
People who have invested in the M system will probably not be moving over to the EOS R systems. I myself have the EOS M50 and EOS M 6MKII and 12 M mount lenes. What am I supposed to do with this gear? No one wants to buy it because of the lack of Canon support for the system. I have a significant amount of money invested in the EOS M system. One can't just toss that aside. Money doesn't grow on trees. Very bad treatment from Canon regarding this system. And they are still selling the M 50 MKII! If they are going to drop the M system, they should at the very least figure out an adapter. I know the lens distance is an issue, but they are Canon, Engineer something. They took our money we paid in good faith. The EOS R system had to be long on the drawing board when they were pushing the M system. Perhaps they should offer us a buyback program. They need to do something besides stiffing their loyal customers. The M system is a great system regardless of the improvements in the R System....JMHO
These would have been option but with canon issuing cease and desist letters to third party lens vendors for the AF lenses this removes them from my consideration because it increases my costs for casual everyday camera. I will stick with my SL1 or find a refurb SL3 and continue to use my EF series lenses for the next few years. Canon's strategy is now clear. Ignore the M-series. Transition consumers to the R-Series and purge the landscape of third party lenses while increasing the prices of their own R-Series lenses to a professional level leaving consumers to pay dearly for casual everyday use and to extract maximum funds from content creators, sports photographers, and nature photographers. This is a scorched earth approach top forcing a market and I think it will eliminate most consumers and leave only well funded professionals with startups looking ot Sony.
Over price camara, 7iii or rp, Z5 is low price this camara
The only reason Canon created that weird dial is to force me to use the dail on the lens
Moving from DSLR to mirrorless, everyone else refreshed their look but Canon. Too many curved or smoothed over body details make them look kinda ugly and outdated.
… yes, the design of the R7 and R10 looks ugly and cheap.
Cameras are getting better but lenses are going backwards!
You think so? In what way?
@@TheCameraStoreTV The slow apertures on consumer lenses and pro lenses that are oversized and L glass that has external zooms, just all seems backwards to me. This is coming from a man that mainly uses vintage glass too haha
@@hfvhf987 that makes no sense.
@@bngr_bngr It does to me or i wouldn't have said it!
I agree. It seems that a lot of the latest consumer lenses are now at a slower aperture of F6.3 whereas a 'kit' lens for a DSLR would have been F5.6. Even the RF 100-500mm is F7.1 at the telephoto end, it's so frustrating especially given the prices now!