This video is a collection of moments in Star Wars Rebels that show how brilliant Thrawn truly is. Disclaimer: I do not not own Star Wars (I wish I did, though).
Part of what makes thrawn such an amazing villain. Even when he loses, and he must lose for the sake of the plot, he still gets something out of it. Perhaps, not enough alone to act on it, but enough to be scary and be further refined into actionable information. Each setback will, at best, slow him down and at worst speed his efforts further
It even required divine intervention to defeat Thrawn. Additionally, the reason Thrawn often monologues is that he seeks to hear the opinions of others and provoke reactions from them. Chiss, with their crimson eyes, possess an exceptional ability to read body language and emotions, making these interactions particularly revealing to him.
One thing I want to mention Thrawn is not really a villain, but more of an opponent. Considering how Star Wars tends to parallel with WWII, you can say that he parallels General Rommel and Admiral Yamamoto. Both good military leaders but not villains. Rommel was very successful with Germany's campaigns into Africa but he was not supportive of the regime and wanted to overthrow Hitler but not they way other conspirators wanted. He even took his own life to protect his family from the Nazis. Yamamoto, despite being the mastermind for the attack on Pearl Harbor, did not want war with America for he believed it was unjust, (Some extra information, the Imperial Army acted like the warlords of old Japan also note that there were several times in Japan's history, that the Emperor is not really the highest authority, but the Shogunate) he even understood Emperor Hirohito's poem that he hoped for peace and was waiting as well hoping for the recall order before the attack commenced. He said in regard in a war with America, "I could raise havoc for a year and after that I guarantee nothing." I should quote what he said after the attack on Pearl Harbor, "I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve" Sheesh! ended up saying more than I thought! On the scene with Thrawn and Hera, Thrawn actually respected Hera. Thrawn meant what he said about "keeping it in a place of honor." it was not a trophy for his own glory, it was to preserve it since he thought that Hera would be able to care for it and obviously Slavin wouldn't. Also note that he was surprised when Hera said she would have smashed it had she had known and Slavin's attitude making Thrawn almost loose his trademark temper! Towards the end of Rebels, they tried making Thrawn look like a villain and Thrawn despises civilian causalities unless the bombardment was overall "fireworks."
@@Soundwave142 I think Thrawn wanted to avoid attacking civilians but the Emperor forced him to do it. After all, the Emperor led the Lothal campaign. It’s like what you said about Pearl Harbor.
There is a term for this, and it is called the Xanatos Gambit. It's essentially a strategy where all forseeable outcomes benefit the creator, including ones that superficially appear to be a failure.
"Why would I surrender when I hold your entire army prisoner?" "No. You've simply moved my assets to a secure position; so that I can bombard civilians on your homeworld without incurring Imperial casualties." Thrawn is like a Roman Centurion. He didn't reach his rank by playing nice.
"I do not require glory, only results." It seems that the writers were trying into make Thrawn into a villain and partially ruining his character, he despises civilian casualties unless he was only bluffing and the bombardment was really "fireworks."
@Soundwave142 The idea of a villain is relative depending on your perspective. It was not at all uncommon for generals and leaders to use the threat of casualties as a bargaining chip in conflicts throughout human history. If you look at Thrawn's choice from a modern point of view, then it is easy to frame him as the villain for this. Things get more nuanced the more complex the story gets. If the roles were reversed it would be interesting to see how Ezra would react if his army (and thus his agency) was held hostage by the enemy. It's easy to judge until the protagonist is put in a position where they have to make a cruel choice. War is ugly.
@@thenovicewhispers War is ugly, yes. I do still think the writers were botching it (not just here FYI) but I can see him using the threat of civilian casualties (I may not have been as clear) as a bluff. Like how he knew that the Rebel's have friends always rushing in (without thinking) to the rescue. He could be using the Rebel's "heroism" and the Imperial stereotype against them. He threatens bombardment but has not the intention of killing civilians. To make the threat more convincing he instructs the gunners to not use full power except in open areas, not target civilians but shoot at open but relatively close areas and cause damage to buildings and destroy empty buildings. Cause a lot of mayhem to make the threat convincing.
@Soundwave142 I'm saying that he absolutely would have bombarded civilians if pushed far enough, and whether or not that makes him a villain depends on your point of view. From his reasoning, the bombardment stops when Ezra surrenders what he stole, so he might justify it by saying Ezra is the one responsible for the civilians' lives, since he chose to commit treason and create a rebellion against empire forces in the first place.
Thrawn himself wouldn't survive the predatory politics of the Imperial military. He reached up the ranks with the help of Palpatine, effectively becoming his personal champion. His skill of a strategist is extraordinary, yes, but Palpatine made him his officer only to gain his guidance and informations about the unknown regions and the local threat.
The guy in the white outfit with the mustache is actually the same guy who surved with Anikan Skywalker during the clone wars and the same guy in the conference room in a new hope he must likely died on the Death Star
@TylorHanson no admiral is the leader of an entire fleet general for the navy so to speak colonel is more a land army rank and it’s a fairly high rank in that last time I checked and yes for future refrence colonel is how you spell the word
I'm pretty sure he has always respected them, Thrawn has never been about the glory of war, just winning, the rebellion are just a very competent enemy and Thrawn enjoys seeing what crazy ass tactics they come up with.
@@BitrateBilly exactly this, he’s not even really loyal to the Empire, they’re just a means to an end with him That end being to the benefit of the Chiss Ascendancy
Thrawn often respects his enemies, its a key part of his success, he respects his opponents and thus doesn't underestimate them as much as the other imperial officers.
Thrawn is one of the if not THE best, most well written and executed characters of the modern Star Wars universe. He is the true successor to the emperor.
@@faisalmemon285 Yes, it is. They were referring to Legends timeline where Thrawn took command after the Emperor died at Endor, although he was around doing anti-rebel stuff before then. In modern canon, Thrawn was missing for the entire Original Trilogy.
*Thrawn discovers General Dodonna's group is called Massassi* Thrawn: The Rebel Base is on Yavin IV. Dodonna: HOW?! Thrawn: Seriously, dude... I JUST READ A HISTORY BOOK!!!
If it wasn't for 'the ultimate force moments' and incompetence above and below him, he would be unstoppable. He never is utterly defeated like typical villains, his loses always get him one step closer. You only feel like you are delaying the inevitable. Would love to play a SW game with him as the antagonist.
0:55 singlehandedly the most TERRIFYING scene with Thrawn, A) Thrawn B) Sindula C) random officer, A knew who B was and vise-versa and A held C's hand to lead them to B
Thrawns job (as a character) was to make the empire scary again, after the rebels continually easily outsmart the empire he is the one who actually succeeds, from the capture of them on Ryloth to the battle of Atollon, he's like Vader in series 2. He arrives to be an actual threat, the replacement for Kallus as the next non force sensitive to deal with, while Vader arrives after they take out the inquisitor. He is imo the single greatest threat the empire had to the rebels.
I just love how dumb slavin is in that episode. It was dupposed to introduce thrawn better and it did a great job at it. But even after saying Hera Syndulla and host and showing her painting on the wall the Slavin our good lad didnt figure out that she was Cham Syndullas daughter......
Personally I think the ending of rebels really messed up Thrawns character ark. For those who don’t know the battle of Endor wasn’t the end of the empire. After operation cinder was a failure they actually ended the war pretty well maintaining their core planets and access to their war manufacturing centers like corellia. I would love to see a series about thrawn navigating the post war empire, rebuilding it from a scattered, insignificant, afterthought, to a force to be reinvigorated force to be reckoned with. Watching him use his cunning and smarts to backstab, steal, and coup the existing imperial command.
I like how l tharwn is so smart he needs a translator in governor price to tell say Constantine what tharwn is saying he would be the empires iron man in a way but more of a strategist qui gon was the Jedis and bane was the siths the only difference was that the sith listened to him and began the rule of 2 and he played on that weakness of sith teaching and the other factions could not understand what they were saying the smarter you are the harder it’s gonna be for people to understand you that’s what these guys weakness are I’d even put dooku on this list
The thing is the other officers always underestimated the rebels, they didn't act out of character to make Thrawn look better, Thrawn was just that smart.
Actually, the other officers acting stupid is intentional, they arent actually tacticians or good at their jobs, most are just rich assholes who bought their way to the top, so they are easily outmanuevered by the rebels since they actually HAVE competent tacticians since those positions are earned through legitimate effort. Thrawn is so competent because he got to the top the old fashioned way, if the other officers actually worked their way towards the top instead of just literally being PTW rich folk, they would be in similar levels of competency to him, obviously not 1:1, but they would definitely be able to see more bullshit when its coming. Funnily enough this exact reason is why Thrawn actually reward individuals despite failure, should they show competence but make a mistake *and* own up to it, he will often reward or teach them better tactics for next time, especially if that failure still has something to salvage, an incident where a tractor beam operator tried creative tactics to catch luke skywalker but failed and Thrawn rewarded his creativity with a promotion both for his quick thinking and for owning up to his failure, whereas another beam operator blamed others for his own incompetency and Thrawn punished him severely.
@@KodyCrimson i know for some this was true but for Yularen is it noch charakter like if he dont see what thrawn see because he is also a very smart charkater and doing thrawn a favor with him acting dump find i perosnally not helping thawns Developmend
How’s he’s dumb? He was perfectly in control the entire time. He sent his forces out to eliminate the good guys. Then when he learns Ahsoka’s master was Anakin he has a brief panic and changes the objective to just delaying them long enough for the Chimaera to escape. He still won, even if Ezra stowed away in bored as well.
@@Ron_Jambo_ Bro you had me rolling with that. Yeah they totally devasted my fav star wars character with the ashoka show. He constantly gets humiliated and does idiotic tactical decision but then acts like that's part of the plan. They made him not only dumb but also delusional. I mean he had the 3 heroes pinned on the ground while chasing the ship of ashoka but instead of sending a couple of extra TIE to finish the job and destroy all the vehicles of the heroes he finds the only possible way to completly blunder the situation by calling back everyone and letting the heroes reorganise and attack again. He had an entire imperial star destroyer, 2 siths, an intergallatic cruiser, a bunch of force sensistive witches and some random mercenaries and somehow still failed to contain 3 guys on the ground and a droid in a ship. Congrats to the writers I guess
Only a couple times, but yes. Vader was more alarming and it was always a situation of “we just need to survive”. Thrawn was the reoccurring “big picture” villain. He was the strategic mastermind focused on hunting rebels. Vader was busy focusing on the Inquisitors and Jedi side of things
@@ArtificialXD Nah. I don’t like this re-imagining of Star Wars. Did this happen under Disney? Darth Vader is the most masterful and strategic mastermind of the Empire. I don’t like the idea of someone being above him. Talking in strict canon of the movies, in ANH Vader was right hand of the Emperor. In ESB and ROTJ he was the commander in charge, and yes I know there was an Emperor. For me, the only Star Wars is the OT.
@@faisalmemon285Thrawn has been a character since only a few years after the OT, if memory serves, with his character being the primary villain of the Thrawn trilogy, which was a direct sequel to the OT (give or take a two or so year timeskip). This was before the Disney canon existed, and falls within the bounds of the old “Expanded Universe.” The Legends continuity. Thrawn’s reimagining in Rebels follows very closely to his characterization in this trilogy, just timeshifted to during the time of the rule of the Empire. Vader has always been highly competent, but his primary function as a character is fear. He knows how to use it, and he bloodily dismantles his foes accordingly. Thrawn is meant to work in concert with Vader as another of the Emperor’s top agents. However, his skill is as a military mastermind. The other commenter mentioned that Thrawn is a “big picture” thinker, and he narrows in on details based on that. The two characters have fundamentally different styles of doing things. Vader engages in brutal spectacle to inspire fear and cause his opponents to mess up more and more, creating greater openings. Thrawn, meanwhile, exploits what openings there already are with ruthless efficiency, often identifying weaknesses that his opponents don’t even know they have. One uses the current power to destroy, the other uses his opponents to destroy themselves. Thrawn isn’t “above” Vader. They’re both top agents of the emperor, along with the likes of Grand Moff Tarkin, and their methods differ dramatically.
@faisalmemon285 Thrawn FAR predates Disney. And Vader only showed up a few times, because if he'd been a main villain, the show would've ended like Rogue One.
@ Nothing against you, but all that you have said ruins Star Wars more. Vader is like this and Thrawn is like that. Lucas already killed Vader a lot with Hayden Christiansen. The real Vader is the Vader of Empire Strikes Back. He is more powerful than Yoda and the Emperor (the midichlorian count). Only Luke would be an equal match to him. Saying all that, I know they have to make more content. But why does everything surround the OT and PT? I hate it when especially the OT is retconned. Like how Rogue One retconned so much. People like Rogue One so I won’t get into it, but like in ANH they show the Death Star laser being used for the first time. Then 40 years later in Rogue One they keep showing the laser being used time and again. Also the plans were “beamed” to Leia and not given by hard drive as shown I Rogue One.
One of the most alarming things to ever hear from Thrawn: "But in doing so..."
Agreed. Do you have any recommendations for future videos?
@@LegionEditing Oh uh, not really. I just wanted to comment for fun. Make whatever video you want to make I suppose
@@LegionEditing Could make a complilation of every time palpatine is seen controlling both sides
@@Goldenfoxy3016 omg please do it
A simple “but” suffices
Part of what makes thrawn such an amazing villain. Even when he loses, and he must lose for the sake of the plot, he still gets something out of it. Perhaps, not enough alone to act on it, but enough to be scary and be further refined into actionable information. Each setback will, at best, slow him down and at worst speed his efforts further
It even required divine intervention to defeat Thrawn. Additionally, the reason Thrawn often monologues is that he seeks to hear the opinions of others and provoke reactions from them. Chiss, with their crimson eyes, possess an exceptional ability to read body language and emotions, making these interactions particularly revealing to him.
When he loses it’s not his fault either. It’s always those below him being idiots or literal space Magic throwing him off
One thing I want to mention Thrawn is not really a villain, but more of an opponent. Considering how Star Wars tends to parallel with WWII, you can say that he parallels General Rommel and Admiral Yamamoto. Both good military leaders but not villains. Rommel was very successful with Germany's campaigns into Africa but he was not supportive of the regime and wanted to overthrow Hitler but not they way other conspirators wanted. He even took his own life to protect his family from the Nazis. Yamamoto, despite being the mastermind for the attack on Pearl Harbor, did not want war with America for he believed it was unjust, (Some extra information, the Imperial Army acted like the warlords of old Japan also note that there were several times in Japan's history, that the Emperor is not really the highest authority, but the Shogunate) he even understood Emperor Hirohito's poem that he hoped for peace and was waiting as well hoping for the recall order before the attack commenced. He said in regard in a war with America, "I could raise havoc for a year and after that I guarantee nothing." I should quote what he said after the attack on Pearl Harbor, "I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve"
Sheesh! ended up saying more than I thought!
On the scene with Thrawn and Hera, Thrawn actually respected Hera. Thrawn meant what he said about "keeping it in a place of honor." it was not a trophy for his own glory, it was to preserve it since he thought that Hera would be able to care for it and obviously Slavin wouldn't. Also note that he was surprised when Hera said she would have smashed it had she had known and Slavin's attitude making Thrawn almost loose his trademark temper! Towards the end of Rebels, they tried making Thrawn look like a villain and Thrawn despises civilian causalities unless the bombardment was overall "fireworks."
@@Soundwave142 I think Thrawn wanted to avoid attacking civilians but the Emperor forced him to do it. After all, the Emperor led the Lothal campaign. It’s like what you said about Pearl Harbor.
There is a term for this, and it is called the Xanatos Gambit. It's essentially a strategy where all forseeable outcomes benefit the creator, including ones that superficially appear to be a failure.
"Why would I surrender when I hold your entire army prisoner?"
"No. You've simply moved my assets to a secure position; so that I can bombard civilians on your homeworld without incurring Imperial casualties."
Thrawn is like a Roman Centurion. He didn't reach his rank by playing nice.
"I do not require glory, only results."
It seems that the writers were trying into make Thrawn into a villain and partially ruining his character, he despises civilian casualties unless he was only bluffing and the bombardment was really "fireworks."
@Soundwave142 The idea of a villain is relative depending on your perspective. It was not at all uncommon for generals and leaders to use the threat of casualties as a bargaining chip in conflicts throughout human history. If you look at Thrawn's choice from a modern point of view, then it is easy to frame him as the villain for this. Things get more nuanced the more complex the story gets. If the roles were reversed it would be interesting to see how Ezra would react if his army (and thus his agency) was held hostage by the enemy. It's easy to judge until the protagonist is put in a position where they have to make a cruel choice. War is ugly.
@@thenovicewhispers War is ugly, yes. I do still think the writers were botching it (not just here FYI) but I can see him using the threat of civilian casualties (I may not have been as clear) as a bluff. Like how he knew that the Rebel's have friends always rushing in (without thinking) to the rescue. He could be using the Rebel's "heroism" and the Imperial stereotype against them. He threatens bombardment but has not the intention of killing civilians. To make the threat more convincing he instructs the gunners to not use full power except in open areas, not target civilians but shoot at open but relatively close areas and cause damage to buildings and destroy empty buildings. Cause a lot of mayhem to make the threat convincing.
@Soundwave142 I'm saying that he absolutely would have bombarded civilians if pushed far enough, and whether or not that makes him a villain depends on your point of view. From his reasoning, the bombardment stops when Ezra surrenders what he stole, so he might justify it by saying Ezra is the one responsible for the civilians' lives, since he chose to commit treason and create a rebellion against empire forces in the first place.
Thrawn himself wouldn't survive the predatory politics of the Imperial military. He reached up the ranks with the help of Palpatine, effectively becoming his personal champion. His skill of a strategist is extraordinary, yes, but Palpatine made him his officer only to gain his guidance and informations about the unknown regions and the local threat.
The guy in the white outfit with the mustache is actually the same guy who surved with Anikan Skywalker during the clone wars and the same guy in the conference room in a new hope he must likely died on the Death Star
That would be Admiral ularen
@@Giuseppe-21489he always was better as a spymaster then he was an admiral
So does a corneal out rank an admiral or is it vice versa because I’m sure an admiral out ranks a cornel so why was he demoted
@TylorHanson no admiral is the leader of an entire fleet general for the navy so to speak colonel is more a land army rank and it’s a fairly high rank in that last time I checked and yes for future refrence colonel is how you spell the word
Nah, he “somehow returned” 😂
4:10 the way they both say how genius the rebels are makes me think they have at least some respect for them
I'm pretty sure he has always respected them, Thrawn has never been about the glory of war, just winning, the rebellion are just a very competent enemy and Thrawn enjoys seeing what crazy ass tactics they come up with.
@@BitrateBilly exactly this, he’s not even really loyal to the Empire, they’re just a means to an end with him
That end being to the benefit of the Chiss Ascendancy
Thrawn often respects his enemies, its a key part of his success, he respects his opponents and thus doesn't underestimate them as much as the other imperial officers.
“Genius”
Thrawn gives respect to all his opponents, thats part of what makes him so smart.
Thrawn is one of the if not THE best, most well written and executed characters of the modern Star Wars universe. He is the true successor to the emperor.
He has no force powers. Vader would’ve chocked him in 3 seconds.
@@faisalmemon285 Thrawn took power in the OG trilogy after Vader and Palps died
@@Doomgath Isn’t Rebels between ROS and ANH? Or which show am I thinking of?
@@faisalmemon285 Yes, it is. They were referring to Legends timeline where Thrawn took command after the Emperor died at Endor, although he was around doing anti-rebel stuff before then. In modern canon, Thrawn was missing for the entire Original Trilogy.
@@ArtificialXD So Rebels is Legends and not cannon?
*Thrawn discovers General Dodonna's group is called Massassi*
Thrawn: The Rebel Base is on Yavin IV.
Dodonna: HOW?!
Thrawn: Seriously, dude... I JUST READ A HISTORY BOOK!!!
If it wasn't for 'the ultimate force moments' and incompetence above and below him, he would be unstoppable. He never is utterly defeated like typical villains, his loses always get him one step closer. You only feel like you are delaying the inevitable. Would love to play a SW game with him as the antagonist.
0:55 singlehandedly the most TERRIFYING scene with Thrawn, A) Thrawn B) Sindula C) random officer, A knew who B was and vise-versa and A held C's hand to lead them to B
Incorrect, Syndulla did in fact not know who Thrawn was, thid was their first meeting
We speak English, use their names you don't have to Pythagoras my ass 😭
@@basedmax9029this might be the best yt comment i seen 😂😂😂
@@basedmax9029 but it makes my analogy so much better 😢😢
“They’ll never do him justice in live action.”
Dave Filoni: hold my Kalikori
And then Dave tripped.
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Cap.
I love thrawn so much lol. From the first second i saw him in rebels i was like YUP THIS IS THE BEST IMPERIAL OFFICER EVER.
Had it not been extreme plot armor, Thrawn would have crushed the rebels in rebels.
Bro was playing 5D chess for the empire 💀
Not only that he beat the game strategically
Does that mean the other 8 seconds is him being dumb lol
Nah, just using one less braincell than genius
Nah, it's 8 seconds of plot armor saving rebels
I wish thrawn wasnt taken out in the most cheap fashion in the novels. He was perhaps the smartest strategist in the series.
The most terrifying villains are the smart ones.
Thrawns job (as a character) was to make the empire scary again, after the rebels continually easily outsmart the empire he is the one who actually succeeds, from the capture of them on Ryloth to the battle of Atollon, he's like Vader in series 2. He arrives to be an actual threat, the replacement for Kallus as the next non force sensitive to deal with, while Vader arrives after they take out the inquisitor. He is imo the single greatest threat the empire had to the rebels.
I just love how dumb slavin is in that episode. It was dupposed to introduce thrawn better and it did a great job at it. But even after saying Hera Syndulla and host and showing her painting on the wall the Slavin our good lad didnt figure out that she was Cham Syndullas daughter......
Personally I think the ending of rebels really messed up Thrawns character ark. For those who don’t know the battle of Endor wasn’t the end of the empire. After operation cinder was a failure they actually ended the war pretty well maintaining their core planets and access to their war manufacturing centers like corellia.
I would love to see a series about thrawn navigating the post war empire, rebuilding it from a scattered, insignificant, afterthought, to a force to be reinvigorated force to be reckoned with. Watching him use his cunning and smarts to backstab, steal, and coup the existing imperial command.
I have a trilogy for you.
TBH thrawn created quite a lot of suspense the only reasons why I stayed stuck onto star wars rebels.
5:21 Ezra wearing that helmet was as arrogant as it was stupid.
Taken separately
The theme music tho 🔥🔥🔥
Thrawn’s theme is one of the best in cinema
His theme song in TIE Fighter from 1995 is better
That's our Thrawn.
7:57 - I believe they call this At Attin.
I can’t say I don’t remember no At Attin
I like how l tharwn is so smart he needs a translator in governor price to tell say Constantine what tharwn is saying he would be the empires iron man in a way but more of a strategist qui gon was the Jedis and bane was the siths the only difference was that the sith listened to him and began the rule of 2 and he played on that weakness of sith teaching and the other factions could not understand what they were saying the smarter you are the harder it’s gonna be for people to understand you that’s what these guys weakness are I’d even put dooku on this list
The blue man
Long Live the Empire
HAIL LORD VADER!...
8:56 actually 🤓
Oh hey it's the Civ guy
Are you quite finished 😂
Did u know thrawn has camander grees helemet in his office?!?
I like Thrawn but when a character must play dump for so that thaws seems smart it’s really bad
The thing is the other officers always underestimated the rebels, they didn't act out of character to make Thrawn look better, Thrawn was just that smart.
Actually, the other officers acting stupid is intentional, they arent actually tacticians or good at their jobs, most are just rich assholes who bought their way to the top, so they are easily outmanuevered by the rebels since they actually HAVE competent tacticians since those positions are earned through legitimate effort.
Thrawn is so competent because he got to the top the old fashioned way, if the other officers actually worked their way towards the top instead of just literally being PTW rich folk, they would be in similar levels of competency to him, obviously not 1:1, but they would definitely be able to see more bullshit when its coming.
Funnily enough this exact reason is why Thrawn actually reward individuals despite failure, should they show competence but make a mistake *and* own up to it, he will often reward or teach them better tactics for next time, especially if that failure still has something to salvage, an incident where a tractor beam operator tried creative tactics to catch luke skywalker but failed and Thrawn rewarded his creativity with a promotion both for his quick thinking and for owning up to his failure, whereas another beam operator blamed others for his own incompetency and Thrawn punished him severely.
@@KodyCrimson i know for some this was true but for Yularen is it noch charakter like if he dont see what thrawn see because he is also a very smart charkater and doing thrawn a favor with him acting dump find i perosnally not helping thawns Developmend
And in Ahsoka he was the dumbest mf the Galaxy has ever seen.
Not Disney ruining the 17th thousand fictional character they got access to because they didnt understand them or the story at all
@altogrey9712 *Thrawn falls down, shits himself and starts crying, only to smile to the camera and say : "All according to my plan."*
How’s he’s dumb? He was perfectly in control the entire time. He sent his forces out to eliminate the good guys. Then when he learns Ahsoka’s master was Anakin he has a brief panic and changes the objective to just delaying them long enough for the Chimaera to escape. He still won, even if Ezra stowed away in bored as well.
@@LMVStudios Ok bozo.
@@Ron_Jambo_
Bro you had me rolling with that. Yeah they totally devasted my fav star wars character with the ashoka show. He constantly gets humiliated and does idiotic tactical decision but then acts like that's part of the plan. They made him not only dumb but also delusional.
I mean he had the 3 heroes pinned on the ground while chasing the ship of ashoka but instead of sending a couple of extra TIE to finish the job and destroy all the vehicles of the heroes he finds the only possible way to completly blunder the situation by calling back everyone and letting the heroes reorganise and attack again.
He had an entire imperial star destroyer, 2 siths, an intergallatic cruiser, a bunch of force sensistive witches and some random mercenaries and somehow still failed to contain 3 guys on the ground and a droid in a ship. Congrats to the writers I guess
Was Vader ever in Rebels? He would’ve been more alarming and smart than Thrawn.
Only a couple times, but yes. Vader was more alarming and it was always a situation of “we just need to survive”. Thrawn was the reoccurring “big picture” villain. He was the strategic mastermind focused on hunting rebels. Vader was busy focusing on the Inquisitors and Jedi side of things
@@ArtificialXD Nah. I don’t like this re-imagining of Star Wars. Did this happen under Disney? Darth Vader is the most masterful and strategic mastermind of the Empire. I don’t like the idea of someone being above him. Talking in strict canon of the movies, in ANH Vader was right hand of the Emperor. In ESB and ROTJ he was the commander in charge, and yes I know there was an Emperor. For me, the only Star Wars is the OT.
@@faisalmemon285Thrawn has been a character since only a few years after the OT, if memory serves, with his character being the primary villain of the Thrawn trilogy, which was a direct sequel to the OT (give or take a two or so year timeskip). This was before the Disney canon existed, and falls within the bounds of the old “Expanded Universe.” The Legends continuity.
Thrawn’s reimagining in Rebels follows very closely to his characterization in this trilogy, just timeshifted to during the time of the rule of the Empire. Vader has always been highly competent, but his primary function as a character is fear. He knows how to use it, and he bloodily dismantles his foes accordingly. Thrawn is meant to work in concert with Vader as another of the Emperor’s top agents. However, his skill is as a military mastermind. The other commenter mentioned that Thrawn is a “big picture” thinker, and he narrows in on details based on that.
The two characters have fundamentally different styles of doing things. Vader engages in brutal spectacle to inspire fear and cause his opponents to mess up more and more, creating greater openings. Thrawn, meanwhile, exploits what openings there already are with ruthless efficiency, often identifying weaknesses that his opponents don’t even know they have. One uses the current power to destroy, the other uses his opponents to destroy themselves. Thrawn isn’t “above” Vader. They’re both top agents of the emperor, along with the likes of Grand Moff Tarkin, and their methods differ dramatically.
@faisalmemon285 Thrawn FAR predates Disney. And Vader only showed up a few times, because if he'd been a main villain, the show would've ended like Rogue One.
@ Nothing against you, but all that you have said ruins Star Wars more. Vader is like this and Thrawn is like that. Lucas already killed Vader a lot with Hayden Christiansen. The real Vader is the Vader of Empire Strikes Back. He is more powerful than Yoda and the Emperor (the midichlorian count). Only Luke would be an equal match to him.
Saying all that, I know they have to make more content. But why does everything surround the OT and PT? I hate it when especially the OT is retconned. Like how Rogue One retconned so much. People like Rogue One so I won’t get into it, but like in ANH they show the Death Star laser being used for the first time. Then 40 years later in Rogue One they keep showing the laser being used time and again. Also the plans were “beamed” to Leia and not given by hard drive as shown I Rogue One.
This really amazed people?
Such a nerd....