Here’s a video idea. Would there be any military memorials in the Star Wars universe? Like a preserved Venator available for public visitation like USS Missouri?
When Tharwn comes backs to the star Wars galaxy, I seriously want him to win battles without any plot armor getting in his way, finally showing how dangerous Thrawn's Tactical and strategical mind to it's full potential really is. And now at the defeat in the hands of Ezra possibly his first defeat or one of, Thrawn will ultimately learn from his mistakes and become more powerful than ever before.
Since we can assume that Ezra is his prisoner, perhaps he'll return the favor by making Ezra a slave to his will, as a result. (Or somehow forcefully turning him to the Dark Side, via endless torture or something)
@@CylixTheGamer True. Maybe Thrawn might at least attempt to gain Ezra's support and rally him to his side, by showing him the potential Grysk threat looming over the galaxy.
@@roger632 imho, Rebels set up a long term situation where Ezra and Thrawn need each other to survive. Their past roles as enemies is irrelevant. Thrawn and a Jedi with a decent amount of troops and equipment... what fun!
Interestingly, with Ezra & Thrawn being together it does set up a potential Heir to the Empire storyline. Instead of Jorus C’Baoth, Thrawn could use Ezra as his “dark Jedi” substitute. It does set up some plot lines that would have to be changed, but I think it would be a good transition, considering the series was written way before rebels or clone wars was a thing.
Thrawn was really tactical, reasonable, and just truly smart. But he lost many fights in Star Wars Rebels, because many of his officers failed to co operate with his plans.
Yeah I feel like it made a lot of sense and didn't discount Thrawn as an enemy. When left to his own devices, his plans worked and he nearly destroyed the Rebellion on Atollon. The show laid the groundwork, showing how the Rebellion early on gained a good bit of ground because of Imperial incompetency. Many high-ranking Imperials aside from Thrawn and Kallus underestimated the Rebels and didn't take them as a serious threat. Thrawn at the end of the day was beaten fairly because Ezra used what he had no knowledge of, his main weapon, in against him.
0:22 I'm pretty sure Thrawn wasn't actually exiled. He was only pretending to be exiled so he could attract and sneak onto an imperial ship. He was probably doing this as part a mission by the Chiss to understand the Empire.
No he was Exile because the Chiss needed to blame someone. But it was Thrawn and Ba'kif plan as well so Thrawn can go out and find The Galatic Empire and ask for help from the threat of the Brisk.
Alan must have every star wars vid clip ever on his hard-drive, and all the books probably memorized the first time he read them! Alan has a very respectable obsession and he's a great communicator too, it's like he really is doing this to share his fascination with us, not just to make content and $$$,$$$
I know it’s very unlikely but I want thrawns return to mirror his legends one. Uniting the remnants of the empire and launching a campaign against the NR. Live action massive fleet battles and things like that
@@oXRaptorzXo Palpatine comes back with an insanely large fleet of new Star Destroyers, and shows that he hasn’t given up his obsession with attaching planet-killing super-lasers to his ships. It’s totally Dark Empire.
The 7th Fleet was not too large for Thrawn to control. In fact, I like how he would not expose his entire fleet in one assault or campaign. He was like a space version of the sand people. He likes to hide his fleet's numbers until it is too late. He also liked using unorthodox strategies like the Marg Sabl maneuver. In all, he was like Sherlock Holmes in space when solving issues the empire needed to take care of.
I personally think that there should of been more Tie Defenders as they were so much better than the standard Tie Fighter as for the size of his fleet I think it was just right for someone with his battle style
Unfortunately his tie defenders needed funding, and priority was given to the Death Star, despite the director’s assistant seeing the power and efficiency of the defenders in action against the Grysk warships
@Jack Der Hauptmann💀 interesting idea but there is a problem with that if you remember that all of the prototypes and the people that were working on it joined up with the Rebellion so he wouldn't of been able to get them the same is pretty much said for the Y wing still great suggestion
Actually when Thrawn first appears in the books he had mostly victory class star destroyers because they were quicker an cheaper to build so he could have an use many of them and gave him a better tactical advantage
While true; its also unlikely we would of seen a ship like the resurgent. And Considering his age, I doubt he would of lived to the sequels (Considering he was probably in his mid to late 40s, and then stack up 34 years ontop)
In the 90's Tie Fighter game, which featured Thrawn rising from Vice Admiral to Grand Admiral, his fleet featured Imperial Star Destroyers, Victory Star Destroyers, Interdictors, and Nebulon B Frigates.
Some of the ship lengths and classifications mentioned in the video i think are a bit off. I might be wrong, but from what i know, the Arquitens is exactly 325m long.. and the Immobilizer class SD is misclassified. The real classification is "Immobilizer-418 class heavy cruiser", and its built on the hull of a Vindicator class heavy cruiser, making it exactly 600m long.
You forgot thrawn's greatest weapon. The the old ass Cadillac he keeps in his ship that he uses when he decides to personally whoop your ass from the center of the conflict.
While the Imperial 7th Fleet was large it was way too light on smaller combat ships. (i.e. the patrol cutters, frigates, and light cruisers) So it was very limited in its ability to use such smaller forces and ships as Tripwire Fleet Defence. (i.e. ships of negligible combat value but whose sudden loss would indicate where enemy forces are operating in strength.) thus giving the Ships of the Line a warning of where to look for the enemy to pin down, Hold in place and then destroy said forces.
Well it's more or less the problem of the entire imperial armed forces, they have the function of scare people in submission with a big show of force and aggrade Palpy and his cronies egos...not being functional
honestly no because each star destroyer has an esscort so he prob commanded closer to 300 warships. and than admiral constantines sector fleet wasx also prob few hundred strong cause it covers a sector with 1,000 systems
what a fanstatic post thank you for this , can confirm , the action videos of battles and thrawn sequences are from STAR WARS REBELS ,but comics are these comic from the marvel universe , i am asking where i can get all this brilliant entertainment to view and read /?
To Shorten it Down, Thrawn had: 7th Fleet: 9 Imperial 1st Class Star Destroyers (Including the Chimera) 16 Imperial 2nd Class Star Destroyers 10 Arquiten's Class Command Cruisers 12 Gozanti Class Cruisers 4 Dreadnought Class Heavy Cruisers 2 Inderdictor Class Star Destroyers
Everyone should read the original heritage of the character thrawn, wich is heir to the empire! THAT should be made into movies^^ Maybe the best story in all of Star Wars.
There was no fleet created to protect the 2nd Death Star. They were assembled secretely not to draw attention. Or you really think that the Rebels learn the location of DS-2, but miss the fact that there is fleet protecting it? Quoting Mon Monthma: "With the imperial fleet spread throughout the galaxy in a vain effort to engage us, it is relatively unprotected." Also this proves that no fleet is stationed in most of the sectors, or they would find the Rebels real quick, wouldn't they.
And why palpatine's (the imperial) xenophobia shot them in their own backside. Cause thrawn and vader were worth more than half that military; he lied to the former while treating him horribly and placated the other
I think that what makes Thrawn so compelling and likeable is why he can't win. Thrawn embodies the actual ideals of the Empire on paper and has managed to instill them in his fleet. A actual meritocracy where the most competent and skilled rise to the top and officers aren't worried about some space wizard murdering them for failing to follow impossible and insane order (Vader and the asteroid field anyone?). The issue is if you have a tactical genius who is an effective leader with loyal soldiers and superior hardware then the only reasonable ways he can loose are against someone who can match wits with him, some one who could totally overpower him, or plot armor. The rebels lack the two former, with the exception of maybe Admiral Ackbar, and Jedi maguffins can only be pulled so many times before its emersion breaking, which is pretty much what happens in Rebels tv show and why the ending, to me at least, feels super unsatisfying. He's a bad guy in Disney and he represents a reasonable way for good guys to loose so I doubt we will get to see him again and if we do he certainly won't be the threat he was pre-Disney. Empire Forever!
We're he to return, I have no doubt that he will purge any incompetent personal from his military operations, while at the same time reevaluate the officers into those who could be useful and those who are useless.
Just imagine the first Death Star being protected by a contingent of TIE Defenders. Luke and the Yavin Rebels sent out to attack it likely would've been wiped out.
I think with more specialize ships, TIE/D Defenders, and Lancers…..maybe Imperial Gozanti-class Cruisers retooled for the role… he is better equipped for the outer rim but space whales are hard to trying to defend oneself in the moment.
I wish they didn't give lothal rebels that much plot armor, its very infuriating knowing that an admiral like thrawn, who was essentially given an entire army, and could barely scratch the rebels for the majority of the tv show
Average imperial: this is just a painted helmet Grand Admiral Thrawn: you can quite easily see be the way that the paint is applied that this is the work of Sabine Wren, and what she painted represents ___________.
I want to point out that we do not know if the 7th fleet was lost. We only see 2 Star Destroyers taken out by 5 of the large whales which they did not do instantly and they did not vaporize them. This tells us there were many many more whales that did not descend in the atmo. We did not see them taking out the whole fleet nearly instantly. We only told, "Our ships are just…gone." Not the whole fleet is destroyed and raining down on the plant. Did the whales take the whole fleet into the unknown????? If not why did no one respond did they not have shuttles or escape pods???? So the whales have an attack we've not seen completely destroy ships or they were all warped away before anyone could get clear. Imperial officer: "Sir, several unidentified objects have just entered orbit." Thrawn: "My blockade will intercept them." Imperial officer: "They've destroyed the blockade. Our ships are just…gone." Thrawn: "Get Captain Pellaeon." Gilad Pellaeon: "Sir, they came out of hyperspace! I've never seen…" Imperial officer: "Admiral, we have incoming." ―An Imperial officer, Grand Admiral Thrawn and Captain Pellaeon, upon the arrival of the purrgil
I thought MKII ISD lacked point defense. Thrawn's biggest flaw was not be able to understand politics. Both Chiss and Imperial. hope he comes back as an anti-hero and goes back to help his people.
This is one of many reasons why Thrawn should have been the villain for any sequel stories rather than the incompetence of the First Order and Zombie Palpatine in a trench coat.
Thrawn and his remnants of the empire should have taken a good portion of the new republics territory and fought a long war with them ending in them signing a peace treaty to end the war. Where they would end up coexisting togather which could set up the Yuuzhan vong invasion.
@@ImInSpainWithoutTheS if they do it they should change the Yuuzhan vong back story a little and have them come from the unknown regions. They should also tell the story from the new republic and the remnants of the empires perspective.
@@shadowslayer9988 Why Unknown regions and where? The chiss and the grisk are already there, Them coming from a "Far far away galaxy" makes it a paradox an incredible one.
@@shadowslayer9988 in the "new cannon" the grys take the place of the vong. Thanks to Timothy Zahn. Bless his heart in trying to make eu stuff more awesome.
I mean, he did look *mostly* human still. But yeah, a man skilled in tactics, a love of art, able to notice small details, decent with range weapons, and a skilled hand-to-hand fighter? What's not to love?
They also worked alongside Shistavenan irregulars with some regularity. Although we don’t get to see them often in Star Wars media (which is a shame because seeing a pack of those damn werewolves tear apart or pick off a rebel patrol would be pretty chilling)
@Jack Der Hauptmann💀 Same reason why Maul got double crossed by Pre Vizsla, then betrayed by Bo Katan when he was Manda'lore; to the detriment of his loyal troops. Ultimately this, and the decisions of Duchess Satine, led to the virtual destruction of Mandalore itself.
Man hearing about all that Imperial Hierarchy, Admiralty really makes me want more Imperial Briefing scenes just like in A New Hope. I enjoy listening Galactic command in their British accents talking about deployments, war counselling, planning etc etc etc.
I agree. Its interesting to actually hear them speak about strategy and everything else to do with battle. Its kinda the same with the Senate for me. It brings Star Wars back to reality a little bit lol.
I do admit it was interesting. Keep in mind. Not everyone are like us nor like you. Remember people wanted to watch movies and entertainment not boring talks and talks of strategic and what not.
Its the general census that thats why the Prequels failed(Because of the military,politics etc),I dont like those themes but people didnt 15 years ago and Disneys not going to take that risk
Yep TIE Defenders + more Executor class dreadnoughts. Then send them into wild space to recruit more Chiss into the imperial command structure. The second death star and the Ewoks were such a joke in Episode VI, the second half of that movie was the beginning of the end for cinematic Star Wars. It should have been a raid on Imperial dock yards in orbit around Kashyyyk.
I did some calculation from the imperial handbook. The Death Star housed 2,799,400 personnel, 27,608 secondary weapon systems and 15,264 starships and vehicles, almost half of which were TIE fighters. (7000) The Emperor should’ve funded Thrawn’s TIE fighter program instead of the Death Star, because now the Empire’s down all those resources, not to mention Grand Moff Tarkin, a personal favorite of Palpatine.
There was a part of me hoping all through reading Dark Force Rising (and a "retcon" while watching Rebels) that Palpatine would have given Thrawn a second Executor class dreadnought and a fleet to conquer wild space (maybe in pursuit of some force channeling artifacts), kind of like the Musashi to Vader's Yamato.
Thrawn's only fault is that he wished to teach other officers to see things the way he does and make them better. This works out well 90% of the time, but when he runs into people who refuse to learn like Konstanine, he usually doesn't see it until their idiocy ruins his well laid out plan.
They might combine Legends material for that. In Heir to the Empire, he had Rukh kill a Lieutenant that lost Luke when he pulled a stunt that got him out of the Chimaera's tractor beam. But Thrawn explained afterwards that he couldn't teach someone who had so little a mind in a war which is a zero sum game. The lieutenant had blamed his error on his superior officer instead of taking responsibility for his mistake and working to correct it. Thrawn leaves the superior officer alive because he had made an oversight in training and admitted it. Generally, Thrawn only executes someone who refuses to learn. Sadly many in the Empire are incompetent due to the corruption in the ranks.
He really should have been the star of episodes 7-9. The Thrawn trilogy will always be the true sequals to me. With the remnants of the Empire on the run and the New Republic solidifying their hold he united the remaining fleets and nearly won in the end.
@@madelinegarber7860 that is such an anticlimactic ending and the only reason why Thrawn’s campaign ended that way was because he was too strong. There was not a real way to adequately defeat Thrawn without the excessive blatant use of plot armor.
I would have liked a combination of Thrawn and Isard, as I find them both interesting, and they would understand that the other would seek to eliminate them at some point.
I was unbelievably disappointed when I found out that Grand Admiral Thrawn was NOT the basis of chapters 7+. What a waste of potential! And Walt Disney cheated themselves out of one of the best Characters in all of the Star Wars Universe: Mara Jade. Rey Skywalker (BUNK! BALONEY! HORSE HOCKEY! GOOSE FEATHERS!) couldn’t hold an unlit candle to Mara Jade.
The only thing that surprises me about it is that he would want so many ISD's. I am surprised that he didn't trade with other fleet commanders to get smaller smarter ships for some of those ISD's.
@@power-armoured_german9856 sure it's a fantastic Capital Ship and in fleet to fleet battle is a killer, unfortunely is totally unsuited for the role given her in the Galactic Civil war as she is to expensive and need too many men and frankly they have hardly enough of them as the Galaxy is immense and to fight that kind of war you need something of more mobile and cheap to mantain like the light cruiser of Rebels and Mandalorian
when thrawn returns, i wouldn’t want him to be a villain that gets defeated by the good guys but rather a neutral character or at least an “anti-villain” who has his own agenda and serves to either make deals with the protagonists or serve as a third party i could see him emerging from the unknown regions having either rejoined the chiss, managed an empire of the hand-inspired imperial remnant or a little of both as a pragmatist and an intellectual, it’d make more sense for thrawn to have extremely complex and mysterious but ultimately reasonable goals
Have a kinda Michael Corleone ending huh? Defeats all his enemies and adversaries, and is only burdened and heartbroken for all those lost along the way. Competition wise though, he nevertheless outsmarts both his enemies and the police his entire career as Godfather.
Thrawn's single weakness was his inability to navigate the politics. I don't think he could run an empire unless all of the politically powerful families were somehow destroyed.
I'll actually be shocked if that's not where they go with him. It would make fore better drama, and they're not going to be able to squeeze an entire evil empire between the events of 6 and 7.
I’d love to see him come back and raid the Emperors store houses and the Maw and steal lots of tech and see him use that to his advantage while working with backing from the chiss. Idk what his goal will be but I wanna see those things happen :)
Can't wait to see a live action Thrawn in Star Wars. Also, would you ever consider doing a video on Obi-Wan and his different lightsabers? I think it would be an interesting idea to look into, especially with the Kenobi show starting soon. Keep being awesome!
I'm looking forward to seeing him in live action too but I just pray that they use the voice he had in rebels. it's just so monotone, calm and just chilling. even if they use a different actor as the face and then voiceover using the actor in rebels. it would be perfect
Thrawn’s tactical skill came from studying the culture and art of his Target, learning how they react to things. Such as sneaking a cloaked vessel into a planet’s atmosphere before showing himself, so that the planetary shield appeared to be ineffective against his weaponry. He knew the race he was facing would immediately and unequivocally surrender if they thought their defenses were useless. Literally took a planet with one single turbo laser blast.
That’s from legends, right? Didn’t that trick only work because he had the clone of C’boath on his side, and the Dark Jedi used the Force to help the crews of the different vessels coordinate?
Star Wars has the worst tactics. On the side of rebel command they wasted what ships they had trying to beat a larger force when they could of gone any direction the forward.
@@GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusket I think the battle at the start of Revenge of the Sith has ships in a more 3D battle. Then of course you've got the original Clone wars (The Tartakovsky one) which has I think the same battle but the ships are all in different positions as opposed to Ep3 where they're just on a different levels but all the right way up.
The ISD I's actually have half decent point defense systems, that's why Thrawn favoured the Chimera to any ISD II, he knew the Rebels and he knew of their hit and run roles, that was a large reason as to why he was so effective, he knew the rebels and used the weapons necessary to defeat a mobile force.
If you knew about the first book, you'd know he chose her not because he wanted to be around her especially when he suspected she blew up a city, but he needed her at the time. But at that point she started to outlive her usefulness.
Thrawn's 7th Fleet reminds me of the Coruscant defense Fleet during the Clone Wars, the Kuat Ship Yards defending the unfinished Eclipse class Star Dreadnought, 2nd Death Star fleet... and the Supremacy Mega class Star Dreadnought Fleet. On the other hand... for me on Star Wars Empire at War Forces of Corruption... I mostly had one mega fleet that had the 2nd Death Star and at least 10 of each ship types in the fleet... and the score was around 250... that's massive with Grand Moff Tarkin taking command of the fleet with 6 space fleet commanders
Isn't this because Thrawn is part of the twelve Grand Admirals, so he has more then average forces? Wish Lucasfilm incorporated more of the legends lore. Parts of legends lore was indeed flawed but still pretty cool.
It's more on Thrawn being more comfortable in using less massive ship in exchange for extreme flexibility, again, he's born and raised to fight a naval guerilla warfare.
@@nebunezz_r Thrawn always gave me the vibe, that he likes to have unusual, unused or rare ships or droid, just because opponents would not know how to deal with them.
Thrawn was the only Imperial I routed for, I have mad respect for his character. I knew he had to lose, but I wasn't looking forward to seeing him fall.
Could you do a video about what would happen if the Jedi were successful in stopping Order 66 and Palpatine? I’m just imagining the chaos that would ensue with the power vacuum in the Senate, the Separatists reorganizing, and the clone troopers at risk of being tossed aside earlier than they were, if only by a few months to a few years earlier. I would imagine the only good thing that would happen right away would be the Jedi Order saving their reputation.
They STILL wouldn't and didn't have a reconstituted, well trained and we'll equipped personal non Clone Army of their own.. so toss the whole army out is too basically automatically lose the war... The Seps NEVER knew they was being played as a sham anyways so they'd not stopped they'd just steamrolled it all an took over. Most rest sounds alright but the Clones woulda stuck till end of the war. Just in Palpatine's absence there's not much of a dictatorship or alot more worse orders then "66"
I remember in the old EU a sector fleet was generally 32 victory class/ISDs plus an unspecified number of smaller frigates, assault cruisers and smaller. At least for the core sectors. Admittedly it's not as easy to wrap your head around all those ships and associated fighters in the various games but these smaller fleets don't mesh as well with how the Empire overkills everything, everytime.
Thrawn in the EU (Legends) Was way cooler and scarier in the Novels. He'd make his plans due to a people's artwork. Soo much so that Captain Pellaeon used to compair Admiral Dalla's plans to how Thrawn would do it. Kinda belittleing her, to her face. "That's not how Grand Admiral Thrawn would do it"
The newer Thrawn trilogy is considered Cannon I though. And he's still the same old Thrawn in there, probably even more sympathetic because of the backstory and the Chiss ascendancy connection.
i was always curious as to why Thrawn never had any lancer class ships in his fleet, would have thought he would jump and the chance to add a good number of these ships to bolster his anti fighter defenses for his fleet, especially when dealing with a more mobile fighter dependent rebellion.
If Thrawn would have been in command of the imperial fleet during ESB or ROTJ, then the rebellion would have seriously been in a huge pile pf Bantha Poodoo.
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Can you do a top 10 Features of the Helicarrier from the MCU since you did top 10 flaws with the Hulk buster please.
Please make a video where the galactic republic with the jedi attack earth
Here’s a video idea. Would there be any military memorials in the Star Wars universe? Like a preserved Venator available for public visitation like USS Missouri?
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When Tharwn comes backs to the star Wars galaxy, I seriously want him to win battles without any plot armor getting in his way, finally showing how dangerous Thrawn's Tactical and strategical mind to it's full potential really is. And now at the defeat in the hands of Ezra possibly his first defeat or one of, Thrawn will ultimately learn from his mistakes and become more powerful than ever before.
Since we can assume that Ezra is his prisoner, perhaps he'll return the favor by making Ezra a slave to his will, as a result. (Or somehow forcefully turning him to the Dark Side, via endless torture or something)
@@roger632 Thrawn can be pragmatic, but he is not cruel.
@@CylixTheGamer True. Maybe Thrawn might at least attempt to gain Ezra's support and rally him to his side, by showing him the potential Grysk threat looming over the galaxy.
@@roger632 imho, Rebels set up a long term situation where Ezra and Thrawn need each other to survive.
Their past roles as enemies is irrelevant. Thrawn and a Jedi with a decent amount of troops and equipment... what fun!
Interestingly, with Ezra & Thrawn being together it does set up a potential Heir to the Empire storyline. Instead of Jorus C’Baoth, Thrawn could use Ezra as his “dark Jedi” substitute.
It does set up some plot lines that would have to be changed, but I think it would be a good transition, considering the series was written way before rebels or clone wars was a thing.
Thrawn was really tactical, reasonable, and just truly smart. But he lost many fights in Star Wars Rebels, because many of his officers failed to co operate with his plans.
Yeah I feel like it made a lot of sense and didn't discount Thrawn as an enemy. When left to his own devices, his plans worked and he nearly destroyed the Rebellion on Atollon. The show laid the groundwork, showing how the Rebellion early on gained a good bit of ground because of Imperial incompetency. Many high-ranking Imperials aside from Thrawn and Kallus underestimated the Rebels and didn't take them as a serious threat. Thrawn at the end of the day was beaten fairly because Ezra used what he had no knowledge of, his main weapon, in against him.
@@lilchaos9212 True... Good point.
Welcome to the world of egos im this way Star Wars accurately mirrors life
@@MrBarnettcm Ok???
@@maximomartin2529 dafuq you want? It’s a general statement based off your general assessment lol
0:22 I'm pretty sure Thrawn wasn't actually exiled. He was only pretending to be exiled so he could attract and sneak onto an imperial ship. He was probably doing this as part a mission by the Chiss to understand the Empire.
Yep, you're right. It was shown in Ascendancy book 3
@@inquisitorialcandidate-1237 it was explained in book 1 of the non ascendancy canon Thrawn trilogy
No he was Exile because the Chiss needed to blame someone. But it was Thrawn and Ba'kif plan as well so Thrawn can go out and find The Galatic Empire and ask for help from the threat of the Brisk.
Voluntary exile
Alan must have every star wars vid clip ever on his hard-drive, and all the books probably memorized the first time he read them! Alan has a very respectable obsession and he's a great communicator too, it's like he really is doing this to share his fascination with us, not just to make content and $$$,$$$
I know it’s very unlikely but I want thrawns return to mirror his legends one. Uniting the remnants of the empire and launching a campaign against the NR. Live action massive fleet battles and things like that
I wish
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No you don't. It's like when Disney did dark empire.
Ya know... episode 9.
@@spiffygonzales5899 ep 9 is not dark empire at all besides the fact that palpatine comes back. And Thrawn wouldn’t be handled by those people
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Sure they wouldn't man. Sure they wouldn't.
@@oXRaptorzXo Palpatine comes back with an insanely large fleet of new Star Destroyers, and shows that he hasn’t given up his obsession with attaching planet-killing super-lasers to his ships. It’s totally Dark Empire.
The 7th Fleet was not too large for Thrawn to control. In fact, I like how he would not expose his entire fleet in one assault or campaign. He was like a space version of the sand people. He likes to hide his fleet's numbers until it is too late. He also liked using unorthodox strategies like the Marg Sabl maneuver. In all, he was like Sherlock Holmes in space when solving issues the empire needed to take care of.
Because he knew his enemy, culturally and personally. That on top of his analytical mind made him near impervious.
I personally think that there should of been more Tie Defenders as they were so much better than the standard Tie Fighter as for the size of his fleet I think it was just right for someone with his battle style
Unfortunately his tie defenders needed funding, and priority was given to the Death Star, despite the director’s assistant seeing the power and efficiency of the defenders in action against the Grysk warships
@Jack Der Hauptmann💀 interesting idea but there is a problem with that if you remember that all of the prototypes and the people that were working on it joined up with the Rebellion so he wouldn't of been able to get them the same is pretty much said for the Y wing still great suggestion
@Jack Der Hauptmann💀 huh I thought that all of the plans as well as the prototypes were taken by the Rebellion
@Jack Der Hauptmann💀 hmm hadn't thought of that
I would agree. The lives of those pilots have value, especially if they're experienced combatants.
Can’t wait to see more of Thrawn!! Great video as always!
I just started re reading Thrawn Alliances yesterday. What perfect timing for a Thrawn video!
Alan, my allegiance as well are to the Republic.
But when it comes to Thrawn, I would've fought on the side of the Empire.
Actually when Thrawn first appears in the books he had mostly victory class star destroyers because they were quicker an cheaper to build so he could have an use many of them and gave him a better tactical advantage
And then he acquires most of the Katana fleet as well.
Can you do a top 10 Features of the Helicarrier from the MCU since you did top 10 flaws with the Hulk buster please
Thrawn should have been the founder and leader of the First Order. Further prove there was no plan for the sequel trilogy.
Agree
While true; its also unlikely we would of seen a ship like the resurgent. And Considering his age, I doubt he would of lived to the sequels (Considering he was probably in his mid to late 40s, and then stack up 34 years ontop)
@@Death-bd1tl how long sdo Chiss lives
Rae Sloane's fleet was big enough to rival the 7th fleet
Thrawn would likely win though
But most likely would lose against Thrawn.
In the 90's Tie Fighter game, which featured Thrawn rising from Vice Admiral to Grand Admiral, his fleet featured Imperial Star Destroyers, Victory Star Destroyers, Interdictors, and Nebulon B Frigates.
Thrawn just used anything he could get his hands on.
Thrwn had no problems controlling his Fleet . What he COULDN'T control was an Ezra Bridger with an Axe to Grind .
Ahhh the 90's. The platinum age of television especially sci-fi.
i hope we get Thrawn but the Yuuzhan Vong in the future as well!
Doubt those will return, though the thrawn books have introduced an equally formidable enemy
this is a really good and well made video
Some of the ship lengths and classifications mentioned in the video i think are a bit off. I might be wrong, but from what i know, the Arquitens is exactly 325m long.. and the Immobilizer class SD is misclassified. The real classification is "Immobilizer-418 class heavy cruiser", and its built on the hull of a Vindicator class heavy cruiser, making it exactly 600m long.
You forgot thrawn's greatest weapon.
The the old ass Cadillac he keeps in his ship that he uses when he decides to personally whoop your ass from the center of the conflict.
Love when he pulls that one out
Once we get to see Thrawn again, will we see the Grysk? Also, what will be the condition of both the 7th fleet and Chiss. when we see him?
Keep it up great content
While the Imperial 7th Fleet was large it was way too light on smaller combat ships. (i.e. the patrol cutters, frigates, and light cruisers) So it was very limited in its ability to use such smaller forces and ships as Tripwire Fleet Defence. (i.e. ships of negligible combat value but whose sudden loss would indicate where enemy forces are operating in strength.) thus giving the Ships of the Line a warning of where to look for the enemy to pin down, Hold in place and then destroy said forces.
Well it's more or less the problem of the entire imperial armed forces, they have the function of scare people in submission with a big show of force and aggrade Palpy and his cronies egos...not being functional
Well the main reason his fleet was so large was he needed extra ships to carry the entire Empire.
honestly no because each star destroyer has an esscort so he prob commanded closer to 300 warships. and than admiral constantines sector fleet wasx also prob few hundred strong cause it covers a sector with 1,000 systems
That terachad character
Thank you Tech I will always follow Alan !
what a fanstatic post thank you for this , can confirm , the action videos of battles and thrawn sequences are from STAR WARS REBELS ,but comics are these comic from the marvel universe , i am asking where i can get all this brilliant entertainment to view and read /?
Wait, where did you get 230meters for the Arquintens? Weren’t they like 325ish?
I never realized it was that crazy
To Shorten it Down, Thrawn had:
7th Fleet:
9 Imperial 1st Class Star Destroyers (Including the Chimera)
16 Imperial 2nd Class Star Destroyers
10 Arquiten's Class Command Cruisers
12 Gozanti Class Cruisers
4 Dreadnought Class Heavy Cruisers
2 Inderdictor Class Star Destroyers
What if season 3 of Orville is an werid of the Orville vessel encounters thrawn fleet with Ezra bridger?
Everyone should read the original heritage of the character thrawn, wich is heir to the empire! THAT should be made into movies^^
Maybe the best story in all of Star Wars.
There was no fleet created to protect the 2nd Death Star. They were assembled secretely not to draw attention. Or you really think that the Rebels learn the location of DS-2, but miss the fact that there is fleet protecting it?
Quoting Mon Monthma:
"With the imperial fleet spread throughout the galaxy in a vain effort to engage us, it is relatively unprotected."
Also this proves that no fleet is stationed in most of the sectors, or they would find the Rebels real quick, wouldn't they.
Too bad all the good Imperial officers were all killed by Vader lol
Short Story: Thrawn prefered quantity of Star Destroyers over 1 or 2 Death Stars
Politics of in-cannon chiss ascendancy
Holy shit is that a sierra board behind you? I haven’t seen one of those in over 10 years!
I agree with your assessment.
Cant wait to see Thrawn in live action
And why palpatine's (the imperial) xenophobia shot them in their own backside. Cause thrawn and vader were worth more than half that military; he lied to the former while treating him horribly and placated the other
I think that what makes Thrawn so compelling and likeable is why he can't win. Thrawn embodies the actual ideals of the Empire on paper and has managed to instill them in his fleet. A actual meritocracy where the most competent and skilled rise to the top and officers aren't worried about some space wizard murdering them for failing to follow impossible and insane order (Vader and the asteroid field anyone?). The issue is if you have a tactical genius who is an effective leader with loyal soldiers and superior hardware then the only reasonable ways he can loose are against someone who can match wits with him, some one who could totally overpower him, or plot armor. The rebels lack the two former, with the exception of maybe Admiral Ackbar, and Jedi maguffins can only be pulled so many times before its emersion breaking, which is pretty much what happens in Rebels tv show and why the ending, to me at least, feels super unsatisfying. He's a bad guy in Disney and he represents a reasonable way for good guys to loose so I doubt we will get to see him again and if we do he certainly won't be the threat he was pre-Disney. Empire Forever!
Are any Thrawn's Star wars comic books valuable.
> ...Imperial doctrine heavily favoured the use of battleships.
Emperor confirmed stellaris player.
We're he to return, I have no doubt that he will purge any incompetent personal from his military operations, while at the same time reevaluate the officers into those who could be useful and those who are useless.
Simple Reason:He’s a Grand Admiral
I will never face thrawn 7th fleet
I really like the legends Thrawn I really hope canon brings Thrawn back to his glory
Have you read the new books?? We have more thrawn lore than ever before
Love the Ukrainium Flag on the TV Alan!
Worst disney can do is making Thrawn die / fail in the first series or movie he will appear in next.
How big is the Galactic Empire? I mean if The GE had 25.000 ISD and they had those in "small" 5-10 fleets they had still thousands of fleets.
thrawn was an amazing leader
Just imagine the entire Endor fleet with Tie Defenders 🤯
Just imagine the first Death Star being protected by a contingent of TIE Defenders. Luke and the Yavin Rebels sent out to attack it likely would've been wiped out.
I think with more specialize ships, TIE/D Defenders, and Lancers…..maybe Imperial Gozanti-class Cruisers retooled for the role… he is better equipped for the outer rim but space whales are hard to trying to defend oneself in the moment.
I wish they didn't give lothal rebels that much plot armor, its very infuriating knowing that an admiral like thrawn, who was essentially given an entire army, and could barely scratch the rebels for the majority of the tv show
Is it true Thrawn will be in the Ahsoka Tano series on Disney+? I would love to see him in live-action.
🤔 . . . Honestly, I think it could’ve used something bigger than an Imperial Class Star Destroyer. Maybe a breakdown of that or something?
It would be interisting to see how thrawn would fare in the rebellion
Average imperial: this is just a painted helmet
Grand Admiral Thrawn: you can quite easily see be the way that the paint is applied that this is the work of Sabine Wren, and what she painted represents ___________.
old eu thrawn is smarter better strategist cunning and more badass than the watered down Disney version
Old Eu Thrawn is a Villain Gary Sue with a plot armor great like the second DS...better the Disney version
@@lukedalton 😆 🤣 😂 you probably love rey soywalker Disney thrawn died by an space whale 🐋 childish writing ✍️
@@alsimmonshellspawn6021 honestly she let me indifferent as the fanwanked character like Thraw
@@lukedalton ok dude David filoni is overrated
Thrawn had to be out of the picture because there’s no way the Rebels would have stood a chance with him at Yavin or Endor.
because Thrawn doesn't fuck around. 2 second long video, thank you, goodnight
As a kid before reading about what Star Wars was based of off I had the misguided opinion that the empire was actually based of the Soviet union
I want to point out that we do not know if the 7th fleet was lost. We only see 2 Star Destroyers taken out by 5 of the large whales which they did not do instantly and they did not vaporize them. This tells us there were many many more whales that did not descend in the atmo. We did not see them taking out the whole fleet nearly instantly. We only told, "Our ships are just…gone." Not the whole fleet is destroyed and raining down on the plant. Did the whales take the whole fleet into the unknown????? If not why did no one respond did they not have shuttles or escape pods???? So the whales have an attack we've not seen completely destroy ships or they were all warped away before anyone could get clear.
Imperial officer: "Sir, several unidentified objects have just entered orbit."
Thrawn: "My blockade will intercept them."
Imperial officer: "They've destroyed the blockade. Our ships are just…gone."
Thrawn: "Get Captain Pellaeon."
Gilad Pellaeon: "Sir, they came out of hyperspace! I've never seen…"
Imperial officer: "Admiral, we have incoming."
―An Imperial officer, Grand Admiral Thrawn and Captain Pellaeon, upon the arrival of the purrgil
Disney Thrawn is a joke against the EU Thrawn.
I like to think he was a little force sensitive when you think about it he was mostly to accurate
6:37: 16 Imperial-IIs?
FOR THE EMPIRE
he had not enough arquitens and gozanti ships
poor thrawn, getting killed by his bodyguard was prolly better than ending up in disney canon
I thought MKII ISD lacked point defense.
Thrawn's biggest flaw was not be able to understand politics. Both Chiss and Imperial.
hope he comes back as an anti-hero and goes back to help his people.
nah thrawn is the GIGAchad of imperial command dont fuck with him
This is one of many reasons why Thrawn should have been the villain for any sequel stories rather than the incompetence of the First Order and Zombie Palpatine in a trench coat.
Thrawn and his remnants of the empire should have taken a good portion of the new republics territory and fought a long war with them ending in them signing a peace treaty to end the war. Where they would end up coexisting togather which could set up the Yuuzhan vong invasion.
@@shadowslayer9988 personally, i have a gut feeling something *might* happen like this eventually in live action
@@ImInSpainWithoutTheS if they do it they should change the Yuuzhan vong back story a little and have them come from the unknown regions. They should also tell the story from the new republic and the remnants of the empires perspective.
@@shadowslayer9988 Why Unknown regions and where? The chiss and the grisk are already there, Them coming from a "Far far away galaxy" makes it a paradox an incredible one.
@@shadowslayer9988 in the "new cannon" the grys take the place of the vong. Thanks to Timothy Zahn. Bless his heart in trying to make eu stuff more awesome.
Loved that the Empire was Xenophobic but they were still so impressed by him that he still made top gun
Shows how impressive he is.
I mean, he did look *mostly* human still. But yeah, a man skilled in tactics, a love of art, able to notice small details, decent with range weapons, and a skilled hand-to-hand fighter? What's not to love?
@@calebleach7988 well said
They also worked alongside Shistavenan irregulars with some regularity. Although we don’t get to see them often in Star Wars media (which is a shame because seeing a pack of those damn werewolves tear apart or pick off a rebel patrol would be pretty chilling)
@Jack Der Hauptmann💀 Same reason why Maul got double crossed by Pre Vizsla, then betrayed by Bo Katan when he was Manda'lore; to the detriment of his loyal troops. Ultimately this, and the decisions of Duchess Satine, led to the virtual destruction of Mandalore itself.
Man hearing about all that Imperial Hierarchy, Admiralty really makes me want more Imperial Briefing scenes just like in A New Hope. I enjoy listening Galactic command in their British accents talking about deployments, war counselling, planning etc etc etc.
I agree. Its interesting to actually hear them speak about strategy and everything else to do with battle. Its kinda the same with the Senate for me. It brings Star Wars back to reality a little bit lol.
I do admit it was interesting. Keep in mind. Not everyone are like us nor like you. Remember people wanted to watch movies and entertainment not boring talks and talks of strategic and what not.
Its the general census that thats why the Prequels failed(Because of the military,politics etc),I dont like those themes but people didnt 15 years ago and Disneys not going to take that risk
Definately, just imagine Tarkin saying the remaining rebels will be placed in the British museum
be great but in todays hollywood they wouldnt keep it to the white male theme as Lucas set up for a reason(he based the empire as the Nazis)
The TIE Defender project > the Death Star project
Had they have more tie Defender projects the rebellion would be screwed
By a LOT!
Yep TIE Defenders + more Executor class dreadnoughts. Then send them into wild space to recruit more Chiss into the imperial command structure. The second death star and the Ewoks were such a joke in Episode VI, the second half of that movie was the beginning of the end for cinematic Star Wars. It should have been a raid on Imperial dock yards in orbit around Kashyyyk.
@@anydaynow01If Thrawn was running things during the Battle of Endor, the Empire wouldn't have lost.
I did some calculation from the imperial handbook. The Death Star housed 2,799,400 personnel, 27,608 secondary weapon systems and 15,264 starships and vehicles, almost half of which were TIE fighters. (7000)
The Emperor should’ve funded Thrawn’s TIE fighter program instead of the Death Star, because now the Empire’s down all those resources, not to mention Grand Moff Tarkin, a personal favorite of Palpatine.
The only ship missing from Thrawn's fleet was an anti-space whale cruiser.
What they needed was the Pequod captained by Ahab.
@@charlessaint7926 LMFAO. ISD Pequod, Admiral Ahab
😹😹😹😹😹😹😹😹😹😹😹😹😹
Victory class ISD retrofitted with harpoons perhaps?
There was a part of me hoping all through reading Dark Force Rising (and a "retcon" while watching Rebels) that Palpatine would have given Thrawn a second Executor class dreadnought and a fleet to conquer wild space (maybe in pursuit of some force channeling artifacts), kind of like the Musashi to Vader's Yamato.
Thrawn's only fault is that he wished to teach other officers to see things the way he does and make them better. This works out well 90% of the time, but when he runs into people who refuse to learn like Konstanine, he usually doesn't see it until their idiocy ruins his well laid out plan.
They might combine Legends material for that. In Heir to the Empire, he had Rukh kill a Lieutenant that lost Luke when he pulled a stunt that got him out of the Chimaera's tractor beam. But Thrawn explained afterwards that he couldn't teach someone who had so little a mind in a war which is a zero sum game. The lieutenant had blamed his error on his superior officer instead of taking responsibility for his mistake and working to correct it. Thrawn leaves the superior officer alive because he had made an oversight in training and admitted it. Generally, Thrawn only executes someone who refuses to learn. Sadly many in the Empire are incompetent due to the corruption in the ranks.
He really should have been the star of episodes 7-9. The Thrawn trilogy will always be the true sequals to me. With the remnants of the Empire on the run and the New Republic solidifying their hold he united the remaining fleets and nearly won in the end.
Totally agreed. And I love that he was ultimately killed by his own assassin not the good guys. I hope the same thing happens in the upcoming series.
@@madelinegarber7860 that is such an anticlimactic ending and the only reason why Thrawn’s campaign ended that way was because he was too strong. There was not a real way to adequately defeat Thrawn without the excessive blatant use of plot armor.
I would have liked a combination of Thrawn and Isard, as I find them both interesting, and they would understand that the other would seek to eliminate them at some point.
@@TheGeoCheese True, even Timothy Zahn admitted it.
I was unbelievably disappointed when I found out that Grand Admiral Thrawn was NOT the basis of chapters 7+. What a waste of potential! And Walt Disney cheated themselves out of one of the best Characters in all of the Star Wars Universe: Mara Jade. Rey Skywalker (BUNK! BALONEY! HORSE HOCKEY! GOOSE FEATHERS!) couldn’t hold an unlit candle to Mara Jade.
Because Thrawn is one the best Star Wars villains ever existed.
villain to the rest of the universe, hero to his people.
Best character period!!!
@Jack Der Hauptmann💀 No such thing as a benevolent dictator, cos there's always someone opposing them.
Yeah, I don't see him as a villain.
I place him along with Darths Revan and Malgus
The only thing that surprises me about it is that he would want so many ISD's. I am surprised that he didn't trade with other fleet commanders to get smaller smarter ships for some of those ISD's.
Especially considering how strategically fluid and mobile Rebel Alliance fleet tactics could get.
@@iona2225 I’m honestly surprised thrawn didn’t Star putting forth more resorces to get a hold of more types of fighters for more versatility
That's because contrary to rebel Propaganda the ISD is a fantastic Capital ship
@@power-armoured_german9856 sure it's a fantastic Capital Ship and in fleet to fleet battle is a killer, unfortunely is totally unsuited for the role given her in the Galactic Civil war as she is to expensive and need too many men and frankly they have hardly enough of them as the Galaxy is immense and to fight that kind of war you need something of more mobile and cheap to mantain like the light cruiser of Rebels and Mandalorian
@@lukedalton if I recall the high crew was intentional to keep people to have jobs
when thrawn returns, i wouldn’t want him to be a villain that gets defeated by the good guys but rather a neutral character or at least an “anti-villain” who has his own agenda and serves to either make deals with the protagonists or serve as a third party
i could see him emerging from the unknown regions having either rejoined the chiss, managed an empire of the hand-inspired imperial remnant or a little of both
as a pragmatist and an intellectual, it’d make more sense for thrawn to have extremely complex and mysterious but ultimately reasonable goals
Have a kinda Michael Corleone ending huh? Defeats all his enemies and adversaries, and is only burdened and heartbroken for all those lost along the way. Competition wise though, he nevertheless outsmarts both his enemies and the police his entire career as Godfather.
Thrawn's single weakness was his inability to navigate the politics. I don't think he could run an empire unless all of the politically powerful families were somehow destroyed.
@@alanfriesen9837 That was in Zahn's later books where he made Thrawn a nice guy. Not in his original trilogy.
I'll actually be shocked if that's not where they go with him. It would make fore better drama, and they're not going to be able to squeeze an entire evil empire between the events of 6 and 7.
I’d love to see him come back and raid the Emperors store houses and the Maw and steal lots of tech and see him use that to his advantage while working with backing from the chiss. Idk what his goal will be but I wanna see those things happen :)
Can't wait to see a live action Thrawn in Star Wars. Also, would you ever consider doing a video on Obi-Wan and his different lightsabers? I think it would be an interesting idea to look into, especially with the Kenobi show starting soon. Keep being awesome!
That would be interesting, especially since Allen is selling them on the black market. 🤨
Different lightsaber ? He got like 2...
I'm looking forward to seeing him in live action too but I just pray that they use the voice he had in rebels. it's just so monotone, calm and just chilling. even if they use a different actor as the face and then voiceover using the actor in rebels. it would be perfect
@@grandadmiralthrawn9231
Iacta alea est, it is Lars Mikkelsen, his bio looks good for the part.
Please no obi wan stuff until the obi wan atrocity Disney calls a series has faded into history and been recognized as bad fan fiction.
Thrawn’s tactical skill came from studying the culture and art of his Target, learning how they react to things. Such as sneaking a cloaked vessel into a planet’s atmosphere before showing himself, so that the planetary shield appeared to be ineffective against his weaponry. He knew the race he was facing would immediately and unequivocally surrender if they thought their defenses were useless. Literally took a planet with one single turbo laser blast.
That’s from legends, right? Didn’t that trick only work because he had the clone of C’boath on his side, and the Dark Jedi used the Force to help the crews of the different vessels coordinate?
@@banzeyegaming2234 exactly, it’s still a super fun idea tho :)
Star Wars has the worst tactics. On the side of rebel command they wasted what ships they had trying to beat a larger force when they could of gone any direction the forward.
@@GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusket I think the battle at the start of Revenge of the Sith has ships in a more 3D battle. Then of course you've got the original Clone wars (The Tartakovsky one) which has I think the same battle but the ships are all in different positions as opposed to Ep3 where they're just on a different levels but all the right way up.
The ISD I's actually have half decent point defense systems, that's why Thrawn favoured the Chimera to any ISD II, he knew the Rebels and he knew of their hit and run roles, that was a large reason as to why he was so effective, he knew the rebels and used the weapons necessary to defeat a mobile force.
If the late Governor Arynda Pryce hadn’t screwed up on Lothal, she and Thrawn would’ve been a power couple.
I bet Pryce would overstep her bounds and piss off Thrawn at some point.
If you knew about the first book, you'd know he chose her not because he wanted to be around her especially when he suspected she blew up a city, but he needed her at the time. But at that point she started to outlive her usefulness.
He didn't even wanted her
I always though it was because he was a grand admiral and won many battles
Thrawn's 7th Fleet reminds me of the Coruscant defense Fleet during the Clone Wars, the Kuat Ship Yards defending the unfinished Eclipse class Star Dreadnought, 2nd Death Star fleet... and the Supremacy Mega class Star Dreadnought Fleet.
On the other hand... for me on Star Wars Empire at War Forces of Corruption... I mostly had one mega fleet that had the 2nd Death Star and at least 10 of each ship types in the fleet... and the score was around 250... that's massive with Grand Moff Tarkin taking command of the fleet with 6 space fleet commanders
The Supremacy or whatever isn't canon.
@@Blitzwing-ne1ru okay that doesn't stop me from liking a huge sizable fleet in Star Wars now can I?
@@Blitzwing-ne1ru Doesn’t stop a cool ship from being a cool ship.
Isn't this because Thrawn is part of the twelve Grand Admirals, so he has more then average forces? Wish Lucasfilm incorporated more of the legends lore. Parts of legends lore was indeed flawed but still pretty cool.
I think it's more that Thrawn had no issue using different types of ships. His fleet is pretty unique in that sense.
It's more on Thrawn being more comfortable in using less massive ship in exchange for extreme flexibility, again, he's born and raised to fight a naval guerilla warfare.
@@nebunezz_r Thrawn always gave me the vibe, that he likes to have unusual, unused or rare ships or droid, just because opponents would not know how to deal with them.
Thrawn was the only Imperial I routed for, I have mad respect for his character. I knew he had to lose, but I wasn't looking forward to seeing him fall.
Could you do a video about what would happen if the Jedi were successful in stopping Order 66 and Palpatine? I’m just imagining the chaos that would ensue with the power vacuum in the Senate, the Separatists reorganizing, and the clone troopers at risk of being tossed aside earlier than they were, if only by a few months to a few years earlier. I would imagine the only good thing that would happen right away would be the Jedi Order saving their reputation.
That sounds like a great video.
They STILL wouldn't and didn't have a reconstituted, well trained and we'll equipped personal non Clone Army of their own.. so toss the whole army out is too basically automatically lose the war... The Seps NEVER knew they was being played as a sham anyways so they'd not stopped they'd just steamrolled it all an took over. Most rest sounds alright but the Clones woulda stuck till end of the war. Just in Palpatine's absence there's not much of a dictatorship or alot more worse orders then "66"
I remember in the old EU a sector fleet was generally 32 victory class/ISDs plus an unspecified number of smaller frigates, assault cruisers and smaller. At least for the core sectors. Admittedly it's not as easy to wrap your head around all those ships and associated fighters in the various games but these smaller fleets don't mesh as well with how the Empire overkills everything, everytime.
Thrawn is too good for Disney to handle.
Thrawn in the EU (Legends) Was way cooler and scarier in the Novels. He'd make his plans due to a people's artwork. Soo much so that Captain Pellaeon used to compair Admiral Dalla's plans to how Thrawn would do it. Kinda belittleing her, to her face. "That's not how Grand Admiral Thrawn would do it"
Agreed. Anything in the EU is a million times better than canon.
The canon stuff is actually super cool, especially the first book.
@@oXRaptorzXo until he gets beaten by plot armour that makes rey's look weak
@@twat9192 in the books he isn’t beaten that’s just in rebels because it’s a kids show
The newer Thrawn trilogy is considered Cannon I though. And he's still the same old Thrawn in there, probably even more sympathetic because of the backstory and the Chiss ascendancy connection.
i was always curious as to why Thrawn never had any lancer class ships in his fleet, would have thought he would jump and the chance to add a good number of these ships to bolster his anti fighter defenses for his fleet, especially when dealing with a more mobile fighter dependent rebellion.
If Thrawn would have been in command of the imperial fleet during ESB or ROTJ, then the rebellion would have seriously been in a huge pile pf Bantha Poodoo.