50HP To 5000HP | Choosing Your Head Gasket | SCE Gaskets [TECH TALK]
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- Опубліковано 25 лип 2024
- If you’re running 3000HP at 150PSI of boost or 30HP at 0PSI it doesn’t matter, you’re going to need to seal that combustion pressure inside the cylinder, however, the way you do this is going to be very different depending on those big, or small power levels.
Ryan Hunter of SCE Gaskets runs us through all of the essential pros and cons when it comes to the advantages of composite, Multi-Layer Steel (MLS), Vulcan Cut Ring and Copper O-ring head cylinder sealing gaskets covering all engine outputs from high output Top Fuel drag cars to your low output economy class street vehicles.
Also discussed is the potential ability to reuse MLS gaskets and what you need to pay careful attention to in order to do this safely, the way Viton coating is currently being used and the research around improving that and why a composite gasket will not cope with a high output, high compression engine and also interestingly why the head gasket for this task will not be reliable when it comes to coolant and oil sealing in a low output application.
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00:00 - Introduction
00:30 - Composite Gaskets
02:00 - MLS Gasket, Multi Layer Steel
03:00 - Cylinder Lift/Gasket Memory
04:12 - MLS Gasket Coating, Viton
05:07 - Reusing A MLS Gasket?
06:21 - Vulcan Cut Ring Intro
06:50 - Copper O’Ring Gasket
10:45 - Vulcan Cut Ring Revisited
12:43 - Composite vs MLS In Cut Ring Gasket
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Man can we get this guy on more! He is a great talker, and speaks just the right amount of technical
You know it’s a great interview when the interviewee’s eyes light up in surprise to the questions being asked. Machining tolerance and deck surface RA Is also a very important factor in selecting a suitable headgasket.
Dumb question here...
What is 'deck surface RA'?
@@trevorvanbremen4718 Until someone pipes up with a more technically astute answer about the details, deck surface RA means the smoothness of the deck surface. RA is a measurement of surface roughness in millionths of an inch or something.. Lol
Just for you @Trevor I'll do a community post on deck clearance shortly which is not quite the same topic, but you still might enjoy it. Should pop up here: ua-cam.com/users/learntotunecommunity
Deck Surface RA (roughness average) is as @Hammerhaus mentioned (cheers mate!) and is important in relation to your head gasket as if it is too smooth the gasket might slip/move on the surface potentially causing leak/s, and if it's too rough it might not seal correctly to start with leading to the same or other issues - Taz 👨🏻
Thanx Hammerhaus and HPA...
I didn't know what RA stood for, but DID know of the concept.
Finally! A sales/tech rep that appreciates and properly uses the format of a HP Academy interview
Really great interview with lots of good info. Love how Ryan complimented you on the questions and technical knowledge. Was fun seeing him get a little excited to answer and talk, and really shows that he has got a lot of passion for what he works with.
SCE coming back strong. The power levels are starting to get ridiculous, in a good way.
This is genuinely one of the top 3 tech talk interviews you guys have done. The interview with the rep from diamond pistons about piston tech, and proline racing about block and head sealing have to round out the top 3. Really well spoken, informed and flowing interview, with him unpacking info really well without you having to draw it out of him.
This is the first guy Andre has interviewed that I believe is on his same wave length, hahaha. Most people Andre is putting words in their mouth as he asks them questions because he knows more about their product than they do hahaha
Yes Ryan is on the ball and obviously very interested and passionate about what he does. Sometimes it appears Andre is doing that but really 98% of people he chats to know what they are talking about. Some just struggle explaining it on camera at a level that isn't quite how they would if they were talking to another engineer or a mate over a beer, so go easy of them 😉 - Taz.
This might be one of my favorite episodes on this channel. Very technical and easy to understand also the guy being interviewed is very passionate about what he's doing. Great interview as always 👍
This is one of the best interviews I've seen... great questions and even better answers... well done.. television stations take note, these guys do it better than you do.
Appreciate the support and glad you enjoyed this one 🙌
It was great seeing Ryan visibly excited at the questions being asked, it's a testament to the quality of questions you guys ask. Great interview with great energy, I picked up some great info. This channel is a blessing to the car community.
Our pleasure! Thanks for the praise and glad you enjoyed it Roger. Couldn't do it without people like Ryan spending some time with us and being able to answer questions like that so well too - Taz.
Team HP Academy, awesome video and just picking the knowledge off this dude! Interesting how there is so much information and technology being required for the various gasket applications and there is no one size fits all here. Curious if anyone would run receiver grooves and copper o-ring and just ditch the gasket all together. Will probably need the steady hands of a skilled watch maker for receiver grooves for the coolant passages. Outstanding video Team HP Academy👏!
I watched this day one... and watching it again in 2022. Sounds like a politician hahaha! 😐😐😐
Excellent speaker.
Lols you cannot beat old gold technology.
Takes effort especially measuring, cutting and carefully tapping in piano wire in your head.
This is a great video all the way around. You can tell that SCE representative is sharp as a tack and he’s passionate about the subject material at his job and then of course Andre’s extremely sharp, as well and he obviously from research/experience/on the spot problem solving, and had some good questions to ask and that sce rep was like ohhh yay, someone I can talk to. Lol. All the way around great video.
Awesome as always. Thanks Andre and team!
What an awesome video. Very good questions. Great answers. Very smart people! Thanks for making this!
Awesome questions and awesome answers!
Very precise technical speaking. Thats what i love to hear thanks for that great video. :)
Another informative interview, always something to learn - it seemed the gentleman also enjoyed getting some informed questions, rather than the pap he probably gets on a regular basis.
Good acknowledgement of the 'spring' that affects sealing - most people don't realise the head bolts/studs are basically very strong tension springs pulling the head against the block and compressing the gasket. With enough cylinder pressure there can be enough force exerted against those fasteners to weaken the gasket clamping force to the point where combustion gasses can escape - why we use stronger bolts, they won't stretch as much, maintaining the clamping force.
i love watching your videos 😘
This was an awesome interview 👌👏👏
Nice interview, very informative.
Great information; good questions and answers. Thank you.
Great videos!!! Here in Brazil, Vw used composite gasket in Ea827 Ethanol version with 12,3:1 CR for decades. Maybe the slow burn and knock suppression of E100 allowed this. But in 1997, when they launched the fuel injection and raised the gasoline version from 8,5:1 to 10,5:1 CR, they started to use MLS gasket.
Cool to see sce gasket interview i
am using their copper gaskets
Excellent questions and equally excellent answers. Top video. Thanks!
Cheers mate, glad you enjoyed it - Taz
Exactly what I wanted to know. Thank you.
What a fantastic interview!! Very helpful!
Glad you enjoyed it and cheers for the support dude - Taz.
Awesome interview
That was an extremely interesting and informative interview, very well done
Thanks mate! Glad you enjoyed this one too. My personal favourite from this PRI show so far I reckon - Taz.
Super informative! I know nothing, so I this really helps!
Thanks to you, My new Mazworx engine and car are at the shop getting ready for the install. Darton MID sleeves for my VQ37VHR. Your Mazworx interview was also awesome.
That's awesome! Not long to go before she's up and running eh! - Taz.
@@hpa101 Noop, old motor with a blown headgasket is coming out now.
Fing awesome interview dude.
Well stated.i gained some knowledge
Awesome channel....🔧
This guy has such a nice voice to listen to and definitely knows what he talks about.
Great content!
Great video! Thanks!
Cheers Dominik, hope you're keeping well 🤘
no snatching 2nd there. excellent interview once again Andre!
Nah, slotted nicely into 4th this time :)
proper tech talk :D
This guy is awesome!!
We were stoked he gave us some of his time and hope to talk to him again in the future 🤓 - Taz.
@ 7:05 .. Farm Truck !
@ 13:12 .. Bye Bye Farm Truck !
Awesome video, Thank you for all the excellent questions and answers.
The hat was unmistakable
LMAO! More 'background action' than a Spaceballs movie!
What a perfect video, i was about to put a copper head gasket on my next build but I don’t want the seepage so screw that
Thanks for the info. As the Wills ring company in the UK have had a management meltdown and more than doubled the unit price and the German company that says "they can make the same item", they can't!!!
If these guys can make small batches (100 ish) at a realistic price, they will be world leaders
Fantastic video! : )
Cheers mate, I really enjoyed this one too. When the interviewee is passionate about what they're talking about like Ryan is it always shines through to make a really great interview 😎 - Taz.
@@hpa101 Exactly my thoughts! This is why I love those interwievs so much, people with passiaon talk about things they like. Oh and also BIG part that makes magic here is... interwievwer : ) Always knowing how to make conversation such bliss to listen with on point question and knowledge : )
Noticed Driver of the beast known as Farm truck fretting people in the background of the booth
So vulcan cut ring head gasket + orings colud be a way to save Mustang 2.3 ecoboost engine? Awsome videooo
Great info on the stainless ring style gasket. Will this be btr than using oring with mls gasket? Looking forward for an answer on this.
Great info. wish there was a link but I will find them.
Did Porsche use a steel o-ring head gasket for the Porsche 9R9 V4 Turbo Hybrid engine? The markings on the cylinder head seems to me similar to the Vulcan cut-ring head gasket.
Best gasket video on UA-cam? Maybe!
High praise! Doesn't 100% cover everything as the interview would need to be much, much longer, however, great detail from Ryan on the topics himself and Andre do cover eh! Hope to catch Ryan or another of the SCE Gaskets team again in the future - Taz.
What's the best way to seal my copper head gasket from coolant leak on a turbo modified 2003 Chrysler Town & Country 3.8L LXi? Not sure if I can run it without coolant.
Love how the Farm truck owner walks in mid interview.
Maybe a newbie question but could a cut ring be considered a refinement of the fire rings on a composite head gasket? What about a composite gasket with thicker fire rings.
Don’t forget about us old ball guys with Oldsmobile and Pontiac 455 . Also our Harleys need a good fire ring!
Hey mate, how do i found out the bore size of my cylinder. Do i measure the piston?. Or can I use littl bit bigger bore size gasket
I didn't have the money or requirements for a mls head gasket. Not available for my engine unless I got it made.
My solution was a compasite gasket for the water and oil seal and had a 1.4 mm wire pinched into the fire ring
so is a copper gasket no good unless it has the receiver ring in the head and the block?
Could I use a copper gasket with 2 mls gaskets, 1 top and 1 bottom to help with cold oil and water sweat, and have good sealing. Or 1 copper gasket sandwiched between 2 mls gaskets. Pls help, trying to lower my compression without touching the bottom end.
Does SCE make a firelock gasket for the b58? So far for the b58 only firelock gasket on the market is by a market leacher Visconti Tuning for 2000 dollars.
7.07 looked like Farm Truck walks by in the background
I like gasket unlimited for air cooled engines and he can make about any head gasket also
Cooper spray gasket on head gasket will damage the cylinder head .tested.
I don't know about copper gasket...
I think wire insert the block engine is the best solution .
I'm not sure what copper spray you've had issues with but we've used this on a variety of different engine combinations and it does not affect the head. It's a pita to clean up on disassembly but only requires some time and brake clean or isopropyl alcohol and a rag. As covered in this video, there really isn't a 'best' solution. It's very dependent on the application - Andre
@@hpa101 I got a galvanized reaction on a k series engine.
Let's talk about Ring grooves for the rings that he was talking about the copper rings for high boost.
This SCE Rep. is politely saying...only an idiot would reuse a head gasket. 🙂
Regards,
Ben
Any pros and cons of using a gasket spray on glue? I know loctite sell these types of products..
Always follow the gasket manufacturer's recommendations and if there is doubt or questions contact the gasket manufacturer for additional support.
This is something that's normally combined with the likes of a copper gasket (which does a terrible job on its own of sealing oil and water). SCE have their own solution with some of their copper gasket range as it has a rubber seal around the coolant/oil passages. The head gasket 'glues' won't really help your cause if you're lifting the head though.
Damn I wish this info was available long ago I would have saved myself Plenty of head gaskets
what about copper spray on a composite gasket? is it good?
Copper spray is a bandaid for a problem not a solution. Should never be used with good surfaces and new gaskets.
I use it. The only time you really don’t wanna use it is when everything is machined and perfect with a MLS gasket. I’d recommend it for a composite gasket for OEM applications.
Stainless steel ring on aluminium head, are they concerned with galvanic corrosion?
i would ask same with copper-aluminium system.. like spraying on copper on mls headgasket which doesnt have viton surface as shown on video
No.
Professionally we have successfully used SCE SS rings, copper rings and solid copper gaskets on iron block + iron head, iron block + aluminum head and aluminum block + aluminum head for decades without galvanic corrosion issues.
We rarely ever use a copper-bearing spray on head gaskets over the last 15+ years.
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we found a ""hack" with your standard MSL headgasket. if you for some reason cant get a new one just throw 2 layers of rattle can black paint on both sides. put it back on. it will work. not great but it will work. its best to replace it with a new one just so we are clear and it does make staring a bit harder but it does work in an emergency situation. it is a hack and only if you cant get a new headgasket.
So if I have a 300hp boosted Scion tc, the best one to go for would probably be MLS?
Hello Jeziel Perez, It's really up to you. If you plan to boost in excess of 16lbs, I strongly recommend their MLS. If you stay below 16lbs of boost, I recommend their Vulcan Cut-Ring. It would be very important to know your "final" compression ratio; with boost factored in. Such charts can be found on the internet.
I researched & found SCE rates their Vulcan Cut-Ring Head Gasket with equal cylinder sealing strength as their coated MLS head gasket; up to 16lbs of boost.
But their Vulcan Cut-Ring seems to have better head surface sealing for liquid-cooled heads.
My Super-Charged, Big Block Chevy will never see 16lbs of boost. So, I chose Vulcan C.R.
I have the cylinder seal strength I want & quality head sealing of their high-tech composite. Hopefully, this information is helpful to you.
Respectfully,
Ben
@@duygukayhanisaskank4915 thank you boss appreciate it. I’ll definitely look into it
Wait , im running an all aluminium clevland on the street with copper head gaskets with copper sealer & im not seeing coolant leaks . Am i just lucky ?
Could be one of a few things.
1.) You are not pushing/stressing your engine to the point it is an issue.
2.) Using products that give you a higher chance of failure give just that, a higher chance. There is no guarantee things will fall apart every single time at the exact same power level with the same issue, there is just the applicable probability of it happening, or not.
3.) Regarding point 2, yes, you may just have been lucky so far depending on other factors. You might never have an issue for the life of the engine, it might let go tomorrow.
Basically it is not always just black and white, do this it fails, do this it works, but more what you do and don't do to give you the best chance of producing solid power from your chosen setup reliably - Taz.
What do you recommend for a diesel engine running on CNG .
I work on a fleet of 35 trash trucks that puts in head gaskets weekly.
We don't have any CNG content sorry. You will have to do some data collection and failure analysis on the issue as there isn't one single issue that can cause a head gasket to fail - Taz.
@@hpa101 these are composite gaskets with a cramped on metal ring.
We see the metal ring fail mostly but we also see some with external coolant leaks.
I've always been biased towards MLS gaskets for any engine I've built. some MLS gaskets I've been able to use up to 3 times!😳
What best size gasket for turbo car
There isn't a hard and fast rule, it depends on the engine and what you are doing with it as simply having a turbocharger fitted doesn't really mean a whole lot as a piece of information by itself.
Get your details together and talk to your head gasket supplier and engine builder if you're using one etc would be my advice. They might have questions that make you realize you still have a lot of other things to work out and consider before you even get to this point.
If you are learning to build your own engine via our course material this is discussed and it is something we can help you with via the members only forum too, however, I wouldn't sign up just for this question or if you don't plan to do some of the work yourself as that is where the value comes from with HPA - Taz.
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@@hpa101 ya since my piston cr8:0:1 should i put a gasket 1.8mm
Don't understand why they dont just use a sleeve, like a large dowel guide between block and head.