Batman v Superman - Nostalgia Critic
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- Опубліковано 19 кві 2016
- Angry Joe helps the Nostalgia Critic take a look at the crossover everybody wanted but nobody returned to see again.
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By the way, Wonder Woman was in this review
hello
+CAPTAIN-WOLF from the other siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiide!
Aquaman's in the movie!
+BillFrypher hello
+Anthony Nunez This thread is about Wonder Woman.
Best line in the whole video
"We barely have a reason to hate each other except we hate the fact that the other one kills...I'LL KILL YOU FOR THAT."
I really liked "Nut up."
"Okay!"
Haha!
What're you talking about! This movie was just too deep for you to understand!
-Obnoxious Fans
+jagarcia0705 Superboy Prime reference.
People die if they are killed!
Funny thing is, when I watched Avengers: Endgame, I was reminded of Joe's rant about Superman's Death at the end. Tony Stark's death is EXACTLY what Joe wanted to see for Superman. Has 22 movies to develop (granted he's not in all of them, but he's a present part of the universe throughout), goes out like a badass saving the day, and has the Avengers at his funeral.
We got there eventually, Joe. Maybe not with Superman, or even DC, but we got there.
This is why I hated The Fellowship of the Ring. Gandalf's death was wasted because they didn't make a trilogy for Gandalf prior.
@@zhengyingli atleast they made gandolf a good character, while superman was a two dimensional character in MoS and in BvS he's straight up just a walking plot point
@@zhengyingli But he died in the Fellowship of the Ring book. What were you hoping for exactly; a Hobbit film before the Lord of the Rings films?
@@matthewmuir8884 I was hoping for a solo movie for each of the dwarves, Gandalf and Bilbo.
@@zhengyingli How exactly? The fifteen dwarves aren't given nearly enough for each to have a solo film, and Bilbo's adventure is The Hobbit, and the fifteen dwarves and Gandalf are vital for The Hobbit. I hope you're joking, because that doesn't make sense.
“Joe explains a goood death scene”
Marvel: write that down write that down
Yes
“Genius!”
Wait that's how from angry how show lol
Really because for the most part the death scenes in the MCU have been pretty shitty and the character usually ends up being brought back to life anyway thus invalidating said death scene
@@AncapOtaku Not really seeing as only s few were fake outs or resurrections. Most of the deaths were real.
"I don't know Commissioner Alfred" LOL
Is there a joke there? I'm afraid I don't get it.
Morgan Gobin ....whaa?
"I don't know Commissioner Alfred". I was wondering why you were laughing at that line. I thought it was a joke I didn't understand.
+Morgan Gobin LoL you dont know who Commissioner Alfred is?
+Sean Bowen No, no I do not. Can someone please explain? I'm so confused!
"You know what I wanna see!? I wanna see the Justice League at his funeral, but now I can't! I wanna see a hero slowly stripped of his life in the ultimate battle instead of just being stabbed in one swoop, but now I can't! I wanna build a connection with this Superman the same way he built a connection with me in hundreds of stories, but now I can't! I want to fear that this might be the time that Superman doesn't make it back, but now I can't! How many comics were there before Superman died? Hundreds! _Thousands!_ And how many movies did you make with him? _Two!_ You killed him in two movies and you _barely_ even focused on him! You know what I wanna see? I wanna see you _EARN_ Superman's death! This isn't fucking Jimmy Olsen. This is *_GODDAMN SUPERMAN!_* HE DESERVES YOUR TIME AND RESPECT!!!"
...👏...👏...👏...
Jarek Gunther *claps in agreement*
Honestly, that was one of the best parts of the review. Trust me, I would clap at this scene like every time it was on.
My only objection is that Jimmy Olsen has been a character--with his own comic run, no less--almost as long as Superman, and longer than Marvel has been a *company*. He deserves respect, too.
RikoZerame he was trying to make the point that superman is more iconic and more well known than jimmy olsen. But i do agree with est on that thing joe said, especially the connection and the ultimate final battle. Even superman:doomsday, if you find it good or bad did take a long time to kill superman completely making us feel more for him since we see how hard he tries to keep us all safe even if he doesn't completely succeed
ilopominecrafter I just have a soft spot for Jimmy Olsen. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ The fact that Snyder appears to have killed him off just because people didn't like his Rule 63 version peeves me off.
Joe’s wants:
• The team of a dead superhero at his funeral.
• The superhero to be wrecked before dying.
• To build a connection with this hero.
• To fear that this superhero will never come back.
• The superhero’s death to be earned because of so much focus being put on him throughout several movies.
MCU: Check, check, check, check, and check. Take notes DCEU.
Ultra Instinct God best comment
Lofous Cramwell Why thank you! It’s true though, am I right? Especially since (SPOILER ALERT)
Superman started the DCEU and Iron Man started the MCU.
@@supersaiyanfox9190 Yes u r exactly right!!!
Arrowverse: Check
@@lofouscramwell8236 no it fcking isn't shut the fcking hell up bot🖕
Joe basically wanted the earned death for superman that iron man got in endgame.
So Joe didn't watch BvS?
Joe’s wants:
• The team of a dead superhero at his funeral.
• The superhero to be wrecked before dying.
• To build a connection with this hero.
• To fear that this superhero will never come back.
• The superhero’s death to be earned because of so much focus being put on him throughout several movies.
MCU: Check, check, check, check, and check. Take notes DCEU.
@Torika Gomutsutchi are you an idiot
@The Brightest Knight I'd rather see them "copy" the MCU rather than shove a bunch of stories into one movie, and pretend like this was a much better way of telling each heroes' stories. Superman could have used another movie. This version of Batman needed a movie or two, and Wonder Woman's first movie should have come out before BvS. They could have killed Superman after the first JL movie and revived him for a second JL movie.
If you think about it, Marvel knocked it out of the ball park twice with the death of Iron Man and Wolverine. And they’re done by two different studios.
The guy who played Zack Snyder in this was hilarious😂😂
+Jimmy Darmody He hosts our new show, Awesome Comics. Check him out - ua-cam.com/play/PL0AQIMR-tpokRO4AEE6yxO8I8s33jsyMS.html
+Channel Awesome What's next?, The Joker is Lex?
And while we're on the subject, props to whoever played Lex in this, he was hilarious!
+Commander144 I really want to know who played Lex in this review. He's the best part by far.
+PoisonClaw4 Jessie esenburg
Angry Joe :”How many comics were there before Superman died?”
Zack Snyder: “They made Superman comics?”
Zack Snyder would've asked if Ayn Rand wrote the comics
FATFLECK IS THE WORSE BATMAN WITH ADAM WEST
@@alexgrahamwyss7479 Affleck was better than Christian "throat cancer* Bale
@@godot8694 yes and no. the voice is kind of funny but i think bale is a better bruce wayne
@@alexgrahamwyss7479 adam west was amazing everything is better than fatfart
7:44 Alfred wanting grandkids, even though he’s not related, is both precious and hilarious.
Blood Related no, but as weve seen time and again, Alfred is his Father, as Batman is the Robin's Father.
@@RoseEclipz I know.
@@trasegorsuch5140 Alfred may not've been his father, but he was his daddy.
In Teen Titans Go! To the movies, when Batman and Superman hugged because their moms had the same name, I thought it was a made up joke. Turns out I was wrong...
You know a scene is bad when Teen Titans Go of all things makes fun of it.
@@craftymasterproductions4218 I mean, teen Titans go! To the movies literally made fun of all the DC movies at some point
That movie is probably one of DC's best movies and that brings too many thoughts to list out
You know it's bad when Teen Titans Go, of all shows, mocked a serious movie
Fun facts Superman is actor in the movie is Nicolas Cage as a reference to the Superman Lives movie that never got made
@@ezelfrancisco1349 To be fair, that movie was actually okay.
Joe: You know what I wanna see?!
Snyder: No?
There's your review. 1000% accurate.
18:53
@@gadielgonzalez2755 *DEMON JOE ARISES!!!*
Now you guys can see why I like Angry Joe
Well played, sir.
"You know what I wanna see?"
"No."
That's it. That's every one of the movie's issues explained.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
"Well that's still not gonna get me grandchildren."
"Not this again-"
"YES THIS AGAIN!"
DEAD
That had me DECEASED!
Goddamnit commisioner alfred. He already got some 3 robins. And ALL OF THEM ARE DEAD! Im pretty sure he has more...he's rich! He can buy an entire orphanage full of robins...and create another 8 orphanages
Just like Robin!
@@21700r boo.
Damian Wayne
“Oh Clark, I’m drowning in the water” never fails to make me laugh
It's always nice to get a good laugh 😃 😀 😄 😁 🤣 😂 at a joke like that
14:53 Same 🤣
@@sorryifoldcomment8596 I see what you mean by that
"And I'm Batman!"😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@noelanderson969 Nice one!!
What a shame. Eisenberg would have made a great Riddler.
Ikr
Yep
+Chest Pec Respect agreed.
+Chest Pec Respect He looks and acts the part too.
I thought he was the Riddler at first. Then it was revealed that he was Luthor I got really confused.
Zack Snyder: I can't build a cinematic universe. The cinematography just isn't there.
Warner Bros.: Here is the cinematography. Nolan's trilogy. I'm asking you to simply make it more epic.
Zack Snyder: Okay sir, but, honestly, it's impossible.
Warner Bros : KEVIN FEIGE WAS ABLE TO DO IT WITH THIRD-GRADE ACTORS! WHILE NEARLY BANKRUPT!
Zack Snyder : Well I'm sorry... I'm not Kevin Feige.
DOes that mean Warner Bros will go and extract the reactor from MCU the hard way?
Sorry but your comment was too fun to resist.
So true.
... Isn't that the scene where Obadiah Stane tells that one researcher to make an ARC Reactor for him?
+TheFerdi265 yes. It's perfect! 😂😂😂
*****
actually, all of us who commented here did
This year, the rant about Superman's death takes on a new meaning as we've finally seen an equivalent done almost perfectly -- and it turned out so well because of the very reasons that these critics described.
I feel like the rant is the equivalent of Iron man's death in endgame, everything Joe said add up to how Marvel EARNED iron man's death in a good way.
@@Arsene-cj1tq Don't forget Arrow
That's a stupid argument though. Saying a death has to be "earned" through dozens of movies automatically cancels any death in a single movie or a trilogy
ΑΡΙΣΤΟΤΕΛΗΣ ΛΑΧΑΝΟΠΟΥΛΟΣ no, it’s only the case for Superman because Superman is special, he’s a hero, a symbol for many people. Not all deaths need to be like that, but they wanted a glorious one and to get that effect of a hero going out in a blaze of glory, those things need to be done. They don’t mean literally dozens, but having more time with the character in general. For example, in the dark knight trilogy, Batman’s sacrifice was impactful because you spent almost all of the runtime of the 3 movies with Batman.
@@ataraxia2894 The thing is though, Superman's death never aimed to be glorious , or impactful. Its purpose wasn't to generate strong emotions in you like iron man's death. After all we see he's alive during the post credit scene. The point was to show superman sacrificing himself to bring people hope and restore Batman's hope in humanity through that. So basically, the sacrifice was Snyder's way of making him become superman because up until the 3rd act of the movie he was still conflicted about who he was and who he wanted to be
Honestly, the way Lex "Joker" Luthor roasted Lois was so brutal it made me like this version better than most others.
Teo Alonso I liked how he literally put on Joker’s suit!
I like how superman is also done with her that rant about how she used to be important and then literally says you used to be important
Heck, Trevor Mueller did a better performance in this review than Jesse Eisenburg’s version of Lex. XD
I always thought that it was more Riddler than joker
Jesse Eisenberg would have made a perfect DCEU Joker.
All in favor of DC having Doug and Joe co-write the rest of the DCU movies, say aye.
AYE!
+trebacca9 Aye, they would do much better.
they read comic books like me. so I say Aye.
+trebacca9 Aye
+trebacca9 Hell not. Have you seen what happens with critics try to write a script? I'll give you a hint. "Snapped necks".
Aye
"Rawr. Rawr. I am your Doomsday. Bruugh. *I WILL FIND HIM!*"
*I WILL FIGHT HIM!*
* Doomsday plays MMOBA *
I WILL KITE HIM!!!!
That was the funniest part of the review for me, watching Rob emerge from the flames dressed up like that.
HERESY DESTORY IT!!!
+General Jo I WILL FIND HIM!!!!
Joe: I want to see the Justice League at his funeral.
MCU: Genius!
Joe: I want to see a hero slowly stripped of his life in the ultimate battle, instead of just being stabbed in one swoop.
MCU: Of course!
Joe: I want to build a connection with this Superman the same way he built a connection with me in hundreds of stories.
MCU: Getting there.
Joe: I want to fear that this might be the time that Superman doesn’t make it back.
MCU: Write that down! Write that down!
Russo: *Shows finished tic-tac-toe titled Ironman’s death in Endgame* Voila!
Could you imagine that really happening...by the time of this video perhaps they were not entirely sure how Infinity Wars and Endgame would play out exactly. By understanding Joe's rant, they knew how to stick the landing for the emotional climax to the series up to that point. That's how you earn a death in great storytelling.
@@mmjahink That and that would mean the MARVEL watches their reviews and videos and who wouldn't think that would be cool?
SpongeBob reference
Your God damn right Joe!!😎
19:02
Time stamp, fam.
Seriously never saw the film before this so thought the Jolly Rancher thing was a bit...then I saw the film and my jaw hit the floor...
It’s hilarious how Zack and his fans think Lex is a deep and complex villain when he’s doing shit like this
That was exactly my thought process too...
@@mrcritical6751 Lex is a deep and complex villian, just not Synder's version.
@@Gadget-Walkmen Remember, he blew up congress.
@@docrofreborn7497 not that hard to do.
They nailed wonder womans involvement in this movie.
+ThatOneShyguy Hello!
+ThatOneShyguy hello ^_^
You're saying Wonder Woman wasn't necessary in the movie?
(Hello.)
Hello! 8)
A better conflict set-up for Batman v Superman:
Batman: "Team Iron Man."
Superman: "Team Cap."
Batman: "This means war!"
+GdoubleWB yeah, uh, no. Have you even read The Dark Knight Returns? Bats would be Team Cap, and Supes would be Team Iron Man. Oh wait, that's pretty much the plot of TDKR before Civil War was even a comic.
To be more specific: Supes works for the government because "it's their world". Bats continues to be a vigilante despite pressure from high in the government and eventually the President orders Superman to stop Bruce, which he attempts because "they won't stand for you anymore." An epic clash of ideologies and a thrilling fight ensues.
Civil War: Iron Man works for the government because "we're too powerful". Cap continues to be a vigilante despite pressure from the government. After some tragedies, sides are chosen, lines are crossed, and a war begins.
Jack Hornblower Was just referring to the fact that those two pairings are similar in base facticity of character (i.e. billionaire, super-strength, etc.), but yeah, that set-up does make more sense. Good observation.
If you think about it, both Superman and Batman would be in Cap's side. Especially if you're talking about the comic version which is about secret identities. Here's why:
1. Both Superman and Batman have secret identities that they don't want to reveal because they know the consequences of it.
2. Neither of them want the government keeping tabs on them.
3. Superman believes in the same thing Captain America does and is a boyscout just like Cap.
Therefore, Iron Man and his side would get their asses kicked lol.
Watch the animated movies Batman: The Dark Night Returns 1 and 2 or better yet read the comic and then will see who kisses goverment's ass and who beats it.
Eduards Verenkovs To be fair, The Dark Knight Returns isn't canon. Superman was way out of character in that story.
Zack Snyder: “Steppenwolf’s in the “Ultimate Cut,” of the movie!”
Steppenwolf: “Hello.” (lol)
No he's not. He just in Justice League. A very disappointing appearance by far.
Hopefully the Snyder Cut is good.
@@generalobiwankenobi8265 Keep a low bar of expectations
@@hailmendoza6106 Why do people even think that would be able to be good . The Snyder cut didn't fix anything last time so what makes people think it will fix anything this time .
@@Zeonite-pc5qp I think they're looking for more development from Cyborg and Flash, as well as less tonal confusion. At least that's what I'm looking for.
"Stop hypocriting where I'm hypocriting!" LMFAO 😆 Seriously, that was actually the thought I had seeing this film years ago when it came out.
I was dying when he said commissioner alfred
I swear I thought it was supposed to be Commissioner Gordon. Not Commisioner Alfred.
@@TheDatabaseNetwork you missed the joke
Huh, that's new. A clipless NC review where people AREN'T hating him for it.
Ikr
+Jay I think it speaks to how much Doug, Joe and most of the audience expected better from BvS than what they got, so someone had to vent out their frustrations.
Also, IMHO both the Pixels and Star Wars VII reviews are pretty well-done.
his crossover reviews (Man of steel ,the smurfs and TMNT) are my favorites .
+Jay
I guess you forgot Pixels and Jurassic World already.
+Jay This 'review' is halfassed even worse than the haters of BvS are saying the movie is halfassed.
"Is it getting chilly in here or is it because of the cold uselessness of your character?" That brings some warmth to the review.
When Rob appeared as Doomsday, that was priceless! 😂
I will find him!!!
15:48
the big misunderstanding in this movie was the director said: "give me the guy who played Heisenberg", but the casting understood "give me Jesse Eisenberg"
And now I can't take this feeling of that it would been awesome.
or vin disesel as lex luthor
Bryan Cranston as Lex luthor? Fuck that would have been so awesome!
Eh, I would've much preferred Billy Zane as Lex Luthor.
I thought that bit with Luthor using jolly ranchers to bribe the guy was made for comedic purposes for this review.....and then I learned that actually happened in the movie thanks to erods review.....wow....
This comment made me cough wildly as I caught my gasp and spit went into my esophagus. You can't be serious
Well it is a bit exaggerated, but yeah....Jesse Eisenberg played a believable character, just not the Lex Luthor you know and love....more like a mix of Joker and a trendy CEO. That Jolly Ranchers scene included a part where Luthor shoved the rancher up the guy's mouth.
Tom Hur Wait, so you're making fun of a movie you never saw?
Same
Yeah, the Jolly Ranchers scene was a dumb way of showing that Lex's character was goofy and whimsical and that he didn't respect authority. The other problem with that scene is that Lex Luthor is actually a mature, charismatic billionaire and Eisenberg is playing him in a "Heath Ledger Joker meets Roger Rabbit" kind of way. He's impossible to take seriously.
Let's put a smile on that face!!!
Lex Luthor? You're portraying Lex Luthor right now.
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Batman v Superman: I am the most anticipated comic book endgame
Endgame: Hold my bee-
Thor: Gimme that. CHUGS BEER
Thor:CHUGS BEER
So... a trailer teasing an epic fight of differing opinions only to end up having the same opinion and just.... talking?
This is a metaphor, isn't it.
In The Man of Steel review, they fight. In this review, they team up. Next thing you know, they're gonna do a league team up of the other critics.
+The Hound That would actually be kind of amazing.
+Xentenial Almost like the movie
+Harrison Scott Yeah, exactly
+Xentenial Their Man of Steel review is what BvS should have been.
that rant from joe is SO DAMN AWESOME!!!!
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
+Jtyler12 Here, here. Perfectly states where the anger in the fans comes from. This was not a movie that sought to tell a story about these characters, it was about a filmmaker who wanted to attach his own name to these characters (i.e. Nolan-Batman, Snyder-Superman)
+ugaaa5
Ehh? According to what?
In rotten the movie has like (from non critics) 69 and un Imbd 7.2 and those opinions were highly biased, with a lot giving the movie 10/10
Ditto.
+ugaaa5 That makes me sad.
Superman: *crushes Batmobile*
Batman: “oh *REAL* mature!”
Yes we saw
James Bond Batsurance!
Says the guy who brands criminals like cows and murdered a ton of guys for a green rock
@@generalobiwankenobi8265 Autopayed every month with the BAT CREDIT CARD!
@@thekiller7994 Who cares they're criminals not ppl, cows are the ones who don't deserve brandings.
I think these reenactments are better than actual footage from the films. So hilariously entertaining.
Even the girl I saw BvS with had no prior DC knowledge and asked me as we were coming out 'so that guy (lex) becomes the joker right?'
Xray Shaun if he did it would make so much more sense
15:55
This had me laughing for hours
Same
I WILL FIND HIM
+TOTTO9508 NUCLEAR MAN!!
amazing!!
+TOTTO9508 17:51
just as good.
Congratulations to Angry Joe and Nostalgia Critic and the rest of the crew that helped to make this amazingly entertaining video
It’s better than the actual movie. 😅
@@georgeeastwood6930after rewatching the movie it really is.
Lex: Your mama says bleh.
Superman: Bleh?
Lex: She will when I slit her throat!
Superman: Mama!
I love Joe's cry there! Makes me laugh every time!
Lex: "Now go kill Batman because I think it will be cool."
Okay.
11:57
Best Clipless Review. I thought the exact same thing with Lex Luthor and The Joker.
+joshscorcher hey love ur videos
JOSH 😱
I FUCKEN LOVE YOU.
nostalgia critic RoboCop
+joshscorcher I honestly think they had him be the Joker orginally but then half way decided hey let's make him lex for no reason at all.
The guy playing Zack Snyder is fantastic. 😂
Peyton Helfgot his voice though 😂
And cute
His name is Walter
Feel bad for him though
"I want to see the Justice League at his funeral (...) I want to see a hero slowly striped of his life in the ultimate battle".
Dude, this is Iron Man and Avengers in Endgame.
Gonzalouch Ikari von Faustus+ Marvel acknowledged and applied that quote.
DC couldn't even realized in all these years.
But Superman did it first... In the comics
@@wrestlinganime4life288 Mar-Vell did it long before Superman, and he stayed dead.
@@geoffreysorkin5774 Did anyone cared thou?
@@wrestlinganime4life288 Yes, Mar-Vell's death is considered one of the most famous deaths in comics history. Just because you didn't read comics before 1990, and only heard about The Death of Superman because it was in mainstream news doesn't mean no one else did.
Lex Luthor slowly becoming the Joker was just fucking hilarious. I'd describe Eisenberg's Luthor as more Riddler than Joker though.
The comparison with the phone was so clever and funny!! LOL
You guys are great.
Thanks for watching!
Did Zack meet you both up?
Channel Awesome Good job with the reviews. Keep em up.
You guys really need to do a Civil War review. Imagine it: Critic vs Critic, Friend vs Friend, Team Nostalgia Critic vs Team Linkara
+Jake Bryant (The Rouge Owl) but that was a good flim:(
I love how Critic was just sitting there nonchalantly with explosions in the background. XD
same
Cool guys don't look at explosions.
•_•)
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(⌐■_■)
"ditto"
Someone's going to be making a meme of that soon........and it will be me.
Zack Synder: "Look Aquaman's in the movie."
Aquaman: "Hello."
At least Injustice had a good plot with everybody basically in it
Bryan Cranston = Lex Luthor = what could've been one of the best villain performances in a superhero film next to Heath Ledger's joker.
+theplayifier holy shit....... holy shit.
THAT'S WHAT MY FRIEND SAID LAST SUMMER ! HE'S PERFECT FOR THE ROLE!
OH MY FUCKING GOD, WHY DIDN'T BRYAN CRANSTON BE LEX?
Nope.. He is to old and would only be Heisenberg 2.0
Its hillarious that Joe claims to be an enormous Superman fan, yet call Jesses Lex nothing like Lex yet look no further to Superman Birthright and you see Jesses Lex
+Armando Torres Because he is to old and would not fit the version they wanted which is Birthright Lex Luthor
Movie killed Superman just before the Justice League?!
That's gotta be the cheapest movie death/revival since Optimus Prime in Transformers 2.
+Man 0 all Js
It's even worse when Snyder said the main reason he did it is because he wanted Batman to found the Justice League.
It isn't supposed to serve a narrative purpose or be part of the character's arc; it's just because Snyder couldn't figure out any other way to get Superman out of the picture except to copy a terrible comic storyline from the 90's.
+Michael G
And you're either illiterate or a moron because I didn't say it was the only reason, only the main one.
Anything else that comes from it is a byproduct of the fact that Snyder wanted to have Batman found the Justice League alone and couldn't think of a way for Superman to be out of the picture besides killing him.
The sad thing is Superman has almost no character in these movies. No intellect or foresight. Now he's gone, not having anything to do with the formation of the Justice League. He'll get a resurrection, meet up with the League and in the heat of battle join them without a second thought.
He's a boring static brick reacting to characters with agency.
What a missed opportunity given how Brad Meltzer's JLA started with the trinity just sitting in the Bat Cave, thinking, making arguments on who should be picked for the League. Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman all had different ideas, different perspectives on things. You learned a lot about their characters by just seeing how they rationalize decisions.
***** Yep, no way is Superman gonna be a comic relief character in these movies.
The only way I can see them salvaging Superman's character is to do a complete 180 with him post resurrection. Maybe he's had a change of heart after such a traumatic event. The new Superman will be more optimistic, living with a glass half full mentality, enjoying life and being a superhero.
It's basically their get out of jail card. Speaking of, maybe jail will "magically" change Eisenberg's Joker/Riddler into a proper Luthor in the sequels.
Or they'll just cast Bryan Cranston as the real Lex Luthor, embarrassed of his son.
***** Doomsday and the Death of Superman might be popular but not the best imo. Doomsday is the worst villain and the story is overrated.
I mean in my opinion All-Star Superman is the Death story done right. That's what Superman stories should tonally and thematically be like any way.
They could go for classics like For The Man Who Has Everything. Introduce the Legion of Superheroes, with Superman going off to adventures with them.
Less fantasy/destiny bs, more high concept sci-fi.
Have actual good villains like Brainiac for once.
Zack Synder: "Hey, you're just playing a few minutes from Batman Begins."
Angry Joe and NC: "Exactly."
16:56 the 1998 ‘Godzilla’ film is the perfect example of this concept.
Agreed,that’s why he’s called Zilla or GINO
So fucking true
The 2014 ‘Godzilla’ or as I call it FATZILLA, is an even better example.
"This isn't fucking Jimmy Olsen"
-Angry Joe
well, he is more jimmy olsen than the one in supergirl series. is like if jimmy olsen and flash thompson from spiderman homecoming decided to change physical features, with flash becoming geeky and jimmy buff. that's nonsensical.
an also, jimmy olsen deserves respect. Jack Kirby decided to use him for the main con ection to the Foruth World (DARKSEID debuted in jimmy olsen's comic)
Wonder Woman occasionally walking through the frame and saying "Hello" was a really nice touch.
+Jeff Sol
More so than the one from the movie?
Probably yes.
Walter is such a great Zack Snyder, in the same way Doug is a great Michael Bay
I like to call the problem of this movie "plot paradox".
You put so many plot points into a movie that you can't really focus on one and end up with basically no plot.
That’s a nice way of putting it.
It’s like Zack Snyder watched Amazing Spider Man 2 and was like “Hey I can do this too.” 2014-2016 (ASM2, Fant4stic and BvS) were times when comic book movies were made as overly long trailers than being focused on coherent narratives!
“When is a plot not a plot?”
"I WILL FIND HIM" that bit cracked me up
Ryan Gaterell I love the fact they highlight that Batman uses guns in the movie
fight*
@@Jmgjgdjd5 it's find not fight
@@Yoshikage8008 but it says fight in the subtitles
I WILL LIKE THIS!!!
I don't always agree with you guys, but this one was 100% spot on! Nice work.
+Sean Anderson Thanks!
+Channel Awesome Doug how do you feel about Michael Bay raping our childhood again with TMNT 2?
+Ganda Panda Micheal bay not director of TMNT. he just executive producer.
Yeah, that means he has a lot of control over the movie.
+Ryuzaki Raiga Executive producer has more control than the director. Ben Affleck is now executive producer of Justice League. The EP has veto power over the director and is in charge of all post production. That includes calling reshoots.
Things that bothered me about this movie
1. Lex Luther as a whole and especially the freaking jolly rancher scene like wtf was he trying to seduce the man.
2. The way Doomsday was made in this movie was horrible. It was just a forced climatic ending
3. The reason Batman and Superman stopped fighting.
Batman calls his mom's name and Superman was like your mom has the same name we must be bros now...
Just gonna throw out there that cinemawins gave a actual reason for supes and bats to stop hating each other.
That's not even close to why they stopped fighting
@@user-mx4is4fx3c then how did they stop fighting?
@@thekiller7994 They stopped because when Batman saw Superman, the guy he considered to be an alien without feelings, ready to die to save his mom, he realized the truth. That Superman is just like him.
And if Superman is Bruce what is Bruce who was about to kill him in cold blood?
Joe chill.
That realization made him stop
The jolly rancher scene is what parlour trick magicians do. Diverting the audience's attention from the actual trick. In Luthor's case he distracted that guy with the jolly rancher so that they'll agree to give him access to the cryptonian ship without second guessing his motives
“Dark and aggressive vs kind and hopeful” doesn’t work in the snyderverse because all Snyder does is constantly leak dark and aggressive onto any screenplay he touches.
Also, I’d argue that batman is all about hope. Hope that he can stop even one person from experiencing what he did, hope that he can live in the shadows and be a force for good, hope that he can make a way of life from violence and vigilance and not succumb to rage or paranoia, hope that even the most run-down streets of gotham might one day shine again, hope that even the worst villains could come back from their deeds with some mental help. And most of all, hope that a grim and gritty vigilante with a belt full of weapons and a head full of neuroses can be an unequivocal force for good.
But hey... SYMBOLISM BITCH
MOS and BvS were actually more lighthearted and deep at first, then Zack walked into the room and his aura caused the screenplays to mutant and turn into the dark and gritty movies you see now
@@mrcritical6751 Even Christopher Nolan was against the idea of Superman snapping zod neck in such poorly excuted way..
That says a lot
Nolan is the kind of guy who knows how to relax and move away from the darkness from time to time like the private boat scene in TDK or almost any scene with Lucius Fox. Snyder only has one mode, dark and edgy this is the same guy who described the experience of watching BvS as losing your virginity. It’s obvious he wants to be deep and complex and in some cases has the capacity but is held back by a need to push things to the extreme and make everything bigger and more action packed, this is the guy who filmed BvS as an R despite the movie having a deal to get Lego sets and children’s toys for crying out loud
@@mrcritical6751 the biggest problem with Snyder style is that he used visual storytelling to characterise Superman in Mos and Bvs... WHICH IS STUPID.!!
People need to interact with this Superman otherwise there is no connection.
Also the colour palette in Bvs is atrocious :
Batman was OK but Superman? Did his suit screamed light and optimistic like HOW HE IS SUPPOSED TO BE?!.
Also the Martha scenes makes no sense
Batman the world greatest detective.. Couldn't figure out that Superman is Clark Kent? That he has a mother? Was Batman seriously going to kill Superman?.
WTF is wrong with Snyder
Wonder Woman popping in to say hello every now and then was seriously cute!
very true
*Joe gives his rant at the end about Superman's death...*
*Sits down...*
*Silence...*
*I get up and start slow clapping...*
*People join in...*
*Turns into thunderous applause and cheering*
You too, eh?
+10INTM I wish that part can be edited out, go viral w/ 10 million views, and someone at DC sees it.
+Arul Gupta Amen to that. They didn't earn it. Heck if he had gone out in Returns that could've been a "Death of Superman" I could get behind. This movie took the Man of Steel and pissed on a legacy that most comic book characters will never have.
19:13 exactly what we got in Endgame. The Avengers attending tony starks funeral, mourning a character that not only we care about, but we have grown to love over 11 years and tons of movies. Not only that, but we also know that tony is dead for real. Superman’s death was made even worse bcs you know its not going to last
You have a very shallow reading of Superman's death. Tony's death actually ruined Iron Man's character by turning him into an altruistic hero.
@@zhengyingli And Zach Snyder's shit movie ruins Batman and Superman's characters by turning them into post modernist edgy shitlords who are about as far away from hero's as you can get.
zhengyingli how it ruined his character?
@@martindelafuente194 Iron Man in his solo movies was a self-interested character, but in the Avenger movies starting in 2012, they turned him into an altruistic character, which is a very evil way to write.
Oh, so a character arc then…
You can say this is the conversation that Zack had with warner executives after watching the movie.
The no executives are more clueless than Zach.
I wouldn't be surprised if that's exactly what happened.
raw.... ra.... I WILL FIND 'IM!!!
The lead-up to the "epic conclusion" when he just mildly waves his arms was priceless.
+Ｓｔａｙｎｉｆｔｙ I WILL FIGHT HIM!!!
that killed me XD
This is why I don't like snyder, he just can't do epic story telling. He is like a more respectable Micheal Bay
Agree
That's actually so on point I can't even think of anything to add. You have a good day, sir.
yes sir
+XxXVideoVeiwerXxX Or Michael Bay is just Hyde and Zack Snyder is Jekyll.
+Mr.B Lopez (Lockdown1214) what Nolan is one of the best directors of our time bruh , but thats just your opinion so i wont start an argument
Bruce: Who’s that?
Clark: that’s Lex
Bruce: noooo
Me: i knooow😭😭
19:03
Joe: *Screams in demonic nerd*
NC: ...
Dido
That was the best part.
"You know what I want to see?"
"No."
And there's your problem right there
Snyder gets the blame, but people forget how much the studio intervened... I mean, the full cut of BvS was obviously better yet the studio didn't air that. And they forcefully tried to make Zack Snyder start a cinematic universe from a single movie... it was a movie that was rushed into existence. It obviously should not have been the second movie....
I mean, people say Zack didn't know what people want to see... but he stuffed the movie FULL of what people would want.. but it was WHEN we wanted it. There are TONS of clues about why Batman is darker and more cynical than before... but frankly, that should have been it's own movie BEFORE BvS... Snyder was forced by the studio to cram too much sh*t into a single movie because the studio wanted a cinematic universe....
@@TheDeathmail fuck no, Snyder is an asshole
@@TheDeathmail its a little more coherent, not better. Also, fuck Hack Snyder. All style no substance idiot. He'd be better off making music clips...
Zack’s essentially Michael Bay thinking he’s Stanley Kubrick. He thinks he’s making these deep character pieces you have to think about to fully understand but then he’s going around saying “once you lose your virginity to my movie”, you’d never see actual directors who create a balance between style and substance and try to create deep movies like Christopher Nolan saying that kind of stuff
John Wick I think the last movie I liked he made was watchmen and he left out the squid
4:03
“You’re standing in the bathtub”
“I’m standing in the bathtub”
“I feel like we were discussing some very important issue-“
“But I’m standing in the bathtub”
Eh, good point.
(Avengers: Endgame Spoilers)
19:10 - 20:05: This is the part where Marvel Studios and the Russo Bros. pull it off beautifully when it comes to completing Tony Stark's story arc (no pun intended): we've followed his cinematic adventures since 2008, understanding his relationship with other characters, his motivation and pains as well as laughing at some off his wise cracking humor and when it comes to that 'scene' where it involves almost all of the characters of the Infinity Saga, we all shed a tear. It's a massive difference from Zack Snyder's horrible handling of Superman's death where I feel absolutely nothing at all.
Glen Wang you beat me to it
Glen Wang Agreed. That's why Fellowship of the Ring was awful because I felt nothing for Gandalf's death since they didn't spend a decade exploring his character.
@@zhengyingli Wrong. Complete Apples to Oranges. Fellowship of the Ring was a direct adaptation of a book series where Gandalf dies in the beginning, not a cinematic universe. Comparison makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Like Joe said, it took hundreds and thousands of comics for Superman to die, so that wasn't even faithful to the adaptation, let alone remotely emotional. LOTR is a set specific story with a beginning, middle, and end, DC and Marvel are comics that have a completely different structure. Get better.
Joe’s wants:
• The team of a dead superhero at his funeral.
• The superhero to be wrecked before dying.
• To build a connection with this hero.
• To fear that this superhero will never come back.
• The superhero’s death to be earned because of so much focus being put on him throughout several movies.
MCU: Check, check, check, check, and check. Take notes DCEU.
You can tell throughout the movies that the main characters really are Steve Rogers and Tony Stark.
Usually I don't like skit reviews but this one was hilarious.
agreed
Ehhhh. The constant going back to obvious-straw-man Snyder felt like it was discrediting what they were actually saying... when you write the opponent as a doof, you can't feel validated by or on the side of what the reviewers are saying. You're laughing at a mean-spirited caricature of the film, not the film itself.
+Crystal_Costello Same
+Crystal_Costello isn't this the only thing they can do now? what with youtube's BS copyright system?
+Ty Gently Snyder is suppose to represent the problems with the movie not Snyder himself. Besides its satire and like Doug always says that in comedy,someone will be negatively affected. So, since Snyder came up with a lot of the ideas in this movie, he has to be the one negatively affected.
4:37 6:47 7:32 "I'm in the movie!!!" :D
hooray
Hello
Meavy Hetal snarky respose, but you still got the reference right?
hi wonder woman
+Marcel Fioo bye wonder woman!
That guy does a great imitation of Jesse Eisenberg
Jolly Ranchers, yo!
The psychiatrists who say dressing up as a bat is way past 1% unstable joke is probably the funniest joke Nostalgia Critic has ever done; I die of laghter every time I read it.
The guy playing Zack Snyder made this 1000 times funnier.
True he's a freaking good actor XD ! (they all are actually but this is the first time I see him in a NC video) anyone knows his name btw ??
+Saku Haru Walter Banasiak
+16 Bit Deathmetal Covers Thanks !! :)
+Saku Haru he's got his own show in channel awesome called "Awesome Comics"
+Mujamb Zack Snyder has been fired and will no longer make anymore DC movies...
Batman:you never answered me. Do you bleed. you will
Superman:what was that
Batman:nothing
Superman smashes batmobile
Batman: OH REAL MATRURE
+Sherman Brown Batman: Oh, real mature!
If you think about it, when Batman said "[y]ou will", it wasn't to himself because he knew that Superman had superhearing, so.....
Ohhh...you saw the video too?
19:11-19:42 But Joe we did get that. It was called Avengers: Endgame.
Superman though
Martial Arts Fighter we know, man. He’s saying Marvel succeeded where DC failed.
@@BrendanJSmith Sadly DC blew their chance and we won't get to see a true Death of Superman done right on screen. Maybe unless the whole thing is rebooted and start all over and wait 10 years for another one
Don’t worry Joe. You may not be able to see the Justice League at Superman’s funeral, but at least you got to see the Avengers at Tony Stark’s funeral
But it's not the same...
This is better than the actual film...and makes more sense.
K
+Wayne King yep
+Dick graysson it's true dick
+Wayne King That is because it is made by people who REALLY wanted BvS done right instead of the wtf that DC/WB put out.
+Wayne King Scenes are rearranged, performances exaggerated and overall this review is making up nonexistent bullshit to make the movie look worse, which is not what you should do even if you hate the movie. Hate it for right reasons and don't come up nonexistent reason to hate it.
can i get a gif of angry joe screaming "mama"?
+jhon smith It's funnier if you can actually hear it.
+TriniTyrion lmao true
+TriniTyrion
There are gifs with sound. Or maybe those aren't gifs? There are short, looping clips with sound on imgur, at least, so maybe OP meant that.
+P. Roud Tobi Mi vines
Shaggy Rocker
Nah, those are only on that one website that I don't usually use which is why I don't really remember the name. Was it just simply "vine"? Anyway, you don't call all looping videos with sound vines.
In this film, I was convinced that Luther's motivation for getting Superman and Batman to fight was just because he was some annoying, obsessed fan boy who wanted to see them fight because he thought it would be cool to watch.
Apparently it was some convoluted thing about how Lex believes that Superman can’t be all good and needs to be killed, also apparently he wants Superman dead because he hates authority due to nobody coming to save him when his dad would beat him. In other words he makes zero sense
It would've made so much more sense if he was simply after expanding his wealth and power like usual. Perhaps if LexCorp and Wayne Enterprises were in competition for those reconstruction deals, and Lex is sewing fear of Superman to create a demand for his Kryptonite tech, then he creates Metallo rather than Doomsday, then maybe it could have worked.
19:07 I like how angry joe was s going to super rage mode wile nostalgia critic is just setting there like he is going to say I’m enjoying every minute of this
Thank you for stating what I thought was clear the whole time...Eisenberg was never trying to play Lex Luthor, he was trying to play Ledger's rendition of the Joker. And it epically failed because Luthor isn't the Joker.
But it was a symptom of a greater problem...nowadays everyone wants their superhero films, and the superheroes in them, to be just like Nolan's Batman films...dark, moody, gritty...even though that only works for Batman, not every other superhero. The Marvel Universe at least seemed to catch on to that, but if DC doesn't do the same they'll keep putting out mediocrity.
Jesse Eisenberg's portrayal of Lex was mostly influenced by Superman: Birthright's young Lex Luthor with the long hair and spastic behavior. Him acting like a mad scientist was not at all similar to the Joker, but rather to Lex's roots prior to John Byrne's reboot in the 80's.
In other words, Lex in BvS is an amalgamation of the character's history in the comics, with motives not at all similar to the Joker's. Those equating the two have no fundamental understanding of the characters.
I think you raise an interesting point. I think what Nolan's trilogy has ushered in is a number of films where the protagonist has to be more complex or interesting than they were in past films. Darker tones aside, Nolan's films were a lot about humanising Batman, probably the easiest hero to humanise. But he made the character seem so real, so human, it was actually pretty believable. Marvel learned pretty well from this. Most of their films star heros who aren't perfect, there's complexity and struggle, sometimes with pretty serious issues.
DC, weirdly, I think took the trilogy wrongly. Instead of adpoting the character complexity they adopted the darker overtones and the the plot complexity. The result is that all of their films feel like their trying to replicate Nolan's trilogy. Perhaps the next slew of films will prove different, it's certainly been a rocky start, but we'll see. There's so much potential for DC if they do it right, there is a gargantuan gold mine to be squandered should they dig the right tunnels but right now they're digging in all the wrong places.
Rex67Diego9 fandub have you ever read the comic superman birthright?
he nails the lex luthor in that comic a genius scientist who stutters a lot
Rex67Diego9 fandub he was more menacing and dangerous then most mcu villians
Rex67Diego9 fandub Pointless? He planned on killing Superman, and succeeded.
It's a shame. Eisenberg was a better Joker than Jared Leto.
And Jim was better than both.
Trisket He would have been an awsome Riddler or anyone else from Arkham.
Trisket nope Jared was better
Trisket they should have switched the roles
Maybe they switched scripts
Hahaha. Who’s the pip squeak? That’s lex Luthor. NOOOoooo. Fraid so.
That bit cracked me up.
“Oh, Clark! I’m drowning in the water!” That line gets me every time.
Why couldn't Wonder Woman use the spear to kill doomsday? She's super strong like Superman and the kryptonite won't hurt her
MysticDragonPrincess
Because zack Snyder.
because she can't fly
this is quist She can run
To Quote Nostalgia Critic's Man of Steel review;
I AM JESUS! I AM JESUS! I AM JESUS! I AM JESUS!
MysticDragonPrincess because... forced plot point. We never knew him well, but forced says you always knew him and must be saaaaad
"I WILL FIGHT HIM!"
Still makes me laugh my ass off
It's "I will find him".
+Scuffling Boogaloo Second time he does actually say 'I will fight him' tbf.
Scuffling Boogaloo like what tywozere2 said, at the final scene where batman superman and wonderwoman go to fight zod/lex he says "I WILL FIGHT HIM" Instead of I will find him
So don't gimme that sass
"because I intimidate you...... boo" I laughed my ass off
I love how they spend the whole review angry and yelling at Zack Snyder, and then at the end, he beats them up and they puss out!🤣
At least Avengers Endgame did a big death right
Haru364 They did it twice.
Dumb death
Upasna Bharija how?
the only thing they did right
I agree. The movie was a huge clusterfuck.
Watching him slowly become the Joker is amazing
Again?
Interesting fact: In the early version of the script, Luthor worked in pairs with the Joker, as in the animated series of the 90s.
But Warners wanted to introduce the Joker in Suicide Squad, so his powers were transferred to Lexa (in fact, they crossed two characters into one) and that's why he turned out so crooked.
Joe's rant is the best thing in the history of the universe.
Hayden The geeky maniac Hell, he's got a point and I agree with it.
You mean at 18:53
@@gadielgonzalez2755 he comes across as an entitled nerd to me.
Lol
Nope. He just sounds like a whiny, entitled loser.
Now that I think about it Lex was pretty much just a slightly more serious version of The Joker
BATMAN DOESNT USE GUNS! HAS ZACH SNYDER EVERY READ A COMIC IN HIS LIFE
Zack Snyder obviously read more comics than you because Batman has used guns multiple times in the comics.
@@zhengyingli In the early comics, the ones where his character is fully fleshed out no
It's supposed to feel wrong. That's the point. This batman is a shallow shell of what he once was. And Superman inspires him to find himself, return to the hero he started as. It's called character development
ΑΡΙΣΤΟΤΕΛΗΣ ΛΑΧΑΝΟΠΟΥΛΟΣ Ah yes “Character development” when he already had a well established character that has infinitely more depth.
@@irarelyupload6930 He didn't. Each adaptation is different. The development he got in each comic run is separated from his development in this universe
Does anyone else thing Tamara Chambers is fucking gorgeous? :3
Oddly enough, I think she's even more attractive and charismatic than Rachel
fat
+Kent Henry I agree, I love her personality, and she's so beautiful, I love when she appears. I enjoyed what Rachel did, but I like Tamara better
+Kent Henry no, ew gross
+Арсений Брилёв *than
and there shouldn't be a comma there.