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Fitting an Entire Loft Staircase in a Tight Space
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- Опубліковано 27 лип 2022
- Why would someone design a staircase like this? As part of a concerted effort to upgrade the workshop, I've made my previously useless storage loft useful by adding a custom stairway. But, with limited room in which to fit it, I opted for a space-saving, alternating-tread design.
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I used to live in a place where the loft conversion had a staircase like that. One addition I think you'll really want to make is a stubby grab rail to go on either side. Mine had them, and out of the THREE times I managed to fall down those stairs, the two times where I managed to grab the rails hurt significantly less than the time I didn't. :(
Future addition 👍
@@WesleyTreat this is indeed a very important addition for safety
Hand rails are a legal requirement in the UK to comply with building regs!
Would adding a pile of pillows at the base help? 🤔
@@mjsvitek Or a trampoline. :D
I needed access to my loft storage, where my 2X10 lumber and plywood was kept. I built stairs like yours, but I used all of my stored lumber and plywood to make it.
Very clever indeed. Now I'll just grab some popcorn and wait for the handrail comments. 😁 Thanks for sharing!
My one friend had these kind of stairs that led into almost the exact same kind of loft situation above a workshop (Dad's garage) when I was younger. His loving grandmother always would throw up a quick prayer when we would use them, because to her they were "Witch Stairs!" and apparently they keep witches from going into your attic or something. For me, it was always the 'stair ladder' as that is what it felt like to me. You were going up a slightly leaned over ladder. Good work on the straps to get it up safe-ish, and I only jumped when the camera whacked 'me' a little bit!
'witch stairs' love it! I once read how medieval stairways had a trip stair to mess with invaders, but had never heard of the witch stairs :) I agree a grab rail would be smart, so easy to rush and fall on normal stairs. also love how these are essentially boat stairs, but didn't hear that being part of the inspiration for the design, but maybe I missed that detail
Great idea to round the corners of the non-slip tape.
Any pointy edge can catch and eventually unstick the whole thing.
Damn, you stepped down from that test step with such authority your whole room flipped over!
Also the "Hail Caesar!" after the sneeze was brilliant, I'm using that from now on.
Make an easier access to the hoarding space, that will certainly help with tackling your problem :)
I did i loft conversion in my old bungalow about 20 years ago and i made one of these staircases as there wasn't enough space to use a standard staircase when it was done my partner called it the stadder. that name stuck and everyone who saw it was amazed by it and the name Stadder brought laughs every time it was mentioned and everyone just had to have a go at climbing it. The Stadder was a complete success it solved the problem.
I first came across Javanese stairs in my early 20's working for an architect drawing up plans for his holiday home. About 15 years ago I built some to get up to my roofspace which I'd turn into an attic. 1 thing I would say, instead of having the cuttout on the centreline of the stair, stop the deeper part of the tread just short of the centreline so there is a gap down the middle, it makes them easier and safer to use. Also, as others have suggested, for safety i stall handrails, preferably on both sides? Another thing is the top step should be level with the floor as it makes it safer to use.
the top step bit, yes, it would automatically start the correct foot.
absolutely spiffing yet again you truly are a man in a shed, the highest accolade
I would recommend that you make sections of handrails with fitted toe boards for the loft storage area so that people or items don't fall down onto anyone or anything below.
You are the embodiment of “I can do it myself”; nice work!
Love the look of those stairs! Great idea and execution. I'm a sucker for rounded corners.
Just a thought, but added two more anti-slip pads on the cement pad and top of the landing might help you visually (or via tactile feedback) sense which foot should start the transition from up to down or visa versa.
I read your comment before I watched that part of the video and I fully agree.
I just aim for the first pad.
Concrete depending on how it's finished will have a rougher or as rough of a surface as that sandpaper pad.
I was thinking red and green but that might be a mind teaser
I'm not proud to say I noticed your subscribe sign. Nice work on the stairs.
That's a really clever idea and the finished product is beautiful!
Thanks for the great video!
Looks great and a lot of neat solutions to the little problems.
Great build! Love the humor. Thanks for sharing these projects on your channel.
"Look guys, I just had to stop working on this to show you how straight the piece of wood I got from Lowes is. This thing is so straight it wears Cargo shorts, listens to Dave Matthew's band, and is holding a fish in it's Tinder Profile."
Lmao, dude. You got yourself a sub.
Nice job!!
Those stairs remind me of those old fashioned rolling stair ladders they used to have in libraries.
Your content is great. Your editing work does not go unnoticed. Thank you for doing what you do. It's a pleasure to watch you work (in a non-creepy sort of way). Subscribed!
I was just about to begin my CNC project, originally I was going to build one for a full sheet, despite having to sacrifice nearly my entire space for it. Then I said, forget it. I'll just go with a 2x3 envelope. But then I saw yours. This is ingenius. Wide enough to fit a whole sheet, but small enough to not take up the whole shop. Then the way you use the machine, you've given me fantastic ideas.
I just love your videos Wesley just for the fact that you make me smile. Happy days cobber
It's a wonderful idea and simple one ! I learnt that how to execut by one person it's a good Technics you employed. Thanks for sharing.
i watch the entire video and i enjoyed it very much. thanks for the info. i am planning to make one of this for my loft.
WT awesome job. Very nice design. Can't wait to see more videos soon my friend. Keep up the great craftsmanship and hard work my friend. Keep making. God bless.
I recently had to repair some external stairs at the boys school I work at and I actually watched the boys using the stairs during a period change. The boys coming down the stairs were All using just the very nosing of each tread and I suspect that your grip tape needs to be closer to the front edge of each tread.
I was coming to comment that the grip tape should be further up. They make clear skateboard grip tape that could help preserve the look
Nice stairs! Practical and good looking.
Very, very nice project. Thank you for your great videos.
Interesting design! Thanks for posting, and thumbs up.
Fun fact!
These stairs are called Santos Dumont Stairs. Their inventor Santos Dumont made then first in 1918 at his house in Petropolis, Rio de Janeiro - Brasil.
Fun fact! Alternating tread stairs have been around since the 1800s.
Beautiful stairs! This would be perfect for my garage loft storage.
This may be the solution for replacing the basement steps in my daughter's old house, where space is severely limited. If I accept the challenge, though, all will have to be done with more primitive tools, which just means more work , patience and persistence. This video was very helpful, easy to follow and professionally presented.
In Brazil this has the name "Escada Santos Dumont" or Santos Dumont stairs. It's use in specific cases like this, small spaces
It turned out fantastic!
I am not going to critique your build. I like it. Great job, as always. It gets me inspired
Creative and well done as always!
It's a good build but I'm mainly impressed that you went 14 days without having a dumb. Two whole weeks! In my shop I'd need a remote control just to save the time of walking to push the reset button.
I don't know... 3:26 suggests he may have needed to reset that counter.
I was gone for awhile.
what an awesome and inspirational concept! 👌
You do absolutely great work!
That is one awesome set of stairs great idea!
"Looks like I'm a bottom" Love to hear it.
😂
Nicely done! I hope to see it in person one day.
Dude! I had that exact same Laser Tag riffle. Tag battles in the park - we were LARPing before LARPing was a thing. Wes - those stairs are TITS, man. Your brother is eating his words now! I'm sure you thought of this, but probably a good idea to add a grab bar on the wall to steady yourself while ascending/descending with armloads of ZIP drives, z cavaricci pants, and laser discs.
Very Interesting! Great job...
Thanks for sharing. Felix
If I'm not mistaken, in Dutch they are called (translated) miller's stairs as they were used in windmills due to the limited space available.
As per usual, a great video of a great and interesting build, the floor anchors were a clever solution. I would second the other comments about a handrail, better safe than sorry.
The "straight" 2x12 comment is worthy of a prize, utterly brilliant.
I had to look up Dave Matthews but I still got the joke!
love your work and your videomakig, nice work man!
They look so great!! Awesome job!
I appreciate it! The Halcyon was the right choice, thanks!
Look great, nice work
Nicely Done!
Nice work. Pretty.
Amazing as ever Wes! My first thought was how similar the rise and run is to a ladder on a US Navy ship. It was a bloody miracle I never fell down them, especially considering how many times I was carrying something way to heavy for the situation! :D Anyways, it is always a pleasure watching you work my friend!
Thanks, buddy!
This is a great design!
One word. Brilliant 👏👏👍😀
Fantastic work 👏
Looks rad dude. I just made drawings a few months ago for the steel shop to fabricate an alternating stair.
Neat! Good work.
I've seen one of these where they used the space between steps as a bookcase, for even more efficiency.
I tried to figure out a way to add storage, but at such a steep angle, there wasn't really any room.
Very cool design and great video!👍👍👍👍
Great content as always!
Beautiful man . . Course they'd kill me . .but still absolutely beautiful. I usedta have one of them ZIP drives for an old Mac laptop, pre-iName branding. Good stuff!
I’ve seen these made with a center stringer, and half treads on either side. Similar gate, but less possibility of catching a toe on the recessed part of the opposite tread.
To put your mind at ease, you'd have to deliberately kick your foot under the next step to catch your toe, and you'd probably hit your shin on the next step in the process. It would be a weird way to ascend stairs.
AXIS AND ALLIES!!! Oh the memories! Those were going for a pretty penny on Ebay.
that is awesome
Love your videos!
Cool! Boats have the same issue, but I’ve never seen this solution. Nice!!
Thanks, Mike!
This would be great in a THOW (tiny house on wheels).
A 3rd, center stringer would add strength and the ability to use thinner/lighter/more cost-effective materials, but would certainly not be as pretty.
Admittedly, I'm mid-binge and trying to break free so I didn't watch all the way through. Forgive me if you covered this.
You've gained a subscriber, though! I'll be watching plenty more in the future. :)
I love your freight lift!
Just found you thanks to your neon sign build with Jimmy, Love your sense of humor.
You made it 17 days without a dumb? That's fantastic 😀 👏
The sound effects are as awesome as ever.
Very cool!
When you were standing on the ladder stringing up the ratchet straps, you missed the opportunity to write "Wesley was here" on the joist. Many might not get the reference, but the setup was perfect.
So was Red.
@@JoeBcrafts perfect
I believe that what "Stairs" you created is called a "Ships Ladder". Awesome application and execution.
Thanks! A ship's ladder is actually a bit different, with shallower treads that span the full width. Here's a comparison: ua-cam.com/video/GX7k1-NMdJU/v-deo.html
@@WesleyTreat I stand corrected. Thanks
I believe they are commonly refered to as Jefferson Stairs. An example may be found at Thomas Jefferson's Monticello.
Very nice!
BRAVO!
Nice job
Loved the Subscribe reminder!
That subscribe Easter egg is genius 😃
Strategically placed subliminal messages…ground breaking!
Great video as always! Could you possibly build a dumb-waiter or lift to transport items to/from the loft?
This is a very entertaining video.
Full sheets huh? Where do you live again?
Great demo of the alternating tread stairwell. You are also very entertaining to watch. Thanks.
My favourite episode of Upstairs Downstairs ever!
This looks excellent, am planning something similar, are you able to tell me what the angle turned out to be or the floor to ceiling height and the going of the stairs so i know what's possible? many thanks looks ace :)
Oh my gosh are those dangerous. I love 'em!
An excellent project, but I am a bit concerned that the new beam and the joist ends are only connected by end nailing. I'd be much happier if they were reinforced by proper joist hangers.
Yeah, me as well. I'd also be happier if the cleat at the top of the stairs was bolted to the joist, but Wes will do what Wes will do, yes?
Thanks! That entire loft is built without hangers and has stood for about 15 years now, so meh. I also toe-nailed them, but I imagine there's only so much nailing people want to watch.
I love your delight- brilliant! lol x
New sub here. Thanks Jimmy
I had to subscribe because the waistband on his underoos said to. Great video!
Try adding a handrail on the wall. I think it will help when carrying heavy stuff.
Nice stairs BTW.
The steps reminds me of piano keys 🎹. Love it
Resisting the pun you must have suffered all your life, but… this video was such a pleasure to watch!
Super nice in a bar office to apartment 🤠
I’m impressed! 24:10
These look great! I know someone who knew someone who broke a leg falling down stairs like these, though alcohol was allegedly involved. Still a handrail seems like a good idea, especially since you'll probably be carrying something up or down more often than not.
You can cut the slots for the steps in the stringers all the way out to the back. This lets you fit the steps by slotting them in.
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I am guessing this is a spam bot.
I love your humor 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂
Great looking project Again.
O. And the "subscribe" was a nice toutch 😂
Greetings from Holland