Best Optiplex Budget Build ($200)
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- Опубліковано 15 тра 2024
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In this video I put together what I think is one of the best budget SFF Optiplex builds you can do right now.
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Optiplex 3080
i5-10505
16 GB RAM
Radeon WX 4100 4GB GDDR5
00:00 Intro
02:05 Installing RAM and GPU
04:02 Geekbench Scores
04:23 Fortnite
05:47 Hot Wheels Unleashed
06:30 Spiderman Remastered
07:06 Forza Horizon 5
08:04 Palworld
08:46 Descenders
10:01 Street Fighter 5
10:39 Halo
11:44 Call of Duty
13:03 Xbox - Dead or Alive 2
13:29 Outro/Star Wars Battle Pods
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Thank for sharing! 👍
That's a great PC for the price. Very nice build. 👍
Great deal....thanks for the info
Try the Arc A310 card, low profile single slot, blower type fan. Should be good for the Optiplex type pre-builts. Will need PCIe4 I think.
Would have liked to see more esports benchmarks as I think this would be a good use case for lots of people
I'm running an Quadro K1200 in my Optiplex 7020. Runs WOW and GW 2 and all my StarWars games.
While I prefer the 9000 series MT, this is a great example of what the average user can create in just minutes.
Great video!
13:03 20 years later, DOA 2 Ultimate still looks good.
Optiplex is great. I have a 9010 running Linux with zero problems.
This video shows why you should avoid any of the 30 class systems for a gaming build. Just shoot for the 50 or 70 class systems since you can use dual slots cards are you're not stuck with single slot. Also, the power supply would be fine for any slot powered card. Props on not going with the RX 6400. The WX 4100 is about on par with the 560 and at $50, I think that's quite a deal considering the cost of LP 560's.
is it just the 30 class? IDK about that... So I searched on the ones you mentioned (5080 and 7080) and they're both like that, with the x16 slot in the wrong place... Yeah, looking around at the various motherboards, it seems to be A LOT of them are like this, ever since the 4th generation onwards. Maybe the 7010 was okay but ever since 4th gen (3020/5020/7020/9020) it seems they've been doing that dumb shit of putting the x16 slot in the wrong place! Mad as hell about it! I wish there was a list or something of the ones that DO support dual-slot cards, as Copilot AI couldn't accurately tell me which ones do.
Maybe you're confusing the DT with the SFF? There seems to be three, maybe four sizes in the Optiplex range - USFF, which is really tiny and has no GPU expandability, SFF which supports only a single-slot low profile solution, DT which I think might be the one that supports a dual slot low profile card (not confirmed), and MT, which can accommodate pretty much anything you can power as long as it doesn't bump into the drive bay, and if it does, you can bend/remove the drive bay.
At this point, after having owned an Optiplex 3020 SFF for over 4 years and dealing with its limitations, although it's been a reliable PC, I'm thinking my next upgrade is going to be either something I build myself from parts (I haven't done that in a couple of decades, since probably 2005) or a Lenovo ThinkStation P520. But DELL is not on my list of options because of this type of BS. I started with integrated graphics for a week or two just to get the machine running, until I got a GT 1030 (GDDR5), which I ran for a year or two, then I got a (DELL branded) RX 550 4GB, and flip-flopped between those two at various points depending on which one was working better. The GT 1030's fan died but that didn't stop it, it would run up to 93 degrees C but no higher because that's what I set it to in Afterburner... a cat bumped the RX550 and it would POST but wouldn't work in Windows; IDK, so I went back to the 1030... but recently, out of the blue I heard that AMD had really improved drivers so I decided to put it back in and try it again, the problem was fixed. Probably a simple misalignment in the slot. That was the last card in there before my current one. I was about to test how much AMD had improved their drivers. Was it to the point where the RX550 is, in practice, significantly faster than the GT 1030? I was about to test that. But then, a couple of days later, I saw my current card...
Great choice on the WX 4100; I was seriously considering that card as an upgrade until I found a crazy deal on a card that looks suspiciously like it on Amazon (like 40% off) for a GTX 1050 4GB... yeah, 4GB non-Ti, go figure... It's a SRhonyra AKA Songrey... weird Chinese brand and they're marketing it towards 2U servers or whatever... still, the card was on sale for $94.95, which with tax and free shipping came out to $99.98 so literally just under $100... the card normally went for ~$165 so I can't complain. I realize that your card was much cheaper but hey I guess its's NVIDIA tax... NVENC and CUDA... sorry, NVENC is better than VCE. I've tried both, and the quality difference is noticeable.
@@SeeJayPlayGamesIn the Optiplex line, yes... it's just the 30 class systems. Also, yeah... they've been doing it since the 20 series and I agree that it's completely stupid, which is why I generally push people towards the HP 600/800 G1 or Z230 for Gen4 Intel CPU's, the Z240 for 6th and 7th Gen, the Z2 G4 for 8th and 9th Gen and the Z2 G5 for 10th and 11th Gen. They all have the x16 slot in the right spot and they generally have better power supply options and more room. The Z2 G5 is a little smaller than the Z2 G4, in that longer cards like the 4060 LP might require a little cutting, but there's still plenty of room for a dual slot card plus an expansion card.
Anyhow, take a look at the 50 and 70 class board again. In the 30 class systems you will find the x16 slot next to the power supply and an x1 slot next to the CPU. In the the 50 and 70 class systems you will still find the x16 slot next to the power supply, but an x4 slot next to the CPU. This x4 slot is open ended and supports the installation of x16 interface cards. Many people have opted to run this way to be able to install a dual slot GPU. Will it impact performance? Yes, to a slight degree, but it's a better alternative than limiting yourself to the dismal single slot options out there. And no, I'm not confusing the SFF with the DT. The DT, as far as I can tell, didn't exist past the 20 series. There is definitely no 3080 DT, just the MFF, SFF and MT.
Another good single slot option that I forgot is the Quadro P1000 4GB, which will perform about the same as a 1050 and you can find them on eBay for under $100. I've seen the off brand single slot cards. I'm kinda' surprised to see it selling so low as well. Should be a good card. The only issue with those is that they generally require hacked drivers from a sketchy source and don't work with the NVIDIA drivers. There's also the A2000... as you can install a single slot cooler on those for about $70, but considering the 6GB models sell for over $300 regularly on eBay... it's a tough sell.
It's also worth mentioning that there are other options to running dual slot cards, even in the 30 class systems... like replacing the power supply with an HD Plex unit that will give you the space you need, and give you a better power supply with a PCIe power connection.
Okay, yeah, there are the x4 open-ended slots, sure. I guess. The LP cards in this class are quite often x8 anyway. I happen to have one that's actually x16, but thanks to H81 it's PCIe 2.0 not 3.0. :( I think the 50, 70, 90 series have B85 or something that doesn't do that and actually does 3.0.
Yeah, SRhonyra advises in the box to use their drivers, but TBH I ignored them and said screw that, I don't trust it; I just used the drivers I already had installed and they worked fine, and recently I went and downloaded the latest official NVIDIA drivers... they seem to be working just fine; I don't see any problems or the need for any hacked drivers. Methinks they don't know what they're talking about, and/or they're trying to get you to install something shady. It IS weird that it has 4GB VRAM and it's not a Ti model, but that doesn't seem to matter, and honestly, if it DIDN'T have at least 4GB, it'd be a deal-breaker for me in this day and age. I've been running it since October, so about 5 months and it hasn't died or been weird at all... smooth sailing. I can attest to the fact that it is indeed a good card.
I hadn't really considered the HD Plex power supply route, partly because it's relatively expensive, but may do that if I get the money to do that sort of thing. It just seems like an expensive option, at $175 for a 500W power supply, but considering I'd also be spending a lot on the GPU (LP 3050 is $185, LP RTX 4060 is $320) as well, I guess it makes sense on some level. Although at that point it might be CPU bottlenecked for 1080p, so it would be more of a 1440p/4K system after that upgrade. So I'd "have to" set up DSR so I can run games at a virtual 1440p until I can afford a monitor upgrade. This kind of upgrade makes no sense without first going to an i7 or equivalent Xeon, does it? So, with power supply, GPU, and CPU upgrades, we're approaching $400-$550. I can build a whole AM4 system for about that, but I have to admit, it'd be the ultimate sleeper Opti while still being an Opti and not just a shell for a completely different build inside. Damn. You've got me actually considering this madness. I already have a 2x2.5"-3.5" bay adapter for moar internal SSD madness whenever I can afford moar SSDs and remove the 4TB spinner. Let's goooooooooooo... before it's over it's going to be $1000 worth of upgrades stuffed into an old Optiplex, LOL.
And to think that the machine spent the first three years of its life with a 500GB spinning rust drive and 4GB of single channel memory, doing boring office crap, and now I'm trying to make it a respectable gaming rig, inasmuch as that's possible.
I just wonder how much of a boost an i7 really is over the i5 that's already there. I mean, even though the i7 supports hyperthreading, the i5 still has the same number of transistors, so the difference can't be but SO much. Can it?
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@@SeeJayPlayGames Yes, all of them have the x16 slot next to the power supply... the 30 class, 50 class and 70 class. I'm was not saying that 50/70 class systems didn't. What I am saying is that the 50/70 class have an x4 slot above the x16 slot that you can install a dual slot GPU into where the 30 class only has an x1 slot, which you cannot. So, in the 50/70 class systems, while the x16 slot is next to the power supply, you can still install a dual slot GPU in the x4 slot above it.
You should try intels low profile GPUs next
cant you just put optiplex guts on matx case, nice psu and midrange graphics card?
Nice find and great setup. I wonder how the wx4100 compares to a quadro p1000 or T600.
The WX4100 is 1:1 a RX 460 1024SP, although they are rare. It matches an RX 560, which is the same hardware code named differently. They run a little bit slower than a 1050 and a P1000 is a little bit slower than a 1050 TI. T600 performs just above 1050 TI levels of performance
you can use RX 6400 low profile single slot version, should be better than wx4100
I've been learning about Optiplex upgrades lately and I've just picked up a optiplex 3060 MT for £51 inc shipping.
I'm going to upgrade the i3 8100 to i7 8700, upgrade the RAM from 8gb 2400 MHZ to 16gb dual channel 2666 MHZ.
Upgrade PSU to an SFX PSU (probably the be quiet 3 450w) and buy a 24 to 6 pin adapter for the motherboard
And put a ZOTAC 2070 super mini in.
I think if I can make some money back on the PSU (eBay), CPU and RAM (trade in credit at UK trade in store CEX) then it'll cost around £360.
Can't wait to see how it turns out, my only concern is the cooling, I'll probably need to upgrade the CPU fan but I'm not sure about the rest of the case.
By the time you have done all that you might aswell of just made a used AM4 system. You seen the price of those i7 8700?
£75 including shipping at UK store CEX - comes with 24 month warranty too@@WTBMrGrey
Just buy a ps5 and save all the windows bs hassle!😂
Hey, curious overall - why not stick to Lenovo PCs? they still use standard 4pin fan headers so replacing cooler, case fans or even adding some more fans is very easy to do on those
anyway, always nice to see some budget pc montage :)
Not sure why I haven’t looked into Lenovo’s. I’ll keep my eyes open for deals on them. This one I just happen to come across on FB Marketplace.
@@basicdadtech also if you are planning to use WX 4100, try to look for card called „Sapphire GPRO 4300” - those uses same shroud as WX 4100, but are painted black.
Oh yea - and those are really RX 550X (with 4GB of VRAM) but in WX 4100 size
Nice build, nice video! You may have let the WX4100 cat out of the bag, and prices may climb on these nifty little cards. If you want to play games at 1080p on high settings that were made in the last five years, this is not the build for you. If you want to play FPS shooters, and games like Final Fantasy XIII or even Arkham Knight, you could do worse than this little build. However, an Xbox Series S would also fit the bill here, though it won't play emulators as easily as this would. You could totally run RPCS3, CEMU, and SUYU on this build at 1080P. What a lot of people don't talk about is the power efficiency of SFF machines like this. The Optiplex as configured here draws less power than my laptop with Ryzen 5700U and mobile 3060, though the laptop is considerably more powerful.
The Dell optiplex series are really 720P60 frames per second gaming machines depending on what kind of graphics card you get you could really play at 1080P low settings 30 frames per second i have a Dell optiplex 7050 with a 6th Gen. i5 6500 a Radeon RX-550 pro with two gigabytes of ram I have 16 gigabytes of DDR4 and 700 gigabytes of SSD and m.two 4.0 I could do 60 frames per second 720P or 1080P30 frames per second it's really not as bad as it seems it's a really good deal for the price if you can manage to get good parts in good prices for the them. i moslty play at 720p medium settings at 60 frames per second which is pretty good with anti leasing and FX effects on. on need for speed 2015 NASCAR heat 3 NBA 2k24 fortnite and skyrim all run at 60fps 720 medium settings iv been playing games my whole life at 30-60fps so i cant really tell the difference iv notice that if you don't put a secondary cooling fan in any of the low profile for form factor Dell PC's the GPU always gets hotter than the CPU I figured that once you put in another fan get to around 60 to 70 Celsius tops so if you are ever gonna put in a small form factor GPU and a small form factor PC especially these dells that power supply is always gonna be right next to their GPU so it's always gonna be hot they have your GPU being at 100% it's not bad it is long as it's not getting hot
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I just picked up a 3070 with i5 9500, 16GB of RAM and 256 SSD/1TB HDD for $80. I actually bought it for the CPU, I was getting ready to sell a proper gaming PC that had a 9100F and mismatched RAM. The optiplex was set at 2666, my mismatched kit was 2666, once I swapped RAM kits, the Dell RAM had an XMP 2 profile for 3000, and it worked great in that system, so it was a huge win.
Now I need a display adaptor of some sort, and am having a tough time remembering this isn't a gaming PC, so an ancient $10 AMD HD will work.
I would have gladly paid $120 for a similar system with a 10400, that is a bit more relevant, and a much easier sell.
a 3070 for 80 bucks what the hell
Where do you guys live? I have never seen this kind of config around my area
I have a 3070 I got after a client decommissioned one. great sff, my only complaint is I can't get faster NVME speeds because of the chipset but that not really a concern since I'm using it as a media center pc
Lightening struck again. About three weeks ago there was a marketplace post offering a Lenovo Thinkcenter for $100, had three half decent pictures, one was an Intel i7 10th generation sticker. No other specs given, I immediately replied I would take it for $100 (haggling at that price would be foolish), and heard crickets, no response at all. This morning she finally messaged back that she still had it if I still wanted it. I went to pick it up, she met me at the door with the PC, and a pretty nice Lenovo L27M-28 monitor, it wasn't pictured or mentioned, but it was included. I am restoring windows 11 now, it indeed has an i7 10700, 16GB of RAM at 3000mt and a 512GB MVNE, no HDD but I can live with that.
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Designed for space-conscious, everyday workplace computing, this micro desktop features a 10th Gen 2.3 GHz Intel Core i5-10500T Six-Core and 16GB of 2666 MHz DDR4 RAM for snappy processing. Additionally, the integrated Intel UHD 630 Graphics supports multiple monitors, providing ample screen space.
he's on x games mode
not bad not good
so I noticed you didn't run the Geekbench 6 GPU test... that's too bad; that could have been interesting. I tested this myself on my GTX 1050 4GB, under OpenCL and it scored 18250; according to the chart your GPU should score around 18772 (more or less) so they should be right around the same level, with your card ever so slightly faster (~3%). It also says I have 5 compute units, when I'm pretty sure I have 640 CUDA cores... maybe 128 CUDA cores equates to one OpenCL "compute unit?"
@SeeJayPlayGames I’ll try the GPU test and let you know the results. 👍
@SeeJayPlayGames Ran the Geekbench GPU tests - OpenCL Score = 17210. Vulcan Score = 19640
I feel the need to mention that I am slightly (55MHz core/100MHz RAM) overclocking my GPU. Tried the Vulkan test but the website crashed after the test was done. IDK.@@basicdadtech
Tried doing the Vulkan benchmark and was greeted with "500 Server Error" in my browser. Lovely. @@basicdadtech
I have a small form factor build aswell and im looking to upgrade my power supply but i cant find anything that'll fit inside the sff optiplex any recommendations?
You are better off to buy a cheap case and then transfer over the board. Then you can use a standard ATX power supply and full-size graphics cards.
Yeah you're better off buying a $50 case and swapping what you can into the new one. There aren't too many power supplies you can find to go in the small form factor cases so you're kind of screwed at that point also it's not easy to find a case that can just house a Dell optiplex motherboard for a lot of those cases you have to make custom brackets for motherboard which is not easy. @@chrish6373
A TFX PSU is probably what you're looking for + adapters for anything proprietary.
sweet deal on that optiplex, I'm jealous, next you could get a RX6400 and compare gaming performance.
That would be hard. The low-profile 6400s I've seen are all dual slots. Some Optiplexes have space for a dual slot, but this one doesn't.
@@marioprawirosudiro7301 ???? Sapphire, XFX, Power Color, Yeston, HP OEM = all single slot solutions. Gigabyte was the only dual slot I saw on a quick Ebay search????
@@marioprawirosudiro7301 ???? looking on Ebay I found several single-slot solutions from Yeston, Sapphire, HP OEM, XFX, Power Color... the only dual-slot I saw was from Gigabyte.
lol 10 -10 tech review man lol. dont know how to remove the drive.... priceless. thats how i do things when i dont need to remove it right away. keep it up bro. doh i think the card is the problem.
Very cheap maybe better build is get a HP-ProDesk-600-G1-SFF. They are dirt cheap now and don't worry about the CPU or even if it comes with one and pair the GPU with the Xeon(R) CPU E3-1265L v3. They really don't cost all that much and pretty easy to find if you are willing to wait for the delivery. Would go for 16GB of RAM. Speed of it really doesn't make a huge difference, but as they all cost about the same go for the HyperX FURY 1866 MHz if it didn't come with any RAM.
I did a video on the HP ProDesk a few months ago. I put in an E3-1241v3 though. Was really happy with how it came out.
If this is being used for gaming it would have been better to go with a 1650 or a 4060 depending on your budget as this is a workstation gpu so it’s not made for gaming
I’ve had one in a similar system since toasty bros suggested them and built a system. Games as well as an RX 560. Drivers actually support the gaming features
my school uses that pc lol
Can I keep upgrading it overtime?
Yes you could
clearly a poor gpu but for 200$ pc it's very good!
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FPS isn't the only performance point that should be considered. While you were playing the GPU was completely pegged at 100% and the temps were really high which means your probably thermal throttling the card at some point which will hurt over all performance in the long run and eventually it will kill that card. The GPU you are using just isn't capable of keeping up with the 10th Gen CPU and there in lies the problem with most pre-built off-lease business PC's. The options and upgrade path is extremely limited and even though this was a really good deal for a 10th Gen system it has major limitations and is not going to give the performance that most gamers want and need. I think you need to find a better GPU.
GPU bottleneck is always better than CPU bottleneck. I agree that the WX 4100 isn't a good pairing with a 10th Gen system. It would be a better match with a 4th Gen. But it's probably not going to kill the card, just limit performance. TJ max temps for GPU silicon exceed 90 degrees. Honestly that card's BIOS probably is limiting its power consumption anyway. I have an RX 550 in this size that is BIOS limited to 32W instead of 50W.
Still, I would have gone for at least a 3050 if not a 4060 LP card with this system. But then, there's the slot configuration to contend with... so... screw DELL may they burn in hell ;) Seriously an RX 6400 would have probably been the best choice here given the givens. Which is sad because that's not that great of a GPU. A T1000 might be good, it's about GTX 1650 level, but then again so is an RX 6400 and it's half the price. It's just hard to find a "good" GPU for this type of PC because none are really made, and DELL's design seems to work against it on purpose, and that's sad.
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