The Hidden Costs of Long Playtimes in Modern Gaming

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    0:00 - Intro
    0:41 - Quantity Over Quality
    4:28 - Your Time is Worth Something
    7:08 - Crunch
    9:38 - A Cohesive Package
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  • @CircleToonsHD
    @CircleToonsHD  Рік тому +2638

    What are some other games you'd add to this list? What game have you played recently that you just can't bring yourself to finish???
    ALSO, I just dropped possibly my best 2nd channel video yet! check it out :> ua-cam.com/video/V3qHLhxe9Z8/v-deo.html

    • @vishnuram5208
      @vishnuram5208 Рік тому +71

      Super Mario Bros

    • @vishnuram5208
      @vishnuram5208 Рік тому +31

      The original

    • @zakariabozo1027
      @zakariabozo1027 Рік тому +40

      God of war 1(2004) is better than modern God of war

    • @karma5746
      @karma5746 Рік тому +36

      Bloodborne

    • @courier6640
      @courier6640 Рік тому +140

      **Coughs violently**
      Elden Ring.
      **Leaves**
      Edit: Oh. Nevermind then. You got good taste in games. (Even without mentioning ER)

  • @siegwardofcatarina100
    @siegwardofcatarina100 Рік тому +13471

    It's still strange seeing him actually animating instead of dragging stuff around and it's hilarious

  • @Eisenight
    @Eisenight 11 місяців тому +1161

    And that's why indies are thriving. Not too short to be forgotten, not too long to be of a nuisance.

    • @naejimba
      @naejimba 11 місяців тому +39

      Exactly. I can't wait until audiences catch on to what SHMUPs have been doing since the '90s. It's basically the complete opposite of what games do today, where the goal is to quickly get a plyer into the action and not waste any time. Either you can play them for free or they are super cheap to buy, and they boast the most complex scoring systems of any genre which adds hours and hours of replayability. People are sleeping on them and have no idea just how good they got over the years... nothing like the arcade titles I grew up with.

    • @sonicrunn3r895
      @sonicrunn3r895 11 місяців тому +14

      Sometimes you can have your cake and eat it too though, games like Crosscode are GIANT SIZED for indie game length standards and yet I didn’t feel like ANY of that time was wasted with how much is focused into the strong gameplay and story that still sticks with me.

    • @mr.pavone9719
      @mr.pavone9719 11 місяців тому +2

      I played BIOTA over a week long vacation and loved it. I even finished it.

    • @Slytherin_Crow5972
      @Slytherin_Crow5972 11 місяців тому +7

      Unpopular opinion:: the gaming world is catering more to the female population due to women inherently being more objective based and checklist oriented than men who go to one action after the next. For instance men want action women want story.

    • @sonicrunn3r895
      @sonicrunn3r895 11 місяців тому +64

      @@Slytherin_Crow5972 This is the weirdest take I've ever seen LMAO

  • @xdphotonyx9542
    @xdphotonyx9542 7 місяців тому +772

    This has got to be one of the biggest contributors to the rise of indie games, they're fun and quick and dont have much filler

    • @Dargonhuman
      @Dargonhuman 4 місяці тому +13

      I just started and finished a Rusty Lake game in about twoish hours last night and had a blast with it the entire time. Some of the puzzles had me stumped so bad I had to look up a guide, but other than those two or three moments (and in fairness, I never would have figured those puzzles out on my own because my brain just doesn't work that way) I walked away feeling very satisfied.

    • @samdavies2069
      @samdavies2069 4 місяці тому +8

      There’s literally an abundance of indie titles that are open ended or constantly being drip fed content stardew valley satisfactory.? Might be hard to think of it as such but Minecraft was an indie game.
      How many of these indie games have been drip fed content for nearly a decade.
      I’d go as far to say the mainstream/triple aaa are chasing indie games seeing the success of keeping single games on life support, literally building gaming empires from nothing.

    • @tankofnova9022
      @tankofnova9022 20 днів тому

      Then helldivers 2 happened. Lots of content that ISN'T CRAP!

    • @issarealbanger7734
      @issarealbanger7734 6 днів тому

      Hollow Knight is a prime example of this. Your first playthrough is likely to take upwards of 40 hours… despite the game being able to be beaten by even casual players (assuming that’s the goal) in under 5.

  • @TheEnder515
    @TheEnder515 4 місяці тому +161

    I think this is part of the reason people are going nuts for Baldur's Gate 3. That game is long - VERY, VERY LONG - but there is hardly a moment where you don't feel like you aren't accomplishing some goal, or where it begins to feel repetitive.

    • @matthewporter7871
      @matthewporter7871 2 місяці тому +5

      Idk man, combat feels pretty repetitive after halfway through.

    • @TheEnder515
      @TheEnder515 2 місяці тому +5

      @@matthewporter7871 I didn't feel that, but then again, I'm an avid DnD player and it's not a huge deal to me to respec a character if I wantto switch up their build. I guess I can see how some might feel that way.

    • @skinnywizard6351
      @skinnywizard6351 2 місяці тому

      YES, the combat allows you to be so creative and so does the world around you and it's so good

    • @Goobt64
      @Goobt64 Місяць тому +1

      I had to stop somewhere in act 2 as it was way too much and I didn’t feel like I was even making a dent in progress and it just overwhelmed me to the point of quitting

    • @x0gucx
      @x0gucx 17 днів тому

      @@matthewporter7871
      I mean it's DnD combat so it's mostly based on what you can imagine doing with the actions and how you can combo them. you can set up a bunch of barrels before a fight, create an invincibility bubble then proceed to nuke the area around you, even create an undead that radiates an aura of death that slowly drains everything that is next to it.
      But again it's dnd and strategy based so it's still gonna be a lot of the same feelings when fighting.

  • @aaronstrager4247
    @aaronstrager4247 Рік тому +1840

    This is how I felt about Cult of the Lamb. Super polished, super short, almost no replayability. When it was over, I felt disappointed that “that was it”, but in hindsight it was one of the more enjoyable playing experiences I’ve had

    • @code974ap
      @code974ap Рік тому +36

      Did they just add more content recently?

    • @NORMIES_GET_OUT
      @NORMIES_GET_OUT Рік тому +41

      I thought it was a roguelike. Haven't played it yet but I've heard good things.

    • @aaronstrager4247
      @aaronstrager4247 Рік тому +109

      @@NORMIES_GET_OUT It is in a very limited sense. Most roguelikes are defined by item or enemy variety, which Cult of the Lamb has not much of either. Still a fun game, but I think calling it a roguelike is generous

    • @McYum.
      @McYum. Рік тому +30

      Basically how I feel about pizza tower. It was pretty fun for me to 100% tho

    • @tarentino2005
      @tarentino2005 Рік тому +5

      Adding to his list for anyone trying to find good short games
      Going under & Road 96 are good too

  • @Stephen-fake
    @Stephen-fake Рік тому +1225

    As shammy once said “a 5 hour game worth playing twice is always better than a 10 hour game barely worth playing once”

    • @fx0001
      @fx0001 Рік тому +14

      But what about p5r, a 100+ hour game worth playing multiple times

    • @Stephen-fake
      @Stephen-fake Рік тому +65

      @@fx0001 P5R is a great game, it more refers to poorly made games that just promise more than they dare to give. The idea is that if you can’t put 10 hours of content into a game without stretching it, don’t. just put your best foot forward and make a great short game rather than a bland long one

    • @fx0001
      @fx0001 Рік тому +7

      @Stephen-fake damn, thats some amazing philosophy, holy shit

    • @endlesspie49
      @endlesspie49 Рік тому +3

      ​@@Stephen-fake I think the best way is how some game have specific missions or moments that individually only last like 20 to 30 mins per mission normally, but the encounter are rich enough or have enough tools to approach it very differently ways.
      My personal favorite nowadays example is the early game halo infinite mission to assault the tower, you can go straight to it, or you can load a razorback full of marines and ram into battle. Or you can even steal a nearby tank and blow up every alien bastard dumb enough to even think they have a chance to stop you.
      Other ones are game like xcom 2, warcraft 3 and many more. You don't really need to invest to much to have a good time, and there is always good content made by the comunity that's worth checking out if you want more.

    • @TheChilipepper77
      @TheChilipepper77 Рік тому

      @@fx0001couldn’t get through 5 hours of it

  • @edfed3797
    @edfed3797 8 місяців тому +170

    Titanfall 2 PERFECTLY fits the 5-10hr narrative. The entire game can easily be finished in a single day and even though the story is cliche and the villains have less personality then a cardboard cutout its still incredibly fun with amazing level design, movement and BT as a character. The ending is also quite hard hitting even if its very predictable.

    • @MrSoldiersideBR
      @MrSoldiersideBR 3 місяці тому +5

      PROTOCOL 3: PROTECT THE PILOT

    • @Alessandropollok
      @Alessandropollok 2 місяці тому +1

      ​@@MrSoldiersideBR BT,BTTTTTTTT

    • @RandomStudios320
      @RandomStudios320 2 місяці тому +2

      Not to mention it DOES have that cravible challenge too but it's optional so it's good for all lvls (and the graphics are literally the best I've ever seen in any game)

    • @Alessandropollok
      @Alessandropollok 2 місяці тому +1

      @@RandomStudios320 remember this game was made with the source engine

    • @rocker56_
      @rocker56_ 2 місяці тому

      Oh and Yk it’s also got the most fun multiplayer fps ever made

  • @blitzboy2934
    @blitzboy2934 8 місяців тому +255

    This is why I LOVE indie games! They aren’t expected to last forever, but they are absolutely phenomenal while they do. They also have a ton of extra content, and it’s actually really good. Also *most* indie game fans are fine with delays since it just means that the game comes out better like you said.

    • @ten-dimension9390
      @ten-dimension9390 5 місяців тому +2

      Hi. You know I am looking for some really good indie games. Could you tell me your most favourite indie game?

    • @c.h.i.p140
      @c.h.i.p140 5 місяців тому +3

      @@ten-dimension9390 Holdfast: Nations at War, Arma 3, War Hammer: Darktide, Mordhau, Chivalry 2, Starship Troopers Extermination… Hope some of those are good

    • @ten-dimension9390
      @ten-dimension9390 5 місяців тому +3

      @@c.h.i.p140 looks like my friend is a fan of Multiplayer games :). I personally don't play multiplayer games. But the games you mentioned look really cool nonetheless. If you have any single player, offline sort of favourite indie games then I'll be happy to know.

    • @somo4227
      @somo4227 4 місяці тому

      ​@@ten-dimension9390cruelty squad

    • @Dr.Freeman...
      @Dr.Freeman... 4 місяці тому

      @@ten-dimension9390 New Blood games are amazing, would recommend

  • @JamesRoyceDawson
    @JamesRoyceDawson Рік тому +606

    This is why I play a lot of indie games. They don't demand more than a few hours of my time and that's all I got

    • @seraphimhead553
      @seraphimhead553 Рік тому +41

      Pizza tower is a pretty good one, its fast and frenetic, comic, really fun and good and to only finish the game normally it wont take you more tha lets say 6 hours

    • @DeathnoteBB
      @DeathnoteBB Рік тому +62

      Not to mention they’re usually always cheaper, even before sales

    • @Rose-ew7bv
      @Rose-ew7bv Рік тому +5

      Library of runia be like

    • @Kenoboi_42
      @Kenoboi_42 Рік тому +69

      I feel indie games tend to respect your time more because the developers aren't controlled by some soulless corporation.

    • @punishing_birb
      @punishing_birb Рік тому +5

      ​@@Rose-ew7bv can't say the same for lobotomy corporation

  • @hourglass1988
    @hourglass1988 11 місяців тому +651

    One thing not mentioned here that I realized all these games are missing is satisfaction. There is something so mentally satisfying about tying up a game, experience, or story with a nice little bow when you FINISH it. All these endless games just sorta peter out with a sigh so you always leave the experience, either for that day or forever, with no sense of closure or accomplishment.

    • @jacob96014
      @jacob96014 11 місяців тому +26

      TitanFall 2 comes to mind. Man that campaign was amazing to play through and I played it like 5 years ago. I dont remember anything about it but I remember laughing, having fun with the game and tearing up at the end. I should play that again sometime lol

    • @martinsantos6497
      @martinsantos6497 11 місяців тому +13

      Heck, even the call of duty used to be satisfying, one of my favorite experiences was conquering the reichstag in world at war. Yeah some games were a grind. like Legend of dragoon but the payout was amazing. Cant say I've played a game like that in a long time.

    • @davetom8517
      @davetom8517 10 місяців тому +2

      ​@@martinsantos6497Did someone with impeccable taste just say "Legend of Dragoon?" Yes, you had to grind to upgrade your additions and get all the magic spells, and yes there were a few tedious side quests... But like he said, at least it was attainable. And the godly music, engaging gameplay, and intriguing story made it all worthwhile.

    • @jex-the-notebook-guy1002
      @jex-the-notebook-guy1002 10 місяців тому +1

      Satisfactory isn't finished and it's meant to be satisfying. You know what's satisfying in it? Solving your problems. You know what's also satisfying? Watching your problems get solved. It just looks nice placing stuff. I'm too lazy to go back on though

    • @RifetOkic
      @RifetOkic 10 місяців тому +1

      Rachet & Clank, Nier Automata

  • @metgaming9545
    @metgaming9545 4 місяці тому +17

    one golden rule that gamers, game developers, and pretty much everyone should remember:
    "Games are supposed to be fun."

    • @A1stardan
      @A1stardan 25 днів тому

      Now it's chores

    • @amongus1519
      @amongus1519 16 днів тому

      @@A1stardan except shovel knight

  • @dustinflowers1914
    @dustinflowers1914 8 місяців тому +50

    I actually really appreciate TotK for this because like, yeah, it has potentially hundreds or even thousands of hours of filler, but you don't have to get through damn near any of that filler to do the story and get to the advertised good parts.

    • @Delmworks
      @Delmworks 7 місяців тому

      Agreed. I admit I have little unrest in to beyond that point but it was a fun journey

    • @Ssjangel3
      @Ssjangel3 5 місяців тому +2

      It's done right. It's not even filler at all. The game doesn't force you to walk around aimlessly exploring. It encourages you to but not an obligation to get the main game done. For most people who do explore actually enjoy it. I haven't really heard anyone complain about climbing a mountain or walking through valleys.

    • @blepleb
      @blepleb Місяць тому +1

      YES. I JUST WROTE AN EXACT COMMENT LIKE THIS WITHOUT EVEN SEEING THIS ONE😭

    • @eeveestar6826
      @eeveestar6826 2 дні тому

      I remember in my playthrough of TOTK, after the Wind Temple I couldn't decide where to go next so I though "Oh, how about the Dueling Peaks to Kakariko Village to Hateno Village route, just like in Breath of the Wild?"
      It took me an entire real life day to get to Hateno Village because I kept getting distracted by shrines, treasure, monster camps etc. But I wasn't FORCED to do that. I could have just ran straight there in maybe half an hour, I just didn't want to because exploring is more fun. It took forever for me to get from point A to point B because I kept getting distracted and going on side adventures

  • @HeisenbergFam
    @HeisenbergFam Рік тому +1949

    You know its deadly serious when CircleToons uploads a video longer than 2 minutes, the quality is on point

    • @lspuria8440
      @lspuria8440 Рік тому +19

      I've seen u around, but you'll be forgotten soon enough just like Justin Y or just some guy without a mustache. It's all the same.

    • @electricre1967
      @electricre1967 Рік тому +2

      And he’s animating

    • @electricre1967
      @electricre1967 Рік тому +1

      And making the best take in the world

    • @janreiafrica
      @janreiafrica Рік тому +32

      @@lspuria8440 Everyone and everything gets forgotten eventually. You comment like you said a very profound thing, but your reply is as worthless as the comment you're replying to.
      It doesn't provide any substance to the video, nor to this comment section. Even this reply is worthless.

    • @lspuria8440
      @lspuria8440 Рік тому +7

      @@janreiafrica true. Everything is meaningless. From ashes to ashes. Dust to dust.

  • @somepepperonyoutube8374
    @somepepperonyoutube8374 Рік тому +559

    As someone who's sunk hundreds of hours into the Hollow Knight boss grind, I feel like i can say that making games open to modding? absolutely the way to go for long playtimes. An active mod community can just about add infinite time to games, and not only can people choose what they want, they get the experience of having a developer that just... knows how they feel as a fellow player

    • @TrueLimeyhoney
      @TrueLimeyhoney Рік тому +58

      That’s the Minecraft art that so many games don’t understand. In order to keep a game alive forever, you need to have a good modding scene. So people make games putting a lot of emphasis into modding. BUT MINECRAFT DOESNT!
      The core gameplay of minecraft is fun, simple, and easy to expand upon, and so the modding scent arrives

    • @wallywalrushd243
      @wallywalrushd243 Рік тому +24

      This is why I LOVE games like deep rock galactic and satisfactory. They actively incourage modding by hosting weekly dev streams where they showcase/play with mods. It doesnt only connect the community and devs together but it also really expands the lifespan of the games.

    • @TheDigitalWatcher
      @TheDigitalWatcher Рік тому +30

      Mods are the only reason Bethesda is STILL selling Skyrim instead of making TES VI

    • @Bolt505
      @Bolt505 Рік тому +1

      ​@@TheDigitalWatcher Well there's at least working on it.

    • @zeromailss
      @zeromailss Рік тому +3

      yes but the point of long playtime is to increase revenue by selling things like subscription or battlepass on top of selling more copies as more people played post launch but that is just a bonus, most of the AAA game with long playtime have in game cash store where you can buy stuff with real money for example Ass creed and other Ubisoft title. Completely different from game like Souls franchise who thrive through the community while selling the game only once (maybe with one or two DLC later on with substantial content) while all of the cosmetic and weapon etc are unlockable by playing, not paying

  • @sambarber944
    @sambarber944 3 місяці тому +23

    This is the exact reason why I feel I've grown so attached to rogue-likes like Binding of Isaac and (like you included in your list) Vampire Survivors. A single playthrough never exceeds an hour but you always feel like you're making progress through achieving completion marks, unlocking more stuff for the game or at the very least getting better at the game. And you can drop the game for the day immediately afterwards and feel like that time spent was worthwhile. They're SO useful in my hectic adult life!

    • @x0gucx
      @x0gucx 17 днів тому

      almost completed vampire survivors and recently started playing the pokeRouge fan game I love action rouge likes. It started getting me into randomizing my games like eldenring😂

  • @CrimsonNick171
    @CrimsonNick171 8 місяців тому +66

    This is why I can appreciate the Yakuza franchise. The games give you something to do at any given time. Even if you're trying to B-Line to the next objective, the game itself will throw a substory your way to break some tension or give you a nice subgame that you can either go back to or not. It's not perfect, but you genuinely get your time and money's worth in each game.

    • @pizzaonbread7591
      @pizzaonbread7591 7 місяців тому

      Very glad someone is mentioning Yakuza! Got over 20 hours on each game I’ve played so far (0 to Kiwami 2) and I don’t regret a single minute! It throws you right to the story but let’s you explore the world as much as you’d like, with all sorts of activities. They’re definitely my favorite games of all time!!!

    • @ningensan8198
      @ningensan8198 5 місяців тому +2

      Wtf the yakuza series is the best example of games filled with shitty filler content to the brim

    • @gwento_kun2817
      @gwento_kun2817 5 місяців тому +2

      ​@@ningensan8198which you don't need to do at all to be able to enjoy the main narrative. Even on harder difficulties you don't need to do the side stuff if it doesn't interest you. So no, the game doesn't have filler like for example Elden Ring with it's 180 bosses or whatever

    • @lukua5686
      @lukua5686 4 місяці тому

      ​@@ningensan8198i honestly hate filler but yakuza is so fkn funny i actually dont care

    • @akechigoro3340
      @akechigoro3340 3 місяці тому

      ​@@gwento_kun2817 fella you dint need to shit in a beloved game to defend another beloved game, you can also ignore the filler bosses in Er and only kill the big ones

  • @RedRiotRoss
    @RedRiotRoss Рік тому +812

    This is why I like roguelikes that are finished! They are simply built for variety and fun in a concise amount of time. Permanent death on a run gives every run a particular weight and uniqueness that is hard to feel outside the genre. Live service is a plague 🎉

    • @chickenlover2345
      @chickenlover2345 Рік тому +1

      That's why I love rouge adventure

    • @KJawesome5
      @KJawesome5 Рік тому +7

      Same! (In addition to my borderline gambling addiction with these things lol) these games are perfectly designed for people who can only play for a few hours at a time. Most of em take 1-2 hours at the most if you can make it all the way through and and even if you don't the run most games try to make the run feel accomplishing by giving progression rewards, increasing an ascending difficulty for future runs, or just allowing you to learn the mechanics of the game and move sets of the bosses better, plus they're great to play on the go! After playing 500 hours of slay the spire on PC I got it on my phone and have so far clocked another 1600 hours just bc it works so well to play a few turns before I have to go do something

    • @gorrazin7983
      @gorrazin7983 Рік тому +11

      Rouge- likes and Rouge- lite games are always a treat. Hades, Rouge Tower, High Fleet, Enter the Gungeon, Rouge Legacy, FTL: Faster Than Light, Caves of Qud, Noita, The Binding of Isaac, Slay the Spire, Wizard of Legend, Crypt of the Necrodancer, Risk of Rain, and Risk of Rain 2 (or as I like to call the series, Probability of Precipitation) are some examples of good games that you absolutely can sink hours into if you want, but you don't have to.
      I feel one of the things I like about the Rouge- like and Rouge- lite genres is the varying number of other genres it can inhabit. Hades for instance is isometric and the setting is Greek mythology. Rouge Legacy, as another example, is a side scrolling game but the setting is medieval fantasy. Crypt of the Necrodancer is also medieval fantasy, but instead if being something of a side scrolling hack and slash, it's a isometric rhythm dungeon crawling game. I mean you can even play Rouge- like and Rouge- lite deck builder/ card games. There's so much variety that there is bound to be at least one that you'll enjoy.
      As a final note, these games are almost always made by small indie companies that, in my experience so take the statement with a grain of salt, actually care what their communities have to say about their games and are pretty hands on with feedback.
      As I little side note I'll define the difference between Rouge- like and Rouge- lite. Rouge- like games are when you take a character into the game and you try to make your way through the entire game and if you die you lose all progress. Rouge- lite game are much the same but after you die you usually have some type of meta progression that makes subsequent runs easier. I consider Risk of Rain to be a proper Rouge- like game because while you do unlock new items that can influence your run and make it easier, they're not actually needed nor do they make they game any easier if you don't obtain them. You can just as easily beat the game on your first playthrough.
      Whereas games like Rouge Legacy have meta progression that make the game easier with each time you die, therefore making it a Rouge- lite. I didn't mean for this post to get this long but... o well ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    • @rizzouh
      @rizzouh Рік тому +9

      well, in some ways roguelites (sic) also gatekeep content over time, sadly

    • @blessedafricarains6429
      @blessedafricarains6429 Рік тому +1

      Try noita it's very fun

  • @mccabbagepatch
    @mccabbagepatch Рік тому +649

    This is the biggest reason I keep going back to the Titanfall 2 campaign. It's about 7 hours of masterpiece content that you can finish in a day

    • @OliverCaldwell
      @OliverCaldwell Рік тому +27

      I played it while really sick years ago and it blew my feverish mind.

    • @hectorcumba5703
      @hectorcumba5703 Рік тому

      And that you prob suck online

    • @SubSonicDubs
      @SubSonicDubs Рік тому +11

      I WAS WAITING FOR SOMEONE TO SAY THIS SPECIFICALLY

    • @EingefrorenesEisen
      @EingefrorenesEisen Рік тому +12

      Funny enough, titanfall 2 is the game I've probably sunk the most time into, but just because of the multiplayer. But that one's on me lol.

    • @doomguybutnowhessamuelhayd8163
      @doomguybutnowhessamuelhayd8163 Рік тому +1

      @@EingefrorenesEisen isint that broken?

  • @JBob08
    @JBob08 8 місяців тому +55

    I recently played through the most recent Ratchet and Clank. It was probably 15 or so hours and I enjoyed every minute. When it was over, I felt very satisfied abs thankful to actually FINISH a game without having to commit a month to it.

    • @ethandowler4669
      @ethandowler4669 5 місяців тому +1

      I second this. Was very happy I could finish it (two years ago at this point?) and get the nostalgia I was looking for with updated and polished graphics and gameplay

    • @ethandowler4669
      @ethandowler4669 5 місяців тому +1

      I always felt like R&C did the New Game+ concept really well

    • @G4M3R-4-LIFE
      @G4M3R-4-LIFE 4 місяці тому

      Having a 15 hour experience is all fine and good, if it only cost $30. Asking $60+ for a game with 0 replayability and less than 40 hours of content or an infinite multiplayer mode is ludicrous IMO.

    • @ethandowler4669
      @ethandowler4669 4 місяці тому

      @@G4M3R-4-LIFE I agree $60 is too much for that. I def paid less than $30. It does have replayability through the New Game+ mode, but obviously it's the same story, just with bigger guns, enemies, etc.I enjoyed the R&C NG+ modes back on the PS2 games

    • @G4M3R-4-LIFE
      @G4M3R-4-LIFE 4 місяці тому +1

      @@ethandowler4669 I haven't played that game specifically. It may have replayability, my point was more general. Short experiences are good if they come with an appropriate price tag. A 6 hour game that is truly great with no filler is worth maybe $20. I personally like the longer format games, but like you, I wish they would pull the filler. Axe the crafting, resource gathering, escort quests and back tracking. We are already going to be replaying the end game content to receive the best rewards, why not gut the filler?

  • @theageofbacon9386
    @theageofbacon9386 Місяць тому +6

    One of my favorite quotes goes: "Your words mean the most, when they're spoken the least."
    If a game only has 3 hours of playtime, then the devs can focus on making those 3 hrs more memorable and fun instead of trying to stretch it out. That's why older games and indie games have much more memorable moments and create better connections with their player base.

    • @x0gucx
      @x0gucx 17 днів тому

      Recently completing the Masseffect trilogy then attempting to play starfield. you notice a real difference in quality. No matter what flaws they had, I fell in love with everyone who ever worked on the Normandy with an ending that actually made me feel sad yet completed and accomplished then smash cut to starfield and i hate every single bit because of bad writing, tedious af missions EVEN SIDE MISSIONS HAVE YOU TRAVEL BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN SOLAR SYSTEMS AND LOADING SCREENS.
      GOD BURN IT WITH FIRE. I can 't stand people who defend it with the actual devs telling people to go f##k themselves and it's our fault that their game isn't a huge success.

  • @mattieice4785
    @mattieice4785 Рік тому +365

    This is why Hi Fi Rush is one of my favorite games. It’s somewhat short, insanely polished, and you can tell the dev team had a BLAST making it.

    • @captainonomatopoeia
      @captainonomatopoeia Рік тому +11

      Too bad the profits weren’t that much. Microsoft was apparently expecting more copies to be sold… so in the eyes of publishers and investors… this isn’t gonna be a new trend Hi-Fi Rush set… 😢

    • @sup3rhyp3r56
      @sup3rhyp3r56 Рік тому +18

      @@captainonomatopoeia where in the world did you read that? It was confirmed by Xbox that it did well

    • @TheNoxmage
      @TheNoxmage Рік тому +2

      Try FAR long sails. Short and sweet

    • @quaglegagle674
      @quaglegagle674 Рік тому +10

      Didn't Hi Fi Rush make headlines for how well it was selling...especially beating Forspoken?

    • @Ark_Strike
      @Ark_Strike Рік тому +18

      @@captainonomatopoeia That was an alarmist newspiece with no sources to back up their claims, Microsoft itself confirmed it sold beyond expectations and its also confirmed it beat Forspoken in both reviews and sales.

  • @megancress1384
    @megancress1384 Рік тому +426

    This feels like if you took the past 10 extra punctuation episodes of Yahtzee calmly taking about the failures of live services and condensed it into the pure rage underlying everything

  • @timothysmith8341
    @timothysmith8341 8 місяців тому +18

    I completely agree! While open world games like Zelda Tears of the Kindgom are great, they take up SO much time! And like yeah, I love that I have so much to do, but part of me misses the smaller linear versions like Twilight Princess. Also, if I'm honest, I feel like I had more fun in a smaller game like Kirby and the Forgotten Land and It Takes Two.

    • @PikaLink91
      @PikaLink91 4 місяці тому +2

      You call Twilight Princess a "smaller version", and while I know what you mean... my original save file in that game was 80 hours. Sure that ain't as much as the 130 I put into BotW... but it didn't need to be. 130 is TOO big in my opinion. Twilight took me 80 hours to beat, and during that time I felt I had been on a huge epic grand adventure of epic proportions. That game was everything I wanted a Zelda experience to be like, and after I beat the final boss... I was more than satisfied.

    • @timothysmith8341
      @timothysmith8341 4 місяці тому +3

      @@PikaLink91 there is a lot to do in twilight princess, but it was more story and dungeon driven, so it didn't seem as long. While, botw and totk have so much to do because it's a sand box type.

    • @PikaLink91
      @PikaLink91 4 місяці тому +1

      @@timothysmith8341 But in return, as you tread on, the new games have sacrificed intricate dungeons and narrative in favor of a more open world, and that’s where I have a problem. To me it seems like it’s alpha and omega that a game is an open world that gives you ultimate freedom. It’s as if as long as we have this ultimate freedom and a million things to do, nothing else matters. But to me this freedom is overrated if it comes at the cost what I loved about the series in the first place. That being said, I’m not saying that open world and great dungeons and narrative can’t coexist… but Nintendo seems to think that.

  • @pineapplequeen13
    @pineapplequeen13 8 місяців тому +20

    You just explained exactly why I've stuck to short-form indie games for years now. I miss being able to sit down and within a few afternoons be able to beat a game from a triple A studio and feel GOOD about it.

  • @Brisingr_Phoenix
    @Brisingr_Phoenix Рік тому +291

    The first time I played Halo 3 I finished the campaign in one sitting and it’s still one of the most memorable experiences I’ve had in gaming.

    • @einsteinyh
      @einsteinyh Рік тому +1

      Yeah, that and titanfall 2 were the good ones for me

    • @halb23
      @halb23 Рік тому +4

      I played halo 2 and 3 for the first time just this week and I did the same with 3, and beat 2 in 2-3 sessions. Both great games, espeically 3, I've been missing out!
      But Halo 2 had moments of pretty blatant content padding, with the same rooms copy and pasted just a few too many times or a section going slower than it need to be - but that only added up to ~2 additional hours of gameplay, compared to most modern games having around 10x as much in just the mandatory campaign content alone. And fighting off another room full of flood was still much more engaging than walking in a straight line to the next map-revealing tower
      I'd much rather have more of that than the current trend talked about in this vid

    • @olakpasa6486
      @olakpasa6486 Рік тому

      @@einsteinyh a fellow pilot, good to see you

    • @nooooooooope3809
      @nooooooooope3809 Рік тому

      @@einsteinyh goddamn, Titanfall 2 campaign was such an incredibly delightful surprise.

  • @rowansaro2458
    @rowansaro2458 11 місяців тому +468

    Totally resonate with this. I’ve put down well-regarded games just because the thought of sinking 100+ hours into something when I already feel like I don’t spend enough time being productive was just overwhelming.
    Meanwhile, I can knock out more than a few short games without feeling like a failure.

    • @GiordanDiodato
      @GiordanDiodato 10 місяців тому +20

      it's all those gamers who complain about games being "too short"
      Gone Home is a really good example of people shitting on it for being a 2 hour adventure game for $30, even though a similar game back in 1990 would cost $50.

    • @davetom8517
      @davetom8517 10 місяців тому +10

      Same here. I want to pick a game to play; not a lifestyle to live.
      There are some games that take a lot of time and are worth every minute of it. Witcher 3 comes to mind. But I love Limbo just as much, and that can be played through in a couple of hours.

    • @Walamonga1313
      @Walamonga1313 10 місяців тому +19

      Gaming is productive. For your mental health. That said, there's a difference between games that are still fun/engaging even hundreds of hours in... and games that just feel like they drag and the tedium just makes them feel like a waste of time/make you want to rush it and get it over with

    • @polkunus
      @polkunus 10 місяців тому +1

      Why do you need entertainment, self-fulfillment, to be "productive". You dont need to clock in to play a video game.

    • @davetom8517
      @davetom8517 10 місяців тому

      @@polkunus Watch the rest of the video, he explains it perfectly.

  • @Mamuta8307
    @Mamuta8307 7 місяців тому +20

    Deep rock galactic is a game you guys should really play, and it makes me happy to see circletoons acknowledge it in his long list of good games :)

  • @mythdominus
    @mythdominus 8 місяців тому +9

    I think it’s important as a gamer to realise that you don’t have to play every game that comes out, and you certainly don’t have to do everything you possibly can do in each game

  • @SimeVidas
    @SimeVidas 9 місяців тому +794

    I’m playing the new Zelda right now, and the “2 hours and almost nothing done” part is so true. I’m not complaining, but the amount of content in this game is absolutely overwhelming. I feel the only way to play this game properly is to go on vacation.

    • @MatthewBanes
      @MatthewBanes 8 місяців тому +113

      Tbh totk is one of the only games which perfects massive content dumps for me.
      NONE of the side content matters, or is particularly important.
      There's rarely quest markers, they don't give you important upgrades, just the same level scaled random materials you always get.
      It's a different frame of thinking, but it seems to be "if you're interested in talking to people they'll tell you about stuff. If the stuff sounds interesting go do the stuff, and we'll replace some of what you used doing the stuff as a reward. If the stuff doesn't sound interesting, go somewhere else"
      There's no pressure or checklists, just places to see and things to do if I feel like it.
      It's immense amounts of content but it feels like it respects my time, compared to Horizon which felt like it was wasting my time with checklists

    • @1stCallipostle
      @1stCallipostle 8 місяців тому +62

      ​@@MatthewBanesExactly.
      It's being rewarded for dicking around instead of being forced to.
      It's much cleaner because you can just... Not do shit you don't want to.

    • @AceFace350
      @AceFace350 8 місяців тому +7

      Hey, technically BOTW only has 49 hours of gameplay, and TOTK has 139 hours of gameplay (so far, that is)

    • @vinogradka_kletnaya
      @vinogradka_kletnaya 7 місяців тому +8

      I heard that in japan some people literally took a vacation for totk, soooo you may be right

    • @SimeVidas
      @SimeVidas 7 місяців тому +2

      @@vinogradka_kletnaya It took me over 3 months to reach the ending while playing for 2 hours per day (about 200 hours in total). That would be a very long vacation.

  • @lasercraft32
    @lasercraft32 11 місяців тому +606

    I remember the days when they made games like Luigi's Mansion... which has an incredibly short overall runtime, but is renowned for all of its great aspects and charming details. And its length and high score system encourages replayability without taking away or attempting to force a fun gameplay experience.

    • @laurenz_brand
      @laurenz_brand 11 місяців тому +11

      ... and critics all around the world were mad at it.

    • @douglasbaker9663
      @douglasbaker9663 11 місяців тому +5

      And then compare it with the Luigi's Mansion sequel, which is full of filler and backtracking. The first is great, the second terrible.

    • @SERMareep2007
      @SERMareep2007 11 місяців тому +6

      ​@@douglasbaker9663 Dark moon is great its just different.

    • @dontmisunderstand6041
      @dontmisunderstand6041 11 місяців тому +2

      I never finished Luigi's Mansion because the game was so long, and I spent too much time playing it, so gave up. It wasn't engaging enough to complete because it was too long and too samey. And this is from someone who 100% completed Sonic Adventure.

    • @lasercraft32
      @lasercraft32 11 місяців тому +1

      @@dontmisunderstand6041 People have different opinions on what games are fun and what games are boring... you may find it boring and not-engaging, but other people can enjoy it a lot. :)
      Sonic, for example, is a much more action oriented game in comparison to Luigi's Mansion, so its a very different genre of game that you may have more of a preference for.
      I myself have played Luigi's Mansion games AND Sonic games, and I've enjoyed both.

  • @stonythechimist4250
    @stonythechimist4250 7 місяців тому +3

    I’d love to see an update to this specific argument, but focused on replayability. I feel like that’s something that brings a lot of nuance to everything in this video and I’d be keen to hear Circle’s opinions on it!

  • @thecosmictatertot7149
    @thecosmictatertot7149 3 місяці тому +2

    I love games that have tons of fast travels that you can go to just by making it there and especially when an npc follow quest allows you to fast travel and they'll just be there, beautiful.

  • @ROCKCHOMP380
    @ROCKCHOMP380 Рік тому +257

    This is precisely why Hi-Fi Rush has been such a refreshing game to play. I can't remember a new game I played in the last 2 years that felt this complete when playing it.

    • @dragonicrage3618
      @dragonicrage3618 Рік тому +14

      the fact that game shadow dropped too, god it was such a masterpiece

    • @jamesbullo
      @jamesbullo Рік тому +1

      Hi-Fi Rush, so good! Have you tried the Guardians of the Galaxy game?

    • @SirEggNog
      @SirEggNog Рік тому +2

      do you play any indie games? There were some great ones the past year or two

    • @a_smile55
      @a_smile55 Рік тому +1

      @@SirEggNog yeah Stray was another game that was short and so flipped great

    • @maxanderson3733
      @maxanderson3733 Рік тому +6

      @@dragonicrage3618 that honestly makes it even more impressive. They didn’t need ridiculous amounts of advertisement. They just had to make an awesome game and people played it because it’s awesome

  • @daisychainable
    @daisychainable 10 місяців тому +327

    As I get older I know I need more "pick up and go" games with very simple mechanics. I will drop a game, forget the mechanics, and then restart the game over and never get it done. Night In The Woods is so simple to me that I could never forget it, and I always finish it within a week. One of my top 10 games, always

    • @GiordanDiodato
      @GiordanDiodato 9 місяців тому +2

      it's because people want, and I quote, "Their money's worth"

    • @Clara_Page
      @Clara_Page 7 місяців тому +2

      I feel the same, most of my gaming friends are younger than me and fail to understand why I struggle to learn the mechanics of whatever the new multiplayer game of choice is

  • @HollowSoulss
    @HollowSoulss 4 місяці тому +2

    True, I have put off loads of games playing multiplayer stuff. I have started playing dragon's dogma and it honestly feels like I can relax and enjoy the game for once, instead of being restricted to waiting on a timer to get a task to do something for better stuff.

  • @coriandoli
    @coriandoli 7 місяців тому +2

    Yeah, so..guys
    PLAY OUTHER WILDS

  • @WorldHeroKoji
    @WorldHeroKoji Рік тому +140

    I really think that a reason Hi-Fi Rush is so good is that it is varied, fun, a little challenging, completely unique with its style of gameplay, but its not long. You can pretty easily beat it in a few play sessions, having a fun time and being bogged down by anything to grindy. And the post game stuff is pretty fun too, though you dont have to do it to enjoy the base game and what it was trying to do.

    • @Terrabyte13
      @Terrabyte13 Рік тому +1

      I second this

    • @samcarroll6210
      @samcarroll6210 Рік тому +1

      What's funny is that Hi-Fi Rush is one of the games I haven't finished

  • @games4kids852
    @games4kids852 Рік тому +165

    I used to this guy making one minute shorts seeing this really makes me see how much he cares about this topic

  • @dudewithbasicpfp2439
    @dudewithbasicpfp2439 4 місяці тому +4

    When he was talking about how short, action packed games are great, i was thinking "yeah, Deathloop was so fun to play for the (relatively) little time i played it"
    and boom, at that exact moment he started talking about it.

    • @SaltyChickenDip
      @SaltyChickenDip Місяць тому

      The DLC to Prey is pretty much the prototype for death loop

  • @TheMarrioto
    @TheMarrioto 7 місяців тому +1

    Totally agree, hope companies hear you out.

  • @fredcheaib8511
    @fredcheaib8511 Рік тому +202

    the reason i love your videos is cause they start nice calm and simple but they slowly descend into a rage fueled tirade of emotions

    • @caseyhall2320
      @caseyhall2320 Рік тому +4

      A relatable tirade too, lol. (At least for me)

  • @Lui2D2
    @Lui2D2 Рік тому +183

    I also want to add It Takes Two to the list. I adore couch co-op and I've been seriously upset that games have moved away from that. I grew up on Split Screen and having friends over to play and that was the best fun. Now it's neverending loading screens to queue and finding time to play together when we've all got adult responsibilities. It Takes Two was such a breath of fresh air for me and my partner, so much so that it's one of our favorites

    • @Dragoderian
      @Dragoderian Рік тому +2

      I like the game (fuck the book), but it's really weird that it enforces split-screen even when you're doing online co-op.

    • @phoebejl
      @phoebejl Рік тому +1

      Ehhh nah It Takes Two was a slog and still quite buggy and very cheesy. I tried playing it with a friend but we gave up after 8 hours of monotony. There were good moments and interesting mechanics but you had to sort through the boring stuff and extremely cheesy story. We stopped during the toy section after brutally destroying the queen.

    • @ariannasv22
      @ariannasv22 Рік тому

      I thought it was charming and a simple but cute casual game to play with ur partner after a long day. Not overly complex, just simple fun gameplay. But yes, screw the book.

    • @FICUSULXD189
      @FICUSULXD189 Рік тому

      Yeah, I don't have any friends, but I can understand how fun can be to play on a splitscreen lol.
      But I think games have moved on from that because loneliness is at it's verge nowadays. Sad

    • @durttheelder4035
      @durttheelder4035 Рік тому +2

      I personally find splitscreen very annoying
      I always lose where I am

  • @acorns9162
    @acorns9162 8 місяців тому

    i like how EVERY SINGLE GAME on that game list at the end
    i love more than any over game i feel that just proves his point tenfold

  • @stoi5946
    @stoi5946 7 місяців тому

    Very important analysis, people need to talk more about this

  • @quixotix9540
    @quixotix9540 Рік тому +899

    The Stanley Parable is an unforgettable experience that has about two hours of playtime. Ultra Deluxe adds about another two. That's all it needs to be immortalized.

    • @sparchamp2
      @sparchamp2 Рік тому +28

      Though there are a lot of endings

    • @Cinnaschticks
      @Cinnaschticks 11 місяців тому +10

      That game was a really great few hours.

    • @kensonplays
      @kensonplays 11 місяців тому +27

      Then there's that 5/10 year not playing achievement. :P

    • @thepronoob2816
      @thepronoob2816 11 місяців тому +1

      agreed

    • @Cinnaschticks
      @Cinnaschticks 11 місяців тому +8

      @@kensonplays I mean technically that's not playtime ¯\_( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡ )_/¯

  • @allegedwriter
    @allegedwriter Рік тому +223

    I was going to make some big comment about Disco Elysium being on that list with its long runtime, then went to my Steam library and realized I beat it in 20 hours.
    Wild how massive the world feels and how immersed you are in it without 100 hours of filler content.

    • @majorgnu
      @majorgnu Рік тому +12

      The only real qualms I have with Disco Elysium in this regard is the time spent navigating and exploring open areas.
      Give me faster movement speed, make points of interest easier to find and I couldn't really complaint.
      At least it had *some* fast travel.
      It's also supposed to be replayable, but knowing the answers to the big mysteries and without a way to deal with repeated content, I can't stomach the notion of a replay.

    • @MessyGamer616
      @MessyGamer616 Рік тому +6

      The problem is most of that time is wasted because its all spent trying to figure out WHAT you're even meant to be doing. It's not provoking or challenging in any way besides trial and error or guesswork.

    • @scatala4229
      @scatala4229 Рік тому +1

      The game isn’t for everyone. The only instance of exhaustion I experienced was having to go up and down stairs to repeatedly grill the prime suspect

    • @barelyontime
      @barelyontime Рік тому +6

      @@MessyGamer616 it’s an rpg and your character doesn’t know what the fuck is going on so why would the player

    • @cookies23z
      @cookies23z Рік тому +1

      Its also hella replayable so you can do what I did and replay the first 2 days woth 7 different characters before freezing on the decision of which one to finish the game with, then come back a year later and finish it in one go and have nearly a hundred hours thatway

  • @Gmanunit13vers2
    @Gmanunit13vers2 8 місяців тому +3

    I recently got back into Nier Automata and I usually only play 2 hours before going to bed, and I feel this sometimes.
    Like it's an amazing game, I can stop and listen to just the soundtrack while looking at the scenery but it took me so long to finish 2b's story. Luckily most of the side quests you already did in 2b story you don't have to redo as 9s so it makes it more enjoyable on the replays.

  • @flowerlilly938
    @flowerlilly938 4 місяці тому

    I really loved this video. As someone who is trying to play more games and experience more this rings really true for me.
    The only thing Id want to add is that I think a lot of the publisher pushing for crunch, forever games and unrealistic deadlines is a big contributor to todays landscape, much more than upset gamers

  • @spenceduggs8449
    @spenceduggs8449 9 місяців тому +868

    As a busy parent, having an experience I can finish in 1-3 play sessions is a genuine treasure.
    Shorter, more condensed experiences, please

    • @GiordanDiodato
      @GiordanDiodato 9 місяців тому +8

      have you tried Gone Home? it's only around 2 hours long, though it is also $30 USD

    • @Ventorath
      @Ventorath 8 місяців тому +8

      @@GiordanDiodato If a game costs more than $5 and it doesn't last at least 5 Hours, I'm refunding that shit.

    • @danielplayzyt4759
      @danielplayzyt4759 8 місяців тому +20

      @@Ventorathhave you played terraria an hollow knight before terraria is $10 and hollow knight is 15 they have 50 hours of content but make you feel accomplished every step of the way because the bosses are actually hard and sometimes not as fun if you rage easy dont get them

    • @anuncreativeusername2231
      @anuncreativeusername2231 8 місяців тому

      @@danielplayzyt4759it’s not only 50, if you want to finish every single challenge, it’s hundreds

    • @GiordanDiodato
      @GiordanDiodato 8 місяців тому +17

      @@Ventorath and this is what's wrong with video games.

  • @odinson5911
    @odinson5911 Рік тому +138

    This is why I loved playing MGR: Revengeance recently. It's only like 6 hours long but every single moment in that game is simply fantastic.

    • @jimmycombs8159
      @jimmycombs8159 Рік тому

      Nah bro that elevator sequence was absolute ass cheeks

    • @Ark_Strike
      @Ark_Strike Рік тому +2

      I still can't believe people can complete it in 6 hours, I'm at 10 hours and just halfway, maybe I should finish it and complete all the side content afterwards

    • @guywithrevolver
      @guywithrevolver Рік тому +2

      A lot of platinum games titles are pretty short, but extremely fun

    • @ASMRDoodlez
      @ASMRDoodlez Рік тому +3

      @@guywithrevolver Yeah, Transformers Devastation is one like that that comes to mind. Less than 10 hours and tons of fun with an amazing soundtrack.

    • @guywithrevolver
      @guywithrevolver Рік тому +1

      @@ASMRDoodlez I'm so glad devastation was what came to mind for you. I'm so glad people know and love about that game

  • @shy_8427
    @shy_8427 Місяць тому

    Fr I been having this problem for the longest time but never really figured out what it was that was putting me off the game. Now I know and its all thanks to you! Thank you Circletoons! :D I'll make sure the next game will be worth my time!

  • @johnny-Number-One
    @johnny-Number-One 2 місяці тому

    This video really resonated with me. Because the games I keep on coming back to and have sunk plenty of hours into. Are games that have about 10 hours of play time but are so well made and mechanically deep that I can keep on having fun. No matter what the game is or how long it takes to complete it. I will keep on coming back for more if it’s good.

  • @thatonegirl3391
    @thatonegirl3391 Рік тому +158

    The Stanley Parable and Inscryption are two of my absolute favourite games and I almost feel honoured they made it to your ‘List of Good Games That Respect Your Time’

    • @ARCHIVED9610
      @ARCHIVED9610 Рік тому +4

      yessssssss stanley parable

    • @Gaze73
      @Gaze73 11 місяців тому

      Inscryption is overrated, and I say that as the target demographic. Couldn't wait to finish the 3rd act.

    • @dontmisunderstand6041
      @dontmisunderstand6041 11 місяців тому +1

      Pretty sure the entire point of The Stanley Parable is that it DOESNT respect your time.

    • @ARCHIVED9610
      @ARCHIVED9610 11 місяців тому

      @@dontmisunderstand6041 baby game ending true

  • @brockmckelvey7327
    @brockmckelvey7327 Рік тому +251

    I remember when Captain Toad, Treasure Tracker came out (for the WiiU). I was in College, so I didn't have much free time inbetween studying, but Captain Toad was the PERFECT length for me to play after homework and before bed. I was able to 100% it within like a week, but I loved every minute of playing it.
    Then I saw online some dude was complaining that the game was a waste since it only took him less than 30 hours to beat.
    I think about that comment alot. I especially think about it now that I have a full-time job and an hour commute each way. It just makes me angry because I DEFINITELY don't have time for any games longer than 15 hours MAX.

    • @LuprinaWolf
      @LuprinaWolf Рік тому +21

      Ooh, I loved that game! It was a short game that was charming, and just overall a great time. Honestly, it's length and simple premise was what got me to finish the game to see the credits. It's a shame someone knocked it down because it was too short.
      Which, honestly, I rarely get to see the credits for a game. If I do reach the credits, it probably means I really enjoyed the game.

    • @cadenpifer2830
      @cadenpifer2830 Рік тому +2

      Same here I also loved the survival room with the mummys chasing you but never finished it got so close once and then never again got as close as I had and the levels with the extra toads were pretty cool too

    • @thesnatcher3616
      @thesnatcher3616 Рік тому +4

      Don't all Mario games in general tend to reach the length of 15-20 hours on a normal playthrough? And it was a spinoff game anyway. What was the dude expecting?

  • @Burning_Soup
    @Burning_Soup 8 місяців тому

    i love that insryption made it onto your list of games to play cause its one of my favourite games

  • @lancenocturna2743
    @lancenocturna2743 2 місяці тому

    Another short yet concise game I like is Crypt of the Necrodancer, it's only about 5 floors long with four sub-floors each (including DLC), but the customization of the routes and the slow but steady mastery of both strategizing your path and keeping up to the beat of the songs always has me coming back.

  • @CuriousJet
    @CuriousJet 10 місяців тому +146

    As a 40 year old gamer with a company to run and a family to feed, I thank you for you putting your critical thoughts into this video. You said exactly what I want to express about gaming nowadays.

    • @GiordanDiodato
      @GiordanDiodato 9 місяців тому +6

      one thing I'm sure you noticed was the shift from arcade-style short games to bigger adventures and current gamers complaining about game length being "too short."

  • @jt_myth
    @jt_myth Рік тому +139

    This is why I loved Hi-Fi Rush. Start to finish and it had an END and I felt GREAT after finishing it. Didn't feel like it needed to be lengthened or more content. It was just nice to go through the story start to finish.

    • @hobojoey3195
      @hobojoey3195 Рік тому +5

      YES

    • @llamarama6976
      @llamarama6976 Рік тому +4

      Even the extra stuff it had like the wall and the after secret levels and tower are just fun extras that are entirely up to you if you want to do them or not

  • @holynder3181
    @holynder3181 8 місяців тому

    Games with infinite replayability definitely have a place. Particularly the type of game that can be played in a short session, that being 30-60 minutes, but the overall playtime is nearly infinite.
    Most roguelikes fit into this category where you can come home from work, and play for a bit, but you don’t need to make a massive commitment.
    There are games in other genres that can fit here, too. Two of my favorite examples are Helldivers and DRG.

  • @corvidcookie322
    @corvidcookie322 Місяць тому +1

    Baldurs gate 3 is a weird paradox for me. It's beautiful and complex and challenging, it's also ENORMOUS, And a single casual playthrough can EASILY last over 300 hours and oh my god why does traveling take so long.
    It's everything I love forged together with fragments of tedium wrapped in a complete package that's too big for me to consume.

  • @kingsleycy3450
    @kingsleycy3450 Рік тому +610

    These days, nothing loses my interest faster than an open world game with crafting mechanics

    • @slydoorkeeper4783
      @slydoorkeeper4783 Рік тому +58

      Same, and it sucks too because I like the idea. Its just that WAY too many games fail to do such that it taints the idea.

    • @mallk238
      @mallk238 Рік тому +65

      too many of them hit the exact same gameplay loop. If your game has base building, all I'm gonna do is build a house and never touch it again. Even if the game HAS an ending, I would simply never do it bc game ends = my base disappears.

    • @Sage009
      @Sage009 Рік тому +7

      ANY game with crafting mechanics is auto-ignore.

    • @hjanuel13
      @hjanuel13 Рік тому +8

      I agree with this, however, I made an exception with Minecraft Legends 😅

    • @yo75z33
      @yo75z33 Рік тому +20

      sir i think you just insulted minecraft players worldwide

  • @davidflores909
    @davidflores909 11 місяців тому +310

    I recently played Portal 1 for the first time and this exact topic resonated in my mind so hard. It's a freaking masterpiece of game play and snarky storytelling. It's short and sweet. I liked it so much I pushed Portal 2 to the top of my yet-to-play backlog and finished it as well. I'm now putting HL 1 and 2 in the queue for next to play even though I'm not much of an FPS guy.

    • @DeadStawker
      @DeadStawker 11 місяців тому +14

      If you do end up enjoying HL, you should try the first Halo Trilogy. It's a masterpiece

    • @kgaumont
      @kgaumont 11 місяців тому +14

      I've said this forever but Portal 1 is the perfect game

    • @Tera_GX
      @Tera_GX 11 місяців тому +4

      I get so excited every time I learn someone is going to experience Half Life 2 for the first time! Such a masterpiece showcase of how to have a fluid blend of story and gameplay. It was also a big technology showcase in its time, like well designed physics and making brilliant use of them, and I remember staring at walls so much because "normal maps" were new making flat geometry have depth.

    • @kgaumont
      @kgaumont 11 місяців тому +5

      @@Tera_GX i never got into Half-Life...
      I tried starting from the original game and just found that it was poorly aged, I spent more time watching walkthroughs than playing.
      Is it worth just playing 2 on its own?

    • @Tera_GX
      @Tera_GX 11 місяців тому +4

      ​@@kgaumont Yes. I do in fact often recommend skipping HL1 since we can't all play every game. It's definitely a product of its time and is aged in appearance and experience. The new "Black Mesa" is a proper substitute for HL1, but in limited choices HL2 is still the more valuable experience.
      I'll note HL2: Episode 1 kinda happened motivated out of some technology showcases Valve was working on, not as a full game. The same motivation is why Episode 2 happened, but they raised the bar so high and it ended up a pretty complete game with big story points. That high bar is why we've had a 15 year cliffhanger. You'll probably want more after playing HL2.

  • @Niklas-bf7jn
    @Niklas-bf7jn 8 місяців тому

    2:17 i love that change of ton in his voice were you can hear that he is actually pissed off about CRAFTING

  • @reallybasic9231
    @reallybasic9231 Місяць тому

    I appreciate this video. I'm in the process of creating a game, but was worried about the content being too short. It was nice to hear that it didn't need to be a hundred hours of gameplay, and could just be how ever long it takes for the content to run out. I would like to add to your video, however, in that crafting is only bad when you make it bad. My game will have a crafting mechanic, but with quick craft times, uses relatively easy-to-scavenge items, and must be defended non-stop during the entire crafting process, which I believe would make it a significantly more bearable wait during the crafting time.
    As a side note, I found Metro Exodus to be fun through the end. It ran smooth, there was a variety of maps, new features here and there, and some surprising mechanics that were really fun to play with, and would recommend to anyone else looking for something that could actually be finished. It is still a rather long game (around 40 hours) but everything stayed interesting enough that it was easy to be excited to play.
    Again, thanks for the video!

  • @i_like_cheez816
    @i_like_cheez816 Рік тому +177

    Thank you, circle for not only being able to make short little goofy animations but also being able to keep me entertained with long form content, which are well animated and well thought out.

  • @Shavaaa
    @Shavaaa Рік тому +447

    This is why i love outer wilds. A complete package. An unforgettable experience

    • @RB-83
      @RB-83 Рік тому +16

      One of the best games that I've ever played

    • @MisSpace
      @MisSpace Рік тому +16

      You could say, The experience was... WILD!

    • @devindykstra
      @devindykstra Рік тому +5

      I'd recommend trying the VR mod if you have a headset! It's seriously amazing and gives you a new perspective on everything in the game!

    • @Shavaaa
      @Shavaaa Рік тому +8

      @@devindykstra im currently playing through the dlc and i woulf propably not take a single step in a vr headset xD No mans sky in vr ia already pushing it

    • @devindykstra
      @devindykstra Рік тому +2

      @@Shavaaa the DLC is absolutely amazing and totally worth it! I hope you enjoy it!

  • @invaderyellow1906
    @invaderyellow1906 8 місяців тому

    Dude you have no idea how excited I was to see that list at the end only to see that I've played all those games, amazing video but man I gotta do some digging

  • @rinkothelad
    @rinkothelad 8 місяців тому +3

    Looking at this now after the release of Bomb rush Cyberfunk, I can say that the game doesn’t overstay its welcome. It gives a great game with a good story then leaves you with the game and plenty of collectibles to get.

  • @troncat4604
    @troncat4604 Рік тому +119

    Stray is definitely a great example. I did every side mission and the game was like 6 hours. Beautiful art, great story, various endings and I walked away feeling good about it, check it out

    • @seansmodernlife9823
      @seansmodernlife9823 Рік тому +2

      Is that playable? I thought looked cool, but figured it'd be a huge open world game with no plot (and thus waste my time).

    • @Xoulrath_
      @Xoulrath_ Рік тому +7

      ​@@seansmodernlife9823 depends on your definition of playable. It isn't open world, and it is short, so if that's of interest to you, then you might like it. It looks pretty good and the cat definitely looks like a cat.
      The problem that I had with it is that you are playing as a cat, and yet there's no actual platforming, which I expected there to be, because, well, you're a cat. It's all basically done for you, which saps a lot of what could have been cool gameplay from the player. So there's a lot of walking, with some easy puzzles. There may be more after that, but I stopped after an hour in. It just got too damn boring.

    • @KlutzyNinjaKitty
      @KlutzyNinjaKitty Рік тому +1

      It also has a meow button :D

  • @fomod_
    @fomod_ Рік тому +104

    aaaaaa
    Reggie saying "If it's not fun, why bother." is firmly ingrained into my mind and words I live by, even outside of gaming which may be a bad thing

    • @Kaiser25
      @Kaiser25 Рік тому +11

      Same here, tho I don't think it's a bad thing, it means we are constantly try to find joy in what we do

    • @Broockle
      @Broockle Рік тому

      IRL grind is rewarding in different ways.

    • @cattysplat
      @cattysplat Рік тому +1

      Nintendo games are almost universally fun.

  • @Lahatyn
    @Lahatyn 2 місяці тому

    As a solo indie dev, this is awesome. Good insight, funny, well put together. Nice channel!

  • @charlesastewart1
    @charlesastewart1 8 місяців тому +2

    I simultaneously agree with everything in this video and also really enjoyed farming likes with shelters and ziplines in Death Stranding.

  • @Alzhaer
    @Alzhaer Рік тому +80

    Not a defense for Death Stranding but the walking around was so zen and relaxing for me, I just pop on to enjoy a nice calming walk in the safe-ish world I've made for myself. Low impact and stress free.

    • @jiado6893
      @jiado6893 Рік тому +21

      I can agree that it doesn’t seem to aim for the insulting dopamine drip like other grindy games.

    • @yarwe8567
      @yarwe8567 Рік тому +7

      yeah imo most of the time its supposed to be "relaxing" instead of "being fun"

    • @Madcat1331
      @Madcat1331 Рік тому +9

      I was just going to comment how it's funny that I enjoy DS's game loop to _death_
      There's so much depth to that game and all of that effort you put in is not only rewarded but also ties to its message.
      I've been diligently finishing off completion levels for each location by taking on as many tasks as possible in one run, looking out for opportunities to optimize the routes to make them safer and easier to traverse, which is the way DS is meant to be played IMHO.
      And the distances aren't as long and arduous as gamers are making it out to be. Just the right amount to feel like a long trek without dragging on for unbearably long
      As I completed deliveries I really grew to appreciate the characters. The story writers really nailed their interactions because the appreciation they express for your work feels very real.
      It's like you're making positive change in the world, "connecting people together."
      EDIT: Maybe I should have made a separate comment in the end, but whatever 😂

    • @targettman
      @targettman Рік тому +10

      Yeah I hate grindy games like modern assassins creed. I couldnt finish the newest Horizon because it was too grindy and needlessly complex. But Death Stranding just had something relaxing about it. Like it was aware you were backtracking. But the chilled hiking was the core experience. Maybe it resonated with me bexause I like multiday hikes.

    • @steelbear2063
      @steelbear2063 Рік тому

      @@targettman
      Horizon 2 grindy? Dude come on

  • @delpullen1982
    @delpullen1982 11 місяців тому +113

    SubNautica and its sequel are still two of my favorite games because if you choose, you can finish the game in hours to days. But if you want, you can stretch a game out for weeks, months, or even years without ever grinding or fulfilling side quests.

    • @OnlineSarcasmFails
      @OnlineSarcasmFails 10 місяців тому +8

      Its been years since a game gripped me like Subnautica did when I tried it earlier in 2023. Finished it an its sequel. Something about the way it was presented didnt make me feel pressured into doing anything, almost relaxing tbh. One of my top 10.

  • @Sercil00
    @Sercil00 4 місяці тому

    I noticed it when I replayed Psychonauts 1. As soon as I started and got reminded of the many different types of collectibles, I sighed and thought it would take me weeks to get any serious progress. But then it felt like I was maxing stuff out pretty damn fast. It felt refreshing.

  • @meapyboy12345
    @meapyboy12345 7 місяців тому +2

    10:14 oh my god he included Peglin. I did not expect that. That is one of my favorite games at the moment it is absolutely amazing. I am so surprised and happy that he included that.

  • @ultraabsrd
    @ultraabsrd Рік тому +278

    ULTRAKILL, Hades, and Risk of Rain 2 are also really great games I'd put on the list!

    • @CygnusTheSilly
      @CygnusTheSilly Рік тому +9

      And ULTRAKILL isn't even finished yet

    • @AirEater
      @AirEater Рік тому +15

      0/10 no robot saex

    • @manly.mcbeefington
      @manly.mcbeefington Рік тому +3

      @@AirEater there is though

    • @AirEater
      @AirEater Рік тому +5

      @@manly.mcbeefington WHERE. TELL ME NOW

    • @DoktorBeta
      @DoktorBeta Рік тому +8

      @@AirEater UKButt mod + official Ultrakill body pillows

  • @4Bakers
    @4Bakers Рік тому +38

    "I could read the whole dictionary! That's 100 hours of new content right there!" - Stanley Parable narrator, Stanley Parable Ultra Deluxe

  • @Scatterbrained_and_Lost
    @Scatterbrained_and_Lost 8 місяців тому +4

    Coming back to this after replaying Legends Arceus, I find that I agree with a lot of the points made. By the time I got to Volo in my first playthrough, I was like 70-80 hours into the game, but after my second playthrough and looking back at my first I see that in order to even get to him, it takes doing a lot of the same stuff and it was getting repetitive after a while to the point where I looked at a speedrun to get an idea of how I could speed things up. This time I got to hime after about 18 hours. Would have been a lot quicker but I have my eyes set on getting a second Enamorus for trading, so I spent more time than I would have liked so I could make sure I had Ultra balls and Gigaton balls. I still would have preferred if my run only took about 8 hours instead of 18.
    I also found that a lot of the side quests weren't super engaging, and Grinding wasn't super fun either. Thankfully there just happens to be two Blissey near each other and each one often respawned after I beat the other, speeding up the process by a lot.
    As of late I have been starting to lose some patience with games and am now starting to see the allure of speedrunning even if only using the tactics so that something that would take 20 fucking hours ends up taking only about 16 or even 10.

  • @ICDedPeplArisen
    @ICDedPeplArisen 3 місяці тому

    I like Dragon’s Dogma because you can blaze through the main story in an hour or two if you really wanted to, but there’s a few side quests hidden around the explotable world, with the most important ones encountered somewhere in the main story areas. It reward exploration to find any side quests especially when it’s for characters you want to romance. The only “grindey” thing is finding 100 medals around the world, but finding them is fairly simple and completely optional. And when you go to NG+ you still have all 100 medallions, meaning you can get a huge amount of gold and rift crystals(currency) as soon as you get to the main city again. There’s also the DLC where you get RNG equipment that comes in 3 tiers. But you can manipulate the equipment you get by specifically choosing your and your pawns vocations. If you and your pawn are both blue vocations you will only get mage and sorcerer equipment like staffs. Going fighter will yield swords shields and greatswords.

  • @maxmario1337
    @maxmario1337 Рік тому +95

    This is why i love Pizza Tower! Despite being 4 to 6 hours, the game has amazing levels with barely any dialogue and smooth controls! Even if the P ranks were a pain, they still felt amazing to do! Especially getting 101% and seeing 'WOW!' or even 'HOLY SHIT!'. The game doesn't add required extra padding, and just throws it's content for you to enjoy. It was worth my money and i have already done countless replays, none feeling boring.

  • @ob2kenobi388
    @ob2kenobi388 Рік тому +173

    I saw a meme once that went something like this-
    Gaming as a kid: "Only 5 hours!? What a ripoff!"
    Gaming as an adult: "Only 5 hours!? Maybe I can actually finish this one!"

    • @DeathnoteBB
      @DeathnoteBB Рік тому +7

      Nah see I was the kid who would get stuck 5 minutes in anyway and spend hours doing my own thing. Sometimes I wasn’t even actually stuck, like I knew what to do but the next part scared me so I stayed in tutorial land 😅
      Ah Wind Waker. I swear I played the tutorial more than the actual game

    • @ob2kenobi388
      @ob2kenobi388 Рік тому +11

      @@DeathnoteBB
      Yeah I definitely did that a few times lol. I still haven't 100% completed Super Mario Galaxy because when I was a kid I didn't like the Prankster Comets-they were hard and you lose a life if you fail, which made me scared-and by the time I grew out of that my Wii broke.

    • @mattc9598
      @mattc9598 Рік тому +4

      literally why I never played the Witcher
      "damn, i don't want to learn this whole fucking world over 100 hours of finding out how the fuck to learn this whole fucking world"

  • @pufferfishman4203
    @pufferfishman4203 8 місяців тому

    That’s why I love devil may cry 5; it’s actual story is 20 missions, and also takes a backseat, while the meat of the game is just how many attacks you can actually get, which most of them aren’t that expensive (in in game currency) it’s quite ridiculous

  • @ArcadeStriker
    @ArcadeStriker 4 місяці тому

    Arcade racers are definitely in my list of evergreen short but fun games as probably many other old arcade games are because of how their nature made them a blast to replay whenever you feel like it due to their short length but high challenge as you alluded to with old console games (I still remember playing NES Contra for several days until I got a Konami-code less run done)

  • @adamcatvtech1368
    @adamcatvtech1368 11 місяців тому +333

    Wow, this really came at the right time. I'm 37 years old, married, work full time, grinding out Forbidden West because I'm afraid of missing "good content" on the game only to end up disappointed each night when I only have an hour each time to play it. 3 weeks ago I actually took a day off work so I could grind out the game, hoping to finish it, only to find out that I wasn't even close. Spending an hour to find a fish bone so I can upgrade my bow in order to fight a machine to get a bear skin so I can upgrade my pouch in order to defeat another machine before moving onto the main story line has become a drag. Plus, at my age, this may sound strange to you kids... I don't have the mental capacity to bounce from one game to another... Once I learn the controls and develop certain skills and play 20+ hours of it I can't move onto something else... by the time I circle back to it I've forgotten the controls, or how the skills work, what the story's about, and where I am in the world... so I've got to restart it!? Funny cause I did that with Forbidden West just like I did with Zero Dawn 3 years ago. I'd say this is where Final Fantasy 7 Remake came in with a somewhat balanced package. Finding Materia and weapons and leveling up what you've got is great, but I don't remember "grinding" out multiple hours of content to build a vest or a hat. Their little side quests were by far the worst part of the game and I hope they get rid of them in the next and stick with the story. The game provided a solid 40 hours of game play and if you want more, here's a harder version without items, go through it again. It was a great approach. I think 40-50 of gameplay is great.

    • @DaCat1337
      @DaCat1337 11 місяців тому +9

      try nier:automata

    • @cna_eng5502
      @cna_eng5502 11 місяців тому +27

      As a fellow married gamer who works 2 shifts a day, I totally understand your frustration. And now, whenever I want to pick a title, the ones with less than 20 hours of gameplay are far more appealing than the +100 open world grinds like the new AC games

    • @James_Bee
      @James_Bee 11 місяців тому +15

      I can't play multiple titles, either.
      I'm 41, but I've always been this way. I play a game until I beat it(or 100% it) or decide it isn't even worth beating.
      At best I can do two, but the second game is usually some live service game that has daily quests that can be done fairly quickly and... ultimately... are pointless, unsatisfying and a complete waste of time. Fallout 76, you suck. You really, really suck.

    • @SeptemberMeadows
      @SeptemberMeadows 11 місяців тому +10

      I'm 57, retired, divorced, and the 3 kids are grown and gone. Friends are for... other people. Long games are perfect for me.

    • @CrizzyEyes
      @CrizzyEyes 11 місяців тому +9

      I'm not even married, I've played games since I was about 5, and I agree with you. The perfect RPG for me is one that is about 30 hours long, and all of the side content feels meaningful and well written. So far I've only played a few games that are like that. Mass Effect 2, Fallout 1 & 2, and Fallout New Vegas.

  • @rubadubmedia
    @rubadubmedia Рік тому +220

    Circle your animations have gotten so smooth and crisp. All the little details that stay on screen for a second or less are so satisfying

  • @zane0144
    @zane0144 8 місяців тому

    This speaks to me on so many levels

  • @matthewgomez9038
    @matthewgomez9038 8 місяців тому +1

    "if the game is not fun, why bother?" It's a beautiful line

  • @legend3454
    @legend3454 Рік тому +80

    You'd think with how often games nowadays give you the option to skip cutscenes that they'd suddenly feel a lot shorter. However, games seem to have compensated by forcing you to sit through unskippable "not-cutscenes" where characters stand in place and talk to each other. As someone who likes to sometimes watch speedrun videos, it becomes very apparent how often some games will do this.

    • @BBP-OMO
      @BBP-OMO Рік тому

      Half life did it better

  • @chuchu4559
    @chuchu4559 Рік тому +99

    That's why I love Stray!! It's only 5 hours, 6 if you wanna explore EVERYTHING, and it tells a really sweet cool story with cool world-building and cat gameplay.

    • @rzul
      @rzul 11 місяців тому +1

      Sweet story? Isn't it incredibly spooky/gritty/brutal/sad with a cliffhanger at the end?

    • @jamesfoster6506
      @jamesfoster6506 11 місяців тому +10

      Gameplay? That's a big hyperbole

    • @apkhbmbgamlkbh1531
      @apkhbmbgamlkbh1531 11 місяців тому +6

      @@jamesfoster6506 yeah it's just walking

    • @wb94737
      @wb94737 11 місяців тому

      In stray you run from little monster thingys, puzzles and parkour. It has a good story with a cliffhanger
      It is not walking

  • @Gelgoog
    @Gelgoog 3 місяці тому

    Its videos like these that make me appreicate the fact I look at pretty much most modern games with disgust and would rather fire up my Genesis

  • @mistseeker388
    @mistseeker388 8 місяців тому

    This man speaks pure, undiluted truth. Bless you.

  • @craftrabbit7306
    @craftrabbit7306 11 місяців тому +89

    To me, DOOM Eternal is the prime example for a game that has a laser focus on a single type of gameplay. In DOOM, you brutally murder demons with your 345 different weapons, with only the occasional cutscene reminding you of the awesome apeshit story which is keeping you going. And there are platforming sections for pacing but point stands, it's just fun shooting.

    • @BlazeHN
      @BlazeHN 11 місяців тому +6

      DOOM Eternal prioritizes fun gameplay over anything else, even over making sense sometimes, you can't kill a simple weak zombie demon with just your manly punches because they are meant to be moving ammo boxes and there is mechanics set to do it. Also you popcorn make armor pieces from ignited enemies because... why not? Is fun to mix all your powers and resources for it's delightful well balanced combat dance.

    • @kubaGR8
      @kubaGR8 10 місяців тому +1

      If you like that, you should 100% try Ultrakill. It's that but even more.

    • @TheRhalf
      @TheRhalf 10 місяців тому +3

      The story of doom eternal is really crappy tbh, the narrative is good tho

    • @jex-the-notebook-guy1002
      @jex-the-notebook-guy1002 10 місяців тому

      Cutscenes exist to feed us illuminati ideals (cause Bethesda is part of it)

    • @mallory-mae
      @mallory-mae 10 місяців тому +4

      @@TheRhalfwho cares? it’s doom

  • @TheHun73r_
    @TheHun73r_ Рік тому +182

    Ultrakill is phenomenal in this aspect, it currently has 2 acts and a prolouge, totaling 24 levels, not including the secret levels that you unlock after P-ranking EVERY level, with incredibly difficult boss fights that still feel fair.

    • @thismfeatinbeans
      @thismfeatinbeans Рік тому +4

      Agreed its awesome

    • @Glacier_Knight
      @Glacier_Knight Рік тому +1

      PREACH IT BROTHER

    • @spectreone
      @spectreone 11 місяців тому +3

      ​@@ctag07Ultrakill also had a sex update. You know what I mean

    • @ninjashoe2158
      @ninjashoe2158 11 місяців тому +4

      ​@Spectre One Oh, the vibration support? Yah, it's a funny addon, but not useless.

  • @MildTomfoolery1
    @MildTomfoolery1 7 місяців тому

    8:00 third secret route: dont let them know you were working on a game until shortly before its ready and live with your parents until its out and you have funding

  • @lukazafton5772
    @lukazafton5772 7 місяців тому +2

    That's why I like games like resident evil and devil may cry. Max 10 hours of gameplay, but infinite replayability. No lootboxes, no battlepasses. Only you, the story, the gameplay, the moments and the mechanics. Nice things indeed.

  • @jaxsonzuccala2590
    @jaxsonzuccala2590 Рік тому +443

    Hades is a really good example of relatively short gameplay but gameplay that’s fun throughout. And you can have as much or as little dialogue as you want

    • @Brass319
      @Brass319 Рік тому +11

      One of my personal favorites is Risk of Rain 2
      It's one of the closer games to a true roguelike out of those I've played recently, as you don't unlock any upgrades or whatever (instead the pool of obtainable items and selectable survivors diversifies), so after taking a couple hours to get your bearings you shouldn't be missing much. The gameplay is amazing too, and it's probably going to be something I keep coming back to. Not to mention the quality of the soundtrack, which is actually one of the best if not the best video game soundtracks I've ever heard. All for $25-40 depending on if you're getting the singular DLC or not.

    • @edumazieri
      @edumazieri Рік тому +26

      Hades is an incredible game, but roguelites are a bad example when it comes to this topic. They artificially increase game time by being really hard on your first runs, and easier over time with meta progression, so it's a lot of repetition with some randomness due to procedural generation. Hades even has you finish it multiple times if you want to see the full story. It's not a bad thing, it's just not comparable to games that are not roguelites.

    • @schwarzerritter5724
      @schwarzerritter5724 11 місяців тому +2

      Hades is kind of like Enter The Gungeon and The Binding of Isaac?
      Because those where specifically described as being able to be played forever.

    • @mistermomon9020
      @mistermomon9020 11 місяців тому +2

      Short it takes atleast 60 hours to beat hc you have to beat it 8-or 9 times

    • @bullishongamestop
      @bullishongamestop 11 місяців тому

      Overated

  • @deadfishbob1
    @deadfishbob1 11 місяців тому +160

    This made me think what about adding a middle-age mode, i.e. no fluff/grind/etc
    One thing you want to remember about the old developers is they were designing for the arcade or coming out of that mindset, where you wanted the players to keep putting in quarters. So games were brutal, had timers, challenging platforms, etc to get you to spend more money.

    • @Dram1984
      @Dram1984 10 місяців тому +14

      I would seriously pay extra for a "middle aged mode".

    • @schwarzschaz
      @schwarzschaz 10 місяців тому +3

      Tbh rather than that, look at what the digimon games and some horror games do. They have a normal story mode that you can finish and end. Then, if you're someone that still wants to play more, completionist type, you can go to the new game+, which is the same game, but with additional stuff (or ending) unlocked

    • @redgeoblaze3752
      @redgeoblaze3752 10 місяців тому +4

      I'd really appreciate a "de-RPG" mode where whenever you get a level, or enough crafting materials, the game just goes "we've made the choices that the developers have labeled as the default intended path, and crafted the gear that you need for this point in the game. Go back to having fun now."
      Stuff like in Sekiro, just getting the Mikiri and Ichimonji as soon as they're available so you don't have to weigh the usefulness of jumping over an enemy with a slightly different animation versus getting a very critical component of your move set which some bosses are nearly impossible without.

    • @hugofontes5708
      @hugofontes5708 10 місяців тому

      ​@@redgeoblaze3752I can see the value of that. Not sure if it would make design easier or harder but yeah, I think we might need less RPG stuff

  • @madelineariah
    @madelineariah 3 місяці тому +1

    As someone who mostly plays racing games, one of the pros of them is that all those side quests are optional and can be done at the player's convenience. They don't cut into the base game, so you can either do it all at the start of the game, at the end of the game, in the middle, or not at all if you just don't care. That said, most racing games have very short base games (from 4-12 hours depending on the game). They also range from overwhelmingly linear (you must do ALL the races in the order the devs tell you to) while others are CYOA (you can do any ones you want and not the ones you don't; so long as you do enough of them to unlock the next area/street boss/etc.).
    But... this kind of arrangement does lead into the opposite problem. You beat the game too fast, now you have to force yourself to play all the stuff you skipped in order to get your money's worth. Or you can just drive around in a fancy car and take pictures of the scenery for the next 80 hours, which is what I do.