The Starfury (especially the Aurora variant ) is my favorite sci-fi star fighter of all time, they are also the most realistic depiction of how fighters would move and act in space. Being able to turn on a dime and keep moving backwards using its inertia. No advanced life support and the pilot standing up to counter heavy Gs when maneuvering...brilliant. Also, dogfights in B5 were chaotic and asymmetrical, using the full 3D of space and physics. This show was amazing at showing this, as apposed to the flying circus acts of the Star Wars movies ( still LOVE those X-wings and TIEs though :P ). Fun fact, the Starfury design is the recycled top part of the Terminator series's Skynet tank terminator shown in the future war scenes of the movies.
After this fight Clark days were numbered the battle on Babylon 5 basically said the good guys will win! It took year and half but Sheridan beat Clark. Others just waited
Sheridan counted on the Resistance led by people like Hague to gather ships and hold out as he fought the Shadows, the more pressing battle. When he got back to the Earth fight he had all of the non-aligned League with him and the White Stars, then they joined up with the Agamemnon and the other ships.
well, they got the fighters, because the fighters were in space at the time the Churchill was destroyed. I guess, they took out the victims from all ships, and put them into the coffins they send out one episode later. Or they have put the victims from the other side into freezers to send them to earth when the conflict is over. The ships. perhabs they pushed them into hyperspace and just let them drive into the abyss there.
to ryancute22: well, it may sound tough, but it is not very wise. closing in makes it easier to aim, but for you AND the enemy. there is also the possibility of friendly fire if you get too close. yet, he could have wanted to get between the two enemies so if they miss his ship, they hit each other. (a manouver out of star wars ;-) ) who knows. in the end, it's only sci-fi ;-)
Es kann eigentlich nur um MARKETING gegangen sein ! "Babylon 5" wurde nie so gross wie "Star Trek", aber ich bin ueberzeugt: NUR wegen schlechter Vermarktung. Denn QUALITATIV ist es immer noch SPITZE !!! 😍😍😍👍👍👍
@RougeHawksClanRewind Erm...no. My first sci-fi was actually Doctor Who and V: The mini-series, so please don't be condescending if you can at all possibly help it. Stargate is ok in Small doses, but there's something about it that annoys the hell out of me. BSG had ok space battles, but it only occasionally felt like tactics were thought about by the production crew. Star Wars is just plain ol' fun. Star Trek had the occasional good episode but it just feels drawn out and lethargic.
@icanadian18 People have said the exact same thing.....10 years ago. Funny how, like the Doomsday prophecies the date keeps being moved up by a year or so.
@@Eddie42023 Bruce McGill. Fun fact, his casting was a mistake of sorts, as the writer/producer had wanted "that McGill guy" meaning Everett McGill likely because of his work in Dune (1984), but as it turned out, there were more than a few actors with the surname. And originally this role in the story was to be played by the other defector for Babylon 5's side, General William Hague, but that characters actor had been accidentally double booked for DS9 at the same time and had to be written off and replaced. Bruce did a stellar job for a one off character seen in only one episode IMHO.
Babylon 5 is so good at making these fights feel like they are about people. Not just prop ships that go "bang", but its music and atmosphere reminds you of the horror and awe of these ships fighting.
What do you think they would come up with for a government that included all the nations of Earth? (There's also the small mater that a lot of the better names have already been trademarked.)
My favorite episode of Babylon 5 ! I remember when I 1st saw it I had to breath in the end to calm down I couldn't sleep later lol and watching it again it's still has that effect on me.. Amazing writing directing and acting one of the best episodes in SCFI!!
Yes.. agreed. But the one thing that always bothered me was that the Roanoke got cut in half by the Churchill ramming it way before Sheridan asks them to surrender. He shoulda said Agrippa. That was the EA ship still alive at that point of the battle. The name Roanoke is clearly visible as it brakes apart. No point in asking them to surrender anymore. Also after Roanoke is in bits and pieces we see Ivanova's starfury ram into Agrippa after she ejects and the Alexander also fires on the side of Agrippa after that. And its when you clearly see its the Agrippa loosing control when Sheridan finally asks the Roanoke to surrender. Not a big mistake really. But if you have seen the episode several times it does seem like a careless mistake.
@@samwade6935 Either someone just put the wrong name up on the graphics, or the script got changed up. I actually caught it the first time but was like, "nah, I must've just misread it"
+zchen27 The Centauri battlecruiser went down because it was a flawed design. They didn't have docking bays for fighter escort. Without smaller ships to screen enemy fire, capital ships tend to go down quickly.
Actually in the B5 universe fighters (without anti-ship weapons) are at best useful in damaging vulnerable things like sensors and (if appropriately armed) lightly armored guns. A Centuari Primus (the Centauri capitalship that appeared in said episode) is HEAVILY armed but at the cost of intercept-capable pulse weapon capability which are used for pretty much ALL point defense work. In addition, these are Earth Alliance ships which have a well earned reputation in-verse as literal flying bricks of doom (and GUNS). After their first fortrays into space combat, Earth Alliance ships became essentially flying bricks with LOTS of guns. Part of this is the Interceptors which are guns that pretty much do what they are named: intercept anything NOT an energy beam or outright exotic (like most of the First Ones' toys which range from matter disruptors to weird bio-energy things to crazy advanced sensors) weapon. Add the 'really fucked up on reverse engineering' E-WEB (it was supposed to be a shield ala Star Trek) helping out on dampening the impact of charged particle (practically 95% of B5-verse's arsenal), kinetic (~1% of B5-verse's arsenal), and laser (~3% of B5-verse's arsenal) weaponry, Earth Alliance ships are bricks in terms of defense. Minbari (and other races in their age-range) use Neutron Laser cannons which have a nasty effect to INDUCE FISSION IN ANYTHING IT TOUCHES. Yeah, can't armor against something that does something as crazy as that. :P A Primus against an Omega? Money is on the Omega despite the Primus having a hybrid ion-gravic drive.
I don't know about that. The fighters thing. On the battle of the line Sheridan or was it Sinclair is flying a patrol and one of his wingmen tries to shoot out the bridge of a Sharlin cruiser.
And also the Earth Alliance ships, as they are more primitive than the other ships, seem to have be much more structurally stable with steel beams and so on than the other races ships, I mean, you couldn't make such manouevers like Centauri, Minbari or even Narn ships make with an Omega class ship. But being structural stronger then of course works out in duration time in a battle. You need to destroy much more physical material on an omega class cruiser, before it wents down, than on a Primus class ship.
The Centauri Primis class Battlecruisers, were also well over a hundred years old, having once been the most feared ships outside of the Minbari fleet, but more than a century of wear and cumulative battle damage mean these ships were well past their prime. Add to that an unstable main reactor and the Primus is comparable to the British Navy's HMS Hood during WW2, in that she was the biggest, most powerful and most impressive ship in the fleet, but really wasn't suited to front line combat anymore. It's why the Centauri were favoring the smaller attack cruisers more and more as the backbone of their fleet.
They had a legit excuse for showing battle damage in the stations CIC... they literally had a downed starfury land on they're face. Most scifi don't do that, they may hand waved damage on the bridge.
@PressA2Die It was a Thunderbolt Starfury. In contrast to an Aurora Starfury, like the one used by Ivanova in this video. A "Starfury" wasn't a single model of a fighter, it was more of a term for a series of fighters.
And it also was destroyed before impact. Buuuuut all the pieces of it left still hit. If the whole draft had smacked into B5, there would have been a MUCH bigger hole.
@Deke101 Hell, hon I'm 43 and still think this show should be required viewing. It really shows politics, fear-mongering, and general idiocy in authority run amok. Things we all should be vigilant of, and stand against.
fun fact... the beams are modified narn tech they sold us the weapons prior to the battle of the line and the omega class had entered service either then or immediately after.
This is one of the greatest scenes of B5 and one of my favourite as well... And when Delenn shows up in the end with Minbari cruisers, gosh, it's just perfect. Thanks for posting ;) Sorry for my poor English but I have to comment... :)
In B5 all pilots and officers acting like true military adults, and not like pafos Star Wars teens in X-wings. Every battle is fear, adrenaline, and blood. And in this way B5 scenes are outstanding despite old CG.
@@sirtaelellevalerie1056 Too bad it's just Legends now, but many rebels, especially pilots deserted from the Empire because they saw or heard of one artocity too many.
@@grayscribe1342 true, and it's somewhat acknowledged even in new "canon". But Lyuk and many others was civilian pilots still. And even real soldiers not always act as "soldiers", especially when discipline aren't enforced.
Delenn: This is Ambassador Delenn of the Minbari. Babylon 5 is under our protection. Withdraw! Or be destroyed. EA Captain: Negative. We have authority here. Do not force us to engage your ship. Delenn: Why not? Only one human captain has survived battle with a Minbari fleet. He is behind me, you are in front of me. If you value your lives be somewhere else. Gave me chills as well, still does every time I rewatch that episode. Honestly, it's a shame we never got to see omegas vs minbari cruisers. In this case, the earth ships were outnumbered and one of their ships was a Hyperion so they really had no choice but to leave. We see at proxima III how deadly the omegas can really be. Even though one of their ships straight up leaves and two don't even fight, they still inflict heavy damage on the b5 fleet including locking on to and destroying whitestars. Ships that not only gave minbari tech, but vorlon tech as well. I feel like the implication of that battle is that earth had come a long way since the battle of the line and were finally able to break the minbari stealth technology. I don't believe it's ever officially stated if the whitestars have stealth but I would assume they would and if anything, it would have been enhanced by the vorlons since even minbari fighters appear to have it during the battle of the line since the earth forces don't even fire on them. There's really no reason for the whitestars not to have it. I'd still give the minbari a big edge in maneuvering since they utilize artificial gravity instead of rotation but we saw during first contact that even old earth weapons could seriously damage a minbari ship when close enough, nevermind what they could do with the beam weapons. The problem was always the stealth. Without that, an earth-minbari engagement becomes incredibly bloody for both sides imo, especially if omega ships are in a defensive posture and can't be easily outflanked or if the warlock class and it's one shot particle beam cannons are available.
@@felkeyfelkey837 I saw that clip and frankly...I think the Minbari should've exited their jump-points firing...make it look like Battle of the Line 2.0
it came from WWIi mostly. Rules of war. International Law says you can't fire on civilians on purpose OR hit civilians incidentally 'without proportionality or distinction ". If you are ordered to do that it's an illegal order.
@@dallassukerkin6878 Heartbreaking, and difficult - not only are they all trying to stay alive, but they have to be careful not to fire on their own side by mistake!
Being a Starfury pilot has got to be a bitch. Probably hard to get through a battle without puking from vertigo. Kind of hard to get through without being blown up, too.
Wedge Antilles If you have 0G in side your fighter you have to spin very fast before even reaching 1G. Not to mention that today pilots can take sustained 9G with new anti G cloths aka "giraffe" in future there will be even more possible.
+Wedge Antilles No such thing on Earthforce fighters. Only the Minbari, the Centauri (to a certain degree) and the First Ones, like the Vorlon, Shadows and the Walkers of Sigma 957, had gravimetric control devices and thus inertial dampening systems. Of course, the Interstellar Alliance changed that. The Minbari shared some of their technology with the other races, and ships like the Warlock-class advanced destroyer had artificial gravity and inertial dampening systems, among other things.
+funkervogt47 The Starfury design was actually approved by real scientists and astronauts, because a) the cockpit is in the center. Thus the pilot experiences only minimal lateral forces when turning as he is in the center of all 3 rotation axis b) the X shaped engines provide excellent maneuverability c) the cockpit provides maximum forward view, thus an excellent way for the pilot to navigate by sight IIRC even some NASA scientists approved the design and consider it to be a possible future space ship design.
You REALLY missed it when you missed an episode. The newspaper TV listings gave the wrong timeslot for "Walkabout", and I ended up missing it on its initial broadcast. :( Back then you HAD to buy a TV Guide EVERY WEEK to make damn well sure you didn't miss an episode, due to the random way Warner Brothers Distribution kept changing the time slots. If you missed an episode of DS9 ... then you didn't really miss anything at all.
Agreed. One more thing is the inherent aspect of every true soldier: if he can be convinced that his orders are aimed at defending his nation he will set the world on fire.
The space combat scenes in the show are spectacular. When a ship gets hit its takes damage, somethimes terrible damage. Like when the Alexander flanked the Agrippa and cut it open from amidship to bow. Not like Star Trek where all shots bounce off the shielding, perhaps leaving a few blackened spots on the hull. The Omega class destroyer is a beast, in the episode where they attack Earth the Agamemnon loses most of its bow and is still capable of moving and fighting.
The omega class destroyer was designed from the lessons learned from the disastrous Earth-Minbari war. The older models were too fragile and couldnt lock on the Minbari ships. The Omega class replaced the Nova class battleship and was bulkier, could absorb ridicilous amounts of damage and could lock on to Minbari ships.
@BlaneNetherlands the Omegas were more modernized but they were not as powerful as the Nova class. It was after the war that Earth Alliance made a breakthrough on countering Minbari's EM tech that all ships and installations were retrofitted with the new censor arrays. Partly that was because the Shadows were already helping people in power on Earth. The shadows just didn't realize that Humans at their core were chaotic neutral and a civil war would erupt splitting the light from the shadow...it weakened their end game of having Earth on their side for the upcoming shadow war.
Christopher Franke really made alot of this show. Some people watched it just for the music. I liked the idea of bringing in Chen for Crusade, but getting rid of Franke was a terrible terrible idea in retrospect and that probably killed B5
Babylon 5 won't be shown because the studio in control of the rights doesn't want to pay the huge amount of royalties to various screenwriters, authors, actors...despite the fact they would make a killing.
@harleykman "today's computers are about 1200 times faster than the original Amigas " Amigas were only uses for the first season; they switched to PCs in season 2. Anyway even though todays machines render faster, it still takes a LOT of work and time to create FX shots. I work in the film industry and most of the time is spent in post adding FX. Even if you had the assets, you'd have to recompose all the original scenes, battle sounds..everything. Not gonna happen.
I don't understand all the rambling about bad CGI. These special effects were great for the time, and they still look pretty good today. For one I love how the fighters actually fly like you'd expect a spaceship to fly. Also they took artificial gravity into account, which is why some of the larger ships have rotating parts. There's a lot of attention to detail, and they never had any bull science like Star Trek usually does when explaining something technical.
I love B5s space battles. But I wish they had chosen to show more of them in a more realistic way. The high point to me was the fight between the Narn and the Shadows. It really showed the distances involved, and gave a sense of scale. This one has to many camera cuts, and too much emphasis on showing all combatants in the same shot.
This video is also heavily edited to omit the ground invasion, so it seems like too much at one time. With Girabaldi's scenes we get to catch our breath
This battle basically takes place at knife-fight range. B5 is right on top of the jumpgate, astronomically speaking, so any fight between something coming in from the gate and the station _has_ to be a messy close-range brawl.
I like how humans are not that advanced in this show. Their space ships look heavy, pitoresc in contrast with the more smooth and High-tech alien vessels. The difference between the races Power level is a nice touch of realism.
@RougeHawksClanRewind Uh.....you do realize that Babylon 5 was the first television series to use ALL CGI FX right? You realize that THEY were the pioneers of this right? As such, I can cut them some slack. You realize that several techniques, such as the zoom and focus shot, so over used on nuBSG dogfights, was pioneered on B5 right? That B5 was the first series to use correct spatial physics right? You realize that B5 pioneered the long form show that had a begining, middle and end right?
The station DID get blown up.. twice... once in a vision that was prevented by some crazy person sending a ship full of nukes crashing into the Shadow homeworld, and once for real in the finale ( ua-cam.com/video/znNciln7qwY/v-deo.html )
Respect? It's tragic. A wet cruiser complement is 600-1200 crew. Even if the crew compliment on those ships were only a mere 200 that's 400 lives lost. And for what? The whims of a power hungry maniac? Maybe the senior officers were hand picked by the VP but that's 395 or so souls that went to the same academy at about the same time. All victims of having the misfortune of being assigned to the wrong ship at the wrong time.
"If more of our so-called leaders would walk the same streets as the people who voted them in, live in the same buildings, eat the same food instead of hiding behind glass and steel and bodyguards maybe we would get better leadership and a little more concern for the future."- Capt John Sheridan
In Star Trek all the destroyed ships would have been pulverized into boring nothingness. Thanks to Babylon 5 we finally see some beautiful space battles with realistic beautiful explosions.
Of all the large capital warships in sci-fi, the omega class destroyers would be the one I would like to command. Brutal fire power, large star fury compliment and an unsettling Gothic look make it very intimadating. Those partical cannons are lethal.
Season 3 dvd extras say that this episode was very rushed to get it ready for airing on tv hence the mistakes. Fantastic episode even with the silly mistakes.
Oh the ol days of television. Star Trek The Next Generation Babylon 5 Kung Fu the Legend Continues Time Trax Highlander Earth Final Conflict Hercules Xena Nightman (love the intro music) MK Conquest The Crow Stairway to Heaven And so many others Where has good tv gone. Memories
Humans in Babylon 5 had invented fuses. Considering all the ST fanboys that state '1 Consitution class cruiser could beat all the Star Wars, B5, BSG, SAAB and Expanse ships put together as their tech is so advanced', you would think they would have invented the simple fuse if they were so 'advanced'.....
- Susan, I know you may not be the best pilot, but you have to lead our fighters. - Sir, I'm the second-in-command on the station. What if I die there? - You won't. The scriptwriter won't let you.
Imagine the debris field surrounding Epsilon 3 by the end of the fifth season I’ve always wondered who goes out there and cleans all that up. Draal’s like … c’mon guys this is my backyard
No doubt the best Sci-Fi show ever, and one of the best episodes in the series. It's a regular in the DVD player. Anyone else notice either a script or CGI animation error? At 2:25 the critically damaged Churchill rams the Roanoke forward of its mid section. In the resulting explosion you can see the ships Name "Roanoke". Yet further in the battle 3:02 Sheridan calls on the Roanoke to surrender. He should have called on the Agrippa to surrender. Still doesn't detract form a series which was great on so many levels. I'm surprised no station hasn't re run it.
I think the Roanoke was heavily damaged from the ram but not destroyed, wheras the Agrippa is lasered right down its middle and probably destroyed right there. Major Ryan saw the Churchill ram the Roanoake and probably disable it so he went for the other capital ship, firing right at its most vulnerable spot and likely killed everyone on the bridge (where they were almost hit in the beginning of the episode). Omegas are dastardly weapons, one hit on the Clarkstown and it popped like fresh corn. The Roanoake meanwhile with its fighters elsewhere and all of its interceptors down is vulnerable to B5's fire, so it is hit with everything and promptly explodes. Sheridan offers the Roanoke assistance because it is still moving, the Agrippa is probably dead in space with no contact.
@RougeHawksClanRewind Star Trek does better then B5 at space battles? The same star trek that uses warp speed (impossible) and non newtonian ship movement? (Oh look mum, the ship can fly like an aeroplane!) Where all the ships look like they were developed by Ikea? Show some respect to a show that wiped the floor with Star Trek when it came to show how space battles should be done, and provided the first believable template for how Sci-fi Earth forces would engage in combat.
Funny note:) Sheridans orders to get a targeting solution on roanoke was made pointless by the churchil ramming the roanoke. So his staff was not braindead snd retargeted towards agrippa. Unlike him, who proposed their surrender because editing is a btch.
Insane how great the show was and its fights were given the limited technical options at the time … best sci fi show alongside BSG, the Expanse, and DS9 ….
B5 was originally shot so it could go wide screen rather than in 4:3 as was the standard at the time. They shot the action in the area of the 4:3 but had additional scope in the space at the sides, but they lost the original footage. A shame but it’s still one of the best sci fi shows ever.
this is roughly how i imagine the federal forces vs protestors is gonna happen. :( some idiot with "orders" is gonna do stupid and then all hell is gonna break out
civil war is never a pretty thing, soldiers who wear the same uniform yet are trying to kill their former comrades like they've been enemies for years.
Quoted for truth, NuBSG began well and during its first season I though it had the potential to surpass B5, but the lack consistency, character development, lack of a plan, etc wrecked it. And the deus ex machina ending was just awful to watch, any six year old kid can say "the almighty did it" or "it was the six year kids dream". If that's great writing the menu at McDonalds is a masterpiece.
@RougeHawksClanRewind "doesn't even try?" dude, how old are you? You realize that B5 premiered in the early 90's right? They were using some of the best computers of the day, available to television productions. Those FX looked great by the standards of the day, and those guys had more imagination and ambition than anything the Trek guys did. B5 was the first sci-fi show to do fleet battles....after B5, every fleet battle on every other show was meh......been there done that.
@RougeHawksClanRewind what...the same nuBSG where characters acted out of character if it suited that weeks story? Or where there were duplicates of Earth? Or where all the crap writing and logic was explained away by "God did it"?The one that told us "and they have a plan" but in reality they didn't? That nuBSG? Without it's "shock" moments, the show was melodramtic garbage.
@harleykman "Actually they used the original models." I don't know where you heard that. I have the DVD and in the special features they specifically say that they had to use fan-made models because the originals were lost. "used that backup to create Legend of the Rangers" I don't remember seeing ANY original B5 models in Rangers. Well maybe the Raider but that was very, very simple.
How did clark manage this? How did Bush manage to make so many US soldiers loyal to him? Easy, the officers and soldiers of the armed forces (current or future) swore an oath to the President. However, most people see a narrow vision of the true. Do you think (even today) we see the true horrors that happen? We get media tidbits. The Babylon 5 crew was able to see a much larger scope than most. I have no doubt, President Clark had a great propoganda and media campaign plus the Psicorp
@harleykman Except ALL of the models and textures were wiped in one enormous fuck up. When they did Lost Tales, they had to use fan-made models (which is why everything looks so weird). No company is going to rebuild all that stuff, re-animate and re-render dozens of hours of footage with nothing to go on except the original footage.
If her ship was fine? Yea sure. But her ship was fucked. She decided to give a final fuck you to Clark and his minions by ramming one of the loyalist ships
With hundreds of channels on cable these days, you'd think ONE of them would see fit to rerun Babylon 5. It was a show ahead of its time.
I bought the complete Babylon 5 DVD set a while ago. I can watch whenever I like.
@Tin Man ya the expense is there but its like cheap imitation of b5. B5 has much more nuanced themes
@@jgkight1 go90 got shut down.
I know. Babylon 5 is currently on Amazon Prime video.
Comet TV tonight at 9PM ET/PT after SG1
StarFury Mk V's right up there with X-Wings and Colonial Vipers as the coolest fighters in science fiction.
+Wedge Antilles There were some awesome ships in Wing Commander (games, not the movie) and the Colony Wars series too.
How about the F-302?
***** Yeah that one's cool too.
Wedge Antilles how bout the trident class from mass effect
TBH I'm not that familiar with Mass Effect.
The Starfury (especially the Aurora variant ) is my favorite sci-fi star fighter of all time, they are also the most realistic depiction of how fighters would move and act in space. Being able to turn on a dime and keep moving backwards using its inertia. No advanced life support and the pilot standing up to counter heavy Gs when maneuvering...brilliant. Also, dogfights in B5 were chaotic and asymmetrical, using the full 3D of space and physics. This show was amazing at showing this, as apposed to the flying circus acts of the Star Wars movies ( still LOVE those X-wings and TIEs though :P ). Fun fact, the Starfury design is the recycled top part of the Terminator series's Skynet tank terminator shown in the future war scenes of the movies.
The internal logic of the Starfury is probably the best of any sci-fi show until the Expanse. And it just looked damned cool.
Didnt NASA buy the design for it?
Fighters would not exist in space. And if so they would be unmanned drones.
Damn i just realize, at 0:32, pulse barrages by alexander and churchil 's are intercepted by Agrippa in mid flight. That's one hell of accuracy.
After this fight Clark days were numbered the battle on Babylon 5 basically said the good guys will win! It took year and half but Sheridan beat Clark. Others just waited
"We cleared the way for you, John. All the way to Earth. No surprises."
[Waiting to die on that bed in MedLab]
Sheridan counted on the Resistance led by people like Hague to gather ships and hold out as he fought the Shadows, the more pressing battle. When he got back to the Earth fight he had all of the non-aligned League with him and the White Stars, then they joined up with the Agamemnon and the other ships.
Some of the best science fiction ever made....best scene ever made....especially the Earth Marine boarding party.
They did mention what happened to the wreckage left behind by the Earthforce ships? Salvage them for parts or whatever?
Probably
Likely salvage (Sheridan actually gets new fighters and pilots from the Churchill). B5 is a busy port, cannot have debris everywhere
well, they got the fighters, because the fighters were in space at the time the Churchill was destroyed. I guess, they took out the victims from all ships, and put them into the coffins they send out one episode later. Or they have put the victims from the other side into freezers to send them to earth when the conflict is over. The ships. perhabs they pushed them into hyperspace and just let them drive into the abyss there.
They norm launch them into the sun from the observation deck
One of the best Scenes in the entire babylon 5 series and one of my favorites.
to ryancute22:
well, it may sound tough, but it is not very wise. closing in makes it easier to aim, but for you AND the enemy. there is also the possibility of friendly fire if you get too close.
yet, he could have wanted to get between the two enemies so if they miss his ship, they hit each other. (a manouver out of star wars ;-) )
who knows. in the end, it's only sci-fi ;-)
Es kann eigentlich nur um MARKETING gegangen sein ! "Babylon 5" wurde nie so gross wie "Star Trek", aber ich bin ueberzeugt: NUR wegen schlechter Vermarktung. Denn QUALITATIV ist es immer noch SPITZE !!! 😍😍😍👍👍👍
Genau👍🏻
haha,, you cut out the part where Sheridan screamed at Ivaniva to eject... Good, that was a really stupid part
Ivanova, eject!
I can handle it!
Eject, Damn it!
@Kaninerness you fail, babylon 5 came out way before Eve was made. but you probably already noticed that.
@RougeHawksClanRewind Erm...no. My first sci-fi was actually Doctor Who and V: The mini-series, so please don't be condescending if you can at all possibly help it.
Stargate is ok in Small doses, but there's something about it that annoys the hell out of me. BSG had ok space battles, but it only occasionally felt like tactics were thought about by the production crew. Star Wars is just plain ol' fun. Star Trek had the occasional good episode but it just feels drawn out and lethargic.
What happened to the Hyperion Cruisers that accompanied the Omega ships in the first wave?
Blown to pieces offscreen by the Churchill.
Interesting. One of the Omegas on the side of B5, didn't have the rotating section.
Probably an editing mistake. This was a weekly TV series so they didn't have a lot of time to check for these things.
@icanadian18 People have said the exact same thing.....10 years ago. Funny how, like the Doomsday prophecies the date keeps being moved up by a year or so.
"Bring us in closer to the enemy."
"How close?"
"Right down their throats!"
ooOOooo goose bumps!!
actors like him really bring over the power of the line's their saying. you get the feeling he really means it.
@@powerghostsenior missed opportunity for him to yell ramming speed again.
@@powerghostsenior Yes, yes, a thousand times, yes. BUT... WHO IS THAT ACTOR?!
@@Eddie42023 Bruce McGill. Fun fact, his casting was a mistake of sorts, as the writer/producer had wanted "that McGill guy" meaning Everett McGill likely because of his work in Dune (1984), but as it turned out, there were more than a few actors with the surname.
And originally this role in the story was to be played by the other defector for Babylon 5's side, General William Hague, but that characters actor had been accidentally double booked for DS9 at the same time and had to be written off and replaced.
Bruce did a stellar job for a one off character seen in only one episode IMHO.
@@perx3561 and ironically the Admiral played by Robert Foxworth gets arrested (or removed) for treason in Star Trek.
Delenn's speech to conclude the conflict is one of my favorite television moments ever. I remembered it word for word even years later.
"Only one human captain has ever destroyed a Minbari cruiser before, he sits behind us. You are in front of us. Withdraw!"
@@pezdispencer113 If you value your lives be somewhere else.
Best sort of "fck off or die" speech ever.
@@pezdispencer113" Withdraw, or be destroyed " !!!
It's the Minbari accent, or maybe the Croat accent, that gets to me.
Babylon 5 is so good at making these fights feel like they are about people. Not just prop ships that go "bang", but its music and atmosphere reminds you of the horror and awe of these ships fighting.
True, but some of the factions names are the worst in sci fi history. I mean come on "earth alliance"
What do you think they would come up with for a government that included all the nations of Earth?
(There's also the small mater that a lot of the better names have already been trademarked.)
How about the Terrain National Coalition, or the Republic of Unified Nations
I like the latter, only because all Earth warships would have R.U.N. sprawled across their bows
@@rangodeldiablo Don't forget "Centauri *Republic* "
My favorite episode of Babylon 5 ! I remember when I 1st saw it I had to breath in the end to calm down I couldn't sleep later lol and watching it again it's still has that effect on me.. Amazing writing directing and acting one of the best episodes in SCFI!!
This episode won the Nebula Award for a reason!
Yes.. agreed. But the one thing that always bothered me was that the Roanoke got cut in half by the Churchill ramming it way before Sheridan asks them to surrender. He shoulda said Agrippa. That was the EA ship still alive at that point of the battle. The name Roanoke is clearly visible as it brakes apart. No point in asking them to surrender anymore.
Also after Roanoke is in bits and pieces we see Ivanova's starfury ram into Agrippa after she ejects and the Alexander also fires on the side of Agrippa after that. And its when you clearly see its the Agrippa loosing control when Sheridan finally asks the Roanoke to surrender. Not a big mistake really. But if you have seen the episode several times it does seem like a careless mistake.
that was a nice spot, I have seen this show multiple times and have not seen that error
I must say that Earth-Alliance politics are what kept me watching the show.
@@samwade6935 Either someone just put the wrong name up on the graphics, or the script got changed up. I actually caught it the first time but was like, "nah, I must've just misread it"
Looks like the EA forgot how fast the Centauri battlecruiser went down when it confronted Babylon 5.
+zchen27 The Centauri battlecruiser went down because it was a flawed design. They didn't have docking bays for fighter escort. Without smaller ships to screen enemy fire, capital ships tend to go down quickly.
Actually in the B5 universe fighters (without anti-ship weapons) are at best useful in damaging vulnerable things like sensors and (if appropriately armed) lightly armored guns. A Centuari Primus (the Centauri capitalship that appeared in said episode) is HEAVILY armed but at the cost of intercept-capable pulse weapon capability which are used for pretty much ALL point defense work.
In addition, these are Earth Alliance ships which have a well earned reputation in-verse as literal flying bricks of doom (and GUNS). After their first fortrays into space combat, Earth Alliance ships became essentially flying bricks with LOTS of guns. Part of this is the Interceptors which are guns that pretty much do what they are named: intercept anything NOT an energy beam or outright exotic (like most of the First Ones' toys which range from matter disruptors to weird bio-energy things to crazy advanced sensors) weapon. Add the 'really fucked up on reverse engineering' E-WEB (it was supposed to be a shield ala Star Trek) helping out on dampening the impact of charged particle (practically 95% of B5-verse's arsenal), kinetic (~1% of B5-verse's arsenal), and laser (~3% of B5-verse's arsenal) weaponry, Earth Alliance ships are bricks in terms of defense.
Minbari (and other races in their age-range) use Neutron Laser cannons which have a nasty effect to INDUCE FISSION IN ANYTHING IT TOUCHES. Yeah, can't armor against something that does something as crazy as that. :P
A Primus against an Omega? Money is on the Omega despite the Primus having a hybrid ion-gravic drive.
I don't know about that. The fighters thing. On the battle of the line Sheridan or was it Sinclair is flying a patrol and one of his wingmen tries to shoot out the bridge of a Sharlin cruiser.
And also the Earth Alliance ships, as they are more primitive than the other ships, seem to have be much more structurally stable with steel beams and so on than the other races ships, I mean, you couldn't make such manouevers like Centauri, Minbari or even Narn ships make with an Omega class ship. But being structural stronger then of course works out in duration time in a battle. You need to destroy much more physical material on an omega class cruiser, before it wents down, than on a Primus class ship.
The Centauri Primis class Battlecruisers, were also well over a hundred years old, having once been the most feared ships outside of the Minbari fleet, but more than a century of wear and cumulative battle damage mean these ships were well past their prime. Add to that an unstable main reactor and the Primus is comparable to the British Navy's HMS Hood during WW2, in that she was the biggest, most powerful and most impressive ship in the fleet, but really wasn't suited to front line combat anymore. It's why the Centauri were favoring the smaller attack cruisers more and more as the backbone of their fleet.
They had a legit excuse for showing battle damage in the stations CIC... they literally had a downed starfury land on they're face. Most scifi don't do that, they may hand waved damage on the bridge.
It's been a few years since I have seen this show but I'm sure that was a Thunderbolt colliding with the bridge.
@PressA2Die It was a Thunderbolt Starfury. In contrast to an Aurora Starfury, like the one used by Ivanova in this video. A "Starfury" wasn't a single model of a fighter, it was more of a term for a series of fighters.
And it also was destroyed before impact. Buuuuut all the pieces of it left still hit. If the whole draft had smacked into B5, there would have been a MUCH bigger hole.
great story, acting, CGI, does not get better than this, sadly most of the actors have since died
@Deke101 Hell, hon I'm 43 and still think this show should be required viewing.
It really shows politics, fear-mongering, and general idiocy in authority run amok.
Things we all should be vigilant of, and stand against.
Ten years later...what a ride it's been, eh?
Those Omega cannons though.
fun fact... the beams are modified narn tech
they sold us the weapons prior to the battle of the line and the omega class had entered service either then or immediately after.
They never show the parts of this battle where the breaching pods invade B5 and Garabaldi leads the defence
And all the Narns just run right past the carefully prepared positions just so they can jump on the first hostile gun they can find.
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"Don't make us do this." ------Sheridan.
This is one of the greatest scenes of B5 and one of my favourite as well... And when Delenn shows up in the end with Minbari cruisers, gosh, it's just perfect.
Thanks for posting ;)
Sorry for my poor English but I have to comment... :)
Just sooo much oomf to those Omega pulse cannons, heavy gravelly and mean!
One of the greatest sci-fi battle scenes ever.
In B5 all pilots and officers acting like true military adults, and not like pafos Star Wars teens in X-wings. Every battle is fear, adrenaline, and blood. And in this way B5 scenes are outstanding despite old CG.
to be fair, x-wings pilots are rebels, not real military.
@DEEPFOXJUDE if you train someone from child to only kill and be a soldier. Then that's what you get.
@@sirtaelellevalerie1056 Too bad it's just Legends now, but many rebels, especially pilots deserted from the Empire because they saw or heard of one artocity too many.
@@grayscribe1342 true, and it's somewhat acknowledged even in new "canon". But Lyuk and many others was civilian pilots still. And even real soldiers not always act as "soldiers", especially when discipline aren't enforced.
The OT rebels were pretty professional
I would have liked the video to go a bit further. I remember the chills I felt after the message from Dellenn when it aired the first time.
Delenn: This is Ambassador Delenn of the Minbari. Babylon 5 is under our protection. Withdraw! Or be destroyed.
EA Captain: Negative. We have authority here. Do not force us to engage your ship.
Delenn: Why not? Only one human captain has survived battle with a Minbari fleet. He is behind me, you are in front of me. If you value your lives be somewhere else.
Gave me chills as well, still does every time I rewatch that episode.
Honestly, it's a shame we never got to see omegas vs minbari cruisers. In this case, the earth ships were outnumbered and one of their ships was a Hyperion so they really had no choice but to leave. We see at proxima III how deadly the omegas can really be. Even though one of their ships straight up leaves and two don't even fight, they still inflict heavy damage on the b5 fleet including locking on to and destroying whitestars. Ships that not only gave minbari tech, but vorlon tech as well.
I feel like the implication of that battle is that earth had come a long way since the battle of the line and were finally able to break the minbari stealth technology. I don't believe it's ever officially stated if the whitestars have stealth but I would assume they would and if anything, it would have been enhanced by the vorlons since even minbari fighters appear to have it during the battle of the line since the earth forces don't even fire on them. There's really no reason for the whitestars not to have it.
I'd still give the minbari a big edge in maneuvering since they utilize artificial gravity instead of rotation but we saw during first contact that even old earth weapons could seriously damage a minbari ship when close enough, nevermind what they could do with the beam weapons. The problem was always the stealth. Without that, an earth-minbari engagement becomes incredibly bloody for both sides imo, especially if omega ships are in a defensive posture and can't be easily outflanked or if the warlock class and it's one shot particle beam cannons are available.
@@felkeyfelkey837 That and Ivanova's "death incarnate/avenging hand of god" speech truly gave me chills.
@@felkeyfelkey837 I saw that clip and frankly...I think the Minbari should've exited their jump-points firing...make it look like Battle of the Line 2.0
Poor Sheridan. Every time he offers aid to his enemies if they surrender their ships blow up right after.
The music. Every time...
Space battles that actually mean something to the story. What a concept.
I see the first season and then I see this and I can't help but marvel at the improvement.
Best episode in the show.
The shit well-and-truely hits the fan - everything about the show changes.
Just waiting for them to reboot this....and destroy it like they've destroyed pretty much all other franchises. It will happen sooner or later.
It'll depend on who owns the franchise and weather or not they love it.
I do agree that no one will ever do it better than this.
@DEEPFOXJUDE We can always hope.
@@ethenallen1388 I wouldnt say no to a remastered version however, with maybe some tweeking of the CGI to bring it up to date.
Can't imagine what it must feel like to have to fire on your own ppl. I had also never heard of the concept of illegal orders till this episode
Yup, some of those people that you knew went to the academy together or serve together in previous positions.
I was thinking as I watched this that there is nothing more heartbreaking than a civil war :(.
it came from WWIi mostly.
Rules of war. International Law says you can't fire on civilians on purpose OR hit civilians incidentally 'without proportionality or distinction ".
If you are ordered to do that it's an illegal order.
@@dallassukerkin6878 Heartbreaking, and difficult - not only are they all trying to stay alive, but they have to be careful not to fire on their own side by mistake!
@Brianboro67
"Stop that Narn chatter and head on 2-3-0!!"
"repeat please!"
LOL. I get that reference.
I've to say, Ivanova's helmet is pretty badass!
Still by far the best CGI space combat.
You should watch the expanse then
Being a Starfury pilot has got to be a bitch. Probably hard to get through a battle without puking from vertigo. Kind of hard to get through without being blown up, too.
funkervogt47 I'm betting some kind of inertial dampening system like pretty much every other sci-fi franchise.
Wedge Antilles If you have 0G in side your fighter you have to spin very fast before even reaching 1G. Not to mention that today pilots can take sustained 9G with new anti G cloths aka "giraffe" in future there will be even more possible.
+funkervogt47 it also wouldn't work in real life - lasers would swat them down pretty much as soon as they launched
+Wedge Antilles No such thing on Earthforce fighters. Only the Minbari, the Centauri (to a certain degree) and the First Ones, like the Vorlon, Shadows and the Walkers of Sigma 957, had gravimetric control devices and thus inertial dampening systems.
Of course, the Interstellar Alliance changed that. The Minbari shared some of their technology with the other races, and ships like the Warlock-class advanced destroyer had artificial gravity and inertial dampening systems, among other things.
+funkervogt47 The Starfury design was actually approved by real scientists and astronauts, because
a) the cockpit is in the center. Thus the pilot experiences only minimal lateral forces when turning as he is in the center of all 3 rotation axis
b) the X shaped engines provide excellent maneuverability
c) the cockpit provides maximum forward view, thus an excellent way for the pilot to navigate by sight
IIRC even some NASA scientists approved the design and consider it to be a possible future space ship design.
Sure miss watching this series
You REALLY missed it when you missed an episode. The newspaper TV listings gave the wrong timeslot for "Walkabout", and I ended up missing it on its initial broadcast. :( Back then you HAD to buy a TV Guide EVERY WEEK to make damn well sure you didn't miss an episode, due to the random way Warner Brothers Distribution kept changing the time slots.
If you missed an episode of DS9 ... then you didn't really miss anything at all.
RIP Hiroshi
I remember seeing this on tv in the 90s, great series!
Agreed. One more thing is the inherent aspect of every true soldier: if he can be convinced that his orders are aimed at defending his nation he will set the world on fire.
The space combat scenes in the show are spectacular. When a ship gets hit its takes damage, somethimes terrible damage. Like when the Alexander flanked the Agrippa and cut it open from amidship to bow. Not like Star Trek where all shots bounce off the shielding, perhaps leaving a few blackened spots on the hull. The Omega class destroyer is a beast, in the episode where they attack Earth the Agamemnon loses most of its bow and is still capable of moving and fighting.
The omega class destroyer was designed from the lessons learned from the disastrous Earth-Minbari war. The older models were too fragile and couldnt lock on the Minbari ships. The Omega class replaced the Nova class battleship and was bulkier, could absorb ridicilous amounts of damage and could lock on to Minbari ships.
@@BlaneNostalgia i thought ONLY the shadow tech Omegas could lock on Minbary ships?
@BlaneNetherlands the Omegas were more modernized but they were not as powerful as the Nova class.
It was after the war that Earth Alliance made a breakthrough on countering Minbari's EM tech that all ships and installations were retrofitted with the new censor arrays.
Partly that was because the Shadows were already helping people in power on Earth. The shadows just didn't realize that Humans at their core were chaotic neutral and a civil war would erupt splitting the light from the shadow...it weakened their end game of having Earth on their side for the upcoming shadow war.
@@everyonethinksyoureadeathm5773 reinforcing censorship in space , damn those Omegas were good
Christopher Franke really made alot of this show. Some people watched it just for the music. I liked the idea of bringing in Chen for Crusade, but getting rid of Franke was a terrible terrible idea in retrospect and that probably killed B5
@Hask79 Yeah, besides, the original sound track is amazing.
this scene was not over
Babylon 5 won't be shown because the studio in control of the rights doesn't want to pay the huge amount of royalties to various screenwriters, authors, actors...despite the fact they would make a killing.
Comet broadcast channel shows 5 hours of B5 every Wednesday.
@harleykman "today's computers are about 1200 times faster than the original Amigas "
Amigas were only uses for the first season; they switched to PCs in season 2. Anyway even though todays machines render faster, it still takes a LOT of work and time to create FX shots. I work in the film industry and most of the time is spent in post adding FX.
Even if you had the assets, you'd have to recompose all the original scenes, battle sounds..everything. Not gonna happen.
I don't understand all the rambling about bad CGI. These special effects were great for the time, and they still look pretty good today. For one I love how the fighters actually fly like you'd expect a spaceship to fly. Also they took artificial gravity into account, which is why some of the larger ships have rotating parts. There's a lot of attention to detail, and they never had any bull science like Star Trek usually does when explaining something technical.
This is the Earth Alliance destroyer Agrippa to Babylon 5 and renegade ships.
@Varrenify Sadly we have to take what we can get. Still a damned sight better then most Sci-Fi combat too :)
I love B5s space battles. But I wish they had chosen to show more of them in a more realistic way. The high point to me was the fight between the Narn and the Shadows. It really showed the distances involved, and gave a sense of scale. This one has to many camera cuts, and too much emphasis on showing all combatants in the same shot.
This video is also heavily edited to omit the ground invasion, so it seems like too much at one time. With Girabaldi's scenes we get to catch our breath
This battle basically takes place at knife-fight range. B5 is right on top of the jumpgate, astronomically speaking, so any fight between something coming in from the gate and the station _has_ to be a messy close-range brawl.
I like how humans are not that advanced in this show. Their space ships look heavy, pitoresc in contrast with the more smooth and High-tech alien vessels. The difference between the races Power level is a nice touch of realism.
Churchill R.I.P.
To Stand Against the Dark...or Perish
Thanks for uploading this :)
@RougeHawksClanRewind Uh.....you do realize that Babylon 5 was the first television series to use ALL CGI FX right? You realize that THEY were the pioneers of this right? As such, I can cut them some slack. You realize that several techniques, such as the zoom and focus shot, so over used on nuBSG dogfights, was pioneered on B5 right? That B5 was the first series to use correct spatial physics right? You realize that B5 pioneered the long form show that had a begining, middle and end right?
I always wondered why the first group did not wait for the soon to arrive second group before making the attempt on B5.
They probably thought they had things under control. Hell, they probably figured those renegade ships weren't going to be there and willing to fight.
Overconfidence and a bit of Stalinism, the older more experienced commanders were being replaced with young inexperienced regime loyalists.
@@watcherzero5256 That makes perfect sense within the framework of the story. Thank you!
this was one of the great battles in scifi series history.i really did not think the station was gonna make it thru.
Its definitely one of the most intense. The suspense is perfectly built up all the way until the shit finally hits the fan.
The station DID get blown up.. twice... once in a vision that was prevented by some crazy person sending a ship full of nukes crashing into the Shadow homeworld, and once for real in the finale ( ua-cam.com/video/znNciln7qwY/v-deo.html )
Respect? It's tragic. A wet cruiser complement is 600-1200 crew. Even if the crew compliment on those ships were only a mere 200 that's 400 lives lost. And for what? The whims of a power hungry maniac? Maybe the senior officers were hand picked by the VP but that's 395 or so souls that went to the same academy at about the same time. All victims of having the misfortune of being assigned to the wrong ship at the wrong time.
Thats's always the case in war and especially in civil wars.
"If more of our so-called leaders would walk the same streets as the people who voted them in, live in the same buildings, eat the same food instead of hiding behind glass and steel and bodyguards maybe we would get better leadership and a little more concern for the future."- Capt John Sheridan
Star Trek is very smart, are you kidding? It's not unique anymore, but neither is B5. They were both unique when they came out.
FreeSpace and Mass Effect only exist because of this.
Still better than any current Trek series
I am shocked the SciFi channel does not reair any episodes of Babylon 5
The battle inside the station is dramatic. While I am against a reboot I think that the Dilgar war would make a fine prequel.
Would prefer the Drakh conflict myself.
I went and bought the box set of B5..............must have watched them all abou 6 times.
In Star Trek all the destroyed ships would have been pulverized into boring nothingness. Thanks to Babylon 5 we finally see some beautiful space battles with realistic beautiful explosions.
Of all the large capital warships in sci-fi, the omega class destroyers would be the one I would like to command. Brutal fire power, large star fury compliment and an unsettling Gothic look make it very intimadating. Those partical cannons are lethal.
Season 3 dvd extras say that this episode was very rushed to get it ready for airing on tv hence the mistakes. Fantastic episode even with the silly mistakes.
The part where the Thunderbolt spins out of control and crashes into the station is epic
Great scene but I always wonder what the 2 Hyperion ships are doing after the first shot?
They were playing as defence, perhaps?
they have to hang back as Omegas can destroy them in one hit, as proven in the episode. They were also cover fire for the breaching pods.
Loved this show
Greatest sci-fi show of all time. Even though ST: TNG had a greater cultural impact, B5 was more groundbreaking and revolutionary.
Oh the ol days of television.
Star Trek The Next Generation
Babylon 5
Kung Fu the Legend Continues
Time Trax
Highlander
Earth Final Conflict
Hercules
Xena
Nightman (love the intro music)
MK Conquest
The Crow Stairway to Heaven
And so many others
Where has good tv gone.
Memories
And no exploding consoles killing random people.
Humans in Babylon 5 had invented fuses. Considering all the ST fanboys that state '1 Consitution class cruiser could beat all the Star Wars, B5, BSG, SAAB and Expanse ships put together as their tech is so advanced', you would think they would have invented the simple fuse if they were so 'advanced'.....
1:18 right down their throats - now thats a war talk!
- Susan, I know you may not be the best pilot, but you have to lead our fighters.
- Sir, I'm the second-in-command on the station. What if I die there?
- You won't. The scriptwriter won't let you.
Captain Braxton!
Imagine the debris field surrounding Epsilon 3 by the end of the fifth season
I’ve always wondered who goes out there and cleans all that up.
Draal’s like … c’mon guys this is my backyard
An absolute classic. I'd love a remastered version of all the CGI scenes.
No doubt the best Sci-Fi show ever, and one of the best episodes in the series. It's a regular in the DVD player. Anyone else notice either a script or CGI animation error?
At 2:25 the critically damaged Churchill rams the Roanoke forward of its mid section. In the resulting explosion you can see the ships Name "Roanoke". Yet further in the battle 3:02 Sheridan calls on the Roanoke to surrender. He should have called on the Agrippa to surrender.
Still doesn't detract form a series which was great on so many levels. I'm surprised no station hasn't re run it.
With modern technology, that could be fixed, too. Hell, all the graphics could be updated and it'd look amazing.
I think the Roanoke was heavily damaged from the ram but not destroyed, wheras the Agrippa is lasered right down its middle and probably destroyed right there. Major Ryan saw the Churchill ram the Roanoake and probably disable it so he went for the other capital ship, firing right at its most vulnerable spot and likely killed everyone on the bridge (where they were almost hit in the beginning of the episode). Omegas are dastardly weapons, one hit on the Clarkstown and it popped like fresh corn.
The Roanoake meanwhile with its fighters elsewhere and all of its interceptors down is vulnerable to B5's fire, so it is hit with everything and promptly explodes.
Sheridan offers the Roanoke assistance because it is still moving, the Agrippa is probably dead in space with no contact.
@RougeHawksClanRewind Star Trek does better then B5 at space battles? The same star trek that uses warp speed (impossible) and non newtonian ship movement? (Oh look mum, the ship can fly like an aeroplane!) Where all the ships look like they were developed by Ikea?
Show some respect to a show that wiped the floor with Star Trek when it came to show how space battles should be done, and provided the first believable template for how Sci-fi Earth forces would engage in combat.
Funny note:)
Sheridans orders to get a targeting solution on roanoke was made pointless by the churchil ramming the roanoke.
So his staff was not braindead snd retargeted towards agrippa.
Unlike him, who proposed their surrender because editing is a btch.
The human civil war is one of the most impressive arcs in TV history.
Nobody wins, nobody is happy. Everything is tragedy when brother fights brother.
Has anyone commented on someone with a possibly Japanese name doing a kamekazi strike?
She was Japanese. She was in the conference room in an earlier scene.
Insane how great the show was and its fights were given the limited technical options at the time … best sci fi show alongside BSG, the Expanse, and DS9 ….
Story was great. Animation crap. First ones, yeah piss off! Rest was great. Acting mediocre but still better than most nowadays.
B5 was originally shot so it could go wide screen rather than in 4:3 as was the standard at the time. They shot the action in the area of the 4:3 but had additional scope in the space at the sides, but they lost the original footage. A shame but it’s still one of the best sci fi shows ever.
Твою ж мать, помню эту серию как сейчас. И столкновение кораблей Omega.
this is roughly how i imagine the federal forces vs protestors is gonna happen. :( some idiot with "orders" is gonna do stupid and then all hell is gonna break out
civil war is never a pretty thing, soldiers who wear the same uniform yet are trying to kill their former comrades like they've been enemies for years.
Quoted for truth, NuBSG began well and during its first season I though it had the potential to surpass B5, but the lack consistency, character development, lack of a plan, etc wrecked it. And the deus ex machina ending was just awful to watch, any six year old kid can say "the almighty did it" or "it was the six year kids dream". If that's great writing the menu at McDonalds is a masterpiece.
@RougeHawksClanRewind "doesn't even try?" dude, how old are you? You realize that B5 premiered in the early 90's right? They were using some of the best computers of the day, available to television productions. Those FX looked great by the standards of the day, and those guys had more imagination and ambition than anything the Trek guys did. B5 was the first sci-fi show to do fleet battles....after B5, every fleet battle on every other show was meh......been there done that.
@RougeHawksClanRewind what...the same nuBSG where characters acted out of character if it suited that weeks story? Or where there were duplicates of Earth? Or where all the crap writing and logic was explained away by "God did it"?The one that told us "and they have a plan" but in reality they didn't? That nuBSG? Without it's "shock" moments, the show was melodramtic garbage.
@harleykman "Actually they used the original models."
I don't know where you heard that. I have the DVD and in the special features they specifically say that they had to use fan-made models because the originals were lost.
"used that backup to create Legend of the Rangers"
I don't remember seeing ANY original B5 models in Rangers. Well maybe the Raider but that was very, very simple.
How did clark manage this?
How did Bush manage to make so many US soldiers loyal to him?
Easy, the officers and soldiers of the armed forces (current or future) swore an oath to the President. However, most people see a narrow vision of the true. Do you think (even today) we see the true horrors that happen? We get media tidbits. The Babylon 5 crew was able to see a much larger scope than most.
I have no doubt, President Clark had a great propoganda and media campaign plus the Psicorp
@harleykman Except ALL of the models and textures were wiped in one enormous fuck up.
When they did Lost Tales, they had to use fan-made models (which is why everything looks so weird). No company is going to rebuild all that stuff, re-animate and re-render dozens of hours of footage with nothing to go on except the original footage.
Does anyone else think its fucked up that they made the Japanese captain ram her ship into another.
If her ship was fine? Yea sure.
But her ship was fucked. She decided to give a final fuck you to Clark and his minions by ramming one of the loyalist ships