Storm Test - New 2020 Copper Spur HV UL3
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- Опубліковано 12 бер 2021
- I test the new 2020 Copper Spur HV UL3 in a rain storm. The tent collapses in the strong wind, I fix it with my trekking poles.
I am in the transition from heavy weight backpacking/hiking to ultralight backpacking/hiking.
I hike here in Scandinavia were there is a tradition to use very heavy gear, because of the cold and inclement weather.
I am trying to change the tradition, and still be safe and comfortable.
Here is a list of some of the gear that I use, and can recommend:
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Hiking gear:
Tent: Big Agnes new 2020 Copper Spur HV UL3
Big Agnes (old model) Copper Spur HV UL2
Fjellraven Abisko Shape 3
Backpack: Zpacks Arc Haul
Packliner: Gossamer Gear Packliner
Quilt: Enlightened Equipment Revelation -6 and -12 celcius
Sleeping pad: Therm A Rest Neoair Xlite regular wide
Seat pad: Therm A Rest Z Seat
Waterfilter: Katadyn BeFree 0,6 L
Headlamp: Black Diamond ReVolt
Stove: Soto WindMaster Stove
Mug: Evernew Ti Mug Pot 500 ml and 900 ml
Spoon: Sea To Summit - Alpha Light
Clothes:
Rain jacket: Mont-Bell Versalite
Rain pants: OMM Kamleika Pants
Mid layer: Mont-Bell U.L. Thermawrap Parka
Rain mitts: OMM Kamleika Mitts
Down jacket: Mont-Bell Plasma 1000 Down Jacket
Hiking pants: Patagonia Quandary Pants
Shoe: Altra Lone Peak 4.5
Socks: Darn Tough Hiker Micro Crew
Camera gear:
Panasonic Lumix G80/85
Leica MFT 12mm f1.4
Laowa Compact Dreamer 7.5mm f2.0
NISI ND filter 1.5 - 5 stop and 5 - 9 stop
Røde VideoMicro - Microphone
Pedco Ultrapood ll Tripod
Zpacks Multi Pack - for caring it
Contact information - hanskirk@me.com
Thanks Hans for sharing this video. I had the same issue when a peg came loose and the tent collapsed and broke a pole. Entirely my fault - I'm still happy with my tent and got a replacement pole. I asked Big Agnes directly on tent direction and they said this:
"If you are in a windy area, do your best to orient your tent so that the foot (shorter side) faces into the prevailing wind. This will put your tent in the best position to resist even strong winds and reduce flapping noises during the night." -customer service.
Have you tried putting the treking poles on the inside to brace the pole, it doesn't need to be that high? I use the treking pole strap to tie around the tent pole, then dig the spike into the ground. I'm always afraid of someone stealing the treking poles when on the outside.
Hi Paul thank you for reaching out to me… interesting that you asked BA about storm set up, I guess I intuitively did the right things.
I have never tried to strengthen the tent from inside I think it could work.
And thanks for your advice and tips
Love the trekking pole idea. I’ll be sure to use it if I’m ever in the same situation.
Thanks, and I’m glad that the video was helpful
Hans great video and some new information not found about the Copper Spur HV UL3, thankyou so much for sharing! Liked and Subscribed
Thanks very much and welcome to the channel
Thanks, I am so happy I went for the Hilleberg Staika. I looked a lot at the Cupper Spur but for my kayaking in the archipelago the Cupper would been awful
Glad that the video was helpful
Loved the review!! My husband learned something new with your trekking pole tip!!!
Thanks Marissa 😊
Excellent idea using the trekking poles, I have the one person version and have wondered how it would perform in severe weather tho I would normally carry a scarp 1 tent in the high mountain areas.
Awesome trick!
Thanks Rando
I didn't get a sense of how waterproof the tent was, but I am now captivated by the surrealist cinematography and editing.
Hi Ken - thanks very much your opinion mens a lot to me... the tent 100% waterproof 💁🏕
@@hanskirk-hiking9697 When you transitioned to the camera shot of the TV and then pulled away I half expected you to be in the tent! :)
Glad you liked my little trick 😊
Thank you for these great tips on using this tent in bad weather.
You are welcome and thank you for your nice comment 🙂
Real deal review and straight to buisness, good job. Those that push thier equipment from time to time need good reviews like this to understand any models limits.
Hi Eric - thanks very much - i appreciate your comment 😊
Love my Copper Spur . I just returned from 30 days in the high elevation backcountry of Colorado in which I saw all weather conditions. Wind, rain, sleet, snow, cold, warm and sunny. Gotta love what Colorado throws at you. My UL2 performed flawlessly! Great mountain tent! I highly recommend!
Hi David 30 days in the backcountry - what a trip and fantastic to hear that that the Copper Spur hold up to these conditions - I think that many people are skeptical of this tent because of its lightweight materials 💁🏕
@@hanskirk-hiking9697 so i bought the tent used and it is showing signs of a little wear and tear. but it has never leaked and i've always stayed dry. i've used it from September through January in the southwest including the mountains in NM and CO on my deer and elk hunts. in fact, i liked it so much, i just bought a new one. the 2 person mountain glow version this time because that was the only one they had left. i am not easy on my gear and for this tent to handle the abuse i gave it was outstanding over the last 5 years. and i don't even know when the original buyer purchased it. can't wait to put the new one to the test in January in the foothills of AZ where it gets quite cold at night and could see some snow. i will say though that at times if i know the weather is going to be brutal or i take the extended backcountry trips, i stretch a 12x12 cat cut Kelty Noah's Tarp over it so i can deploy my REI Flexlite chair during inclimate weather and enjoy the rain, snow or whatever mother nature throws at me. the tarp acts as a covered awning i guess you could say.
Hi David so I guess you like Big Agnes tent 🏕 nice to hear that you use the tent very much and use it hard. In my opinion there are 3 things that destroys a tent: sunlight - dirt and stiks (works like sandpaper on the fabric) and if you store the tent damp or wet.
Great to hear another from Colo experiences. The CS is the only one I use anymore as the others had mesh so low the fine dust and dirt blew in to my face through the night. Higher solid panels, steep walls, feature rich. I just love it 2 years in now
Thanks for the trouble of pitching the tent in such windy conditions and enlightening us.
Hi Padma - my pleasure 😇
Great video and excellent tip for stabilizing a tent! Thank you very much for sharing it.
Hello Paul Bawby, thanks for your nice comment it mens a lot to me. And the tip really works 💁🏕
This was great information. Thank you for the time and effort you put into recording this
Hi Chuck - thanks for the kind words 😊
Absolutely fantastic video and tip. Thank you so much!!
Hello lllGetThere - thanks very much 😊
Thanks for your tips! Very appreciated.
Hi Luis - my pleasure - thanks for your opinion, it means a lot to me 😀
Really love your videos. Instructional and very professional. You cover details that others do not. Thank you very much! I also own the Copper Spur HV UL3 Mtnglo tent and love it!! Off on a 5 day adventure in N. H. White Mountains with it next week!
Hello Jon - thanks for the kind comment - and good luck in the White Mountains… are you bringing your Copper Spur ? ⛺️
Thank you so much! I was looking for a storm review, really helpful!
Hi Lucia you are welcome
Great video thank you. Super tips. I have used the copper spur for 2 years and dozens of trips in Colorado Rocky Mountains and love it more than ever. Have had snow and sleet and high winds. Zero failures or issues.
Hi Rodney - thanks much appreciated - yes it is a great tent
Thank you for the advice about using the treking poles!
Hi Joel - you are welcome
Thnx for the tip with the tracking pooles! 😊👌🏻
You are welcome
Fantastic video, thanks for making this, it’s a really useful hack with the poles!
Hello Elleke, glad you like my pole hack 😊
Watched this video before doing the Fjallraven Classic Sweden this year and it was a complete trip saver. We had to pitch in a super exposed spot with sustained 10+ mph wind and rain and had absolutely no problems using the trekking pole pitch. Thanks for posting this!
Hi Brian thanks very much - nice that it also worked for you - happy hiking 😃
Good video. The pole tip is great.
Hello Christopher - thanks for the kind comment - much appreciatet 💁
Excellent video, good to see tents in tough conditions. Tents always do well in good weather but it's when the conditions change you need to know how dependable they are, thank you for posting, don't worry about video quality in weather like that my eyes would have trouble focusing 🤣
Hi Hovering Droppage - thanks very much for your comment - your opinion mens a lot to me 😊 I prefer to make gear videos in the great outdoors 🏕💁
Many thanks, this was a really good review.
Hi Johan, sorry for the response out hiking 🏕
Thanks very much 😊
Great video! Dude you are awesome!!!
Hi SilentService640 - thanks very much - your opinion mens a lot to me 💁😊
Looking to purchase this tent and taking in many reviews. Thank you for your expert review and troubleshooting. Will make sure to consider trekking poles and stabilizing option!
Hi Watermelon - thanks very much- and good luck with your new tent, there is a new version of the tent for taller people 😊
Thanks, man lots of good tips 🙂👍
Thanks very much 💁🇩🇰
Great vid. Thanks
Hello Ripper218 - thanks very much 💁
Thank you very much video was very helpful
Hi Tim you are welcome 😀
Hi Hans, really nice demonstration and good to know how to overcome some equipment limits ;-)
Hilser fra Østerrike!
Hello Bugikraxn - I like to test my gear to the limit ha ha - thanks very much 💁🇩🇰
Great video 👍👍🇬🇧🇬🇧
Hi Ian - thanks 🇩🇰
Tack för en Riktigt bra presentation! Jag funderar själv på att köpa det men var lite skeptisk till just hur bra det står emot vind, går ju bara i fjällen på 800-1500möh. Men med stavar som håller upp staglinorna så verkar det ju vara ok. Alternativt ett Helsport Reinsfjell Superligt 3...men det blir ju tyngre! Tack ännu en gång :)!
Hej Anders - tak, jeg kigger selv efter vinter telt - men jeg syntes de bliver for tunge og der er heller ikke så meget højde i de fleste tunneltelte 💁🏕
Great tips. I am considering the 2p version and want to make sure it can handle weather. Also considering the MSR Hubba Hubba
Hi thanks - you can now get 2 person version in a ekstra long edition.
Trekking pole tip was excellent. Tents that pitch inner first don’t seem a great idea except in decent weather.
This tent was in my short list but I’m going to reconsider this now.
Hello Analogue Cat, thanks - it is really a quality tent that can withstand some beating 🏕
Thank you!
Hello Lidija T - thank you 💁🇩🇰
awesome tip with the trekking poles... for (expected) really bad weather I have the Hilleberg Namatje, but it's much heavier (~2x)... but in summer it's usually way to hot in the Hilleberg (can't find the mesh inner tent)
Hi Christian thanks very much for, Hilleberg make great tents, but in the summer you need the mesh inner ha ha 😂
Excellent!
Thanks Rob 🙂
great video please more
Hi Chris - thanks 😊
@@hanskirk-hiking9697 i have be backpacking for a long time and recently had my tent fail under high winds and rain. this year i am buying a new tent. this tent is one of three tents i"m looking at. how is the floor for water resistance? here in the pacific north west we get a lot of rain
Hi Chris - here in Scandinavia it rains a lot ☔️
The tent is 100% waterproof - and because it is roomy- it’s nice be in for a long time - sitting out a rainstorm 😊💧
41👍 Wow!
Today also a nice video.
Thanks for sharing it. Have a nice weekend.
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Helpful ♥
Thanks RezavejTank - you are welcome 💁
I have the UL2, very satisfied with it. Thanks for a good hack for stormy conditions. I will bring some extra paracord with me when I go up in the mountains. Cheers!
Hi Karl - thanks glad you liked the hack 💁
Very good tip 😊
Use regular cord. Paracord is like like bungee cord. You don’t want any stretch on the cord.
Real Vikings not nice weather only trekkers! 👊🏻. Lesson of this video; bring trekking poles and ear plugs! Might mean the difference between no sleep and some sleep! Keep on trekking and tx for sharing the video.
Hello B M
Thanks for your comment ☺️
I love your videos! This was great and a fantastic trick with the trekking poles. I’d be curious to know what type of tent or tent design other than mountaineering that would hold up better in winds like that. You have me second guessing my Tigerwall purchase.
Hello Hoser7 - thanks for the nice comment - maybe a tunnel tent could handle it better - congratulations with your Tigerwall tent 💁🏕
Everything from hilleberg will have no issue whatsoever.
Hilleberg are the Best but they are all over in America and Europe Șold out.
Another hint..remove Big Aggie guy lines. Attach a loop of shock cord to each tie out point. Reattach original guylines or better still add your own choice but longer...😉😁.reduces pressure on the flysheet
Hi Catherine thanks for the tip I will try it out 😃
Thanks for the clear video. I found it very useful!
Less of an issue shelling out the extra for the hilleberg again :)
A lot of reviews are from US sites and steer towards this tent.
Since we spent our time in Scandinavia I was not sure about it's strength.
Setting it up looked painful. I don't get why outdoorgearlab feels the anjan is more difficult to set up... Must be nice conditions there.
Have it collapse like that. That's not enjoyable to sleep.
Sorry for the late response - I really can recommend this tent - only problem is the weight - the stability is something I guess you have to accept in this weight category 🙂🏕
Thank you for this good video Hans. What i like on thevCopper Spur is the weight. But then it is over for me. Specially with this American tents to set up first the inner i find stupid. The only American tent producer that does that well is Tarptent. But my favorite is Hilleberg.
Hi Raymond - thanks for the comment, I am thinking about purchasing the Tarptent Stratospire Li - but it is very expensive 💁🏕
@@hanskirk-hiking9697 Al cuben fiber tents are expensive. Stratospire li get good reviews. am curious how you like a cuben fiber tent.
Ultralight and strong 💪🏻
He set that tent up like he’d done it before 😅….. well done! I have the same tent now and wondered how well it would hold up in wind. Looks like it’s decent in the wind for a 3 season tent. I don’t usually go in winter or late fall week o r early spring, so it should be solid enough for me. Very good video. Thank you.
Hi Kenny - it is a decent tent, but I don’t think it can handle a big snow load ☃️
Thanks for your comment
@@hanskirk-hiking9697 I would agree. If I migrate to colder late Fall, Winter type camping, I will get a only Hillerberg tent. Would you have a recommendation for a Hillerberg 2 man model ? Thank you! Kenny
Hi Kenny - my Swedish neighbors make nice tents, and they are excellent for strong winds - but they are heavy and you will experience lot of condensation, and they are very expensive. Maybe the Nallo - I ovn the Fjellraven Abisko Shape 3 it is cheaper and lighter.
@@hanskirk-hiking9697 Thank you. I wasn't aware that Fjellraven made tents ;-) and I just looked at that model and it's a 4 season too. I will probably get the 2 version, as I'll solo backpack sometimes. It's a great tent and lighter as you say than the Hillerberg models. Thanks so much !
Hi Kenny - you are welcome
I use Delta pegs on my tent, makes it solid as a rock.
Hi Rick thanks for the tip 😀
Good motorcycle tent...add a few lines and attach to bike , low down of course,. It'll take some wind to pull the bike down. Overkill in shuring up a tent is always preferably to chasing after one at 4 in the morning 😭
Hi Connor - thanks yes it will work on a motorcycle 💁 thanks for the comment 😊
I think this my choice over the hubba hubba. Thank you
Hi Kyra - you are welcome
Our Copper Spur HV UL3 tent laid down in the Wind River Valley of Wyoming even though we used a 2 1/2 foot rock wall that we tied to. We estimate the gusts were 70 MPH. Next time, I think we'd go with a different tent! If we found ourselves in high wind again in this tent again, we will definitely try your suggestion of using trekking poles and positioning the tent in profile in the wind.
Hi Daniel… 70 MPH that’s a lot - did the tent poles break? The Copper Spur ain’t cut out for these conditions 😊⛺️
@@hanskirk-hiking9697 No, everything survived and we stayed dry.
What’s not to like 👍🏻
Notable the tent didn't break when it is clearly a bit beyond conditions it was designed for. I have use the same technique on trekking pole tents to pull out a panel and get more interior space. Interesting to see it used structurally.
When I was taking it down I did break a tent pole - the wind took the inner tent - I grab on to a tent pole - my fault, not Big Agnes ⛺️😉
@@hanskirk-hiking9697 hate it when that sort of thing happens. Instant reaction...immediate regret :)
Yes - ha ha 💁
Just came across your page, lovely review, I'm thinking of purchasing this tent, but I am a little concerned with its strength, whether to go for a hilleberg or something similar, what would you recommend for all year camping in the UK. Great tips!
Hi Nigel - my first real tent was a Fjellraven - somehow like a Hilleberg tent - very good quality - but I never use it. There are issue with condensation and only one entrance.
The Hilleberg tents are heavy but very good quality - be sure to choose a tent with to entrances. About the strength - I am back from 8 days in the Norwegian mountains and the Copper Spur did just fine 💁🏕 Maybe you want to see that video - lot of shots of the tent.
@@hanskirk-hiking9697 Thank you for your reply Hans, I watched the storm test video and the one with your daughter and the tent did stand up especially after you used your walking poles as additional supports. Thanks again really enjoy watching your videos.
Thanks very much Nigel
Thanks for the tip. Had my UL2 collapse on me and have since added extra guy lines and sewn extra velcro loops higher up to help stabilise it (why Big Agnes didn't include them baffles me). My modifications have worked but I'll keep the pole tip in mind.
Hello Paul - sorry for the late response - I have been out hiking for 8 days - new video coming up! were did you add the extra guy lines?
@@hanskirk-hiking9697 Added 4 extra guy lines, one to each existing loop on the corners. I have a pic but not sure if I can share a link on here.
No pic 🙃 ok with the extra guy lines attachment - how much extra weight do you think you added - do you also carry extra tent pegs !💁
@@hanskirk-hiking9697 not sure of the weight, negligible compared to my peace of mind. I carry 2 extra pegs.
Hey, great Video Hans!
I´m thinking of buying the copper spur bikepack but the water-column is only 1200 mm, further a "2-season" tent. What is you guys experience with this? It´s a pricy tent for only being used when dry and warm...
Thanks for every answer!
Helle o Lukas - thanks very much - I would by the HV UL tent - it works and maybe a nice tent will tease you to spend more time in the great outdoors
Hey! Just got this tent and only slept in it once under good conditions. What wind speeds did you use this tent in? At what speed would you suggest to use the nice pole trick you showed in the video?
Hi Christoffer; it was around 10-12 m/s and some gusts of wind. I would always try to avoid windy locations - the pole trick will help stabilize the tent, and the noise from the fly in lighter wind conditions 💁🏕
Fin video! Tak 👍😃 Hvordan klarer teltet slagregn..? HH er jo ikke sååh stort igen..🤔
Tak Kim - det er helt tæt og der kommer ikke nogen stænk plask op på inder teltet - som også har et beskyttende materiale sådan 40 cm op fra jorden 💦☔️🏕💁
Tack Hans, intressant att se tältresning i storm 😊 Tycker du detta tältet är bättre än ditt Fjällräven? (Jag köpte ett Bergans Romsdal 2p nyss)
Hej Chlorophyll - tak - ja Copper Spur er bedst og lettest - der er rigtig god højde og meget plads 🏕😃
Tillykke med teltet - det ser fedt ud 🏕
Wonder why BA doesn’t use clips instead of Velcro to secure the rain fly to the poles? Seems that would be a much better choice (1) Fast, (2) Easy, (3) Clips don’t wear out as fast, (4) Equally stable. 🤷♂️
Yes Velcro sucks ⛺️🙂
Great video! Do you have any experience with the MSR Hubba Hubba, is it better in windy conditions?
Hi Tim - i have no experience with the Hubba Hubba tent - perhaps it is a little better 💁
@@hanskirk-hiking9697 Thanks man, I’m going for a Hubba Hubba due to concerns about windy weather and the denier of the ground cover 👍
Please let me know how it turns out 😊🏕
@@timatkins6693 how is the hubba hubbba?
An example of a three season tent in what in the UK we call the 5th season.
Yes ha ha 5th season, UK knows about inclement weather 😊
Wow! The wind didnt even look that strong! What would you estimate tge wind speed to be when it flattened the tent?
Hi Grizzly 🐻 15 meter per second
Hi Hans have you done a video on lightweight rucksack something suitable for through hiking in the Pyrenees, volume around 60l ?
Hi Nigel sorry for the late response - no videos of rug sacks- I use the Zpacks Arc Haul and I like it 😀
Fin video. Hvor meget blæser det ca?
Hej Jakob - tak, det blæste ca. 12 ms nogle gange kom der nogle kraftige vind stød 🌪💦💁
I am also from Denmark, and I am looking for a light tent. What is your experience with dew and condensation soaking into the nylon? I'm concerned it will sag when pitched, and be bulky and heavy when packed down early mornings while still wet? For that reason, I'm considering a Marmot Tungsten UL made from polyester, but that is a little bigger and heavier when dry... Would you recommend a nylon tent for hiking/camping in Denmark?
Hi Lasse - its a great tent and there are no problems with condensation compered to other tents - I can recommend this tent.
Maybe you should by the X-Mid from Durston... I have bought this tent my self - its made from polyester 💁😊
Hiking Hello from Norway :-) I notice in this video you state that the tent needs to be set up with the foot end (smaller end of the tent) that goes up against the wind. Is that the strongest point of the tent or is it the head end? Have you tried head end against the wind? Of course, with the foot end against the wind the storm flaps are facing the "correct" way and with the head end they are not so not always easy to know. It is try and fail I suppose. All the best and keep up the good work you are doing with the videos. BTW - It would be nice to meet you in Norway one time, how would one go about to get in touch with you?
Hi Norhiker - maybe it could be a good idea to but one of the sides up against the wind, and thanks for your positive response, you can find my e-mail in the description of the video 💁😊
@@hanskirk-hiking9697 Thanks Hans - ha en fin dag :-)
Exped Orion 3 UL should be a better option for that conditions. Very similar in space but much stronger
Hi Daniel hmm i don't know that tent - do you know the weight of the tent 💁🏕
@@hanskirk-hiking9697 yes, it weighs 2800 gr. I know, it’s one kg hevier than the copper spur, but much stronger and very similar air flow and roominess
That could be a interesting choice 🙂
The big agnes copper spur series of tents are not built to withstand sustained winds like that so it failing should not be a surprise.
I know, but you could end up I a windy situation as me and my wife did in Norway 🇳🇴
So living and hiking predominately on western and northern europe, would you recommend this tent? I'm looking at yellow label hillebergs and also this one. The price difference is insane but just wondering.
The Copper Spur is a great tent, but if you are planning to go for the mountains the Hilleberg would be better
Hi, do you reckon the Copper expedition would perform better in harsh weather conditions or is it probably not needed or worth the extra weight? Many thanks
Hi Pabs I have also considered buying the Expedition model of the Copper Spur, its the same construction but in heavier and more durable materials. In my opinion it will have the same benefits and also the same weakness. I ended up with the X-Mid 2 solid inner and it have solved the problem, no tentpoles bending in the wind and it repels snow better. Was my answer helpful ?
If this is not an aerodinamic shape wait to see the nemo. But good to know this is not so good either, i'm preparing for an icelandic bike trip and now i need to think of a plan on what to do in strong winds since i have no trekking poles
Hi Cristian - you can use a stick if you can find one on Iceland 🇮🇸
Took forever for me to refind this video because of the trekking pole trick. Consider making its own video?
Thanks - yes maybe it would be a good idea
Does this tent stay dry inside during a long hard rain?
Yes, it is completely waterproof ☔️🙂
As an afterthought did the tent poles survive ok?
Yes they survived the storm - but when i was taking the tent down - the wind got the tent - and I grabbed on to one of the tentpole - and I broke ha ha - user error 🏕😊
Doesn't the Copper Spur support "fly first"? It must be soaking wet by the time you were done.
Hi Gib it does but you have to use a ground sheet - the inner is not that wet
Is the Mutha Hub NX3 better in heavy winds?
Hi Michael - i don't know about the Hub NX3...
@@hanskirk-hiking9697 No worries. I'm in the process of finding a 3 person tent, so I was wondering what your opinion on the matter was... For the money, if you had to do it all over again, which models would you seriously consider?
I would by the Copper Spur in the new long version or take a look at the Duston X-mid trekking pole tent but it is difficult to get.
Would a curtain wall be a good thing?
Yes maybe
Does this tent have a bathtub floor?
Hello Gerad - yes it have 💁
how may miles(km) winds are. we talking about here.
Hello Eric Man - it was around 10-12 m/s and some gusts of wind 💁