Big Agnes Copper Spur HV UL1 Review | 1 Man Ultralight Backpacking Tent
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- Опубліковано 11 лип 2024
- Big Agnes Copper Spur HV UL1 Review | 1 Man Ultralight Backpacking Tent
This is an extensive review of the Big Agnes Copper Spur HV UL1, an 1 person ultralight tent.
Before making the review, we have been testing this lightweight backpacking tent in all sorts of conditions on many of our tours both hiking trips, canoeing, packrafting and dog sledding tours.
Feel free to share your experience with this ultralight tent or if you have tested any of the other Big Agnes tents or the Big Agnes Copper Spur HV UL2, UL3 or the UL4 in the comments.
Matti & Stina
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That’s a great review. In depth and clear. I like the tent, for its lightweight and ease of use, I have the bike packing version. I have not damaged it yet and I will be very careful with it in future. It’s £400’s worth here in U.K. now, so it isn’t a cheap tent. I must admit, that I do like the tent, I’m enjoying using it and I would recommend it to others. I wouldn’t use it in a hard weather, mountain environment, but I didn’t buy it for that. For bikepacking, 3 season in U.K., it;s a beaut! I think!
I bought one in 2018 and used it on a 66 day solo kayak trip. Have close to 200 nights in it now, May 2023. Am prepping it for an extended 5 month kayak trip. It has withstood torrential rain/thunder storms, wind, ants....the gamut. I have a few thoughts about them and some advice.
The elastic cord that holds the pole system together is, apparently, made of an overcooked pasta like substance that will lose its elasticity almost immediately. Best thing to do is just go ahead and replace it all before you head out with some higher quality bungee cord.
Back in the '60s when I started using tents it was normal that when you bought a new tent you also bought some seam seal, if you did not already have some. You set up the tent and sealed all the seams on the rainfly and the floor of the tent. Now they put some sort of plastic tape on the inside of the seams and expect that keep the water out. It does, for a bit. You are far better off buying some seam seal and treating all your seams. That seam tape quickly flakes off and does not do it's intended job. Once a year just set up your tent and treat the fly with a waterproofing and UV protectant.
Big Agnes sees fit to use a proprietary size poles and zippers on its tents. This is not good when you are way out beyond Arsebite Falls, damned near to Bumfield, and you experience a failure. I replaced the zipper in mine. I'm somewhat handy with a sewing machine. One of the poles spit at the hub connection. A splint and some JB Weld did the trick. It's still going strong. I have tried to find a replacement pole segment but had no luck. Never got an answer back from Big Agnes so I'll figure out something else if needs be.
Otherwise, it's a great tent. I have others but I always come back to this one. Just be aware.
Thanks for lots of good advice!!! You are not only good with the sewing machine. You are also a good writer! 😀
One question... What kind of stuff was you preparing the flyer with? I got the seamseling thing but the UV/waterproofing stuff? Is that a kind of normal spray or?
Thanks for very good input.
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/Matti in Jokkmokk
I really like your real world reviews. Saying exactly what you think and experience. Thank you!
It's so refreshing to see honest, no agenda, reviews. As always, i love your reviews, i've been interessted to test something else then Hilleberg, but especially when theres risk for strong wind or heavybrain i end up with Hilleberg, they are strong and tested, and because of they are honest with weight specs many think they are heavy. Of cource there are lighter choises out there, for ex. Dyneema tents, when used in summer or in forest, they can be a lightweight choice.
Amazingly honest review and covered so many things I consider but aren't usually included in UA-cam reviews.
I look forward to your new tent and videos, youve earnt a subscriber 😁
Thanks and welcome!
We are right now in our high season for guided dogsled tours and sadly don't have time to produce all the videos we want to do. We still try to make one videos every second week... but in May we will be back in full swing again. 😀
/Matti
Very honest and detailed explanation, thank you !
Most detailed review of Copper Spur HV UL1 I`ve ever seen, thank you!
Thanks!!!
I'm happy that you had some use of this video.
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/Matti
That was an excellent review. Thank you very much! :-) Mine arrived yesterday and I had many of the same thoughts, but I like your explanations. :-)
A very balanced review. I’ve got one of these tents but will look at Hilleberg in the future.
Very helpful review, thank you!
Tack för en bra och ärlig recension 🙏
Appreciate your in-depth review of the tent. Thanks heaps
Thanks!
We will try to make more of this kind of videos.
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/Matti
Great review, well shot. Loved it, Si
Thanks! Nice that you liked it!
/Mqtti
I respect your views on gear. Thanks Matt!
Thank you!
Thank you *so much* for zooming in at 4:34 and other key parts! So many tent reviewers just set the camera 10' away and you can't see a thing haha
Thanks for seeing the details!!!
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/Matti
Thanks for the great review, I also have one, the older version with the rainbow door. Thanks again
Thanks!
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/Matti
Nice review, thank you.
Thanks for the great review!
That makes us happy that you probably have some use for this video.
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/Matti
I live in America and follow gear quite closely. First question you had was the crossbar go on top or underneath. Big Agnes puts it on top when they set their tents up. The other question is the weight. Here in the U.S. people get in fist fights over saving a gram. What the tent makers do is give a confusing list of weights. Then they won't give you all the stakes to drop the weight down. The weight you want to look at is the one that shows the most weight and that is closer to reality. The other weights are taking various parts of the tent out and leaving them behind. The term roomy is the correct word. The HV stands for High Volume which means the walls are more straight and don't lean as much. They also increased the head room a little. In effect more roomy.
I have had a Nemo Dragonfly and now own this version ( this is like the 3rd upgrade since they put these on the market). I'd rather have my Dragonfly. The door design on the Dragonfly and tie points to hold it open are awful. The catmouthed the tarp so much that you had to center your self more because the floor wrapped up higher which doesn't breath and builds moisture on the walls. The tent weighed more (a few grams) what you got is thicker cloth. Which meant no ground sheet to carry around. It had a light diffuser which means your head lamp get be turned on slide it into the mesh pocket and it would diffuse the light and light up the whole tent. Basically lay out, sizing, and pockets are similar to both tents. Handling moisture is about the same. Dragonfly has been changed so I don't know about the new one. Copper spur has an actual door you can use. The fabric is so thin which means I have to have a ground sheet which makes it as heavy as the dragonfly. No light diffuser a real bummer. The fabric just feels strange and scary thin.
Dac is a Korean Co. that figured out how to make tent poles really lite and still get much service out of them. Most mainstream tent makers use them. Hilleberg uses them also.
I would like to see a review on your Seek Outside pack. I want to know if you still love it or not. I like your brutally honest reviews. Your opinion matters because you use this equipment.
Thanks!
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Yes... I love my Seek Outside backpack!!! Its a really good one for the way I'm using the equipment.
/Matti
Great review Matti! I've been looking towards that tent many times but unfortunately it's too small for me. Great to hear about its plus and minuses! Keep up the good work!
Thanks!
We will continue to make videos.
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/Matti
Another great video,thanks👍👍🇬🇧🇬🇧
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Hi Matti! Thanks for another interesting and detailed review, I really appreciate to hear your thoughts as always. I bought the three person bike pack version (shorter sticks in the poles - Copper Spur HV UL3 Bikepack) this summer and I agree with a lot of your comments on it. I laughed a bit at your reaction to the non elastic door straps as I had the exact same reaction myself when I realized the same thing on my tent! 😁 I only use the tent when I can pitch it in dry weather because of the separated inner and fly sheet, for bad weather I choose a Hilleberg instead. Otherwise I really like the tent as well, far from at durable as a Hilleberg of course but that was expected. I have also bought the footprint just to protect the thin floor. One thing I've noticed is that I experience the floor to be way more slippery than on Hilleberg, resulting is that the sleeping pad tends to shift around more during the night and it makes it even more so if the tent is pitched on a spot that is not level. Have you noticed something similar? A also found a lot of condensation on the fly sheet in the morning after a late summer night just next to a big lake, but I guess the damp air from the lake was the reason for it. Keep up the good work, love to follow your videos! Mvh Martin
Thanks for a long and lovely comment! I always have been thinking about the different between the bike pack and the normal hiking pack. I didn't know that thing about the pole.
It's nice to hear that I'm not the only one who react at the non-elastic strings etc.
The floor... I don't know if it's slippery. Maybe because my solo tent is to way narrow to be able to give me space enough to slide around. It could of course also be an effect of the combination of what sleeping pad you/me use. It's also easier to find a flat spot for a solo tent than it's to find a flat spot for your 3p tent.
I'm little bit interested to get one of the 2p tents from Big Agnes. That's a lot of space/kilogram in your backpack. 😀
/Matti
Wonderful honest pragmatism. Thanks Matti
Thanks!
Know one could buy my soul with money. I always want to be honest!
/Matti
Thanks for the review. I have the tent and would agree with your review. I love using it because though it is narrow, it is long and high so feels spacious to me. The only major issue for me is wanting it to be better in wind. If it had two more guys it would be, and I would sleep better in 60km/h gusts!
Thanks for feedback and I agree... Maybe it's possible to add some extra guy lines?
/Matti
Thanks a lot, this was helpful!!
Nice to hear it helped you! /Stina & Matti
8:39 That goes for me too! I have Akto, Rogen and Namjat3. This tent is really superb!
Hilleberg makes good tents!
:-)
/Matti
I think this is a great example of some tents are better for a certain location than another. For example I live in the US state next to where this one is designed. Sometimes it goes months without raining where I am at. I usually put up the inner tent, if I use a double wall, and I clip in the fly at the ends in case it starts to rain (it almost never does). It is also so hot, even in the mountains in the summer, that a lot of mesh and a fly that does not go all of the way to the ground is very necessary for heat and condensation control. I very much agree with you that the zippers are not robust enough and the weight that they state is an absolute lie. As far as the floor goes I always use a footprint. The sandstone I often camp on would tear even a Hilleberg floor up (yes I own one). All of that being said this is an great review and you make excellent points. As you say at the end of the review if you only owned one tent for the rest of your life it would be a Hilleberg and I agree! Fortunately some of us have the luxury of owning different tents for different locations and occasions. I have never tried this particular model so thank you for the review.
I really like the Big Agnes and you are totally right with different climate. There's very different needs only between different seasons in our area.
/Matti
Amazing, but I would go with UL2 ''2-person'' little roomier. Thank you for the Gr8 review, Matt! :)
Riktigt bra review! Många reviews man tittar på har precis köpt produkten dom visar men inte ni! Ni använder sakerna och håller de för er håller de för dom flesta!! Tältet ser riktigt fint ut! De hade vart kul att se en side by side video på detta och hilleberg Enan, en liten jämförelse😃👍 tack för videon! Ha de gött/Johan Gärtner
Tack!
Jag tror också på sådana reviews där man jämför två likvärdiga tält.
Enan är iof en vinnare... så det är nog inte helt rättvist.
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/Matti
@@JOKKMOKKGUIDERNA sant, men är det en vinnare för alla? Ja tänker de flesta kanske inte är ute mer än max 10dagar per år. Det kan va kul att se va man får och inte får om man betalar dubbelt. Du har ju ändå testat båda ordentligt😀👍 kanske niak är en bättre kandidat egentligen? Med tanke på konstruktion..
//Johan
Great review!!
That makes us happy that you like this and hopefully ger some useful information from this.
Thanks.
/Matti
Thumbs up. I thought about the Six Moons Design Lunar Solo with carbon pole 49 inch.
I have no experience from this tents but lots of people like them. They are probably very good. /Matti
I got a good chuckle at how much the toggles annoy you. I don’t find them too difficult but I agree that elastic material on the toggle would be nice.
I've read all the replies B4 composing the following:
This tent is quite popular here in America & enjoys an overall "favorable" consensus. I've personally never touched this tent or crawled inside it.
There are numerous "Reviews" of this Copper Spur tent on youtube.
I briefly owned an REI Quarter Dome SL1 & found it time-consuming to pitch + the pole structure flutter in strong gusty winds like a sail so I got rid of it on eBay. I replaced it with a Dark Green Hilleberg Enan which will likely outlast MEeee. My Enan provides me shelter from rain, snow, & strong gusty winds + it's easy peasy to pitch.
Warm Regards from Reno, Nevada U.S.A.
I know... Hillenerg don't make tents... they make homes for really hard weather.
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/Matti
+1 for the Enan
The mesh screen in the vent is necessary to provide structural integrity to the rainfly section beneath the opening not to keep insects out. It also captures some moisture. They could have used a nylon fabric strap instead.
Great review as always! Not reading comments, so don’t know if it has been asked. A comparison or a review of Fjallraven tents would be nice. Happy user of Abisko lite 1 and 2 and a Abisko View 2. Your comment about the pole system a lot of the USA made tents use is true. I’ve a MSR Hubba tour 2 with the same pole system and I don’t like it much. The height you get is nice, but even the 2 person version is feeling cramped as it is narrow. I’m 1,86m tall and just fit in it. My Abisko View 2 feels a lot nicer inside and feels less cramped.
Keep up the nice vids, your way of explaining always makes me smile.
Hahaa... Thanks!
I will continue speaking Swenglisch... 😉
I have checked Fjällräven but they are almost the same price as Hilleberg and not ultralight... that's why I had avoid them.
I will check again!
/Matti
@@JOKKMOKKGUIDERNA Thanks for the reply. It’s not the Swenglish, but the candid wording of your conclusions about the gear. Most of them match my own conclusions about the gear I do have, so I know I can trust your recommendations.
Fjallraven is interesting because they make almost the same quality claims about their tents as Hilleberg for a slightly lower price. They should last if you take some care. If you use one for a season on tours, it should give us a nice honest review ;)
Very intelligent review.
Thanks!
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/Matti
Nice honest review with validated experience. I own an MSR HUBBA HUBBA, regarding the mid section pole, i guess we all have the same attitude « i never know if it’s on top or below the main pole » 😂 i tried both, it seems when it’s on top, it gives more tension to the sides so it doesn’t sag on you when you sleep.
Thanks for the video
Thanks!!!
Maybe they put that pole on the top like that just to confuse the users?
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/Matti
I have checked the MSR web page. Somewhere the say it must be on top. I would say logically that also should be stronger. I also own the Hubba Hubba.
@@MrRicheme Is the Hubba Hubba fabric sturdy or delicate like with this tent?
Awesome video, just ordered one for backpacking. Current tenthaven tent is taking up too much room for me atm. Wish you would have shown putting up lights on it, but other than that all the information I was looking for.
Thanks!
I hope you will have lots of good times with your new tent. 😀
/Matti
Nice review. Clearly there are some big differences between the base of quality and funktion between the american market and the scandinavian. I would love to see the two markets emerge and create something wonderful ❤️
Thanks!
There would be super interesting with a combination of Big Agnes and Hilleberg... but maybe not possible.
/Matti
I like the grumpy, almost rude presentation. Great review.
Hahahaaa… Thanks! I try to be 100% honest and then I speak Swenglish because my English is not really perfect.
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Thanks anyway and I hope you got some god info about the tent.
:-)
/Matti
@@JOKKMOKKGUIDERNA You have better English than many native English speakers. I watched a few reviews of this tent and this was the most informative. I've used an Akto when hillwalking for years but it doesn't fit in my bikepacking bags very well. I ordered the bikepacking version of the Copper Spur after weighing up all your insights so thanks and keep up the good work.
Good review Matti. That's not a tent I think I should choose. Personally, I prefer the classic models tested for the Nordic climate. Sure, there are things that you sometimes wish would be different on them too, but that the tent is easy to set up in a little worse weather and you know that it lasts when the weather is tough is worth the extra weight you have to pay.
I agree.
A tent that you will be able to pitch in bad weather is the only tent you wish you have when it's bad weather.
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/Matti
Best tent Ive ever use here in Sweden are the Tarptent Notch Li dubble wall 600g tent, uses trecking poles for set up. Don’t let this video make you don't want to try ultralight geer. I have 2 black lable Hillebergs tents aswell and would never recommend them again if you aren't going to antartica or something, to heavy and unnecessary here in Sweden. 90% of people carry to heavy tents with abilitys they will never use.
My Tarptent Notch Li have a better hydro value then my hillebergs tents beacause they are an dyneema tent. Dyneema are better the nylon, awesome materials. And its as easy to setup as "swedish tents" if not more easy to set up. 1-2 minuter setup max. Setup in rain, no problem at all, super smart system.
Reckomend you check it out 😊🤟🏻
My favourite 1 man tent, that I've never seen reviewed, is the Macpac Microlight from New Zealand.
Is the Macpak a god tent?
I also like my Big Agnes!
/Matti
Hi! I just received today my tent! So exited. I have a floor as well and feeling little bit confused. I know you don’t have floorsheet on video but maybe you can suggest something. I’m not sure what set up first. I though stretch floor in 4 directions, then put poles in the holes etc. So what for are ropes in every corner on main tent? Greetings, Tom
Bra recension, hoppas på fler tält-recension :) En sak du säger att verkligen ta med sig: tältet ska inte stå för värme. Det skyddar mot yttre påverkan men inget annat. Ser ibland folk fråga efter varma tält nämligen, dålig idé i mitt tycke
Heeelt enig!
/Matti
Thanks again for the review, just got mine in the mail yesterday. Put it on the scale and it was just over 38.05oz.
Do you have the ground sheet in the bag? That is not included in the weights on the website. Thanks
very good video, here is a sacrifice to the algorithm gods of youtube.
Looks like a perfect light summer bike tent for Ireland. Unless there is an alternative.. will watch more of your reviews
It's a very cosy tent. I don't like to pitch it while it's raining. Isn't Ireland raining every day more or less?
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/Matti
It is raining a lot in winter 😂 but not so much in summer. But I guess u bought this for the weight saving which is what I’m hoping for too. It was either this or Mutha Hubba which is the same setting up format
Can recommend the Tarptent Notch Li or Tarptent Stratospire Li. Best tents Ive used. The North Li is a 1 person dubble wall tent that weighs 600grams. Dyneema tents. workes great in swedish weather. Used it in swedish snowy winter aswell. No problem. The youtuber Erik Normark has the nylon version of that tent aswell. He has made a couple of videos when he uses that tent in all weathers (winter aswell).
It handles everything (condensation aswell) better then my Hilleberg Nammatj or Keron. Has a better hydro value then them aswell because of the Dyneema material.
90% of Swedes carry to Heavyweight tent. Its unnecessary. There are bad heavy and lightweight tents, but that does not mean that all of them are bad or don't have a purpose.
Continue trying more light gear, it will be good for you 😊👍🏻
For me, going Ultralight was the best thing ive done. Im a Heavyweight militairy guy that always was thinking in terms of to mutch Heavyweight perspectives without actually analysing the purpose. Thats changes the last years thou.
Thanks!
I have seen this tents and now I think that I have to get one... 😉
Millitary situations is different... You should stay out for loooong period and maybe behind the enemy lines without support. Then you don't want a pair of pants that's suddenly totally destroyed.
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/Matti
Hej Matti - rigtig god og grundig video, jeg overvejer at købe dette telt, jeg har den gamle model i 2 persons udgaven og jeg har også 3 persons teltet i den nye version. Ja jeg er stor fan af Big Agnes telte. De er begge lidt for tunge til ture hvor jeg er alene afsted. Hvor meget plads er der tilbage i inderteltet når man bruger et liggeunderlag i size large og er der nogle problemer med højden (højden bliver mindre i deres 1 persons udgave)
Nice again to hear from you pros. Would be nice to hear wat you think of MSR Hubba hubba. God jul 👍🏼
I have been looking at MSR tent but mostly at MSR Hubba Tour and everybody was saying that it's raining in to it...
/Matti
Thank you for this video! Russia is here. I hike solo, film videos and consider to buy exactly this tent for my future hike in Yakutiya (Russia) in Sunter-Hayata mountain area next year (2022, Summer, of course :-) ). But after your very detailed review I understand I am in doubt. Probably this option will not suite for my 10 days solo mountain hike with the followed 4-6 days rafting. Anyway thank you. This video is one of the detailed review I have ever seen about this tent, honestly. One of the negative point of your video is I still haven`t any understanding which of the equipment I should purchase for my future trip in Yakutiya ( :-) ).
Thanks very much!
Check one of the review of Hilleberg Enan at our channel. Thats a very strong tent if you compare with weight. If you want an even stronger check the review of Hilleberg Akto or Soulo... but they will be more heavy...
/Matti
@@JOKKMOKKGUIDERNA Great, thanks! I have already purchased one from one of the local brands - SPLAV: same weight, external tent, 4 seasons, internal tent isn't made by mesh - so it is wind proof. But the price is 6 times lower rather than Hilleberg. I still am the fun of Hilleberg tents, it's really, I am. However I think I would never rich the natural conditions in my solo trips while I will meet these Hilleberg`s advantages. Hilleberg`s production is too expensive in Russia due to EUR / RUB exchange rate.
I was going to say the same thing Matti, has already said. Yes, I own the Dark Green Enan. Yes, I've also read your reply to Matti. Thank you for mentioning that you're in Russia.
Warm Regards from Reno, Nevada U.S.A.
@@azclaimjumper Thank you for your answer. I see Enan has 1.2 kg weight, that's very cool. However it is not selfstanding. I plan to check my new local brand SPLAV tent this november. And maybe I will have a look more closer to Enan.
@@alexdan- At this time, most Hilleberg tents must be back-ordered & the wait time is a good 9-months. Perhaps you'll get lucky & someone will offer to sell theirs on eBay, however from what I've seen Hilleberg tents are selling for full retail or higher prices on eBay, which says something.
I loved your review and it’s helped immensely to find my next tent also you are a lot like toby Jones which I find brilliant in its own right👍
That's nice that this video give something to you.
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I don't know Toby Jones...
/Matti
@@JOKKMOKKGUIDERNA look him up he’s a great actor,personality I like him in the Detectorists a old tv series
I replaced the toggle loops with elastic.
I put a zipper in the mesh of the ventilation opening. first sew a zipper in a piece of tyvek or silnylon and sew this zipper placket onto the mesh. Once it is sewn in cut out the mesh covered by the fabric. The tent construction stays intact and you can open and close the vent from the inside.
Veeery goooood ideas!
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/Matti
Have you tried to connect the fly to the cross bar when you do the fast fly/rain setup? I ask because it does seem like the fly could rip in wind, unless you connect the cross bar first, then clip into the footprint. Unless of course you think hooking into the loops, would allow it to blow away in the wind.
Hi Matti! Which tent would you pick if you could just pick one roomy tent for 2 ppl and 2 big dogs of the Hilleberg tents, all year around use more use around the spring ,fall and winter use? With buying the extra inner meshtent too. Curious then on which one you would pick for hiking backpacking. Thank you for the great videos you and Stina share with us🙂
That’s a super good question and maybe a video in th future…
Nallo GT is a great tent!!! Very good all around the year!
Nallo 3GT I would say is the best for what you ask for.
If you just stay in low land /forest I would say that Annan GT is great but with less good ventilation.
What is your favourite?
/Matti
Bra video, har funderar ett tag på en 2p eller 3p variant. Så man får se vad tomten kommer med. Vore intressant med en test av liggunderlag och sovsäck till rimligt pris
Mvh Hubert
Jag har filmideer och samlad info om sovsäckar. Där har jag några filmer på G. Liggunderlag... Lätt, prisvärt, slitstarkt... Här har vi en nöt att knäcka!
/Matti
Good review. Yes that top pole should be on the top. If you put it under it will weaken the tent especially in winds. Msr (hubba hubba nx *) have copied most of that design including the pole setup. I had my MSR * in 50mph recently and it survived. It feels flimsy but I added one of those double sided reflective mats and hopefully the floor will last longer. The msr is in the £500 price range too.
Thanks!
I think about testing a MSR also. They makes really good stoves at least!
/Matti
@@JOKKMOKKGUIDERNA The msr hubba hubba nx is a 3 season, 2 man tent with annoying vents on the outside 😭 (I think it is a roomy 1 man tent) and weighs 1.75 kilos and uses dac poles which are stronger than aluminium.
lI liked your review of the Ultralight Big Agnes tent. I am in the market for a one or two person tent and have enjoyed your reviews of the Helleberg tents. It's the Helleberg 2 person tent for me, but I have not decided on which tent will work best? Keep the review coming. Big AL
I have reviews of Nallo and Anjan in the pipeline. 😀
/Matti
@@JOKKMOKKGUIDERNA sounds good!
Wondering how would the fast-fly setup (the floor and outer layer) behave in heavier rain, it seems to be quite high above the ground, so question is if the water would splash inside, on the floor and on a down sleeping bag. Have you ever used it like that?
Thank you for sharing your experience! Today I got the BA Solo Trail SL 1 and love the space, golden colour and light weight. BUT the tent floor is quite loose and flatters. It seems your tent doesn't. I'm not shure if I should sell my (never used) Soulo and go for BA. Because you can use the BA in hot and cold weather. Many greetings🌏
HB Soulo is a great tent but heavy...
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@@JOKKMOKKGUIDERNA Yes it is! So I keep both tents. 😊
Is the net of the inner tent tight enough to keep out the small stinging animals in Scandinavia or Great Britain?
Liked and subscribed. Crystal clear review (as usual), thumbs up for the job and the time you spend doing this, not easy. You often mention Hilleberg... No doubt, Hilleberg tents are bombs proof, tents that will last for years, outstanding quality, to make it short: probably the most reliable tents on the market. Now allow me to keep it clear, the perfect tent doesn't exist. The first questions we should ask ourselves is: what kind of hiker am I? What am I looking for? What's my priority? From there we should be able to make a choice, three seasons tent or four seasons tent. My experience: I've got this exact same Big Agnes tent, the moment I unpacked it for the first time I thought: 'this is a mess, this fabric is just way too light...' (compare to the bombproof tent I had in the past). Well you know what? This tent is a relief, it's soo light that I barely notice its weight on my back (even if the fabric is soaking wet), it handles torrential rains perfectly, it dries in a minute, plenty of space and excellent ventilation (this tent is made to breath, it acts as a dryer in pouring rain). Now this tent has become my main tent, honestly I used it all the year and so far so good even in Scotland.... "wait,...in Scotland?" Don't get me wrong, I live in belgium so I've an idea of what bad weather means however, I've made many trails in Scotland (I LOVE THIS COUNTRY!!!) and... YES, this country is just unpredictable, a place like no other, from fair weather to the hell. Scotland can be roughness itself (and if it's wasn't enough wait... now come the midges...). So I'm clever enough and responsible to pitch this tent on a quiet (sheltered) spot, ok. If I wanted to enjoy a night while being bumped on the top of the hill completely exposed in Scotland... THIS IS DEFENETELY NOT the tent I would use, THIS IS WHEN HILLEBERG COMES IN, an extremely well made FOUR seasons tent. Back to your review, I understand you look for a 'reference' to compare with but in that case it might be preferable to find a 'reference' in the same category. But again, it's not easy and you make an incredibly good job, very well detailed reviews. Thumbs up :)
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I totally agree... It's important to start with asken how do I want to use my tent.
When you compare tents you could compare tents with the same price, the same space or maybe the same weight.
I also like my Copper Spur and actually thinking about getting one Tigerwall... or another light solo tent from Big Agnes.
What do you think? Copper Spur vs Tigerwall?
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@@JOKKMOKKGUIDERNA Copper Spur vs Tigerwall... I have no clue, I don't know the tigerwall. I went for the Copper spur basically because I knew someone reliable who used (and still use) the copper spur while backpacking, he lives in Sueden...(harsh weather as well), the tent was in stock at the shop hear in Brussels and I could "touch and see" the fabric. As I mentioned previously, I was not confident at all about the fabric but is seems to be stronger than it looks. I guess they use the same material for the Tigerwall, so I suppose that it's just a matter of shape... As you explain in the video and I agree 100% with you, the floor... ultralight tent, ok but... the floor... I just don't understand how at Big Agnes they can believe that this so tiny floor fabric will handle a single twig or stone... it's exactly that part of the then that suffer the most. Unbelievable. I took a piece of "bubble plastic" that I cut on the floor shape of the tent. I made this twice and sew the two layers all together. It cost me almost nothing, almost no weight, it protects the floor and maybe provide some insulation (bubbles) from the ground. I also use it to sit down while resting on the trail.
I have Copper Spur 2 .. I bought it for summer use in the UK. Love the tent. Good points- lightweight, 2 doors, big pockets inside, spacious. The only problem is that if a pole breaks you need to order replacement from the US. The poles and material feel and look fragile, but if you take good care they are ok. After all it is a lightweight and not too expensive tent.
For winter use I have got a Hilleberg.
That sounds like good solution with Hilleberg during the winter.
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For a just a few extra ounces the UL2 is the best even for one individual -- very spacious for both you and your gear. How can you beat the double doors and the double vestibules?
Agreed. I first bought the UL1 but returned it because I wanted more space. I love my UL2 person tent. It has remained waterproof and standing through severe thunderstorms and high wind gusts. It’s a great 3 season tent.
The Big Agnes website includes an instruction to "Attach all Velcro® tabs on the underside of the fly to the corresponding pole sections for best stability" when putting on the rain fly. I dont think I saw you do that. Is the velcro attachment unnecessary? Do you just attach grommets to the poles and stake down the fly? Also what shoes and pants do you have?
How is condensation in this tent in fair weather? Truly a great review btw,a lot of insights.
In fair weather with a weak wind it's not a lot of condensation.
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Pause: great picture! You may have listed it, but just curiouse: what camera did you use? That shot of the canopy & the wind...great color & definition.
I have the same 1P tent. I must decide to keep it or get something else?
Sony A7iii and in this video a Tamron 28-75/2,8. Today I use the Sony 24-105/4 and that gives even better colours. 😀
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@@JOKKMOKKGUIDERNA awesome! Thx! Happy Trails out there!
I have a copper spur ul1 from 2013, the rain fly and floor of the inner tent has held up well, but the mosquito net is sensitive for the ceiling of the inner tent, it’s now patched and the tent still protects me.
I luckily never had any problem with the mosquito net. It's always good with some pieces of tape in the backpack to repair small holes directly.
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Hi Matti, I am planning to buy this copper spur tent and will use a floor mat for sure. On the other hand, what ultralight 40L backpack do you recommend for someone under 170 cm tall for multi-day hike ? Thanks !
Backpacks...
40l is a small one. I'm super happy with my seek outside that's 70l.
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@@JOKKMOKKGUIDERNA do you have a specific brand in mind ?
Ha ha first time I heard someone saying it’s ok with a thumbs down. You and most of your viewers would most likely start crying when you see my tent. Not free standing, just one layer of fabric and almost 2 kg. Weight a quality weren’t the most important because I don’t have to carry it, price was so it’s one of the cheapest I could find. Biggest problem camping in Sweden is that there are rocks everywhere. Last summer I camped on a place that was so full of rocks that I had to put a rock in each corner and rocks on the lines to be able to raise the tent 😆.
Hahaaaaa...
If you study the algorithm it seems like thumbs down videos create mor comments and more frustration and then people look through the whole video.
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Your tent sounds like something from beginning of 1900...
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I also sometimes use heavy canvas tents. That's something special with old style.
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How is the tent during strong winds? Do you feel safe in it during wind up to 18 m/s ? Would you recommend this tent for summer use up in the mountains?
The fabric seem so thin, but yet it got velcro on the rain fly so it can be attatchet to the poles. Which usually mean it has good tear strenght.
I have used this tent only a few times in heavy wind. When (or if) you could pitch it without breaking it its really silent during storms. I trust it very well when it's up. Of course it's not the same thing as an Hilleberg but it's definitely stronger than I expected.
But... the problem is to put it up in heavy winds if you are alone. You need to practise. I'm super used with Hilleberg tunnel tents and they are really easy to put up even during storms.
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Great review! I’m new to this and had my first experience in a single man tent the past 2 days. Do you know what the most comfortable, most spacious, most compact when packed for backpacking, most light weight, most weather resistant single man tent is for a 6 foot man is? I know that’s very detailed 😂. Thank you in advance 👍
I’ve always wondered what would happen if one of the pole connections snapped while you are half way through a trip. They look rather fragile. Does Big Agnes provide a repair kit?
Yes... it's like a small tube that you can put over the boken part. You also need some tape.
Actually this kind of system, when the pole isn't in a fabric channel... when the tent is just hanging on the poles, it should be easy to repair any way. You could easily put small pieces of wood sticks and som tape to repair the broken pole.
The pole is not super fragile. It's very similar to Hilleberg. As long as you avoid stepping on the poles they will probably not breakdown.
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I like your practical solutions like for example the door storage. :-)
Your opinion about the ventilation I do trust knowing you now a little. :-)
But about that thin material: I don’t agree so much with nearly all reviewers and with you too!
Why:
The thin floor and with this hole in your tent: this is not a coincidence at all, it makes everything wet with a good rain and wrong placement and is proof of to thin so bad quality use of material.
You need really good tape with you to repair this and yes everything can be repaired in the end with all kind of materials but do you have them with you at the time you need it?
Let alone in the middle of this occasion, middle of the night?
Would you like to sleep in this when in a lightning storm?
I don’t think so.
For me a tent is a safety house too you can really need.
The part you mustn’t spare/safe to much kilo’s.
And it is mostly about just some 200-800 grams difference in reality and quality of course.
You safe on safety too.
So I don’t think so that this is really a good tent, just good enough for most friendly tourist places.
Good enough for those who can effort to gamble about the weather.
Good enough if you can find a very sheltered place to put up your tent.
But for the rest….
I can go on but a tent is an important part of gear for most, I know you can live under tarps: but those are far often a lot more professional and safe if you know how to use them.
….I beginning to liking your reviews many more! :-)
Just kidding again. :-) hihi.
Friendly greetings again and keep going on with your reviews as a professional tent user and so expert.
Onno Nugteren from the Netherlands.
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You have lots of good points! If I go to Sarek, high alpine tours alone... I would probably take another tent. If I have the possibility to camp where it's a little bit shelter, this is good enough.
To the tape... There exists a green and ugly tape that we use for packraft boats, and it's strong enough. It's super cheap. 20 dollars for 50 or 100 meters. It's a huge roll. Carpenters use it when they tape the condensation things in the walls of a house. I don't remember the name...
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Greetings again back. :-) If you remember the name of the tape.... could you give it to us all? :-)
I don't quite get your comment on the mosquito net with the ventilation where mosquitos can come in from the bottom; I would think not right? Since the inner tent is basically a mosquito net in itself? I'm thinking of getting this for Scotland and midge protection is a must!
Also loved the review!!
Why have mosquito net on the ventilation at the flyer when mosquito can fly between the flyer and the ground.
The inner tent is mosquito proof.
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Interesting perspective with a European reviewing an American tent.
What are your thoughts on nordisk telemark tents?.
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I have seen Nordisk and they looks nice... but I have never tried one so I don't know. Maybe in the future.
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Hej! Jag undrar lite hur det funkar om man bara använder innertältet? Har läst om folk som ligger och tittar på stjärnorna som inte använder yttertältet. Mem blir man inte blöt av daggen då? Har du testat? Mvh Anne
Jag har inte testat med detta tält men bott under tarp ibland. Det är ganska lika. Jo...om det är dagg så blir man nog fuktig. ...men vi har nog mindre dag generellt här i norr.
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Hej! just nu är jag din nyaste prenumerant :) Har du några tankar om Durston gears x-mid tält? Jag funderar på det till sommar och tidig höst i svenska fjällen men de reviews jag har sett jämför med typ big agnes och inte hilleberg så jag vet inte hur mycket de är värda. Jag vill inte blåsa bort och min än så länge begränsade erfarenhet av fjällen är att det alltid regnar och blåser så jag vågar inte köpa än. Tack för många bra videor! /Linnea
Välkommen!
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Jag har aldrig hört om det tältet förut... Ska kolla upp sen. Hilleberg är bra. Du kanske kan hitta ett begagnat Nallo 2. Där borde du få mycket tält per satsade krona...
Svenska fjäll kan vara regniga... det är min erfarenhet också efter många år... 😀 så du är inte så tokigt ute.
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Appropå tält... kom ihåg att även enklare tält idag är bättre än vad man hade förr... 😉
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@@JOKKMOKKGUIDERNA tack det ska jag undersöka! X-mid är lite blandning av nordiska och amerikanska tält. Det kan sättas upp med innertältet fastsatt men vikten inkluderar inte vandringsstavarna. Och det är inte så dyrt om en lyckas köpa det 😆 /Linnea
Okay so the Akto is just around 500 gram more and is way more robuust and spacious? No thank you to this tent! It would proably feel lake paper when you feel the material. And Hilleberg tent material is feels like concrete in comparison. I have used the Akto on a 48 day hiking trip beside a leak and some loose thread (what Hilleberg is fixing right now) what a great tent!
I also love Hillebeeg but it's sometimes interesting to test other models. Have you tried Enan? I prefer Enan before Akto today because of the weight.
This Big Agnes is very nice and roomy inside. Super nice pockets and gear loft. I like some of the details very much but as you write. Hilleberg is bomb proof...
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@@JOKKMOKKGUIDERNA I chose the Akto because I find it one of the most well balanced tent of Hilleberg. It is very strong and light. And to spent another 770 euro on a tent while I basically already have the same one, is not a good choice.
To MEeee, the biggest difference between Hilleberg tents and any MSR tent is that I'm absolutely certain my Hilleberg Enan will still be intact the next morning when it's been blowing up a storm of strong gusty winds all night. I quite certain I'll never have to get out of my sleeping bag because a Hilleberg pole broke or the tent material tore a big hole in it.
Warm Regards from Reno, Nevada U.S.A.
I have the same tent and with all 7 stakes in the bag it’s 1080 grams. Maybe your weight is with the footprint.
Yepp... with the footprint.
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Interesting review Matti. It looks a nightmare to erect in windy conditions and I imagine it would be soaked if you had to erect it in rain. I don’t like these “inner first” tents. And false weight claims… I think I’ll give this one a miss. Cheers.
Yepp... it's very good when it's up' but putting it up in heavy wind was not my best experience... if I compere to other types of tents.
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@@JOKKMOKKGUIDERNA I had an MSR HHNX and it was destroyed in Scottish winds, in Glen Feshie. They did send me a new tent to be fair but I sold it after a few outings, I just had no faith in them.
My new Enan, Tarp5, footprint, additional pole and Y pegs were delivered a couple of hours ago so I’m stoked about that. 😁
The pole-system seems to have too many weak points and being way too complex to assemble compared with typical scandinavian tents from HelSport and Hilleberg. And I don't understand how anybody could get the idea that it is smart to make a tent where you put the outer tent on afterwards, is just inconceivable in my opinion. You have to grow up and live in a country with mostly sunny weather to get such an idea. It doesn't work in my homecountry Norway for sure if you stay a lot outdoors under all weather conditions.
I think i would feel more safe and comfortable in my Hilleberg Niak or Akto, and the little extra weight is ok for me. But would you trust this Big Agnes tent in the high mountains in rough weather, I mean have you tried that?
I agree... Maybe it's a good idea in the desert where you want only the inner tent sometimes. But I agree... Scandinavian style is more bomb proof to put up in heavy winds.
I have tried this in winds little bit more than 15m/s. It's totally silent and I feel okay in it. But... Hilleberg is something else... that's much better but not silent. 😀
I like the inside of this. It's lots of space.
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Attaching the fly in gusty winds is difficult for two people & a serious chore for one person.
Having the inner and outer seperately gives you a chance of drying your tent before you pack it, if not you can put the wet outer tent in a seperate bag and not soak your inner tent during the whole day and put it up wet in the evening. You can put up the free standing inner tent in a hut or under a roof for mosquito protection only with good ventilation. That design has its advantages, mostly when your life doesn’t depend on being able to put up your tent in the worst kind of conditions.
@@mygg15 Good point 👌
Hi Matti, this tent would be no good for me at all. The UK climate is very erratic and unpredictable. I reckon that about half my pitches are in the wet and a tent that that pitches fly and inner together is an absolute must. Hillebergs are not without their faults but overall they are the best design for me. The Enan is the closest thing to perfection I've come across for a 3 season one person tent. Why on earth they don't supply more pockets is a mystery.
I totally agree about the pockets... Maybe that will add 50 gram and then the tent is 1250gr and that could scare people from buying?
I think you have very rough climate in UK!
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However, unlike other Hilleberg one person tents, the Enan does actually come with a double pocket. (I’ve had Scottish Mountain Gear add two pockets to my Unna)
I think I know what went wrong with the weight. They list 2 weights for the tent Trail Weight, and Pack weight. Trail weight is only the tent and poles and guylines, no bags, no pegs. Pack weight is the full weight of the tent and everything, also the footprint is not included with the tent so that is extra weight. From, their site the pack weight is 1.08kg, and the footprint is an extra 113g totaling 1.193kg. the rest can be manufacturing variations, or the scale is off a bit.
Generally I avoid ultralight tents unless they are dyneema. Too fragile and I don't think they will last more than a season or two. I am very surprised you did not break the poles when trying to attach the fly during a storm, as at one point the wind and tension flattened them to the ground. Also that tent is self standing (if flimsy), unlike say the Nammatj. Only the main body has to be self supporting not the vestibule (those generally all need to be staked)
You are probably totally right!
...and I agree... the poles are stronger than I expected!!! They could easily have ben broken. I wanted to test that was the reason why I pushed the limits little bit more than necessary with the poles.
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The problem with this tent is that you put up inner first, I try to avoid this even though I have tents of this type .If I go where I need to relay on the tent I go with Hilleberg or my trusty helsport .
Yes... that's a problem. It's possible to pitch it with the flyers first and that works well as long as it's not heavy wind. If you just get rain it's a solution but rain and wind then it's difficult.
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Got news for you. BA, and all those type brands, make stuff for American weekend warriors, not logical Scandinavians. I've given them a few chances, and never again for real deal use.
Can never figure out for all that money you can't get away from a seem in the middle of the floor
Thank you for the honest and thoughtful review, it’s really helpful! I bought the Copper Spur HV UL 2 recently and am planning a 2 week trek in Norway this July. I’m pretty nervous about the waterproofing on this tent and have not had a chance to test it in harsh conditions yet. I’m particularly concerned about the ground floor HH rating only being 1200mm. I also found the vestibule area a tight fit for 2 people plus gear. I am internally regretting not springing for the Hilleberg Nallo 2 GT 🥲
In your experience do you think the Copper Spur would be reliable for southern Norway summer in alpine mountains?
Nallo is a really GREAT tent!!!
You will survive. Hopefully… ;-)
I think your biggest issue with a copper spur will be if it’s windy when you want to put it up! I had never rain coming through the fabric!
…and the floor. As long as you use your brain a little bit… and don’t put up the tent on the lowest place where water can gather if it’s started to rain heavily… Then it’s fine!
With a Hilleberg you could actually camp in middle of a lake more or less… 🤣
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@@JOKKMOKKGUIDERNA hahah thank you Matti! Really appreciate your response and thoughts on the Copper Spur 🙏🏽