Pokémon Gen I ABC - Down to 33 A presses with $F8FF ACE
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- Опубліковано 9 сер 2018
- Recent (as in, one year ago) developments in any% no save corruption speedrunning brought us $F8FF ACE, a method of achieving arbitrary code execution as early as Viridian Forest. Will this strategy deem useful for the A Button Challenge? Only one way to find out...
About the Pokémon Gen I A Button Challenge:
docs.google.com/document/d/1L...
The current Gen I ABC route:
docs.google.com/spreadsheets/...
Previous ABC video (44x A presses, almost): • Pokémon Gen I ABC - Do...
About half A presses:
The half A press notation is a special system used when counting A presses in segmented runs. If a specific segment of the run is started with the A button already held, such A press is counted as a "half A press". This is because in a complete playthrough, the half A press would just be held out and continued from an A press in an earlier segment, and it wouldn't necessitate pressing the A button. So the half A press is just a continuation of an A press that was performed earlier in the run. You can watch this video for a more detailed explanation (or you don't have to, because you've probably watched it already): • SM64 - Watch for Rolli...
Music from intro: The Happy Troll, by D1ofAquavibe
• The Happy Troll (song... - Ігри
"Pokemon League champions are honoured for thier EXPLOITS."
Yes they are, Professor Oak.
Their*
@@Reevro "Pokemon League champions are honoured for there EXPLOITS."
Thare you go.
@@official-obamaim crying
2:55 I appreciate that this textbox glitch makes the player move in time with the music
Cadence of hyrule be like:
Yes
@@simonepoliti5180 imagine how hype a Necrodancer crossover with Pokemon with Mystery Dungeon elements would be
the glitch do be groovy
Wouldn't be a true A button challenge without a dozen or more hours spent waiting for something to happen.
thechucknorrisofNSMB The point of the video is to see how the game could be pushed to achieve the literal lowest A presses possible, not to get anything useful out of it. Werster’s speedrun is more exemplary as to where this could practically go. This video is just a lot cooler.
I wasn't complaining.
@@sidd8257 its a meme you dip
@@tripled2096 its a meme you dip
@@Kurzov it's the nutshack you dip
>a human could achieve
>shows werster clip
I'm yet to see evidence of a human performing the glitch.
Destroyed
Oh my god the sm64 file select music lmao
Sharper video and clearer text. Watching 8-bit games in HD. Welcome to 2018! Maybe I'll bump it up to 1080p someday?
60 fps
you must be using a high-end video card to render all that pixel
You should check every backsprite in the game. Also, some more pokemon can be obtained early in the game through the Mew glitch, which depends on the special stat of opposing pokemon. Check all the pokemon you can get from the range of all special stats from each trainer's pokemon and the wild pokemon. The DVs of wild pokemon can be manipulated for, but they are all low level so the stats won't change much, if at all.
Welcome to 2020, where your 8 bit videos can be updated 1080p! To make them 8HD!
4K 60 fps
"Did you reduce the amount of A presses?"
"Yes"
"What did it cost?"
"2 days."
Small detail, I like how he called it "the Oak's Parcel" rather than just "Oak's Parcel". Absolutely no immersement in the game world going on here.
oh, hi
A Satocord convention? On my TheZZAZZGlitch comments section?
It's more likely than you think.
immersion? in MY videogame? less likely than you think
Yes, immersion is the goal of this. I, too, like to arbitrary code execute my life so I can warp to work rather than walk. However, I'm not saving A presses so it only takes me 12 minutes.
I haven't understood 80% of the technical discussion, but I see A presses lowered and I am happy
42 hours? Not quite the 71 required for Bowser in the Fire Sea 0x, but you're getting there.
Phenomenal work. Seems like, with Mario 64, I can at least know what to expect, but here, anything is possible.
Oh, you think that takes awhile? Getting the switch star in the gomboss stage in SM64DS with 0x B presses requires spawning objects for over _1000 years_ until the 32-bit object ID counter overflows, allowing you to spawn a coin with the same ID as the star and collect it with Yoshi.
Oh, and that technique is used repeatedly throughout the run.
Well, I know what I'm watching tonight.
Miki DEV 100% takes about 1000000 years
ENCHANTMEN You think that’s a lot? The RNG manipulation to make the platforms in TTC form a pedrospot would take so long, the earth would be long gone before we could do it, even if you were speeding up the game. If this strategy was possible (it obviously isn’t, seeing how long it takes) you would have to do it more than once.
Pouncing Pixels Aren't there only a limited number of RNG states? It's deterministic, so it eventually resets
Love how the slowed down walk animation lines up exactly with the beat of the Viridian Forest music.
Ikr
1 AM
PokePannen releases a 21 minute video
Who needs sleeping anyway?
"only cares about whether the A button is held, not pressed,"
sounds familliar...
"An A press is an A press, you can't say it's only a half"
-TJ """"""Henry"""""" Yoshi
First we were building up speed for 12 hours, now we're building up playtime for 41 hours
Am I the only one who thinks that glitch runs are way cooler than just dry speed runs? When you do a glitch run it goes beyond just beating the game, it can shows an excellence in understanding how the game works on a coder's level. ACE runs are the coolest of all.
I agree with this in spirit - as a ROM hacker (gen 3 only tho) I like seeingnthe in depth stuff but as a fan of the franchise, I prefer to see actual gameplay - for me the strategy I like to see is more about the actual battles, which there isnt a whole lot of in older generation glitch runs
Depends on the game. I prefer glitchless for like doom eternal but stuff like this is more interesting than watching turn based gameplay
"I don't care about time. why? You'll soon understand."
Oh oh.
I sense a building up speed for 12 hours incoming. Let's see if I'm right.
Edit: Hell yeah, increasing the game timer to 41 hours! I love you ZZAZZ! :D
When you said time doesn't matter, I knew in my bones that you were going to need to build up speed for many, many hours.
"but nobody came lol"
you cheeky bastard, you. well played
Hey there ZZAZZ,
I know it's not a guarantee that you'll see this comment, but I have a non-Pokemon request. I've been looking for an explanation for the Age of Empires - Age of Kings DS cartridge-bricking save glitch. Essentially, if you have a profile that is under 4 characters long, the "Save & Quit" option will brick the cartridge. The developers were unable to fix this glitch because it apparently required them to reprogram the engine itself. I haven't been able to find anyone who actually looked into this on the level of the game's code to find out why something as simple as a 2 or 3 letter profile could destroy a cartridge. Of course, the reason the cartridge is bricked is because save data is so corrupted it can't load, but why?
If this is out of your field of knowledge (or interest for that matter), would there be anyone else you could refer me to? I would really appreciate it as I'm finding difficult to let this go lol. Thanks!
(if anyone else that sees this comment has any possible explanations or someone who could provide me with an explanation, let me know!)
Yeah, I was always confused by that glitch. It seemed like you should be able to at least FORCE the game to recognize the 3 letter name and just... not let you use it.
I'm really interested now too. My best guess without seeing any code is this:
The DS uses a 32-bit word size and data is moved in chunks of 4 bytes each. A name with three characters or less would fit into a single word, including the string terminator. Perhaps the routine which loads the save name looks for the terminator starting from the second word, and never finds it.
I finished to watch the video and then I realize that the music used when explaining is the Super Mario 64 file select (a.k.a. Pannenkoek2012 theme)
Pokepannen
Wow. You even have pause buffering in your strategy now! Although it's used for different purposes...
ENCHANTMEN As well as waiting for multiple days, like BitFS 0x now does
ENCHANTMEN
Global timer
What did I just see me in the intro?
Lmao didn't see that one coming, thanks man
Shiny Swalot ~ So we meet again...*Tosses an Ultra Ball*
When I first saw that technique I thought it could save a few A presses, but I never imagined this many!
this is oddly satisfying to me, it's just nice to see how far glitching can get people lol
Well done! I really enjoy how much I learn about the programming of the Gen 1 games with each new video of yours. The map script running on every frame except when it needs to scroll the map is making me feel slightly better about my own bad coding practices...
14:00 "We have to build up -speed- time for 41 hours"
i like how $06 slowing the player down makes them move to the beat of the music
That feel when you use the opcode values you've memorized to anticipate where the manipulated values will be used...
Can you upload a savestate of the glitched overworld (the one that wrongwarps)? Preferably bgb or sameboy, but if you only have one for bizhawk, that's fine too, I guess.
$06 made your steps sync with music.
I like that.
Subbed the instant I heard that remixed file select
I like how you made a Pokemon remix of the Mario 64 file select music
42 hours standing to teleport to the Hall of Fame. Using the word "aligned". GJ! Will you make a vid about music glitches?
Omg, I did that on accident when I was little! No one believed me, but now I have proof to show it's possible.
Did what part tho lol
Yes.
Ahh... i just love watching these, barely getting anything. Keep it up.
YAY I LOVE YOUR VIDS SO MUCHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!! I swear these videos are so interesting and it's fun to try them out yourself.
Yay, I love this "series"! Great content as always! On a unrelated note, are those emulators that you set up a LONG time ago still trying to replicate 4 4's true cry? Asking just out of curiosity.
Somewhere in the world, that server is still throwing all it's resources at replicating it...
Or maybe not, I don't know. Let's wait for an official response.
Bump #2. I WANNA KNOW
oh thats why they call you pokepannen
nice
ive just found this channel. its great
this is actually really interesting to watch
last episode of "i am a pancake"
that fucking killed me rofl
Yay you're back!
Very interesting how the audio slow down glitch is triggered. I wonder if there's a constant or something that can trigger it in other circumstances
Also, I'm very interested with. This new glitch world. It'd be interesting to see what can be done with it or if we can discover anything from it
All in all, another awesome video! So totally worth the wait!
1. Achieve ACE
2. Use ACE to overwrite the OAM DMA routine, so that if the SELECT button bit of the ButtonsPressed/ButtonsHeld/whatever address is active, you unset it and set the A button bit instead.
3. Use ACE to start a new game without turning off the game.
4. Start the new game
5. Pokemon Red in 0x A presses ???
POKéMON LEAGUE champions are honored for their *exploits* here!
I think it’s funny instead of simply setting the values to $00 $01 and $02 it increases and decreases. Maybe that was a hardware limitation? It’s pretty funny that it allows glitches like this though. Thanks for the super in depth technical explanations!
Nope, just saving data/lazy coding
Inc (register) is 1 byte
ld (register), ($xxxx) is more.
2:51 Crypt of the Pokedancer
I might've missed something, but can't you save an A press by just having a trainer notice you instead of talking to him as you did at 9:01?
Ichi Sumeragi I think that's not possible with the invalid map script, but I'm not sure.
Invalid map script $06 falls into an infinite loop of attempting to display a glitch textbox. Because the map script is responsible for detecting trainer encounters, trainers will no longer notice the player when invalid map script $06 is in effect.
Ah alright, makes sense. Thanks for both your answers !
That loss of A presses in the Rival battle feels like it has to be avoidable. I know the 34 in the current route is absolutely necessary, but there has to be some other payload that would work... what's the minimum attack IV needed for a 3 turn battle?
Can't you lose by manipulating perfect enemy DVs?
Ah, I got things backwards didn't I. The goal is to lose in 3 turns, not win? That feels even more viable.
(IIRC, all enemy trainers have the same DVs, though, so no manipulation can be done.)
Yeah, trainer DVs are hardcoded based on trainer class. Only wild pokemon have randomized DVs.
wiki.pokemonspeedruns.com/index.php/Pok%C3%A9mon_Red/Blue/Yellow_Trainer_AI
Trainer Pokémon have $9888 DVs (the 9 is so that the HP DV, which is calculated from the other four depending on their even/odd-ness, will be 8 and not 0) and 0 in all EVs (it doesn't depend on trainer class), so the same Pokémon will always have the same stats-a trainer's level 5 Squirtle will have 20HP, 10 Attack, 12 Defense, 10 Speed, and 10 Special. A level 5 Charmander with $34C9 DVs and 0 in all EVs (as in this video) will have 19HP, 10 Attack, 9 Defense, 12 Speed, and 10 Special. All attacks used in the rival fight are physical attacks, so 10/9 (for enemy attacks) and 10/12 (for player attacks) will be used. Squirtle's Tackle deals 5 damage if maximized without getting a crit, and 6 damage if maximized _with_ a critical. (Yeah, crit mechanics suck in this game.) Three of these will leave your Charmander with 1HP left, so a 3HKO isn't possible.
The $1024 Squirtle from the 69x A press video has 20HP, 9 Attack, 11 Defense, 9 Speed, and 10 Special, while a $0000 Squirtle (if you got _that_ unlucky or something) has 19HP, 9 Attack, 11 Defense, 9 Speed, and 10 Special. A $FFFF Squirtle (maxed-out stats for when you just got it) has 20HP, 11 Attack, 13 Defense, 10 Speed, and 11 Special.
20 10 12 10 10 - $9888 Squirtle (all trainer L5 Squirtles).
20 09 11 09 10 - $1024 Squirtle (69x video).
19 09 11 09 10 - $0000 Squirtle (the $1024 Squirtle at least had a good HP DV of 8).
20 11 13 10 11 - $FFFF Squirtle (maxed-out stats).
Your Charmander starts off with Scratch and Growl when you get it, and these moves have 35 and 40 PP. As move PP comes immediately after DVs, you'll necessarily get `inc hl` and `jr z, wBoxMon1PP+3` (a relative jump to the same place execution would continue if it hadn't jumped, how useful), which then moves on into data on your second box Pokémon (which doesn't exist, making it all zero or all $FF, and I can't be bothered to figure it out right now, but $FF would lead to the rst $38 crash, so I'll assume it's zero and move on), and then your third through 20th, then getting to box Pokémon OT names. Let's go through these:
RED - sub a,c | add a,h | add a,e | ld d,b | ...
ASH - add a,b | sub a,d | add a,a | ld d,b | ...
JACK - adc a,c | add a,b | add a,d | adc a,d
BLUE - [...more arithmetic register operations and ld d,b]
GARY - add a,(hl) | [...more of those]
JOHN - adc a,c | adc a,(hl) | [...more of those]
And then, partway through the 20th box Pokémon's OT name, we get to OAM, which is subject to locking and will very probably have an $FF somewhere that will crash the game.
41 hours of warp ID raising later...
I'm beginning to think that his Onixzard actually *isn't* totally legit, revisiting this video
Holy fuck I didn't think it could of been less then the last one but you did it
True madness was reached and surpassed so long ago.
We need a collaboration with chikasaurusgl! Or a battle, whatever you want.
I love this so much
I love how the $06 walk is synched with the music
Synched
"The $06 Walk" sounds like a weird dance move
2:50 I like to think he is just walking to the beat of the music in viridian forest
What is the name of the music track you used at 7:32?
The Juggling Bros battle theme from Paper Mario: Color Splash
Markus Faulkner With much thanks dude :D
Just what level of madmannery does this take?!
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I'll never get tired of watching Professor Oak say, "Pokemon champions are honored for their exploits here."
what if you used your four steps to blackout and battle the trainer at the same time? would that do anything?
well, ladies and gentlemen, we now have an A button challenge answer to life, universe and everyrhing
8:45
Bug Catcher was defeated!
Bug Catcher: [doorbell noise]
19:24 a wild Partial Battle Escape appeared!
where'd that sm64 file select music come from?? it's a nice remix
Will you do Gen II ABC? Also, nice meme.
How about trying the challenge in Pokemon Sun/Moon/USUM? There is a lot of cutscenes, but with lower screen operating for battle and growing berries with Pokepelago, you could do way more in the way of actually playing the game. Once you obtain healing and Leppa berries you don't have to use the pokemon centers, and you can use the free pokeballs to get enough of a team.
5:30 I know I'm late on this but wouldn't pressing run while using rng manipulation for squirtle to win be fewer a presses?
"And so it begins..."
I wonder if you could get Oak's beginning part to reactivate and make a glitch route
Would it be possible to glitch in a pokemon with a more useful battle tileset in less than 12 A presses? if so, you could still save presses overall with your proposed alt route.
How does one exactly manipulate a wild level 5 Pikachu
woa shiny swalot making an actual suggestion
P. Olderjoch haha
I feel like I remember routes of this game where people use Trainer Fly to get like, a level 100 Gengar off of that trainer in Viridian Forest. Could you just do the Trainer Fly twice? Once to get a Pokemon that has the correct tile you need in that spot so the game doesn't crash, and again to set up the ACE?
No. Getting a Pokemon that way makes the trainer unable to battle you in the future.
2:51 Moving to the music, I see...
Our lord and savior PokePannen has returned
Imagine this happening to you accidentally and you just flipping out at getting into the hall of fame while in Viridian forest XD
Thank you
Could it be possible to execute deathwarp mew glitch before getting to map script? Like, grabbing a lvl 100 nidoking or would that negate A presses?
What if you go past Viridian Forest after the 0 ERROR glitch, catch another pokémon that could possibly set the values in VRAM to something useful, and return afterwards?
I hope that Aliens will find this one day and say "This human was even smarter than our best scholars"
yeet yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!
new video!
we love you zzazz!
I have a question unrelated to this video: The Gameboy can only display 10 sprites per line. NPCs and the player are 2 sprites wide. What would happen if you line up 5 NPCs + the player? This might be possible in Cerulean City or Celadon City.
How do us get onixzard?
Is it just the type swap
Glitch?
04:37
Yeah, nine is just a couple, lol
Which reminds me, the 12 hours of scuttlebug raising. If I'm not too late with the joke.
Edit: w o a h, 41 hours! I'm amazed, you destroyed pannokek!
Could you please explain how your manipulation technique works? Just waiting time? How do You calculate it?
16:04
You've heard of QPU alignment, now get ready for... PPU alignment!
yknow for the longest time i didnt realize that a pokemon version of the sm64 file select theme was playing. i thought it was from some other pkmn game, nothing to it
I want this pokemon 64 music link or something
Is saving the a press to press continue on the start screen possible on vc?
Can't you catch a Pokémon after Viridian Forest to get a good jump value or whatever, and then come back and use it for the glitch ? Either way, this is awesome work dude, keep it up =D
*established
not "estabilished"
18:46
"none of them give us any jump targets that could be used for simple, straightforward code execution"
Well, you've done a ton of code execution which is neither simple nor straighforward. I'm sure you'll crack it some time ;)
The intro TTS sounds great! What software is it?
2:52 to 3:02: It's like Red is walking to the music!
Gonna release that gameboy camera download to get it working on bgb?
Can we use this ACE with Pokemon Stadium to get Pokemon Stadium ABC?
I was confused for a bit because I was thinking of Just a Pancake, not Pannenkoek XD
been a while, did you come up with the conclusion that this was the most you could lower the a presses?
Hey, the beginning of the $F8FF glitch setup reminds me a whole lot about the 0 Error glitch. Are they related in some way?
Huskies Plays They both involve invalid map scripts, but the 0 error glitch is a result of the glitch textbox that the game attempts to display in this state
Do you think you, crystal, or chica could look into the formula that makes pokemon have different colors in pokemon stadium when given nicknames?
Oh so that's what that stange nerd glitch was in Bikdip's Yellow LP...though now I wonder how the hell he triggered it.
can you imagine trying to do this in realtime
"In the last episode of 'I am a pancake'"
F
"I fainted!"
I see what you did there! 😏