How to passivate your Anvil Foundry or ANY Stainless Bar Keepers Friend
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- Опубліковано 20 лип 2024
- Check out this cheap and easy way to passivate your Anvil Foundry or pretty much any other Stainless steel equipment.
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Thanks Brian, great info!
Thanks Jim!! Easy to do.. Also works great for beer stone on the bottom of gas fired kettles 👍🍻
I'm going to share the heck out of this video to all my customers.
Thank you for sharing top notch DIY hints, tips, and tricks of the trade.
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Thanks!! 👍🍻
Thanks for this! It is very short, simple, and to the point. I just got my new 30 gallon Spike Brewing Kettle, and want to make sure I take great care of it.
Awesome. Glad you liked it!
Thanks for sharing great video and awesome tip on the BKF.👍👍
For sure!! 👍🍻
Just tried this out today on my Robobrew and my Anvil stainless fermenter. Worked out great. Thanks for the tip!
Yeah! Work well! 👍🍻
Just bought some new brewing gear and this is easily the best method I've managed to find on UA-cam! Thumbs up from me. Cheers 🍻
Glad it helped!
Another great tip from you Brian. 👍👍 I've been using B.K.F. for cleaning stainless steel since before I started brewing and coincidentally, shortly before watching this video I was out in the brew shed cleaning my stainless steel tables and brew sink with Bar Keepers Friend. Cheers! 🍺
Haha good stuff!! Cheers Mike! 👍🍻
Thanks you for the tip! Well done.
Welcome! 👍🍻
Well thank you for using the spoon as measurement, much easier from an European point of view. :) Although I can't buy many of the products that are featured on your channel, I keep enjoy watching it!
Haha I often forget about international measurement 😳 I think some people have found this product online.. Cheers! 👍🍻
Thanks for the tip Brian! I have not pacified my equipment yet because of the cost of Starsan. It is funny that you use bar keepers friend as I just bought a Spike stainless steel 17 gallon conical fermentor and in their instructions they say to do the same thing! Great video as always! Cheers
Haha!! Awesome!! Cheers! 👍🍻
Great tip, thanks!
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Hi Brian, Glad you like your Anvil products, I do too! I was pleased to see this passivation video using BKF, but you have a misconception that might be making this harder than it needs to be. First, stainless steel is an alloy so the chromium is always there at the surface, along with the iron and nickel. Assuming that the metal surface is clean, bare, free of dirt, oil, or protein residue that can prevent oxygen from contacting the surface, that clean surface WILL passivate. Instantly. The dispersion of chromium across the surface will oxidize and prevent oxidation (rust) of any nearby iron-rich phases. So, the primary purpose of a good cleanser like Bar Keepers Friend is that it abrasively removes dirt and oil, and chemically reduces any rust which may have been present, leaving a clean surface that instantly passivates. In regards to your video, mixing the paste is fine, but the action is the scrubbing with it, not putting it on and leaving it for 15 minutes. The time doesn't hurt as long as the scrubbing takes place, but the time isn't needed. Yes, rinse thoroughly after scrubbing (with a rinsed sponge). Drying quickly is not really necessary. Ordinary tap water is not a hinderance to passivation, although if you have a high mineral tap water that leaves scale everywhere, and/or contains a lot of chlorine, that could be an issue, so drying with a towel makes sense as good general practice. Bottom line, yes I agree with your video, clean the Foundry or any stainless equipment when you receive it with PBW and BKF and then consider it passivated. There is nothing? you are going to do to it that will remove passivation in the course of normal brewing and clean-up. (Unless you filled it with bleach water. That would be bad.) Ok, sorry to take lots of space. Cheers!
Thanks! 👍🍻
Thanks for this. I was trying to figure this out as I'm patiently waiting for a Foundry to be delivered some time this month hopefully.
Glad I could help!
How's everything working out for you. I just got mine and I'm about to make an adapter so I can go from 120v to 240v without cutting the end off my foundry. Inline GFCI (that's another great video. 👍
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Awesome to hear!! Binge away! 👍🍻
Great vid - thanks
Thanks Ben!! 👍🍻
I use this a lot. The only thing I would add would be, after the equipment completely dries is wash it again with hot soapy water and a good rinse. What I’ve found is that first batch seems to have off flavors every time, but the following batches are ok. I don’t know why. Cheers Brian good video tip🍻🍻
Ok thanks for that tip!
I suggest buying the BKF liquid (creamy, like SoftScrub) as it eliminates any mixing and spreads on nicely.
Good tip! 👍🍻
Currently in the process of doing this with my brand new Brewer's Edge Mash And Boil. Hope to be brewing yet tonight.
Nice
@@ShortCircuitedBrewers Going to be doing the Downriver Dirty Blonde kit from Adventures In Homebrewing. 10 pounds of 2 row and 1 ounce of Cascades at 60 minutes and 15 minutes.
@@lonewolf9390 sounds good! 👍🍻
I've always used starsan. 1oz per gal mixed and then added to a spray bottle. Just Spritz the kettle and let it air dry. Super easy and cheap.
According to all the info I've seen the kettle need to be filled with the solution and heated to 160 degrees and held there for 30 minutes.. Just spraying it does not passivate.. It will sanitize but not passivate.
@@ShortCircuitedBrewers H3PO4 reacts with Fe turning it into Fe(HCO3)2 at around 30°c it changes into Fe(OH)2 + 2CO2. Layman's terms is that Starsan (phosphoric acid) reacts with the free iron from the machining process or damage. At around 86° f the reaction from the acid will create a form of water soluble iron oxide that can be rinsed off. A higher temp will expedite the process, but direct sunlight on the metal during summer will also work. Side note. Passivation isn't something that needs to be done all the time. The Oxide layer is naturally formed just from contact with air.
I use starsan undiluted and coat the steel and let it set for about 15 to 20 minutes followed up by a wipe down and then a clean with some soap and water. Gloves are definitely necessary as the acid is bad for your skin for sure.
Definitely recommend gloves!! Thanks for the info! 👍🍻
Got any idea how much I should add to a 5 gallon kettle X 3?
Been meaning to try this for a while. I don't think my kettle has been so shiny since the day I opened the box.
Awesome good to hear! It is like magic for sure!! 👍🍻
i been brewing 37 years so old school i guess. i sanitize and clean everything with bleach and water from my well and always have. it is cheap to buy and it works. i know "THEY" say bleach is a no no. They say a lot of things. I never leave the bleach (small amount) on the stainless for more than a hour.Maybe this helps someone. Another informative video, thanks
Great tip.. Might be a good video!!
well i don't know. if it didn't work i would never do it but back in the day there was no starsan or what ever they call it. the bleach works awesome. just don't leave it on the stainless long is all and it works so fast and good you dont have to. i have a plastic fermentor soaking in bleach overnight as its plastic and making wine today from my grapes. got to say i love your videos@@ShortCircuitedBrewers
Thanks Billy!! I saw. The bleach method about 10 years ago on a UA-cam video... Can't remember the name though! Lol👍🍻
Thanks Brian, Can you tell me if you can use the Bar Keepers Friend "Soft Cleanser" to passivate, or should you specifically use the powder?
Both!
Hi Brian, I’m curious to know if the Anvil cooling system worked for you with a better fridge. I am thinking of getting the whole cooling kit with a new 1.0 cuft fridge just for the Glycol or water. Any advice?
I did actually have success with a fridge. Have not had a chance to make another video yet. Some fridge have caused "freezer bay" In then. I was able to carefully bend that freezer bay down into the reservoir of glycol, and it worked extremely well, I was able to almost get to lager temps not quite, but for ale it was perfect. I hope to pick up another mini fridge on Craigslist and do a video on it. 👍🍻
Do you think the pre-diluted “soft cleanser” BKF sells would work just fine? It’s only a dollar more at target and saves from making the paste. I know it doesn’t take much to stir it up, but I’d rather just have the convenience.
BKF website says the pre-diluted soft cleanser has less abrasiveness than the powder so wouldn’t that in theory be better if we’re just passivating our units and not using it as a cleanser (like PBW)? Just wondering! Thanks for the videos and I’m eagerly awaiting your 240v GFCI Converter Tutorial for the foundry!
Sure should work as long as it has the acid in it. Had a bit of a delay on the GFCI cord but it will be out this weekend. 👍🍻
Can you tell me if the Robo Brew Brew Zilla 3.1 is the same as the Robo Brew V3? Thank you...😊
The controller is different but other than that they are the same.
I bought an electric brew rig from High Gravity Brewing and in the kit they included a pouch of barkeepers friend with instructions to use it just as you say.
Nice!! They know what's up!! 👍🍻
What if I already have pitting?
Hi Brian,
I have a foundry 10.5 and I'm getting ready to start brewing on it my question is what temperature do I run it to clean all the factory residue off with PBW also I'm using a riptide pump to clean it also.
Thanks
Ed H.
160f is the optimal temp for PBW. That's what I would recommend. 👍🍻
@@ShortCircuitedBrewers Thanks you always have great information.
@@edwardheyrich8601 anytime! 👍🍻
Thanks for this! Probably a dumb question, but should I passivate the outside of my Anvil Foundry as well, or will just the inside do?
Just the inside and all the basket parts.👍🍻
Mine rusts both inside and out, I'd recommend both sides
Are you going to do any more brewery build update videos?
Yes I am. Sorry for the big gap in them. I am going to shoot some video this weekend and get it out ASAP. Thanks for asking! 👍🍻
@@ShortCircuitedBrewers cool, I don't have the space to do my own so I live vicariously through others!
@@theulsterexpat haha! No problem! 👍🍻
This method left swirls and not a great finish on the surface of my Crucible. Should I be worried about this? Is this a way to make it look better?
Not really anything worry about. If you are "scrubbing" in a circular motion you'll leave swirls. You might try doing it again and only "scrub" in the same direction as the machine marks on the stainless. (Which would be going around the circumference of the fermenter in one motion) 👍🍻
Does the barkeepers friend passivate? also would you recommend doing it before your first brew with an electric brewer? thank you
Yes on both counts! 👍🍻
Thank you for your fast reply, appreciate it...😊
Do you have to passivate new stainless valve and pump heads? or is PBW/OXY soak good enough? thank you
PBW and oxy should be plenty. most of the time when you're dealing with pump heads it is a piece of cast machine stainless. Those items go through a pretty rigorous cleaning process when they're manufactured. 👍🍻
@@ShortCircuitedBrewers thanks Brian, cheers!!
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Any word on when the Fermzilla will actually be available?
Last I heard they were having issues with getting it to seal and maintain pressure.
Will it get rid of current surface rust
Yes it should. You might leave a slurry on the surface for a few minutes to help. 👍🍻
Bryan, does the equipment need to be cleaned again, after passivation, or is it good to go for a brew day? TIA!
Just to be safe I would probably do a good cleaning again. I've seen some instances where people did passivation and didn't get it rinsed really well and had some weird flavors. Better to be safe than sorry I think. 👍🍻
@@ShortCircuitedBrewers good call, thanks man! Cheers!
Vive Le Roy!!
Can you use that on your fermenter
Sure! Any stainless vessel can be passivated with it. 👍🍻
Hi, i cleaned and passivated my ss brewtech fermenter and every batch of beer i have made has a metal taste. 2 batches. I have done 10 gallon split batches. 1 in a plastic fermenter with no metal taste. Any idea of what i should do?
Do a good soak with PBW and then a good soak with star San and you should be good.
Thanks a lot! I'll give it a try. Sucks having a metal flavor haha
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Is this necessary on the Anvil Foundry? Sounds like something that should be done at the factory.
It's not a bad idea on any stainless steel equipment to do a thorough cleaning and use barkeeper's friend on it. Contrary to popular belief manufacturers don't open every box that comes from overseas and there can always be some manufacturing oil on pretty much any stainless steel device. It's cheap insurance in my book. 👍🍻
@@ShortCircuitedBrewers Thank you. My Foundry should be shipping this week. I'll passivate it before its first brewday!
@@njhampster 👍🍻
Hey, Bry. do you need to passivate before the first use? there is so much mixed info on the net, i just want to make sure i'm protecting my investments.
Never a bad idea.. Cheap Insurance. 👍🍻
@@ShortCircuitedBrewers Thank you so much for the super fast response. Love the videos!
@@drinkingwithbrian6406 thanks for the feedback! 👍🍻
Hi, I've used this method on my electric brewery (local made, very similar to Anvil) and the keg. While keg turned out ok except from posts being much darker now, the brewery has covered with cloudy stains which I was unable to wash out. Unlike keg, there was distinct smell when BKF reacted with the metal. I still brewed with that stains (well, don't know how the beer will turn out) and after cleaning it with OxiClean-TSP solution the stains turned kinda yellowish and bluish color. I haven't found any info on this. Any ideas how to fix this? Or I just runined my brewery? =( Also, interested how it could have affected the beer I just brewed with it. Thanks!
You basically blued your steel. Not a huge deal, it'll wear off with time.
Just scrub it clean. Stainless steel needs nothing else to maintain its integrity.
Actually incorrect, but whatever works for you.
@@ShortCircuitedBrewers
I'm correct. I'm speaking as a metalworker. As long as the surface of stainless steel remains clean and free from inclusions, the chromium continues to protect the material. All you're doing is making it shine.
@@austin2842 so another brewing system with a basket that developed rust in an area that was pressed in a die is just fine and doesn't need to be passivated to remove the rust and keep it off.. I don't think so.
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Trust me, my friend. If the basket you mention rusted, then it was due either to low quality stainless steel or having surface deposits remain combined with getting wet regularly. Clean stainless doesn't rust. Also, any iron that you see on compromised surfaces is actually from within the material itself rather than being deposited. That doesn't mean that iron can't be deposited, but this is usually done at the manufacturing stage when someone scrapes the surface with something made of iron or regular steel. Or uses a grinding wheel that was previously used on regular steel. It transfers iron into the top layers of the stainless steel, which then prevents chromium maintaining its protective layer.
@@austin2842 where i've seen it from normal use (on other stainless equipment) is when the metal is harmed somehow like being dropped (and below the passivation layer is exposed), chlorinated cleaners in too strong of a concentration or not rinsed well enough, or there is a poorly treated weld or machined area that initially looked okay but is slowly attacked. The third one catches people who aren't getting their stuff dry quickly after cleaning especially.
@Short Circuited Brewers if you update this video, one thing I'd suggest is immediately washing with dish soap after rinsing off BKF. I have noticed that it leaves some stuff behind even with very hot rinsing. Then dry immediately.
I'm probably not in the right place for what I'm looking for, but this video seemed to be nothing but a commercial. No details, chemical reactions, or scientific education.