Just realized how trash schools are with figuring out whether a child has ADHD (inattentive type). I was once separated from my classroom for a week because I wouldn't complete my work, never socialized with anyone, and yet I wasn't disruptive. They took me to this room and entertained me with a ton of puzzled... because I was able to complete these puzzles with ease they saw no issues with me... Homework and Classwork vs. Fun "hyperfocus inducing" puzzles... yeah...
My school didn’t do that. In fact they made me go to a study hall class to complete homework. In fact all I got was accommodations where I could be in a normal classroom. One of my accommodations was to sit in the front of the class and I needed it more even as I got into high school and it turned out I need glasses.
I 99.9% sure I’m dyslexic but they thought is was my vision I got glasses and I don’t think I needed them but now I have to wear them and It was not easy to get me to wear glasses when I was younger, I didn’t like things on my face and I hated jeans bc they were “too tight” and I don’t like socks that you have to pull up I wear the ones that are more discreet and don’t roll down. And I think they missed my adhd signs bc they were more worried about my dad and his treatment of us (he wasn’t very good) and now I’m not hyper fixated on school anymore and not as eager to please so I’m struggling and I told my family and they agree but it’s not important to them to get a diagnosis.
My mom asked my teachers every year of I could possibly have adhd cuz I had to be reminded of my schoolwork all the time, I kept getting distracted with paper and things on my desk, and more. The teachers said they weren't worried about it because ig I didn't show the hyperactive part of having adhd. I'm finally getting checked out for it. Have something next week to find out if I have it or just have an unusual learning style. Kinda weird since it doesn't just affect me in school but I'm not complaining.
In 6th grade, I was placed in a "gifted" class for a while. Throughout elementary school, I always performed very well, read at a very high level, because I was always reading things that I was interested in outside of school and I also played a lot of role-playing type video games or otherwise more involved games that required a lot of reading, and I usually just outpaced my classmates. For the gifted class, they would round us up from different classes during second period and we'd go hang out in a room and be tasked to do things like building suspension bridges in a simulation or building cohesive, made up fantasy worlds. I got kicked out of it a few months into the school year because I didn't keep my grades up. I just never did homework. I would sleep through most classes. I would either rush through work and go to sleep or wake up toward the end of a class and do it quickly. My in class work was always excellent. I was praised for my writing and math skills in particular. Hardly ever anything below an A+ when I did the work in class. I just didn't do homework and I was failing most classes. When I would get home from school, I would go to sleep for a few hours, and then after waking up I would immediately jump into my newest interest at the time, programming. I was learning c++ at 11 years old because I wanted to make games like the ones I played. My issues with sleep were becoming very apparent, or rather should have been apparent, to the adults around me. I just was not feeling tired at night anymore. I would be awake until 3 or 4 am, trying to sleep, before getting up for school at 6:30, then feeling the crash around 8 or 9, struggling to stay awake all day at school, and then going to sleep for a while when I got home. 20 years later and I haven't been able to fix this. My brain wants to sleep from 8 or 9 am until 3 or 4 pm. The only way I keep a normal schedule is by staying tired consistently. 4 or 5 hours of sleep a night, and I'll usually be able to fall asleep around midnight the next night, then up at 5 the next morning. If I sleep in, there's a great chance I won't sleep the next night. So, there's the story of my early life, which informs my real point here: that it should have been obvious to the adults in my life that something was different, and the normal structure of school and home life wasn't meshing well with my brain. I was obviously very capable, but I just didn't perform the way I was supposed to. Throw me in a room with the other "gifted" kids, and I'd stay engaged with designing that bridge or creating my fantasy environments down to the internal organs of the creatures I dreamt up, but I wasn't mentally present in any other class. I'd bust out a perfect score on ant test, but couldn't be bothered to do homework or remember to bring my backpack to school. I'd stay focused on churning out code, but wouldn't be able to tell you what you just told me 4 seconds ago. Granted, my parents did make an attempt to figure out what was going on, even took me to some sessions with counselors and therapists, but it was decided that I had emotional trauma from my biological dad (who displayed the same behaviors as I did regarding school and fixating on personal interests, and as I only learned earlier this year, was diagnosed with ADHD as an adult). I was told that I didn't do some things well or attempt things because I didn't think I was good enough or deserved to do well. I never accepted or believed that. Anyone who knows me knows that I can tend to get up my own ass and egotistical about how well I can perform in many areas and that I crave challenge and difficulty. One therapist had me promise my mom that I would stop sleeping when I came home instead of ever trying to address the problem itself. I was told that I was wasting my potential and that I needed to do better in school, and more or less they tried harder to force me into the structure and routine that didn't work for me, and tried equipping me with skills and habits that work for other people. Also, this was 2001-2002, when ADHD was a fad disorder, getting lots of attention. I think that hurt my chances of having it recognized because so many people either believed it was an excuse or otherwise thought too many kids were being misdiagnosed (I mean, they were and still are). So, knowing what we know now, it should have been obvious. But, back then, I was "too smart" to have ADHD. I was just lazy, or I wasn't being challenged enough. I'm not saying I was failed. I just hope we continue to do better with recognizing ADHD and other things in children and treat them accordingly.
its important to note that to people with ADHD that have never considered the fact they might have ADHD, they have no idea their attention span & the constant blur of 100 channels of thought aren't normal. i thought i was dumb for YEARS, up until late highschool age when it was too late to take back a decade and a half of shame, guilt, ostracism, self hatred and confusion as to why i was failing so spectacularly at the same challenges i thought everyone was facing. the first time i took 10 mg of ritalin i was suddenly aware that i had dozens and dozens of constant blurry thoughts all the time, and i only realized this wasnt normal when they all melded into one steady stream of conciousness. like a broken dam vs a running faucet of focus. one hundred quiet, static filled distant tv channels vs a single clear channel of which you have suddenly been given the remote. suddenly i could CHOOSE to listen, to tune into different things, i was so shocked that i could actually hold onto the sentences my math teacher was saying and realized that i had literally never had complete control of my attention, it had control over me. i almost cried with joy at the realization that all this time, when i had already learned it was easier to bully myself before everyone else did it so at least i made people laugh with my 'stupidity' (dyscalculia, distractibility), i wasn't stupid at all. the entire system just failed to meet my needs and with RSD i was severely emotionally damaged by not only neglect at home that no one recognized but by every negative comment i had ever recieved. hearing 'i wish you would just apply yourself' or 'i know you can do better' when you are working so goddamn hard to even function at the bare minimum level is soul crushing because that IS your best, unmedicated and untreated, and all people want from you is productivity no matter how much it costs you. its very very typical for it to present as depression and anxiety because those can be BYPRODUCTS of the disorder, often because these children have been shamed, criticized, bullied and chided by parents and peers alike for things they have NEVER been able to control. when you have no idea that everyone else can do things they don't want to do, and you don't know how to express 'i just can't make myself do this, i keep trying' so it is always responded to as if the child is being lazy, all you can see from a clinical standpoint is the byproduct of that adhd and maybe squirming and forgetfulness, easily attributed to the anxiety that they likely ALSO have. because of awful comments. i quit beloved hobbies because i was chided repeatedly for being unable to practice, stopped applying myself academically because eventually i just didn't care. the entire world thought i was stupid anyway so it didn't matter. then i got diagnosed. i didn't know my memory was exceptionally bad, or that i had focus problems at all... but i WAS losing hours of my day to seemingly nothing, and that's when my doctor noticed a discrepancy in my symptoms. sometimes you can't hone in on concerns about focus because the person with adhd has ZERO comparison (unless they find a medication that works and have somehow already taken the medication) into how everybody else's brain works. instead of targeting the individual, i wish it was more often taken from a different perspective. 'would people say you're forgetful?' vs 'are you forgetful?' people with adhd have had their symptoms minimized and looked down on their entire life with no comparison as to what is the 'ideal' level of function, so of course they might not think they're forgetful. but other people might SAY they are. i hope that maybe the critisism adhd people face can be used to help scope out the disorder in those that have it, it is a genuine condition and should not be slapped onto whatever child is causing problems. ADHD is a serious difference in not only cognitive function but also the levels of certain chemicals in the brain, stuffing a neurotypical or even just non-ADHD kid with stimulants is doing far more harm than good when maybe they need their home life looked into instead. for anyone suspecting they have adhd, try to record yourself. watch how you talk, see how often you jump from topic to topic or wiggle and fidget, maybe just space out, recording yourself going about your day gives you insight into not only how everyone else sees you but also how you behave. i recently recorded myself & i cannot BELIEVE i went under the radar. without medication i can barely hold a coherent conversation
@sarahrobertson634 Actually, there's an entire theory on how 'ADHD' as it has come to be known as a deficit in our society as we've made it, was once an advantage during times where it was absolutely imperative that some groups of humans in a tribe had lower sleep needs and a different circadian rythm, high pattern recognition, low tolerance for inane tasks but also be able to enter hyperfocus, etc. Neurotype diversity would have likely been an advantage then, as you have different people with different skillsets alert at different times and able to excel at certain tasks. ADHD is largely hereditary, people with ADHD survived long enough to breed all the way down to us. The functionality in a society we as humans quite literally made up isn't as much a point toward eugenics, but toward shifting the attitude of said created society. I can't do some things a neurotypical could do too well, but I can also sustain focus for 12 hours without even needing to eat, drink or rest to complete either a very very large task or several dozen smaller tasks with no planning or forethought, in a manner that most neurotypicals would need stimulants to achieve. I've always done several weeks full of work in a few days and gotten above average results, and I can thank hyperfocus for that. The deficits come from an academic and social system built only to support a single static way of learning. In nature, we would probably excel. But our societies at this point are meant to work you until you break, and that can be awful when focus on unwanted topics comes at a price. If I could have persued the topics I fixate on, I would've flew through it with flying colors. ADHD doesn't hinder intelligence, and in some aspects it has huge positives, the deficits only come in when you take into account the structure we based our societies upon. I'm an extreme example, and I've gotten a lot better since the four months. But ADHD is actually of the 'disorders' (nowadays yes, past times they may have been advantages) that can have equally strong positives as the negatives if you hone it. Fun fact, Leonardo da Vinci is thought to have had ADHD as well, and we wouldn't have Microsoft without it either as Bill Gates has also been suspected to have ADHD. Ted Nelson had ADHD, and he influenced essentially the entirety of internet as we know it today, as well as Michael Phelps, Simone Biles, so on. ADHD is very much an impacting but not exclusively negative neurotype, and my comment poorly expained that ADHD isn't solely negative.
I'm strictly under the belief that anxiety disorders can be caused by ADHD. Your mind is constantly racing from ADHD, so you build anxiety thinking about things. I was treated for my anxiety three years ago, and I quickly figured out that I had ADHD and it was causing my anxiety.
Its more common that anxiety causes adhd symptoms. Euphoric effects can help anxiety, the issue people have is tolerance makes it go away. you can tell after 5-8 yrs tbh
Exactly, very Biased and Slanted information given in this video by this doctor. Keeps perpetuating a negative bias making it harder for those whom are affected to get a correct and accurate unbiased diagnosis, so suffering continues or gets worse.
As a phd psy many of these disorders are also misdiagnosed when adhd is the cause, and children go into adulthood suffering with adhd being treated for years for depression, anxiety, mood disorders.
Exactly! UA-cam experts on Bipolar and Depression act like they know better when THEIR PATIENTS probably have undiagnosed ADHD and they just refuse to see it. As a Psych student working toward a PhD (specifically focused on ADHD, as it turns out) this ubiquity of what I can only classify as misinformation is just downright infurating. I have watched 3 different PhDs in Psych on UA-cam Dunning-Krueger their way through a 10 minute video on "how ADHD is actually overdiagnosed", when in reality it is becoming harder and harder to deny that we just misunderstood ADHD. It doesn't go away, and it doesn't always manifest itself exclusively in people who society has deemed to be "struggling". People who mask well get left out of the conversation entirely; women go underdiagnosed, adults go underdiagnosed. How many people have you met who were like "I had ADHD as a kid but I grew out of it"; And now they can pay attention in a conversation/class, but they forget to pay bills, forget to do laundry, forget things when getting groceries, struggle to do chores, forget where their phone/wallet/key are, and live an a pigsty because they *can't* force themself to clean? Oh sure, you grew out of it all right. And these "experts" never even mention what ADHD does to your executive function. FOR SHAME!
I was diagnosed with depression and anxiety aged 16. For 12 whole years I was like. Of course I'm sure those have been there but ADHD explains so much and why certain things I intuitively did to keep life good/balanced helped me so much. I was put in ballet, musical lessons. I was very productive with certain kinds of music.While it's not the sum of me it's always at the back of mind and i can take care of myself better.I also now understand the ways in which I am socially ostracized as due to the profound difference in how I think etc. ADHD in my experience is noticable and makes you very different to others or unique without them quite understanding how or why. For instance my intellectual energy and even physical is I think so unusual for my age it's made even me question myself. I also now know that when my life isn't balanced I can have medication.
i AM 47 because i am smart and can talk when I need to. basically I can fake it to make it. Also being mostly the inattentive type. I have been diagnosed different things but mostly dysthymia aka persistent depression disorder. I finally was diagnosed ADHD and it is making a difference. The ADHD caused the depression.
I wasn’t “performing” as well as my dad thought I could in school when I was young, so we both went in for an ADHD test (he thought I had it) but it wound up my Dad had it and I didn’t.
@Ivan Well I mean it’s not impossible but if OP had the feeling that they had ADHD and even got tested AND their dad ended up having it I would try to get tested at another psychiatrist as well because that still seems a little strange to me. But hey that’s just my humble opinion.
Definitely get tested again if this becomes a problem later in life. School is highly structured so success is easier than when things are less structured, if adhd is a problem.
@Ivan Umm…40 off is a significant deviation. Therefore, yes it’s weird. It’s weird that you’re normal when your father is not and it was only one professional anyways. Several others might disagree with the first
As someone who has ADHD and recovering CPTSD: anxiety and depression can result from how you are treated by your community with undiagnosed ADHD. My depression decreased by 60-70% after being diagnosed with ADHD. The deep shame about my blunders that caused the depression was gone. ADHD has such a bouquet of issues, not just restlessness and inattention. You may also have sensory issues like e.g. sensing every clothing tag/sock seams, eating irregularities because you forget, sudden exhaustion meltdowns as a kid, a "short fuse", strong physical reactions to joy/excitement, stimming/fidgeting like the restless leg/pressing a biro over and over, problems with organization, reacting strongly to positive stimulation like rewards/sweets.
This! Shes obviously not an expert. So many psychologists talk about AHDH like it's just a concentration issue and its really frustrating. There are so many aspects to it, many of which aren't mentioned in the DSM so are ignored.
Honestly even feeling i'm almost sûre i have it, gives hope, and indeed the dépression has decreased..., unfortunatly where i live, ADHD is not well known, because i'm not hyperactive my therapist just said i was depressive..., he barely talked to me for 2 minutes, and ruled out ADHD just because he doesn't know there is an inattentive type to it... I used to hate myself, asking myself why everyone can do it and not u ??? Why am i like that..., knowing it could be ADHD just makes me much kinder to myself... And i don't feel bad about all the things that i've missed in my life... I can't imagine how it could be if i confirme the diagnosis, or get à proper médication, life would be so sweet... But of course, not being able to have a proposer diagnosis puts me in a big dispair too sometimes..., gotta find à way to get it right
It should be mentioned that if a child can not keep up attention at school, neither at home in general - but can be very focused for quite some time playing computer games or doing sports or a another specific area, then that is actually a big hint towards ADHD - keyword: hyperfocus.
I think it's perseverance and not hyper focus according to Barkley (Although personally I've always felt hyper focused...like, I could go without going to the bathroom for hours if I played or did something else that had my full attention...Lo which is annoying because you know what happens next... and that was almost a setback for me because I learned to go to the bathroom before I was even a year old (I'm going to be tested for ADHD in a few days).
Respectfully, I find these comments offensive. I am not suggesting every ADHD diagnosis has to be right. Even the best doctors can misdiagnose a serious illness as a common cold. But it is very dangerous to dismiss associations between untreated ADHD, anxiety and depression. Try living a life with untreated ADHD, constantly being told since childhood you’re dumb, lazy, selfish, not trying hard enough, not good enough, why aren’t you like other kids, etc, etc, etc. Those voices become your own voice leading to anxiety and depression. I was diagnosed with ADHD at 46. I never had the support or treatment before then. Instead, I was constantly being punished for not being normal. Even though the diagnosis was the best thing I ever did, but the damage was already done. I live with an inferior complex all my life because of those voices that constantly remind me of my failure at being “normal” and anxiety grew from the fear of failure. I spiralled into depression at one stage. To this day, I still struggle to talk openly about my ADHD because of the stigma associated with it. These dismissing views only add fuel to this stigma fire. There is so much focus on the “disorder” side of ADHD. What about the benefits like “hyper-focus”? When I turn it on, I can do some of the most amazing things. I am in the ADHD spectrum and I am not ashamed of it. Not any more.
17 and getting my diagnosis, I've barely handled the years I've been alive struggling w these same issues. I couldn't imagine 46. You're incredibly strong, and I'm really happy you've been able to get the help you need even if it came far too late.
Can we get a video about ADHD getting mistaken for something else? I'm sure MedCircle doesn't intend any harm with this, and I'm certainly biased regarding this topic, but to me this is yet another piece of media out there in the wild that helps create even more obstacles for people meeting with much needed support, as it approaches the issue of misdiagnosis exclusively from a perspective that reinforces existing notions of ADHD being supposedly overdiagnosed, without acknowledging that, regardless of that, it is (also) *underdiagnosed* , as the slew of adults increasingly getting diagnoses clearly shows (particularly in women, which is just another example of how lopsided/prejudicial viewpoints disenfranchise people from support).
Agreed! Or doctors being biased because you're an adult with some possible ADHD like symptoms that you're concerned about, and just because you're able to sit down (full stop) and you're an adult, and a woman, and you weren't diagnosed with ADHD as a kid, they'll write you off as having anxiety and being too hard on yourself, even though you've been told that you'll lose your job if you don't start remembering things better or learning to focus better on stuff! If you have an issue with your memory and you've always had an issue with your memory then that's not anxiety or depression, but it can create a lot of anxiety over when you'll next mess up, and feelings of sadness and frustration that you can't remember stuff better! (And bad working memories and ADHD often go hand in hand so I'm learning) 😡
I think I have inattentive ADHD. I’ve been diagnosed with: (quiet) Borderline personality disorder. Depression. Anxiety. Social phobia. None of these really fit, as my social anxiety practically disappears when I know I can “meet expectations” or know how to behave in a situation, even if I just met the people involved. My self harm also disappears when I’m not “failing” at everything and instead have a bit of self worth - self aggression results from feeling like such a monumental mistake and burden to be around. Female/XX chromosomes. My depression is alleviated by any number of things, is worst in the mornings, doesn’t seem to have any rhyme or reason beyond all consuming brain fog.
@@StaringCompetition that is actually very interesting. My diagnosis is adhd innatentive, but as you say my anxiety goes away when I know I can meet expectations.
Sure feels like a mental health condition to me. I do understand it is a neurological condition, but mental health is the overarching element here. It definitely affects the mental health. Has me! Badly! Wondering if that's okay to use it in this sense because of that. I keep thinking that my diagnosis of depression really is ADHD. It's depressing to not focus. So, if that is treated and the depression is lifted, would we then lump it all under ADHD and include the mental health that was affected? I say that because we (me and mental health professionals) have been treating depression over and over, but the focus should be on ADHD & I think that is the caveat here. I think if the diagnosis is ADHD and not Clinical Depression, the depression will finally lift. I know what you mean, though, I am just wondering if care is being used and that is the element that is being missed. Maybe they will respond. HOPE SO!
The problem occurs because society is not made for nurodivergent people, and a lot of the anxiety and depression is caused by trying to ‘fit in’ or ‘keep up’ not as a result of the neurological differences in our brains.
@@leanneodell9816 actually it is a reaction of neurological divergence, ADHD people can have either a smaller prefrontal cortex or a low blood pressure there/ low activity. There’s a 3 years gap between the development of a person without and an person with adhd.
We tried the depression thing and my case ended up being opposite. Treating depression did not help my inattentive symptoms but getting on ADHD meds did, and in turn helped my depression
I’m a Certified Pharmacy Technician and for really bad depression they have used stimulants for ADHD off label to treat the depression and it works. I think they try not to leave you on them but to get you through the low lows it works and gives people the energy they need to get through their day.
Treating depression will help on the depression that way too many with undiagnosed ADHD has obviously. But this is the problem: It stops here many times. Treating depression worked on many of the symptoms. That gives them the right to dismiss the other symptoms and thus make you undiagnosable because it will forever and always just be depression. It makes me furious.
I really think that the name of ADHD does not help whatsoever. So many people in the comments that are like "it took me 2 hours to watch this video 🤪." Well no. That's not all ADHD is. Guess they've never heard of hyperfocusing
Bro exactly so many people don’t have ADHD or maybe do but it’s like the mildest type ever and claim how hard it is to get attention. So many people I hear say oh my ADHD and I’m like bro I go to a school for special kids because my ADHD is so bad I struggle so much and you obviously don’t it just makes me feel really shitty
It doesn't take me 2 hours to watch something. I find myself speeding up most videos I watch to 1.5 speed, give or take. I've even found myself at times thinking I wish I could speed up the show or movie I'm watching.
@@mmmmmmmm1942 actual facts Ik u actually have ADHD from that sentence. All these fucking fools trying to get likes and pity by lying about ADHD 🤦♂️ atleast there’s one true person in here.
As a female I was always steered towards a mood disorder. Finally, at 24, being treated for ADHD and it turned off all of the background noise I didn’t even recognize was there until everything was so clear and chill.
that's great food for you haha I not even chill in my sleep and I'm never ever clear I always feel like no mater what I'm doing I'm supposed to be doing something else this never ending scattered brain thing that gives me so much anxiety. I hate it and it's so exhausting too.
I think you're doing us all a disservice with this video. I've had depression and anxiety for as long as I can remember. I never suspected it could be ADHD because "it's over-diagnosed" and because of people who say you just need more disciple and it's a fake disorder and so on. I have been so close to taking my own life far too many times in the past because of it but I'm lucky because I've always gotten through it. I hate to think of all the people who weren't as lucky as I, whose lives ended because of the stigma and the hurdles placed before us. Because of videos like these.
I've been getting treatment for depression for 25 years. No change. My parents finally told me that almost from a very young age (4+) I was always easily distracted at home, would often fixate on activities or hobbies and my early school reports all state I had poor organisational/management skills with consistently poor performance in written/home work. I've spent decades in jobs where I could not perform to a good enough standard, often missing deadlines and working all hours to keep up. Finally I'm seeing ADHD-PI making more sense. Definitely working towards getting a diagnosis.
I’m going through a similar thing with work myself atm. I’ve actually been diagnosed recently but my psychiatrist is refusing to increase my vyvanse, so it’s wearing off in the middle of the day which is making everything worse.
It feels like this video is backwards. I was just diagnosed with ADHD at 34 years old after a lifetime of thinking it was depression and anxiety. Everything I’ve read or seen since then (minus this particular video) says that ADHD is largely under-diagnosed, especially in women.
I’m a psychiatrist myself. ADHD is grossly over diagnosed. 98% of my patients are ADHD related. Most of the people I see I don’t think have ADHD, but I give them medication anyway because that’s how I make money. Sadly, patients don’t understand the really world and most people are so willing to believe they have ADHD
@@joshpoi886, you prescribe meds for a condition they don't have, so you can make money?! What about ethics, dignity and the Hippocratic oath? Shame on you. How dare you.
@@joshpoi886Presuming, “doctor” you are discounting the thousands of older women who spent their lives being dismissed as scattered and stupid, relegated to detail oriented vocations like secretarial work where they were doomed to underperform because of their ADHD. They are known as “The Lost Generation.” Girls continue to be overlooked because they do not typically display disruptive behavior. Either you are lying about your credentials or you are grossly uninformed regarding widely available research and data.
I feel like while this video talks about an extremely important thing, please keep in mind, that ADHD is still widely UNDERdiagnosed. So yeah, there are a lot of false diagnosis. But most of them are false negatives. Especially if you are not diagnosed as a child. It is also not a surprise that there are so many misdiagnosis, considering that a lot of experts are unfortunately working with knowledge that is extremely outdated. Navigating this world is extremely frustrating...
C-PTSD vs ADHD OCD vs ASD Mood and anxiety within the child caused by narcissistic abuse at home vs mechanism within the child to cope with overstimulation in their surroundings My experience: Peaceful home, relaxed ADHD child
Would love to hear more. Our child can be difficult. It adds layers of stress to the family dynamics and creates a not so peaceful home, which in turn adds to his difficulty. Any insight in how best to break this negative cycle?
@@NHHwng I suggest you read Gabor Mate's book, Scattered Minds.... there are lots of UA-cam videos of him speaking to groups & at meetings & the book has so much more information, including parenting advice.
My experience was the opposite, I thought my focus issues were due to anxiety and depression, but they still remained even as depression and anxiety were being treated. Plus, I still had so much anxiety (though it was improved). Turns out it was ADHD 😛
@@dirohuile1125 please don't just casually suggest Adderall as a quick solution to adhd. Doctors would advice against stimulants unless it's a last resort.
@@mavericksantos998 my doctor was like… I understand you don’t want to take meds but if you have ADHD you’d need to take them for life. That sucks. Would need to wait on tests for a year or so.
In my family's experience Under-diagnosing ADHD has been horrifically damaging to three generations of women. I'd like to see All possibilities embraced when looking at a person's struggles. We have each been heavily medicated for anxiety and depression, often with controlled anti-anxiety meds and old school depression meds, as well as all the SSRI. Never was ADHD a part of the duscussion even as these meds didn't help. And yes, decades of therapy, CBT, EMDR, WRAP classes, ALANON....all the skills but nothing making much difference, except to leave us feeling hopeless. I'm not really understanding why there is such reluctance to try treating the ADHD possibility first. It's not as if the meds for depression and anxiety are harmless and some are controlled substances. Everyone I know who speaks about trying stimulant medications has had an immediate affect to work with much more quickly than the months required for anxiety and depression meds to show a result. That shorter window could save a life.
Same. I strongly suspect my sister who struggled all her life with what was diagnosed as depression, anxiety and an eating disorder as well as several attempts was misdiagnosed. Nothing helped in terms of decade long treatments, forcibly gettig admitted on several occasions etc. As far as I know she never got evaluated for adhd. Which I strongly suspect she had. She's no longer with us since 2017. After learning more about adhd myself and currently awaiting my diagnosis for adhd I think she could have been saved, if just one of all the proffessionals that "treated" her through the years had known how common it is for adhd to be missdiagnosed as all the labels she got from them. She always told me she knew the problem wasn't what they told her it was, that they where just symptoms of something else, she told them that too. But nobody listened.
I had a similar experience. SSRIs and anxiety meds DBT...but my hyperactive MIND never stopped. I never ever realized I might have ADHD since mine is inattentive (nobody ever even considered ADHD for me) Finally at age 68 somebody EXPLANED that there are 2 types OHHHHHH Hey 68 years of racing mind without relief. You are RIGHT With a mind going 24/7 no wonder I have ANXIETY. Deeply grateful for my greatly slowed mind using Guanfacine!!!!
This seems like a strange way to frame the topic when ADHD is so severely under-diagnosed and misunderstood by so many. There are already too many people convinced ADHD is wildly over-diagnosed to the point they don't even believe it exists. I'd be really concerned about reinforcing those beliefs
It may well be both over- and under-diagnosed; that is, both a high rate of false positives and a high rate of false negatives. This is what I would expect when the evaluation process is (all too often) truncated.
@@briandandurand5661 and/or a high rate of false alternative diagnoses such as anxiety/depression. A therapist told me she saw anxiety and a little depression when I went to see her. Most of my anxiety is about organizational issues and the problems I have with keeping up with all the appointments, housework, and other stuff, not just worries about everything in general, so it's most likely directly linked to my ADHD. Don't know about the depression though.
trying to get an adhd diagnosis at 19, almost 20 - i was always good at school so all of my other symptoms were overlooked, i even had trichotilliomania as a toddler (i have a permanent bald spot now) and my door would fall off from the hinges because of how bad my room would get (not to mention hypersensitivity, hyperfocus, and auditory issues) and i always thought something was off about me compared to everyone else around me, even my siblings and i would joke that "something is wrong with me" but we just never figured it out. hoping i'll be able to get tested soon and finally get the confirmation i need
@@SharlenesJourney thankfully i stopped pulling my hair but i switched to ripping the skin off my fingers, i'm currently still searching for a place that will help me, hoping the one by my apartment at school will do the trick!
I struggled with anxiety throughout my twenties and still do, people tried to treat it with antidepressants and I went on and off numerous drugs until I was 27 and finally got diagnosed with ADHD. Treating the ADHD helped me to finish school, be able to keep jobs long term, and take care of myself better than I had in my entire life and the anxiety became way less than it used to be. It was life changing being able to wake up and go about my day without a head full of fog.
That's ironic. I keep reading people's comments that they were misdiagnosed with anxiety and depression, and those went away after diagnosis and treatment for adhd. Not the other way around, that treatment for depression made their adhd symptoms go away.
There are always two sides of the coin - I was diagnosed with depression and anxiety when I was about 17-18 with doctors suspecting some sort of mood dissorder either bipolar or bpd when now as 27 I got diagnosed with ADHD and finally treated. Depression and anxiety is mostly gone as apparently they were caused by my undiagnosed adhd! I no longer have mood swings and mood issues and I'm generally calmer and more confident. So many years of beating myself up for being undisciplined, lazy and just not being good enough :(
Trying to get help next month for ADHD after years of speculation and suffering. Wish me luck lol, I’m so used to being told I’ts “in my head” ironically, and nothing to be worried about when it’s ruining my life. Love it
In my experience 1.Trauma - physical & verbal abuse home and school ( age 6 to 12) 1.1Witnessed mom & siblings getting Physical abuse ( age 6 - 17) 2. Verbal abuse & bullying( ages 12 to 17) 3. Witnessed mom , siblings and experienced verbal abuse ( age 7- 38 current) 4. 2017 Lost younger brother (32) to overdose. Who suffered from anxiety and depression. 5. I was Diagnosed with ptsd, social anxiety, depression , complex ptsd and adhd. Currently on medications Wellbutrin, Zoloft , snd Ritalin. I would prefer to be on natural medications like Cannabis , Edible marijuana but it gives me more Anxiety/ panic attacks. I stay away from caffeine. No Alcohol. All those years I thought I was doing something wrong, I was not smart. I felt ugly. Crazy thing about anxiety is that my body Reacts to anxiety more than my mind does. Especially loud Noises, People yelling , people Raising their voices. My body begins to feel tension. Feels like I’m Shaking in my boots. Currently I’m doing better. Working full time , started my own business. Working on my anxiety everyday and goals.
I would have to leave the house when my parents or siblings were having loud discussions. I was so confused from the fact that I always felt like I didn’t fit in anywhere, I was (in my mind) unattractive and very, very shy. Constantly being excluded from other people in classroom (distraction and daydreaming), being put into solo positions in jobs and not having more than one friend at any time in life.
Females REALLY get the short end of the stick because WE are a million times more lightly to express OUR ADHD with a a hyperactive MIND not body. I just kept trying different things until the racing thoughts stopped. Don't give up. Nobody cares more than YOU about getting to the bottom of your illness. Keep reading Get a cooperative PCP who is willing to explore different treatment. At some point, you will find the correct diagnosis by trial and error!! Good Luck👍
My physiatrist told me I could have easily been diagnosed with a personality disorder. While I was being assessed at 36, with a few different medical professionals. I Was diagnosed with anxiety and depression at age 9. At 36 was reassessed and was diagnosed with ADHD.
My parents got divorced and I was 13 and I suffered in school. Now as an adult I have anxiety after a work incident and was put on Ritalin only to find that I worked like crazy until burned out. I have a fear/anxiety issue of people now after trusting so called professional people. Trust in how you feel and follow your own advice on how you feel and react to any meds.
There are so many comorbidities and also overlap with ADHD and that's probably why it's hard to give proper diagnosis. For myself I can say that I have probably been falsely diagnosed with BPD for years and have received treatment for that. Recently I have received an ADHD diagnosis from two independent doctors and started medication. In this month of being on medication I have seen more positive changes in myself than in years of treatment for BPD. Prior doctors were trying to convince me that my executive dysfunction was caused by depression but I've definitely had depression in the past and I could tell the difference and how I continued to struggle even when I didn't feel like I had depression. Then in turn my inability to function was GIVING me depression. So it was a bit of a chicken or egg situation.
I’m in my 30s and JUST NOW this month finally getting help. My doctors thought it was my thyroid… then treated me for depression… and now, finally put me on Wellbutrin and my inattention and anxiety has improved 100 fold. I still struggle with impulsivity and being able to sleep at night, but they have me on another med for that to help my brain slow down so I can sleep lol. It’s crazy how so many of us get dismissed for years and then finally get help.
Why does no one mention CIRS as a cause of mental illness, anxiety, insomnia, forgetfulness, inability to process thoughts, etc. I had this and thought I was losing my mind, and I couldn’t think at all. I felt like I was dying, was asked if I wanted to take some time off teaching high school English, which I did, but couldn’t go back. I had no idea mold was the cause. My son is now living with his father in a water damaged building, has mental illnesses which have gotten worse as the mold progressed, his anxiety is through the roof, he can sleep, has tried to take his life and talked about it before that and still does. I made him come to live with me,and I’m trying to detox him the way I can without a doctor, because doctors aren’t taught about fungal infections and how it affects the body and especially the brain. Now, he just got out of 3 psychology wards in hospitals, released because of his Medicaid in Michigan, and in a state of neurological psychosis, which has declined to paranoid schizophrenia. We are waiting for “permission” from Molina to get him to see specialists that his own psychiatrist isn’t qualified to treat, and this is a nightmare!
Wow, I have been wondering if mold may have been causing my seemingly increasing deteriorating mental and physical health, but I have a history of depression and anxiety plus last yr I was in an severely abusive relationship with a narcissist. That has given me symptoms of c-ptsd. When I escaped from him I came to live where I am now. The house has mold issues. Part of the home is closed off due to it. The room I stay in is connected by a wall at the rear of the house which is halfway under ground. The yard is always wet. I was told the home building by neighbors behind us has caused drainage problems. I seem to be getting worse with my memory, emotional regulation, organization and executive functioning etc. Plus I feel lethargic and achy. Some days I stay in bed till I actually hurt so much I have to get up. Sleep is not restorative to me. I have been so down at times of harming myself but then then next minute I'm better. I noticed after a few days of rain I'm stuck in bed and what's worse is I'm next to what could be the problem! Id love to talk to you about this if you're willing. Thanks
Me with GAD and ADHD: 👁👄👁 But in all seriousness after starting adhd medication i swear my GAD has just been either a side effect of untreated adhd or emotional disregulation due to adhd. So glad I got the diagnosis to finally get treatment. It would've made my life so much easier years ago had I known how badly adhd disrupted every aspect of my breathing life
After informing myself and reading up on ADHD, its symptoms, and different things like this video here, I'm more and more terrified they'll just look at me and say "easy, major depressive disorder" when in actual fact, I am almost certain that my depressive symptoms are a result of my ADHD symptoms.
@@oiBashyy to be honest... Nothing yet. My executive function has been declining without proper coping mechanisms, and since I turned 18 a few months ago I haven't been able to find a new doctor yet. I have, however, made an appointment with someone that's gonna help me call up some places and finally get the help I need- but that appointment isn't until September. :/
I am a Certified Pharmacy Technician and stimulants make anxiety worse not to mention what they do to the heart. The only reason they are given to children is because they are wired differently but when I worked in pharmacy stimulants were not supposed to be treatment for adult ADHD and actually it makes more sense that the brain needs to be slowed down to be able to focus not sped up.. that’s why they tell you if you have anxiety not to drink caffeinated drinks because there is scientific data that shows stimulants make it worse. In fact they prescribe stimulants off label for depression that is not resolved by anti depressants and it works way better than anti depressants for depression as people can actually function and get out of bed because they finally have energy. I’ve been told it’s a miracle drug for depression but most Dr’s won’t prescribe it for depression. I’ve been told most anti depressants don’t work.
@@stephanieburgess8217 I have a Bachelors of Science in nursing (was an RN, let it lapse as I'm not working clinically), and have ADHD and you have your facts completely wrong: 1) Stimulant medications CAN make anxiety worse, but that varies person to person. It's very common for adults who were undiagnosed (and therefore untreated) for ADHD to develop anxiety, depression or both, secondary to the ADHD from trying to "pass" as neurotypical when they are not. In cases like this, it's incredibly common for anxiety to go away, once treatment for ADHD starts. 2) Evidence does not support that simulant medication, taken as prescribed, will damage the heart in any way. In fact, once I started on medication, my resting heart rate dropped like 10 bpm. My Doctor theorized it was because of the decrease in my anxiety from treating my ADHD (it's amazing how anxiety plummets when you can actually remember appointments, know where your keys are, have conversations without interrupting others constantly, and basically aren't waiting for the "other shoe to drop" about what you missed because you weren't able to pay attention. 3) The last thing any brain with ADHD needs is to be slowed down. ADHD brains have less neurotransmitters (mostly dopamine and norepinephrine) in the parts of the brain that handle executive function. The reason that ADHD people can appear to "hyperactive" is because they're trying to stimulate their brain....it's like we're constantly trying to kickstart it, so we can get enough of the neurotransmitters we need. This is why stimulant medications actually calm many of us down. We no longer need to be physically hyperactive in order to be able to focus. 4) Adult ADHD is absolutely a recognized condition, and the standard first line treatment is stimulant medication. There's literally thousands of studies about this. 5) Depression on it's own (so not secondary to ADHD as I mentioned above) is a completely different situation. There many, many people who find that antidepressants absolutely do work. Because they all address depression in different neurochemical ways, often times patients and Doctors need to try a couple before finding ones that are the most effective with the least side effects.
@@stephanieburgess8217 not to be rude but you seem a little out of your league. Stimulants “slow down” people with ADHD, it effectively normalizes their thoughts, impulses, and activity because they’re effectively constantly seeking stimulus. Which the stimulant than supplies allowing them to be more normal. Now if their dose is too high yes the medication itself can cause anxiety, if a normal person were to take it they to would likely experience anxiety. However if their dose is good it actually slows down the thinking/racing thoughts where anxiety can fluster if the ADHD is left untreated.
@@johnmoore1495 actually this is coming from Pharmacists I have worked with for over 2 decades who had PharmD, Doctorates in how medication work, process and eliminate from the human body. That is where I got my info so if you think it’s wrong then you should reach out to the pharmaceutal industry that brainwashes all that is taught in medical schools including pharmacy school if you think it’s wrong.
As many of the comments say, and as much of the new research shows, It's actually more common for ADHD to get misdiagnosed as Anxiety or Depression than it is for the reverse to happen. It's like professionals trained between 1990 and 2020 went to some seminar where they said "ADHD is only 4% of the population, so make sure you only diagnose 4% as ADHD", often dismissing ADHD as a childhood illness that goes away. (All the while confusing is for ought) I am legitimately growing weary from all the Psychiatrists that mostly deal with BPD, Bipolar, Depression and Anxiety thinking that makes them an expert on a condition they know very little about, while attributing every symptom they see to the conditions they better understand. If you think this... YOU are the one who is uneducated on the topic, degree or no.
@7:05 - You mention the inattention associated with depression and if the depression is well treated the attention improves, What if the depression is helped somewhat, but the inattention is the same or more evident? Then do you look harder at treating the ADHD? Do you continue the depression medication while figuring out the ADHD?
Well the depression could be caused by an underlying issue. Which could be ADHD. Untreated ADHD can lead to depression and anxiety. So if the person treats the ADHD, it could help the depression or anxiety. I would advise to discuss this with you doctor but my mother is on Adderall for ADHD and Lexapro for depression.
I am not an expert but I just wanted to share my own experience that doctors in my area are trigger happy with depression and anxiety diagnosis and treatment, even though all of my depression symptoms can be explained by either ADHD, being depressed about problems cause by my ADHD, or having a normal reaction to life problems. It wasn't till recently that I found out how dangerous depression medication can be for you. I have now learned that I really need to stand up for myself when doctors just take the lazy route of chalking everything up to depression and anxiety.
@@saharaofthedeep Health professionals have been trigger happy with anxiety/depression with me too. They blindly accepted everything I said about anxiety/depression symptoms and insistently tried to push me toward antidepressants but were overly suspicious about everything I said about ADHD symptoms. They were also overly concerned with the fear of having stimulants prescribed to me by mistake which I perceived as a red flag indicating that they would let their diagnoses or assesments of the potential disorders be influenced by the treatment that they wanted to avoid. In other words, they obviously lacked neutrality and objectivity. They've repeated countless times to me that stimulants could make my anxiety worse but not even once one of them had the honesty to mention to me that anxiety symptoms may result from ADHD and that treating ADHD with stimulants first could actually reduce anxiety. I stood my ground and lost to these people (a chain of health workers working together leading to a final assesment with a psychiatrist) and was diagnosed with anxiety and depression. However, when my family doctor received the report I continued to object and stood my ground. It worked. I got methylphenidate instead of an antidepressant and it was worth it. While not perfect, it helps a lot with attention. I don't get agitated as they said it would do to me but instead it calms me. I get way less mind wandering and distracting thoughts, including the anxious and intrusive ones. And when my mind wanders I notice it more quickly and can bring back the focus on track more easily. In other words, it turns out that stimulants make me feel significantly less anxious. Moral of the story: always stand up for yourself. The stigma around stimulants being evil dangerous drugs is real and some healthcare workers become paranoid the minute ADHD is mentioned to them.
@thcirblueerf it seems like a more hypothetical question to me, no harm in asking questions. It’s not like they can get meds without a doctor anyways for the most part
@@floria9565 I couldn't agree more.. it's such a battle just to get someone to take you seriously about what your going through. Invariably, trying to get help and being treated this way is very depressing and would definitely lower ones mood and sense of hope and can make one actually depressed. And instead of treating the cause of the depression which is not actually depression to begin with. In many case their is a good reason to be 😕 most (even normative) people would be if they had to go through all of that. Instead though, they want to stay treating the symptom not the cause.
I'd love if you guys could make a video about differences in adhd and autism. I was diagnosed as being adhd inattentive type from a young age, but recent talks with my therapist reveal I could very well be on the spectrum.
My Son has Sesory Overload. He covers his ears when loud noises, texture when eating or glitter that touches his skin. He was also diagnosed with ADHD, Autism Spectrum, Axiety Disorder. I was recently diagnosed with ADHD, Anxiety and Insomnia
if you had to rewind this video more than once because you stopped paying attention, STOP doubting yourself, you're in the right place, take your time, dont stress yourself over it anymore, ITS JUST ONE VIDEO!
I think the misdiagnosis is much higher; w/ children & mainly adults. This is based on my experience recently on a facebook ADD group chat. The vast majority of people had no knowledge at all of ADHD & their comments clearly identified misdiagnosis & very odd negative reactions to ADHD meds. It was disturbing to me that so many people clearly have other mental health issues & were on Stimulants. Many were extremely negative & hostile.
@@JonBonner84 Yes, people unknowingly are describing themselves as something other than their diagnosis. Many, many people in groups for ADHD are unknowingly describing themselves as bipolar & claiming no help or relief from any meds; Non- stimulants or stimulants. Almost all have claimed to been diagnosed by teachers, "therapist" & NOT PhD's or MD's that are qualified. I have studied on the subject for over 30 yrs & have attended seminars on ADHD. I was usually the only non - PhD or MD present. I also have first hand experience & knowledge of life skills, treatment, therapy, educational skills, etc that are beneficial to Children & adults w/ ADHD. When someones symptoms or traits don't match ANY form of DSM for that diagnosis it is extremely obvious!
@thcirblueerf What does my resume have to do w/ ADHD? I have studying & researched on the subject for 30+ yrs. My observation of this particular group chat comes from decades of research & personal knowledge. How about you?
@@Twiti47 Anti depressants where should I start? 1) I was misdiagnosed for yrs as a child & teen & into early 20's. Females w/ ADHD often present as withdrawn/shy &/or physically hyperactive. I was both. 2)Every Anti depressants known was tried on me. Results ranged from severe allergic reactions, hives, moderate improvement of mood on very first day & no effect after 2 weeks. & aggression. Also, boarder line psychosis ( w/ Prosac). 3)The best success I have had is from a Non- stimulant brand called Starters( Generic-Atomoxetine). 4) Best result for Depression, Anxiety, Stress is holistic approach w/ herbal supplements. With research & consult w/ both PhD Psychologist & MD Psychiatrist over 8+ weeks in an out patient day program. I found: Optimal Effects- Anxiety Formula Sold on line for $15.97 for 60 capsules. Has 8 out of 10 herbs & vitamins recommended for Depression, Anxiety & Stress. My multi- vitamin has the other 2( magnesium & zinc). Hope that helps. Btw: Anyone w/ a genetic predisposition for Bipolar Disorder; meaning a Parent or Grandparent was diagnosed w/ bipolar disorder has a VERY high % chance of having negative reactions to pharmaceutical anti depressants. Consult your Doctor
What makes ADHD different is hyperfocus. ADHD sufferers can hyperfocus to the point were time loses meaning and we will forget to do critical things. We also don’t have control or say on what we will end up hyper focusing on or how long we will be hyper focused for.
I was diagnosed with bpd (borderline p' disorder) and my partner recently asked if I would check out of I might have adhd. I asked in my fb bpd group and many of them are diagnosed with adhd and even ptsd. I notice I struggle to retain information and can get very confused by noise, lights and environment. I struggle to focus and when people talk to much I have to sometimes look down to process what people are saying but other times if there are no other distractions I'm fully focused. My entire family are sensitive to noise. I do think meditation and yoga are ways that have helped me most and need a lot of time in nature. I'm wondering if it's the sensory thing the interviewer just mentioned.
I genuinely believe I had depression as a child. I threw tantrums because I couldn't feel happy, and I could not concentrate at school so I kept getting in trouble. My mum knew something was wrong, so I had multiple examinations including EEG. The doctors were testing for ADHD and learning disorders, but I wish they sat down and asked me how I felt. Looking back I am certain it was depression, possibly anxiety too. I am much better as an adult. I'm trying to take responsibility for self-healing, BUT I just feel like I need closure about my childhood condition, even after all these years. I just want an explanation for my behaviour.
I'm not sure if I have ADHD. I have some symptoms, like fidgeting (LOTS of fidgeting), asking to go to the bathroom about 7 times a day because I'm sick of sitting in the classroom, and not listening or daydreaming if, let's say, my teacher is teaching us something. But I do well in school, and I'm not exactly a 'trouble maker', and I do sometimes interrupt or don't use manners, but I always know if I do that straight after, and most of the time I wait if I want to speak.
This is very interesting! Years ago, I was searching online about hearing and understanding problems I always have. I didn't know much about ADHD, and back then I found about sensory issue. I couldn't get a chance to take any test for that. Years go by, my attention deficit gotten much worse and realized I have very similar adult ADHD symptoms. Recently, I searched a psychologist who specialize in ADHD around my town and had a quick free chat with her. She basically told me that I didn't have significant ADHD symptoms when I was a child, so it is least likey I have ADHD, which I hear different opinions on your channel or others'. I was also told by her that what would it do to you if I get diagnosed with ADHD, if I need accomodation for work..otherwise, what for, pretty much. I do want to know whats going on in my mind. I don't expect her to tell me Yes you seems to have ADHD, so lets do assessment. but I felt totally rejected by this psychologist because she didn't offer any better suggestion, other than seek a therapist who has experience with attention issues,, even through I had told her anxiety&depression meds was not working with my busy mind and body (rather getting worse).
PLEASE know you got exactly the amount of CORRECT info thatt you paid..... "0" "ZIP" PLEASE DELETE THAT CONVO FROM YOUR BRAIN. Search for a "PSYCHIATRIST" that specializes in ADD/ADHD. OF COURSE you can have Adult ADD & NOT hv been DX as a child! How many kids were & were NOT tested? I mean, that's RIDICULOUS, SMH! 🙄 Listen to your gut, find a GOOD PSYCHIATRIST, which can be challenging so DON'T GIVE UP! You may or may not have ADD, but I can tell you that more than likely if you are put on an ADD medication you'll KNOW very quickly! Usually ADD meds ONLY work if you are TRULY ADD! Now this has been MY EXPERIENCE & I am NOT A LICENSED ANYTHING, LOL 😅 Just be your OWN BEST ADVOCATE & TAKE CARE OF YOU! God Bless 🙏
Bingo. Diagnosed at 5, now 60, HSP/SPS is the cause and not ADHD or ASD as so many had tried to tell me later in life. My sensitivity is more on the opposite side as opposed to having issues digesting stimuli. Body language is my greatest strength, not a disorder. Dr. Judy is the best.
I don't want to rush or say I have adhd for no reason. I'm not sure, but I think I have mild/moderate adhd. These are not for sure reasons, but I have a difficulty focusing on many things, I can't stop moving as people say "fidgeting". My brother was diagnosed with adhd, my mom has slight adhd and my dad has add. But again, I don't know for sure and I'm hoping I can go to the doctors to test if I have adhd or just something else.
Yeah I'd say that if there's so many people in your family that have it, there's no harm in mentioning it to them. There's obviously a strong genetic component there! You could just see what they suggest
Probably your fidgeting is just your way of trying to concentrate/stay focused on stuff. Particularly if you're in a class that you don't find very interesting/engaging. I often just used to talk too much during classes I didn't like in school- which I think is way more disruptive! 😅 I hate this whole thing of people being expected to just "sit still". You just do you and maybe go and have a chat with your family!
i've had adhd since i could remember and i have been put on every adhd med under the sun from concerta to vivance to adderal. i wasn't misdiagnosed bit personally i think psychiatrists are a lot more eager to diagnose young children just for exhibiting childlike behavior such as hyperactivity or inattentiveness in more amounts than their peers and i think that is really harmful considering how easy it is to get hooked on stimulants and how detrimental the side effects could be for someone who isn't quite old enough to point out how their meds are affecting them. there should be some sort of an age limit.
I didn’t even realize I had an attention issue till people around me started telling me that they would talk to me and I wouldn’t respond by going off what they said and when I was in school they told me I had a learning disability because I would always go off topic with my writing and I never wanted to read because I couldn’t sit and do that for long enough to understand it. I’m now getting treated for adhd with medication to see if it’s affective. So fair I haven’t noticed much of a difference but I do feel slightly better.
I'm just annoyed that some days i can listen to music and read a book that i really want to read but then the next day I'm cleaning the fridge or just walking around or scrolling through my phone stressfully and i can never get anything fucking done unless I'm doing it in a place that is only for that thing, and like i have autism but i don't feel like that's linked to this and i know when I'm not processing what someone has said but I'll also just zone out half way through a conversation that I'm fully invested in and it's not trouble processing it just feels like something else and the only thing that I've come across that feels right is adhd but like i don't know unless i get diagnosed and treated but how am i meant to get diagnosed when my parents are responsible for making appointments and if they do make one they'll say that I have been asking to get tested which could devalue everything I say cause they think i want the diagnosis and like i do but not like that i just want to be able to do the things i want to do without obsessively searching about something that I barely care about or just playing fucking tetris for hours cause that's the least stressful thing to do but if i have other stuff to do then i just do that stressfully. It's not even me doing bad at school, I'm ahead i'm doing great but i can't do any of the homework and i have a year 11 subject next year in year 10 and if i can't do the homework then I will fail at everything and I keep losing things that are really important to me or that i need and my memory is fucking awful, and how am I meant to convince everyone that I'm struggling when I'm doing well in school, I have a job at age 14, I have a couple of friends and that no one saw any of these signs when i was younger? I'm just sick of being called lazy when I do nothing for myself cause i want to do work, i want to draw, i want to read but I can't! I can only read a book if i stop halfway through to read a different book and then pick it back up where i left off and i can only draw during art class or if someone else is drawing with me, instead of doing things i like I'll start researching about something that doesn't relate to me or school, I'll just find something and only think and do things related to that for hours.
@@Millennium_actress not yet but I got an appointment in December since my first doc said that I probably don't need a diagnosis since I get good grades
@@mogenvonbogel7342 if you feel like you don't want to get checked or aren't ready but are sure you have ADHD then maybe try self medicating with coffee lots of people with ADHD feel like they can focus better with it but don't feel very energetic although it can stain your teeth, and I don't know if it works for everyone
When you are Neurodivergent..you are always going to be Neurodivergent. Being an Autistic ADHD myself I can say with certainty that autism and ADHD are neurotypes that differ from the majority neurotype. I use the word majority lightly bc the neurotype in power (the ND community call them Neurotypicals) make the decisions for all neurotypes. A neurotypical trait is gatekeeping another is ableism. Their desperate need to have a homogeneous community has shut other neurotypes out for centuries. Disabled folks have to work hard to stay alive let alone get a diagnosis, in fact often times if you are an adult and do not have your childhood diagnosis records you will be refused evaluations, or evaluators (psychologist, neurologists) denied your evaluation results of CLEARLY Autistic or ADHD as anxiety, social anxiety or depression. Its always those 3 bc they are what Neurotypicals experience from time to time. What's not being understood is ADHD is a naturally occurring neurotype in humans. Just as Autistic is a neurotype. When you are nonverbal, ambidextrous, have "learning disabilities" Dyscalculia Dyslexia and Dysgraphia, are labled with savant, are diagnosed with clinical depression and anxiety, PTSD, diagnosed Autistic and have ADHD..its safe to say that you are Neurodivergent living a world that wasn't built for you or by you or with you. Nothing should be for one type of person in any way shape or form. If you ever see people having a discussion about a marginalized group of people, but no marginalized people are at the table..you MUST question any of "findings". #therealtruthaboutADHD #actuallyautistic #NothingAboutUsWithoutUs #neurodiversity
Also good to know that ADHD can be misdiagnosed as depression or anxiety too. ADHD can make you depressed or anxious. And depression can make you inattentive. It goes both ways. Sometimes only the depression needs to be addressed. Sometimes only the ADHD needs to be addressed.
I have depression and i show symptoms of ADHD, so it could very well be my depression. It definitely hasn't gotten helped, so I'm going to just throw the idea of adhd out there to my parents and if i eventually get my depression treated and symptoms aren't going away, I'll speak up. I just want to make sure before anything
HAHAHA. That was my experience. When I was in my early 20's, I tried speed. It did nothing to me, so I never bothered with it again. 30 years later I've been diagnosed ASD/ADHD. It's been a renaissance for my life. I finally "get it". I'm going to test out the medications in the hope my ever diminishing focus might come back. Fingers crossed.
That’s not true, I don’t have ADHD, I have anxiety and adhd meds (stimulants) made me feel great ! It just makes you feel really good, no depression cause it just made me feel happy and no anxiety cause the meds just made me feel good. But once I stopped taking them, the anxiety and depression came right back. A lot of people want to have adhd now cause they get perscribed adderall and it feels good.
@@Dee-zx9zmWhen people with ADHD take medication for ADHD it helps them focus or "calm down." When people who don't have ADHD take ADHD medication it often gives them a lot of energy, which many people think "feels good." ADHD medications can have many other medical uses besides treating ADHD, but if a patient appears to "calm down" and is able to focus there is a good chance that patient has what we call ADHD. The amount of people who become calm after taking these drugs is irrelevant. If people are being diagnosed with ADHD that don't calm down when given the medication, they might be MISDIAGNOSED. And even then, the medication might be helping the patient in other ways, but because of stories like this, the drugs are becoming a hassle to prescribe. So, it's probably easier for a doctor to diagnose the patient with ADHD so the patient can get the helpful medication and the doctor won't loose his license. Maybe that's over diagnosis? Did I answer my own question? LOL
just had my adhd test a few days ago, they had a lot of questions related to depression that i had to answer but tbh i’m not really depressed, so hopefully i get an accurate answer/diagnosis, i do have a past w anxiety but since i began college it basically went away/lessened. i’ve been having adhd symptoms since childhood
Thank you, for years when there are two sounds at that same time, my brain doesn't process information and I have no idea what was said. Who knew ... Sensory Processing Disorder was the cause the entire time? Thankful to know about this, yet it has caused anxiety over the years.
That could also be Auditory Processing Disorder depending on how/what you're experiencing. I have APD and in a room with lots of sounds it can be nearly impossible to differentiate what's being said and by who. I would often get overwhelmed, not because I couldn't deal with the sensory input, but because I knew that the people around me were expecting me to be able to discuss/respond to the things being said and I couldn't process out what was being said, so then I'd have anxiety. Man, I put forth so much effort listening to people and it's so irritating when someone says "God! You're not paying attention at all!" when I've had to ask them to repeat themselves for the 4th time.
@@smm855 Thank you for your response! That's exactly what has happened to me ... once I see the frustration on someone's face, that causes anxiety to rise within me. I can completely relate!
Funny how tables turn when people get misdiagnosed with their major depression and panic disorder being in focus but infact my childhood pretty much revealed a very prominent form of ADHD. 10 years of trying to help the depression never showed any success and I always thought I'm just not trying hard enough even tho I worked so hard to fight my mental instability. Getting medical treatment for my ADHD made my panic disorder soothen down drastically as well as my depression. Sometimes it's the other way around and I think that's very interesting while viewing the percentage of how many children and adults get misdiagnosed with ADHD but maybe have a major depression instead. Mental Issues are really hard to assess
So true. So much overlap in Anxiety, depression BPD, ADHD . It would be easier to get a brain scan and see a psychiatrist and do hormone/ brain chemical testing , then you could avoid the confusion. The separation of medical and Psychological fields over complicated things.
Thank you for the video. I would recommend for anyone diagnosed with anxiety, depression, bipolar or whatever get evaluated for ADHD. If you are getting treatment for any psychiatric disorder and not improving you need to get evaluated for ADHD. Keep in mind women presentation of ADHD are different from men so you need to be careful. God bless
You can also gain Anxiety or Depression alongside the fact that you have ADHD. You are anxious and depressed because you have ADHD and it can wreck your life.
I'm so fucking sad now looking back at my childhood. All the adults in my life really sucked, but at least they didn't beat me with a stick? I hate living.
The thing about the kid not being attentive in school because it's boring does not necessarily disprove ADHD. Because ADHD attention is often interest-based. If something is interesting they can attend. If it's not interesting, no matter how they try, they cannot.
Exactly lmao the problem is if something isn't mentally stimulating, you CAN'T make yourself focus on it, because its not stimulating enough....You're bored of everything because everything is boring other than the things you personally have interest in. People really don't understand this shit lmao
“Come back to me in 3-4 months” is the most demoralizing thing you can say to someone who is presenting with ADHD symptoms and cannot sustain attention or complete tasks in their day to day life. It’s not this psychiatrist’s fault- it’s a symptom of psychiatry and mental health in general being WAY too slow to diagnose & treat. We need bio markers for these incredibly difficult to treat diseases that often overlap to help get to a diagnosis and therefore treatment faster. Much, much faster. This is extremely frustrating.
I'm 58 and I'm bipolar 1 ADHD and I got a concussion about 4 months ago and I'm just now trying to get on a medication because there's so many side effects I would give up and it's left me in a very very hopeless state and very depressed
Wait so if I have mood swings, Agressiveness, sadness, Getting easily distracted, cant sit still, and cant complete school work, so would that mean I have it or I just have somethings to work on?
It never hurts to be safe, and that definitely sounds like more than something that you can "just work on". If you have the opportunity, go see a professional.
This theory of misdiagnosis is antiquated and in my opinion kinda dangerous. It makes it sound like ADHD is this terrible disease and a diagnosis that should be avoided at all cost - and yes it is difficult but for me as a person with severe adhd the worst part about it is the treatment from other people. I wasn’t diagnosed until I was 40 because after being yelled at constantly I learned how to mask it. I never knew what the hell was going on, but who cares as long as “the world” isn’t annoyed right? I even found myself filtering myself with doctors in an attempt to appease them because they were so reluctant to have the ADHD talk.
When I was 5-7 I lived with people who were extremely harsh, abusive even, so when i moved back in with my mom, I had a lot of outbursts and had no control of my anger or whatever else could have been contributeing, my school sent me to a padded room because they believed I had ASD, they isolated me until I was calm, some times I would fall asleep, or start crying.
I'm not diagnosed with anything, so I can't say for shore it could have just been cptsd, but my mom believes I had ADHD before being sent there, so it could have been a cause of both, and being so young I don't know what to do with all of it, so I don't remember any of my traumas but I do remember some parts and one part when I think of it... It hurts... I only remember getting in trouble then all I get is an emotions that's extremely strong, not a picture just plankness in my mind and a rush of hurts, not physically, I'll start to feel weak, and I feel an emotional pain, Im not God at explaining sometimes I stuggle so hard to figure the feeling out I'll break down and repeat "I don't know" some times I'll hurt myself(hitting, pinching, and digging my nails into my self) I feel calm and it's starts again like a pulse, but when I try and describe the emotions them selfs every word or assumption Doesn't fit, every describtion I've said so far doesn't feel quite right, I'm confused and that in its self consumes me and makes me forget the real reason and sometimes my brain with non stop cycle of different things as I'm having a breakdown I keep telling my self that there not, it's not what I think, I don't know.... I don't, but this is the best way I can describe it even if it's not completely true.
This is good to know. Soon I’m going to get evaluated with ADHD but I’m pretty sure I have it. My brother has it and has been diagnosed over 10 years closer to 15 years. However, because I did well in school nobody told me nothing. When I was little my mother had to seat with me to study but I learned everything quickly, and in middle school I talk a lot in clase (more than ever), I also did my homework (due the same day) during my other classes. I didn’t need to study as much so I never had many problems except “you could be an 4.00 GPA if you study more” (instead of my 3.50) and I started to get anxiety that has worsened with time. In college, my concentration is also worst. And a few years back, I said to my mom that if colleges gave one class a month like in summer, I would have A in all my classes. When I was in my dorm, I used to clean and organize my room (I avoid it most of the time) instead of doing my work. I used to think that it was because I work better under pressure. And don’t let me start in how many things I have lost or forget for days over my whole life. To the point that it was like it never existed. However, I’m open to other options and hopefully I get treated and get better because I’m really afraid to mess up at work (when I finish college), and something bad happens.
The truth is many conditions and disorders overlap in terms of symptoms. Diagnosis is difficult. Practitioners vary in experience, specialty, and approach. At present, multiple disciplines have the ability to diagnose and prescribe medication for psychiatric disorders. Examples vary by state and include : MD, DO, PA, NP, and Psy.D. Trial and error with regard to medication seems to prevalent.
I’ve never heard of a Dr of Psychology being able to prescribe any medications and I’ve worked in the pharmacy for almost 2 decades. This is outside their scope of practice since they do not study medications the way MD like Psychiatrists do. Psychiatrists of course prescribe a lot of medication.
I was diagnosed with ADHD after being "diagnosed" with depression and failing 3 years of uni. No problems in high school, actually excelled (even though I literally never studied), but uni hit like a brick. Don't forget folks ofc there can be false diagnoses, but also A LOT of diagnoses that are either late or never happen
I dont have Bipolar disorder however i do have Borderline I'm still very convinced though that i haave Adhd too i know you gotta be careful with diagnosing yourself but wherever i go i feel like.im not taken seriously because im an adult and a woman. They don't even try to go through it and instead get annoyed by me not focusing oe forgettih simple tasks when ive done my best my entire life but i just seem to have an issue in my brain that no one can explain , but i do notice i have ALL symptoms of Adhd its ridiculous I just want to have a real diagnosis about it and done. and if its not adhd i wanna know what else it is because this is so frustrating Sorry for the rant but this felt good PS: sorry if i have spelling mistakes im slowly going blind
I Deff have ADHD, couldn’t do my homework when I was a little kid my grades would suffer because I was completely disorganized and would constantly save tasks for later on but still never complete them. In class I’d be listening to words and nothing would be retained in my brain, I’d read a few pages of a book and get asked a question about what I just read and would completely forget. I wish I was prescribed meds when I was a kid I feel like my life would’ve been changed.
Dont forget DMDD!! Please do a video on this and the difference between childhood bipolar disorder and co-morbidities. It was first in the DSM 5 in 2013 but MANY practitioners are not familiar with it.
@@Darknight3701_ I feel much better. My depression and anxiety are much better. My concentration is better. I’m working harder in my life. Moving out soon. I would Ultimately like to get off the medications slowly and see how changing my Environment could help. Live in a toxic Environment. Have complex ptsd along discovering that I could be empath. I’m thankful that the Medications got me to a point where I can move on with my life and not be paralyzed. I personally would Avoid medication unless absolutely necessary. I cannot afford to wait on CBD to work for me. Marijuana couldn’t help and I was afraid to do shrooms. Maybe I can Microdose on psychedelics or I might need anything. I’m also more about Intermediate fasting. And Meditating Which I plan to do more in my positive environment. This is random but In regards to depression. It was a story about a person that decided to commit suicide by not eating for a few days which actually cured his depression and while he was researching he came across intermediate fasting. Which turned out is what he did initially to kill him/her self.
@@gb3113 You seem to have learned a lot about yourself and your environment- That's important. It's great that you're doing good! I'm really glad to hear that and, I wish the best for you! 😊
I’d like to know whether or not I suffer sensory processing disorder. If my cat sits on my lap for an amount of time. It can take hours give or take for then sensation to go. I hate it. Have similar problems when I switch between shorts and trousers.
You can have comorbidities with all of these and ADHD. I have ADHD with SPD depression, anxiety, and PTSD. I went 35 years thinking I was a rejected foster kid with the idea that my fuck up brain was the reason no one wanted me. I went through EMDR therapy, got my trauma depression and anxiety under control, and found I was still struggling executive dysfunction. My brain on caffeine and Adderall is a bullet train on the correct rail. Off it my brain is a bowl of spaghetti noodles in a trash compactor. My thoughts are hard to grip onto and I follow the dopamine like a drug addict. However, even on meds I have SPD. Sounds are always to loud, lights are always to bright, and I have almost zero spatial reasoning. I'm covered in bruises from running into things that I didn't remember where there. ADHD is incredibly complex and needs more research beyond the behavioral issues it causes.
And a side note, on Adderall, my PCOS related dymonorhea is now very well controlled with far less pain medication required to make it so. I'm also not hyper focusing on my stressors, and my backpack is getting progressively better. I've been off my meds for about a month due to some insurance issues, and quite frankly, it sucks. My life before the meds was unbearable, and knowing what life can be makes this realization extremely emotional. I had no idea how bad it was until I had to go back to it.
Sometimes I can’t control my Right or Left leg from shaking and the slightest noise or some fly in my room prevents me from concentrating on my Study and for some reason unintentionally I don’t really mind the consequences of my talking and just say stuff I shouldn’t in public and some other stuff I find it hard to sit on a chair and start walking in circles making my own story or another idea that completely distracts me, and walking in circles got me into some trouble because I can’t sit and Study or do anything else for more than an hour then I get bored and start walking in circles I noticed I have horrible Planning and a bad time management that’s why I’m here I wanted to make sure and I think I have ADHD tell me if these are correct ADHD symptoms or I’ll find the solution somewhere else
It's hard to say- for me a whole hour of sitting and studying sounds like a long time, unless it's a subject/a topic that you like- that's different. But you do sound very restless and/or like you have a lot of energy to burn. Have you tried taking your walks outside sometimes, going for long walks around the block instead of just walking in circles inside? Even if I still can't concentrate when I get back from walking, I will generally find that I'll feel a bit less restless (for a while), and sometimes I'll even unintentionally develop some ideas on how I'm going tackle my study when I get back. Or if that still doesn't work, if you have to remember stuff for a test and you don't like sitting down, record yourself speaking your notes/reading from you textbook on your phone, then head out with headphones/earphones on, and again just go a walk, or a run (if you like running), and listen to your recordings (I have aced tests in this way!) Or bring your notes to a park and pace around while reading them aloud.
I think you also have to ask yourself, say you were late all the time or late to hand assignments in. Does it bother you? Do you feel like you're trying your best and you're not succeeding, you keep trying to concentrate but the words just won't flow or you don't understand the instructions you're given much of the time and spend a long time puzzling over them, or you don't know how to structure what you write? And is this lack of progress, or not turning things in on time, affecting your relationships with people, and do you wish that they could be better? Is your lack of progress specifically, or putting your foot in your mouth, making you feel a little sad/embarrassed/ashamed sometimes? Is your difficulty concentrating on stuff making you feel worried about your future? Or do you just feel like everything's boring and that you don't care about anything? Because if it's the later, I'd be looking in to depression first before ADHD. If you're still finding joy in stuff though, but a bit worried about your concentration, I'd be looking into ADHD as well as other possible causes that might be affecting your learning, like learning disabilities, lack of interest in what you're studying (is it possible to change subjects?), insomnia, or even just being a very high energy person (with or without ADHD) and needing to exercise more or play more sport! Be more specific with people, that's my advice; like hey "I'm having a hard time doing my homework because I don't know what to write. I feel like I have writer's block or I don't understand the instructions I've been given. Could you help me?" Or "I can't seem to concentrate on my homework because I don't find it very interesting. I know that if I was more interested in this topic, that I could get a lot more work done. Do you have any ideas on how I could make it feel more interesting or more relevant to me?"
Did you get in trouble in school/ in college with the walking in circles? Like in a classroom setting? That sounds like a hallmark symptom of hyperactivity! But I'd also be asking myself, have I had this habitat of not being able to stay seated in a classroom setting for a long time, or is it just a recent thing?
I really dislike how doctors and therapists like to say everything is depression and instead of putting them on the feared amphetamines you get their bodies hooked on antidepressants but you know what??? Depression is caused by something right?! Depression is a secondary illness, and is almost always comorbid with other mental or learning disabilities... My aunt and uncle were on antidepressants and therapy for 30 years and still committed suicide... So pless depression has a reason ...don't just lump everything into depression because that means while you are farting around waiting for drugs to kick in to help the depression the person is having to deal with the cause of their depression without any help
Hello Dr. Ho, Please I want to find out why ASD is found chiefly in American children than other children from different context other than the United States? Thank you
I read in the NICE guidelines to treat for ADHD first, if Depression is a long standing co-morbity and treat Depression first, if it is presenting less than 6 months.
Most kids are hyper/restless when they don't understand the schoolwork or too smart for it and they're bored. And if the kids are overwhelmed with TMI or too many activities/choices given to them at once. Parents must train their toddlers to focus on one thing at a time, step by step, day by day. I just know that I need all my ducks in a row, organized, with the right music/room temperature/ambiance in order to get 100% focused on a difficult or unlikable tasks. But once in the zone, I'm completely honed into the activity.
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Just realized how trash schools are with figuring out whether a child has ADHD (inattentive type). I was once separated from my classroom for a week because I wouldn't complete my work, never socialized with anyone, and yet I wasn't disruptive. They took me to this room and entertained me with a ton of puzzled... because I was able to complete these puzzles with ease they saw no issues with me... Homework and Classwork vs. Fun "hyperfocus inducing" puzzles... yeah...
My school didn’t do that. In fact they made me go to a study hall class to complete homework. In fact all I got was accommodations where I could be in a normal classroom. One of my accommodations was to sit in the front of the class and I needed it more even as I got into high school and it turned out I need glasses.
I 99.9% sure I’m dyslexic but they thought is was my vision I got glasses and I don’t think I needed them but now I have to wear them and It was not easy to get me to wear glasses when I was younger, I didn’t like things on my face and I hated jeans bc they were “too tight” and I don’t like socks that you have to pull up I wear the ones that are more discreet and don’t roll down. And I think they missed my adhd signs bc they were more worried about my dad and his treatment of us (he wasn’t very good) and now I’m not hyper fixated on school anymore and not as eager to please so I’m struggling and I told my family and they agree but it’s not important to them to get a diagnosis.
My mom asked my teachers every year of I could possibly have adhd cuz I had to be reminded of my schoolwork all the time, I kept getting distracted with paper and things on my desk, and more.
The teachers said they weren't worried about it because ig I didn't show the hyperactive part of having adhd.
I'm finally getting checked out for it.
Have something next week to find out if I have it or just have an unusual learning style. Kinda weird since it doesn't just affect me in school but I'm not complaining.
In 6th grade, I was placed in a "gifted" class for a while. Throughout elementary school, I always performed very well, read at a very high level, because I was always reading things that I was interested in outside of school and I also played a lot of role-playing type video games or otherwise more involved games that required a lot of reading, and I usually just outpaced my classmates. For the gifted class, they would round us up from different classes during second period and we'd go hang out in a room and be tasked to do things like building suspension bridges in a simulation or building cohesive, made up fantasy worlds.
I got kicked out of it a few months into the school year because I didn't keep my grades up. I just never did homework. I would sleep through most classes. I would either rush through work and go to sleep or wake up toward the end of a class and do it quickly. My in class work was always excellent. I was praised for my writing and math skills in particular. Hardly ever anything below an A+ when I did the work in class. I just didn't do homework and I was failing most classes.
When I would get home from school, I would go to sleep for a few hours, and then after waking up I would immediately jump into my newest interest at the time, programming. I was learning c++ at 11 years old because I wanted to make games like the ones I played. My issues with sleep were becoming very apparent, or rather should have been apparent, to the adults around me. I just was not feeling tired at night anymore. I would be awake until 3 or 4 am, trying to sleep, before getting up for school at 6:30, then feeling the crash around 8 or 9, struggling to stay awake all day at school, and then going to sleep for a while when I got home. 20 years later and I haven't been able to fix this. My brain wants to sleep from 8 or 9 am until 3 or 4 pm. The only way I keep a normal schedule is by staying tired consistently. 4 or 5 hours of sleep a night, and I'll usually be able to fall asleep around midnight the next night, then up at 5 the next morning. If I sleep in, there's a great chance I won't sleep the next night.
So, there's the story of my early life, which informs my real point here: that it should have been obvious to the adults in my life that something was different, and the normal structure of school and home life wasn't meshing well with my brain. I was obviously very capable, but I just didn't perform the way I was supposed to. Throw me in a room with the other "gifted" kids, and I'd stay engaged with designing that bridge or creating my fantasy environments down to the internal organs of the creatures I dreamt up, but I wasn't mentally present in any other class. I'd bust out a perfect score on ant test, but couldn't be bothered to do homework or remember to bring my backpack to school. I'd stay focused on churning out code, but wouldn't be able to tell you what you just told me 4 seconds ago.
Granted, my parents did make an attempt to figure out what was going on, even took me to some sessions with counselors and therapists, but it was decided that I had emotional trauma from my biological dad (who displayed the same behaviors as I did regarding school and fixating on personal interests, and as I only learned earlier this year, was diagnosed with ADHD as an adult). I was told that I didn't do some things well or attempt things because I didn't think I was good enough or deserved to do well. I never accepted or believed that. Anyone who knows me knows that I can tend to get up my own ass and egotistical about how well I can perform in many areas and that I crave challenge and difficulty. One therapist had me promise my mom that I would stop sleeping when I came home instead of ever trying to address the problem itself. I was told that I was wasting my potential and that I needed to do better in school, and more or less they tried harder to force me into the structure and routine that didn't work for me, and tried equipping me with skills and habits that work for other people.
Also, this was 2001-2002, when ADHD was a fad disorder, getting lots of attention. I think that hurt my chances of having it recognized because so many people either believed it was an excuse or otherwise thought too many kids were being misdiagnosed (I mean, they were and still are).
So, knowing what we know now, it should have been obvious. But, back then, I was "too smart" to have ADHD. I was just lazy, or I wasn't being challenged enough. I'm not saying I was failed. I just hope we continue to do better with recognizing ADHD and other things in children and treat them accordingly.
@@birdwing1232 also sounds like sensory issues on the autism spectrum
its important to note that to people with ADHD that have never considered the fact they might have ADHD, they have no idea their attention span & the constant blur of 100 channels of thought aren't normal. i thought i was dumb for YEARS, up until late highschool age when it was too late to take back a decade and a half of shame, guilt, ostracism, self hatred and confusion as to why i was failing so spectacularly at the same challenges i thought everyone was facing.
the first time i took 10 mg of ritalin i was suddenly aware that i had dozens and dozens of constant blurry thoughts all the time, and i only realized this wasnt normal when they all melded into one steady stream of conciousness. like a broken dam vs a running faucet of focus. one hundred quiet, static filled distant tv channels vs a single clear channel of which you have suddenly been given the remote. suddenly i could CHOOSE to listen, to tune into different things, i was so shocked that i could actually hold onto the sentences my math teacher was saying and realized that i had literally never had complete control of my attention, it had control over me. i almost cried with joy at the realization that all this time, when i had already learned it was easier to bully myself before everyone else did it so at least i made people laugh with my 'stupidity' (dyscalculia, distractibility), i wasn't stupid at all. the entire system just failed to meet my needs and with RSD i was severely emotionally damaged by not only neglect at home that no one recognized but by every negative comment i had ever recieved. hearing 'i wish you would just apply yourself' or 'i know you can do better' when you are working so goddamn hard to even function at the bare minimum level is soul crushing because that IS your best, unmedicated and untreated, and all people want from you is productivity no matter how much it costs you.
its very very typical for it to present as depression and anxiety because those can be BYPRODUCTS of the disorder, often because these children have been shamed, criticized, bullied and chided by parents and peers alike for things they have NEVER been able to control. when you have no idea that everyone else can do things they don't want to do, and you don't know how to express 'i just can't make myself do this, i keep trying' so it is always responded to as if the child is being lazy, all you can see from a clinical standpoint is the byproduct of that adhd and maybe squirming and forgetfulness, easily attributed to the anxiety that they likely ALSO have. because of awful comments. i quit beloved hobbies because i was chided repeatedly for being unable to practice, stopped applying myself academically because eventually i just didn't care. the entire world thought i was stupid anyway so it didn't matter.
then i got diagnosed. i didn't know my memory was exceptionally bad, or that i had focus problems at all... but i WAS losing hours of my day to seemingly nothing, and that's when my doctor noticed a discrepancy in my symptoms. sometimes you can't hone in on concerns about focus because the person with adhd has ZERO comparison (unless they find a medication that works and have somehow already taken the medication) into how everybody else's brain works. instead of targeting the individual, i wish it was more often taken from a different perspective.
'would people say you're forgetful?' vs 'are you forgetful?' people with adhd have had their symptoms minimized and looked down on their entire life with no comparison as to what is the 'ideal' level of function, so of course they might not think they're forgetful. but other people might SAY they are.
i hope that maybe the critisism adhd people face can be used to help scope out the disorder in those that have it, it is a genuine condition and should not be slapped onto whatever child is causing problems. ADHD is a serious difference in not only cognitive function but also the levels of certain chemicals in the brain, stuffing a neurotypical or even just non-ADHD kid with stimulants is doing far more harm than good when maybe they need their home life looked into instead.
for anyone suspecting they have adhd, try to record yourself. watch how you talk, see how often you jump from topic to topic or wiggle and fidget, maybe just space out, recording yourself going about your day gives you insight into not only how everyone else sees you but also how you behave. i recently recorded myself & i cannot BELIEVE i went under the radar. without medication i can barely hold a coherent conversation
This deserves more likes man-
Adderall just makes me hyper focus.
Hard to switch topics or try new things.
In nature, people that can't function are sent into exile for a reason. They drag the tribe down. They shouldn't breed.
@sarahrobertson634 Actually, there's an entire theory on how 'ADHD' as it has come to be known as a deficit in our society as we've made it, was once an advantage during times where it was absolutely imperative that some groups of humans in a tribe had lower sleep needs and a different circadian rythm, high pattern recognition, low tolerance for inane tasks but also be able to enter hyperfocus, etc. Neurotype diversity would have likely been an advantage then, as you have different people with different skillsets alert at different times and able to excel at certain tasks. ADHD is largely hereditary, people with ADHD survived long enough to breed all the way down to us. The functionality in a society we as humans quite literally made up isn't as much a point toward eugenics, but toward shifting the attitude of said created society. I can't do some things a neurotypical could do too well, but I can also sustain focus for 12 hours without even needing to eat, drink or rest to complete either a very very large task or several dozen smaller tasks with no planning or forethought, in a manner that most neurotypicals would need stimulants to achieve. I've always done several weeks full of work in a few days and gotten above average results, and I can thank hyperfocus for that. The deficits come from an academic and social system built only to support a single static way of learning.
In nature, we would probably excel. But our societies at this point are meant to work you until you break, and that can be awful when focus on unwanted topics comes at a price. If I could have persued the topics I fixate on, I would've flew through it with flying colors. ADHD doesn't hinder intelligence, and in some aspects it has huge positives, the deficits only come in when you take into account the structure we based our societies upon. I'm an extreme example, and I've gotten a lot better since the four months. But ADHD is actually of the 'disorders' (nowadays yes, past times they may have been advantages) that can have equally strong positives as the negatives if you hone it. Fun fact, Leonardo da Vinci is thought to have had ADHD as well, and we wouldn't have Microsoft without it either as Bill Gates has also been suspected to have ADHD. Ted Nelson had ADHD, and he influenced essentially the entirety of internet as we know it today, as well as Michael Phelps, Simone Biles, so on. ADHD is very much an impacting but not exclusively negative neurotype, and my comment poorly expained that ADHD isn't solely negative.
I'm strictly under the belief that anxiety disorders can be caused by ADHD. Your mind is constantly racing from ADHD, so you build anxiety thinking about things. I was treated for my anxiety three years ago, and I quickly figured out that I had ADHD and it was causing my anxiety.
Its more common that anxiety causes adhd symptoms. Euphoric effects can help anxiety, the issue people have is tolerance makes it go away. you can tell after 5-8 yrs tbh
When you treat the anxiety and executive dysfunction is still there then the anxiety is not the cause of the symptoms
I agree. I have OCD and I am very sure I have ADHD and am seeing my Psychiatrist.
A study showed an “estimated” 20% of children were misdiagnosed with ADHD. If true, don’t forget that means 4 out of 5 diagnoses are accurate.
But how can you tell if they are misdiagnosed ADHD is not on objectively defined.
Also doesn't show how many people are never diagnosed or diagnosed as adults
Exactly, very Biased and Slanted information given in this video by this doctor. Keeps perpetuating a negative bias making it harder for those whom are affected to get a correct and accurate unbiased diagnosis, so suffering continues or gets worse.
@@BL4K_B4BIES That is the only reasonable post
@@BL4K_B4BIES that’s the Professional’s responsibility, I wouldn’t know better as a patient
As a phd psy many of these disorders are also misdiagnosed when adhd is the cause, and children go into adulthood suffering with adhd being treated for years for depression, anxiety, mood disorders.
Exactly! UA-cam experts on Bipolar and Depression act like they know better when THEIR PATIENTS probably have undiagnosed ADHD and they just refuse to see it.
As a Psych student working toward a PhD (specifically focused on ADHD, as it turns out) this ubiquity of what I can only classify as misinformation is just downright infurating.
I have watched 3 different PhDs in Psych on UA-cam Dunning-Krueger their way through a 10 minute video on "how ADHD is actually overdiagnosed", when in reality it is becoming harder and harder to deny that we just misunderstood ADHD. It doesn't go away, and it doesn't always manifest itself exclusively in people who society has deemed to be "struggling". People who mask well get left out of the conversation entirely; women go underdiagnosed, adults go underdiagnosed.
How many people have you met who were like "I had ADHD as a kid but I grew out of it"; And now they can pay attention in a conversation/class, but they forget to pay bills, forget to do laundry, forget things when getting groceries, struggle to do chores, forget where their phone/wallet/key are, and live an a pigsty because they *can't* force themself to clean?
Oh sure, you grew out of it all right.
And these "experts" never even mention what ADHD does to your executive function. FOR SHAME!
I was diagnosed with depression and anxiety aged 16. For 12 whole years I was like. Of course I'm sure those have been there but ADHD explains so much and why certain things I intuitively did to keep life good/balanced helped me so much. I was put in ballet, musical lessons. I was very productive with certain kinds of music.While it's not the sum of me it's always at the back of mind and i can take care of myself better.I also now understand the ways in which I am socially ostracized as due to the profound difference in how I think etc. ADHD in my experience is noticable and makes you very different to others or unique without them quite understanding how or why. For instance my intellectual energy and even physical is I think so unusual for my age it's made even me question myself. I also now know that when my life isn't balanced I can have medication.
This THIS THIS this happens way more often especially as a woman... they will almost always try to diagnose you with a mood disorder on its own
All of the disorders they are listing a disorders that can literally go hand in hand with adhd
i AM 47 because i am smart and can talk when I need to. basically I can fake it to make it. Also being mostly the inattentive type. I have been diagnosed different things but mostly dysthymia aka persistent depression disorder. I finally was diagnosed ADHD and it is making a difference. The ADHD caused the depression.
I wasn’t “performing” as well as my dad thought I could in school when I was young, so we both went in for an ADHD test (he thought I had it) but it wound up my Dad had it and I didn’t.
That’s weird. Adhd is actually highly inheritable. If a parent has it the chance that their child has it is actually at about 70% and vice versa
@Ivan Well I mean it’s not impossible but if OP had the feeling that they had ADHD and even got tested AND their dad ended up having it I would try to get tested at another psychiatrist as well because that still seems a little strange to me. But hey that’s just my humble opinion.
Definitely get tested again if this becomes a problem later in life. School is highly structured so success is easier than when things are less structured, if adhd is a problem.
… we-
@Ivan Umm…40 off is a significant deviation.
Therefore, yes it’s weird.
It’s weird that you’re normal when your father is not and it was only one professional anyways.
Several others might disagree with the first
As someone who has ADHD and recovering CPTSD: anxiety and depression can result from how you are treated by your community with undiagnosed ADHD. My depression decreased by 60-70% after being diagnosed with ADHD. The deep shame about my blunders that caused the depression was gone.
ADHD has such a bouquet of issues, not just restlessness and inattention. You may also have sensory issues like e.g. sensing every clothing tag/sock seams, eating irregularities because you forget, sudden exhaustion meltdowns as a kid, a "short fuse", strong physical reactions to joy/excitement, stimming/fidgeting like the restless leg/pressing a biro over and over, problems with organization, reacting strongly to positive stimulation like rewards/sweets.
This! Shes obviously not an expert. So many psychologists talk about AHDH like it's just a concentration issue and its really frustrating. There are so many aspects to it, many of which aren't mentioned in the DSM so are ignored.
I agree with you.
Honestly even feeling i'm almost sûre i have it, gives hope, and indeed the dépression has decreased..., unfortunatly where i live, ADHD is not well known, because i'm not hyperactive my therapist just said i was depressive..., he barely talked to me for 2 minutes, and ruled out ADHD just because he doesn't know there is an inattentive type to it...
I used to hate myself, asking myself why everyone can do it and not u ??? Why am i like that..., knowing it could be ADHD just makes me much kinder to myself... And i don't feel bad about all the things that i've missed in my life...
I can't imagine how it could be if i confirme the diagnosis, or get à proper médication, life would be so sweet...
But of course, not being able to have a proposer diagnosis puts me in a big dispair too sometimes...,
gotta find à way to get it right
Me in a nutshell
Yes. This video and information is severly flawed!
It should be mentioned that if a child can not keep up attention at school, neither at home in general - but can be very focused for quite some time playing computer games or doing sports or a another specific area, then that is actually a big hint towards ADHD - keyword: hyperfocus.
I think it's perseverance and not hyper focus according to Barkley (Although personally I've always felt hyper focused...like, I could go without going to the bathroom for hours if I played or did something else that had my full attention...Lo which is annoying because you know what happens next... and that was almost a setback for me because I learned to go to the bathroom before I was even a year old (I'm going to be tested for ADHD in a few days).
@@AraeS result?
People watching this video: _paying attention to the video_
Me: “Why is her teeth blue?”
Me too 😂😂
Same. And thinking about how she did here eye makeup 🤣
Same laugh😂😂
Respectfully, I find these comments offensive. I am not suggesting every ADHD diagnosis has to be right. Even the best doctors can misdiagnose a serious illness as a common cold. But it is very dangerous to dismiss associations between untreated ADHD, anxiety and depression.
Try living a life with untreated ADHD, constantly being told since childhood you’re dumb, lazy, selfish, not trying hard enough, not good enough, why aren’t you like other kids, etc, etc, etc. Those voices become your own voice leading to anxiety and depression. I was diagnosed with ADHD at 46. I never had the support or treatment before then. Instead, I was constantly being punished for not being normal. Even though the diagnosis was the best thing I ever did, but the damage was already done. I live with an inferior complex all my life because of those voices that constantly remind me of my failure at being “normal” and anxiety grew from the fear of failure. I spiralled into depression at one stage. To this day, I still struggle to talk openly about my ADHD because of the stigma associated with it. These dismissing views only add fuel to this stigma fire.
There is so much focus on the “disorder” side of ADHD. What about the benefits like “hyper-focus”? When I turn it on, I can do some of the most amazing things.
I am in the ADHD spectrum and I am not ashamed of it. Not any more.
17 and getting my diagnosis, I've barely handled the years I've been alive struggling w these same issues. I couldn't imagine 46. You're incredibly strong, and I'm really happy you've been able to get the help you need even if it came far too late.
I was told the same thing..Throughout my childhood!
Ditto. Good for you.
Can we get a video about ADHD getting mistaken for something else? I'm sure MedCircle doesn't intend any harm with this, and I'm certainly biased regarding this topic, but to me this is yet another piece of media out there in the wild that helps create even more obstacles for people meeting with much needed support, as it approaches the issue of misdiagnosis exclusively from a perspective that reinforces existing notions of ADHD being supposedly overdiagnosed, without acknowledging that, regardless of that, it is (also) *underdiagnosed* , as the slew of adults increasingly getting diagnoses clearly shows (particularly in women, which is just another example of how lopsided/prejudicial viewpoints disenfranchise people from support).
Agreed! Or doctors being biased because you're an adult with some possible ADHD like symptoms that you're concerned about, and just because you're able to sit down (full stop) and you're an adult, and a woman, and you weren't diagnosed with ADHD as a kid, they'll write you off as having anxiety and being too hard on yourself, even though you've been told that you'll lose your job if you don't start remembering things better or learning to focus better on stuff! If you have an issue with your memory and you've always had an issue with your memory then that's not anxiety or depression, but it can create a lot of anxiety over when you'll next mess up, and feelings of sadness and frustration that you can't remember stuff better! (And bad working memories and ADHD often go hand in hand so I'm learning) 😡
I think I have inattentive ADHD. I’ve been diagnosed with: (quiet) Borderline personality disorder. Depression. Anxiety. Social phobia. None of these really fit, as my social anxiety practically disappears when I know I can “meet expectations” or know how to behave in a situation, even if I just met the people involved. My self harm also disappears when I’m not “failing” at everything and instead have a bit of self worth - self aggression results from feeling like such a monumental mistake and burden to be around. Female/XX chromosomes. My depression is alleviated by any number of things, is worst in the mornings, doesn’t seem to have any rhyme or reason beyond all consuming brain fog.
@@StaringCompetition that is actually very interesting. My diagnosis is adhd innatentive, but as you say my anxiety goes away when I know I can meet expectations.
This. This stigma and misinformation stopped me from seeking help for over a decade, although I knew I had ADHD from my collage days.
YES this is exactly what I was thinking
ADHD is not a "mental health" condition - it's a neurological condition. Please take care in your descriptions.
Sure feels like a mental health condition to me. I do understand it is a neurological condition, but mental health is the overarching element here. It definitely affects the mental health. Has me! Badly! Wondering if that's okay to use it in this sense because of that. I keep thinking that my diagnosis of depression really is ADHD. It's depressing to not focus. So, if that is treated and the depression is lifted, would we then lump it all under ADHD and include the mental health that was affected? I say that because we (me and mental health professionals) have been treating depression over and over, but the focus should be on ADHD & I think that is the caveat here. I think if the diagnosis is ADHD and not Clinical Depression, the depression will finally lift. I know what you mean, though, I am just wondering if care is being used and that is the element that is being missed. Maybe they will respond. HOPE SO!
Yes, but it definitely can impact and influence mental health as well.
The problem occurs because society is not made for nurodivergent people, and a lot of the anxiety and depression is caused by trying to ‘fit in’ or ‘keep up’ not as a result of the neurological differences in our brains.
@@leanneodell9816 actually it is a reaction of neurological divergence, ADHD people can have either a smaller prefrontal cortex or a low blood pressure there/ low activity. There’s a 3 years gap between the development of a person without and an person with adhd.
Chilll fuck.
We tried the depression thing and my case ended up being opposite. Treating depression did not help my inattentive symptoms but getting on ADHD meds did, and in turn helped my depression
samee
@@Chloefarm22 I mean, the video is about what looks like ADHD but isn't. In order to help people, both are important.
I’m a Certified Pharmacy Technician and for really bad depression they have used stimulants for ADHD off label to treat the depression and it works. I think they try not to leave you on them but to get you through the low lows it works and gives people the energy they need to get through their day.
@@stephanieburgess8217 😮
Treating depression will help on the depression that way too many with undiagnosed ADHD has obviously. But this is the problem: It stops here many times. Treating depression worked on many of the symptoms. That gives them the right to dismiss the other symptoms and thus make you undiagnosable because it will forever and always just be depression.
It makes me furious.
I really think that the name of ADHD does not help whatsoever. So many people in the comments that are like "it took me 2 hours to watch this video 🤪." Well no. That's not all ADHD is. Guess they've never heard of hyperfocusing
Bro exactly so many people don’t have ADHD or maybe do but it’s like the mildest type ever and claim how hard it is to get attention. So many people I hear say oh my ADHD and I’m like bro I go to a school for special kids because my ADHD is so bad I struggle so much and you obviously don’t it just makes me feel really shitty
It doesn't take me 2 hours to watch something. I find myself speeding up most videos I watch to 1.5 speed, give or take. I've even found myself at times thinking I wish I could speed up the show or movie I'm watching.
To add I don't what that means, if anything at all. I'm going to talk to my Dr tomorrow.
It's more like, I finished this video quicker that 14 mins cause I have it on 1.75 speed and am scrolling the comments
@@mmmmmmmm1942 actual facts Ik u actually have ADHD from that sentence. All these fucking fools trying to get likes and pity by lying about ADHD 🤦♂️ atleast there’s one true person in here.
As a female I was always steered towards a mood disorder. Finally, at 24, being treated for ADHD and it turned off all of the background noise I didn’t even recognize was there until everything was so clear and chill.
Are you getting treated with meds? Been thinking of starting them
that's great food for you haha I not even chill in my sleep and I'm never ever clear I always feel like no mater what I'm doing I'm supposed to be doing something else this never ending scattered brain thing that gives me so much anxiety. I hate it and it's so exhausting too.
@@hikarychan3997 do u take adhd meds?
@@crongusclips7836 no, I've never been tested for it. 🥺
@@vir_rm Did you give it a go?
Gets other people high as shit and they end up somewhere they're not supposed to be.
I think you're doing us all a disservice with this video.
I've had depression and anxiety for as long as I can remember. I never suspected it could be ADHD because "it's over-diagnosed" and because of people who say you just need more disciple and it's a fake disorder and so on.
I have been so close to taking my own life far too many times in the past because of it but I'm lucky because I've always gotten through it.
I hate to think of all the people who weren't as lucky as I, whose lives ended because of the stigma and the hurdles placed before us. Because of videos like these.
I've been getting treatment for depression for 25 years. No change. My parents finally told me that almost from a very young age (4+) I was always easily distracted at home, would often fixate on activities or hobbies and my early school reports all state I had poor organisational/management skills with consistently poor performance in written/home work. I've spent decades in jobs where I could not perform to a good enough standard, often missing deadlines and working all hours to keep up. Finally I'm seeing ADHD-PI making more sense. Definitely working towards getting a diagnosis.
I’m going through a similar thing with work myself atm. I’ve actually been diagnosed recently but my psychiatrist is refusing to increase my vyvanse, so it’s wearing off in the middle of the day which is making everything worse.
Hello Richard I am from the future, did you get a diagnosis?
@@ataarono My assessment is on the 25th - so you’ll have to ask future me again 😅
how about now?
@@rpcheesman Bumping questions above :)
It feels like this video is backwards. I was just diagnosed with ADHD at 34 years old after a lifetime of thinking it was depression and anxiety. Everything I’ve read or seen since then (minus this particular video) says that ADHD is largely under-diagnosed, especially in women.
I’m a psychiatrist myself. ADHD is grossly over diagnosed. 98% of my patients are ADHD related. Most of the people I see I don’t think have ADHD, but I give them medication anyway because that’s how I make money. Sadly, patients don’t understand the really world and most people are so willing to believe they have ADHD
@@joshpoi886, you prescribe meds for a condition they don't have, so you can make money?! What about ethics, dignity and the Hippocratic oath? Shame on you. How dare you.
@@joshpoi886Presuming, “doctor” you are discounting the thousands of older women who spent their lives being dismissed as scattered and stupid, relegated to detail oriented vocations like secretarial work where they were doomed to underperform because of their ADHD. They are known as “The Lost Generation.” Girls continue to be overlooked because they do not typically display disruptive behavior. Either you are lying about your credentials or you are grossly uninformed regarding widely available research and data.
@@AccelerateYourSuccesssorry to break it for you, but most doctors do the exact same thing, on top of not caring a single bit about the patients.
@@joshpoi886 Terrible human
I feel like while this video talks about an extremely important thing, please keep in mind, that ADHD is still widely UNDERdiagnosed. So yeah, there are a lot of false diagnosis. But most of them are false negatives. Especially if you are not diagnosed as a child.
It is also not a surprise that there are so many misdiagnosis, considering that a lot of experts are unfortunately working with knowledge that is extremely outdated. Navigating this world is extremely frustrating...
C-PTSD vs ADHD
OCD vs ASD
Mood and anxiety within the child caused by narcissistic abuse at home vs mechanism within the child to cope with overstimulation in their surroundings
My experience: Peaceful home, relaxed ADHD child
Would love to hear more. Our child can be difficult. It adds layers of stress to the family dynamics and creates a not so peaceful home, which in turn adds to his difficulty. Any insight in how best to break this negative cycle?
@@NHHwng Family Therapy. No child is being difficult on purpose it's usually a lack of proper communication and expectations that are unrealistic.
@@NHHwng
I suggest you read Gabor Mate's book, Scattered Minds.... there are lots of UA-cam videos of him speaking to groups & at meetings & the book has so much more information, including parenting advice.
@@NHHwngDr. Gabor Mate is the person who will help.
He's all over UA-cam
My experience was the opposite, I thought my focus issues were due to anxiety and depression, but they still remained even as depression and anxiety were being treated. Plus, I still had so much anxiety (though it was improved). Turns out it was ADHD 😛
@@dirohuile1125 please don't just casually suggest Adderall as a quick solution to adhd. Doctors would advice against stimulants unless it's a last resort.
Adhd meds make you feel good.
Same!
This!
@@mavericksantos998 my doctor was like… I understand you don’t want to take meds but if you have ADHD you’d need to take them for life.
That sucks. Would need to wait on tests for a year or so.
In my family's experience Under-diagnosing ADHD has been horrifically damaging to three generations of women. I'd like to see All possibilities embraced when looking at a person's struggles. We have each been heavily medicated for anxiety and depression, often with controlled anti-anxiety meds and old school depression meds, as well as all the SSRI. Never was ADHD a part of the duscussion even as these meds didn't help. And yes, decades of therapy, CBT, EMDR, WRAP classes, ALANON....all the skills but nothing making much difference, except to leave us feeling hopeless.
I'm not really understanding why there is such reluctance to try treating the ADHD possibility first. It's not as if the meds for depression and anxiety are harmless and some are controlled substances. Everyone I know who speaks about trying stimulant medications has had an immediate affect to work with much more quickly than the months required for anxiety and depression meds to show a result. That shorter window could save a life.
Same. I strongly suspect my sister who struggled all her life with what was diagnosed as depression, anxiety and an eating disorder as well as several attempts was misdiagnosed. Nothing helped in terms of decade long treatments, forcibly gettig admitted on several occasions etc. As far as I know she never got evaluated for adhd. Which I strongly suspect she had. She's no longer with us since 2017. After learning more about adhd myself and currently awaiting my diagnosis for adhd I think she could have been saved, if just one of all the proffessionals that "treated" her through the years had known how common it is for adhd to be missdiagnosed as all the labels she got from them. She always told me she knew the problem wasn't what they told her it was, that they where just symptoms of something else, she told them that too. But nobody listened.
@@dreadsndogs4406 I'm so sorry. That's such a loss, and extra difficult when there wasn't good care.
I had a similar experience. SSRIs and anxiety meds DBT...but my hyperactive MIND never stopped. I never ever realized I might have ADHD since mine is inattentive (nobody ever even considered ADHD for me) Finally at age 68 somebody EXPLANED that there are 2 types OHHHHHH Hey 68 years of racing mind without relief. You are RIGHT With a mind going 24/7 no wonder I have ANXIETY. Deeply grateful for my greatly slowed mind using Guanfacine!!!!
This seems like a strange way to frame the topic when ADHD is so severely under-diagnosed and misunderstood by so many. There are already too many people convinced ADHD is wildly over-diagnosed to the point they don't even believe it exists. I'd be really concerned about reinforcing those beliefs
It may well be both over- and under-diagnosed; that is, both a high rate of false positives and a high rate of false negatives. This is what I would expect when the evaluation process is (all too often) truncated.
@@briandandurand5661 and/or a high rate of false alternative diagnoses such as anxiety/depression. A therapist told me she saw anxiety and a little depression when I went to see her. Most of my anxiety is about organizational issues and the problems I have with keeping up with all the appointments, housework, and other stuff, not just worries about everything in general, so it's most likely directly linked to my ADHD. Don't know about the depression though.
They do plenty of videos on it. They're not deniers, but there are legit situations where it's misdiagnosed.
trying to get an adhd diagnosis at 19, almost 20 - i was always good at school so all of my other symptoms were overlooked, i even had trichotilliomania as a toddler (i have a permanent bald spot now) and my door would fall off from the hinges because of how bad my room would get (not to mention hypersensitivity, hyperfocus, and auditory issues) and i always thought something was off about me compared to everyone else around me, even my siblings and i would joke that "something is wrong with me" but we just never figured it out. hoping i'll be able to get tested soon and finally get the confirmation i need
Let me know how it goes, In an extremely similar position, and trying to figure out what to do next, same age too
Is there an update I have the same issues as well and have had trichotallomania almost all my life
Update please? I am also going through this at 31 years old. Going to psychologist next week and I am so nervous 😩
@@Bruss390 so far no luck but im gonna try to get a test now that i'm back at school!
@@SharlenesJourney thankfully i stopped pulling my hair but i switched to ripping the skin off my fingers, i'm currently still searching for a place that will help me, hoping the one by my apartment at school will do the trick!
I struggled with anxiety throughout my twenties and still do, people tried to treat it with antidepressants and I went on and off numerous drugs until I was 27 and finally got diagnosed with ADHD. Treating the ADHD helped me to finish school, be able to keep jobs long term, and take care of myself better than I had in my entire life and the anxiety became way less than it used to be. It was life changing being able to wake up and go about my day without a head full of fog.
That's ironic. I keep reading people's comments that they were misdiagnosed with anxiety and depression, and those went away after diagnosis and treatment for adhd. Not the other way around, that treatment for depression made their adhd symptoms go away.
There are always two sides of the coin - I was diagnosed with depression and anxiety when I was about 17-18 with doctors suspecting some sort of mood dissorder either bipolar or bpd when now as 27 I got diagnosed with ADHD and finally treated.
Depression and anxiety is mostly gone as apparently they were caused by my undiagnosed adhd! I no longer have mood swings and mood issues and I'm generally calmer and more confident.
So many years of beating myself up for being undisciplined, lazy and just not being good enough :(
Trying to get help next month for ADHD after years of speculation and suffering. Wish me luck lol, I’m so used to being told I’ts “in my head” ironically, and nothing to be worried about when it’s ruining my life. Love it
In my experience
1.Trauma - physical & verbal abuse home and school ( age 6 to 12)
1.1Witnessed mom & siblings getting Physical abuse ( age 6 - 17)
2. Verbal abuse & bullying( ages 12 to 17)
3. Witnessed mom , siblings and experienced verbal abuse ( age 7- 38 current)
4. 2017 Lost younger brother (32) to overdose. Who suffered from anxiety and depression.
5. I was Diagnosed with ptsd, social anxiety, depression , complex ptsd and adhd. Currently on medications Wellbutrin, Zoloft , snd Ritalin. I would prefer to be on natural medications like Cannabis , Edible marijuana but it gives me more
Anxiety/ panic attacks. I stay away from caffeine. No Alcohol.
All those years I thought I was doing something wrong, I was not smart. I felt ugly. Crazy thing about anxiety is that my body Reacts to anxiety more than my mind does. Especially loud Noises,
People yelling , people Raising their voices. My body begins to feel tension. Feels like I’m Shaking in my boots. Currently I’m doing better. Working full time , started my own business. Working on my anxiety everyday and goals.
I would have to leave the house when my parents or siblings were having loud discussions. I was so confused from the fact that I always felt like I didn’t fit in anywhere, I was (in my mind) unattractive and very, very shy.
Constantly being excluded from other people in classroom (distraction and daydreaming), being put into solo positions in jobs and not having more than one friend at any time in life.
I was diagnosed with autism, adhd, major depressive disorder, anxiety, and complex ptsd and all I know is it is very very hard!
Females REALLY get the short end of the stick because WE are a million times more lightly to express OUR ADHD with a a hyperactive MIND not body. I just kept trying different things until the racing thoughts stopped. Don't give up. Nobody cares more than YOU about getting to the bottom of your illness. Keep reading Get a cooperative PCP who is willing to explore different treatment. At some point, you will find the correct diagnosis by trial and error!! Good Luck👍
My physiatrist told me I could have easily been diagnosed with a personality disorder. While I was being assessed at 36, with a few different medical professionals. I Was diagnosed with anxiety and depression at age 9. At 36 was reassessed and was diagnosed with ADHD.
My parents got divorced and I was 13 and I suffered in school. Now as an adult I have anxiety after a work incident and was put on Ritalin only to find that I worked like crazy until burned out. I have a fear/anxiety issue of people now after trusting so called professional people. Trust in how you feel and follow your own advice on how you feel and react to any meds.
There are so many comorbidities and also overlap with ADHD and that's probably why it's hard to give proper diagnosis. For myself I can say that I have probably been falsely diagnosed with BPD for years and have received treatment for that. Recently I have received an ADHD diagnosis from two independent doctors and started medication. In this month of being on medication I have seen more positive changes in myself than in years of treatment for BPD. Prior doctors were trying to convince me that my executive dysfunction was caused by depression but I've definitely had depression in the past and I could tell the difference and how I continued to struggle even when I didn't feel like I had depression. Then in turn my inability to function was GIVING me depression. So it was a bit of a chicken or egg situation.
I’m in my 30s and JUST NOW this month finally getting help. My doctors thought it was my thyroid… then treated me for depression… and now, finally put me on Wellbutrin and my inattention and anxiety has improved 100 fold. I still struggle with impulsivity and being able to sleep at night, but they have me on another med for that to help my brain slow down so I can sleep lol. It’s crazy how so many of us get dismissed for years and then finally get help.
Why does no one mention CIRS as a cause of mental illness, anxiety, insomnia, forgetfulness, inability to process thoughts, etc. I had this and thought I was losing my mind, and I couldn’t think at all. I felt like I was dying, was asked if I wanted to take some time off teaching high school English, which I did, but couldn’t go back. I had no idea mold was the cause.
My son is now living with his father in a water damaged building, has mental illnesses which have gotten worse as the mold progressed, his anxiety is through the roof, he can sleep, has tried to take his life and talked about it before that and still does. I made him come to live with me,and I’m trying to detox him the way I can without a doctor, because doctors aren’t taught about fungal infections and how it affects the body and especially the brain. Now, he just got out of 3 psychology wards in hospitals, released because of his Medicaid in Michigan, and in a state of neurological psychosis, which has declined to paranoid schizophrenia. We are waiting for “permission” from Molina to get him to see specialists that his own psychiatrist isn’t qualified to treat, and this is a nightmare!
Wow, I have been wondering if mold may have been causing my seemingly increasing deteriorating mental and physical health, but I have a history of depression and anxiety plus last yr I was in an severely abusive relationship with a narcissist. That has given me symptoms of c-ptsd. When I escaped from him I came to live where I am now. The house has mold issues. Part of the home is closed off due to it. The room I stay in is connected by a wall at the rear of the house which is halfway under ground. The yard is always wet. I was told the home building by neighbors behind us has caused drainage problems. I seem to be getting worse with my memory, emotional regulation, organization and executive functioning etc. Plus I feel lethargic and achy. Some days I stay in bed till I actually hurt so much I have to get up. Sleep is not restorative to me. I have been so down at times of harming myself but then then next minute I'm better. I noticed after a few days of rain I'm stuck in bed and what's worse is I'm next to what could be the problem! Id love to talk to you about this if you're willing. Thanks
Good point. And, I may be being exposed, to go along w/ my Nazi induced c-PTSD.
Life $uKs in the RUST BELT!
Me with GAD and ADHD: 👁👄👁
But in all seriousness after starting adhd medication i swear my GAD has just been either a side effect of untreated adhd or emotional disregulation due to adhd. So glad I got the diagnosis to finally get treatment. It would've made my life so much easier years ago had I known how badly adhd disrupted every aspect of my breathing life
After informing myself and reading up on ADHD, its symptoms, and different things like this video here, I'm more and more terrified they'll just look at me and say "easy, major depressive disorder" when in actual fact, I am almost certain that my depressive symptoms are a result of my ADHD symptoms.
@@oiBashyy to be honest... Nothing yet. My executive function has been declining without proper coping mechanisms, and since I turned 18 a few months ago I haven't been able to find a new doctor yet.
I have, however, made an appointment with someone that's gonna help me call up some places and finally get the help I need- but that appointment isn't until September. :/
I had the opposite experience, once my ADHD was diagnosed and treated (in my 40's), my anxiety just plummeted.
I am a Certified Pharmacy Technician and stimulants make anxiety worse not to mention what they do to the heart. The only reason they are given to children is because they are wired differently but when I worked in pharmacy stimulants were not supposed to be treatment for adult ADHD and actually it makes more sense that the brain needs to be slowed down to be able to focus not sped up.. that’s why they tell you if you have anxiety not to drink caffeinated drinks because there is scientific data that shows stimulants make it worse. In fact they prescribe stimulants off label for depression that is not resolved by anti depressants and it works way better than anti depressants for depression as people can actually function and get out of bed because they finally have energy. I’ve been told it’s a miracle drug for depression but most Dr’s won’t prescribe it for depression. I’ve been told most anti depressants don’t work.
@@stephanieburgess8217 I have a Bachelors of Science in nursing (was an RN, let it lapse as I'm not working clinically), and have ADHD and you have your facts completely wrong:
1) Stimulant medications CAN make anxiety worse, but that varies person to person. It's very common for adults who were undiagnosed (and therefore untreated) for ADHD to develop anxiety, depression or both, secondary to the ADHD from trying to "pass" as neurotypical when they are not. In cases like this, it's incredibly common for anxiety to go away, once treatment for ADHD starts.
2) Evidence does not support that simulant medication, taken as prescribed, will damage the heart in any way. In fact, once I started on medication, my resting heart rate dropped like 10 bpm. My Doctor theorized it was because of the decrease in my anxiety from treating my ADHD (it's amazing how anxiety plummets when you can actually remember appointments, know where your keys are, have conversations without interrupting others constantly, and basically aren't waiting for the "other shoe to drop" about what you missed because you weren't able to pay attention.
3) The last thing any brain with ADHD needs is to be slowed down. ADHD brains have less neurotransmitters (mostly dopamine and norepinephrine) in the parts of the brain that handle executive function. The reason that ADHD people can appear to "hyperactive" is because they're trying to stimulate their brain....it's like we're constantly trying to kickstart it, so we can get enough of the neurotransmitters we need. This is why stimulant medications actually calm many of us down. We no longer need to be physically hyperactive in order to be able to focus.
4) Adult ADHD is absolutely a recognized condition, and the standard first line treatment is stimulant medication. There's literally thousands of studies about this.
5) Depression on it's own (so not secondary to ADHD as I mentioned above) is a completely different situation. There many, many people who find that antidepressants absolutely do work. Because they all address depression in different neurochemical ways, often times patients and Doctors need to try a couple before finding ones that are the most effective with the least side effects.
@@stephanieburgess8217 not to be rude but you seem a little out of your league. Stimulants “slow down” people with ADHD, it effectively normalizes their thoughts, impulses, and activity because they’re effectively constantly seeking stimulus. Which the stimulant than supplies allowing them to be more normal.
Now if their dose is too high yes the medication itself can cause anxiety, if a normal person were to take it they to would likely experience anxiety. However if their dose is good it actually slows down the thinking/racing thoughts where anxiety can fluster if the ADHD is left untreated.
@@johnmoore1495 actually this is coming from Pharmacists I have worked with for over 2 decades who had PharmD, Doctorates in how medication work, process and eliminate from the human body. That is where I got my info so if you think it’s wrong then you should reach out to the pharmaceutal industry that brainwashes all that is taught in medical schools including pharmacy school if you think it’s wrong.
As many of the comments say, and as much of the new research shows, It's actually more common for ADHD to get misdiagnosed as Anxiety or Depression than it is for the reverse to happen.
It's like professionals trained between 1990 and 2020 went to some seminar where they said "ADHD is only 4% of the population, so make sure you only diagnose 4% as ADHD", often dismissing ADHD as a childhood illness that goes away. (All the while confusing is for ought)
I am legitimately growing weary from all the Psychiatrists that mostly deal with BPD, Bipolar, Depression and Anxiety thinking that makes them an expert on a condition they know very little about, while attributing every symptom they see to the conditions they better understand.
If you think this... YOU are the one who is uneducated on the topic, degree or no.
@7:05 - You mention the inattention associated with depression and if the depression is well treated the attention improves, What if the depression is helped somewhat, but the inattention is the same or more evident? Then do you look harder at treating the ADHD? Do you continue the depression medication while figuring out the ADHD?
Well the depression could be caused by an underlying issue. Which could be ADHD. Untreated ADHD can lead to depression and anxiety. So if the person treats the ADHD, it could help the depression or anxiety. I would advise to discuss this with you doctor but my mother is on Adderall for ADHD and Lexapro for depression.
I am not an expert but I just wanted to share my own experience that doctors in my area are trigger happy with depression and anxiety diagnosis and treatment, even though all of my depression symptoms can be explained by either ADHD, being depressed about problems cause by my ADHD, or having a normal reaction to life problems. It wasn't till recently that I found out how dangerous depression medication can be for you. I have now learned that I really need to stand up for myself when doctors just take the lazy route of chalking everything up to depression and anxiety.
@@saharaofthedeep Health professionals have been trigger happy with anxiety/depression with me too. They blindly accepted everything I said about anxiety/depression symptoms and insistently tried to push me toward antidepressants but were overly suspicious about everything I said about ADHD symptoms. They were also overly concerned with the fear of having stimulants prescribed to me by mistake which I perceived as a red flag indicating that they would let their diagnoses or assesments of the potential disorders be influenced by the treatment that they wanted to avoid. In other words, they obviously lacked neutrality and objectivity. They've repeated countless times to me that stimulants could make my anxiety worse but not even once one of them had the honesty to mention to me that anxiety symptoms may result from ADHD and that treating ADHD with stimulants first could actually reduce anxiety. I stood my ground and lost to these people (a chain of health workers working together leading to a final assesment with a psychiatrist) and was diagnosed with anxiety and depression.
However, when my family doctor received the report I continued to object and stood my ground. It worked. I got methylphenidate instead of an antidepressant and it was worth it. While not perfect, it helps a lot with attention. I don't get agitated as they said it would do to me but instead it calms me. I get way less mind wandering and distracting thoughts, including the anxious and intrusive ones. And when my mind wanders I notice it more quickly and can bring back the focus on track more easily. In other words, it turns out that stimulants make me feel significantly less anxious. Moral of the story: always stand up for yourself. The stigma around stimulants being evil dangerous drugs is real and some healthcare workers become paranoid the minute ADHD is mentioned to them.
@thcirblueerf it seems like a more hypothetical question to me, no harm in asking questions. It’s not like they can get meds without a doctor anyways for the most part
@@floria9565 I couldn't agree more.. it's such a battle just to get someone to take you seriously about what your going through. Invariably, trying to get help and being treated this way is very depressing and would definitely lower ones mood and sense of hope and can make one actually depressed. And instead of treating the cause of the depression which is not actually depression to begin with. In many case their is a good reason to be 😕 most (even normative) people would be if they had to go through all of that. Instead though, they want to stay treating the symptom not the cause.
I'd love if you guys could make a video about differences in adhd and autism. I was diagnosed as being adhd inattentive type from a young age, but recent talks with my therapist reveal I could very well be on the spectrum.
My Son has Sesory Overload. He covers his ears when loud noises, texture when eating or glitter that touches his skin. He was also diagnosed with ADHD, Autism Spectrum, Axiety Disorder. I was recently diagnosed with ADHD, Anxiety and Insomnia
if you had to rewind this video more than once because you stopped paying attention, STOP doubting yourself, you're in the right place, take your time, dont stress yourself over it anymore, ITS JUST ONE VIDEO!
I think the misdiagnosis is much higher; w/ children & mainly adults. This is based on my experience recently on a facebook ADD group chat. The vast majority of people had no knowledge at all of ADHD & their comments clearly identified misdiagnosis & very odd negative reactions to ADHD meds. It was disturbing to me that so many people clearly have other mental health issues & were on Stimulants. Many were extremely negative & hostile.
Based on your anecdotal experience with a Facebook group huh? 🙄
@@JonBonner84 Yes, people unknowingly are describing themselves as something other than their diagnosis. Many, many people in groups for ADHD are unknowingly describing themselves as bipolar & claiming no help or relief from any meds; Non- stimulants or stimulants. Almost all have claimed to been diagnosed by teachers, "therapist" & NOT PhD's or MD's that are qualified. I have studied on the subject for over 30 yrs & have attended seminars on ADHD. I was usually the only non - PhD or MD present. I also have first hand experience & knowledge of life skills, treatment, therapy, educational skills, etc that are beneficial to Children & adults w/ ADHD. When someones symptoms or traits don't match ANY form of DSM for that diagnosis it is extremely obvious!
@thcirblueerf What does my resume have to do w/ ADHD? I have studying & researched on the subject for 30+ yrs. My observation of this particular group chat comes from decades of research & personal knowledge. How about you?
You seem like a good person to know if antidepressants work for adhd?
@@Twiti47 Anti depressants where should I start? 1) I was misdiagnosed for yrs as a child & teen & into early 20's. Females w/ ADHD often present as withdrawn/shy &/or physically hyperactive. I was both. 2)Every Anti depressants known was tried on me. Results ranged from severe allergic reactions, hives, moderate improvement of mood on very first day & no effect after 2 weeks. & aggression. Also, boarder line psychosis ( w/ Prosac).
3)The best success I have had is from a Non- stimulant brand called Starters( Generic-Atomoxetine).
4) Best result for Depression, Anxiety, Stress is holistic approach w/ herbal supplements. With research & consult w/ both PhD Psychologist & MD Psychiatrist over 8+ weeks in an out patient day program. I found:
Optimal Effects- Anxiety Formula
Sold on line for $15.97 for 60 capsules.
Has 8 out of 10 herbs & vitamins recommended for Depression, Anxiety & Stress. My multi- vitamin has the other 2( magnesium & zinc).
Hope that helps.
Btw: Anyone w/ a genetic predisposition for Bipolar Disorder; meaning a Parent or Grandparent was diagnosed w/ bipolar disorder has a VERY high % chance of having negative reactions to pharmaceutical anti depressants. Consult your Doctor
What makes ADHD different is hyperfocus. ADHD sufferers can hyperfocus to the point were time loses meaning and we will forget to do critical things. We also don’t have control or say on what we will end up hyper focusing on or how long we will be hyper focused for.
I was diagnosed with bpd (borderline p' disorder) and my partner recently asked if I would check out of I might have adhd. I asked in my fb bpd group and many of them are diagnosed with adhd and even ptsd. I notice I struggle to retain information and can get very confused by noise, lights and environment. I struggle to focus and when people talk to much I have to sometimes look down to process what people are saying but other times if there are no other distractions I'm fully focused. My entire family are sensitive to noise. I do think meditation and yoga are ways that have helped me most and need a lot of time in nature. I'm wondering if it's the sensory thing the interviewer just mentioned.
Could also be autism. Sensory overload is really common with autism (which is often genetic). BPD is also a common misdiagnosis of autism in women.
I genuinely believe I had depression as a child. I threw tantrums because I couldn't feel happy, and I could not concentrate at school so I kept getting in trouble. My mum knew something was wrong, so I had multiple examinations including EEG. The doctors were testing for ADHD and learning disorders, but I wish they sat down and asked me how I felt. Looking back I am certain it was depression, possibly anxiety too. I am much better as an adult. I'm trying to take responsibility for self-healing, BUT I just feel like I need closure about my childhood condition, even after all these years. I just want an explanation for my behaviour.
As Salamu Alaikum Anisa I hope you're doing well. Do you do anything now to stay well❤
That piece of paper on the floor is really bothering me, even though my home is a mess.
I'm not sure if I have ADHD. I have some symptoms, like fidgeting (LOTS of fidgeting), asking to go to the bathroom about 7 times a day because I'm sick of sitting in the classroom, and not listening or daydreaming if, let's say, my teacher is teaching us something. But I do well in school, and I'm not exactly a 'trouble maker', and I do sometimes interrupt or don't use manners, but I always know if I do that straight after, and most of the time I wait if I want to speak.
This is very interesting!
Years ago, I was searching online about hearing and understanding problems I always have. I didn't know much about ADHD, and back then I found about sensory issue. I couldn't get a chance to take any test for that. Years go by, my attention deficit gotten much worse and realized I have very similar adult ADHD symptoms.
Recently, I searched a psychologist who specialize in ADHD around my town and had a quick free chat with her.
She basically told me that I didn't have significant ADHD symptoms when I was a child, so it is least likey I have ADHD, which I hear different opinions on your channel or others'. I was also told by her that what would it do to you if I get diagnosed with ADHD, if I need accomodation for work..otherwise, what for, pretty much.
I do want to know whats going on in my mind. I don't expect her to tell me Yes you seems to have ADHD, so lets do assessment. but I felt totally rejected by this psychologist because she didn't offer any better suggestion, other than seek a therapist who has experience with attention issues,, even through I had told her anxiety&depression meds was not working with my busy mind and body (rather getting worse).
PLEASE know you got exactly the amount of CORRECT info thatt you paid..... "0" "ZIP"
PLEASE DELETE THAT CONVO FROM YOUR BRAIN. Search for a "PSYCHIATRIST" that specializes in ADD/ADHD. OF COURSE you can have Adult ADD & NOT hv been DX as a child! How many kids were & were NOT tested? I mean, that's RIDICULOUS, SMH! 🙄
Listen to your gut, find a GOOD PSYCHIATRIST, which can be challenging so DON'T GIVE UP!
You may or may not have ADD, but I can tell you that more than likely if you are put on an ADD medication you'll KNOW very quickly!
Usually ADD meds ONLY work if you are TRULY ADD! Now this has been MY EXPERIENCE & I am NOT A LICENSED ANYTHING, LOL 😅
Just be your OWN BEST ADVOCATE & TAKE CARE OF YOU!
God Bless 🙏
Wow I was really waiting for them to reveal the percentage and I don't remember hearing it.
7:13
Bingo. Diagnosed at 5, now 60, HSP/SPS is the cause and not ADHD or ASD as so many had tried to tell me later in life. My sensitivity is more on the opposite side as opposed to having issues digesting stimuli. Body language is my greatest strength, not a disorder. Dr. Judy is the best.
I don't want to rush or say I have adhd for no reason. I'm not sure, but I think I have mild/moderate adhd.
These are not for sure reasons, but I have a difficulty focusing on many things, I can't stop moving as people say "fidgeting".
My brother was diagnosed with adhd, my mom has slight adhd and my dad has add. But again, I don't know for sure and I'm hoping I can go to the doctors to test if I have adhd or just something else.
If I made spelling errors, I'm sorry.
If your whole family has it then there’s a very high chance you do too, no doubt
Yeah I'd say that if there's so many people in your family that have it, there's no harm in mentioning it to them. There's obviously a strong genetic component there! You could just see what they suggest
Probably your fidgeting is just your way of trying to concentrate/stay focused on stuff. Particularly if you're in a class that you don't find very interesting/engaging. I often just used to talk too much during classes I didn't like in school- which I think is way more disruptive! 😅 I hate this whole thing of people being expected to just "sit still". You just do you and maybe go and have a chat with your family!
@@amelialakeman8262I also tend to talk a lot more in classes that I find less interesting. Thanks for the advice :)
i've had adhd since i could remember and i have been put on every adhd med under the sun from concerta to vivance to adderal. i wasn't misdiagnosed bit personally i think psychiatrists are a lot more eager to diagnose young children just for exhibiting childlike behavior such as hyperactivity or inattentiveness in more amounts than their peers and i think that is really harmful considering how easy it is to get hooked on stimulants and how detrimental the side effects could be for someone who isn't quite old enough to point out how their meds are affecting them. there should be some sort of an age limit.
misdiagnosis hurts both the person in question AND the rest of us that truly have it.
I didn’t even realize I had an attention issue till people around me started telling me that they would talk to me and I wouldn’t respond by going off what they said and when I was in school they told me I had a learning disability because I would always go off topic with my writing and I never wanted to read because I couldn’t sit and do that for long enough to understand it. I’m now getting treated for adhd with medication to see if it’s affective. So fair I haven’t noticed much of a difference but I do feel slightly better.
I'm just annoyed that some days i can listen to music and read a book that i really want to read but then the next day I'm cleaning the fridge or just walking around or scrolling through my phone stressfully and i can never get anything fucking done unless I'm doing it in a place that is only for that thing, and like i have autism but i don't feel like that's linked to this and i know when I'm not processing what someone has said but I'll also just zone out half way through a conversation that I'm fully invested in and it's not trouble processing it just feels like something else and the only thing that I've come across that feels right is adhd but like i don't know unless i get diagnosed and treated but how am i meant to get diagnosed when my parents are responsible for making appointments and if they do make one they'll say that I have been asking to get tested which could devalue everything I say cause they think i want the diagnosis and like i do but not like that i just want to be able to do the things i want to do without obsessively searching about something that I barely care about or just playing fucking tetris for hours cause that's the least stressful thing to do but if i have other stuff to do then i just do that stressfully. It's not even me doing bad at school, I'm ahead i'm doing great but i can't do any of the homework and i have a year 11 subject next year in year 10 and if i can't do the homework then I will fail at everything and I keep losing things that are really important to me or that i need and my memory is fucking awful, and how am I meant to convince everyone that I'm struggling when I'm doing well in school, I have a job at age 14, I have a couple of friends and that no one saw any of these signs when i was younger? I'm just sick of being called lazy when I do nothing for myself cause i want to do work, i want to draw, i want to read but I can't! I can only read a book if i stop halfway through to read a different book and then pick it back up where i left off and i can only draw during art class or if someone else is drawing with me, instead of doing things i like I'll start researching about something that doesn't relate to me or school, I'll just find something and only think and do things related to that for hours.
Have you been diagnosed with ADHD yet? It seems that I’m dealing with a lot of the same things that you are experiencing
I feel the same all my life has been like that I might get checked but if I did have it would just make me feel worse
@@Millennium_actress not yet but I got an appointment in December since my first doc said that I probably don't need a diagnosis since I get good grades
@@mogenvonbogel7342 if you feel like you don't want to get checked or aren't ready but are sure you have ADHD then maybe try self medicating with coffee lots of people with ADHD feel like they can focus better with it but don't feel very energetic although it can stain your teeth, and I don't know if it works for everyone
When you are Neurodivergent..you are always going to be Neurodivergent. Being an Autistic ADHD myself I can say with certainty that autism and ADHD are neurotypes that differ from the majority neurotype. I use the word majority lightly bc the neurotype in power (the ND community call them Neurotypicals) make the decisions for all neurotypes. A neurotypical trait is gatekeeping another is ableism. Their desperate need to have a homogeneous community has shut other neurotypes out for centuries. Disabled folks have to work hard to stay alive let alone get a diagnosis, in fact often times if you are an adult and do not have your childhood diagnosis records you will be refused evaluations, or evaluators (psychologist, neurologists) denied your evaluation results of CLEARLY Autistic or ADHD as anxiety, social anxiety or depression. Its always those 3 bc they are what Neurotypicals experience from time to time. What's not being understood is ADHD is a naturally occurring neurotype in humans. Just as Autistic is a neurotype. When you are nonverbal, ambidextrous, have "learning disabilities" Dyscalculia Dyslexia and Dysgraphia, are labled with savant, are diagnosed with clinical depression and anxiety, PTSD, diagnosed Autistic and have ADHD..its safe to say that you are Neurodivergent living a world that wasn't built for you or by you or with you. Nothing should be for one type of person in any way shape or form. If you ever see people having a discussion about a marginalized group of people, but no marginalized people are at the table..you MUST question any of "findings".
#therealtruthaboutADHD
#actuallyautistic
#NothingAboutUsWithoutUs
#neurodiversity
Okay but I don't wanna be like this?? Lmao
Also good to know that ADHD can be misdiagnosed as depression or anxiety too.
ADHD can make you depressed or anxious. And depression can make you inattentive.
It goes both ways.
Sometimes only the depression needs to be addressed. Sometimes only the ADHD needs to be addressed.
Just listening to Dr Judy speak is therapeutic to me
I have depression and i show symptoms of ADHD, so it could very well be my depression. It definitely hasn't gotten helped, so I'm going to just throw the idea of adhd out there to my parents and if i eventually get my depression treated and symptoms aren't going away, I'll speak up. I just want to make sure before anything
Could be the other way around and from what I understand adhd treatment would give you answers more quickly. Just a thought.
The effects of HDHD medication on a patient makes diagnosis easy.
What exactly is overdiagnosis ?
HAHAHA. That was my experience. When I was in my early 20's, I tried speed. It did nothing to me, so I never bothered with it again. 30 years later I've been diagnosed ASD/ADHD. It's been a renaissance for my life. I finally "get it". I'm going to test out the medications in the hope my ever diminishing focus might come back. Fingers crossed.
That’s not true, I don’t have ADHD, I have anxiety and adhd meds (stimulants) made me feel great ! It just makes you feel really good, no depression cause it just made me feel happy and no anxiety cause the meds just made me feel good. But once I stopped taking them, the anxiety and depression came right back. A lot of people want to have adhd now cause they get perscribed adderall and it feels good.
@@Dee-zx9zmWhen people with ADHD take medication for ADHD it helps them focus or "calm down." When people who don't have ADHD take ADHD medication it often gives them a lot of energy, which many people think "feels good."
ADHD medications can have many other medical uses besides treating ADHD, but if a patient appears to "calm down" and is able to focus there is a good chance that patient has what we call ADHD. The amount of people who become calm after taking these drugs is irrelevant. If people are being diagnosed with ADHD that don't calm down when given the medication, they might be MISDIAGNOSED. And even then, the medication might be helping the patient in other ways, but because of stories like this, the drugs are becoming a hassle to prescribe. So, it's probably easier for a doctor to diagnose the patient with ADHD so the patient can get the helpful medication and the doctor won't loose his license. Maybe that's over diagnosis? Did I answer my own question? LOL
just had my adhd test a few days ago, they had a lot of questions related to depression that i had to answer but tbh i’m not really depressed, so hopefully i get an accurate answer/diagnosis, i do have a past w anxiety but since i began college it basically went away/lessened. i’ve been having adhd symptoms since childhood
Hey did u get diagnosed ?
@@miarosa8579 yes i did!! i got diagnosed inattentive type
@@vikkki1163 I want to ask you some questions if you don't mind, can i talk to you on I Instagram or something
Thank you, for years when there are two sounds at that same time, my brain doesn't process information and I have no idea what was said. Who knew ... Sensory Processing Disorder was the cause the entire time? Thankful to know about this, yet it has caused anxiety over the years.
That could also be Auditory Processing Disorder depending on how/what you're experiencing. I have APD and in a room with lots of sounds it can be nearly impossible to differentiate what's being said and by who. I would often get overwhelmed, not because I couldn't deal with the sensory input, but because I knew that the people around me were expecting me to be able to discuss/respond to the things being said and I couldn't process out what was being said, so then I'd have anxiety. Man, I put forth so much effort listening to people and it's so irritating when someone says "God! You're not paying attention at all!" when I've had to ask them to repeat themselves for the 4th time.
@@smm855 Thank you for your response! That's exactly what has happened to me ... once I see the frustration on someone's face, that causes anxiety to rise within me. I can completely relate!
Funny how tables turn when people get misdiagnosed with their major depression and panic disorder being in focus but infact my childhood pretty much revealed a very prominent form of ADHD. 10 years of trying to help the depression never showed any success and I always thought I'm just not trying hard enough even tho I worked so hard to fight my mental instability.
Getting medical treatment for my ADHD made my panic disorder soothen down drastically as well as my depression. Sometimes it's the other way around and I think that's very interesting while viewing the percentage of how many children and adults get misdiagnosed with ADHD but maybe have a major depression instead.
Mental Issues are really hard to assess
So true. So much overlap in Anxiety, depression BPD, ADHD . It would be easier to get a brain scan and see a psychiatrist and do hormone/ brain chemical testing , then you could avoid the confusion. The separation of medical and Psychological fields over complicated things.
shes a great interviewee. She communicated so much!!! Im adhd-asd like others on here!!!
Thank you for the video. I would recommend for anyone diagnosed with anxiety, depression, bipolar or whatever get evaluated for ADHD. If you are getting treatment for any psychiatric disorder and not improving you need to get evaluated for ADHD. Keep in mind women presentation of ADHD are different from men so you need to be careful. God bless
Aaah yes, my lifetime learning struggles are caused by my hayfever. Silly me
Me too me to
Also, could abuse and neglect at home cause a child to present like ADHD at school?
You can also gain Anxiety or Depression alongside the fact that you have ADHD. You are anxious and depressed because you have ADHD and it can wreck your life.
I'm so fucking sad now looking back at my childhood. All the adults in my life really sucked, but at least they didn't beat me with a stick? I hate living.
I'm glad I listened to this. I think it's just confirmed that I have ADHD.
Thanks Folks.
The thing about the kid not being attentive in school because it's boring does not necessarily disprove ADHD. Because ADHD attention is often interest-based. If something is interesting they can attend. If it's not interesting, no matter how they try, they cannot.
Exactly lmao the problem is if something isn't mentally stimulating, you CAN'T make yourself focus on it, because its not stimulating enough....You're bored of everything because everything is boring other than the things you personally have interest in. People really don't understand this shit lmao
“Come back to me in 3-4 months” is the most demoralizing thing you can say to someone who is presenting with ADHD symptoms and cannot sustain attention or complete tasks in their day to day life. It’s not this psychiatrist’s fault- it’s a symptom of psychiatry and mental health in general being WAY too slow to diagnose & treat. We need bio markers for these incredibly difficult to treat diseases that often overlap to help get to a diagnosis and therefore treatment faster. Much, much faster. This is extremely frustrating.
I'm 58 and I'm bipolar 1 ADHD and I got a concussion about 4 months ago and I'm just now trying to get on a medication because there's so many side effects I would give up and it's left me in a very very hopeless state and very depressed
Where can I get treated by Dr Jo??
Wait so if I have mood swings, Agressiveness, sadness, Getting easily distracted, cant sit still, and cant complete school work, so would that mean I have it or I just have somethings to work on?
Worth getting checked out for sure
It never hurts to be safe, and that definitely sounds like more than something that you can "just work on". If you have the opportunity, go see a professional.
@@mart4144 I go the the doc tommorow about it taking a survey
@@Blueblood_R Alright, good on ya
@o. t. I have a small bit of ADHD, Anxiety, PTSD and A little Depression so I'm going great from how I see things.
This theory of misdiagnosis is antiquated and in my opinion kinda dangerous. It makes it sound like ADHD is this terrible disease and a diagnosis that should be avoided at all cost - and yes it is difficult but for me as a person with severe adhd the worst part about it is the treatment from other people. I wasn’t diagnosed until I was 40 because after being yelled at constantly I learned how to mask it. I never knew what the hell was going on, but who cares as long as “the world” isn’t annoyed right? I even found myself filtering myself with doctors in an attempt to appease them because they were so reluctant to have the ADHD talk.
Besides your content, I also love the tune at the beginning and end of your videos.
37 hours? Tf?
I guess this will be the longest WAIT of my life.
I thought it said 38 MINUTES. I sat like a fool for about an hour... ☺
I set a reminder an forgot about it till i checked notifications
When I was 5-7 I lived with people who were extremely harsh, abusive even, so when i moved back in with my mom, I had a lot of outbursts and had no control of my anger or whatever else could have been contributeing, my school sent me to a padded room because they believed I had ASD, they isolated me until I was calm, some times I would fall asleep, or start crying.
I'm not diagnosed with anything, so I can't say for shore it could have just been cptsd, but my mom believes I had ADHD before being sent there, so it could have been a cause of both, and being so young I don't know what to do with all of it, so I don't remember any of my traumas but I do remember some parts and one part when I think of it... It hurts... I only remember getting in trouble then all I get is an emotions that's extremely strong, not a picture just plankness in my mind and a rush of hurts, not physically, I'll start to feel weak, and I feel an emotional pain, Im not God at explaining sometimes I stuggle so hard to figure the feeling out I'll break down and repeat "I don't know" some times I'll hurt myself(hitting, pinching, and digging my nails into my self) I feel calm and it's starts again like a pulse, but when I try and describe the emotions them selfs every word or assumption Doesn't fit, every describtion I've said so far doesn't feel quite right, I'm confused and that in its self consumes me and makes me forget the real reason and sometimes my brain with non stop cycle of different things as I'm having a breakdown I keep telling my self that there not, it's not what I think, I don't know.... I don't, but this is the best way I can describe it even if it's not completely true.
I want to apologize for my illiteracy.
@@wrensinclair2200 Your writing is fine, no need to apologise. Thanks for sharing.
This is good to know. Soon I’m going to get evaluated with ADHD but I’m pretty sure I have it. My brother has it and has been diagnosed over 10 years closer to 15 years. However, because I did well in school nobody told me nothing. When I was little my mother had to seat with me to study but I learned everything quickly, and in middle school I talk a lot in clase (more than ever), I also did my homework (due the same day) during my other classes. I didn’t need to study as much so I never had many problems except “you could be an 4.00 GPA if you study more” (instead of my 3.50) and I started to get anxiety that has worsened with time. In college, my concentration is also worst. And a few years back, I said to my mom that if colleges gave one class a month like in summer, I would have A in all my classes. When I was in my dorm, I used to clean and organize my room (I avoid it most of the time) instead of doing my work. I used to think that it was because I work better under pressure. And don’t let me start in how many things I have lost or forget for days over my whole life. To the point that it was like it never existed.
However, I’m open to other options and hopefully I get treated and get better because I’m really afraid to mess up at work (when I finish college), and something bad happens.
I don't think it's adhd rather just college and organizing your day trust me
The truth is many conditions and disorders overlap in terms of symptoms. Diagnosis is difficult. Practitioners vary in experience, specialty, and approach. At present, multiple disciplines have the ability to diagnose and prescribe medication for psychiatric disorders. Examples vary by state and include : MD, DO, PA, NP, and Psy.D. Trial and error with regard to medication seems to prevalent.
I’ve never heard of a Dr of Psychology being able to prescribe any medications and I’ve worked in the pharmacy for almost 2 decades. This is outside their scope of practice since they do not study medications the way MD like Psychiatrists do. Psychiatrists of course prescribe a lot of medication.
I was diagnosed with ADHD after being "diagnosed" with depression and failing 3 years of uni. No problems in high school, actually excelled (even though I literally never studied), but uni hit like a brick. Don't forget folks ofc there can be false diagnoses, but also A LOT of diagnoses that are either late or never happen
Both my son and I have been misdiagnosed as adhd, whilst later we were both diagnosed as autistic.
I dont have Bipolar disorder however i do have Borderline
I'm still very convinced though that i haave Adhd too
i know you gotta be careful with diagnosing yourself but wherever i go i feel like.im not taken seriously because im an adult and a woman.
They don't even try to go through it and instead get annoyed by me not focusing oe forgettih simple tasks when ive done my best my entire life but i just seem to have an issue in my brain that no one can explain , but i do notice i have ALL symptoms of Adhd its ridiculous
I just want to have a real diagnosis about it and done. and if its not adhd i wanna know what else it is because this is so frustrating
Sorry for the rant but this felt good
PS: sorry if i have spelling mistakes im slowly going blind
I feel EXACTLY the same as you!
I Deff have ADHD, couldn’t do my homework when I was a little kid my grades would suffer because I was completely disorganized and would constantly save tasks for later on but still never complete them. In class I’d be listening to words and nothing would be retained in my brain, I’d read a few pages of a book and get asked a question about what I just read and would completely forget. I wish I was prescribed meds when I was a kid I feel like my life would’ve been changed.
Dont forget DMDD!! Please do a video on this and the difference between childhood bipolar disorder and co-morbidities. It was first in the DSM 5 in 2013 but MANY practitioners are not familiar with it.
Thanks! I had never heard of this!
I’m currently on Wellbutrin, Zoloft , and Ritalin.
oh wow i’ve tried the latter 2 but wanna try wellbutrin individually
@@jemma_palma I started on Wellbutrin alone.. GeneSight test gave my doc a better idea on how my body would handle medications..
How it working for you?
@@Darknight3701_ I feel much better. My depression and anxiety are much better. My concentration is better. I’m working harder in my life. Moving out soon. I would Ultimately like to get off the medications slowly and see how changing my Environment could help. Live in a toxic Environment. Have complex ptsd along discovering that I could be empath. I’m thankful that the Medications got me to a point where I can move on with my life and not be paralyzed. I personally would Avoid medication unless absolutely necessary. I cannot afford to wait on CBD to work for me. Marijuana couldn’t help and I was afraid to do shrooms. Maybe I can Microdose on psychedelics or I might need anything. I’m also more about Intermediate fasting. And Meditating Which I plan to do more in my positive environment.
This is random but In regards to depression. It was a story about a person that decided to commit suicide by not eating for a few days which actually cured his depression and while he was researching he came across intermediate fasting. Which turned out is what he did initially to kill him/her self.
@@gb3113 You seem to have learned a lot about yourself and your environment- That's important.
It's great that you're doing good! I'm really glad to hear that and, I wish the best for you! 😊
I’d like to know whether or not I suffer sensory processing disorder. If my cat sits on my lap for an amount of time. It can take hours give or take for then sensation to go. I hate it. Have similar problems when I switch between shorts and trousers.
im going down an adhd symptom rabbit hole a month before my test
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You can have comorbidities with all of these and ADHD. I have ADHD with SPD depression, anxiety, and PTSD. I went 35 years thinking I was a rejected foster kid with the idea that my fuck up brain was the reason no one wanted me. I went through EMDR therapy, got my trauma depression and anxiety under control, and found I was still struggling executive dysfunction. My brain on caffeine and Adderall is a bullet train on the correct rail. Off it my brain is a bowl of spaghetti noodles in a trash compactor. My thoughts are hard to grip onto and I follow the dopamine like a drug addict. However, even on meds I have SPD. Sounds are always to loud, lights are always to bright, and I have almost zero spatial reasoning. I'm covered in bruises from running into things that I didn't remember where there. ADHD is incredibly complex and needs more research beyond the behavioral issues it causes.
And a side note, on Adderall, my PCOS related dymonorhea is now very well controlled with far less pain medication required to make it so. I'm also not hyper focusing on my stressors, and my backpack is getting progressively better. I've been off my meds for about a month due to some insurance issues, and quite frankly, it sucks. My life before the meds was unbearable, and knowing what life can be makes this realization extremely emotional. I had no idea how bad it was until I had to go back to it.
BPD and ADHD also have a lot of overlapping symptoms that can be hard to distinguish from each other.
It depends of severity.
Sometimes I can’t control my Right or Left leg from shaking and the slightest noise or some fly in my room prevents me from concentrating
on my Study and for some reason unintentionally I don’t really mind the consequences of my talking and just say stuff I shouldn’t in public and some other stuff I find it hard to sit on a chair and start walking in circles making my own story or another idea that completely distracts me, and walking in circles got me into some trouble because I can’t sit and Study or do anything else for more than an hour then I get bored and start walking in circles I noticed I have horrible Planning and a bad time management that’s why I’m here I wanted to make sure and I think I have ADHD tell me if these are correct ADHD symptoms or I’ll find the solution somewhere else
It's hard to say- for me a whole hour of sitting and studying sounds like a long time, unless it's a subject/a topic that you like- that's different. But you do sound very restless and/or like you have a lot of energy to burn. Have you tried taking your walks outside sometimes, going for long walks around the block instead of just walking in circles inside? Even if I still can't concentrate when I get back from walking, I will generally find that I'll feel a bit less restless (for a while), and sometimes I'll even unintentionally develop some ideas on how I'm going tackle my study when I get back. Or if that still doesn't work, if you have to remember stuff for a test and you don't like sitting down, record yourself speaking your notes/reading from you textbook on your phone, then head out with headphones/earphones on, and again just go a walk, or a run (if you like running), and listen to your recordings (I have aced tests in this way!) Or bring your notes to a park and pace around while reading them aloud.
I think you also have to ask yourself, say you were late all the time or late to hand assignments in. Does it bother you? Do you feel like you're trying your best and you're not succeeding, you keep trying to concentrate but the words just won't flow or you don't understand the instructions you're given much of the time and spend a long time puzzling over them, or you don't know how to structure what you write? And is this lack of progress, or not turning things in on time, affecting your relationships with people, and do you wish that they could be better? Is your lack of progress specifically, or putting your foot in your mouth, making you feel a little sad/embarrassed/ashamed sometimes? Is your difficulty concentrating on stuff making you feel worried about your future? Or do you just feel like everything's boring and that you don't care about anything? Because if it's the later, I'd be looking in to depression first before ADHD. If you're still finding joy in stuff though, but a bit worried about your concentration, I'd be looking into ADHD as well as other possible causes that might be affecting your learning, like learning disabilities, lack of interest in what you're studying (is it possible to change subjects?), insomnia, or even just being a very high energy person (with or without ADHD) and needing to exercise more or play more sport! Be more specific with people, that's my advice; like hey "I'm having a hard time doing my homework because I don't know what to write. I feel like I have writer's block or I don't understand the instructions I've been given. Could you help me?" Or "I can't seem to concentrate on my homework because I don't find it very interesting. I know that if I was more interested in this topic, that I could get a lot more work done. Do you have any ideas on how I could make it feel more interesting or more relevant to me?"
Did you get in trouble in school/ in college with the walking in circles? Like in a classroom setting? That sounds like a hallmark symptom of hyperactivity! But I'd also be asking myself, have I had this habitat of not being able to stay seated in a classroom setting for a long time, or is it just a recent thing?
Maybe schizophrenia?
@@jeng6786 Do you know what schizophrenia is? One of my friends has it and delusions and (usually) paranoia are pretty big parts of having it
I really dislike how doctors and therapists like to say everything is depression and instead of putting them on the feared amphetamines you get their bodies hooked on antidepressants but you know what??? Depression is caused by something right?! Depression is a secondary illness, and is almost always comorbid with other mental or learning disabilities... My aunt and uncle were on antidepressants and therapy for 30 years and still committed suicide... So pless depression has a reason ...don't just lump everything into depression because that means while you are farting around waiting for drugs to kick in to help the depression the person is having to deal with the cause of their depression without any help
Right! And I feel we should always start on a lower dose than most docs prescribe for adhd
Hello Dr. Ho, Please I want to find out why ASD is found chiefly in American children than other children from different context other than the United States?
Thank you
I read in the NICE guidelines to treat for ADHD first, if Depression is a long standing co-morbity and treat Depression first, if it is presenting less than 6 months.
My ADHD is making me focus on the incorrect positioning of that Blue Yeti mic (it is side-address, NOT end address) instead of the content...
Most kids are hyper/restless when they don't understand the schoolwork or too smart for it and they're bored. And if the kids are overwhelmed with TMI or too many activities/choices given to them at once. Parents must train their toddlers to focus on one thing at a time, step by step, day by day.
I just know that I need all my ducks in a row, organized, with the right music/room temperature/ambiance in order to get 100% focused on a difficult or unlikable tasks. But once in the zone, I'm completely honed into the activity.