Pattinson is ridiculously good at knowing when to switch off the Unflappable Batman energy to remind us that this is a very new Batman and he's still very much not emotionally invulnerable. Like when he tries to call the mansion to warn Alfred about the bomb and he drops the Batman voice entirely for the real, raw desperation in "Something terrible is gonna happen!" He's been so gravelly and subdued all movie, even when talking to Alfred, that it's a real shocking feeling. Another moment that really stood out to me was when we first see him use the wingsuit escaping from the police station. He bursts out onto the roof and clearly has a moment of very real "oh SHIT that's high up" before he collects himself and takes the leap. The Batman we're used to is very acclimated to yeeting himself off buildings, but he had to overcome that first bit of butt-clenching first. -R
It's what makes Batman so badass to me. Even starting out he has virtually no fear of anything and not very much experience and skill yet, but that lack of fear is what makes him so intimidating and formidable as a "super" hero. He's just a dude. But he's a dude with peak physical and mental strength, and a master mixed martial artist (maybe not precisely THIS Batman, but take Batfleck for example). He's not a normal human being. Which is why I can totally buy that he has the kind of feats he does against other actual superheroes. Batfleck uses a bunch of weapons against Superman fully knowing it's not gonna do anything physically to him. But Superman lets his guard down enough that Batman shoots him with a kryptonite smoke grenade and he literally catches it like "bitch really with this shit?" Or with Keaton's Batman in the flash movie. Dude's an old man who hasn't been batman for potentially decades and straight up beats up those soldier's like he was ripped straight out of the Arkham games. And then even incapacitates a large kryptonian that Superman himself struggled with and gets right back up after literally being body slammed by him. Something that would have killed pretty much every normal human being instantly. And I know people have issues with both of those examples I just used because people apparently find it interesting to just have an extremely overpowered hero instantly kill everything. But I don't care, let Batman fans have some moments. Superman hasn't been interesting since Christopher Reeve anyway. Hopefully James Gunn can change that.
The Riddler's 'poor me' vibe is actually very comic accurate. The Riddler, being a genius, always felt he was underappreciated. He had severe narcissistic tendencies and his villainy was mostly just to prove that he was smarter and better than the 'World's Greatest Detective'. So of course, when something doesn't go his way, he denies it.
The only gripe I have is that the comics state that Riddler deduces that Bruce Wayne is Batman but refuses to acknowledge/believe it. So Riddler knowing Batman’s identity will cause problems in future sequels because villains can go to riddler for information, unless he chooses to gatekeep it but the ending between Joker and Riddler doesn’t make it seem that way.
Another point about his fighting style is that he's reckless and doesn't really bother to put up his guard. It really hammered in just how brutal and blinded by vengeance this young batman is. He even said it himself: "Idc what happened to me"
And he’s not even arresting people. He’s just assaulting criminals and then walking away. Even allowing them to escape to get beaten another day. And he’s not actively trying to save their victims. It’s a great way to show his growth through the movie from some angry force of violence to an actual hero.
Its almost like your all depressed emo kids cutting there thighs in the school bathroom. If u think emo batman is great im sorrry u all need to touch grass and speak to a person in the real world😂
My litmus test for any Batman story is "Can you imagine this Batman comforting a scared child?" So many Batman stories fail that test, but what I adore about this movie is that it is about Batman going from answering that question with a 'no' to answering it with a 'yes' by the end.
Something I love about the finale is how you have a very real, very scary group of people carrying out Riddler's plan but it also serves as an adaptation of the classic goons. Think about it, they're all dressed the same in a way that fits the villain's theme.
Yes! i love how realistic it is, a group of people that felt wronged by the wealthy going to extreme solutions and surround themselves with only like minded ppl online, its just like you learn in school! (its also terrifying how realistic this is)
Batman’s arc in this movie is perfectly surmised by one consistent bit of physical acting 1.) Bruce is visibly squinting in the entire scene where Alfred is trying to decode the first cipher because of daylight streaming in from the windows (“Two years of nights have turned me into a nocturnal animal”) 2.) At the end, when Bruce is helping the woman being airlifted, he’s looking up, clear and wide-eyed in the daylight Vengeance in the night -> Hope in the light
Actually, the director got the nocturnal comment from friends who’d worked night shifts long term. They say you gradually evolve into a “nocturnal animal.”
The sound design was top notch in this movie. With the soundtrack, the vehicles, and even Catwoman's friend getting killed on voicemail. That voicemail really shock me up the first time I watched, with how real it sounded.
What's even crazier is that the sound was inspired by a Justin Bieber song being slowed down and pitched up or something like that. The same effect was applied to some other sound effect, though I can't recall what it was. It's a truly terrifying Batmobile sound.
I think an often overlooked thing is how well this version nails Gotham. It's a 70's hellscape of urban decay rendered in late 19th century neogothic architecture intersperes with modernity. Good background design.
Thank you for this. I've mentioned before that Gotham has a very specific vibe. Dark Knight trilogy failed. It was basically just Chicago or Seattle or something. Then this movie happened and absolutely nailed the vibe of Gotham.
I actually remember reading somewhere in the comics (No idea if it's canon) that Gotham has _several_ magical curses attached to its very foundations. These curses are the reason Gotham is such a shithole and they have actually managed to overlap and accidentally cover each other's weak spots to the point that not even Constantine could fix it.
I don't remember if you pointed it out but in the scene where Battinson gets into the club easily just by being Bruce Wayne vs how he first entered the club as Batman; it feels like it clicks in Bats' mind how useful/advantagerous being Bruce Wayne actually is besides just being absurdly wealthy.
The three club entrances showed his growth: the first two, as you described, but the third time is really the first time in the film where he's in costume and acts like we expect Batman to act: stealth his way in (because this time he's actually prepared) and arrange things to get the drop on the bad guys so that when the fight does start, he starts with an initial advantage based on more than his training and his toys.
One thing I appreciated about Batman the Animated Series was you saw not just Batman doing his thing, but Bruce Wayne doing everything he could to make the city better as well. Charities left and right. Donations, fundraisers, you even saw him peeling potatoes in a soup kitchen.
I hope as this Batman matures and heals from his trauma, he will realize how important Bruce Wayne can be for the change of Gotham that he wants. I can't wait to see this Batman grow into the Batman you've described.
I agree, but at the same time, I find this take on the character really refreshing. Such a broken and messed up character that doesn't really know how to cope with his trauma. Plus as everyone else has said, it's implied we'll see him grow and develop with every movie. This version of the character has so much potential.
I definitely believe we'll see character development for him in that way in the sequels. I reckon they had to focus on his trauma a lot more, and maybe in the next one slowly realises that he can use his wealth for change as well and even as he Bruce Wayne can inspire people, while also doing good as Batman
Bro watched the entire three-hour movie and still missed the idea. Bruce does not conduct charity/fundraising since opening his heart would make him vulnerable and risk losing people he cares about, which is why he sometime use the Bruce persona and occasionally uses it for missions (the entire Alfred hospital scene explained it) + People would not consider a greedy man like Bruce Wayne, warm and cozy in his tower to be a selfless hero like Batman ,out there in the cold fighting criminals.
@@Red_Spidey I didn't miss it at all. Was merely commenting about how I enjoyed one aspect of another Batman related franchise. And as others in this thread have said, this is the beginning of Bruce's arc. We will see more growth and evolution from him in future installments. No need for hostility, we're just here to discuss and enjoy batman.
Legitimately one of the main reasons why it’s my favorite Batman film. We all know that The World’s Greatest Detective is one of his monikers but this is the first time we’ve actually seen it on display
Exactly the only time we've ever truly seen Batman as the Detective are the Animated Shows & Movies. While the other movies had a hint of Detective in them, Batman Forever actually made an attempt...but it was small compared to The Batman which was more investigations than just straight up fighting.
I'm never going to understand how this movie feels slow for some people, I don't say that from a superior stand point, I'm genuinely concerned that for as long as this movie is for me feels like such a fast and extremely entertaining time.
When the Riddler goon said “I’m vengeance” that’s when Bruce realized he was inspiring the same evil he wanted to fight, and he realized to be a hero you need to inspire hope, not revenge. Hopefully the sequel will shine more light on this idea. (First one to comment, yippee!)
It's the first superhero media thing that portrayed the whole "superheroes create the same evil they fight" argument correctly I have seen in a long time.
@@bessieburnet9816 I think the main reason it works is that the movie actually gives an answer. He has to become a symbol of hope rather than just fear and vengeance, the movie doesn't just say "Batman inspires the same evil he's fighting against and that's why superheroes are stupid and dumb"
I dont think it is as much "inspiring evil", but just that everyone has their own view of justice and how far they are willing to go. Batman saw his own actions(pure violence) as "Vengeance", justified. But from the goon's perspective, what they are doing is justified too. They are not doing it for the sake of being evil, but because they want to do "something" against what they find wrong and corrupt about the city(even if misguided). They too see their form of "vengeance" as justified. It is a similar realization to Batman(in other movies) being compared to the Joker. Just one wrong turn, and the roles might be switched. If Alfred had died in the explosion, who knows what the grief might have led to? When the goon says "I'm Vengeance", Batman becomes aware of how blind he has been to the world(and people) around him. That the end does not justify every and all means.
When I saw that in the cinema for the first time, my jaw was on the floor. I knew this was gonna be a different kind of batman movie and one of the best we've ever had.
One thing that i dont think people talk about much is how strjpped down everything is. The batmobile is really just a muscle car with upgrades, catwoman's suit is just a catsuit with a headpiece etc. It makes it seem less impossible to make and very plausible that they were able to build these gadgets without drawing attention to themselves. I really like how everything felt like it fit in a realistic world.
Like they were all still getting themselves together, deciding who they were going to become. Costumes and tools put together form what was available, not wholly custom-made. It's a great aesthetic for a introduction to a character.
Man I remember when I first saw this movie, I knew it was something special, but what completely sold me on it was the fact that the lesson was for Batman to become a symbol of hope. I feel like Batman could easily turn into a punisher-like character, but this movie shows that there is more to Batman's character than just vengeance.
Batman is treated like a symbol of hope in the dark knight trilogies world, but they never really make it a central theme. Like that guy that joker tortures says he dresses like batman "because he's a symbol that we don't have to be afraid of scum like you". I dont feel like the symbol of hope for the people title is really earned for most of that trilogy though
😂 Nothing about this movie screams Arkham Batman. Arkham Batman isn't walking in front of gunfire as he’s disabled it with the disrupter. Arkham Batman is flipping around goons/ninja assassins/mercenaries/metahumans and can defeat them nearly on his deathbed in AC. Even though he wasn't Arkham Batman Affleck's warehouse scene was MUCH closer to being him. Imagine the warehouse scene with this idiot. He would walk through the front door or loudly bust through the same floor window. Allowing those TRAINED MERCENARIES to easily shoot and kill him. Hopefully he'll be closer to Arkham Batman In the sequels.
@@FriendlyBatDoom He literally does the capestun multiple times throughout the film, he has shock gloves, he has that metallic armour look for his suit, he does nasty brutal combos, his gotham looks pretty much identical to arkham knights gotham, and he also does actual detective work like arkham batman. This whole movie screams arkham batman
Granted only people in the carpeting trade, or children with parents in that trade like the cop who identified it, but yeah he's supposed to be the world's greatest detective and lapsed in that moment.
@@MM-vs2etto be fair, he's not the world's greatest detective yet. Heck, he wasn't even Batman in this movie until the last scene, he went by Vengeance for most of the movie
I love that it shows that he's still pretty new to being a detective. He didn't even think about the significance of the specific weapon Riddler used, what it was, why he had it, etc. Not until it was too late, like you said!
@MM-vs2et hit the nail on the head, my dad does floor installation so I instantly knew there was something significant about the carpet tucking tool. I though bats was crazy for not knowing what it was but I bet I could walk around even after the movie came out and ask people what it's for and most people couldn't answer
something i really loved about this film is how much it embraces elements that the movies usually ignore like the detective side of batman and his early years some of his less focused on enemies and even his flaws. that he isent infallible just a capable dude trying his best in his own traumatised way. my only criticism is i really don't want another version of the joker hes a grate villain but batman has a huge and awesome rouges gallery yet joker is overwhelmingly the one that gets adapted
I saw a video were they said a great next villain would be clay face but not the one that actually made out of clay I believe he was talking about the original one who would kill people and steal there faces
Any chance to rewatch this EGA is going to be taken with gusto. The fake-out of the opening being the Wayne murders, to the cinematography, the sheer menace of Batman's introduction, and of course THE greatest Batmobile introduction of all time, this movie is absolutely fantastic.
I think the best part about the Batmobile introduction is that you know *exactly* how it was written out in the script based purely on what's onscreen. "And then it roars to life, screaming like a bat out of hell."
I think there's a great opportunity to have a sequel that plays off the consequences of this movie: with the city now flooded The Penguin takes over Falcone's territory and looks towards consolidating all the "classic" criminal enterprises in the city (gambling, drugs, prostitution, etc). The new villain they could introduce is Mr. Freeze, since the flooding could be the incident that destroys his lab and turns him from doctor trying to cure his wife to insane villain who will stop at nothing to bring back his beloved. I'm picturing someone like Mark Strong for the role.
They're doing a Penguin series on HBO Max that follows Penguin in the days after this movie and it looks like he's doing exactly what you're talking about
When I first watched this with a friend when Batman first appeared they were terrified. She hadn't watched anything to do with Batman and I love that the first thing she thought was that he is terrifying. Batman is meant to scare people and I love that he was able to put that fear into her.
@sup3414 Yeah, you dork, saying "they" is entirely valid when referring to someone as it is a gender-neutral term and as such can be used interchangeably with any other pronoun.
@@moonlightillari Yeah dork, but he then later reveals the gender of the friend when he typed SHE in the second sentence. So why bother typing "they" to begin with...
I love that we get to see a young new budding Batman while Bruce Wayne is still trying to figure out how to be a face of the public, you can see the two iterations of him kind of fighting. I knew we were in for a good ride when Something in the Way was the first song we hear.
Genuinely my favorite superhero film of all time. The cinematography, the score, the acting. Everything about it paints a love letter to the comics that made the character. Every half hour feels like a comic issue in a 6 issue mini series and no comic film has made me feel like that in a positive way. Truly a masterpiece
The Batman is a cinematic triumph. Robert Pattinson's portrayal is captivating, his intense voice and expressive eyes adding depth. The film's focus on Batman's detective skills elevates it, with stellar performances from the entire cast. I loved this movie and can't wait for the next one.
It's the little details that reward you in this movie I really enjoy. Vengeance tends to stare at people, upping his creep factor. Later back in his cave, you realize his stare lingers because his contacts are always recording. Bruce knows there's something he'll miss that he'll pick up later, so best to stare for a little bit to take everything in, then do more sleuthing back in the batcave.
You pointing out the Vader-style introduction is spot on. I've said since the first time I saw this that this Batman's theme music sounds somewhat like the Imperial Death March theme.
I don't know who said it first, but i completely agree with the following sentence. The Batman is the origin story of Bruce Wayne. As you said, he is Batman. Bruce Wayne is the mask. This movie dives into why he dons the mask of Bruce. Why he participates more with Wayne Enterprise. The charities, the donations, the philanthropy. He does learn to become a better Batman, but there are limitations to what Batman can do. There are some things only Bruce Wayne can do.
One thing I’m surprised he didn’t point out (at least as far as I know) is the music at 6:20 it’s playing in the club in-universe, but that repeating sting really sells the tension of Selena and Vengeance sizing each other up, trying to look into the others head
I loved the little nods to all previous iterations of Batman. Comic books with the gun fight in the dark. 60’s with the weird little wall climb and grandiose buildings like Burton’s version and a tiny nod to Elfman’s theme during a car chase. There were more. There is not a Batmobile I do not like. But this one was the most realistic and I loved everything about it.
This was the first Batman movie I was old enough to watch, and I think it was a great intro into the character. It made me want to go back and watch all the other iterations. I loved how almost... pathetic Bruce was as opposed to Batman. He dons the suit and a whole different persona comes out. If he had met Selina as Bruce, there's no way he'd be able to even talk to her, let alone get a kiss.
This was definitely noticed since Bruce Wayne is typically written as a playboy billionaire and he plays it up to divert suspicion that he is Batman since Bruce would instead be too busy sleeping with models, partying and travelling. You see it perfectly in the dark knight when he takes the Russian ballet dancers as a cover to go to Hong Kong. I’m sure this version of Bruce Wayne will develop more into that as this is the early years as Batman. Batman is the real version of Bruce and Bruce Wayne is the mask he hides behind.
That is sooo true. I can't wait for RobBat to realize how important Bruce Wayne can be to help change Gotham. He can do this, or like what another commenter said, he could donate shit loads of money and create fundraisers. I am vvery interested to see what RobBat does.@@OutrageousLilKillers
It was nice to hear a take on this film thats not an ignorant take and comparisons to previous batman portrayals. Some people overlook the fact this is a young batman and Bruce who are going through an identity crisis arc and finds a way at the end.
Best CBM of all time in my opinion, transcends the genre and turns into this incredible crime saga with fantastic performances, dialogue and cinematography. It could be 4 hours long and I wouldn't mind it whatsoever.
I'd call attention to the opening scene with the kid (later orphan) in an outfit intended to evoke the Red Hood. Definitely something they could come back to later.
That sounds like a reach, the outfit is just a red ninja outfit, saying it is intended to evoke Red Hood is like saying someone in a black ski mask it meant to evoke Black Mask
@@DoubleDunked20obviously a ski mask is intended to evoke mr. Freeze, since people wear ski masks when it's cold smh Edit: now that I think about it, I wouldn't be surprised if they did put Freeze in a ski mask with a breathing tube attached or something in a sequel to this movie.
I'm a carpet fitter, so in the opening scene i was like "oh he's using a bolster, thats fun." So the reveal that it was actually used for carpet fitting towards the end made me go crazy, i love it
one thing I'd like to point out is that the Ave Maria rendition at 9:10 is not in a minor key but in the Phrygian mode, which is why the melody has a threatening quality to its sound due to the semitone resolution downwards. its a great touch that implies that the cop isn't safe and that something is going to go wrong in the scene.
…googling…Phrygian mode… … … ahhhh yes, my mistake. I actually love this kind of information and I’ll be spending wayyyy too much time reading more about it later
I was pleasantly surprised with this movie. I had my doubts when I heard Robert Paterson was going to be Batman. He did a hell of an amazing job in the roll. This is one of the best Batman movies - I'm including the animated movies in this assessment.
This is an S-tier breakdown of the Batman, bravo. I loved Nolan's Batman movies, I love Tim Burton's original Batman - but The Batman was one of the graphic novels come to life. I can't describe how satisfying it was to see us get arguably the most faithful adaptation of Batman on screen to date.
I loved the raw, brutal, visceral nature of his fight choreography. Pattinson has been studying in Karate, Capoeira, Kickboxing, Tai Chi, and Aikido since age 6. And studied Filipino martial arts with Robert Alonzo for his fight training for this movie. And his familiarity and physicality shows in his performance.
The _Dark Knight_ trilogy is my personal pinnacle for Batman in cinema. But if that trilogy didn't exist, _The Batman_ would definitely be my favorite.
what about the chase scene where he's neglecting the lives of civilians and crashing all those cars? I don't think any batman has done something like that, nor should they
@@deusexmaximum8930 IIRC I feel like penguin takes out most of the civilian cars. Was the chase a bit reckless on batman's part? Sure. But I don't think he's actively hurting people, just being very singleminded in his pursuit of... well... Vengeance. Thematic!
Dude... you missed some of the awesome. Like, how his billionaire status caused mistakes on both sides. Riddler sent the bomb in the mail because he couldn't reach the reclusive Bruce in person, but growing up poor, it didn't occur to him that rich people don't open their own mail. They have people to do that. He also assumed that Bats would know what a tucker was. Again... why would a billionaire know what a carpenter's tool is? A blue collar cop had to tell him what it was. That disconnect was BRILLIANT. Also, this could have been called Bruce Wayne begins, because Bruce is only really in it for three scenes. Driving to save Alfred (that fear on his face) and talking to Falcone about his dad and sitting by Alfred in the hospital. He's never Bruce in any other scene - Even out of costume, he's Batman. He makes a point that he doesn't care about his family's money, but realizes that if he had been paying attention to it, this whole mess might never have happened. So he needs to start being Bruce. I friggin' love this film.
Something cool I noticed in the fight choreography - have you noticed that Catwoman here primarily fights with kicks? In real life cats' strongest body part are those powerful hind legs, which help them make amazing leaps and why, when attacked, they use their hind legs to kick. And I think this is on purpose - not only Selina's style matches with her hero persona, but also for a person of a smaller stature like her it makes more sense to use her legs more (keeps opponents at a distance and are powerful moves).
I've watched this a number of times now, I LOVE IT, the cinematography is unreal. St George's Hall was used for the City Hall, blows me away they filmed so many things in Liverpool!
Another win for me personally: Batman throughout the film does not attack unprovoked: he let's the gang iniate run away unscathed, he charges forward at the club on his way to penguin, only going at the guards when they come at him. But when he does attack? It's fucking brutal as hell. It plays into that one track mindset with barely controlled rage he has as vengeance. The fights in general are the only time I've really seen anyone play into the fact that Bruce hurts criminals more than he needs to while still making this Batman one of the most hopeful inspiring ones (or at least on the road to be that Batman)
I also thought riddler was going to be hush because the dead reporter’s last name was Elliot. I legit thought riddler was going to be both Edward Nygma and Thomas Ellioy
My favorite Batman Movie. And we need to talk more about Michael Giacchino and Greig Fraser! The Soundtrack and the cinematography are insane. Greig‘s killing it lately 😭👍
Its not only the best Live Action Batman movie, its just a really good movie. Its so good on so many levels. Watched it 6 times in cinemas and I enjoyed every time.
Robert Pattinson is a fantastic actor, not that you'd know it from the Twilight Saga. However, he also despises the franchise, and is thriving a decade later, as he's literally Batman. Similarly, Kristen Stewart is an Oscar Nominee.
This movie was so much better than I expected. The trailers made it look more like Batman was just a tough guy in a costume but that was just the brutality of Vengeance. And the actual detective story was a stand out for me. Loved the new Batmobile as well. Something about the design made it seem predatory. That moment when it comes flying out of the fireball is just amazing. Between that and that music playing as Batman approaches make seem like an unstoppable supernatural force. 23:05 agree
always hated on by marvel stans since it doesn't have any funny one liners, by batfleck stans cuz his solo movie was cancelled, and by nolan fans because this batman is inexperienced or too edgy
This is one of those rare movies where the three hour run time didn't feel like three hours and just flew by. In fact, when the credits rolled, I wanted more. Just give Reeves and Pattinson the reins and let them make more of this.
Man, I know the whole point of this channel is to find something to love in every film, but I really do love seeing him do films that I personally enjoy as opposed to ones I don't
You citing the Se7en and Saw influences was spot-on. I felt the same vibes when I first saw it, and Riddler ultimately succeeding with his plan (at least partially) is in keeping with Se7en's DNA, just we had a apocalyptic flood instead of a "What's in the booooooooooox?!" moment. Maybe that'll happen later after we've gotten to know Jason for a bit. Just putting it out there...
This Batman is the best Batman. My absolute favorite. I'll always have a huge soft spot for the Burton movies, but this… this is a whole step above and beyond. A gritty, down-to-earth Batman with real gravitas, and at the same time a great detective who's at his best when he's solving things with his mind rather than his fist. The movie is just a masterpiece; beautiful, haunting. I never felt it was slow; or rather, I never felt like its slowness was a bad thing. It takes its time, and that's a good thing. Snyder (as he is wont to do) completely missed the point of Batman and squandered the potential. This one made things right.
I really hate when people say “why doesn’t Batman use his money to help?!” HE DOES! This movie showed why it doesn’t work that easily… when the whole system is corrupt, giving money doesn’t mean anything when it goes into corrupt pockets instead of where it’s needed. Batman canonically does give a ton of money, he has a dozen charities and organizations that help the poor and support Gotham, but they fight an uphill battle against corruption, greed, and cruelty. He fights from both sides at the same time. He fights dangerous crime by night and white collar crime by day. He never rests. This movie basically shows that… his father left a massive fortune for the city to build orphanages and update infrastructure and all of the money got stolen and used for crime. That’s what always happens… Corrupt politicians, corrupt businesses and contractors, and money that keeps disappearing makes it basically impossible to change anything with money.
One thing I loved that wasn't mentioned was the carpet tucker. A person who has been working their whole life might recognize it, but Bruce, having lived rich all his life, misses the obvious connection. If that cop hadn't been there, he migut have been too late. In some ways it just goes to show how isloated Bruce really is from the rest of Gotham.
This movie had me on the edge of my seat. Like, I suddenly realized halfway through the movie that I was not taking advantage of the plush reclining seats of the theatre and sitting as far forward as I could because I was that invested in the movie. Really drove home the meaning of the expression for me, I've never had that happen with any other movie
Something you mentioned earlier in the video about Bruce seeing Batman as the only way to help the city got me thinking...especially in this version of Gotham.... He would be one wealthy person trying to fight uphill and change things. One wealthy person that, to other wealthy people, is trying to buck and upend the system. The system that is terrible, but also makes wealthy people very wealthy. Newer Batman stories are kind of exploring that element a bit more (ie, the Court of Owls), but I like this idea as subtext to Bruce's actions. It's not just that he is damaged enough to the point to think this is his only way to fix the world, but a recognition that if he was to do anything openly, the world would move hard to 'correct' it.
this is truly one of the greatest channels on yt!! A place where fans can talk about the art they loved and discover details they might have missed, it's rare that something positive has success these days! Much love to all u guys ❤
You mention it a few times here but honestly in this iteration I didn’t really get the sense that the “no guns” rule was really about sparing lives and more about him avoiding the same weapon that killed his parents. We see him do violent, furious, and sadistic things to the goons in this movie and he clearly doesn’t have much regard for their well-being, so I think it makes more sense if the no-guns rule is more about him still being hurt and traumatized by his parents’ death because of how early into his Bat-career he is.
Yeah, at this point Bruce just wants to punish villains he's not trying to set an example. Guns are probably just a trauma trigger, or using them would make him feel no better than the criminals.
There's a kind of art to the colour grading the warm lights contrasted with the cold rain like a showcase for a high definition adobe program. A crisp and clean stylish look that fits batman and gotham. ah love it
Gunna be honest. My number 1 movie of all time. It has SO MUCH passion, thought, and effort put in. You can tell everyone here truly cares about making not just a good movie, but a good Batman story. I look at this character and can see the roots of the man Kevin Conroy (rip) played to utter perfection for so many years. The Batman that'll sit on a swing with a reality warper child who was broken and turned into a weapon. The man who'd sit next to her, hold her hand, and soothe her fear as she slips away. THAT is Batman. He's a symbol of hope, a hero, a representation of sheer willpower and the need to do what's right, no matter how hard it is. Pattinson plays a Batman I can see becoming that man. It's a story of him taking that first step. On top of that, the lines. Everything he says under the mask captures the smart ass, dry sarcasm most good Batmen are known for. The delivery is different but I could put any of my favorite batman actors/vas into these lines perfectly. He's a darker, younger btas batman and I can't wait for more. THE SHOTS IN THIS MOVIE ARE TOP NOTCH TOO. Reeves obviously wanted more of an art piece than a block buster and he NAILED it. The flare shot is my favorite shot in a piece of visual media. It's just. Perfect. Everything Battinson went through lead to this defining moment. He literally becomes the light in Gotham's darkest hour. Him leading the citizens out, a literal beacon of hope. Like. How does one beat that? The final act of this movie is just amazing and that moment and the girl holding his arm, only for him to soothe her, to hang on and give her that comfort she needs. DUUUUDE. Just. Yes. This movie is yes.
the only versions of batman that surpass this one for me are 1.the animated batman of 1992 2.the arkhamverse batman funnily enough, both voiced by Kevin Conroy, an icon
9:13 I want to mention here too, this whole sequence seemed like an homage to "Halloween", with the fogged up windows and backseat ambush. That would make sense, coming from a horror director.
You put into words why I feel this might be my favourite Batman film, as a longtime fan of the character and the source material this is probably my favourite iteration and story. I know it's blasphemy but the more I think about this movie the more I think that I might prefer it over TDK. The Batman is the best Batman movie, Dark Knight is the best movie. I have a few friends that just didn't like this as casual fans of the character and much prefer TDK, I think I've realised that TDK was a great film for the masses that happened to be a Batman story, The Batman is truly for those who intimately know the character and it's awesome. To me, it's the iteration that longtime fans have been waiting for, the respect and homage to the source material on Matt Reeves' part is incredible and the further attention and care he gives to craft this film is what the character has needed for a long time.
This is what sets Batman above all other comic book superheroes: every member of his Rogues Gallery shows him a little more of who he's MEANT to be and he changes and grows from their encounters.
Also the batverse is getting an Oz and Arkham asylum TV show on HBO Max (and I'm guessing for UK audiences either sky max (or whatever they called sky one/Atlantic)
I just have to say this is my first comment on either channel wins or sins, but I never feel compelled to leave any comment because every time I watch one of the videos I’m always like man you always hit the nail on the head like what more can I say this is just my way of giving a little shout out or some praise
31:05 Danos design and costume were based on the real life Serial Killer, the Zodiac Killer, who killed people in the 60s and 70s while leaving clues and ciphers behind. His costume is ripped straight from an illustration done for the San Francisco Police by Robert Graysmith. HIS SYMBOL IN THE FILM WAS THE KILLERS SYMBOL WITH A QUESTION MARK IN THE MIDDLE.
I just had to watch this one with the ‘good headphones’. The sound and the music is sooo good in this movie. Anyway, thanks and keep up the EGA’s and have an awesome ‘24 yall!!
One thing I really want in the next Battinson movie is to sort of grow out of the whispery, quiet Batman voice and get into the solid and sure Batman voice that Kevin Conroy pulled off. Kevin Conroy's Batman had his Bruce Wayne voice sound like he was putting on a fake, nonchalant voice, whereas his Batman voice always seemed to be his real voice, and also sounded very sure, confident, determined, powerful. We've yet to see that done on the big screen.
It's refreshing that someone is giving the soundtrack the credit it deserves. This is one of the first movies in a really long time that blew me away with the music.
Pattinson is ridiculously good at knowing when to switch off the Unflappable Batman energy to remind us that this is a very new Batman and he's still very much not emotionally invulnerable. Like when he tries to call the mansion to warn Alfred about the bomb and he drops the Batman voice entirely for the real, raw desperation in "Something terrible is gonna happen!" He's been so gravelly and subdued all movie, even when talking to Alfred, that it's a real shocking feeling.
Another moment that really stood out to me was when we first see him use the wingsuit escaping from the police station. He bursts out onto the roof and clearly has a moment of very real "oh SHIT that's high up" before he collects himself and takes the leap. The Batman we're used to is very acclimated to yeeting himself off buildings, but he had to overcome that first bit of butt-clenching first.
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Good point
All my fave UA-camrs like each other's content lol
Red with the hot facts yet AGAIN,
Also hi-Dee ho fellow human, are you enjoying wearing skin today?
Looking forward to the Detail Diatribe on The Batman!
It's what makes Batman so badass to me. Even starting out he has virtually no fear of anything and not very much experience and skill yet, but that lack of fear is what makes him so intimidating and formidable as a "super" hero. He's just a dude. But he's a dude with peak physical and mental strength, and a master mixed martial artist (maybe not precisely THIS Batman, but take Batfleck for example). He's not a normal human being. Which is why I can totally buy that he has the kind of feats he does against other actual superheroes. Batfleck uses a bunch of weapons against Superman fully knowing it's not gonna do anything physically to him. But Superman lets his guard down enough that Batman shoots him with a kryptonite smoke grenade and he literally catches it like "bitch really with this shit?"
Or with Keaton's Batman in the flash movie. Dude's an old man who hasn't been batman for potentially decades and straight up beats up those soldier's like he was ripped straight out of the Arkham games. And then even incapacitates a large kryptonian that Superman himself struggled with and gets right back up after literally being body slammed by him. Something that would have killed pretty much every normal human being instantly. And I know people have issues with both of those examples I just used because people apparently find it interesting to just have an extremely overpowered hero instantly kill everything. But I don't care, let Batman fans have some moments. Superman hasn't been interesting since Christopher Reeve anyway. Hopefully James Gunn can change that.
The Riddler's 'poor me' vibe is actually very comic accurate. The Riddler, being a genius, always felt he was underappreciated. He had severe narcissistic tendencies and his villainy was mostly just to prove that he was smarter and better than the 'World's Greatest Detective'. So of course, when something doesn't go his way, he denies it.
you could say that he denys it when there is "Something is the way"
@@epoppin5307 take a like and don’t return
shut up nerd
The only gripe I have is that the comics state that Riddler deduces that Bruce Wayne is Batman but refuses to acknowledge/believe it. So Riddler knowing Batman’s identity will cause problems in future sequels because villains can go to riddler for information, unless he chooses to gatekeep it but the ending between Joker and Riddler doesn’t make it seem that way.
@@CaptainJY01I don’t think he actually thinks Batman’s Bruce Wayne, but pretty much thinks Bruce shouldn’t get that attention.
Another point about his fighting style is that he's reckless and doesn't really bother to put up his guard. It really hammered in just how brutal and blinded by vengeance this young batman is.
He even said it himself: "Idc what happened to me"
And he’s not even arresting people. He’s just assaulting criminals and then walking away. Even allowing them to escape to get beaten another day. And he’s not actively trying to save their victims. It’s a great way to show his growth through the movie from some angry force of violence to an actual hero.
@@thechad4485 it's like we started the movie with Batfleck and ended with BTAS Batman
@@joshevans3421 except batfleck actively murdered people
This
Its almost like your all depressed emo kids cutting there thighs in the school bathroom. If u think emo batman is great im sorrry u all need to touch grass and speak to a person in the real world😂
My litmus test for any Batman story is "Can you imagine this Batman comforting a scared child?"
So many Batman stories fail that test, but what I adore about this movie is that it is about Batman going from answering that question with a 'no' to answering it with a 'yes' by the end.
If you can’t imagine Batman comforting a child, then that’s not Batman. That’s just “The Punisher in a funny hat”.
@@JDMaverick6714Batfleck: WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME?
love me some red@@JDMaverick6714
I wish a live action could capture the essence of the Animated series.
An OSP fan, I see.
Something I love about the finale is how you have a very real, very scary group of people carrying out Riddler's plan but it also serves as an adaptation of the classic goons. Think about it, they're all dressed the same in a way that fits the villain's theme.
Same, it gave me January 6 vibes.
I bet a similar group will appear again, as proper henchmen
Great point, and also glory to me, the 400th like.
Lol@@PerovNigma
Yes! i love how realistic it is, a group of people that felt wronged by the wealthy going to extreme solutions and surround themselves with only like minded ppl online, its just like you learn in school! (its also terrifying how realistic this is)
Batman’s arc in this movie is perfectly surmised by one consistent bit of physical acting
1.) Bruce is visibly squinting in the entire scene where Alfred is trying to decode the first cipher because of daylight streaming in from the windows
(“Two years of nights have turned me into a nocturnal animal”)
2.) At the end, when Bruce is helping the woman being airlifted, he’s looking up, clear and wide-eyed in the daylight
Vengeance in the night -> Hope in the light
Ooooo!!!
That’s pretty good
That's actually really good, NICE detail.
Actually, the director got the nocturnal comment from friends who’d worked night shifts long term. They say you gradually evolve into a “nocturnal animal.”
Not enough wins added for the sound of the batmobile. It was glorious in theaters with it just rumbling your soul.
The sound design was top notch in this movie. With the soundtrack, the vehicles, and even Catwoman's friend getting killed on voicemail. That voicemail really shock me up the first time I watched, with how real it sounded.
Both the visuals and sound design were basically perfect in my eyes. Really effective and artistic
I got chills at the cinema
What's even crazier is that the sound was inspired by a Justin Bieber song being slowed down and pitched up or something like that. The same effect was applied to some other sound effect, though I can't recall what it was. It's a truly terrifying Batmobile sound.
i feel bad for those people who haven't experienced this moment
I think an often overlooked thing is how well this version nails Gotham. It's a 70's hellscape of urban decay rendered in late 19th century neogothic architecture intersperes with modernity. Good background design.
Thank you for this. I've mentioned before that Gotham has a very specific vibe. Dark Knight trilogy failed. It was basically just Chicago or Seattle or something. Then this movie happened and absolutely nailed the vibe of Gotham.
I actually remember reading somewhere in the comics (No idea if it's canon) that Gotham has _several_ magical curses attached to its very foundations. These curses are the reason Gotham is such a shithole and they have actually managed to overlap and accidentally cover each other's weak spots to the point that not even Constantine could fix it.
@@TheRedMan77 That's actually funny, got a source on the Constantine thing?
@@kingofhearts3185 Unfortunately no, I just remembered reading it somewhere a long time ago. But yes, it is quite funny.
So Chicago with bits of New York
PatBat did the ONE thing that NO OTHER Batman has done, acting with his eyes whilst being in his suit.
Literally every Batman has done that. Every single one.
not nearly as good as pattinson tho
@@neareed9241 Can agree with that.
Tom Hardy was the best eye actor in a Batman movie before Pattinson. That was an issue.
Since Keaton
I don't remember if you pointed it out but in the scene where Battinson gets into the club easily just by being Bruce Wayne vs how he first entered the club as Batman; it feels like it clicks in Bats' mind how useful/advantagerous being Bruce Wayne actually is besides just being absurdly wealthy.
The three club entrances showed his growth: the first two, as you described, but the third time is really the first time in the film where he's in costume and acts like we expect Batman to act: stealth his way in (because this time he's actually prepared) and arrange things to get the drop on the bad guys so that when the fight does start, he starts with an initial advantage based on more than his training and his toys.
@@keith6706 I forgot about that. Yeah, really interesting to see him properly and fully evolve into Batman.
One thing I appreciated about Batman the Animated Series was you saw not just Batman doing his thing, but Bruce Wayne doing everything he could to make the city better as well. Charities left and right. Donations, fundraisers, you even saw him peeling potatoes in a soup kitchen.
I hope as this Batman matures and heals from his trauma, he will realize how important Bruce Wayne can be for the change of Gotham that he wants. I can't wait to see this Batman grow into the Batman you've described.
I agree, but at the same time, I find this take on the character really refreshing. Such a broken and messed up character that doesn't really know how to cope with his trauma. Plus as everyone else has said, it's implied we'll see him grow and develop with every movie. This version of the character has so much potential.
I definitely believe we'll see character development for him in that way in the sequels. I reckon they had to focus on his trauma a lot more, and maybe in the next one slowly realises that he can use his wealth for change as well and even as he Bruce Wayne can inspire people, while also doing good as Batman
Bro watched the entire three-hour movie and still missed the idea. Bruce does not conduct charity/fundraising since opening his heart would make him vulnerable and risk losing people he cares about, which is why he sometime use the Bruce persona and occasionally uses it for missions (the entire Alfred hospital scene explained it) + People would not consider a greedy man like Bruce Wayne, warm and cozy in his tower to be a selfless hero like Batman ,out there in the cold fighting criminals.
@@Red_Spidey I didn't miss it at all. Was merely commenting about how I enjoyed one aspect of another Batman related franchise. And as others in this thread have said, this is the beginning of Bruce's arc. We will see more growth and evolution from him in future installments. No need for hostility, we're just here to discuss and enjoy batman.
for me the biggest thing this movie did well was that it showed Batman is a *detective.* It's such a good movie, albeit really long and at times slow.
Legitimately one of the main reasons why it’s my favorite Batman film. We all know that The World’s Greatest Detective is one of his monikers but this is the first time we’ve actually seen it on display
Exactly the only time we've ever truly seen Batman as the Detective are the Animated Shows & Movies. While the other movies had a hint of Detective in them, Batman Forever actually made an attempt...but it was small compared to The Batman which was more investigations than just straight up fighting.
A bad detective, but that is still more than most of these movies.
I'm never going to understand how this movie feels slow for some people, I don't say that from a superior stand point, I'm genuinely concerned that for as long as this movie is for me feels like such a fast and extremely entertaining time.
@@scottbayo8200 It is entirely possible that it's my ADHD at fault V:
When the Riddler goon said “I’m vengeance” that’s when Bruce realized he was inspiring the same evil he wanted to fight, and he realized to be a hero you need to inspire hope, not revenge. Hopefully the sequel will shine more light on this idea.
(First one to comment, yippee!)
It's the first superhero media thing that portrayed the whole "superheroes create the same evil they fight" argument correctly I have seen in a long time.
@@bessieburnet9816 I think the main reason it works is that the movie actually gives an answer. He has to become a symbol of hope rather than just fear and vengeance, the movie doesn't just say "Batman inspires the same evil he's fighting against and that's why superheroes are stupid and dumb"
Batman's arc in this film is what's missing in most modern interpretations of the character. Brilliant character writing.
I dont think it is as much "inspiring evil", but just that everyone has their own view of justice and how far they are willing to go. Batman saw his own actions(pure violence) as "Vengeance", justified.
But from the goon's perspective, what they are doing is justified too. They are not doing it for the sake of being evil, but because they want to do "something" against what they find wrong and corrupt about the city(even if misguided). They too see their form of "vengeance" as justified.
It is a similar realization to Batman(in other movies) being compared to the Joker. Just one wrong turn, and the roles might be switched.
If Alfred had died in the explosion, who knows what the grief might have led to?
When the goon says "I'm Vengeance", Batman becomes aware of how blind he has been to the world(and people) around him. That the end does not justify every and all means.
@@joshuasgameplays9850 Yes, exactly correct.
I honestly knew the movie was gonna be good with that opening "it's not just a signal it's a warning"
When I saw that in the cinema for the first time, my jaw was on the floor. I knew this was gonna be a different kind of batman movie and one of the best we've ever had.
"They think I’m hiding in the shadows, but I _am_ the shadows."
One thing that i dont think people talk about much is how strjpped down everything is. The batmobile is really just a muscle car with upgrades, catwoman's suit is just a catsuit with a headpiece etc. It makes it seem less impossible to make and very plausible that they were able to build these gadgets without drawing attention to themselves. I really like how everything felt like it fit in a realistic world.
Like they were all still getting themselves together, deciding who they were going to become. Costumes and tools put together form what was available, not wholly custom-made. It's a great aesthetic for a introduction to a character.
That's pretty much the vibe of the whole Batman Year One comic. Really cool
Man I remember when I first saw this movie, I knew it was something special, but what completely sold me on it was the fact that the lesson was for Batman to become a symbol of hope. I feel like Batman could easily turn into a punisher-like character, but this movie shows that there is more to Batman's character than just vengeance.
Batman is treated like a symbol of hope in the dark knight trilogies world, but they never really make it a central theme. Like that guy that joker tortures says he dresses like batman "because he's a symbol that we don't have to be afraid of scum like you". I dont feel like the symbol of hope for the people title is really earned for most of that trilogy though
The fight choreography felt like the arkham games. Especially using the grappling hook to chain combos
this whole movie felt so much like arkham
and its a huge win
😂 Nothing about this movie screams Arkham Batman. Arkham Batman isn't walking in front of gunfire as he’s disabled it with the disrupter. Arkham Batman is flipping around goons/ninja assassins/mercenaries/metahumans and can defeat them nearly on his deathbed in AC. Even though he wasn't Arkham Batman Affleck's warehouse scene was MUCH closer to being him. Imagine the warehouse scene with this idiot. He would walk through the front door or loudly bust through the same floor window. Allowing those TRAINED MERCENARIES to easily shoot and kill him. Hopefully he'll be closer to Arkham Batman In the sequels.
@@FriendlyBatDoom He literally does the capestun multiple times throughout the film, he has shock gloves, he has that metallic armour look for his suit, he does nasty brutal combos, his gotham looks pretty much identical to arkham knights gotham, and he also does actual detective work like arkham batman. This whole movie screams arkham batman
He use silat for this movie, you remember the raid? Thats silat
@@geordiemc4571 right! He used the grappling gun and pulled himself towards the next enemy for a flying punch to extend the combo. Loved that
I loved the Nolan movies, but this is my Batman. I really hope we get more than 1 sequel. It deserves it's own trilogy at least.
I definitly agree. This is the first Batman that has really pulled me into the character of Batman. Only Batman that I've watched over and over again.
It was confirmed it would be a trilogy 😊
same lmao, only batman that got my interest
Favorite bit is that Battison is too privileged to know what a carpeting tool is, so he doesn't figure out the Riddler's plan until it was too late.
Granted only people in the carpeting trade, or children with parents in that trade like the cop who identified it, but yeah he's supposed to be the world's greatest detective and lapsed in that moment.
"Is it a chrome-plated letter opener? A silver clam pry? A key to the city? Is it 'helicopter'?"
@@MM-vs2etto be fair, he's not the world's greatest detective yet. Heck, he wasn't even Batman in this movie until the last scene, he went by Vengeance for most of the movie
I love that it shows that he's still pretty new to being a detective. He didn't even think about the significance of the specific weapon Riddler used, what it was, why he had it, etc. Not until it was too late, like you said!
@MM-vs2et hit the nail on the head, my dad does floor installation so I instantly knew there was something significant about the carpet tucking tool. I though bats was crazy for not knowing what it was but I bet I could walk around even after the movie came out and ask people what it's for and most people couldn't answer
something i really loved about this film is how much it embraces elements that the movies usually ignore like the detective side of batman and his early years some of his less focused on enemies and even his flaws. that he isent infallible just a capable dude trying his best in his own traumatised way. my only criticism is i really don't want another version of the joker hes a grate villain but batman has a huge and awesome rouges gallery yet joker is overwhelmingly the one that gets adapted
Tbf Riddler isn't uncommon either, but this rendition of him was awesome.
I saw a video were they said a great next villain would be clay face but not the one that actually made out of clay I believe he was talking about the original one who would kill people and steal there faces
I saw this one at the theatre. And the introduction of the batmobile with the engine roaring made me smile like a child. Money well spent
Any chance to rewatch this EGA is going to be taken with gusto. The fake-out of the opening being the Wayne murders, to the cinematography, the sheer menace of Batman's introduction, and of course THE greatest Batmobile introduction of all time, this movie is absolutely fantastic.
I think the best part about the Batmobile introduction is that you know *exactly* how it was written out in the script based purely on what's onscreen. "And then it roars to life, screaming like a bat out of hell."
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Our reptilian saviour has come! The Veloci-Rapture is surely nigh!
couldn't agree more
EGA?
@@uku4171 Everything Great About.
I think there's a great opportunity to have a sequel that plays off the consequences of this movie: with the city now flooded The Penguin takes over Falcone's territory and looks towards consolidating all the "classic" criminal enterprises in the city (gambling, drugs, prostitution, etc). The new villain they could introduce is Mr. Freeze, since the flooding could be the incident that destroys his lab and turns him from doctor trying to cure his wife to insane villain who will stop at nothing to bring back his beloved. I'm picturing someone like Mark Strong for the role.
They're doing a Penguin series on HBO Max that follows Penguin in the days after this movie and it looks like he's doing exactly what you're talking about
@@dammagrilla oh cool! Wasn't aware of that! Well that's 50% of my idea. If they hire Mark Strong I'll have to sue for intellectual property theft! 😂
Aren’t they doing Clayface ?
@@dashingdreww1185 not sure, but still sounds awesome.
@@Rukhage Yeah, I'm pretty sure it comes out in 2024 sometime
Looks like Penguin versus Maroni and others for control of Gotham after Falcone's death
When I first watched this with a friend when Batman first appeared they were terrified. She hadn't watched anything to do with Batman and I love that the first thing she thought was that he is terrifying. Batman is meant to scare people and I love that he was able to put that fear into her.
They?😂
@sup3414 Yeah, you dork, saying "they" is entirely valid when referring to someone as it is a gender-neutral term and as such can be used interchangeably with any other pronoun.
@@moonlightillari Yeah dork, but he then later reveals the gender of the friend when he typed SHE in the second sentence. So why bother typing "they" to begin with...
@@moonlightillari what about dork?
@@moonlightillari you are 100% correct, but the commenter uses they once and then only uses she and her afterwards
I love that we get to see a young new budding Batman while Bruce Wayne is still trying to figure out how to be a face of the public, you can see the two iterations of him kind of fighting. I knew we were in for a good ride when Something in the Way was the first song we hear.
With this Batman understanding how useful hope can be, I can't wait to see Batman and Bruce Wayne coexist with each other.
He's not "new" to the job though...
@@sup3414 fairly new in the grand scheme of things. Still trying to find his footing.
Genuinely my favorite superhero film of all time. The cinematography, the score, the acting. Everything about it paints a love letter to the comics that made the character. Every half hour feels like a comic issue in a 6 issue mini series and no comic film has made me feel like that in a positive way. Truly a masterpiece
No matter how good or bad any Batman movie, show or game is, i never saw a bad version of Alfred. No matter who plays Alfred, its always good
The Batman is a cinematic triumph. Robert Pattinson's portrayal is captivating, his intense voice and expressive eyes adding depth. The film's focus on Batman's detective skills elevates it, with stellar performances from the entire cast. I loved this movie and can't wait for the next one.
It's the little details that reward you in this movie I really enjoy. Vengeance tends to stare at people, upping his creep factor. Later back in his cave, you realize his stare lingers because his contacts are always recording. Bruce knows there's something he'll miss that he'll pick up later, so best to stare for a little bit to take everything in, then do more sleuthing back in the batcave.
You pointing out the Vader-style introduction is spot on. I've said since the first time I saw this that this Batman's theme music sounds somewhat like the Imperial Death March theme.
I don't know who said it first, but i completely agree with the following sentence.
The Batman is the origin story of Bruce Wayne.
As you said, he is Batman. Bruce Wayne is the mask. This movie dives into why he dons the mask of Bruce. Why he participates more with Wayne Enterprise. The charities, the donations, the philanthropy.
He does learn to become a better Batman, but there are limitations to what Batman can do. There are some things only Bruce Wayne can do.
Outstanding point!
Week 157 of Asking For Everything Great About Dead Man's Chest.
I second this reqeust
Hot take: the best pirates of the Caribbean movie
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Everything....everything about it is great
I third this request. Good movie. Still fantastic franchise.
F*** Amber.
One thing I’m surprised he didn’t point out (at least as far as I know) is the music at 6:20 it’s playing in the club in-universe, but that repeating sting really sells the tension of Selena and Vengeance sizing each other up, trying to look into the others head
This film was 🔥.
I’m burnt out on the superhero genre, but this was the truth.
I loved the little nods to all previous iterations of Batman. Comic books with the gun fight in the dark. 60’s with the weird little wall climb and grandiose buildings like Burton’s version and a tiny nod to Elfman’s theme during a car chase. There were more.
There is not a Batmobile I do not like. But this one was the most realistic and I loved everything about it.
This was the first Batman movie I was old enough to watch, and I think it was a great intro into the character. It made me want to go back and watch all the other iterations. I loved how almost... pathetic Bruce was as opposed to Batman. He dons the suit and a whole different persona comes out. If he had met Selina as Bruce, there's no way he'd be able to even talk to her, let alone get a kiss.
Well, thanks for making me feel ancient in just 12 words.
@@SiilanPies welcome. Happy to help!
This was definitely noticed since Bruce Wayne is typically written as a playboy billionaire and he plays it up to divert suspicion that he is Batman since Bruce would instead be too busy sleeping with models, partying and travelling.
You see it perfectly in the dark knight when he takes the Russian ballet dancers as a cover to go to Hong Kong.
I’m sure this version of Bruce Wayne will develop more into that as this is the early years as Batman.
Batman is the real version of Bruce and Bruce Wayne is the mask he hides behind.
Something that is driven home in other Batman stories is that Batman is not the mask for Bruce Wayne but Bruce Wayne is the mask for Batman.
That is sooo true. I can't wait for RobBat to realize how important Bruce Wayne can be to help change Gotham. He can do this, or like what another commenter said, he could donate shit loads of money and create fundraisers. I am vvery interested to see what RobBat does.@@OutrageousLilKillers
It was nice to hear a take on this film thats not an ignorant take and comparisons to previous batman portrayals. Some people overlook the fact this is a young batman and Bruce who are going through an identity crisis arc and finds a way at the end.
I’m so glad the shot at the beginning with Riddler in the background got recognized. One of my favorite moments in the movie.
Favorite part of this film they actually make Batman a hero someone who wants to save people.
Best CBM of all time in my opinion, transcends the genre and turns into this incredible crime saga with fantastic performances, dialogue and cinematography. It could be 4 hours long and I wouldn't mind it whatsoever.
Yes
this movie was exactly what I wanted from a Batman movie. an early part of his career still figuring out who he is. just perfect
I'd call attention to the opening scene with the kid (later orphan) in an outfit intended to evoke the Red Hood. Definitely something they could come back to later.
That sounds like a reach, the outfit is just a red ninja outfit, saying it is intended to evoke Red Hood is like saying someone in a black ski mask it meant to evoke Black Mask
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@@DoubleDunked20obviously a ski mask is intended to evoke mr. Freeze, since people wear ski masks when it's cold smh
Edit: now that I think about it, I wouldn't be surprised if they did put Freeze in a ski mask with a breathing tube attached or something in a sequel to this movie.
@@uku4171 Honestly yeah I can see Freeze rocking it unironically 😂
I think any red hood fan would eat up a Matt reeves take on Jason, understandably
Quick note: the 1940 movie is called the Mark of Zorro. Mask of Zorro is the Antonio Banderas flick.
Drrrrrrrrrrrr
I'm a carpet fitter, so in the opening scene i was like "oh he's using a bolster, thats fun." So the reveal that it was actually used for carpet fitting towards the end made me go crazy, i love it
I'd definitely recommend also reading the riddler tie in comic, it was written by Paul Dano himself and it fleshes out his character even further
Yeah after reading the comic I completely get him
one thing I'd like to point out is that the Ave Maria rendition at 9:10 is not in a minor key but in the Phrygian mode, which is why the melody has a threatening quality to its sound due to the semitone resolution downwards. its a great touch that implies that the cop isn't safe and that something is going to go wrong in the scene.
…googling…Phrygian mode… … … ahhhh yes, my mistake.
I actually love this kind of information and I’ll be spending wayyyy too much time reading more about it later
@@CinemaWins modes and music theory are super interesting! glad I could share the knowledge
I was pleasantly surprised with this movie. I had my doubts when I heard Robert Paterson was going to be Batman. He did a hell of an amazing job in the roll. This is one of the best Batman movies - I'm including the animated movies in this assessment.
This is an S-tier breakdown of the Batman, bravo.
I loved Nolan's Batman movies, I love Tim Burton's original Batman - but The Batman was one of the graphic novels come to life. I can't describe how satisfying it was to see us get arguably the most faithful adaptation of Batman on screen to date.
What do you think of Batman Returns?
I loved the raw, brutal, visceral nature of his fight choreography.
Pattinson has been studying in Karate, Capoeira, Kickboxing, Tai Chi, and Aikido since age 6.
And studied Filipino martial arts with Robert Alonzo for his fight training for this movie.
And his familiarity and physicality shows in his performance.
7:00 'Pawkour', it was right there man!
Best Batman movie in my opinion
I've seen this movie 30 times, and yet every time I watch it, I'm in awe from beginning to end
The _Dark Knight_ trilogy is my personal pinnacle for Batman in cinema. But if that trilogy didn't exist, _The Batman_ would definitely be my favorite.
Me too, in the theater twice, on a plane, own it digitally.
what about the chase scene where he's neglecting the lives of civilians and crashing all those cars? I don't think any batman has done something like that, nor should they
@@deusexmaximum8930 IIRC I feel like penguin takes out most of the civilian cars. Was the chase a bit reckless on batman's part? Sure. But I don't think he's actively hurting people, just being very singleminded in his pursuit of... well... Vengeance. Thematic!
@sebastianturner2458 good point. I will have to watch it again, closer this time (oh, just realized that scene is on UA-cam, wait, haha)
Once again CinemaWins manages to vocalise exactly how I feel about movies. Bravo as always! Happy Holidays!
Dude... you missed some of the awesome. Like, how his billionaire status caused mistakes on both sides. Riddler sent the bomb in the mail because he couldn't reach the reclusive Bruce in person, but growing up poor, it didn't occur to him that rich people don't open their own mail. They have people to do that. He also assumed that Bats would know what a tucker was. Again... why would a billionaire know what a carpenter's tool is? A blue collar cop had to tell him what it was. That disconnect was BRILLIANT. Also, this could have been called Bruce Wayne begins, because Bruce is only really in it for three scenes. Driving to save Alfred (that fear on his face) and talking to Falcone about his dad and sitting by Alfred in the hospital. He's never Bruce in any other scene - Even out of costume, he's Batman. He makes a point that he doesn't care about his family's money, but realizes that if he had been paying attention to it, this whole mess might never have happened. So he needs to start being Bruce. I friggin' love this film.
Something cool I noticed in the fight choreography - have you noticed that Catwoman here primarily fights with kicks? In real life cats' strongest body part are those powerful hind legs, which help them make amazing leaps and why, when attacked, they use their hind legs to kick. And I think this is on purpose - not only Selina's style matches with her hero persona, but also for a person of a smaller stature like her it makes more sense to use her legs more (keeps opponents at a distance and are powerful moves).
I've watched this a number of times now, I LOVE IT, the cinematography is unreal. St George's Hall was used for the City Hall, blows me away they filmed so many things in Liverpool!
Another win for me personally: Batman throughout the film does not attack unprovoked: he let's the gang iniate run away unscathed, he charges forward at the club on his way to penguin, only going at the guards when they come at him. But when he does attack? It's fucking brutal as hell.
It plays into that one track mindset with barely controlled rage he has as vengeance.
The fights in general are the only time I've really seen anyone play into the fact that Bruce hurts criminals more than he needs to while still making this Batman one of the most hopeful inspiring ones (or at least on the road to be that Batman)
Colin Ferrel did SO GOOD. Absolutely loved his performance
I also thought riddler was going to be hush because the dead reporter’s last name was Elliot. I legit thought riddler was going to be both Edward Nygma and Thomas Ellioy
My favorite Batman Movie. And we need to talk more about Michael Giacchino and Greig Fraser! The Soundtrack and the cinematography are insane. Greig‘s killing it lately 😭👍
Its not only the best Live Action Batman movie, its just a really good movie.
Its so good on so many levels.
Watched it 6 times in cinemas and I enjoyed every time.
Robert Pattinson is a fantastic actor, not that you'd know it from the Twilight Saga. However, he also despises the franchise, and is thriving a decade later, as he's literally Batman. Similarly, Kristen Stewart is an Oscar Nominee.
bro realy said bland and unattractive
This movie was so much better than I expected. The trailers made it look more like Batman was just a tough guy in a costume but that was just the brutality of Vengeance. And the actual detective story was a stand out for me.
Loved the new Batmobile as well. Something about the design made it seem predatory. That moment when it comes flying out of the fireball is just amazing. Between that and that music playing as Batman approaches make seem like an unstoppable supernatural force.
23:05 agree
honestly the brilliance of this film isn’t talked about enough, one of the best iterations of the Batman in recent times
always hated on by marvel stans since it doesn't have any funny one liners, by batfleck stans cuz his solo movie was cancelled, and by nolan fans because this batman is inexperienced or too edgy
This is one of those rare movies where the three hour run time didn't feel like three hours and just flew by. In fact, when the credits rolled, I wanted more. Just give Reeves and Pattinson the reins and let them make more of this.
Thank you for reuploading the two parter into one long video, so it's perfect for watching in one sitting.
Man, I know the whole point of this channel is to find something to love in every film, but I really do love seeing him do films that I personally enjoy as opposed to ones I don't
2:26 I just realized that the kid recording probably posted it on TikTok and that's why penguin called him vengeance at the club!
"Wait Bruce is a billio-" love it
I think running down the building is an Adam West nod, as is his cowl. The mask portion has a distinct "Adam Westy" shape to it.
You citing the Se7en and Saw influences was spot-on. I felt the same vibes when I first saw it, and Riddler ultimately succeeding with his plan (at least partially) is in keeping with Se7en's DNA, just we had a apocalyptic flood instead of a "What's in the booooooooooox?!" moment. Maybe that'll happen later after we've gotten to know Jason for a bit. Just putting it out there...
This Batman is the best Batman. My absolute favorite. I'll always have a huge soft spot for the Burton movies, but this… this is a whole step above and beyond. A gritty, down-to-earth Batman with real gravitas, and at the same time a great detective who's at his best when he's solving things with his mind rather than his fist. The movie is just a masterpiece; beautiful, haunting. I never felt it was slow; or rather, I never felt like its slowness was a bad thing. It takes its time, and that's a good thing. Snyder (as he is wont to do) completely missed the point of Batman and squandered the potential. This one made things right.
Thank you for your positivity and sharing your love of movies!
I really hate when people say “why doesn’t Batman use his money to help?!” HE DOES!
This movie showed why it doesn’t work that easily… when the whole system is corrupt, giving money doesn’t mean anything when it goes into corrupt pockets instead of where it’s needed.
Batman canonically does give a ton of money, he has a dozen charities and organizations that help the poor and support Gotham, but they fight an uphill battle against corruption, greed, and cruelty.
He fights from both sides at the same time. He fights dangerous crime by night and white collar crime by day. He never rests.
This movie basically shows that… his father left a massive fortune for the city to build orphanages and update infrastructure and all of the money got stolen and used for crime. That’s what always happens…
Corrupt politicians, corrupt businesses and contractors, and money that keeps disappearing makes it basically impossible to change anything with money.
One thing I loved that wasn't mentioned was the carpet tucker. A person who has been working their whole life might recognize it, but Bruce, having lived rich all his life, misses the obvious connection. If that cop hadn't been there, he migut have been too late. In some ways it just goes to show how isloated Bruce really is from the rest of Gotham.
This movie had me on the edge of my seat. Like, I suddenly realized halfway through the movie that I was not taking advantage of the plush reclining seats of the theatre and sitting as far forward as I could because I was that invested in the movie. Really drove home the meaning of the expression for me, I've never had that happen with any other movie
Something you mentioned earlier in the video about Bruce seeing Batman as the only way to help the city got me thinking...especially in this version of Gotham....
He would be one wealthy person trying to fight uphill and change things. One wealthy person that, to other wealthy people, is trying to buck and upend the system. The system that is terrible, but also makes wealthy people very wealthy. Newer Batman stories are kind of exploring that element a bit more (ie, the Court of Owls), but I like this idea as subtext to Bruce's actions. It's not just that he is damaged enough to the point to think this is his only way to fix the world, but a recognition that if he was to do anything openly, the world would move hard to 'correct' it.
this is truly one of the greatest channels on yt!! A place where fans can talk about the art they loved and discover details they might have missed, it's rare that something positive has success these days! Much love to all u guys ❤
You mention it a few times here but honestly in this iteration I didn’t really get the sense that the “no guns” rule was really about sparing lives and more about him avoiding the same weapon that killed his parents. We see him do violent, furious, and sadistic things to the goons in this movie and he clearly doesn’t have much regard for their well-being, so I think it makes more sense if the no-guns rule is more about him still being hurt and traumatized by his parents’ death because of how early into his Bat-career he is.
Yeah, at this point Bruce just wants to punish villains he's not trying to set an example. Guns are probably just a trauma trigger, or using them would make him feel no better than the criminals.
There's a kind of art to the colour grading the warm lights contrasted with the cold rain like a showcase for a high definition adobe program. A crisp and clean stylish look that fits batman and gotham. ah love it
This batman movie is honestly one of the best I love this movie, never got tired of it. I could watch it 1000 times.
Gunna be honest. My number 1 movie of all time. It has SO MUCH passion, thought, and effort put in. You can tell everyone here truly cares about making not just a good movie, but a good Batman story. I look at this character and can see the roots of the man Kevin Conroy (rip) played to utter perfection for so many years. The Batman that'll sit on a swing with a reality warper child who was broken and turned into a weapon. The man who'd sit next to her, hold her hand, and soothe her fear as she slips away. THAT is Batman. He's a symbol of hope, a hero, a representation of sheer willpower and the need to do what's right, no matter how hard it is. Pattinson plays a Batman I can see becoming that man. It's a story of him taking that first step. On top of that, the lines. Everything he says under the mask captures the smart ass, dry sarcasm most good Batmen are known for. The delivery is different but I could put any of my favorite batman actors/vas into these lines perfectly. He's a darker, younger btas batman and I can't wait for more. THE SHOTS IN THIS MOVIE ARE TOP NOTCH TOO. Reeves obviously wanted more of an art piece than a block buster and he NAILED it. The flare shot is my favorite shot in a piece of visual media. It's just. Perfect. Everything Battinson went through lead to this defining moment. He literally becomes the light in Gotham's darkest hour. Him leading the citizens out, a literal beacon of hope. Like. How does one beat that? The final act of this movie is just amazing and that moment and the girl holding his arm, only for him to soothe her, to hang on and give her that comfort she needs. DUUUUDE. Just. Yes. This movie is yes.
Arguably one of the best Batman interpretations!
On par with the Dark Knight trilogy
the only versions of batman that surpass this one for me are
1.the animated batman of 1992
2.the arkhamverse batman
funnily enough, both voiced by Kevin Conroy, an icon
Every interpretation is arguably the best. It might not be correct, but it's arguable.
@@alexo_pog couldn’t agree more kevin conroy is the definitive Batman
9:13 I want to mention here too, this whole sequence seemed like an homage to "Halloween", with the fogged up windows and backseat ambush. That would make sense, coming from a horror director.
You put into words why I feel this might be my favourite Batman film, as a longtime fan of the character and the source material this is probably my favourite iteration and story. I know it's blasphemy but the more I think about this movie the more I think that I might prefer it over TDK. The Batman is the best Batman movie, Dark Knight is the best movie. I have a few friends that just didn't like this as casual fans of the character and much prefer TDK, I think I've realised that TDK was a great film for the masses that happened to be a Batman story, The Batman is truly for those who intimately know the character and it's awesome. To me, it's the iteration that longtime fans have been waiting for, the respect and homage to the source material on Matt Reeves' part is incredible and the further attention and care he gives to craft this film is what the character has needed for a long time.
This is what sets Batman above all other comic book superheroes: every member of his Rogues Gallery shows him a little more of who he's MEANT to be and he changes and grows from their encounters.
I want at least one or two more movies in this series... I don't know I'd they said they were ever going to do sequels, but I would love it.
I'm pretty sure there's a sequel on the way
sequal expected to release in 2025
Sequel in the way. Hmmmmmmm.
Also the batverse is getting an Oz and Arkham asylum TV show on HBO Max (and I'm guessing for UK audiences either sky max (or whatever they called sky one/Atlantic)
we need Spinoffs, Movies, TV's, Comics and everything on Reeves Batman universe, It's just way too interesting to not shed a light upon.
Thanks!
Long have I waited. Really love this movie and wanted a EGW video on it.
I just have to say this is my first comment on either channel wins or sins, but I never feel compelled to leave any comment because every time I watch one of the videos I’m always like man you always hit the nail on the head like what more can I say this is just my way of giving a little shout out or some praise
This was the first live Batman movie I'd seen that didn't feel like it was completely missing the point of his character.
31:05 Danos design and costume were based on the real life Serial Killer, the Zodiac Killer, who killed people in the 60s and 70s while leaving clues and ciphers behind. His costume is ripped straight from an illustration done for the San Francisco Police by Robert Graysmith. HIS SYMBOL IN THE FILM WAS THE KILLERS SYMBOL WITH A QUESTION MARK IN THE MIDDLE.
This movies score is legendary
I just had to watch this one with the ‘good headphones’. The sound and the music is sooo good in this movie.
Anyway, thanks and keep up the EGA’s and have an awesome ‘24 yall!!
One thing I really want in the next Battinson movie is to sort of grow out of the whispery, quiet Batman voice and get into the solid and sure Batman voice that Kevin Conroy pulled off. Kevin Conroy's Batman had his Bruce Wayne voice sound like he was putting on a fake, nonchalant voice, whereas his Batman voice always seemed to be his real voice, and also sounded very sure, confident, determined, powerful. We've yet to see that done on the big screen.
13:20 I love how Batman's literally upside-down in the shot, walking on the 'ceiling' just like a bat.
Finally, this movie was incredible. I cannot say this enough but Pattinson is my favourite Batman!
The soundtrack for this film is incredible! Also I love Colin Farrell as Penguin/Oswald. He kinda reminds me of young Robert De Niro.
This is a movie where it feels like at a few points a win counter could reach unlimited and have to reset
It's refreshing that someone is giving the soundtrack the credit it deserves. This is one of the first movies in a really long time that blew me away with the music.
Now I just need the Pirates of the Caribbean and I’ll have all my favourites ticked off by EGA
I could have sworn they did PotC already.
@@jakushkadarkstalker6278 they did potc but not dead man's chest or at worlds end