What Titanic's Survivors Thought of the Movies
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- Опубліковано 20 лип 2024
- Most of us nowadays tend to learn about parts of history from movies - it's hard not to get swept up in the excitement of cinema! For some the truth is the opposite - they experience incredible events only to see them represented in hollywood down the line. So it was with Titanic's survivors, with movies coming out about the sinking less than a month after the vessel was lost. In this video we'll explore what Titanic's survivors thought of the various movies made about their experiences. From Dorothy Gibson's 'Saved from the Titanic' of 1912 to 'Titanic' of 1953, 'A Night to Remember' of 1958 and 'Titanic' of 1997.
Thanks to our partners @TitanicHG for their spectacular animations, created by the brilliant Jack Gibson @jackganimations
This video could not have been possible without the exceptional research of two websites; the first, Encyclopedia Titanica which is the absolute go-to source for all information about Titanic’s passengers and crew. You can actually lose a whole day just browsing this site. This video is based on an article originally written and researched by Mike Poirier for the Titanic International Society journal:
Encyclopedia Titanica (2021) Survivors give their impressions of Titanic movies (Titanica!, ref: #578, published 13 October 2021, generated 12th May 2024 12:21:37 AM); URL : www.encyclopedia-titanica.org...
The second is ‘Titanic’s Officers’ which goes into great detail on the story behind Boxhall’s involvement with A Night to Remember, I highly recommend it as it is a fascinating read;
www.titanicofficers.com/titan...
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The fact that there were seven survivors even alive when James Cameron’s film came out is a testament to the resilience of the people that night.
I read this as “seven survivors eaten alive.”I need a nap or something 😅
@@marissahicks3529 😆
I have felt that way whenever I hear about Holocaust survivors in their '80s. The best revenge ever is to survive.
Wdym? Rose was also a survivor
@@maxmusic5380Yeah but she was canceled for not letting Jack on to the door
A Titanic movie 29 days after the sinking with an actress who survived…
It’d be like making a movie about 9/11 a month after the event with one of the people trapped in one of the towers who survived.
Simply inhuman
@@Kawabongahlive And yet a similar thing happened. In the months after 9/11, a bunch of games came out about the attacks. ua-cam.com/video/D5GQCHjtimg/v-deo.html
I know there's a lot of complaints about the haphazard "self censorship" media companies did after 9/11 but I'm absolutely certain if they hadn't, we'd have seen exactly that attempted by someone.
@@JoboGamezzz Honestly... in modern times... I could see a mini-documentary being made. Gibson's movie was basically just her PoV of the events. This IS a format that many things have used in later years. But they had... less re-enactment in them.
I mean, it's a little different? Nobody but the survivors saw the Titanic sink, so most people only had the newspaper descriptions to go on. There was perhaps some mystery around it, and it was more of a tragic accident, so that may have lead to more of a demand for a dramatic reenactment. But everyone saw 9/11, around the world. There was little mystery about what happened, and it was a pointed attack, so most people wanted to avoid being reminded of those images for years after. But, yeah, even with all that in mind, a month out for a film version was waaaaay too soon. 1912 was wild, man.
I wouldn't mind a film about The Carpathia. From what I understand, the rescue and voyage to New York was a masterclass in compassion and humanity.
Carpathia’s captain was incredible. Rostron immediately turned his own ship around even before getting more information, deciding it was better to spend that hour turning around only ti find out afterward that it was a false alarm and losing a couple hours for his passengers, than to focus on getting more info and losing time that people needed to survive. He immediately jumped into the mode of what would be best for the survivors. The heart-stopping thing is that he took his ship right into the field of ice, without a second thought, and could have sunk his own boat. But he had to try, and then was dismayed at how few people were left. He could have taken them to another White Star ship and continued his own voyage, but realized seeing another ship identical to the one they just lost loved ones on would be too hard. He also made the decision to leave as quickly as possible rather than to try to retrieve bodies so that the survivors wouldn’t have to see what was left. These days, some idiots say he did the wrong thing since there were bodies that were not recovered in the end, and some idiots now say that he traumatized the people whose loved ones weren’t recovered, but realistically, he did the right thing by not making them have to watch recover efforts. He and his crew also did their best to somewhat imprison two of their own passengers who were reporters since he didn’t want the survivors to be stuck being questioned by reporters when they needed space to grieve. The reporters lost access to paper and pencils and all kinds of things, though they still managed to get writing implements and threw notes in a bottle over the side of the ship when they go back to New York.
Rostron’s name should be known as well as Smith’s. I would love a movie about this.
Agreed. I would love to see a movie from that perspective
Yes, we totally need a Titanic movie from Carpathia's perspective!
a film on carpathia would be find but it need the right director and be accurate i would be find with a docomantary with actors playing the ship crew like it was a movie or something
I can't believe this hasn't happened yet! I'd definitely love to watch!
the fact that watching it brings back trauma for many survivors to the point where they can't finish the movie,, shows it was VERY realistic.. especially for back in those days..
well, lots of traumas is actually quite easy to trigger, all it takes is a hint, a scream, or a smell...
@@PATISLAV That's what I was about to reply. We know how well trauma was treated at that time (not at all...) and it can take very little to trigger untreated trauma for the rest of a survivor's life. So it's just as likely that the event was that traumatic as that the movie was realistic.
@@lestatsluv317 Effective therapy for trauma existed by 1997 what are you talking about 💀 Edit for clarity: And I do mean BY 1997, obviously IN 1912 things wouldn’t have been good at all. But by the time the movie came out there was help available that some modern therapists even use and there had been for a while
@@PATISLAV As someone with severe ptsd I can tell you for certain if they were THAT fragile they wouldn’t have even tried to watch it. If they did it’s because they thought they could handle it going in based on their experiences with how their own body reacts to trauma, and they had 80 years to learn themselves
@@OcarinaLink24 That's ONE Titanic movie that came out when just a couple of the survivors were still alive (all of them small children during the sinking). Most of this video focused on the movie that came out in the 50's and, no, effective treatment for trauma did not really exist yet nor would you be likely to see people who were adults in 1912 having the knowledge to seek treatment when the trauma from the sinking was triggered by that movie. There are people today, despite having access to the Internet, who do not understand the concept of triggers.
One of the most impactant reactions of the 1997 movie is that of Michel Navatril (one of the Titanic orphans and the last male Titanic survivor to pass away).
He asked to watch it privately, and loved the sailing sequences and the atmosphere of glory and joy it sparkled, but at the sinking he “immersed on what his father may had experienced that night” and cried.
And then he saw Fabrizio's acting and cried some more.
@@kev3dawww come on leave poor Fabrizio alone. Hasn’t he suffered enough?
@@cliff9685Smoke kills is what they say right
@@cliff9685 Some things just cannot be forgiven. For example: "I cana alreadya see the Statue ah Leeberty. Of course, shesa very asmall."
Christ.
Great video, Mike! If I may, I'd like to add another survivor's opinion of the films. When I was 13 years old, the film 'Raise The Titanic' was released. I discovered there was a Titanic survivor who lived five minutes away from me, and his number was in the phone book. My dad suggested I call him and ask if he would be so kind as to sit down and chat with me, and that happened. Marshall Drew was 8 years old, traveling second class with his aunt and uncle. Sadly, his uncle perished. First, I had asked if he'd seen 'Raise The Titanic', which I had seen opening week. He said he did, and he thought the special effects were wonderful, but I do remember him saying that it most likely would NOT happen in real life IF (big word then) they ever found the ship. I asked him if he had seen both the 1953 'Titanic' and 'A Night To Remember' (which I had on TV, mind this is before VHS) and he said he had, but he far preferred 'A Night To Remember' as he thought the Hollywood film was too much like a soap opera that happens to take place on the Titanic. I agreed, there were far too many interesting REAL stories about the people on that ship, it was unnecessary to make some up. Sorry, Mister Cameron. Mr. Drew passed away in 1986, but I'll never forget that kindness and the stories he shared on that afternoon.
What an amazing memory you have all thanks to your Dad for encouraging you and the Titanic survivor.
Awesome story! What were his thoughts when the ship was found?
The point of the made-up story was to highlight the class divide in a way that the real stories couldn’t have.
@noelletakesthesky3977
Ah yes, destroying the reputation of real people by outright lying in the movie that most people see as a fairly accurate recreation is totally justified because “rich people bad”.
That's an awesome experience...were you able to record, audio or video, of your interview/conversation with him?
I'm an extra in the 1997 movie. I'm in the life boat with Billy Zane and I'm one of the floating dead. It was a really great experience.
This made me laugh out loud to picture it.
So you were both alive and dead.
schrodingers extra 😂
Joke aside what a unique experience to be in that film in any regards next time I watch I'll look out for you.
"The Floating Dead"....good name for an alternative rock band.
@@aaron-andrewchristopherham4380 😹good one!
Awesome! How did they film that scene, like where?
After the Titanic sank some of the survivors were brought through Ellis Island in New York. My Nana..my mother's mother...was 7 years old, and she had just landed on Ellis Island with her family from Poland (where they had nearly starved to death before coming to New York). She remembered seeing...these were her words...beautiful ladies in long fur coats with some other people quietly walking by. They looked sad then happy when other people came to hug them and help them. She remembered being told the sad people were on a big ship that had an accident, and now they were going home. It was the Titanic.
amazing!
I am so sorry your nana was nearly starving back in Europe. No wonder people were so glad to move to America.
Crazy.
They have pictures of the lifeboats on the docks in NYC.
sad
That picture of Joseph Boxhall watching A Night To Remember gets me. While his face is turned away from the camera, you can clearly see the emotional impact it’s having on him. 😢 The movie’s directors were making sure everyone’s story from that night was never forgotten.
"A Night To Remember" is terrifying. It made me feel like I was a stowaway, watching the conversation go from pleasantries and bravado, to the horror of what the iceberg had wrought to the ship and meant for many of the passengers.
That photo of Boxhall watching A night to remember is so surreal and sad...
Great photo. I wonder why it hasn't become iconic.
@@voyaristika5673 Because of the context and story.
It was staged. I doubt he watched the whole movie by himself. Just for the camera and a feature in a magazine. You've got to know how the media works. Don't be fooled.
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@@original.dwornboy he is very well lighted in that shot :)
This is why UA-camrs making documentaries like this is my favorite part of this era. This is way better than growing up with the History Channel. Such good quality, and I don't have to listen to a dozen TV experts sail the same things we already know, lol. I mean bless those production teams for inspiring us, but this is totally the premium entertainment of the day
Eugh, the History channel...
Agree, I can't stand the dramatised narrations and 'suspenseful' music in TV-produced documentaries anymore. It completely breaks my immersion. UA-camrs have set the new gold standard in documentaries; no cheap drama, no manipulative music. Just factual and respectful.
@@funkyfranx Me too. The cheesy reenactments are the worst!
Yes, and thanks to this gent for treating us to his calm - and very real - voice, instead of using a scary AI voice.
Yes indeed, I completely agree.
I mean there is a hell of alot of rubbish and even more regurgitated crap produced by money grabbing attention seekers and wannabes but the selection of well made, well written, researched, presented and produced documentries, podcasts, programmes and general productions available to us on every subject is superb and would have loved to have had all this available when I was a teenager.
Mainstream Channels like 'The History Channel' should be ashamed of themselves.
It may not be appropriate to make entertainment of disaster, but it keeps the memory alive.
It's a miracle that Titanic didn't become a forgotten lost ship as so many were.
Before the advent of radio, a ship was only realised to be lost when it is late arriving in port.
I wouldn’t call it “entertainment”. They are supposed to be historically homages to educate people.
yes, the "wireless telegraph" was a very new invention at that time. If it had not existed there likely would have been no survivors and perhaps a small amount of debris discovered weeks afterwards.
I would say a movie about this is about as entertaining as a movie like Passion of the Christ: It isn’t and it isn’t meant to be. The only emotion it can really make you feel is shock, horror, sadness, a desire that it never happens again…
This channel has done more to humanize and understand the Titanic than any other medium ive seen.
Mike should have his own media exhibit in all the Titanic museums given the great and accurate info he has provided through the year's. He's earned it.
I'd recommend tasting history with max miller. He did a titanic month recreating menus, but also tracked down first hand accounts and discussed both the voyage and sinking. It's another very humanizing, respectful source if it's one you're interested in seeing more of
@@fleurpouvior2967 Thats a grats channel too. Ird be cool to see a colab
I always wondered what my great grandfather thought about the Titanic films. He was Albert Horswill, crewman and survivor- he never spoke much about Titanic for obvious reasons.
Fears
Perhaps PTSD..Glad he lived & hope he lived life to the fullest.. Titanic is such a horror story due to marine history.
amazing to see how much history your family has..
@@WhiteCattStudios Yeah, just strange to think about it sometimes. Thing is, he was in the navy and also made 30 plus trips on RMS Oceanic. I bet he wished to have been remembered for that instead of such a tragic event.
You should get in touch with the Titanic Historical Society and tell them all about it
During a dinner scene in A Night to Remember a woman at the end of the table picks up a sugar or salt shaker. The top falls off and its contents pour into her bowl. She looks up, sees the director hasn't noticed so continues on as if nothing has happened.
HAHAHAHA
I saw a documentary recently that mentioned an aspect I had never thought about. Nowadays, we are desensitized to violence, death, and destruction because of TV shows, movies, and the 24-hour news. Back then, they didn't have that constant bombardment of negative images. Most people had never witnessed anything so horrific as watching a huge ship sink, taking hundreds of people down with it, hearing people screaming in the darkness. The survivors were understandably traumatized, more so than people today would be.
You forget the period before the Hayes Code, the golden age of gritty crime thrillers. Violence was pretty cheap in film actually up until the Depression. Now, destruction on a mass scale like the kind shown in ANTR would have been rarer just because of effects budgets-but not unheard of.
Remember, the period from the late forties to early sixties was the heyday of monster movies and alien invasion thrillers like _War of The Worlds_ '53, or _Them_ (1954). Even before WWII, the worldwide craze ignited by 1933's _King Kong_ had audiences hooked on surprisingly realistic destruction and natural horror. There are some classic films from thay time that have scenes missing from them today because censors during the Cold War felt they were too distressing, despite audiences in the interwar years had no problem with them.
What set those precedents apart though was the fact that they weren't about real events that were personal to many of the viewers.
@DistractedGlobeGuy okay... but all that happened well after the Titanic disaster. People on that ship hadn't been exposed to any of that.
@@SomeGuy-qy9qh oh sure, you're talking about the real event. I was saying the movies.
I doubt that, it would be safe to say they were more desensitized to violence, death and destruction because life is brutal back then, they experienced things first hand or at least heard about stuff from newspapers
I’m 66 and remember my Grandmother who died in 1995 watching TV a getting worked up over the violence. I couldn’t understand why? Now I do. TV wasn’t on all day only for news or a good movie. The radio was on in the morning for news!
A seldom mentioned bit of Titanic trivia... In the Victorian city of Ballarat, there's a bandstand rotunda on Sturt street which was built and dedicated to the musicians lost in the disaster.
I've often sat there and ate lunch, but never noticed it was for the Titanic until recently.
Ballarat has more to offer than the Eureka monument. :)
There is also one dedicated to them in Broken Hill NSW. My father knowing of my love of ships (we lived in Port Adelaide) gave me a copy of 'A Night to Remember' when published in 1955. Nearly 70 years later it is still a prized possession in my now very large Titanic collection. Gordon Carter. Adelaide. South Australia.
Is it the one near 409 Sturt Street in Ballarat Central, Victoria, Australia ? (just tried a little google map exploration...)
I only heard of Ballarat from the Doctor Blake Mysteries TV show.
@@brunobailly7013 Close, but no. It's a little down the road, at Camp St & Sturt St.
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It is!
Yes we all know whom are wonderful host is so why do everyone feel the need to say so.
You also misspelled Liner. You spelled Linger.
My mother grew up in the small town of Turtleford in Saskatchewan, Canada. She told me that when "A Night to Remember" played at the town's theatre, there were relatives of Titanic victims in the audience who were brought to tears by the film. Some were too upset to watch the entire film and had to leave the theatre.
This is a superb episode. The survivors' reactions were poignant. But props to Bealey for having the spunk to want to be part of the film.
I think you mean Beesley?
Careful. British readers will interpret spunk as a load of sperm.
@@fmyoungwhy do people always have to be so grammar nazzzi for real
@@mikehawlkridge903 Oh I don't think there was a "Bealey" on the Titanic
@@fmyoung my point proven
I watched "A Night to Remember" in the late 1950s and recall it being a poignant, frightening, and remarkable film. It has lingered in my memory throughout my life, and I have frequently reflected on it over the years.
Lawrence Beesley, the only man saved from drowning on the Titanic, twice!
Almost beat Fred Barrett's record.
I didn't know he tried to crash the production of A Night to Remember lol
Nowhere near as dramatic as what befell Violet Jessop. She was on board Olympic when it collided with HMS Hawke. She was on Titanic and survived its sinking. To top it off four years later she survived the sinking of Britannic after it hit a German mine in the Aegean Sea. As did two members of Titanic' crew, one of whom ended up achieving that feat an incredible four times!
A Night To Remember has the scene of Andrews resigned to his fate in the tilting lounge (a scene Cameron copied) and is asked if he won't even try. He gives a silent look while the the ship groans and creaks. It is the actual sound of the set while it was being cranked up - so chilling and fitting they decided there was no need to use foley.
Then his last shot is considering the "Journey to the New World" painting.
@@Zergboyzzz "Approach to the New World" was actually the painting in the Olympic, in her 1st-class smoking room. The one in the Titanic was "Plymouth Harbor." Both are by the British marine artist Norman Wilkinson who in 1917 invented dazzle painting
@@fmyoung thanks for the info! I was just going off the scene in the movie, but that's good to know
The actors that appeared in 1958s A Night To Remember - Kenneth More as Lightoller, Lawrence Naismith as Capt. Smith, and Michael Goodliffe as Andrews - also appeared together in the 1960 film Sink The Bismarck!
Also Jack Watling as Boxhall
I quite like Sink the Bismarck, but historically it's very inaccurate. The portrayal of Admiral Lutjens and Captain Lindemann is all wrong, In fact Lutjens was cautious and did not fancy the chances of Bismarck. Lindemann was more gung ho. Also the film portrays Bismarck shooting down Swordfish torpedo planes and sinking a royal navy destroyer. Neither of those events happened.
@@philiphumphrey1548 True what you said about "Sink The Bismarck!" but the thing to be remembered is the movie was made 15 years after the end of WW2 and memories, especially British memories, were still raw so it's no surprise Lutjens is portrayed as a hard-core Nazi and the rest of Bismarck's crew as "Jawhol mein Fuehrer!" types. However the special effects and models in the 1960 film are superb!
In addition to shooting down a Swordfish (which the Bismarck never did) before the climactic battle the film also shows Bismarck sinking a British destroyer, the fictional "HMS Solon." I'm guessing the movie makers threw that in just to show that even wounded the Bismarck was still a formidable opponent.
Even with it's flaws "Sink The Bismarck!" is a great movie well worth watching!
@@wayneantoniazzi2706 I think that's the fictional HMS Solent. Strange they chose that name as there was an actual HMS Solent in WWII... an S Class submarine.
@@Snowdog2711 I'm sure you're right. It sounded like "Solon" to me.
I'm surprised any of them watched the films. I wouldn't want to relive one of the most horrific experiences of my life.
I think it really speaks to how we all have our own ways of dealing with trauma.
My great grandfather Albert Horswill was a crewman and survivor, my dad said he never talked about Titanic, he never saw any of these films either.
You might think differently if the film was shown decades after the event. Time heals, or at least softens, most trauma.
I mean, D-Day vets went to Saving Private Ryan...
@@HowlingWolf518I remember one guy saying it wasn't so much the imagery they got right, as the sound. Not "boom boom boom" but more of a "zip zip" as the bullets passed by.
As an old USN Sailor, my heart breaks every time I contemplate Titanic's fate. Yet, had she not been so tragically lost on that long-ago night, she would probably have had a long and successful career and would have ultimately ended up being scrapped and all but forgotten as her lone surviving sister ship, RMS Olympic, was. In the end, Titanic has gained an immortality that is denied to the vast majority of ships that have plied the seas around the world, historic or otherwise.
Just as likely that a mine or U-boat would have gotten her within a scant few years when she was inevitably converted into a troop or hospital ship, but in the end, you're right. Few people remember Olympic, which had a storied and long career, or Brittanic, which died her own fairly ugly death. They remember the middle child though, the big T, because she had a body count, and a lot of them were very rich, famous bodies.
It was a high price to pay.
Possibly becoming a troop carrier during WWII. My dad said that he sailed to WWII on the same ship that carried his parents to America from Poland in the 19-teens.
The person who wanted to experience the sinking Titanic again is absolutely insane, literally. But also, that's how i strive to live life. Imagine having negative fear or an anxiety deficit like that. You'd be unstoppable! My hero right there.
If I was making the movie, I'd want to find a spot in the movie to put him in.
It brought to mind the wonderful story of when they made the movie The Four Feathers in 1939. In that version the story is set during The Battle of Khartoum, and was actually filmed on location in Sudan. During the battle scene they'd hired a huge number of local extras. Despite being directed to fall down and die, one of the extras refused. He'd been at the actual battle, and said as he surved that time, he was going to survive again.
Maybe he was so traumatized that wishing to relive such an event was just a huge coping mechanism. Maybe he couldn't save somebody close to him, or let's imagine, he accidentaly pushed someone while trying to save herself and that someone ended up not surviving. Reliving the experience, but being able to now act as he maybe whished he did that night, might have been oddly therapeautic for him. I'm not a psychologist but my aunt is, and she used to tell me about this one patient who would always tell her that he wished he could relive his car crash wich killed his brother (he was driving) because he felt he acted immature when it happened and was feeling very gulity about it (as I understood he was very shook and didin't call the ambulance quickly enough)
@@jhonny1268 From what I know about PTSD that does sound quite likely.
I think he did it to cope.
I was a senior in high school when I was taken to see A Night to Remember -- and was so moved by it, that I spent my graduation prize money on a copy of Walter Lord's book. I have been a Titanic enthusiast ever since, and include in my Americana collection, several of the books published in the tragedy's aftermath, including Laurence Beasley's and Washington Dodge's memoirs. Also, hearing Beasley's grandson read his grandfather's narrative was a profoundly moving experience.
Thanks, Mike, for your excellent presentation of survivors' reactions to the Titanic films, and for all your excellent videos. As an American cultural historian, I appreciate both their accuracy and interestingly presented narrative.
I recently watched "A Night to Remember." It is the best Titanic film I've seen.
I've watched it three times in the last month because our live streaming channels have it for free. Now that I've watched it so many times, I'll bet that today I won't be able to watch it for free for at least six months.
@@paulaharrisbaca4851it is on youtube for free
every film about the Titanic has its own particular beauty, especially the older ones
did u know a color version is on YT
I think it's the best Titanic film ever made ✝️💔
Great and entertaining video! It's so entertaining to think about how Lawrence Beesley really thought that he should dress up in 1912 clothes and sneak onto the set and actually went with it. It seems such a mischievous, boyish thing to do for an 80 year old man! It's such a hilarious thing to think about, I love it!
I love Melvina Dean. Here is a woman who had spunk and energy coursing through her veins and the memory of Titanic was for her a symbol of her deepest personal losses, having survived as an infant. I also adore the porcelain pig tale.
Wouldn’t it be something to make a film solely about the survivors?! I have been fascinated with this for years. Hearing about how survivors reacted to “A Night to Remember,” makes me think there is something profound and unique about turning survivor stories into art.
When I was a child I saw _A Night to Remember_ several times on TV. After a few years I realised it was always shown on Christmas Eve, which I thought a little odd. However, it is a great film, and I always looked forward to it.
I read this great story about a Titanic survivor. It's been a number of years so I can't remember every particular but it goes like this:
When the Barbara Stanwyck / Clifton Webb "Titanic" came out in 1953 a man who's mother was a Third Class survivor asked her if she wanted to see the film. She said yes and after the film was over he asked her what she thought about it. Her response was "If somebody was close enough to take pictures why didn't they help us?"
Isn't that something?
Great presentation Mike, and I love the story about Lawrence Beesley! And imagine, his clothing from 46 years earlier still fit him! Amazing!
Sadly that blinkered, insular attitude is alive an kicking in the modern US. Forgivable in the 50s. Not now.
@@Yandarval What the hell are you talking about? The points of that story I told were:
A) That movie was so well done in that poor woman's eyes she believed she was looking at the real thing.
B) For a brief moment she was a poor immigrant girl again reliving a nightmare.
American insular attitude indeed! When she lived through the disaster she wasn't even an American citizen yet!
Put that smug, superior attitude of yours back in your pocket where it belongs, it does not become you.
Do you know the man’s mother??? Id love to hear more about her story
@@shhhh336lol Unfortunately no. Suffice to say she survived the sinking, made it here to the US, and made a good life for herself and her family.
@@YandarvalGot a proper fanatic 'ere, 'ent we, lads?
Hi Mike Brady👋 I can still remember when they were making the 1997 film "Titanic", I can remember traveling down from Southern California to Ensenada, Mexico on Friday evenings frequently back then, riding down with my Mother and Step Father to their vacation home that they had down there.
One evening we were driving down, passing through Rosarito, Mexico on our way down, where to my surprise was a huge almost full size looking model set of the Titanic ship looking like it was docked there along the shoreline, it was amazing to see, I couldn't believe what I was seeing at first, because at that point I had not heard about them making the movie.
I can remember one Friday night, my Step Father who was a pretty brave person, with him knowing how interested I had always been into Titanic, he decided to turn off of the main road and down the dirt road that was leading to the Titanic filming set.
There was no one there because they were done filming for the weekend, surprisingly there wasn't a gate, if there was it wasn't closed at the time, so my Step Father drove in and drove us down to the shoreline to get a close up look at the ship. After a few minutes a very nice security guard found us and told us that we would have to leave.
It was very interesting each week seeing how the set was changing with this huge Titanic model now starting to look like it was sinking down, until eventually one Friday evening we were driving down past there and it was gone.
It was very amazing to see, and then later to be watching the movie at the theater when it came out🙂
As always this is a very interesting video, It's pretty amazing to be able to watch the videos on UA-cam of the Titanic survivors being interviewed, my favorite Titanic survivor to hear her thoughts and recounting what happened is Eva Hart, she seemed like a very interesting person.
After watching this video, I'm now going to have to watch the movie "A night to remember" which is thankfully free to watch on UA-cam.
Thank You for making this video, Mike Brady🙂👍
A Night to Remember is still the gold standard for Titanic films.
So is James Cameron’s Titanic Explorer, it removes all the scenes with the fictional characters.
ever seen the Titanic film made by Goebbels?
@@bertjesklotepino I started watching it on UA-cam (it's there to be found) but haven't finished it. One VERY strong impression I got from it though was not only is it an anti-British movie it's anti-capitalist as well!
So?
What are you saying?
Perhaps you should watch it entirely and try to figure out something about the message.
What i mean is this:
There have been talks about a "conspiracy" for ages, right?
Olympic on the bottom, etc etc.
Astor was on board, and many other rich people, correct?
Some say Astor was not a fan of a certain idea. Founding of a certain bank.
It is quite funny that there are a lot of links. Kinda like a drawing with the numbered dots where you connect em all.
Now, i am not saying any of this is true.
But we do have to take into account other publications of other stuff during the run up towards WW2, don't we?
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What i am saying is: Maybe certain people vilified currently might have had a point.....
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Cameron's team tried very hard to get Millvina to watch the movie, even offering a private screening just for her. In Millvina's words however, "it's still the same film" and no matter what incentive was offered, she adamantly refused to see it.
I got goosebumps the moment Mike mentioned that 3 survivors of sinking attended the premiere of a Night To Remember. I actually recently just watched ANTR For the first time this year with my dad I think all titanic history fans should watch it. Another amazing topic and video Mike.
'It was a night to forget.'
You know, having had quite a number of catastrophic traumatic moments and events...I thank god or whoever is up there that I've never experienced a sinking too, but I do know what that lady meant. The brain has this incredible way of protecting us, when we've experienced trauma.
We return to the path that we know leads to that day, over and over again - and then for a while, nothing, and when we remember again, we go back to that spot, only to find the grass and brambles overgrown, the path impassable. The memory is only absent from the conscious mind; better to leave it to its rest in the unconscious, not to disturb it - lest it rise and torture us again.
I stumbled upon A Night to Remember on UA-cam the other day, and I found myself really captivated by nighttime shots of the boat deck. Whether that atmospheric black and white was intentional or just the limitations of film cameras in 1958, you really get a sense of the total blackness of that night. In some ways it's even more effective than the 1997 film.
Millvina Dean was also highly critical of the Doctor Who episode Voyage of The Damned.
This was in 2007 and I remember being amazed that a survivor could still be alive after such a long time.
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Of all the Titanic movies I have seen, "A Night to Remember" is the best.
It doesn’t have Kate Winslet though 🥰
A night to remember is really good but how the ship sank isn't accurate since in the movie the ship didn't break up but in reality the ship broke up
@@MegaWunna in 1958 the wreckage hadn’t been discovered yet. They didn’t know that it broke up as a fact yet.
@@treystephens6166 That don't matter
@@fmyoung Kate Winslet is a 10,000/10 ❤️
When James Cameron's rendition came out, I asked my grandmother if she wanted to see it. She didn't want to. She told me childhood friends that perished, from upper crust Toronto Ontario Canada, in second class.
I asked a coworker friend before, "if when we are 70, they make a romance drama movie about 9/11, would you go watch it?" He said "No! When I'm 70 I'm staying home and taking a nap!"
I wouldn’t be suprised if they’ve already made such a movie.
@@Destinyisforlosers24 they have
@@Destinyisforlosers24 nicholas cage is a lead role
Reminds me of the meme where kids are playing on an inflatable sinking Titanic slide with the caption “this is what a national tragedy looks like after 100 years”
The ending of “Remember Me” is this comment! If you haven’t watched it, look up the ending scene.
i hope when all survivors passed away that they found peace, because no-one should die feeling fear sadness and terror.
Melvina Dean, I understand why, "Making a movie about Titanic is disrespectful." However, without Cameron's film, it would merely be the most famous shipwreck of all time. The movie ensures that so long as people inhabit Earth, Titanic will always be one of the greatest stories of humanity.
Millvina Dean died on the same day as the Titanic's launch, May 31st
The goodbye scene with Barbara Stanwyck was her at her best.
I conduct tours of Broadway Theaters and Reneé and Henry Harris ran the Hudson Theatre which is now back to being a legitimate Broadway theatre. She TRULY loved Henry.
Captain Smith's daughter visiting the set and meeting the actor playing her father makes me think of a similar movie situation that was wrought with emotion. The following might be apocryphal, someone can correct me below if so.
During the making of "La Bamba," the story of Ritchie Valens very short life and tragic ending, they were filming the scene where Ritchie in real life flipped a coin to see who would get the ride on the plane and who would ride on the bus sans heating. At some point Ritchie's real-life mother (accompanied by her daughter, Ritchie's sister - both had something of an open invitation to the set during the filming) ran onto the live set during a take, completely in tears and begging "her son' (Lou Diamond Phillips) not to get on the plane. Whoa.
On a much smaller scale of tragedy, but no less touching, during the filming of "Steel Magnolias" the real mother of the main character got to watch the filming of her daughter's death scene. She said she had to, "she had to see her "daughter" (in the person of Julia Roberts) get up off that hospital bed". Also the nurse who took her off the life support actually played the same role in the movie. And the man who wrote the screenplay was the real character's brother, and he played a pastor in the film who married the main couple.
When I was 10 I saw Night to Remember on the midnight movie, 1968. I had never heard the name Titanic but I was fascinated! Even as a kid I assumed liberties were taken but after the book, it is a great movie.
Sounds like "A Night to Remember" is a film I'm going to have to check out.
Do it! Aside from the now somewhat primitive special effects it's the best telling of the tale, bar none.
Absolutely recommend doing so
Cameron's huge money Hollywood look-at-me effort doesn't come close to A Night To Remember.
@@throttlegalsmagazineaustra7361 If Cameron concentrated on telling the actual story instead of the "Jack n' Rose" thing he'd have had the best Titanic film. On the other hand he made a TON of money, so what do I know?
Oh, you must. My obsession with the Titanic started as a child, long before the 1997 movie came out and it was brilliant.
An excellent documentary on the sinking. As a 5 yo I watched "A Night To Remember" on a domestic TV when they were. new thing in Australia. When I realised all the people in the water were doomed to die I cried. Possibly the first movie I ever saw. They don't make them with that quality today. Thanks Mike.
I went to the titanic museum once and they had a gigantic piece of ice that had hand prints in from previous visitors and it was awful, my hand felt hot, I can't even begin to imagine what those people went through.
I have a first edition of A Night to Remember signed by both Walter Lord and Rene Harris that I got in a book donation sale for 10 cents (clearly, no one realized what it was!), so I was particularly intrigued to see Rene Harris’ thoughts on the film be included here. She was a remarkable woman who made Broadway history as the first female producer, and it’s a shame that she died poor and in obscurity. Thank you for including her! I’v never seen that article that you showed an image of that she had written, I’m definitely going to try and hunt that down!
10 cents for a signed first edition, huh? Good deal.
@@renerpho Genuinely the best deal I’ve ever gotten in my life, I think! I was in shock when I realized.
I’ve nearly finished listening to the book A Night to Remember. Absolutely astounding
My great-aunt was, according to family lore, a lifeboat extra in Titanic (1953) as she worked in the Universal Studios mail room at the time, at the tender age of 24.
Amazing ! Thank You.
In 1950 my Mom in her senior year of high school did a book report on the Titanic. She went to the library and gathered as many books and information and stories that she could...which there weren't many like today of course. One was a readers digest that she even got information from back then. Amazing what she wrote in it and some of the things that were accurate and some survivor stories. She got an A from the Nun (Mom was Catholic) on that report.
I actually have that book report to this day. It's kind of special to me. 😊
R.I.P. Mom 🥰 and to all the people of that tragedy.
It's our friend Mike Brady from Oceanliner Designs. I love how you always dress the part, gives a very timeless feel to these videos
Yes
I can't believe his parents named him that. Maybe they didn't though.
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Just found this channel and I’m obsessed with the titanic for some reason
I think many of us are obsessed with the Titanic's story
I really enjoyed the Movie Saving the Titanic. Came out in 2012 and was about the men in the engine and boiler rooms. Very well done. Would love a deep dive into that movie too.
This and the "birth of Titanic" are quite amazing. Love both.
@@danijelujcic8644 never seen that one. I’ll definitely check it out . Thanks
I'd like to hear what the Titanic survivors' reactions to the wreckage being found in 1985 were.
Yes. Great idea.
I found the news coverage on the discovery a while ago now at ua-cam.com/video/1t2ijpH4hsg/v-deo.html
Some Titanic for my Sunday. Thank you Mike!
What a great topic. Something I’ve wondered about, but never thought to explore. Great job, Mike.
A Night to Remember is still good to this day
I like it way better than the James Cameron movie.
@@ihaveinsomnia1 have you ever noticed how many scenes he straight up duplicated?
Unlike the ship itself A Night to Remember will probably always be unsinkable
@@BobZombie8806 I did notice. I watched A Night to Remember not to long ago. It was free on UA-cam.
This has become my comfort channel. From the way he explains in vivid detail the fates of all of these ships to his calm and relaxing voice, I think I’ve found a new channel to add to my top five favourites.
Yeah, same. This channel, Octavia Cox and Tom Ayling are my happy places
Awesome video Mike 😊
Lets take a moment to appreciate, the inestimable Mr Mike Brady, and the fact he is always so impeccably turned out 🤵♂️
Top work Fella 👏 👌
Captain Brady 🫡
Fun bit of trivia - MGM reused props from their Titanic production for Gentlemen Prefer Blondes (replacing the Titanic's four funnels with three Queen Mary funnels and ventilators and renaming the model Isle de Paris)...
I recently saw a night to remember and it’s SO good…it’s a faithful account of the sinking without the extra dramatizations-not even a soundtrack. The truth was terrifying enough without all that
The lead in a night to remember had Kenneth Moore, a fantastic actor and was so funny in Genevieve
He was also funby in this re the garters and also the soap.
He was also good as the Ghost of Christmas Present in Scrooge (1970)
You can see his Genevieve co-star Dinah Sheridan in the video arriving at the Night to Remember premiere.
After enduring that night of April 14-15th, 1912 and actually surviving it, I couldn't possibly imagine that it would've been easy to have to live through it again through film, not to mention what every writer got wrong or depicted in said film. I would imagine that most of the living survivors were either upset or extremely emotional having been reminded of that horrible night.
A Night to Remember, really is the Gold Standard portrayal of the disaster.
These videos are hypnotic. They're so well thought out and put together and Mike's gentle, melifluous tones accompanied by his meticulous attention to detail exude an almost addictive quality. I never knew I had such a keen interest in ocean going vessels until I started watching this channel and now I start to experience a kind of withdrawal between uploads.
Personally, I think these are some of the best produced videos on UA-cam and Mike, with his good looks, flawless presentation and wealth of knowledge on the subject, makes the perfect host.
Thanks for asking these questions none of us have the time to sort through!
I inherited my Aunt Velma's book collection, in 1969. Among the titles was Walter Lord's "A Night to Remember." I read that book so many times, it began falling apart to the point I had to tape it back together. It piqued my fascination of the ship and sinking so much, I began to read everything I could find that pertained to the ship and its passengers. I have seen four movies about Titanic's sinking, including the one by James Cameron which was wonderful for its sets and period clothing. Only ONE movie can still touch my heart so much it brings me to tears and that movie was "A Night to Remember."
BTW, I still have the book it is such a treasure. Thank you for this video.
Another great documentary and a new angle on the Titanic story. I like how respectful you are to the survivors and their reality. Thank you Mike.
My 1st Titanic film was James Cameron's Titanic. Fun fact: As I grew up in Ensenada, Baja California and my family frequently went to San Diego and since I was born in 1991, I was fortunate enough to see the Titanic set went it still existed. I even went on a tour of the Fox Baja studios when they had an interactive tour of the Titanic set.
Cameron’s movie is crap!
Totally titanic is not a love story. There was no Rose or Jack and even if there was they wouldn’t have met. Scene making love in the car was unnecessary and stupid. Move should have centred more on the lives of the real passengers and crew. A Night To Remember is a million times better than
@@tanialangford6662 1997s titanic is arguably the best romance movie ever aside from being HIGHLY accurate when compared to other historical romances and a a breakthrough in cinema technology, no need to shit on a movie to hype the other. Also, why would you want another A Night to Remember when it has already been done.
@@tanialangford6662 the Jackson movie is trash. Mills & Boon at sea! Passengers to this day are never allowed on the bow. Pure rubbish! A Night to Remember is the only true depiction of the disaster.
@@jamescrawford9883 totally agree.
I listened to an audio commentary of Titanic survivors being interviewed, the soundtrack lasted about an hour and a half. As i listened to the memories retold by a few passengers and ships officers, I was struck by how remarkably accurate most of the scenes were in "A Night To Remember". Next to the epic film "ZULU" with Michael Caine, this was one of the finest British productions I ever watched.
I'm 30, and for me A Night To Remember really did have an impact on me, largely because it was the first film I had seen from that era, the oldest movie I'd watched up to that point was Zulu.
But something amazes me about that time in film, the way dialogue is written and performed, the shots are held for way longer with characters just talking. It immersed me into the movie far more than I expected when I watched it
Mike, this is one of my favorite videos you have done to date. Such beautiful connections made between the generations, from those who lived through the actual tragic sinking to those of us today who are held by history's grip to ensure such stories and memories are not forgotten. The incredible pain is quite evident for the survivors, and yet there remains humor to help some of them (and us) cope at the same time. Thank you immensely for this unique take on Titanic history.
P.S. The photos including Violet Jessop were also a treat for me as someone who read the books of her memoirs for a book report in late elementary school, only a few years after I had first discovered the story of the Titanic and Cameron's movie had come out.
Great video and very informative as always. Interestingly, Edith Russell's toy pig is now held by the National Maritime Museum in Greenwich, London.
What a fascinating and surreal story!
Firsthand accounts always give you a whole different perspective and sense of the event and its incredible that we have access to such accounts.
1:09 The soundtrack composer of "A Night to Remember", William Alwyn, was alive only for a few more days after Robert Ballard's expedition found the wreck. He died ten days later, on September 11 1985 .
1953 Titanic actually has another boat related tragedy (tenuously) attached to it. One of the cast members was Robert Wagner, whose wife Natalie Wood died in mysterious circumstances on board their yacht.
Eric Braeden (JJ Astor in the 1997 movie) had survived the sinking of none other than Wilhelm Gustloff.
On a lighter note, in the 1979 TV movie, Lawrence Beesley was played by David Warner (Lovejoy).
Great video!
I’m somewhat surprised that none of the survivors who saw the 1953 film or A Night to Remember ever commented on the lack of a breakup.
Except that even back then, some said different things
The breakup story wouldn't be 100% confirmed until the wreck was found in 1985.
I just noticed from watching this video that in the 1953 film, as the ship is taking its final plunge there's an explosion. Huh. I wonder if these film makers had any idea it had broken up.
I'm sure that, to see the break up, you would have had to be in a specific place at a specific time which is hard to do in a life boat in the middle on the night when the priority is to get as far from the ship as you can get.
@@cdpetee I doubt it, most likely they added the explosion for dramatic effect.
Your ability to continually produce new content on this subject stagers me. I can’t help but watch, and you never disappoint.
Kudos Michael Brady. You’re definitely a class act!
Mike, that was one excellent rendition of the historical aspects of the actual sinking of the Titanic and the iterations of movies that were produced. The reactions shared by those who actually were on the ship the night it sank were especially moving. Thanks for all your good work, Mr. Mike Brady! I really appreciate it all.
Woah! I was watching the video nicely engrossed and I saw that picture of Violet Jessop from what it looked like the 1950s. Whenever I think of Jessop, she’s always a young woman because most of the Internet photos are of her earlier life. It is interesting to see one of her later on.
I always consider Night To Remember one of the best movies about the Titanic , even surpasses the James Cameron movie as well in my opinion. because it focuses more on the experience vs a romance ?
Just wanted to say, Mike, thank you very much for your channel, and the exhaustive research and work you put into it. I've been having a rough time of late, my father passed away...and your maritime stories have been something of an escape for me. They take me away to other places and times, and allow me to forget my own circumstances for a while. You produce very high quality and fascinating content. Thank you again for all the work you put into bringing us these compelling insights into maritime history.
Eva is probably my favorite of the survivors. Such a fascinating strong woman and a great storyteller ❤
Eva Hart was the one who said a great many times after the sinking that the Titanic "will go down in history as the one disaster where there was no need for anyone to die." So true. Also, about the Californian she said she didn't see only lights she also saw masts
Wonderful documentary. So terrific to know that the remaining survivors confirmed that "A Night to Remember" truly depicted the authenticity of the disaster. I read the book when I was in High School and saw the movie when it came out. The later movie was good, but too much a Hollywood love story instead of the real thing. Obviously, I prefer the earlier film. Thanks for bringing back some of MY memories. I had crossed the ocean twice (on a Norwegian liner) a few years before my High School days.
Maybe you could do an episode about Masabumi Hosono, the only Japanese passenger who survived the Titanic. He was shamed by the media for “dishonouring” the nation. He was Haruomi Hosono’s grandfather, a member of the Yellow Magic Orchestra, together with Ryuichi Sakamoto
Producer William MacQuitty had been one of the spectators at the launching of the Titanic on May 31, 1911. He was six years old at the time, and found the experience most impressive.
This was such a great topic to do! It was done so thoughtfully and thoroughly too, hats off! I've always been fascinated reading the transcripts of those who gave testimony at the court hearings. It never occurred to me to wonder about their reaction of the survivors to the movies. What a great idea for a video!
I truly enjoy your videos. They are extremely well presented. I never thought I would be watching and learning this much about Titanic and other ships. My hat is off to you Sir.
Fascinating - Gotta watch the 1958 movie
I don't think you'll be disappointed
Exploring a survivor’s perspective is something that never crossed my mind.
I've watched many of your videos about the Titanic, but this is the most emotional of them all.
I have puzzled over that footage with the scratched-out names on the tugboats for many years. Thank you for finally giving me the reason for it...I never would have guessed it.
Great channel, top notch narration, lots of information. Mike thanks for keeping maritime history alive.