Stockton constantly mentioned how few people have been injured or killed in submersibles over the last few decades. Crazy he never put it together that the rules he skirted and broke were the reasons they were so safe.
Same goes for people who have been in the profession for a long time... They crash ships and planes because they think they're good enough to take risks after decades of work, but they forget the reason they've lasted this long is by NOT taking those risks.
This is THE story to teach future generations about why safety rules and regulations are important, and about the consequences of greed, hubris and cost-cutting. Stockton Rush deserves to be remembered as a callous, apathetic, greedy and arrogant narcissist.
He also needs to be remembered as a murderer. His callous & selfishness led to the death of 4 innocent people. And he was warned by several experts that his approach was dangerous & could only have disastrous outcomes, and he ignored all of them. His own engineer told him that his sub wasn't safe and he was promptly fired.
You know who is a much bigger callous, apathetic, greedy and arrogant narcissist in tech? Elon Musk. Judging by his still massive following of unquestioning tech-illiterate fans and investors, as yet, current generations still haven't learnt the lesson.
I think that older woman makes a good point: The Titanic is a bunch of people's grave sites and probably better left alone vs treated like a tourist trap
the reason why they didn't do a testing programme is because they knew it wouldn't pass THOSE tests. when the test is "can the vessel survive prolonged exposure to pressure" it's pretty important test.
Yes, but the guy is also asking for 6times the max load for a prolonged period of time. That sounds to me also like he is asking for an excessive high safety factor.
That's the most fked up part. If he gave a damn he would have went by himself & not knowingly endangered anyone else. But using a submersible that already went down under so much pressure should not have been taken down again. He knew exactly what could happen. I also think he went because he knew the risk & he knew if he didn't go & this happened, he'd be ruined, destroyed & he wouldn't be able to handle that.
The fact that he did it with a method absolutely certain to fail is what I don’t get. His ego was so far gone he was just delusional. The facts cannot be changed. Carbon fibre shatters under oceanic pressures.
This was madness his sub was not safe when he says he wants to be remembered did nhe plan to end his life and the 4 others they were not told of all the red flags and decent people got sacked pushed houndogs out for money and murder I hope this company gets suid and all that money could go to a better cause when there is so much poverty I the word
It's mindboggling to me that he sealed them inside, like what would've happened if they needed to make an emergency exit (if things happened otherwise)...the thing looks uncomfortable and like they were sardines in a tin can.. he deserves to be remembered as a POS, narcissistic clown..reset the industry back because now ppl will be afraid to try it out..
@lindamcmillan7618 plus they sealed themselves inside, like what kinda madness is that? There was a tiny porthole to view out of and they had to take turns, game controller to operate the sub and more..the hubris on this guy is almost palpable. 4 innocent lives, one being a kid is gone cause this narssasit thought he was smarter than the industry
‘Carbon fiber likes to be pulled, it does not like to be pushed’. Wow. I’m a moron with no engineering experience but that line was logical, simple to understand and impactful. Edit grammar
And if I recall from physics classes- ‘pressure always Pushes’ (really things don’t actually ‘suck’ what really happens is the pressure is changed and therefore air PUSHES in to balance the pressure. Like when you breathe, your diaphragm changes the pressure in your lungs and air is pushed in, we don’t actually ‘suck’ air the way we think. With that in mind, and thinking about that quote and pressure at the bottom of the ocean…. Wow, wow
Sad indeed however there's also another matter here to consider. The son doesn't go then lives the rest of his life regretting he was not with his father hence survivors guilt. It's very likely the young man considered these things and so chose to be with his father to the end if it happened.
@@warrenchambers4819 "The son doesn't go then lives the rest of his life regretting he was not with his father hence survivors guilt." Not really, you wouldn't have blamed the kid if he refused to jump off the cliffs of Yosemite with his father, would you? "Bye dad, see you down there..."
@@newhorizon4066 Yeah I agree, I don't think the son was thinking he and the other 4 could have been crushed. From the interview his mother gave, he came with his dad since it was Father's day and wanted to do some fun rubics cube challenge. This was not jumping off cliff knowing they would die, this was him entering a submarine that was sold as "being most safe and once in a lifetime experience.
@@RoyJNg "I don't think the son was thinking he and the other 4 could have been crushed." Wrong assumption, you can't think what "the son was thinking." You only fool yourself.
“When you act with impunity, I don’t care if it’s in submarines or politics, it’s not a good thing. You can get away with it for awhile, but in the long range it does not hold.” What a haunting quote. Moral of the story: Arrogance destroys.
Hate to say it, but this was the one explorer type disaster where I didn't feel sorry for the main guy. Felt sorry for the son whose Dad pressured him to go on the trip, but that is about it.
I am same, but....I have a slight intelligence vs I've got money let's do it mentality for the passengers... the son I honestly feel his death was tragic, didn't have to happen but for his father
Boeing has always been highly technologically advanced. So this is by means a ",red flag". It's only in the last 4-5 years they have fallen from grace. I would suggest by piss poor management. FYI Boeing and Nasa had 0 to do with Ocean gate. Read a book
I’ve got such a huge amount of respect for all the men and women from so many different countries who dropped everything and went to go help try to rescue the Titan. Even if they were sure it was hopeless, they still went out there and tried. I love that about people.
It makes me proud to be a human but at the same time... ashamed. The amount of money spent on the search could have improved or saved many other lives (like children education, helping the suicidal, social housing etc.)
@@retsaMinnavoiGYes, during the exact time of the search and rescue mission for the Titan, hundreds of Refugees (including many children) downed in the Mediterranen Sea, because their boat was in distress.
The US military knew about it when it happened. They knew from the start they imploded and instigated a massive search for no reason. The military knew the pings they were hearing wasn’t them knocking.
"Everyone has their own opinions, on how subs should be design. How dives should be conducted". NO THEY DON'T - your entire industry was warning and attempting to stop you Mr Sohnlein.
@@stargazer7644he didn't change his mind even AFTER the accident. Keeps defending Rush. Now wants to take people to Venus. He's the perfect example of stupidity and of exactly the kind of "everyone is entitled to their opinion above facts"-mentality.
I love the fact how AFTER this tragedy happened, everybody came out of the woodworks to comment on these type of UA-cam videos to let everyone know they are submariner experts… and how this was super dangerous and the reasons why 😂 all quoting statement they’ve heard on the news. Yeah good job repeating what’s been said a bunch of times.
@@johnyrocket-sx3pd OceanGate was warned in 2018 that their design needs to be certified and the risks with a carbon fiber hull by industry experts. The CEO ignored it saying that he wants to break rules. It's one thing to test this with your own life, it's totally irresponsible and hubris to charge people who had little understanding of the true design flaws in the concepts.
@@LittleHatori never have I ever seen a (forgot the name of the news person who does those stories lmao) just make a snarky comment like that before 😂🤣 ballsy and not untrue lmaoooo 💀💀
Having worked in the subsea robotics industry as an operator and engineer for 24 years, the arrogance and flagrant disregard for recognised safety practices is just breathtaking.
It's disturbing in itself that the ONLY person who did not feel good about going and was skeptical, was the child. No one cared to listen and he was hushed and pushed to ignore his gut and go anyway, and lost his life because of it. I bet they wished they had listened now. Everyones voice should matter...no matter how small
19 is not a child, it's an adult in most world countries. People getting comical nowadays with what child is, seems border is moving, soon some will blabber about 25 years old as child 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️😂 @@JohnnyApplesauce1
7 News knocking it out of the park with these documentaries. Really impressive how a news org in a different hemisphere is able to produce and share for the world here documentaries that the likes of the BBC used to make. Well done!
I am by no means an expert in deep sea exploration nor do I pretend to know what types materials a submersible should be made out of to go to that depth in the ocean. But even I know looking at a guy with a video game controller and 2 monitors from walmart in essentially a tube with a black mat looked shady as fook.
Unfair to blame the controllers. Especially Playstation/Xbox controllers are some of the most tortured devices on the planet. They are cheap, robust, versatile. People are familiar with them already. That's why they are used in many applications, in army, navy, airforce, for drones, of all kinds. Super useful in robotics as well.
@@petemiller2598 Presumably a proper dualshock would've been harder to make work. Lots of propriatery stuff in those things. Logitech controllers meanwhilst work out the box with any computer you plug them into really.
If anyone had inside info he did. He let some things slip in his first couple of interviews that made it clear they were gone. Clearly he tried to protect his sources, but the anger and contempt he felt for Rush and his murderous actions came through. I can’t fault the Navy or Coastguard. The Navy had secrets to protect and the Coastguard had a job to do. The share no blame.
This whole situation seems like the ultimate example of a rich man's delusion that nothing bad could ever happen to him, and he ended up taking 4 other people down with him
@@KarmelaKarmelina yes, they did. Did they really understand the risks they were taking? That is kind of cold of you to say that. Have never been guilty of poor decision making?
The only reason it took them that long to call the coast guard is, bc they already knew what happened, were scared of getting in trouble, and nobody wanted to be the one to make that call...
Same thing that happened in Chernobyl nuclear plant,,,,why all the hesitation and it has already happened,the more time it takes after the incident the bigger the story it becomes.
I can't imagine the grief losing your husband and son at the same time under such spectacular circumstances. What a Neverending nightmare. My heart goes out to the poor mother ❤
And the whole family of each and every participant, absolutely. Heck, it made me sad, just watching the investigations and testimony, as I know it did many others....
Where’s Wendy Rush in all this.. conspicuous by her silence and disappearance.. she was a joint partner with her husband on that project.. for goodness sake! Someone should be held to account!! What on earth is going on??
It's wild how history seems to repeat itself like this. The Titanic and the Titan, two completely different eras, yet united by the same tragic fate. Pushing the boundaries, exploring the unknown, it's all part of the human spirit. But there's a fine line between ambition and recklessness. This is a stark reminder that safety should always be the top priority, no matter how exciting the adventure. It's a tough pill to swallow, but lessons like these are crucial.
It was reported that the son actually tried to get out of the dive because he was scared. The guy who was operating the sub told him it was completely safe.
Sadly, it was Suleman's father that convinced him to get on board. They were there for a Father's Day outing, and his father loved the Titanic; how could he back out?
What's crazy to me is that they filled in for another father and son who backed out after the son decided Stockton wasn't legit and the sub wasn't safe.
Steel is ductile, unlike carbon fiber. That makes it a lot easier to figure out where fatigue stress is developing. It also means it doesn’t fail catastrophically. When carbon fiber fails, it shatters into a million pieces.
steel cracks when it fails. The breaking point isn't the problem, the shattering isn't either. It's how it is built and about how you can check whether it is built correct. The carbon fibre is hundreds of layers which can all delaminate and there's no solid way to test that. It's a given it will happen - stockton just figured you could hear it coming - which was based on nothing. Otherwise steel is easy to weld, but it corrodes, deteriorates. Titanium is best there, lighter too, but way more expensive, also because it needs to be the one solid piece (why most are spherical, while subs are often not). Welding isn't really an option. Having said all that, the billion dollar subs still also sink at times... space craft explode. But they do tend to calculate risks... Stockton just ignored that while using a flawed process. Carbon is used in space just fine. But due to the way fibre layers are made, pressure isn't that suitable for it. But the glass they use shatters too - they just make it thick enough. Again, very expensive.
@@710nerDeckel So you're telling me steel doesn't crack, only to tell me it does crack - suddenly. The point as stated that it's not about breaking, bending, shattering, cracking, going supernova, whatever, but about being able to make reliable calculations on said breaking point. Carbon layered structures can't properly be checked, where it is possible on steel, titanium, metal... As for your own advice, best avoid the word literal and avoid using capslock as a tool to show your frustration.
Post tragedy, the most infuriating part for me is how so many people strung along the public to actually believe there was a chance these people survived. All the insiders, including the navy and coast guard knew the sub had imploded.
I followed this case pretty closely at the time but I always felt like the oxygen “countdown” was used to make the story more sensationalized for viewers. I bet most of the professionals working on the rescue probably agreed that that thing crushed like a bug under all that pressure, probably right when contact with it was lost.
That was certainly the most likely outcome, but only those that were privy to the US Navy's classified underwater microphone's recording knew for sure. While the USCG had it at the time, that info wasn't released to the public until much later.
No one should forget that the sound of the implosion was detected. A handful of people knew the search was really a recovery operation, and withheld that information under orders.
The media suppressed it so they could have their gripping storylines for the next few days. They had millions of people obsessively watching their oxygen countdown like it was some sick game. Imagine how much money they made from the views.
Ya. They withheld info to confirm it was indeed ocean gate. Nothing to do with media. You don’t see/hear a plane crash and immediately make assumptions. Even when it is obvious, you need to be 100 percent certain before telling families.
I had no idea this was heard but I guess common sense says obviously they heard something then lost contact. Of course they heard something. It's so sad because it didn't have to go down like this.
@@stargazer7644 I'm starting to wonder if it was. Apparently another plane lost a wheel on Monday. It wouldn't be beneath Boeing to claim they never heard of him after the disaster.
@stargazer7644 Honestly I wouldn’t be surprised if it WAS true - did you hear about how one of the Boeing whistleblowers strangely happened to just commit $uicide right before he was supposed to testify in court? Rush ending up dead after working with Boeing fits in with Boeings MO perfectly
To be fair, this is a misconception about Captain Smith. Nothing he did the night of Titanic's sinking was inappropriate or out of place for the time. He was not, in fact, trying to set a best time across the sea like it's been suggested; he was operating the ship at normal speeds. Other ships sending warnings and being disregarded was not because of Smith, but because the wireless operators were sending personal messages to loved ones at Cape Race on behalf of wealthy passengers. They were so encumbered by it that they turned away the warnings. The iceberg wasn't visible until they were within 500 yards because of the stillness of the ocean that night and the lack of adequate moonlight. There was no time to evade it even at normal cruising speed. Smith's biggest problem was not leading an orderly evacuation and being indecisive; this led to many boats being launched at less than full capacity by his officers.
@@oragamiowl5031 It WOULD have work except for the hull going beyond the rated depth. For all we know the depth limit for that garage build submarine might have been like 50 feet or something before stress comes in, but who knows....
MacGyver was an idiot. He step over a functioning fully loaded firearm to make a device out of a ballpoint pen and a hair scrunchie when multiple lives were on the line.
If by "they" you mean the USCG, then yes, they had strong evidence. But the USCG doesn't give up on people until they know for sure they can't be helped. You should be happy about that.
@@stargazer7644 I meant all involved. The navy confirmed an implosion triangulated to the site of the Titanic. The Coast Guard was notified at the start or near to it. The crew on the surface ship had to have known. One hour would be twice as much time as anyone else would have waited to contact the authorities and they waited twelve. I watched the day after it all started to go public when James Cameron openly said that he had a Navy source that said an implosion was heard, and that they all knew there was no rescue. I understand perfectly that the Coast guard can not just give up until definitive physical proof was found, but that then brings up that they knew exactly where they were diving and that is precisely where the wreckage was found. I understand that it took some time to get anything on site that could reach those depths to find that wreckage and verify but in what world is that ok? There should have been at minimum an ROV capable of reaching depth on hand and a back up plan for possible rescue including a trained crew with all equipment necessary right there before ANY dives took place, especially with passengers. He had been offering trips to multiple social media influencers in the weeks and months leading up to that event, obviously trying to drum up attention and likely to promote his “tours”. Mr. Beast specifically was offered a spot on that exact dive. Setting all of that upsetting negligence and irresponsibility it had to be torture for the families to hold out hope that the searchers and the company responsible knew was very unlikely even if they wanted to consider the Navy’s information unconfirmed. They could have and probably should have been honest and said what the reality of the situation was but that they were not going to give up until they found them one way or another. It has been over a year and at least as of a few weeks ago the Oceangate company has not even made a single condolence call to the daughter of P.H. Nargeolet. There is no excuse nor justification for what happened and very little if any at all for how it was handled after the fact. Many involved were just following orders but someone gave those orders and made bad decisions. I _am_ glad that the Coast Guard did not give up and they shouldn’t have, but that isn’t the issue I have, it is the lack of honesty involved and the unnecessarily added pain caused to people that just lost family members that I had and have issues with.
@@stargazer7644 People in desperate need of help almost never get a sliver of the help that these people got, despite the odds of them being alive being near zero. It's not the ethics of the coast guard, it's that society has decided that billionaire lives are worth far, far more than ours..
Omg, I watched it yesterday and it disappeared, I thought I had lost my mind for a whole 24 hours. Glad to know that I did not, in fact, lose it. Great documentary too.
Fix up your major racist and war criminal defense issue while you’re at it?? Or is Kerry stokes still a little bit butthurt about his best mate the murderer?
A year later this story is still compelling as it ever was, and I am still totally and utterly drawn to the Oceangate saga. It will endure as a cautionary tale for generations.
I will never understand parents who force their goals, dreams, ambitions and interests on their children. They can't seem to accept that their children are not an extension of them; they have their own dreams and interests. Of course there's nothing wrong sharing all of that with your kids, but when they express fear or an outright aversion to whatever it is you're introducing, it's time to back off. Considering the number of death clauses in the contract Suleman's father signed, he knew this was incredibly dangerous, yet pressured his son into doing it anyway.
I agree!!! We should encourage our children to face their more "unreasonable" fears to gain courage but the REASONABLE fears...nah...don't push that. Anybody who doesn't want to go miles underwater is not being unreasonably fearful.
You do not know that the 19-year-old was 'pressured' by his father into doing the Titan trip! You are accepting wholesale a version of events given by his aunt alone (and widely reported by sensationalist mass media), which is totally contradicted by his mother and other family members. In fact Suleman Dawood had contacted the Guinness World Records before the dive, to register his intention to complete a unique Rubiks Cube challenge aboard the Titan sub, close to the Titanic wreck. He was obsessed with Rubiks Cubes, and excited about this quirky challenge and his imminent creation of a new world record. That does not sound like a young man who was afraid, or doing the Titanic trip against his will just to please his father! I feel Stockton Rush found the perfect passengers, by targeting multi millionaires. The super-rich not only have the disposable income available to bankroll his aquatic ego trip, they tend to possess an innate confidence that nothing terrible will happen to them. Money protects you from life's 'bumps in the road', and huge amounts of money can even convince you you're immortal. Stockton Rush, a narcissist at the extreme end of the spectrum, was an accomplished snake oil salesman. His sales pitch to flog $250k apiece Titan tickets to the rich was slick and persuasive. He would tell them a deep dive to Titanic on his submersible was statistically lower risk than crossing the road. He also quoted the impressive safety record of submersible vehicles, in their 60 year history (a record achieved not by him with his dodgy carbon fibre coke can, but by all the professionals down the decades who observed the rules and maintained far higher standards than OceanGate, across the board). So despite the multiple mentions of death in the waiver Titan passengers signed, I recognise why so many wealthy adventurers trusted OceanGate. After all, Stockton Rush put his money where his mouth is and was aboard the Titan on every Titanic dive. His presence alone would have reassured them of the sub's safety.
Famous last words, "this will be one of the great moments in submersibles." This is still such a sad story, completely preventable. Honestly, the son is the one that hit me the hardest. Just the fact that he was uncomfortable going and only did it to make his dad happy. People keep talking about furthering scientific exploration, but these were not scientists; they were Titanic enthusiasts. Yes, what they were doing could have been useful to the scientific industry if they had followed the correct policies and procedures. I guess they helped by showing what not to do. The fact that every single expert in the industry, worldwide, said what they were doing was a terrible idea and he ignored it says a lot about the person he was.
I agree; in addition, the woman who lost not only her son but her husband as well must have to live with the fact that she must have given her son permission to go on that voyage with his father. I could never have done that.
The guys on the ship knew it imploded from the moment there was radio silence. They kept that poor mother in hope and wasted resources with the "rescue attempt".
Well they couldn't just not search right? That would be unacceptable and without proof, how would they prove what had happened. What couldve been done was for the media to also say that the worse could be a possibility but they also needed to milk the story. Look at how much money has been spent on searching for MH370 and still nothing. At least in this case, the families have closure.
This reminds me of the story of Icarus: don't make wings with wax and fly too close to the sun. Now we have the story of Rush: don't tell an entire industry and experts within your organization that they're wrong about danger when you're carrying paying customers whom you have lied to about their safety. Thank you for this documentary.
I think it's possible slivers of bone or smears of blood could have survived (not to put a macabre spin in things). Beyond that, I agree nothing really survived.
@@kms08711 "Presumed human remains" is not bodies. It's organic goo, maybe teeth, and maybe hair. Nothing resembling a limb, let alone a body. The same as the World Trade Tower dropping on top of people, times 10 the the nth power, and in the WTC they found goo they put in bags.
The fact they waited 10 hours before calling the coast guard said it all. Losing contact only 2 hours after submerging really? That's a massive red flag.
Most of the men on there were adults and knew the danger. What bothers me is the man talking his son into going. I'd never convince my child to participate in something so dangerous.
The big problem is they were sold a lie in the first place. I do however take an issue with the fact they had to sign a waver that meantions 'death' more often than the word 'the'' or the like. Still, they were told that, while its a risky undertaking, it would be safe to visit the boat at those depths. Even though the truth of it was thats it was more like a balloon ride where the balloon was on fire. 1 guy knew and ignored the myriad of warning this was probably gonna happen. 1 guy knew there was a possibility this could happen 1 guy knew the risks were very severle 1 guy went on a fantasical thrill-ride 1 guy was coersed.
I feel like Rush was really insulted when the reporter laughed at the game controller. He legit though they had some great ideas and were being innovative not defiant
An off brand Chinese game controller, no less. Saved $30 vs. using a real PlayStation controller like the Navy sometimes does. And I'm pretty sure the Navy doesn't trust anyone's life essential functions to Bluetooth. I have no doubt he had zero manual control backup options for anything.
Hats off to the experts in this field that tried their damndest to raise the red flags & prevent this tragedy, and are still doing their damndest to put international laws in place to prevent a tragedy like this from ever happening again. You’re all hero’s in my book.
It sounds as though Mr.Rush seriously misrepresented to his own clients the potential risk they were taking. Now Stockton Rush will be remembered, but not thought of in the way he'd hoped: not as an explorer, but as the headstrong, cost-cutting businessman who ignored the concerns of everyone around him, costing four other people their lives in the process.
@@stargazer7644it doesn't matter. Simply making smtg available to the public carries an implication of safety. Some things cannot be legally waived. Also ppl are desensitized to waivers bc they cover everything possible... the question is whether the people signing could have reasonably foreseen the outcome regardless of the words said.
Guillermo Söhnlein, who co-founded OceanGate with Stockton Rush, just announced that he wants to take a team down to the Bahamas' Dean's Blue Hole. What could possibly go wrong?
This is maybe a stupid question but why they didn't tie a long cable to the sub? I understand it would be a long cable but what is 4000 m worth of cable cost? , so in case of emergency they can slowly pull them back on the mother ship?
I immediately thought of kindergarten when we wrapped a balloon with glue and string. The string held the balloon fine, but it squashed when we popped the ballon. I cried.
@@Frankthetank-zr5mc They show it in the video later. It's like rope, if your stretch it and pull something it is strong, but if you put a piece of rope between something and try and push with the rope the rope just buckles up. For aircraft and space craft that are pressured from the inside the carbon fibers stretch and work with exceptional strength but not for containers with the pressure outside :( > But yeah, the string on the balloon analogy is spot on. It's sad that this ocean balloon cost 6 lives over something so simple :(
I didn’t know the 19-year-old had to be talked into going. I’m not sure why that makes it worse, but it does (imo). According to this docu, he didn’t want to go, and was pressured into it. 😞
Lmao I think he means it’s ethically wrong to lie, and that even though he lied about testing the sub, a dive doesn’t constitute or substitute the testing that other subs who follow the rules go through. He can say whatever on his website, but the paper trail- or lack thereof -about testing doesn’t lie. As my dad used to say, “sayin’ so don’t make it so” lol. And that’s the point that guy was trying to make. Not “you can’t lie on your website” meaning “businesses are always transparent Or Else” but “you can’t lie on your website” meaning it’s easy to fact check and expose (as they’ve done in this documentary).
This guy, Elizabeth Holmes & Sam Bankman Fried are almost identical characters in their own respective fields. A wise person can spot them from a mile away. They come with the same warning signs.
Sadly, a lot of the world think being ambitious with a can-do attitude are good characteristics. There are a whole load of disasters the wouldn't have happened if people listened to engineers saying "we've got a problem" rather than the "positive thinkers".
32:10 the most fascinating part of the entire doc. Submersible testing is pretty thorough and stringent. No wonder Stockton wanted to skip the hard part.
@@captjim11 yeh it could have been a fault anywhere in the fiber tho they had cable penetrations coming thru the fiber into the cabin also a hairline crack anywhere especially where the steel rings would expand at different rates to carbon and epoxy i saw one dive the sub went into the water at an angle and the passenger filming inside was standing on the hatch door but compared to fully welded titanium spheres that was like a diy paddlepop raft those people had deathwish to go in it
A tragic (but avoidable) wreck caused by greed, arrogance, and hubris, occuring on a dive to view a tragic (but avoidable) wreck caused by greed, arrogance, and hubris. I don't think the irony of it is lost on a single person.
Last time i checked. Titanic wasn't made out of greed, arrogance or hubris. It was made to compete with lusitania and Mauritania. The steel was well made. The crew knew what to do in emergencies. And the reason for so few life boats. Was due to outdated regulations.
The bulkheads were originally designed to go higher and would have stopped it going down so fast, giving help enough time to get there. The owners ordered the bulkheads to be shorter so they could have more big open spaces. As for the lifeboats, the regulations did not account for a ship of that size but there was nothing stopping them putting on enough lifeboats for everyone on board, they chose not to.
@@2009SONICFAN In terms of Titanic I was moreso talking about the captain and crew- ignoring ice warnings because Smith thought he knew better, speeding up despite the warnings because he (and probably Ismay) wanted to get into New York a day early, and the officers launching lifeboats half full or less, costing lives that could have been saved. Having more lifeboats wouldnt have made a difference in the end, because they barely had enough time to launch the ones they DID have.
Like the old lady said: leave that boat alone. Its a seaman's grave and should not be disturbed. Which in certain ways is curious because I seem to remember there IS such rule (or something like it) that prohibits people from doing similar thing to old 16th/17th century vessels.
It didn't rid the world of billionaires. You think their money just disappeared?? LOL. It just got passed to others in their family and called an inheritance. As much as you'd like your communist ideals to flourish, their money stayed exactly where it is,
The story of the Titanic has fascinated so many people through the years; myself included; however, I would have no interest in seeing the wreck of the ship up close, especially crammed into a submersible. The photos taken so far are enough for me.
Most of the victims of the Titanic were not Billionaires (Even when adjusting for inflation). Most of them were lower-middle class, emigrating from the UK to the US in search of a better life.
Ocean Liners were not cruise ships, and even the most luxurious Liners carried as many if not more lower class passengers than they did upper class. People in first class had more spacious quarters on the higher decks because they could afford it, and that means that they were more likely to be able to evacuate than the lower class accommodations on the titanic. The titanic sinking was remarkably ineffective at "ridding the world of billionaires" and killed an order of magnitude more lower class passengers than there were billionaires that were even on board (adjusted for inflation we're talking a handful). None of the crew, and the overwhelming majority of souls who died couldn't have dreamed of becoming millionaires. How many innocent working class people are you willing to sacrifice to slake your thrist for bourgeois blood? And for what? For their tycoons to go to someone else just like them?
I'm sorry about what happened especially for the young lad who didn't want to go, but I agree with the lady who survived, it's a grave site and should be respected as such, its not an attraction.
Interesting that Oceans Gate didn't comply with any of the International Regulatory rules, yet, when the distress calls went out multiple nations answered.
When he stated something about “years of experience yet not enough knowledge, vs willful act” ( I know it is not an exact quote) and then he asked which is worse? Ouch.
At the time the public did not have any verification of an implosion so it could have been an electrical failure where coms and motors werent working meaning there was a chance for a rescue operation. We may have infered a catastophic failure by what we knew about the sub. Now if we had known about the sound picked up by the ocean sensors right away then an implosion would have been the logical thought.
I live in Newfoundland. I remember how excited people were about the idea of the expedition. It was so strange that within one night it became people talking about the possibility of the riders even surviving
Obviously so bad was the legacy of OceanGate, that its former employees and anyone who used to do collaborations with Stockton would rather had their faces censored from photographs featured in this documentary. They don't want to be associated with a submersible company that is forever being infamous for the deadly implosion and the woefully amateur-ish construction of the Titan submersible.
Stockton Rush, you are not missed. The other victims I will say Rest in Peace. But you?! Never. You brought your folly upon yourself. Pride cometh before a fall. And it came for you. May you never be remembered or grieved.
Damnatio memoriam would be appropriate, if not for the warning Rush provides to others. You're not invincible. You're not immortal. And you might be blazing new trails, or you might just be rushing to your grave. At least have the decency to jump in it yourself, and alone. Stockton did at least have the decency to jump in it, I find Söhnlein's quotes in incredibly poor taste, the guy seems completely insane. Even more so knowing he's also funding a *Venus colonisation project*.
I completely agree.. his wife was signing all those documents to make this thing.. she was beside him all the way.. but I guess she did hv grandparents who died on the titanic so she would know more then the rest of us sad humans, like her husband .
@@Amber93012 Everyone that works with subsea equipment knows you should test the equipment many times the operation depth numerous times. There is no excuse for not doing this and a deadly rule to break.
It's so touching to me that everyone got together to try to warn him and even thought about trying to sue him for no personal gain. I have a partner who is a little to into DIY, and I'm disabled so I know that skipping health and safety measures is complete ignorance about the value of yr health. I relate to that kind of frantic effort to persuade someone to see reason.
I don’t understands PH or Harding doing it. They were very experienced. PH on the Titanic and Harding had been to the deepest point on earth. They knew the risks. The Paki businessman and son were hoodwinked. I understand that he had a lifelong love of the Titanic and his son begrudgingly joined him after mom declined. As for me, if I had the money, Iu may have been reeled in by Stockton. He appeared to have the creds and ability. Hell, he was driving the bus. So sad. I’m sure of they knew 10% of what we know now they wouldn’t have gone. RIP.
It's not like they were going to the most famous shipwreck in the world, one that only a handful of people have seen with their own eyes since it sank. Don't act like seeing it in person wouldn't be an outer body experience. When done safely, it's a very successful but expensive trip.
@@Jean_Pierre_Wehry it’s not about the destination. It’s about the journey. No way I’m going on something that controversial with my life on the line and never would I pay a quarter of a million dollars for it.
The Titan submersible will go down in history (no pun intended) as a landmark like the Ford Pinto. It will be studied in engineering and ethics textbooks for years to come.
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Stockton constantly mentioned how few people have been injured or killed in submersibles over the last few decades. Crazy he never put it together that the rules he skirted and broke were the reasons they were so safe.
also the number of people going into those submersibles is miniscule. 60 years of submersibles is like a day of helicopter usage
Stockton Rush is a Maverick, he's a bloody genius. I pray for their safe return....
@@michael-4k4000 theyve been dead for over a year now bud
Rulebooks are written in blood, so they say.
Same goes for people who have been in the profession for a long time... They crash ships and planes because they think they're good enough to take risks after decades of work, but they forget the reason they've lasted this long is by NOT taking those risks.
This is THE story to teach future generations about why safety rules and regulations are important, and about the consequences of greed, hubris and cost-cutting.
Stockton Rush deserves to be remembered as a callous, apathetic, greedy and arrogant narcissist.
Exactly
Don't forget reckless.
@@TheBandit7613 beyond reckless. Just callous
He also needs to be remembered as a murderer. His callous & selfishness led to the death of 4 innocent people. And he was warned by several experts that his approach was dangerous & could only have disastrous outcomes, and he ignored all of them. His own engineer told him that his sub wasn't safe and he was promptly fired.
You know who is a much bigger callous, apathetic, greedy and arrogant narcissist in tech? Elon Musk. Judging by his still massive following of unquestioning tech-illiterate fans and investors, as yet, current generations still haven't learnt the lesson.
I think that older woman makes a good point: The Titanic is a bunch of people's grave sites and probably better left alone vs treated like a tourist trap
For only 250k you can go on a 8 day titanic trip
For $250,000 you can become part of Titanic's debris field. Get your tickets here!
@@justkeepswimming8892 come on you can join and hang out with the underwater ghosts of people born in 19th century!
@@RedGummyBears-g3g No lifeboats this time!
I agree with her but unfortunately all the titanic survivors have been dead for at least 15 years so now companies dont give a rats ass
the reason why they didn't do a testing programme is because they knew it wouldn't pass THOSE tests. when the test is "can the vessel survive prolonged exposure to pressure" it's pretty important test.
Repeated prolonged exposure
They noticed cracking noises on every dive.
Nah, carbon fibre 🤪
Yes, but the guy is also asking for 6times the max load for a prolonged period of time. That sounds to me also like he is asking for an excessive high safety factor.
100% agree with you. This man arrogance off the charts.
Stockton Rush wanted to make history, to make his name forever known forever.
He succeeded...and he took 4 victims with him.
That's the most fked up part. If he gave a damn he would have went by himself & not knowingly endangered anyone else. But using a submersible that already went down under so much pressure should not have been taken down again. He knew exactly what could happen. I also think he went because he knew the risk & he knew if he didn't go & this happened, he'd be ruined, destroyed & he wouldn't be able to handle that.
The fact that he did it with a method absolutely certain to fail is what I don’t get. His ego was so far gone he was just delusional. The facts cannot be changed. Carbon fibre shatters under oceanic pressures.
This was madness his sub was not safe when he says he wants to be remembered did nhe plan to end his life and the 4 others they were not told of all the red flags and decent people got sacked pushed houndogs out for money and murder I hope this company gets suid and all that money could go to a better cause when there is so much poverty I the word
It's mindboggling to me that he sealed them inside, like what would've happened if they needed to make an emergency exit (if things happened otherwise)...the thing looks uncomfortable and like they were sardines in a tin can.. he deserves to be remembered as a POS, narcissistic clown..reset the industry back because now ppl will be afraid to try it out..
@lindamcmillan7618 plus they sealed themselves inside, like what kinda madness is that? There was a tiny porthole to view out of and they had to take turns, game controller to operate the sub and more..the hubris on this guy is almost palpable. 4 innocent lives, one being a kid is gone cause this narssasit thought he was smarter than the industry
‘Carbon fiber likes to be pulled, it does not like to be pushed’. Wow.
I’m a moron with no engineering experience but that line was logical, simple to understand and impactful.
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And if I recall from physics classes- ‘pressure always Pushes’ (really things don’t actually ‘suck’ what really happens is the pressure is changed and therefore air PUSHES in to balance the pressure. Like when you breathe, your diaphragm changes the pressure in your lungs and air is pushed in, we don’t actually ‘suck’ air the way we think. With that in mind, and thinking about that quote and pressure at the bottom of the ocean…. Wow, wow
@@13thAllieCat exactly. That guy was a lunatic
what in the living f?
It makes you realise that his lack of knowledge about that really did doom those onboard including himself.
@@cherrytraveller5915 and I’d add that he was stubborn and probably got off on bucking the system too
Its the young lad that went aboard to be with his father that really makes me feel sad,so unavoidable,mans arrogance is unbelievable.
Sad indeed however there's also another matter here to consider. The son doesn't go then lives the rest of his life regretting he was not with his father hence survivors guilt. It's very likely the young man considered these things and so chose to be with his father to the end if it happened.
@@warrenchambers4819exactly
@@warrenchambers4819 "The son doesn't go then lives the rest of his life regretting he was not with his father hence survivors guilt." Not really, you wouldn't have blamed the kid if he refused to jump off the cliffs of Yosemite with his father, would you? "Bye dad, see you down there..."
@@newhorizon4066 Yeah I agree, I don't think the son was thinking he and the other 4 could have been crushed. From the interview his mother gave, he came with his dad since it was Father's day and wanted to do some fun rubics cube challenge. This was not jumping off cliff knowing they would die, this was him entering a submarine that was sold as "being most safe and once in a lifetime experience.
@@RoyJNg "I don't think the son was thinking he and the other 4 could have been crushed." Wrong assumption, you can't think what "the son was thinking." You only fool yourself.
“When you act with impunity, I don’t care if it’s in submarines or politics, it’s not a good thing. You can get away with it for awhile, but in the long range it does not hold.”
What a haunting quote.
Moral of the story:
Arrogance destroys.
Supreme Court: "Hold my beer"
"Every lie we tell incurs a debt to the truth. Sooner or later that debt is paid.”
A very haunting quote indeed. Allow me to add my own.
"The book of rules and regulations is written in the blood of men, women and children."
Hear hear!
Arrogance and greed
I could listen to William Kohnen for hours. Extremely knowledgeable, level-headed, and a great communicator.
Hate to say it, but this was the one explorer type disaster where I didn't feel sorry for the main guy. Felt sorry for the son whose Dad pressured him to go on the trip, but that is about it.
I am same, but....I have a slight intelligence vs I've got money let's do it mentality for the passengers... the son I honestly feel his death was tragic, didn't have to happen but for his father
Same!
I know. I feel so bad for the 19-year-old boy. I know he did it for his father. Yet at least they were together.
Pride goes before the fall
What about the other gentlemen that were on the submersible? They were victims as well
Why am I still so obsessed with Oceangate ?
Because its something rich people want to do but these rich people are not as smart as they think they are.
And they fail...
My hyperfixation atm
Same. It’s still gripping.
to much J cole @@HalehJune
Because it imploded. That's really the only reason
Never a better example of "I told you so" in human history.
THE OCEAN GATE DOCUMENTARY!
"Worked with Boeing" that should be a major red flag!!
😂😂😅
Annd Boeing sent something into space...i found that very unsettling!
Don't buy expired fish... or CF.
Yep.
Boeing has always been highly technologically advanced.
So this is by means a ",red flag".
It's only in the last 4-5 years they have fallen from grace.
I would suggest by piss poor management.
FYI
Boeing and Nasa had 0 to do with Ocean gate.
Read a book
I’ve got such a huge amount of respect for all the men and women from so many different countries who dropped everything and went to go help try to rescue the Titan. Even if they were sure it was hopeless, they still went out there and tried. I love that about people.
It makes me proud to be a human but at the same time... ashamed.
The amount of money spent on the search could have improved or saved many other lives (like children education, helping the suicidal, social housing etc.)
@@retsaMinnavoiGYes, during the exact time of the search and rescue mission for the Titan, hundreds of Refugees (including many children) downed in the Mediterranen Sea, because their boat was in distress.
The US military knew about it when it happened. They knew from the start they imploded and instigated a massive search for no reason. The military knew the pings they were hearing wasn’t them knocking.
The amount of money wasted on the search and rescue could have saved hundreds of lives.
@@noradickel6269 Exactly. Rich people matter - poor people don't - makes me sad for humanity.
It gives me shivers to even think about going that deep down into the ocean
"Everyone has their own opinions, on how subs should be design. How dives should be conducted". NO THEY DON'T - your entire industry was warning and attempting to stop you Mr Sohnlein.
Sohnlein left Oceangate in 2013. What's your point? He was a minority partner after that. That was 10 YEARS prior to the accident.
Yes, red flag when you hear a person like that talking out of their ass. That guy was just as bad as Stockton.
@@stargazer7644he didn't change his mind even AFTER the accident. Keeps defending Rush. Now wants to take people to Venus. He's the perfect example of stupidity and of exactly the kind of "everyone is entitled to their opinion above facts"-mentality.
I love the fact how AFTER this tragedy happened, everybody came out of the woodworks to comment on these type of UA-cam videos to let everyone know they are submariner experts… and how this was super dangerous and the reasons why 😂 all quoting statement they’ve heard on the news. Yeah good job repeating what’s been said a bunch of times.
@@johnyrocket-sx3pd OceanGate was warned in 2018 that their design needs to be certified and the risks with a carbon fiber hull by industry experts. The CEO ignored it saying that he wants to break rules. It's one thing to test this with your own life, it's totally irresponsible and hubris to charge people who had little understanding of the true design flaws in the concepts.
This dude lived up to his last name. Everything else he said was a lie but Oceangate being a "Rush job" is painstakingly accurate.
For an engineer he didn't seem to appreciate the physics of being 2.5 miles deep in saltwater. He designed a deep water toothpaste tube.
Lunatic
Lmaoooo 💀💀💀
When the narrator said "steered by a crappy game controller" 💀
@@LittleHatori never have I ever seen a (forgot the name of the news person who does those stories lmao) just make a snarky comment like that before 😂🤣 ballsy and not untrue lmaoooo 💀💀
Having worked in the subsea robotics industry as an operator and engineer for 24 years, the arrogance and flagrant disregard for recognised safety practices is just breathtaking.
It's disturbing in itself that the ONLY person who did not feel good about going and was skeptical, was the child. No one cared to listen and he was hushed and pushed to ignore his gut and go anyway, and lost his life because of it. I bet they wished they had listened now. Everyones voice should matter...no matter how small
Children are born with so much natural intelligence and through the years, less than smart adults corrode this natural intelligence
The child was 19 years old. Young but not exactly a child. Still a great loss, as he was right.
@@falconeshield 19 is undoubtedly a child, if somebody lives to lets say 80, thats only 25% of his life was lived before it was cut short
19 is not a child, it's an adult in most world countries. People getting comical nowadays with what child is, seems border is moving, soon some will blabber about 25 years old as child 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️😂 @@JohnnyApplesauce1
Another person was invited did not go because he told them the sub was not safe. He declined to go and he was right.
7 News knocking it out of the park with these documentaries. Really impressive how a news org in a different hemisphere is able to produce and share for the world here documentaries that the likes of the BBC used to make. Well done!
Thank you so much, Kevin.
Agree...Biased Broadcasting Corporation is nothing but woke DEI propaganda.
I am impressed by Kohnen's clarity of expression; I could listen to his views for hours.
same.
I am by no means an expert in deep sea exploration nor do I pretend to know what types materials a submersible should be made out of to go to that depth in the ocean. But even I know looking at a guy with a video game controller and 2 monitors from walmart in essentially a tube with a black mat looked shady as fook.
Apparently it’s common to use a controller like that….but the fact that it was WIRELESS!!
Unfair to blame the controllers. Especially Playstation/Xbox controllers are some of the most tortured devices on the planet. They are cheap, robust, versatile. People are familiar with them already. That's why they are used in many applications, in army, navy, airforce, for drones, of all kinds. Super useful in robotics as well.
@@axlslak That one wasn't even a first party controller though. It was a cheap logitech one. He couldn't even pony up to buy a proper dualshock.
I saw multiple carbon fiber bikes snap all of a sudden. Have never seen a steel bike snap.
@@petemiller2598 Presumably a proper dualshock would've been harder to make work. Lots of propriatery stuff in those things. Logitech controllers meanwhilst work out the box with any computer you plug them into really.
James Cameron knew they were atomised the moment they went missing
Pretty much everyone did
i knew it was a submarine as soon as they said submarie
If anyone had inside info he did. He let some things slip in his first couple of interviews that made it clear they were gone.
Clearly he tried to protect his sources, but the anger and contempt he felt for Rush and his murderous actions came through.
I can’t fault the Navy or Coastguard. The Navy had secrets to protect and the Coastguard had a job to do. The share no blame.
@@stellarwind1946 Everyone, including media which were saying there is still hope, but in fact they were just milking money from wievs.
Everyone who knew about the audio the navy picked up knew that.
The submersible expert speaking at the beginning couldn't have been more right in all he said. May all their souls rest in peace
This whole situation seems like the ultimate example of a rich man's delusion that nothing bad could ever happen to him, and he ended up taking 4 other people down with him
Twas wokeness thatkilled the beast..
narcissism at its finest, my friend.
Well said! 👏👏👏
Well, those other people went willingly. So no tears for any of them.
@@KarmelaKarmelina yes, they did. Did they really understand the risks they were taking? That is kind of cold of you to say that. Have never been guilty of poor decision making?
Arrogance and greed lead to disasters.
In the ABC 2 hour documentary, there was a clip where Stockton was saying "Great CEO, or greatest CEO" when he was posing for pictures.
@@RoyJNg do you have a link/name to that doc please
@@VSR7684 UA-cam isn't letting me post the link.
1. Go to google
2. Type in ABC Fatal Dive to the Titanic
3. First link
And the public is made to pick up the pieces.
Short, sweet, concise and accurate. Nice comment.
The only reason it took them that long to call the coast guard is, bc they already knew what happened, were scared of getting in trouble, and nobody wanted to be the one to make that call...
Same thing that happened in Chernobyl nuclear plant,,,,why all the hesitation and it has already happened,the more time it takes after the incident the bigger the story it becomes.
I can't imagine the grief losing your husband and son at the same time under such spectacular circumstances. What a Neverending nightmare.
My heart goes out to the poor mother ❤
And the aunt, she cared for her nephew quite a lot.
And the whole family of each and every participant, absolutely. Heck, it made me sad, just watching the investigations and testimony, as I know it did many others....
Rush will rightly be remembered for all of the wrong reasons.
Where’s Wendy Rush in all this.. conspicuous by her silence and disappearance.. she was a joint partner with her husband on that project.. for goodness sake! Someone should be held to account!! What on earth is going on??
youll be remembered for all of the wrong reasonos
@silvo-sings The problem is man’s ego, his wife just got drag along with him.
It's wild how history seems to repeat itself like this. The Titanic and the Titan, two completely different eras, yet united by the same tragic fate. Pushing the boundaries, exploring the unknown, it's all part of the human spirit. But there's a fine line between ambition and recklessness. This is a stark reminder that safety should always be the top priority, no matter how exciting the adventure. It's a tough pill to swallow, but lessons like these are crucial.
It was reported that the son actually tried to get out of the dive because he was scared. The guy who was operating the sub told him it was completely safe.
Allways always always trust your gut. That's the lesson here.
Sadly, it was Suleman's father that convinced him to get on board. They were there for a Father's Day outing, and his father loved the Titanic; how could he back out?
Ouch😢
Poor kid 😢
Completely safe, That's probably what they told the astronauts that flew in the challenger space shuttle.
I still feel sorry for the boy the most. Trusting his father to make a rational decision that doesn't harm him ...
What's crazy to me is that they filled in for another father and son who backed out after the son decided Stockton wasn't legit and the sub wasn't safe.
@@seanpellegrino2989 That duo gave us some interesting asides about Stockton Rush.
Excellent and informative production, thanks so much
When the name of the company sounds like a scandal waiting to happen, you can't trust it: Ocean-Gate, really? That's not smart 😅
On top of that they named it Titan. 😬
Also when the CEO has the ego the size of the Titanic, then we know it's going to be bad.
Excellent point about the name; it’s all too true. Wonder if there was unconscious defiance in the name.
Reminds me of Heaven's Gate.
Haha. Maybe he thought his target audience was too young to catch the irony.
Steel is ductile, unlike carbon fiber. That makes it a lot easier to figure out where fatigue stress is developing. It also means it doesn’t fail catastrophically. When carbon fiber fails, it shatters into a million pieces.
steel cracks when it fails. The breaking point isn't the problem, the shattering isn't either. It's how it is built and about how you can check whether it is built correct. The carbon fibre is hundreds of layers which can all delaminate and there's no solid way to test that. It's a given it will happen - stockton just figured you could hear it coming - which was based on nothing.
Otherwise steel is easy to weld, but it corrodes, deteriorates. Titanium is best there, lighter too, but way more expensive, also because it needs to be the one solid piece (why most are spherical, while subs are often not). Welding isn't really an option. Having said all that, the billion dollar subs still also sink at times... space craft explode. But they do tend to calculate risks... Stockton just ignored that while using a flawed process. Carbon is used in space just fine. But due to the way fibre layers are made, pressure isn't that suitable for it. But the glass they use shatters too - they just make it thick enough. Again, very expensive.
Tragic because they went looking for a sub they would never find whole or with anyone inside.
@@corbeau-_- kno steel doesnt crack,-----> it bends
@@710nerDeckel So you're telling me steel doesn't crack, only to tell me it does crack - suddenly.
The point as stated that it's not about breaking, bending, shattering, cracking, going supernova, whatever, but about being able to make reliable calculations on said breaking point. Carbon layered structures can't properly be checked, where it is possible on steel, titanium, metal...
As for your own advice, best avoid the word literal and avoid using capslock as a tool to show your frustration.
My uncle Ned said they should make the Submarine out of 100% glass in a sphere shape
Post tragedy, the most infuriating part for me is how so many people strung along the public to actually believe there was a chance these people survived. All the insiders, including the navy and coast guard knew the sub had imploded.
I followed this case pretty closely at the time but I always felt like the oxygen “countdown” was used to make the story more sensationalized for viewers. I bet most of the professionals working on the rescue probably agreed that that thing crushed like a bug under all that pressure, probably right when contact with it was lost.
It absolutely was even the Coast guard failed to mention what they had already heard play simply wanted to find debris to back it up
That was certainly the most likely outcome, but only those that were privy to the US Navy's classified underwater microphone's recording knew for sure. While the USCG had it at the time, that info wasn't released to the public until much later.
I liked to think there was just a lot of hope, but honestly you’re probably right. It made a crazy story.
No one should forget that the sound of the implosion was detected. A handful of people knew the search was really a recovery operation, and withheld that information under orders.
The media suppressed it so they could have their gripping storylines for the next few days. They had millions of people obsessively watching their oxygen countdown like it was some sick game. Imagine how much money they made from the views.
Ya. They withheld info to confirm it was indeed ocean gate. Nothing to do with media. You don’t see/hear a plane crash and immediately make assumptions. Even when it is obvious, you need to be 100 percent certain before telling families.
I had no idea this was heard but I guess common sense says obviously they heard something then lost contact. Of course they heard something. It's so sad because it didn't have to go down like this.
Yeah, the Navy heard it implode but was using Top Secret technology to hear it and they weren't about to disclose any of that.
IF THEY DONT HAVE CONFIRMATION THEN YOU CANT ASSERT ANYTHING. nothing was withheld. hush child. no more talking for you
All I ever remember is that poor boy. He was terrified of this expedition and only went out of love for his dad on Father’s Day.
That we worked with Boeing comment didn’t age well either.. 🤣
And it wasn't true.
@@stargazer7644 I'm starting to wonder if it was. Apparently another plane lost a wheel on Monday. It wouldn't be beneath Boeing to claim they never heard of him after the disaster.
@stargazer7644 Honestly I wouldn’t be surprised if it WAS true - did you hear about how one of the Boeing whistleblowers strangely happened to just commit $uicide right before he was supposed to testify in court? Rush ending up dead after working with Boeing fits in with Boeings MO perfectly
Two Boeing ing. allegedly did participate in the start of the project
This is the best documentary that I’ve seen on this disaster so far.
Good documentary 💯
It's just rehashing stuff that's been said over and over since last year.
Ditto. Great piece, added information (I didn't know about the testing routine) and didn't embark on sensationalism.
Agreed. The man from California really explained this well. It is still really heart breaking to know this could have been prevented.
@@Evolvingwithin777fascinating guy to listen to!!
I like the tone, serious and calm and not blaming anyone but making the best suggestions to deal with the issue!
It's crazy seeing videos of Rush knowing that he was literally turned into a clump of oily mush right above the wreck of the Titanic.
The Titanic also met its fate due to an arrogant Capt who thought nothing could bring the ship down.
The irony.
To be fair, this is a misconception about Captain Smith. Nothing he did the night of Titanic's sinking was inappropriate or out of place for the time. He was not, in fact, trying to set a best time across the sea like it's been suggested; he was operating the ship at normal speeds.
Other ships sending warnings and being disregarded was not because of Smith, but because the wireless operators were sending personal messages to loved ones at Cape Race on behalf of wealthy passengers. They were so encumbered by it that they turned away the warnings. The iceberg wasn't visible until they were within 500 yards because of the stillness of the ocean that night and the lack of adequate moonlight. There was no time to evade it even at normal cruising speed.
Smith's biggest problem was not leading an orderly evacuation and being indecisive; this led to many boats being launched at less than full capacity by his officers.
It was a good idea.. Once i made a car out of spaghetti. Everyone laughed at the idea, even my wife.. Should have seen her face when i drove pasta.
Wanna fly in my airplane? It is made of hemp and is controlled with an iPhone app.
Carbonara fibre?
Then you got the idea to penne comment about your experience.
If only you used a 20 year old Logitech pc controller you can find in a good will bin. Maybe you would be alive today.
Is there anything new in this? I feel like it’s been covered to death.
This is so informative! Great job, fantastic reporting!🌻🌼🐝 Keep it up 🙌
The fact that the reporter laughed at the control pads is so astonishing. It is like he sensed danger 😅
No, he sensed dumbassery.
They keep saying MacGyvering the submersible, when it was mor accurately MacGrubered.
Exactly! And MacGyver's stuff actually worked!
@@oragamiowl5031 It WOULD have work except for the hull going beyond the rated depth. For all we know the depth limit for that garage build submarine might have been like 50 feet or something before stress comes in, but who knows....
He could’ve got a high-end joy controller, but he deliberately went to the cheap knock off Logitech controller, just to brag that it was riskier.
Yea MacGyver never failed
MacGyver was an idiot. He step over a functioning fully loaded firearm to make a device out of a ballpoint pen and a hair scrunchie when multiple lives were on the line.
At this point I wouldn’t be surprised if Boeing actually DID consult on the titan
Lmaooooo 💀💀💀
You are remembered by the rules you break..... Stockton Crush.....
"Remember him?, he was delicious!" - Random Spider Crab.
Cant break the rules of physics, apparently...
The same as Donald Trump soon will be remembered.
Hysterical. Sorry rude, but hysterical
He was stopped and crushed
They knew almost immediately when they imploded, exactly what happened. They all knew they were gone but went through the charade of a rescue anyway.
It's a tough choice. Typically you can't just assume people are dead.
@@adamheywood113they heard it on sonar. They knew immediately. The led us on for a week!
If by "they" you mean the USCG, then yes, they had strong evidence. But the USCG doesn't give up on people until they know for sure they can't be helped. You should be happy about that.
@@stargazer7644 I meant all involved. The navy confirmed an implosion triangulated to the site of the Titanic. The Coast Guard was notified at the start or near to it. The crew on the surface ship had to have known. One hour would be twice as much time as anyone else would have waited to contact the authorities and they waited twelve. I watched the day after it all started to go public when James Cameron openly said that he had a Navy source that said an implosion was heard, and that they all knew there was no rescue. I understand perfectly that the Coast guard can not just give up until definitive physical proof was found, but that then brings up that they knew exactly where they were diving and that is precisely where the wreckage was found. I understand that it took some time to get anything on site that could reach those depths to find that wreckage and verify but in what world is that ok? There should have been at minimum an ROV capable of reaching depth on hand and a back up plan for possible rescue including a trained crew with all equipment necessary right there before ANY dives took place, especially with passengers. He had been offering trips to multiple social media influencers in the weeks and months leading up to that event, obviously trying to drum up attention and likely to promote his “tours”. Mr. Beast specifically was offered a spot on that exact dive. Setting all of that upsetting negligence and irresponsibility it had to be torture for the families to hold out hope that the searchers and the company responsible knew was very unlikely even if they wanted to consider the Navy’s information unconfirmed. They could have and probably should have been honest and said what the reality of the situation was but that they were not going to give up until they found them one way or another. It has been over a year and at least as of a few weeks ago the Oceangate company has not even made a single condolence call to the daughter of P.H. Nargeolet. There is no excuse nor justification for what happened and very little if any at all for how it was handled after the fact. Many involved were just following orders but someone gave those orders and made bad decisions. I _am_ glad that the Coast Guard did not give up and they shouldn’t have, but that isn’t the issue I have, it is the lack of honesty involved and the unnecessarily added pain caused to people that just lost family members that I had and have issues with.
@@stargazer7644 People in desperate need of help almost never get a sliver of the help that these people got, despite the odds of them being alive being near zero. It's not the ethics of the coast guard, it's that society has decided that billionaire lives are worth far, far more than ours..
I really like listening to the gentlemen who explains submarine development and safety. His experience is apparent and his voice is soothing
Omg, I watched it yesterday and it disappeared, I thought I had lost my mind for a whole 24 hours. Glad to know that I did not, in fact, lose it.
Great documentary too.
Just had to fix up a minor sync issue! Thanks for watching and commenting
Fix up your major racist and war criminal defense issue while you’re at it?? Or is Kerry stokes still a little bit butthurt about his best mate the murderer?
A year later this story is still compelling as it ever was, and I am still totally and utterly drawn to the Oceangate saga. It will endure as a cautionary tale for generations.
Are you watching the trial at all?
I will never understand parents who force their goals, dreams, ambitions and interests on their children. They can't seem to accept that their children are not an extension of them; they have their own dreams and interests. Of course there's nothing wrong sharing all of that with your kids, but when they express fear or an outright aversion to whatever it is you're introducing, it's time to back off. Considering the number of death clauses in the contract Suleman's father signed, he knew this was incredibly dangerous, yet pressured his son into doing it anyway.
I agree!!! We should encourage our children to face their more "unreasonable" fears to gain courage but the REASONABLE fears...nah...don't push that. Anybody who doesn't want to go miles underwater is not being unreasonably fearful.
You do not know that the 19-year-old was 'pressured' by his father into doing the Titan trip! You are accepting wholesale a version of events given by his aunt alone (and widely reported by sensationalist mass media), which is totally contradicted by his mother and other family members.
In fact Suleman Dawood had contacted the Guinness World Records before the dive, to register his intention to complete a unique Rubiks Cube challenge aboard the Titan sub, close to the Titanic wreck. He was obsessed with Rubiks Cubes, and excited about this quirky challenge and his imminent creation of a new world record. That does not sound like a young man who was afraid, or doing the Titanic trip against his will just to please his father!
I feel Stockton Rush found the perfect passengers, by targeting multi millionaires. The super-rich not only have the disposable income available to bankroll his aquatic ego trip, they tend to possess an innate confidence that nothing terrible will happen to them. Money protects you from life's 'bumps in the road', and huge amounts of money can even convince you you're immortal.
Stockton Rush, a narcissist at the extreme end of the spectrum, was an accomplished snake oil salesman. His sales pitch to flog $250k apiece Titan tickets to the rich was slick and persuasive. He would tell them a deep dive to Titanic on his submersible was statistically lower risk than crossing the road. He also quoted the impressive safety record of submersible vehicles, in their 60 year history (a record achieved not by him with his dodgy carbon fibre coke can, but by all the professionals down the decades who observed the rules and maintained far higher standards than OceanGate, across the board).
So despite the multiple mentions of death in the waiver Titan passengers signed, I recognise why so many wealthy adventurers trusted OceanGate. After all, Stockton Rush put his money where his mouth is and was aboard the Titan on every Titanic dive. His presence alone would have reassured them of the sub's safety.
Famous last words, "this will be one of the great moments in submersibles." This is still such a sad story, completely preventable. Honestly, the son is the one that hit me the hardest. Just the fact that he was uncomfortable going and only did it to make his dad happy.
People keep talking about furthering scientific exploration, but these were not scientists; they were Titanic enthusiasts. Yes, what they were doing could have been useful to the scientific industry if they had followed the correct policies and procedures. I guess they helped by showing what not to do. The fact that every single expert in the industry, worldwide, said what they were doing was a terrible idea and he ignored it says a lot about the person he was.
I agree; in addition, the woman who lost not only her son but her husband as well must have to live with the fact that she must have given her son permission to go on that voyage with his father. I could never have done that.
Note to self, never use “gate” in naming anything.
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What about Gates McFadden, the actress who played Beverly Crusher on Star Trek: TNG? She’s a good gate…
what about exegate?
@@GrahamCStrouseshe’s an exception haha
Heavens gate. Water gate.
This is like holding a feather and expect to fly, when jumping out of a plane.
Lmaooooo 😂🤣😂🤣
The man speaking during the last quarter of the documentary is so well-spoken and intelligentl.
The guys on the ship knew it imploded from the moment there was radio silence. They kept that poor mother in hope and wasted resources with the "rescue attempt".
Well they couldn't just not search right? That would be unacceptable and without proof, how would they prove what had happened. What couldve been done was for the media to also say that the worse could be a possibility but they also needed to milk the story.
Look at how much money has been spent on searching for MH370 and still nothing. At least in this case, the families have closure.
wonderfully crafted documentary based on current information. well done!
This reminds me of the story of Icarus: don't make wings with wax and fly too close to the sun.
Now we have the story of Rush: don't tell an entire industry and experts within your organization that they're wrong about danger when you're carrying paying customers whom you have lied to about their safety.
Thank you for this documentary.
Bodies to retrieve? no bodies after that pressure sorry.
Implosion- explosion then implosion
Even the microscopical pieces of body would have been consumed by deep sea creatures I am afraid. Nothing goes to waste
I think it's possible slivers of bone or smears of blood could have survived (not to put a macabre spin in things). Beyond that, I agree nothing really survived.
@@kms08711 "Presumed human remains" is not bodies. It's organic goo, maybe teeth, and maybe hair. Nothing resembling a limb, let alone a body. The same as the World Trade Tower dropping on top of people, times 10 the the nth power, and in the WTC they found goo they put in bags.
@@kms08711Uh, no they didn’t. Not really. There bits that used to belong to human bodies.
The fact they waited 10 hours before calling the coast guard said it all. Losing contact only 2 hours after submerging really? That's a massive red flag.
Most of the men on there were adults and knew the danger. What bothers me is the man talking his son into going. I'd never convince my child to participate in something so dangerous.
What did you do when you found out it was dangerous? Who did you tell?
Well it end in a disaster didn’t it since they’re disappearance
Maybe he knew it would be the end and he wanted company so, he don't become a FAILURE all alone.
I know
The big problem is they were sold a lie in the first place. I do however take an issue with the fact they had to sign a waver that meantions 'death' more often than the word 'the'' or the like. Still, they were told that, while its a risky undertaking, it would be safe to visit the boat at those depths. Even though the truth of it was thats it was more like a balloon ride where the balloon was on fire.
1 guy knew and ignored the myriad of warning this was probably gonna happen.
1 guy knew there was a possibility this could happen
1 guy knew the risks were very severle
1 guy went on a fantasical thrill-ride
1 guy was coersed.
I feel like Rush was really insulted when the reporter laughed at the game controller. He legit though they had some great ideas and were being innovative not defiant
An off brand Chinese game controller, no less. Saved $30 vs. using a real PlayStation controller like the Navy sometimes does.
And I'm pretty sure the Navy doesn't trust anyone's life essential functions to Bluetooth.
I have no doubt he had zero manual control backup options for anything.
@@bluedistortionsNavy had heard the sound of implosion and didn't want to share information with other agencies
Navy knew what happened,they had heard the sound of implosion
@@user-tj7nb9fu9t what does that have to do with the topic at hand?
By far the biggest flaw was the owner's ego and reckless attitude to safety.
Ironically, the captain of the Titanic was just as big headed.
Yours is the best comment.I've read to date. One hundred and ten percent correct.
@@XiaoFury Is that so? I had always heard that he was unfairly vilified.
This tragedy sounds like the premise of a low-budget movie now that I think about it.
Yeah 💀💀💀
Hats off to the experts in this field that tried their damndest to raise the red flags & prevent this tragedy, and are still doing their damndest to put international laws in place to prevent a tragedy like this from ever happening again. You’re all hero’s in my book.
It sounds as though Mr.Rush seriously misrepresented to his own clients the potential risk they were taking.
Now Stockton Rush will be remembered, but not thought of in the way he'd hoped: not as an explorer, but as the headstrong, cost-cutting businessman who ignored the concerns of everyone around him, costing four other people their lives in the process.
Perhaps you might want to actually read the waivers his clients had to sign before flapping your lips. They're available on the internet.
No, thank you.
@@stargazer7644it doesn't matter. Simply making smtg available to the public carries an implication of safety. Some things cannot be legally waived. Also ppl are desensitized to waivers bc they cover everything possible... the question is whether the people signing could have reasonably foreseen the outcome regardless of the words said.
@@SpecialBlanket Apparently it does matter as indicated by the fact there hasn't been a successful lawsuit against Oceangate.
@@stargazer7644waivers can't be used to cover up for gross negligence. maybe understand THAT before flapping your lips.
Guillermo Söhnlein, who co-founded OceanGate with Stockton Rush, just announced that he wants to take a team down to the Bahamas' Dean's Blue Hole. What could possibly go wrong?
No 💀💀💀
This is maybe a stupid question but why they didn't tie a long cable to the sub? I understand it would be a long cable but what is 4000 m worth of cable cost? , so in case of emergency they can slowly pull them back on the mother ship?
9:00 Even as a non-engineer I know that carbon fiber is not suitable for compression situations.
I immediately thought of kindergarten when we wrapped a balloon with glue and string. The string held the balloon fine, but it squashed when we popped the ballon.
I cried.
@@Frankthetank-zr5mc They show it in the video later. It's like rope, if your stretch it and pull something it is strong, but if you put a piece of rope between something and try and push with the rope the rope just buckles up.
For aircraft and space craft that are pressured from the inside the carbon fibers stretch and work with exceptional strength but not for containers with the pressure outside :(
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But yeah, the string on the balloon analogy is spot on. It's sad that this ocean balloon cost 6 lives over something so simple :(
Wonder when man discovered you pull with a vine or rope rather than push? 50000 years ago?
@@3beltwesty Yep. The Neanderthals kept lassoing cave bears, then trying to push them away with the rope. And look where it got them.
I didn’t know the 19-year-old had to be talked into going. I’m not sure why that makes it worse, but it does (imo). According to this docu, he didn’t want to go, and was pressured into it. 😞
Pressured?
Poor choice of word.
Yet 100% true, such a terrible incident 😢
@@StraightouttaBristol omg, you’re right. 😬 I was so not thinking. 😔
His father shamed him into going 😢.
He was pressured into the sub and also out of it - the circle is complete.
28:00 "You can't lie on your website." Oh, I assure you, it is entirely possible to lie on a website.
You really think someone would do that? Just go on the internet and tell lies?
Lmao I think he means it’s ethically wrong to lie, and that even though he lied about testing the sub, a dive doesn’t constitute or substitute the testing that other subs who follow the rules go through. He can say whatever on his website, but the paper trail- or lack thereof -about testing doesn’t lie. As my dad used to say, “sayin’ so don’t make it so” lol. And that’s the point that guy was trying to make. Not “you can’t lie on your website” meaning “businesses are always transparent Or Else” but “you can’t lie on your website” meaning it’s easy to fact check and expose (as they’ve done in this documentary).
stockton was operating on "chill bro, I got this"
This guy, Elizabeth Holmes & Sam Bankman Fried are almost identical characters in their own respective fields. A wise person can spot them from a mile away. They come with the same warning signs.
Arrogant, cocky, and greedy. 🚫🚫🚫
Motor mouth, eyes that "see" thru you.
Sadly, a lot of the world think being ambitious with a can-do attitude are good characteristics. There are a whole load of disasters the wouldn't have happened if people listened to engineers saying "we've got a problem" rather than the "positive thinkers".
Holmes and SBF were just con artists running pyramid schemes. I think Rush actually believed his own nonsense.
32:10 the most fascinating part of the entire doc. Submersible testing is pretty thorough and stringent. No wonder Stockton wanted to skip the hard part.
It could be titled: "The man who thought he was stronger than physics"
how smart can this guy be
he glued steel end rings to carbon fiber tube and then hinged heavy titanium hatches off the rings
Exactly - this was the failure point IMHO. That pressure penetrated the glue and pried off those end caps.
@@awgilliamGuess the occupants could then actually reach out and TOUCH the Titanic… that’d be a ‘world first’.
He had titanium end bells, why not the main cylinder, also?
A lot better than the carbon fiber.
@awgilliam I disagree, from what I've heard the carbonfiber failed. Basically had a small crack that expanded and boom.
@@captjim11 yeh it could have been a fault anywhere in the fiber tho they had cable penetrations coming thru the fiber into the cabin also a hairline crack anywhere especially where the steel rings would expand at different rates to carbon and epoxy i saw one dive the sub went into the water at an angle and the passenger filming inside was standing on the hatch door but compared to fully welded titanium spheres that was like a diy paddlepop raft those people had deathwish to go in it
A tragic (but avoidable) wreck caused by greed, arrogance, and hubris, occuring on a dive to view a tragic (but avoidable) wreck caused by greed, arrogance, and hubris.
I don't think the irony of it is lost on a single person.
True
Last time i checked. Titanic wasn't made out of greed, arrogance or hubris. It was made to compete with lusitania and Mauritania. The steel was well made. The crew knew what to do in emergencies. And the reason for so few life boats. Was due to outdated regulations.
The bulkheads were originally designed to go higher and would have stopped it going down so fast, giving help enough time to get there. The owners ordered the bulkheads to be shorter so they could have more big open spaces. As for the lifeboats, the regulations did not account for a ship of that size but there was nothing stopping them putting on enough lifeboats for everyone on board, they chose not to.
@@2009SONICFAN In terms of Titanic I was moreso talking about the captain and crew- ignoring ice warnings because Smith thought he knew better, speeding up despite the warnings because he (and probably Ismay) wanted to get into New York a day early, and the officers launching lifeboats half full or less, costing lives that could have been saved.
Having more lifeboats wouldnt have made a difference in the end, because they barely had enough time to launch the ones they DID have.
Only in an Alanis Morissette kind of way.
Stockton Rush was nothing short of crazy
The accident was unconscionable
Best documental ever about Oceangate
Ah the Titanic. Ridding the world of billionaires for over 100 years and she still going.
Like the old lady said: leave that boat alone. Its a seaman's grave and should not be disturbed. Which in certain ways is curious because I seem to remember there IS such rule (or something like it) that prohibits people from doing similar thing to old 16th/17th century vessels.
It didn't rid the world of billionaires. You think their money just disappeared?? LOL. It just got passed to others in their family and called an inheritance. As much as you'd like your communist ideals to flourish, their money stayed exactly where it is,
The story of the Titanic has fascinated so many people through the years; myself included; however, I would have no interest in seeing the wreck of the ship up close, especially crammed into a submersible. The photos taken so far are enough for me.
Most of the victims of the Titanic were not Billionaires (Even when adjusting for inflation).
Most of them were lower-middle class, emigrating from the UK to the US in search of a better life.
Ocean Liners were not cruise ships, and even the most luxurious Liners carried as many if not more lower class passengers than they did upper class. People in first class had more spacious quarters on the higher decks because they could afford it, and that means that they were more likely to be able to evacuate than the lower class accommodations on the titanic. The titanic sinking was remarkably ineffective at "ridding the world of billionaires" and killed an order of magnitude more lower class passengers than there were billionaires that were even on board (adjusted for inflation we're talking a handful). None of the crew, and the overwhelming majority of souls who died couldn't have dreamed of becoming millionaires. How many innocent working class people are you willing to sacrifice to slake your thrist for bourgeois blood? And for what? For their tycoons to go to someone else just like them?
I'm sorry about what happened especially for the young lad who didn't want to go, but I agree with the lady who survived, it's a grave site and should be respected as such, its not an attraction.
Oh I don't know, when you go out in such a stunning act of Darwinian selection, others SHOULD view it and remember.
Oh yeah very similar to people going to austwitz or the US arizona or the bridge on the river kwai ect
3:48 I like the sarcastic words "The infamous UNSINKABLE Titanic."
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Titanic sank, and he named the Oceangate as Titan... So...
This story is ratings GOLD ! That's why media kept alive the idea they might still be alive after the implosion.
Crazy how many clips are replayed multiple times in this documentary
That's common when you want to break up talking heads.
He was a complete fool
Because it was clearly edited for television... It's so people don't feel lost after the commercial break.
@@MeadeJ67yes!! Thank you!! It’s clear they do a little excerpt of what’s to come before what’s clearly meant to be a commercial break lmao.
A well done recap & what I feel was an honest view in Oceangate saga which I'm sure will continue
Very good documentary and very informative!
The Titanic went down with over 1500 Souls.
Titanic: "Oh I ain't done yet." 😂
Lmaooooo 💀💀💀
Interesting that Oceans Gate didn't comply with any of the International Regulatory rules, yet, when the distress calls went out multiple nations answered.
When he stated something about “years of experience yet not enough knowledge, vs willful act” ( I know it is not an exact quote) and then he asked which is worse? Ouch.
There was never 96 hours of possible survival. Anyone that knows anything about subs knew there was never any rescue to be had.
do some research on more sub rescues...anyone that knew anything about "this " sub knew it was gone
@@jeremiahbacon3651 it's still here in our hearts ;)
At the time the public did not have any verification of an implosion so it could have been an electrical failure where coms and motors werent working meaning there was a chance for a rescue operation.
We may have infered a catastophic failure by what we knew about the sub. Now if we had known about the sound picked up by the ocean sensors right away then an implosion would have been the logical thought.
I live in Newfoundland. I remember how excited people were about the idea of the expedition. It was so strange that within one night it became people talking about the possibility of the riders even surviving
Obviously so bad was the legacy of OceanGate, that its former employees and anyone who used to do collaborations with Stockton would rather had their faces censored from photographs featured in this documentary. They don't want to be associated with a submersible company that is forever being infamous for the deadly implosion and the woefully amateur-ish construction of the Titan submersible.
Oh damn, didn’t even realize that’s who they were censoring 💀💀💀
Thanks for pointing that out!!
Stockton Rush, you are not missed. The other victims I will say Rest in Peace. But you?! Never. You brought your folly upon yourself. Pride cometh before a fall. And it came for you. May you never be remembered or grieved.
His family and friends may feel different.
Damnatio memoriam would be appropriate, if not for the warning Rush provides to others. You're not invincible. You're not immortal. And you might be blazing new trails, or you might just be rushing to your grave.
At least have the decency to jump in it yourself, and alone.
Stockton did at least have the decency to jump in it, I find Söhnlein's quotes in incredibly poor taste, the guy seems completely insane. Even more so knowing he's also funding a *Venus colonisation project*.
I completely agree.. his wife was signing all those documents to make this thing.. she was beside him all the way.. but I guess she did hv grandparents who died on the titanic so she would know more then the rest of us sad humans, like her husband .
This man lost his life as well. He did not mean to kill those people and himself. Please have respect. His poor family.
@@Amber93012 Everyone that works with subsea equipment knows you should test the equipment many times the operation depth numerous times. There is no excuse for not doing this and a deadly rule to break.
It's so touching to me that everyone got together to try to warn him and even thought about trying to sue him for no personal gain. I have a partner who is a little to into DIY, and I'm disabled so I know that skipping health and safety measures is complete ignorance about the value of yr health. I relate to that kind of frantic effort to persuade someone to see reason.
I will never understand people voluntarily taking a trip on this. It's mind-boggling. 🤯
I don’t understands PH or Harding doing it. They were very experienced. PH on the Titanic and Harding had been to the deepest point on earth. They knew the risks.
The Paki businessman and son were hoodwinked. I understand that he had a lifelong love of the Titanic and his son begrudgingly joined him after mom declined.
As for me, if I had the money, Iu may have been reeled in by Stockton. He appeared to have the creds and ability. Hell, he was driving the bus.
So sad. I’m sure of they knew 10% of what we know now they wouldn’t have gone.
RIP.
They didn’t just volunteer. They payed a quarter of a million dollars per seat.
It's not like they were going to the most famous shipwreck in the world, one that only a handful of people have seen with their own eyes since it sank. Don't act like seeing it in person wouldn't be an outer body experience. When done safely, it's a very successful but expensive trip.
@Jean_Pierre_Wehry I don't care what they were going to see. If they offered to pay me, I wouldn't have gone in that unsafe thing.
@@Jean_Pierre_Wehry it’s not about the destination. It’s about the journey. No way I’m going on something that controversial with my life on the line and never would I pay a quarter of a million dollars for it.
The Titan submersible will go down in history (no pun intended) as a landmark like the Ford Pinto. It will be studied in engineering and ethics textbooks for years to come.
24:54 The titanium hull failed? I thought the hull was carbon fiber. Confusing.