You should have mentioned the fact the Voyager developed a reputation of being a ship of death. Remember that species they saved from the Cardassian dreadnaught torpedo?
What I loved the most about Voyager and their first contacts is how they are by chance, not Starfleet scheduled design. It gave them the ability to bring in deadly foes they never would have chosen to meet making the Delta Quadrant often feel like Australia on Earth, something lurking around every corner wanting to kill you.
This video features some of the "AI enhanced" Voyager episodes I've seen online. Honestly, the edges of peoples faces looks "off" - everyone looks more like a changeling than human. I am surprised that paramount hasn't updated DS9 and Voyager to HD. I'm aware that they lost money doing a "proper HD" update to TNG, however, I know that there are ways to make the picture better but not the "Odohansed" version!
Hey, do you guys remember that time that the writers forgot that the Vi'idians even existed for 4 seasons and then they just hand wave it away with a line from George Costanza?
You got the first it was nelixx who recognized who the vadwaar are and Seven was the reason they were awaken so it is seven fault that they were realsed to cause terror on the delta quadrant again
#10 That episode "Course: Oblivion" has the BEST flyby sequence in all of Star Trek. When the real Voyager is is at max warp tying to get in range of the doomed crew, something about how the camera angle is a skew, how fast Voyager flys by, and the camera isn't keeping pace with Voyager. It's one of the only times in all of Trek I've ever felt that the ship in question is actually pushing it's limits based on the visual alone. Normally this is told out with a narrative, but in that 4 second shot, I can see it, and I feel it. I would like to see a list of similar flybly shots.
Voyager really just left a trail of dead bodies in her wake. I wonder how the eventual second contact with a lot of those races went; can't have been pretty.
Well, if you play Star Trek Online, in the Delta Rising expansion, you DO end up meeting the Vaadwaur yet again, and they are most definitely not happy to see Voyager or any of its crew.
Voyage had some fascinating aliens. Would love to see the Vaadwaar and species 8427 return. The reveal of the Sikkarians transport in Picard, was a shocking turn of events. I assumed they had fallen in their confident smugness to the Borg.
Nice homage to DC Fontana. Hope and Fear was one of my favorite Star Trek episodes because it felt with the consequences of the crews actions. In TOS and TNG we never really saw the results of the heroes choices and this just seemed brilliant to me. Just like I love how Lower Decks is going back and checking on Landru, Brecca and Ornara.
TOS: Space Seed > Wrath of Khan, Search for Spock, Voyage Home and The Undiscovered Country TNG: Q Who > All Borg episodes & DS9 || Journey's End > All Maquis episodes from TNG penultimate episode and DS9 & Voyager || Sins of the Father > All Worf dishonored episodes DS9: Way of the Warriors > All Worf theme episode & the conflict between the Federation and Klingons until By Inferno's Light.
Maybe you should do a video about Janeway's crimes, the choices she made that would have got her removed from command, demoted, or imprisoned if there weren't extreme circumstances, like Kirk stealing the Enterprise got him demoted, but if Janeway did the same in the Delta Quadrant, the brass would just say good job getting your crew home, here is an Admiral rank
I've been of the opinion that, thanks to Mulgrews comments about Janeway, a lot of her issues are due to having a mental issue that may have been exacerbated by other things along the way, but the treatment isn't one that can be easily replicated or at all, meaning that she's across the galaxy and her mental state degrades rather quickly, perhaps a cure is found in the time they're gone or she's just back on her meds for later appearances post Voyager's return...or it's something that future Admiral Janeway gave her to fix it. I also, kind of, think that her Admiral rank is also a way to put her out of the way. I believe she was present during Borg Encounter, in charge of that research station as an Admiral while Voyager was being worked on, which would work since Seven was supposedly there as well and the entire Borg thing with it that she might have a clue about her future self's anti-Borg virus. Not sure of the timeline, but I think that information she might have had about things could be why Picard and the Enterprise was ordered to stay away from the Borg attack in First Contact, thinking of what happened with regard to Seven with the Queen fucking with her head there...
Janeway followed Starfleet directives, so any culpability lies with their shortcomings. She wasn't a war criminal like Sisko, she tried to get her crew home with Starfleet rules.
The reason it was forgiven was because of the situation, yes in the Alpha quadrant things work different, there is an entire fleet and safe harbor not far away so easy to hold accountable and expect behaviors. You can't exactly expect 100% following those same rules by a ship that has zero support, back up or safe harbor. Its why it was forgiven for the rules that were broken because strict aderhance to the rules in that situation would be the pinical of stupidity and how you get yourself killed. Rules are fine and dandy when not in a survival situation. Plus for the vast majority of the time she did follow starfleet rules but we've seen before the rules are not black and white and habe been bent and broken many times without issues. Starfleet clearly undergrads rules are not black and white.
What amazes me is how many species Voyager helped save from their own shortcomings. The Borg, the Hirogen, Species 8472 and even the Kazon benefited from Voyager's meddling in the end...
there was that water planet that Paris did somethign so bad on, he got demoted for it. or the planet that in the past, received a "Friendship 1" probe from Earth, and ended up using it's technology to unintentionally destroy themselves. The Voyager crew found the wreckage later on.
The Water Planet one is kind of a mess since it's one where Voyager involved itself in what was, essentially an internal dispute that would have killed the civilization...someone on the other side convinced Tom to help and fix the problem...and that's what got Tom in trouble on Voyager. It was basically Voyager only talking to one side in a Civil War, which is revealed during how Tom conveys the events in the letter he's writing to his father...sure, they weren't giving arms, but they were only talking to one side which IS getting involved by giving more legitimacy to them...and to make things worse, it was the other side that actually turned out to be correct there because the conflict was due to one side not believing that the machinery that kept the water spheres together and functioning was breaking down and needed repairs, the side Janeway was talking to was, essentially, claiming that nothing was wrong and that going there was, essentially, heresy... It was a really fucked up situation... For the Friendship 1 probe, that's more of a Second Contact after a disaster coming from a first contact...and got Kerry killed over it
Thumbs up for L. E. Fontana alone. And for my own sake, that's all I'm going to say on that. A Voyager-centric video without Ellie on lead... I'm calling shenanigans. I found the demon planet clone Voyager endlessly fascinating, and no less so because no one but we the viewers ever knew they existed. This video is another in the long list of examples of why Janeway had it the hardest of all Star Trek captains. We like to joke (or some of us do) that it's Tuesday, Janeway must be breaking the Prime Directive. But realistically, in that quadrant (I always get Delta and Gamma confused), she IS Starfleet. There's no one to report to or ask advice or permission. All of these disasters as well as any triumphs (like getting home in seven years as opposed to seventy, or successfully dodging the question of Harry's potential promotions in that same period), are squarely on her. And I think it's safe to say she handled it like a champ. So when the question of who is the best Star Trek captain inevitably comes up again, it's hard not to say Janeway. Edit: And I just realized "Delta Flyer" might possibly be a clue as to the quadrant. But I still may not be smart enough to get it.
There could be a show called *Star Trek Delta* with 30 min episodes in format of independent tales showing how cultures Voyager had contact are doing. *
"Course Oblivion" absolutely gutted me. As I've grown older, the creeping realization that someday we all will be completely forgotten has become stronger. There is death, then there is oblivion. The only possible cold comfort might be that someday in the future, another Federation starship will visit the system containing the Y-class planet they tried to land on. Perhaps that future starship crew will learn of the duplicate Voyager from the race that controlled it and be able to piece together the story? Everyone deserves to be remembered and acknowledged, even if it is only for a while. When I first watched that episode, I could not hold back the tears.
The plot holes in this episode bothered me way too much, it was established that the duplicates couldn't leave the planet as they needed the planets gases to breathe, yet they still did with no mention of that, also at what point after they left the planet did they start to forget? And did it happen simultaneously to everyone because if not someone should have remembered as they were leaving. Lastly where did this duplicate ship come from? It wasn't shown to have been there when they left the first time 😕 so many questions.
I question whether the Think Tank really did cure the Phage or not. Seeing as how they are the ones that created the no win scenario that they was going to get Voyager out of, who is to say that they wasn't just saying that about the Phage?
Ok for number 9 noone likes dealing with the Malon. In Star Trek Online everyone is hostile to them as they don't care about anyone and dump their radiated plasma waste anywhere ( including the New Telaxian home world). Number 8 yeah STO picked up the scraps with this one.
Well, in defense of Voyager regarding the Malon: Janeway was willing to share tech this time so the Malon could stop dumping their waste (in inhabited space no less), but that guy was like "nah, it would end the waste disposasal industry and leave me without a job, so I'm not interested, eventhough this job cuts down my life expectancy A LOT!" So yeah, that one is not Voyager's fault.
This was an ST series close to my heart, because it's the one my non-sci-fi-fan younger brother somehow really loved for one reason and thus the only sci-fi fandom I shared with him, and I remember us joking as kids that Voyager was probably about as feared in the Delta Quadrant as the Borg because of things like this.
Here's a sobering thought: Did Voyager unwittingly make the Borg aware of the Sikarians? Perhaps during the events of Scorpion when they partially assimilated Voyager?
Given their transporter technology it was only a matter of time before the Sikaraians would encounter the borg. Voyager having encountered them before the events in Scorpion in my interpretation would have little effect. The fact that it was restricted to be used by the queen gives weight that the borg might not know enough about Sikaraian to allow for full deployment throughout the collective.
The real problem with the spacial trajector showing up in Picard is that the reason it didn't work with Voyager is that it needed their planets core to work. So it shouldnt work on a cube either.
I'm willing to do some headcanon work and say the Borg gained the spacial trajector tech and studied the hell out if it till they found a workaround to the issue of needing Sikarria's special crystalline mantel to make it work. But the workaround limits the amount of mass you can move...which would fix the issue of the tech being an escape pod alternative for Borg Queens.
I hate to even _suggest_ the idea that this could happen in such a lighthearted feel-good comedy series, but if there were any deaths of minor or major characters on LD, it would probably happen at the hands of either the Vadwaur or Peanut Hamper.
The issue with Kes in Before and After with the Krenim always bothered me, as that was them PRIOR to getting a push of 10,000 light years from her in The Gift (which was before Year of Hell). If the Krenim reached all the way that far back in Before and After, there's almost no way Annorax's wife's colony wasn't just fine. Ergo paradox.
It's funny that I recently started to have a look into Star Trek Adventures' Captains Log Solo Game and I randomly rolled a character with a Sikarian backstory and I actually had his backstory be that he was one of the last survivors of a Borg invasion of Sikaria and some groups used their transporter technology to jump into Federation space for safety... So... at least my head canon agrees here with Sean ... sad for the Sikarians though....
Didn't Harry Kim and Naomi both die in an episode, then harry and Naomi from an alternate reality or universe cross over the great divide? then Silver Blood Harry dies (granted along with all the rest..) Now that i'm thinking about it, i remember reading or maybe something on this channel where they thought they had killed off Naomis' mom, but hadn't. dang voyager always messing with the time lines
Wasn't there an episode where Tom Paris was falsely accused of murder then implanted with the last memories of the victim before his death? Living them over and over? That wasn't a good introduction.
Sean doing the interrupting commentator schtick was corny enough, but seeing Ellie roped into it is just nuts... y'all are fucking nerds and I absolutely love you for it. 🤣🤣🤣 Keep being amazing. 😄
Kess's information on the Krenim when she was affected with the chroniton radiation, got erased with the first change Annorax performed. The reason, is they did not have a temporal shielded data core on board at the time that change happened. They develop it during the next year during that fight with the Krenim.
The problem with first contact is you can control how you react but you have no control over the other side. If first contact starts with torpedo heading in your direction there might not be much you can do salvage the relationship, and even if you can, do you really want to make friends with a species that uses torpedos as means of introducing themselves?
I can only imagine the headaches that the Federation diplomats when the Federation trying to form a foreign relations with some of the species of the Delta Quadrant.
They are still a pain in the rear and a real terror for anyone used to Cloaking tactics...especially Romulan and KDF players who learn and invest heavily in tactics utilizing the cloaks...then the Vaudwar had their cloak seeking tricobalts and a lot of AoE weapons that wreck you when cloaked or shields powering back up when coming out of cloak while your ambush built ships get ripped apart.
Totally agree on that. I tried a Klingon ship while fighting them as a Klingon character, and got wrecked, since they are raiders themselves. Starfleet ships are the only way past them, in my view, and Temporal ships just wreck them in turn.@@AzraelThanatos
I understand why it's probably not on this list, since it wasn't first contact with Voyager, but Friendship One would have been on my list. It's a story of many human first contacts... Where despite the best of intentions, coming in contact with a lesser developed group ends up making things immensely worse.
Since Voyager was in an unexplored quadrant, every encounter was a First Contact. Janeway could have treated them as such or she rightfully focused on getting home. Since she encountered most of them in interplanetary space, she could rightfully assume they were warp-capable.
I never understood why Voyager was so ill prepared and seem to not know anything about the Kremin when Kes uploaded all sorts of vital intel on them into the computer.
The Vaadwuar do return in the events of Star Trek Online, where they appear as the primary antagonists of the "Delta Rising" story episode, alongside the bluegill parasites from the TNG episode "Conspiracy". Species 8472 also returns in star trek online, where they are also refered to as the Undine, they appear as an antagonistic force throughout much of STOs story.
lol one of my favourite episodes "Counterpoint" should be on a future list. Things with the Devore do not go well when she smuggles those Teeps. Blink of an Eye - While the planet eventually does come around to seeing Voyagers innocence the Tahal did try to destroy the ship first, not the best first contact. Coda - Janeway makes contact with a death entity that is basically Shang Tsung from Mortal Kombat in that he feeds off of souls. That did not end well and had Janeway hoping they were only in the delta quadrant. Btw, love to see Ellie getting in on the Federation News gig. You guys should do a team-up broadcast. :) Great video!
Voyager didnt TRY anything... you're claiming the did something nefarious on purpose; when they simply got sucked up into an internal matter for that speices and were fairly helpelss about it
And people deride James Kirk for leaving a trail of busted supercomputers and primitive firearms in his wake. The funniest one, though, was a SCE novel where one of the guards was from Iotia, from TOS A Piece of the Action, where a cultural followup team from the 'Feds' shows up and the Iotians have not only reverse-engineered the Communicator Bones lost, but the entire planet is now indistinguishable from a Starfleet base, except for remaining speech patterns, like the guard calling the female security chief "Babe" - which is not Stsrfleet protocol even in the SCE.
Never liked that The Think Tank cured The Phage when they live so far away from the Vidiians in the first place... So either it is a continuity mistake (wouldn't be the first nor the last) or they are simply lying to artificially boost their credentials as their objective was to add 7/9 to their Think Tank. Sean, you should have left your lovely counterpart present that episode since it's a Voyager centric one. As for spatial projection tech, many species seem to have it, such as the Iconians as well, not just the Sicarians or the Vadwar... although it doesn's necessarily work the same way.
voyager in the delta quadrant: effectively playing chula. 98% of delta quadrant first contact species: your species is now borg. Resistance as per usual was futile.
Love adding L.E. Fontana to the GTN... anyways Janeway was trying to do her best for crew...bit she's human and we tend to make a lot of mistakes. Add that to their alone in the delta quadrant, she did her best to keep her crew alive.
Voyager didn't have much luck at all. And somehow the ship looked immaculate (ie repaired) every episode. Part 2 of this list should contain the Kazon, the Ocampans - Voyager crew effectively kidnap Kes, the industrial planet (Workforce) where all the crew had their minds wiped, the episode with the Doctor's emitter & Da Vinci and Voyager's gear being stolen, Friendship One, Blink of an Eye...
I wish you all the best guys but I find your presentation & one liners cringe especially when segwaying sponsors, but again, I wish you all the best. Turned off at 6.11
How did the Kazon not make the list? They were like the primary bad guy species for the first 2 seasons and first contact involved Neelix attacking them during a hostage negotiation
Hey, Sean. Small slip-up in your narration about the Vaadwaar. It was Neelix who discovered the history of the Vaadwaar - referencing the meaning of the word, "foolish" from the old tongue, and various Talaxian folk tales.
honestly made no sense about the borg being succesful against artures species, he was so incredibly advanced even more so than species 8472 imo and the borg struggle against them.
just one first contact to consider: imagine you bury one of your loved ones. everything goes well, you shed some tears. then the coffin opens and harry kim climbs out of it. now that is a disaster for a first contact.
The episode that had Warship Voyager in it would have been a good pick. First contact went so well that centuries later the crew were portrayed as a murderous band of thugs.
As I understood the problem with the spatial trjector was less of a compatibillity problem but more that it needed their star as a gravitanioal source or so and if they would travel with the trajector they would loos the ability to control the course...
Call it head canon the Borg didn’t seem to make deep forays into the area of the Delta Quadrant that Voyager spent its first 2 years in, possibly due to the Nekrit Expanse. They’d encounter the odd Talaxian or Kazon but we know the Sikarians could travel 40,000 light years. So they could have transported deeper into the Delta Quadrant and that’s how the Borg assimilated the Trajector technology leaving Sikaris as we saw it. Not for nothing but the reason the trajector worked was due to the quartz mantle on Sikaris so would stand to reason that it had a limited number of possible destinations. Not so much a Iconian portal more a smaller Stargate network. Probably why we never saw them again.
Did they have a Good first contact seems like they was always taking a whooping even if the ship only shows that if it’s a plot point or just year of hell
The Voth should have been mentioned, and then the extradimensional beings the Equinox crew were converting into extra fuel for their engines. Then there was the race that hated any species that was telepathic, when the Voyager had to cross their space, forcing Voyager to hide in transporter streams the few crewmembers who were telepathic.
You should have mentioned the fact the Voyager developed a reputation of being a ship of death. Remember that species they saved from the Cardassian dreadnaught torpedo?
What I loved the most about Voyager and their first contacts is how they are by chance, not Starfleet scheduled design. It gave them the ability to bring in deadly foes they never would have chosen to meet making the Delta Quadrant often feel like Australia on Earth, something lurking around every corner wanting to kill you.
This video features some of the "AI enhanced" Voyager episodes I've seen online. Honestly, the edges of peoples faces looks "off" - everyone looks more like a changeling than human. I am surprised that paramount hasn't updated DS9 and Voyager to HD. I'm aware that they lost money doing a "proper HD" update to TNG, however, I know that there are ways to make the picture better but not the "Odohansed" version!
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The Vadwaar arc in STO was really engaging.
I didn't know Tony Todd was a Hirogen. "Be my victim" indeed!
The Varduar were such a missed ooportunity.
they are used in the Star Trek Online game very well, tho.
Hey, do you guys remember that time that the writers forgot that the Vi'idians even existed for 4 seasons and then they just hand wave it away with a line from George Costanza?
Cheers from the Pacific West Coast of Canda.
That is a good point. Why didnt the borg use the sikarians tech to send a load of cubes to earth in an instant? Oh ye reasons.
Sikarus deserved it’s spot. Awkward indeed. The Devore are also near the top
I was so ready for species 8472 to be the bad guys in the 3rd season of Picard haha
You got the first it was nelixx who recognized who the vadwaar are and Seven was the reason they were awaken so it is seven fault that they were realsed to cause terror on the delta quadrant again
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#10 That episode "Course: Oblivion" has the BEST flyby sequence in all of Star Trek. When the real Voyager is is at max warp tying to get in range of the doomed crew, something about how the camera angle is a skew, how fast Voyager flys by, and the camera isn't keeping pace with Voyager. It's one of the only times in all of Trek I've ever felt that the ship in question is actually pushing it's limits based on the visual alone. Normally this is told out with a narrative, but in that 4 second shot, I can see it, and I feel it.
I would like to see a list of similar flybly shots.
Voyager really just left a trail of dead bodies in her wake. I wonder how the eventual second contact with a lot of those races went; can't have been pretty.
mariner will solve that.
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@@robertheinrich2994Mariner and her mother have their work cut out for them, then!
I blame the human members of the crew - such a violent race has no place in Starfleet
We do great about some of them later, we hear that Picard encountered the herogen for example
Well, if you play Star Trek Online, in the Delta Rising expansion, you DO end up meeting the Vaadwaur yet again, and they are most definitely not happy to see Voyager or any of its crew.
And beefed up by the Iconians.
Voyage had some fascinating aliens. Would love to see the Vaadwaar and species 8427 return. The reveal of the Sikkarians transport in Picard, was a shocking turn of events. I assumed they had fallen in their confident smugness to the Borg.
The Vaadwar was one of my favorite species the Voyager crew met. I'd love for them to return
Janeway by sticking to laws of Starfleet and Prime Directive brought more pain and suffering than if she would follow her morals and reason.
Nice homage to DC Fontana. Hope and Fear was one of my favorite Star Trek episodes because it felt with the consequences of the crews actions. In TOS and TNG we never really saw the results of the heroes choices and this just seemed brilliant to me. Just like I love how Lower Decks is going back and checking on Landru, Brecca and Ornara.
TOS: Space Seed > Wrath of Khan, Search for Spock, Voyage Home and The Undiscovered Country
TNG: Q Who > All Borg episodes & DS9 || Journey's End > All Maquis episodes from TNG penultimate episode and DS9 & Voyager || Sins of the Father > All Worf dishonored episodes
DS9: Way of the Warriors > All Worf theme episode & the conflict between the Federation and Klingons until By Inferno's Light.
Maybe you should do a video about Janeway's crimes, the choices she made that would have got her removed from command, demoted, or imprisoned if there weren't extreme circumstances, like Kirk stealing the Enterprise got him demoted, but if Janeway did the same in the Delta Quadrant, the brass would just say good job getting your crew home, here is an Admiral rank
sounds more like a video topic for Steve Shives 😂
I've been of the opinion that, thanks to Mulgrews comments about Janeway, a lot of her issues are due to having a mental issue that may have been exacerbated by other things along the way, but the treatment isn't one that can be easily replicated or at all, meaning that she's across the galaxy and her mental state degrades rather quickly, perhaps a cure is found in the time they're gone or she's just back on her meds for later appearances post Voyager's return...or it's something that future Admiral Janeway gave her to fix it.
I also, kind of, think that her Admiral rank is also a way to put her out of the way. I believe she was present during Borg Encounter, in charge of that research station as an Admiral while Voyager was being worked on, which would work since Seven was supposedly there as well and the entire Borg thing with it that she might have a clue about her future self's anti-Borg virus.
Not sure of the timeline, but I think that information she might have had about things could be why Picard and the Enterprise was ordered to stay away from the Borg attack in First Contact, thinking of what happened with regard to Seven with the Queen fucking with her head there...
Janeway followed Starfleet directives, so any culpability lies with their shortcomings. She wasn't a war criminal like Sisko, she tried to get her crew home with Starfleet rules.
The reason it was forgiven was because of the situation, yes in the Alpha quadrant things work different, there is an entire fleet and safe harbor not far away so easy to hold accountable and expect behaviors.
You can't exactly expect 100% following those same rules by a ship that has zero support, back up or safe harbor. Its why it was forgiven for the rules that were broken because strict aderhance to the rules in that situation would be the pinical of stupidity and how you get yourself killed.
Rules are fine and dandy when not in a survival situation.
Plus for the vast majority of the time she did follow starfleet rules but we've seen before the rules are not black and white and habe been bent and broken many times without issues. Starfleet clearly undergrads rules are not black and white.
What amazes me is how many species Voyager helped save from their own shortcomings. The Borg, the Hirogen, Species 8472 and even the Kazon benefited from Voyager's meddling in the end...
Janeway along with the Borg waged biological warefare on Species 8472.
there was that water planet that Paris did somethign so bad on, he got demoted for it.
or the planet that in the past, received a "Friendship 1" probe from Earth, and ended up using it's technology to unintentionally destroy themselves. The Voyager crew found the wreckage later on.
The Water Planet one is kind of a mess since it's one where Voyager involved itself in what was, essentially an internal dispute that would have killed the civilization...someone on the other side convinced Tom to help and fix the problem...and that's what got Tom in trouble on Voyager.
It was basically Voyager only talking to one side in a Civil War, which is revealed during how Tom conveys the events in the letter he's writing to his father...sure, they weren't giving arms, but they were only talking to one side which IS getting involved by giving more legitimacy to them...and to make things worse, it was the other side that actually turned out to be correct there because the conflict was due to one side not believing that the machinery that kept the water spheres together and functioning was breaking down and needed repairs, the side Janeway was talking to was, essentially, claiming that nothing was wrong and that going there was, essentially, heresy...
It was a really fucked up situation...
For the Friendship 1 probe, that's more of a Second Contact after a disaster coming from a first contact...and got Kerry killed over it
Thumbs up for L. E. Fontana alone. And for my own sake, that's all I'm going to say on that.
A Voyager-centric video without Ellie on lead... I'm calling shenanigans.
I found the demon planet clone Voyager endlessly fascinating, and no less so because no one but we the viewers ever knew they existed.
This video is another in the long list of examples of why Janeway had it the hardest of all Star Trek captains. We like to joke (or some of us do) that it's Tuesday, Janeway must be breaking the Prime Directive. But realistically, in that quadrant (I always get Delta and Gamma confused), she IS Starfleet. There's no one to report to or ask advice or permission. All of these disasters as well as any triumphs (like getting home in seven years as opposed to seventy, or successfully dodging the question of Harry's potential promotions in that same period), are squarely on her. And I think it's safe to say she handled it like a champ. So when the question of who is the best Star Trek captain inevitably comes up again, it's hard not to say Janeway.
Edit: And I just realized "Delta Flyer" might possibly be a clue as to the quadrant. But I still may not be smart enough to get it.
There could be a show called *Star Trek Delta* with 30 min episodes in format of independent tales showing how cultures Voyager had contact are doing. *
"Course Oblivion" absolutely gutted me. As I've grown older, the creeping realization that someday we all will be completely forgotten has become stronger. There is death, then there is oblivion. The only possible cold comfort might be that someday in the future, another Federation starship will visit the system containing the Y-class planet they tried to land on. Perhaps that future starship crew will learn of the duplicate Voyager from the race that controlled it and be able to piece together the story? Everyone deserves to be remembered and acknowledged, even if it is only for a while. When I first watched that episode, I could not hold back the tears.
Till this day, I could never finish that episode I just hate seeing Janeway die I think she’s had the most deaths than any other captain
The plot holes in this episode bothered me way too much, it was established that the duplicates couldn't leave the planet as they needed the planets gases to breathe, yet they still did with no mention of that, also at what point after they left the planet did they start to forget? And did it happen simultaneously to everyone because if not someone should have remembered as they were leaving. Lastly where did this duplicate ship come from? It wasn't shown to have been there when they left the first time 😕 so many questions.
No one will be remembered on a long enough time scale. It’s just reality
In the Voyager episode "Phage", Tuvok should have said "Live lung and prosper" to Neelix.
I question whether the Think Tank really did cure the Phage or not. Seeing as how they are the ones that created the no win scenario that they was going to get Voyager out of, who is to say that they wasn't just saying that about the Phage?
Ok for number 9 noone likes dealing with the Malon. In Star Trek Online everyone is hostile to them as they don't care about anyone and dump their radiated plasma waste anywhere ( including the New Telaxian home world). Number 8 yeah STO picked up the scraps with this one.
Well, in defense of Voyager regarding the Malon: Janeway was willing to share tech this time so the Malon could stop dumping their waste (in inhabited space no less), but that guy was like "nah, it would end the waste disposasal industry and leave me without a job, so I'm not interested, eventhough this job cuts down my life expectancy A LOT!"
So yeah, that one is not Voyager's fault.
This was an ST series close to my heart, because it's the one my non-sci-fi-fan younger brother somehow really loved for one reason and thus the only sci-fi fandom I shared with him, and I remember us joking as kids that Voyager was probably about as feared in the Delta Quadrant as the Borg because of things like this.
Here's a sobering thought: Did Voyager unwittingly make the Borg aware of the Sikarians? Perhaps during the events of Scorpion when they partially assimilated Voyager?
Given their transporter technology it was only a matter of time before the Sikaraians would encounter the borg. Voyager having encountered them before the events in Scorpion in my interpretation would have little effect. The fact that it was restricted to be used by the queen gives weight that the borg might not know enough about Sikaraian to allow for full deployment throughout the collective.
It could also have happened during Unimatrix Zero as Tuvok's mind was overtaken by the Borg Collective.
And the Onega molecule aliens
The real problem with the spacial trajector showing up in Picard is that the reason it didn't work with Voyager is that it needed their planets core to work. So it shouldnt work on a cube either.
I'm willing to do some headcanon work and say the Borg gained the spacial trajector tech and studied the hell out if it till they found a workaround to the issue of needing Sikarria's special crystalline mantel to make it work. But the workaround limits the amount of mass you can move...which would fix the issue of the tech being an escape pod alternative for Borg Queens.
Ellie's ad read makes me think she'd be great as a reporter in a Batman movie.
now I want the vadvaur to have second contact with our beloved second contact ship, the cerritos.
I hate to even _suggest_ the idea that this could happen in such a lighthearted feel-good comedy series, but if there were any deaths of minor or major characters on LD, it would probably happen at the hands of either the Vadwaur or Peanut Hamper.
@@Popcultureguy3000 Technically some LD characters did already die. They just didn't stay dead.
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The issue with Kes in Before and After with the Krenim always bothered me, as that was them PRIOR to getting a push of 10,000 light years from her in The Gift (which was before Year of Hell). If the Krenim reached all the way that far back in Before and After, there's almost no way Annorax's wife's colony wasn't just fine. Ergo paradox.
It's funny that I recently started to have a look into Star Trek Adventures' Captains Log Solo Game and I randomly rolled a character with a Sikarian backstory and I actually had his backstory be that he was one of the last survivors of a Borg invasion of Sikaria and some groups used their transporter technology to jump into Federation space for safety... So... at least my head canon agrees here with Sean ... sad for the Sikarians though....
I just got 4 ads coming to see this video.:.I think I'm about to never use mobile UA-cam ever again
Didn't Harry Kim and Naomi both die in an episode, then harry and Naomi from an alternate reality or universe cross over the great divide? then Silver Blood Harry dies (granted along with all the rest..) Now that i'm thinking about it, i remember reading or maybe something on this channel where they thought they had killed off Naomis' mom, but hadn't. dang voyager always messing with the time lines
Let's just say, don't send the Cerritos for second contact duty in the Delta quadrant....... :P
Wasn't there an episode where Tom Paris was falsely accused of murder then implanted with the last memories of the victim before his death? Living them over and over? That wasn't a good introduction.
"Bull mastiff"? I think Voyager would be more of a doberman. Lean, strong, deadly.
Every time I saw the Vidian I just keep think of the live organ donation sketch from monty python's meaning of life
I thought it was Neelix researching Talaxian legends and folktales that figured out what the Vaadwaar were, not Seven and the Borg data base.
Janeway had no time for First Contact! Just get in, get out and leave others to pick up the pieces... 😂
Sean doing the interrupting commentator schtick was corny enough, but seeing Ellie roped into it is just nuts... y'all are fucking nerds and I absolutely love you for it. 🤣🤣🤣 Keep being amazing. 😄
Dude.. Volume check on your ad space.. Headphone warning at 5:46
The Voth and the species that killed telepaths are not going to exactly have fond memories of the Federation when second contact comes around
Kess's information on the Krenim when she was affected with the chroniton radiation, got erased with the first change Annorax performed.
The reason, is they did not have a temporal shielded data core on board at the time that change happened. They develop it during the next year during that fight with the Krenim.
The problem with first contact is you can control how you react but you have no control over the other side. If first contact starts with torpedo heading in your direction there might not be much you can do salvage the relationship, and even if you can, do you really want to make friends with a species that uses torpedos as means of introducing themselves?
I agree that cup of coffee would be much better mean of introduction than a raging torpedo.
That’s the universal greeting when communications are down
I can only imagine the headaches that the Federation diplomats when the Federation trying to form a foreign relations with some of the species of the Delta Quadrant.
I really liked the vaudwar arc in sto. I was active when the delta rising expansion dropped, the vaudwar were back and they were scarry.
They are still a pain in the rear and a real terror for anyone used to Cloaking tactics...especially Romulan and KDF players who learn and invest heavily in tactics utilizing the cloaks...then the Vaudwar had their cloak seeking tricobalts and a lot of AoE weapons that wreck you when cloaked or shields powering back up when coming out of cloak while your ambush built ships get ripped apart.
Totally agree on that. I tried a Klingon ship while fighting them as a Klingon character, and got wrecked, since they are raiders themselves.
Starfleet ships are the only way past them, in my view, and Temporal ships just wreck them in turn.@@AzraelThanatos
I understand why it's probably not on this list, since it wasn't first contact with Voyager, but Friendship One would have been on my list. It's a story of many human first contacts... Where despite the best of intentions, coming in contact with a lesser developed group ends up making things immensely worse.
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I really anticipate 50 Warcrimes did by Insaneway.
Since Voyager was in an unexplored quadrant, every encounter was a First Contact. Janeway could have treated them as such or she rightfully focused on getting home. Since she encountered most of them in interplanetary space, she could rightfully assume they were warp-capable.
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I wonder how long Nelix had with Kess's rapidly aging transplanted lung. Did the Videans solve that too?
Well, last time I've seen him on STO, he was doing just fine. lol
I think the Kazon should be on the list.
not every faction of Kazon was rabidly hostile, remember there were like 8 of them, normally warring amongst themselves
Extinct species 😄
I never understood why Voyager was so ill prepared and seem to not know anything about the Kremin when Kes uploaded all sorts of vital intel on them into the computer.
Thank you! That many plot points for Year of Hell was present from Kes was invaluable and ignored.
Oh. So the Dauntless that Janeway had in Prodigy is a different ship. Got it
That's the problem with these episodes where you see a bit of the future. They start giving later shows funny ideas
The Vaadwuar do return in the events of Star Trek Online, where they appear as the primary antagonists of the "Delta Rising" story episode, alongside the bluegill parasites from the TNG episode "Conspiracy".
Species 8472 also returns in star trek online, where they are also refered to as the Undine, they appear as an antagonistic force throughout much of STOs story.
lol one of my favourite episodes "Counterpoint" should be on a future list. Things with the Devore do not go well when she smuggles those Teeps.
Blink of an Eye - While the planet eventually does come around to seeing Voyagers innocence the Tahal did try to destroy the ship first, not the best first contact.
Coda - Janeway makes contact with a death entity that is basically Shang Tsung from Mortal Kombat in that he feeds off of souls. That did not end well and had Janeway hoping they were only in the delta quadrant.
Btw, love to see Ellie getting in on the Federation News gig. You guys should do a team-up broadcast. :) Great video!
Nice mustach man it suits you 🤣🤣
I keep wondering about the Voth.. I mean voyager tried destroying their own belief system.
Voyager didnt TRY anything... you're claiming the did something nefarious on purpose; when they simply got sucked up into an internal matter for that speices and were fairly helpelss about it
ah yes, our beloved dinosaurs....
And people deride James Kirk for leaving a trail of busted supercomputers and primitive firearms in his wake.
The funniest one, though, was a SCE novel where one of the guards was from Iotia, from TOS A Piece of the Action, where a cultural followup team from the 'Feds' shows up and the Iotians have not only reverse-engineered the Communicator Bones lost, but the entire planet is now indistinguishable from a Starfleet base, except for remaining speech patterns, like the guard calling the female security chief "Babe" - which is not Stsrfleet protocol even in the SCE.
We definitely saw the Vaadwaur again in Star Trek Online -- and they THOROUGHLY wrecked my shit with their cluster torpedoes at every opportunity....
Never liked that The Think Tank cured The Phage when they live so far away from the Vidiians in the first place... So either it is a continuity mistake (wouldn't be the first nor the last) or they are simply lying to artificially boost their credentials as their objective was to add 7/9 to their Think Tank.
Sean, you should have left your lovely counterpart present that episode since it's a Voyager centric one.
As for spatial projection tech, many species seem to have it, such as the Iconians as well, not just the Sicarians or the Vadwar... although it doesn's necessarily work the same way.
Maybe I've heard the answer to this question before, but why don't we dump our garbage into space? There's infinite ... ... space...
That ad was just the worst.
What a boring video! I’m grateful that my new hero L. E. Fontana came to save the day just when I was about to fall sleep… 😜
voyager in the delta quadrant: effectively playing chula.
98% of delta quadrant first contact species: your species is now borg. Resistance as per usual was futile.
Love adding L.E. Fontana to the GTN... anyways Janeway was trying to do her best for crew...bit she's human and we tend to make a lot of mistakes. Add that to their alone in the delta quadrant, she did her best to keep her crew alive.
Voyager didn't have much luck at all. And somehow the ship looked immaculate (ie repaired) every episode. Part 2 of this list should contain the Kazon, the Ocampans - Voyager crew effectively kidnap Kes, the industrial planet (Workforce) where all the crew had their minds wiped, the episode with the Doctor's emitter & Da Vinci and Voyager's gear being stolen, Friendship One, Blink of an Eye...
I wish you all the best guys but I find your presentation & one liners cringe especially when segwaying sponsors, but again, I wish you all the best. Turned off at 6.11
Not every first contact we'll go accordingly. Unfortunately disaster will happen.
How did the Kazon not make the list? They were like the primary bad guy species for the first 2 seasons and first contact involved Neelix attacking them during a hostage negotiation
Hey, Sean. Small slip-up in your narration about the Vaadwaar. It was Neelix who discovered the history of the Vaadwaar - referencing the meaning of the word, "foolish" from the old tongue, and various Talaxian folk tales.
Starfleet should have kept this in mind before very suspiciouly *accidently* stranding voyager lol
honestly made no sense about the borg being succesful against artures species, he was so incredibly advanced even more so than species 8472 imo and the borg struggle against them.
They really should do a follow up to Dragons Teeth in Dicovery. The Vaadwaur could have been expanding for hundreds of years and still hold a grudge.
does TrekCulture have a PO box? I'd like to send Sean a gift :)
Video idea. Best and worst moments from each of the 13 Star Trek Movies. 1 long video or 2 separate, either or we'll work
The Silver Blood: My favorite aspect was that Harry Kim was the first copy made and the last copy to die. Such a bittersweet poetic aspect
just one first contact to consider:
imagine you bury one of your loved ones. everything goes well, you shed some tears.
then the coffin opens and harry kim climbs out of it.
now that is a disaster for a first contact.
They should have called the episode The Phage, Nelix's Lungs. Lung and Lung, What is Lung!
The episode that had Warship Voyager in it would have been a good pick.
First contact went so well that centuries later the crew were portrayed as a murderous band of thugs.
The q directive episode species should be mentioned as well. Bad timing for a species survival to meet Voyager when they did.
As I understood the problem with the spatial trjector was less of a compatibillity problem but more that it needed their star as a gravitanioal source or so and if they would travel with the trajector they would loos the ability to control the course...
Poor Ellie. It's not nice to do that to a little child.
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11:28 is t this a simular episode to Tuvix?
Janeway has to choose to kill someone in order to save her crew member. She let the unknown Vediin go.
but why does Ellie look like fire in that costume lol. I love working the add into a GTN skit.
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Call it head canon the Borg didn’t seem to make deep forays into the area of the Delta Quadrant that Voyager spent its first 2 years in, possibly due to the Nekrit Expanse. They’d encounter the odd Talaxian or Kazon but we know the Sikarians could travel 40,000 light years. So they could have transported deeper into the Delta Quadrant and that’s how the Borg assimilated the Trajector technology leaving Sikaris as we saw it. Not for nothing but the reason the trajector worked was due to the quartz mantle on Sikaris so would stand to reason that it had a limited number of possible destinations. Not so much a Iconian portal more a smaller Stargate network. Probably why we never saw them again.
Oh I'm sure they found assimilation most pleasurable 😂😂😂
What is the proper name for those ! Hinges ? that lift the Warp ~ Nacells , very sorry about the spelling
Did they have a Good first contact seems like they was always taking a whooping even if the ship only shows that if it’s a plot point or just year of hell
The Voth should have been mentioned, and then the extradimensional beings the Equinox crew were converting into extra fuel for their engines. Then there was the race that hated any species that was telepathic, when the Voyager had to cross their space, forcing Voyager to hide in transporter streams the few crewmembers who were telepathic.
Voyager was just shite...........................a steaming pile of rancid crap
Great overacting, Ellie. Shatner would be proud.
That Squarespace advert was hilarious, Ellie! 😂
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You realize we now need more content from L.E. Fontana (Good DC ref there btw)