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Freddy..bro..YOU KEEP ON DOING YOU! SCREW THE NAYSAYERS! SCREW THE HOITY TOITY BRITT! FOLLOW YOUR VISION FULL STEAM AHEAD I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE YOUR FINAL VISION!
Freddy, I'm 💯 behind you on this! I got hooked on UA-cam because of you! Richard is not a visionary nor a mechanic so he can just bug off. Take your beast of a car over there and make him eat his words!
I think you're both right Freddy and Richard. Hybrid drive in a car completely changes the nature of the car, in that it smooths out the starting/stopping process, the slow driving and the transient moments between slow and fast driving or slow on/off throttle driving. If you drive a hybrid Camry vs. a conventional Camry, the conventional feels kind of archaic in the way it starts up and transitions between slow and fast driving, with the engine always connected to the wheels. In a hybrid, the engine is only connected when needed so in other transient moments, the smooth electric motor does the work seamlessly. By removing the hybrid system you have taken that ability away, which does change the 'all-round' nature of the car into more of a one-track minded performance car. You are both right, it's just that Freddy has a specific goal in mind.
BEFORE you let Richard drive it. Please do your speed run, break the records, take photo's and video, pick up your dry cleaning, let Ed drive it, stop by Hoovies, drop your Meemaw off at the airport with it and once your tired of the car THEN you can let Hammond drive it. His track record with super fast cars is sketchy at best!
Tavarish is a young man with vision, knowledge and lots of passion for cars. As far as I know he is the only person who dares to restore and modify a salt water damaged McLaren in the entire world. This alone takes so much courage. Who knows, maybe in 10-15 years Tavarish Mc Larens will be the thing like what is AMG to Mercedes.
Everyone agrees but it was too hard to and since then Tavarish has been lobbying to convince people this was a choice and not him conceding. This was never the plan until it was and now its the worlds most expensive flood damaged 650s.
British viewer here!. It's an age thing Freddy, take Mr Armstrong, repairs cars and improves them, but the older British generation will only restore, taking a vehicle back to its original state. It will happen to all of us in the UK as we get older 🤣 You keep doing you
Bullshit, I'm in my late 50s and still modifying the cars I drive. So are most of my friends of z similar age. Well done in joining the septics in stereotyping people from the UK, even if you do live here 🙄
@@sacredgeometry you are delusional if you think everything from the factory is what's best, there's been million of examples where people have greatly improved what the manufacturer DIDN'T want to do or didn't execute correctly.
I remember, as I’m sure you do, when you first announced your plan for ditching the hybrid system. The comments were overwhelmingly negative and in line with exactly what Richard was saying in this video. However you have really changed your viewers minds because the comments now are overwhelmingly positive. Your car, your choice. Car culture requires diversity of tastes to continue evolving.
Im from the UK and about Hammonds age and i'm all for what you're doing to the P1. You got a car that should've been scrap and brought it back to life, it's never going to be original after all that damage.
I'm a patriot, but I'm willing to think outside of the box. I love the designs of McLaren, but there's a lot of things that can be improved. I mean their F1 team is running Mercedes engines. Do better. Have some guts. Freddy is 'just' some UA-camr and taking on challenges and evolving.
Hammond is correct, it won’t be a P1. McLaren took a piece of economy technology and weaponised it to maximise acceleration, it’s a core if not the defining part of the character of the car. Watch Chris Harris review of the P1. However Freddy is also correct to do what he is doing in making a P1+++, spending 300-400k to repair the hybrid system would be nuts. I would do exactly what Freddy’s doing with one exception I wouldn’t call it a GTR since they actually exist maybe the P1 RSR or do a Pagani and call it the P1 FH (see Zonda LH for those that don’t know)
I totally agree with you, but we will both probably get F**ked over for it. I honestly don't care what he does to the car. He paid for it he can do what he wants. There are a billion videos of this stuff out there already. Just don't try to BS me after and tell me you created the fastest McLaren P1. Because then anybody after this guy can just come along and stuff more engine in it and say the same thing. Honestly who really cares?
@@boneseyyl1060 That's just how it works, dipshit, are you new to the car world? Nobody cares that the fastest Honda Civic doesn't have a factory engine inside of it, it's the fastest Civic, and you can cry about it until the day you meet Jesus. Nobody has ever cared, nobody ever will. Fieros have a problem catching on fire because of the exhaust, if you fix that problem, is it no longer a Fiero? If you put a new exhaust on your Charger and slap a supercharger on it, is it not a Charger? You and the other negative Nancys are reaching so far for the absolute bottom of the barrel argument that logically makes 0 sense, you just keep rinsing and repeating the same shit with different words when you're being countered by legitimate point after legitimate point. Repeat yourself until you run out of oxygen, you're still wrong. Use as many synonyms as you can think of, still wrong.
In the beginning of the build I was on Richard's side. I was pretty upset you didn't put in an improved battery. I thought you ruined it. I thought it was sacrilege. Then I reluctantly continued watching the build and the more I watched it, the more I liked your idea even better than a restoration. I don't think ANYONE would've thought of doing something like this, not even McLaren skunkworks, that's why its so brilliant. Its also why I think the build is getting so much attention. I really hope you break the 250 mph mark, at that point, considering the time and effort you've put into the car, you've earned the right to gloat just a little bit with an I told you so.
@@DominicRuiz23 A Toyota with a K swap is still a Toyota, the absolute fuck are you rambling about? They stuffed an ICE engine in a Tesla, guess what, it's literally still a Tesla. Cope.
No lie, I hated the idea at first. The reason the P1 is held in such high regard is that it's basically the OG halo hybrid supercar. It's a piece of history. I understand exactly what Richard was saying, and to some extent, I agree. I really wanted to see this build be an 11/10th hybrid. something different than the normal. You've gotten me coming around to the idea. you're not restoring it, you're doing a resto-mod. But that's okay. The flood ruined the car, and _anyone_ else who bought the car was not going to respect it like you are. It's going to be an amazing piece of engineering when you're done with it. It is still quite boring though and I just skip to the highlights. It's just any other modded super car at this point. Like you said, it's just another Mclaren but a one off. I don't hate it, but i also don't really care anymore. You cleaned the flood and the soul out, and are breathing life into your own creation. It is still a halo project for any car guy and my only criticism is the content around the project. It's getting long in the tooth at this point
I understand everything you've said, and I agree with most of it. My only critique would be that this project will inevitably take a long amount of time. His team had to rebuild the entire wiring loom from scratch, for Christ's sake. There's no way he could have built this car within a year with the team that he has, let alone 6-8 months like some people have suggested. I'd prefer a somewhat regular spread of uploads throughout the year that update us on the progress he's made rather than having two or three videos per year.
@CaseyCollier I came across poorly, I was more referring to the content itself, 1h+ runtime and it gets really into the weeds sometimes. It works for Rob Dahm because he's either doing something completely wild or new. I guess I'm not invested in everything tedious in supercar rebuild #67. There's nothing different than his last rebuild. Everything he's doing could be done on any other McLaren. He's going to give us an hour episode on what leather he's deciding between at this rate
Uh... no, most car people I know in NA feel the same way Richard does, no matter what you get RichRebuilds to say. We NA car guys may love modding and changing over here, but when something is THIS rare, this REVERED, it comes down to RESPECT or lack thereof. It's taking an icon and stripping it of everything that made it that unique icon in the first place. Now it's a generic McLaren frame with an engine that could run in ANY McLaren, and even the BODY is AFTERMARKET. What's P1 about it that's still left, the VIN plate and the lights? Sure, it's probably going to be the BEST McLaren on the planet. Absolutely a project to be proud of. Just... not a "P1". Sorry.
8:23 I like how he can say all these other things are the reason it is the P1 yet for some reason the literal hybrid system isn"t? Did it not contribute to all those things that you just said? What makes it lesser than those things you said? Bro is just picking and choosing what makes it the P1 when the WHOLE thing as a WHOLE makes it the P1, hybrid system included. As Jay Leno once said (in this video) - "The thing that MAKES it a P1 is the HYBRID SYSTEM (23:43)"
Richards point is that the electric motor works with the turbo to provide a seamless fat torque from almost 0 rev. To throw that away means you get nothing and then a sudden big surge of torque. Yes i know, turbo tech has since jumps hoops and can provide almost instant torque and big power at the top. But almost is never the same as instantaneous and that get worst with bigger turbo. Maybe the extra bump in the CC will help covers it and match the EV fat torque. Dont know till it's built and tested to see if it has the same savagery and fear the moment you punch the throttle. But of course EV will not help if Tavarish main objective is to break that 250mph, Brute HP will help and that is where he is heading i suppose. At the end of the day, It's his car, he can dem well slam and camber it to the moon if the wants to (which he is resurrecting back a P1 that is already lost, so no gain no lost).
Yep, spot on, I imagine the power delivery and experience will be very different, which is where Hammond is coming from. I think he does raise some 'logical' points to be fair, but what Freddie is doing isn't logical, it's going to be a unique miracle when that car gets back on the road. Is it going to be as 'special' as a mint OEM P1, no, probably not, but it'll be special in its own way. I wonder if there were other considerations, such as the cost/difficulty of obtaining and fitting a new hybrid drive train?
...no. because it sits on a P1 chassis which is unique to the P1 and a suspension which is unique to the P1. Its the same difference between a factory tt supra and a built single turbo supra for example. You would still call it a supra. And besides, as he has already explained, the motor did not provide that much to the driving experience, a lot of it was placebo. @@ChrisParayno
Don't let Richard's comment get to you. People who own P1 wouldn't DARE to modify it like yours. Your P1 is gonna be really special. I love things when its unique and one of a kind.
5:09 I have to agree with Hammond. It's no longer a P1 when you take away a huge identifying feature such as the hybrid system. Even Jay Leno basically asserted to this here 23:43 That's fine, it's your car, you can do what you want with it for views and to save money. But it's not a P1 anymore. And as far as seeing McLaren doesn't know how to build a reliable engine, let's not go there with the rods, you had a modified engine with that 675LT that was overboosted. McLaren may have trouble with trim pieces, body panels, and electronics, but, their engines are pretty stout when left alone. I've owned five, experience just about every problem under the sun with the cars, but the engines just don't blow up like that. Nearly every instance of a McLaren engine blowing up on UA-cam has been due to the owner modifying things or letting the oil get dangerously low. You want to build a 1000hp motor and put it into a McLaren body, that's great. But reliability is going to go down even further the more you boost it, regardless of what you do to it, because it's not just the engine you have to fortify. It's the entire drivetrain, and it wasn't designed for what you're doing.
I agree. Not with having the experience with McLaren engines, wish I had that. The masterpiece that is the P1 includes it's drivetrain for sure, it's the wizardry that McLaren did with the car that made it an instant legend. What Freddy is doing is possibly also legendary, but to say that you're building a 11/10th McLaren or the McLaren the engineers really wanted to build by taking out the wizardry that makes it a legend, is a bit too much. Him not calling it a P1, but P1 evo sorta suits me. It's his car, his project, his evo, I enjoy watching it and I praise him for taking on such a challenge. But it is his project, not that of the original engineers, not with the same goals but I love watching what he does.
He basically couldn't afford a true restoration route so he went to modified instead into something else altogether but he just can't accept the fact that the only P1 thing left is proably just the shell and the monocoque
I am guessing that you don't know the reason why he decided to that route. It's because the electric part of the powertrain is pointless to due to being expensive, outdated, unnecessary weight and not as efficient as the Porsche and Lafarrari.
@@mykchancyhe addressed that in the video if you watched it, saying that he could have if he wanted to. But besides that you are spending 100k and waiting a year for your battery that has known issues and gives you not a whole lot, especially by modern standards. And the comment on the monocoque and shell, you could say that about every mclaren. It's not like that's a small difference.
Jay CLEARLY affirms that "The thing that MAKES it a P1 is the HYBRID SYSTEM (23:43)". Jay responded by affirming that it's OK to alter or change or personalize a car. But, by NO means did he say anything that supports your assertion that you're going to be achieving your goals with a genuine P1.
Yep. Freddie is going to die on that hill saying it's a P1. It's no longer got the trick hybrid torquefill setup, it's no longer got the trick suspension.. It's enough to say that Hammond is correct.. It's gonna be a great project when it's done.. But it's not a P1.
@@AyaxRo Exactly, that's all Hammond is saying. He's saying, fantastic McLaren, just don't claim these records you're breaking are from having used a P1.
Jay basically voices an opinion similar to Hammond but was incredibly polite about it. It’s modern f1 tech in a road car. Anyone with money and time can build an engine and throw turbos on it. Not everyone’s capable of weaponizing a hybrid.
It's has a vin, it has a title, it has mostly McLaren parts so it must be a P1. Does a Lamborghini Aventador with a FI exhaust and a wide body kit make it not a Lamborghini Aventador?
There is one person who thinks making a P1 into a modified 650s is a good idea and that is the person who found out actually restoring the P1 was too hard. I was going to say if Richard can't bring some sense to you no one can. But the issue is that if you would you could, and now its a flood damaged 650s with gold stickers. You're going to prove no one wrong T, I'm sorry. Get the most high tech batteries you can, do what everyone wants you to do, and even if you don't succeed at least you tried unlike this "throw in the towel-P1"
Freddy, I’d be shaking too, if I ever met anyone from the OG Top Gear crew.. Richard is a bit of a purist, and appears he lacks the vision of forward thinking in ways to improve upon an original design. Your concept to eliminate the hybrid system, is NOT wrong.. You have a vision, a plan, and a concept that very well could make the greatest “McLaren” to ever exist… Chase your dream brother! 💪 You are an inspiration to ALL gear heads!!! 🙌 Old School - vs - New School..
Sounds a bit like the whole Ship of Theseus philosophical question... albeit, that one is more about restoration than changing, but it's along the same lines. Anyway, I'd likely make this argument, "Whenever someone says 'fastest ', they're rarely talking about a stock car, as they've almost always done some sort of modification to it."
I watched Hammond's video on Freddie's P1 and had the same reaction as Freddie almost to a word. I loved the chat with Leno about McLarens and cars in general. He likes Freddie because Freddie is a real car guy just like him. Jay also loves to work on cars and is not afraid to make and "Evo" version with new Willwood brakes replacing death trap drums on a vintage car. In 2002 I lived in Boston working as a VP in a tiny software startup. One of the VC/board members drove an F1. So every month when there was a board meeting there would be the F1 just parked in our parking lot next to my Nissan Maxima. Another angle investor / CTO was a 911 guy. He would rag on the guy for buying such a stupid car. He thought it was just pretentious having 3 seats. I wonder what he thinks now that it is worth 20M.
Hammond is right that it's not a P1 anymore, in the same way a Lanzante P1 LM is not really a P1. That's not a bad thing, it's a just a different thing
I know exactly what Hammond said and it is like this. “Imagine that you have a spaghetti to cook with a italian friend, you take the spaghetti and broke it in half to fit it better into the pot. Now, you’re friend saw you and he got angry for what you did. End of story, it is always a spaghetti broke in half to have better access into the pot but it remain a spaghetti but has a broken tradition in it. The taste is spaghetti but doesn’t have it’s traditional way anymore. You’re car is the same, it is a Mclaren P1 having all the upgrades in it, but not a traditional one anymore that has it’s own kind of values “not just in money” but it’s old soul having a different and new one. Is it bad or good? Depends to the perspective of the person. In a way that your the one who done it and not those in the mclaren this kind of upgrade will take it a little different more. Because if they done it, hammond may say nothing about it. Because it is always a different story if the real manufacturer done it. Pagani’s Zondas 760rs example. On my opinion, your project P1 is dope💪😊 God Bless bro
Great car, great project, great dream. I can see both points, and I have to side you you Freddie, here in the UK we can take, say a MG, Triumph Spitfire, mini or any other car and transplant the heart of the car (engine) but we still call it what ever it started as. Also on a side note didn’t Richard say he took an Aston Martin on a trip in the grand tour, by his statements he didn’t as he modified it, improved it, way more than you are doing to your P1. Anyways thank you for your content and thank you for visiting the UK and including us in your shows, a lot of other UA-camrs forget that there are a good percentage of other countries who watch them.
I’m a Brit and I love what you’re doing. Richard Hammond is a bit old now and is into restoring classic cars. He’s never been one to modify or improve them.
Sorry, but you're wrong. The hybrid drive assembly plays a much more significant role than you appear to understand in the P1. It's far more than just a few miles on EV. You're basically treating it like a kit car.
yep, pick an angle and let rip. I think Freddy is being a little bit sensitive - unless he is just playing in to the pantomime of the roast, but I sense that he is not. Shame really, it is a great project and so much kudos and respect
When the biggest car guy agrees with the comments that tavarish and his friends got mad at for saying ditching the hybrid system was bad. Also Jay Leno says "The thing that MAKES it a P1 is the HYBRID SYSTEM (23:43)"
Exactly. A guy who owns 4 McLarens including the P1 and the F1 says the hybrid system makes it a P1, and a guy who's driven most hypercars out there says the same thing, Tarvish's opinion is greatly outgunned. I'm sure his car will be a beautiful, fast, P1 shaped car, but it will lack what makes a P1, a P1: the hybrid system (according to both Jay Leno and Richard Hammond. People who know).
Hammond isn’t gonna let you live this down 😂😂 But real talk, he wouldn’t care about it if he didn’t roast it (though he’d never say it lol). The fact it appeared in one of his videos as a highly anticipated project car shows that you have his attention is a good way 👍🏾
Your first comment was right about it being a UK/USA thing, Here in the UK, we can admire the engineering ambition behind what your doing, and if you listen carefully I think you'll see that, in a Brit way, Richard is doing so. Over here however, with a few exceptions, we see major concept modifications to a "Classic" car almost as sacrilege. Even just a few tweaks to a spec can attract criticism as our tendency is to put a premium on "Originality", warts and all. For example, we might be entertained on TV by a Chip Foose creation, and admire his design flair and skill, but he'd struggle to make a living over here. Commercially, what you're doing could possibly knock 75%+ off the car's value in our market, no matter how successful you are in achieving your goal. You know your market though, and whilst you don't intend to sell, I don't think you'd want to devalue the car. So I guess you're probably right for the USA, and Richard's right for the UK. I bet he'd love to have the opportunity to drive it, but it won't change his view😀
If you had taken a perfect P1 and modified it I would be on Hammond's side, it's a rare thing and should not be modified. But yours was beyond saving so doing what you are to it is absolutely fine and gives it a second life.
Lol, even Jay said what makes it a P1 was the hybrid system. Yeah, your project is not a P1 anymore. A cool McLaren project but not a P1 anymore. Would ppl call a Mustang with a K24 Turbo or 2JZ a Mustang? No, no they wouldn't.
Clear misunderstanding here, culture difference is plain to see. Richard isn't serious and let's be honest he doesn't care what you do with the car. The video is bait as it was designed to be and taking it literally is a bit over the top.
Huh? Richard's opinion that this "isn't a p1" is pretty clear. Sure there's some theater, but that doesn't change his position and the fact that it was that position he decided to publicly push.
@fj06carnone exactly my point, he will say what he has to say to get a reaction and clearly has. Do you think he has an actual thought about his project or cares? He's following a script that was planned and it's comical it's been taken literally. Look at some of the comments almost sympathising with freddy like he's been roasted, It's laughable. What I don't like is this video has gained some unfavourable comments and made people give Richard a bit of hate for literally making a soft trigger video.
It’s a Battery Swap (out) P1. Tbh without the hybrid drivetrain it is indeed different than standard P1s. It’s more like a heavily modified vehicle or powertrain swapped car. However there is nothing wrong with it
I‘m mostly on your side Freddy, but what Mr. Hammond said has a lot of truth in it. Example: Get an old VW Scirocco and „improve“ the old combustion drivetrain with one out of a Rimac. Do you now have the fastest Scirocco? Perhaps. But ist it still an Scirocco ?!? I think, technically, if its still the same chassis number you can call it so. Its that british to save all the history and that american thing to slap a more than overpowered V8 in everything weldable, I guess. :-D Personally I think that the soul of a car is in its engineering and its history. So in my eyes Richard is totally right. (But I’m looking curious to this project and more than respect and recognition for what you are capable of achieving with this car)
I love the project and I'm super excited to see it completed. But there's a difference between a restoration and modification. They are two very different visions. And it's not "being British" that dictates it. There's plenty of guys who mod in the UK. But there is a difference between putting a wrap and adjustable springs on a car and changing the engine, the loom, the body and a key element of the drivetrain that makes it stand out from any other car on the road. You advertised the P1 initially as a restoration. Understandably that changed. It's a cool new vision and we're excited to see how it goes. I do however think Hammonds comments are fair. It's no longer a P1. Only McLaren can decide what constitutes a P1 (just like only an American can decide what the US constitution should say 😝) That's not because they were trying to hold back in any way. They just sat in a design room with a vision. The choices they made created a unique car and should be respected. It's what makes a P1 a P1 and an Enzo an Enzo. This in no way disrespects what you're doing Freddie. It's awesome and I love it. ❤
If the batteries degrade in a P1, how much do the batteries need to degrade before it is not a P1 any longer? This is a fascinating question that delves into the philosophy of identity! When does a modified object cease to be itself? Ultimately, it's a matter of degree and interpretation. There's a spectrum of modification, and at some point, the changes become so significant that the car transcends its original identity and becomes something new. Here are some factors to consider regarding a McLaren P1: 1. The Core Identity: -- Chassis/Monocoque: The carbon fiber monocoque is the P1's backbone. -- Engine: The P1's hybrid powertrain, with its twin-turbo V8 and electric motor, is fundamental to its identity. Swapping this for a different system would be a major change. -- Aerodynamics: The P1's active aero is a defining feature. Radically altering the aerodynamic profile could change its essence. 2. Degree of Modification: -- Cosmetic Changes: New paint, wheels, or interior trim generally wouldn't change the car's fundamental identity. -- Performance Upgrades: Tuning the engine, upgrading brakes, or adding aftermarket aero parts could enhance performance without fundamentally changing the car. -- Major Component Swaps: Replacing the engine, transmission, or significantly altering the chassis would blur the lines of its identity. 3. Intent and Recognition: -- Builder's Intent: What does the modifier intend to create? Is he aiming to improve the P1 or build something entirely new? -- Community Recognition: How does the car community perceive the modified vehicle? Is it still seen as a P1, or is it now a custom creation? Examples (My Opinion): P1 or Not P1 - that is the question -- New paint and wheels: Still a P1. -- Upgraded turbochargers and exhaust: Likely still a P1, but a modified one. -- Eliminating the hybrid powertrain but keeping the original V8: no wrong answer -- Replacing the engine with a V12: Probably no longer a P1 in the purest sense. -- Turning it into a convertible: Definitely not a P1 anymore.
Love the project but personally I don't really see it as P1 anymore, I see it more indeed like LS swapping a Ferrari, it is not an Ferrari anymore - an engine is the heart of a car and if you change that, you change the car. It is a P1 shaped object. But that definitely doesn't lessen the coolness of the project. ❤
I mean, I do get Richard's point here about the fundamentals being changed. James May has also done the reactions too, and he also typically likes originally restored cars, and not modified ones. I do think it maybe a generational thing with Brits. Where it goes back to that one US special that the trio did, where they tried drag racing locals at an event held by police, and they all got annihilated at the track by custom cars, but had the mentality of "Well yeah, we lost, but their cars will break down the next time they try to do something like that." Even Matt LeBlanc brought it up during his interview with Clarkson at one point, when he visited (prior to hosting). That there are those of us that like the customize and personalize our vehicles to help make it different than just every other car on the road.
I’m of the opinion, that it won’t be a P1 when finished, it will be much Much MUCH better! I’d rather watch you make it better, than fix it back to original!
You have to remember 2 things. 1 - Hammond is old, stuck in his ways and primarily deals with classic cars. 2 - Hammond gets other people to do all the work on his cars so he's achieved very little in this area. He is just a car critic.
Man I feel like I can listen to you and Jay Leno talk about cars for many hours. Haha I noticed Freddie’s brief “holy shit!” reaction when Jay friggin Leno said “oh ya I saw that…” meaning THE JAY LENO is watching your videos. That must be an amazing feeling.
I don’t recall anyone slating the Audi Quattro or Peugeot 250 when they tuned them for rallying! They were world beaters. You crack on Freddie, can’t wait to you finish and reveal the P1 Evo, Hammy will eat his words👍
Fastest in a straight line? Or fastest around a track? Europe and USA have different philosophies to define a fast car. Love this series. Can't wait to see the result.
To me, it will always be Freddy's yellow submarine. It's the McLaren U-boat. If Freddy starts dating a 304, he should change his name to Joel Goodson. But above all that, we all can't wait to see it run and be complete.
Freddy, its just Hammonds opinion, and yes we love the trio and their opinions but everyones is different. I am on your side on this, i love this idea, making an already unique car even more unique. Plus it's YOUR car 😂. And yes he had to think of 'bad' things to say about your car because it was a roast. He struggled to roast a Subaru in the same video and we all know how much he loves a Subaru😂
Here's my 2 cents worth..... You were the 'only?' one to have the guts to take on this restoration. By now this car would be a pile of aluminium and copper oxide in the wrong hands. There's every chance the hybrid system wouldn't of worked either in the short or long term so the idea of removing and simplifying the car makes the most sense. It works well to do what it does...just not after being submerged and from a sustainability perspective, we've seen just how short the battery life is and how expensive it is to replace them. I wonder if McLaren could have used super capacitors to achieve the same outcome?? Yes, a P1 is a P1 because of the sum total of its parts but what your are keeping is 85-90% of what makes it brilliant. That is the chassis, suspension, brakes and the engine which we have all seen as not being able to handle it's own power because of the toothpick con rods. It's going to be a car that will remind people why the F1 was so good and why this 'P1 Evo' follows more accurately in its footsteps.
I think this project is VERY cool, Im a subscriber and Ill watch every video, buuuttttt....... Hes not wrong in the comments he made. You are not restoring with the "Hybrid assist" which makes it the P1 McLaren designed, you are actually Hot Rodding a P1 chassis. Its cool either way, but Hammond is not wrong. Dont let this get you puffed up, its awesome hes even talking about it and its not something I would have made a big deal about. The continuous push back could be negative. An internet video battle is very unnecesary especially with Richard Hammond, one of the 3 most legendary car journalist/reviewers "IN THE WORLD". Just build the car you want to build, its your car. We will watch
Its a McLaren, sure... But what makes it a P1 is the hybrid driveline and a few cosmetic parts... Like, by your own admission, the engine is out of a 720, the harness is customised but based on the 720, the adaptive suspension is (AFAIK) a standard on all McLaren's, etc etc... Its a 'Ship of Theseus' type argument.... How much can one change, before it stops being that thing... An example: You buy a Roush Mustang, and then change wheels&tires, suspension, supercharger, tuning, exhaust, built manowar longblock, transmission, rear diff&axles, a BBK... Is it still a Roush? By title, sure... In practicality? Not even remotely...
sorry freddy, but Hammond is correct, it is no longer a P1. another way to look at it is comparing it to a gaming PC, you can have a nice case, but the inside components define how it works, if you start switching CPU's, PS, motherboard ETC, you essentially change what it used to be. You cannot change from AMD to Intel and still call it an AMD computer. Also, McLaren probably spend a couple billion in R&D to make the car what it is, typical american way of thinking is that making it go faster=better. Just look at the american cars, yes they may be faster in a straight line, but they arent better than Euros. in reality american cars, and built poorly, with cheap chinese plastics. W for Hammond on this one.
I see this as a positive. Firstly Richard Hammond is talking about your car. Secondly for me personally when someone says something negative about something I am trying to do or achieve, all it does is give me exponentially more drive to achieve my goal to prove them wrong! Modifying a car to make it faster by removing non essential components has pretty much been going on forever! At the end of the day purists will be purists, you do you man! I for one and I am pretty certain I speak for most people who watch your channel, can't wait to see this P1 done! it's going to be legendary!
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Yes Hammond you crash 💥a £2.000.000 Rimac
Freddy..bro..YOU KEEP ON DOING YOU! SCREW THE NAYSAYERS! SCREW THE HOITY TOITY BRITT! FOLLOW YOUR VISION FULL STEAM AHEAD I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE YOUR FINAL VISION!
Freddy, I'm 💯 behind you on this! I got hooked on UA-cam because of you! Richard is not a visionary nor a mechanic so he can just bug off. Take your beast of a car over there and make him eat his words!
Every American is with you Freddy don't worry about those yellow teeth English midget people
Cant wait to see Richard drive the P1 when finished but remember he does have a tendency to crash them too.
Yes, don't let him drive it, you don't want to be the third charm in his crash series
That’s the real reason Freddy removed the hybrid system, Richard has a bad record with anything electricity-related (much like the British as a whole)
😅😅😅😅😅
I wouldnt let him anywhere near it!
"or It could be worst."
I think you're both right Freddy and Richard. Hybrid drive in a car completely changes the nature of the car, in that it smooths out the starting/stopping process, the slow driving and the transient moments between slow and fast driving or slow on/off throttle driving. If you drive a hybrid Camry vs. a conventional Camry, the conventional feels kind of archaic in the way it starts up and transitions between slow and fast driving, with the engine always connected to the wheels. In a hybrid, the engine is only connected when needed so in other transient moments, the smooth electric motor does the work seamlessly. By removing the hybrid system you have taken that ability away, which does change the 'all-round' nature of the car into more of a one-track minded performance car. You are both right, it's just that Freddy has a specific goal in mind.
BEFORE you let Richard drive it. Please do your speed run, break the records, take photo's and video, pick up your dry cleaning, let Ed drive it, stop by Hoovies, drop your Meemaw off at the airport with it and once your tired of the car THEN you can let Hammond drive it. His track record with super fast cars is sketchy at best!
Yeah, stop by Hoovies so you can drive his Veyron.
At 6.5 They're too tall to drive the veyron
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Tavarish is a young man with vision, knowledge and lots of passion for cars. As far as I know he is the only person who dares to restore and modify a salt water damaged McLaren in the entire world. This alone takes so much courage.
Who knows, maybe in 10-15 years Tavarish Mc Larens will be the thing like what is AMG to Mercedes.
Do not let him drive it he will crash it 😂😂😂😂😂😂
so will I probably
jay leno crashing the car that you took a year, or two, to build is just awesome content.....and a reason to rebuild it to compete with bugatti 😅
Hammond will need a booster seat to see over the wheel before he wrecks the P1 ⛳
@@2varish I'm honestly concerned about Ben Collins driving it
@@Keiferdrives trust me, freddie has a lot more worry than you do ab it
Ben has driven much much more dangerous things
Even jay leno disagreed with him and said the drive system is the essence of a P1. Basically agreeing with Hammond that it's not a P1 without it!!!
Everyone agrees but it was too hard to and since then Tavarish has been lobbying to convince people this was a choice and not him conceding. This was never the plan until it was and now its the worlds most expensive flood damaged 650s.
what a shocker mr i want my cars as plain as vanilla and mr crash it all richard disagrees on what someone elses car should be.
If you build a 1400hp Supra, it's still a Supra.
@@legoboom5480 Comparing apples with oranges. The P1 is a clever hybrid being made dumber.
British viewer here!. It's an age thing Freddy, take Mr Armstrong, repairs cars and improves them, but the older British generation will only restore, taking a vehicle back to its original state. It will happen to all of us in the UK as we get older 🤣
You keep doing you
It's called maturing. It's realising that you wont do a better job that some of the worlds best at it.
Bullshit, I'm in my late 50s and still modifying the cars I drive. So are most of my friends of z similar age.
Well done in joining the septics in stereotyping people from the UK, even if you do live here 🙄
British viewer here also. Hes right, the older generation just want to restore.
@@sacredgeometry you are delusional if you think everything from the factory is what's best, there's been million of examples where people have greatly improved what the manufacturer DIDN'T want to do or didn't execute correctly.
@sacredgeometry Some of the "Worlds best" turn overly complex junk on a daily basis and that's a fact.
I remember, as I’m sure you do, when you first announced your plan for ditching the hybrid system. The comments were overwhelmingly negative and in line with exactly what Richard was saying in this video. However you have really changed your viewers minds because the comments now are overwhelmingly positive.
Your car, your choice. Car culture requires diversity of tastes to continue evolving.
Im from the UK and about Hammonds age and i'm all for what you're doing to the P1. You got a car that should've been scrap and brought it back to life, it's never going to be original after all that damage.
I approve too 💪 make something different and special 😍
I'm building a V12 supercar 😎
I'm a patriot, but I'm willing to think outside of the box. I love the designs of McLaren, but there's a lot of things that can be improved. I mean their F1 team is running Mercedes engines. Do better. Have some guts. Freddy is 'just' some UA-camr and taking on challenges and evolving.
Hammond is a jealous little cunt. He can have an opinion but being Rude to Freddie isn't necessary
That 100hp with all the weight not worth it.
@@GF-mf7ml this .
Hammond is correct, it won’t be a P1. McLaren took a piece of economy technology and weaponised it to maximise acceleration, it’s a core if not the defining part of the character of the car. Watch Chris Harris review of the P1.
However Freddy is also correct to do what he is doing in making a P1+++, spending 300-400k to repair the hybrid system would be nuts. I would do exactly what Freddy’s doing with one exception I wouldn’t call it a GTR since they actually exist maybe the P1 RSR or do a Pagani and call it the P1 FH (see Zonda LH for those that don’t know)
À la Volkswagen's new beetle. Call it the New P1
I totally agree with you, but we will both probably get F**ked over for it. I honestly don't care what he does to the car. He paid for it he can do what he wants. There are a billion videos of this stuff out there already.
Just don't try to BS me after and tell me you created the fastest McLaren P1. Because then anybody after this guy can just come along and stuff more engine in it and say the same thing. Honestly who really cares?
@@missingremote4388 or do a La Ferrari and call it “The P1”
It's the p1 evo lol
@@boneseyyl1060 That's just how it works, dipshit, are you new to the car world? Nobody cares that the fastest Honda Civic doesn't have a factory engine inside of it, it's the fastest Civic, and you can cry about it until the day you meet Jesus. Nobody has ever cared, nobody ever will.
Fieros have a problem catching on fire because of the exhaust, if you fix that problem, is it no longer a Fiero? If you put a new exhaust on your Charger and slap a supercharger on it, is it not a Charger?
You and the other negative Nancys are reaching so far for the absolute bottom of the barrel argument that logically makes 0 sense, you just keep rinsing and repeating the same shit with different words when you're being countered by legitimate point after legitimate point. Repeat yourself until you run out of oxygen, you're still wrong. Use as many synonyms as you can think of, still wrong.
Lol poor freddy imagine having your idol shit all over your idea😢 i think hes wrong too i cant wait to see this car smash the speed record
In the beginning of the build I was on Richard's side. I was pretty upset you didn't put in an improved battery. I thought you ruined it. I thought it was sacrilege. Then I reluctantly continued watching the build and the more I watched it, the more I liked your idea even better than a restoration. I don't think ANYONE would've thought of doing something like this, not even McLaren skunkworks, that's why its so brilliant. Its also why I think the build is getting so much attention. I really hope you break the 250 mph mark, at that point, considering the time and effort you've put into the car, you've earned the right to gloat just a little bit with an I told you so.
It's YOUR car and it was the best option. Keep that ICE beefy!!
It was still a great purchase 😍
Its going to be epic 💪
Best option doesn’t mean it is better than the hybrid system
@@josephwilliams4709 Even if it's lighter and more powerful?
Maybe we don't say high water mark around this car. 😂❤ 9:11
Technically, it’s a P1 legally, as long as the firewall and VIN are intact.
Build a cool P1. It’s your car, it was going to be parts.
Enjoy it!
yea lets put a Toyota prius engine in it and call it the P1!!!
@@DominicRuiz23let's put a wrap on it and stop calling it a P1 🤡🤡.
P FOR pirus
Anyone who says modify a car makes it no longer that car clearly forgets that titles and vins exist.
@@DominicRuiz23 A Toyota with a K swap is still a Toyota, the absolute fuck are you rambling about? They stuffed an ICE engine in a Tesla, guess what, it's literally still a Tesla. Cope.
No lie, I hated the idea at first. The reason the P1 is held in such high regard is that it's basically the OG halo hybrid supercar. It's a piece of history. I understand exactly what Richard was saying, and to some extent, I agree. I really wanted to see this build be an 11/10th hybrid. something different than the normal.
You've gotten me coming around to the idea.
you're not restoring it, you're doing a resto-mod. But that's okay. The flood ruined the car, and _anyone_ else who bought the car was not going to respect it like you are. It's going to be an amazing piece of engineering when you're done with it.
It is still quite boring though and I just skip to the highlights. It's just any other modded super car at this point. Like you said, it's just another Mclaren but a one off. I don't hate it, but i also don't really care anymore. You cleaned the flood and the soul out, and are breathing life into your own creation.
It is still a halo project for any car guy and my only criticism is the content around the project. It's getting long in the tooth at this point
I understand everything you've said, and I agree with most of it. My only critique would be that this project will inevitably take a long amount of time. His team had to rebuild the entire wiring loom from scratch, for Christ's sake. There's no way he could have built this car within a year with the team that he has, let alone 6-8 months like some people have suggested. I'd prefer a somewhat regular spread of uploads throughout the year that update us on the progress he's made rather than having two or three videos per year.
@CaseyCollier I came across poorly, I was more referring to the content itself, 1h+ runtime and it gets really into the weeds sometimes. It works for Rob Dahm because he's either doing something completely wild or new.
I guess I'm not invested in everything tedious in supercar rebuild #67. There's nothing different than his last rebuild. Everything he's doing could be done on any other McLaren. He's going to give us an hour episode on what leather he's deciding between at this rate
It’s not a P1 Mclaren, it will be a Tavarish Mclaren
McLarish
McVarish
Tavaren P1?.
23:52 JL: "The thing that made it the P1 was the hybrid system". I think Freddy has an up-hill battle convincing Hammond otherwise.
Oh this will be fun. I always like Richard Hammond, thought we lost him when he wrecked that Rimac… that was bad…
i'll spare you the wait. he's not in this video
Uh... no, most car people I know in NA feel the same way Richard does, no matter what you get RichRebuilds to say. We NA car guys may love modding and changing over here, but when something is THIS rare, this REVERED, it comes down to RESPECT or lack thereof. It's taking an icon and stripping it of everything that made it that unique icon in the first place. Now it's a generic McLaren frame with an engine that could run in ANY McLaren, and even the BODY is AFTERMARKET. What's P1 about it that's still left, the VIN plate and the lights?
Sure, it's probably going to be the BEST McLaren on the planet. Absolutely a project to be proud of. Just... not a "P1". Sorry.
Hate to tell you Tavarish, but those thumbnails are what you always look like to all of us :-)
8:23 I like how he can say all these other things are the reason it is the P1 yet for some reason the literal hybrid system isn"t? Did it not contribute to all those things that you just said? What makes it lesser than those things you said? Bro is just picking and choosing what makes it the P1 when the WHOLE thing as a WHOLE makes it the P1, hybrid system included. As Jay Leno once said (in this video) - "The thing that MAKES it a P1 is the HYBRID SYSTEM (23:43)"
Spot on
Richards point is that the electric motor works with the turbo to provide a seamless fat torque from almost 0 rev. To throw that away means you get nothing and then a sudden big surge of torque. Yes i know, turbo tech has since jumps hoops and can provide almost instant torque and big power at the top. But almost is never the same as instantaneous and that get worst with bigger turbo. Maybe the extra bump in the CC will help covers it and match the EV fat torque. Dont know till it's built and tested to see if it has the same savagery and fear the moment you punch the throttle.
But of course EV will not help if Tavarish main objective is to break that 250mph, Brute HP will help and that is where he is heading i suppose. At the end of the day, It's his car, he can dem well slam and camber it to the moon if the wants to (which he is resurrecting back a P1 that is already lost, so no gain no lost).
Yep, spot on, I imagine the power delivery and experience will be very different, which is where Hammond is coming from. I think he does raise some 'logical' points to be fair, but what Freddie is doing isn't logical, it's going to be a unique miracle when that car gets back on the road. Is it going to be as 'special' as a mint OEM P1, no, probably not, but it'll be special in its own way. I wonder if there were other considerations, such as the cost/difficulty of obtaining and fitting a new hybrid drive train?
Just throw anti lag at it.
To also Richards point, this is no longer a "P1". It literally is just a 650/675 what ever you wanna call it "base" McLarens.
...no. because it sits on a P1 chassis which is unique to the P1 and a suspension which is unique to the P1. Its the same difference between a factory tt supra and a built single turbo supra for example. You would still call it a supra. And besides, as he has already explained, the motor did not provide that much to the driving experience, a lot of it was placebo. @@ChrisParayno
Don't let Richard's comment get to you. People who own P1 wouldn't DARE to modify it like yours. Your P1 is gonna be really special. I love things when its unique and one of a kind.
True players monetize their haters. Well played, Freddy. Well played.
It's like that meme of a guy wiping tears with money. We all know were that money is going
5:09 I have to agree with Hammond. It's no longer a P1 when you take away a huge identifying feature such as the hybrid system. Even Jay Leno basically asserted to this here 23:43 That's fine, it's your car, you can do what you want with it for views and to save money. But it's not a P1 anymore. And as far as seeing McLaren doesn't know how to build a reliable engine, let's not go there with the rods, you had a modified engine with that 675LT that was overboosted. McLaren may have trouble with trim pieces, body panels, and electronics, but, their engines are pretty stout when left alone. I've owned five, experience just about every problem under the sun with the cars, but the engines just don't blow up like that. Nearly every instance of a McLaren engine blowing up on UA-cam has been due to the owner modifying things or letting the oil get dangerously low. You want to build a 1000hp motor and put it into a McLaren body, that's great. But reliability is going to go down even further the more you boost it, regardless of what you do to it, because it's not just the engine you have to fortify. It's the entire drivetrain, and it wasn't designed for what you're doing.
Yah, it's a cool Freddie project but it's not a p1 anymore than a monster truck is a Ford pickup truck
I agree. Not with having the experience with McLaren engines, wish I had that. The masterpiece that is the P1 includes it's drivetrain for sure, it's the wizardry that McLaren did with the car that made it an instant legend. What Freddy is doing is possibly also legendary, but to say that you're building a 11/10th McLaren or the McLaren the engineers really wanted to build by taking out the wizardry that makes it a legend, is a bit too much. Him not calling it a P1, but P1 evo sorta suits me. It's his car, his project, his evo, I enjoy watching it and I praise him for taking on such a challenge. But it is his project, not that of the original engineers, not with the same goals but I love watching what he does.
He basically couldn't afford a true restoration route so he went to modified instead into something else altogether but he just can't accept the fact that the only P1 thing left is proably just the shell and the monocoque
I am guessing that you don't know the reason why he decided to that route. It's because the electric part of the powertrain is pointless to due to being expensive, outdated, unnecessary weight and not as efficient as the Porsche and Lafarrari.
@@mykchancyhe addressed that in the video if you watched it, saying that he could have if he wanted to. But besides that you are spending 100k and waiting a year for your battery that has known issues and gives you not a whole lot, especially by modern standards. And the comment on the monocoque and shell, you could say that about every mclaren. It's not like that's a small difference.
Jay CLEARLY affirms that "The thing that MAKES it a P1 is the HYBRID SYSTEM (23:43)". Jay responded by affirming that it's OK to alter or change or personalize a car. But, by NO means did he say anything that supports your assertion that you're going to be achieving your goals with a genuine P1.
Yep. Freddie is going to die on that hill saying it's a P1. It's no longer got the trick hybrid torquefill setup, it's no longer got the trick suspension.. It's enough to say that Hammond is correct.. It's gonna be a great project when it's done.. But it's not a P1.
@@AyaxRo Exactly, that's all Hammond is saying. He's saying, fantastic McLaren, just don't claim these records you're breaking are from having used a P1.
@@AyaxRo, the suspension stays the same, what are you on about?
Jay basically voices an opinion similar to Hammond but was incredibly polite about it. It’s modern f1 tech in a road car. Anyone with money and time can build an engine and throw turbos on it. Not everyone’s capable of weaponizing a hybrid.
It's has a vin, it has a title, it has mostly McLaren parts so it must be a P1. Does a Lamborghini Aventador with a FI exhaust and a wide body kit make it not a Lamborghini Aventador?
There is one person who thinks making a P1 into a modified 650s is a good idea and that is the person who found out actually restoring the P1 was too hard. I was going to say if Richard can't bring some sense to you no one can. But the issue is that if you would you could, and now its a flood damaged 650s with gold stickers. You're going to prove no one wrong T, I'm sorry. Get the most high tech batteries you can, do what everyone wants you to do, and even if you don't succeed at least you tried unlike this "throw in the towel-P1"
“high water mark” 8:34 😂 pun intended?
Did not go unnoticed😂
Was gonna make the same comment lol
Freddy, I’d be shaking too, if I ever met anyone from the OG Top Gear crew.. Richard is a bit of a purist, and appears he lacks the vision of forward thinking in ways to improve upon an original design. Your concept to eliminate the hybrid system, is NOT wrong.. You have a vision, a plan, and a concept that very well could make the greatest “McLaren” to ever exist…
Chase your dream brother! 💪 You are an inspiration to ALL gear heads!!! 🙌
Old School - vs - New School..
1:17 "Touch me Richard" 🤣🤣🤣
Sounds a bit like the whole Ship of Theseus philosophical question... albeit, that one is more about restoration than changing, but it's along the same lines. Anyway, I'd likely make this argument, "Whenever someone says 'fastest ', they're rarely talking about a stock car, as they've almost always done some sort of modification to it."
Ignore Richard. He is just scared of any hypercars that make big power…
I can't say much, I sailed my McLaren off a hill on camera at a pretty incredible rate of speed. I'd say we're pretty evenly matched.
Yeah he crashes them.
Scared? What are you on about.
@@andrewnevermind4902
He is prone to crashing them.
Scared? What are you on about.
I watched Hammond's video on Freddie's P1 and had the same reaction as Freddie almost to a word.
I loved the chat with Leno about McLarens and cars in general. He likes Freddie because Freddie is a real car guy just like him. Jay also loves to work on cars and is not afraid to make and "Evo" version with new Willwood brakes replacing death trap drums on a vintage car.
In 2002 I lived in Boston working as a VP in a tiny software startup. One of the VC/board members drove an F1. So every month when there was a board meeting there would be the F1 just parked in our parking lot next to my Nissan Maxima. Another angle investor / CTO was a 911 guy. He would rag on the guy for buying such a stupid car. He thought it was just pretentious having 3 seats. I wonder what he thinks now that it is worth 20M.
I hope Jay Leno is feeling better after his excursion down a 20m drop. He's a different shade atm. Hilux tough it seems.
Freddy Tavarish can justify it as much as he wants, without the hybrid assist IT'S NOT A P1.
Its a cool build just not a P1.
Hammond is right that it's not a P1 anymore, in the same way a Lanzante P1 LM is not really a P1. That's not a bad thing, it's a just a different thing
I know exactly what Hammond said and it is like this. “Imagine that you have a spaghetti to cook with a italian friend, you take the spaghetti and broke it in half to fit it better into the pot. Now, you’re friend saw you and he got angry for what you did. End of story, it is always a spaghetti broke in half to have better access into the pot but it remain a spaghetti but has a broken tradition in it. The taste is spaghetti but doesn’t have it’s traditional way anymore. You’re car is the same, it is a Mclaren P1 having all the upgrades in it, but not a traditional one anymore that has it’s own kind of values “not just in money” but it’s old soul having a different and new one. Is it bad or good? Depends to the perspective of the person. In a way that your the one who done it and not those in the mclaren this kind of upgrade will take it a little different more. Because if they done it, hammond may say nothing about it. Because it is always a different story if the real manufacturer done it. Pagani’s Zondas 760rs example. On my opinion, your project P1 is dope💪😊 God Bless bro
Glad to the the Godfather of Car Collections on the show, Thanks Jay❤. Get better soon!!!
Great car, great project, great dream. I can see both points, and I have to side you you Freddie, here in the UK we can take, say a MG, Triumph Spitfire, mini or any other car and transplant the heart of the car (engine) but we still call it what ever it started as. Also on a side note didn’t Richard say he took an Aston Martin on a trip in the grand tour, by his statements he didn’t as he modified it, improved it, way more than you are doing to your P1. Anyways thank you for your content and thank you for visiting the UK and including us in your shows, a lot of other UA-camrs forget that there are a good percentage of other countries who watch them.
I’m a Brit and I love what you’re doing. Richard Hammond is a bit old now and is into restoring classic cars. He’s never been one to modify or improve them.
Sorry, but you're wrong. The hybrid drive assembly plays a much more significant role than you appear to understand in the P1. It's far more than just a few miles on EV. You're basically treating it like a kit car.
This is called a “roast” for a reason. Most of their roasts are way too nice. The whole point is to be negative…
yep, pick an angle and let rip. I think Freddy is being a little bit sensitive - unless he is just playing in to the pantomime of the roast, but I sense that he is not.
Shame really, it is a great project and so much kudos and respect
When the biggest car guy agrees with the comments that tavarish and his friends got mad at for saying ditching the hybrid system was bad. Also Jay Leno says "The thing that MAKES it a P1 is the HYBRID SYSTEM (23:43)"
Exactly. A guy who owns 4 McLarens including the P1 and the F1 says the hybrid system makes it a P1, and a guy who's driven most hypercars out there says the same thing, Tarvish's opinion is greatly outgunned. I'm sure his car will be a beautiful, fast, P1 shaped car, but it will lack what makes a P1, a P1: the hybrid system (according to both Jay Leno and Richard Hammond. People who know).
my subaru has hybrid system i should probobly call it p1 too since thats what defines two million $ car, a fk outdated microwave.
Hammond isn’t gonna let you live this down 😂😂
But real talk, he wouldn’t care about it if he didn’t roast it (though he’d never say it lol). The fact it appeared in one of his videos as a highly anticipated project car shows that you have his attention is a good way 👍🏾
True. The fact that he knows so much about what Freddie is doing with his P1 means that Hammond is probably following the build.
Your first comment was right about it being a UK/USA thing, Here in the UK, we can admire the engineering ambition behind what your doing, and if you listen carefully I think you'll see that, in a Brit way, Richard is doing so. Over here however, with a few exceptions, we see major concept modifications to a "Classic" car almost as sacrilege. Even just a few tweaks to a spec can attract criticism as our tendency is to put a premium on "Originality", warts and all. For example, we might be entertained on TV by a Chip Foose creation, and admire his design flair and skill, but he'd struggle to make a living over here. Commercially, what you're doing could possibly knock 75%+ off the car's value in our market, no matter how successful you are in achieving your goal. You know your market though, and whilst you don't intend to sell, I don't think you'd want to devalue the car. So I guess you're probably right for the USA, and Richard's right for the UK. I bet he'd love to have the opportunity to drive it, but it won't change his view😀
If you had taken a perfect P1 and modified it I would be on Hammond's side, it's a rare thing and should not be modified. But yours was beyond saving so doing what you are to it is absolutely fine and gives it a second life.
Lol, even Jay said what makes it a P1 was the hybrid system. Yeah, your project is not a P1 anymore. A cool McLaren project but not a P1 anymore. Would ppl call a Mustang with a K24 Turbo or 2JZ a Mustang? No, no they wouldn't.
Clear misunderstanding here, culture difference is plain to see. Richard isn't serious and let's be honest he doesn't care what you do with the car. The video is bait as it was designed to be and taking it literally is a bit over the top.
Spot on - we are a weird bunch us Brits 😂 -shhh dont tell anyone but I actually respect your opinion more than his these days 👍
Huh? Richard's opinion that this "isn't a p1" is pretty clear. Sure there's some theater, but that doesn't change his position and the fact that it was that position he decided to publicly push.
@fj06carnone exactly my point, he will say what he has to say to get a reaction and clearly has. Do you think he has an actual thought about his project or cares? He's following a script that was planned and it's comical it's been taken literally. Look at some of the comments almost sympathising with freddy like he's been roasted, It's laughable. What I don't like is this video has gained some unfavourable comments and made people give Richard a bit of hate for literally making a soft trigger video.
It’s a Battery Swap (out) P1.
Tbh without the hybrid drivetrain it is indeed different than standard P1s. It’s more like a heavily modified vehicle or powertrain swapped car. However there is nothing wrong with it
Don't let him drive it. It most likely will end up crashed and him in the hospital .
I‘m mostly on your side Freddy, but what Mr. Hammond said has a lot of truth in it.
Example: Get an old VW Scirocco and „improve“ the old combustion drivetrain with one out of a Rimac. Do you now have the fastest Scirocco? Perhaps. But ist it still an Scirocco ?!?
I think, technically, if its still the same chassis number you can call it so. Its that british to save all the history and that american thing to slap a more than overpowered V8 in everything weldable, I guess. :-D
Personally I think that the soul of a car is in its engineering and its history. So in my eyes Richard is totally right. (But I’m looking curious to this project and more than respect and recognition for what you are capable of achieving with this car)
Richard is only doing this for his views. Keep it up Freddy
I love the project and I'm super excited to see it completed.
But there's a difference between a restoration and modification. They are two very different visions. And it's not "being British" that dictates it. There's plenty of guys who mod in the UK. But there is a difference between putting a wrap and adjustable springs on a car and changing the engine, the loom, the body and a key element of the drivetrain that makes it stand out from any other car on the road.
You advertised the P1 initially as a restoration. Understandably that changed. It's a cool new vision and we're excited to see how it goes. I do however think Hammonds comments are fair. It's no longer a P1. Only McLaren can decide what constitutes a P1 (just like only an American can decide what the US constitution should say 😝) That's not because they were trying to hold back in any way. They just sat in a design room with a vision. The choices they made created a unique car and should be respected. It's what makes a P1 a P1 and an Enzo an Enzo.
This in no way disrespects what you're doing Freddie. It's awesome and I love it. ❤
It's a mclaren chassis, mclaren body, mclaren engine, mclaren gearbox.
its a mclaren
yes definitely a mclaren, but not a P1. Better call it the McLaren 1500s Evo
It IS a P1....it just isn't a hybrid P1. @@vjr9793
If the batteries degrade in a P1, how much do the batteries need to degrade before it is not a P1 any longer?
This is a fascinating question that delves into the philosophy of identity! When does a modified object cease to be itself? Ultimately, it's a matter of degree and interpretation. There's a spectrum of modification, and at some point, the changes become so significant that the car transcends its original identity and becomes something new.
Here are some factors to consider regarding a McLaren P1:
1. The Core Identity:
-- Chassis/Monocoque: The carbon fiber monocoque is the P1's backbone.
-- Engine: The P1's hybrid powertrain, with its twin-turbo V8 and electric motor, is fundamental to its identity. Swapping this for a different system would be a major change.
-- Aerodynamics: The P1's active aero is a defining feature. Radically altering the aerodynamic profile could change its essence.
2. Degree of Modification:
-- Cosmetic Changes: New paint, wheels, or interior trim generally wouldn't change the car's fundamental identity.
-- Performance Upgrades: Tuning the engine, upgrading brakes, or adding aftermarket aero parts could enhance performance without fundamentally changing the car.
-- Major Component Swaps: Replacing the engine, transmission, or significantly altering the chassis would blur the lines of its identity.
3. Intent and Recognition:
-- Builder's Intent: What does the modifier intend to create? Is he aiming to improve the P1 or build something entirely new?
-- Community Recognition: How does the car community perceive the modified vehicle? Is it still seen as a P1, or is it now a custom creation?
Examples (My Opinion): P1 or Not P1 - that is the question
-- New paint and wheels: Still a P1.
-- Upgraded turbochargers and exhaust: Likely still a P1, but a modified one.
-- Eliminating the hybrid powertrain but keeping the original V8: no wrong answer
-- Replacing the engine with a V12: Probably no longer a P1 in the purest sense.
-- Turning it into a convertible: Definitely not a P1 anymore.
You got this Freddy! Richard needs to stay in his lane and also needs to get with the times…
Totally agree mate
Jeremy Clarkson values the opinion on cars from 2 people. They are the Stig and Tiff Needell.
Love the project but personally I don't really see it as P1 anymore, I see it more indeed like LS swapping a Ferrari, it is not an Ferrari anymore - an engine is the heart of a car and if you change that, you change the car. It is a P1 shaped object. But that definitely doesn't lessen the coolness of the project. ❤
I mean, I do get Richard's point here about the fundamentals being changed. James May has also done the reactions too, and he also typically likes originally restored cars, and not modified ones. I do think it maybe a generational thing with Brits. Where it goes back to that one US special that the trio did, where they tried drag racing locals at an event held by police, and they all got annihilated at the track by custom cars, but had the mentality of "Well yeah, we lost, but their cars will break down the next time they try to do something like that." Even Matt LeBlanc brought it up during his interview with Clarkson at one point, when he visited (prior to hosting). That there are those of us that like the customize and personalize our vehicles to help make it different than just every other car on the road.
DONT LET HIM DRIVE IT, he crash’s cars 😂😂😂😂
You’re Turning it into P1 GTR EVO
I’m of the opinion, that it won’t be a P1 when finished, it will be much Much MUCH better!
I’d rather watch you make it better, than fix it back to original!
You have to remember 2 things.
1 - Hammond is old, stuck in his ways and primarily deals with classic cars.
2 - Hammond gets other people to do all the work on his cars so he's achieved very little in this area. He is just a car critic.
Doesn't the racing version have the hybrid pulled out? They still called that a P1
This guy ❤❤ wow imagine him being my best youtuber
Well no, the fastest Mclaren is the Formula 1 car, speed is measured in a corner, not a straight line.
I think Richard Hammond its jealous because you have that balls to do it on limited budget
"limited"
Man I feel like I can listen to you and Jay Leno talk about cars for many hours.
Haha I noticed Freddie’s brief “holy shit!” reaction when Jay friggin Leno said “oh ya I saw that…” meaning THE JAY LENO is watching your videos. That must be an amazing feeling.
Great work Tavarish👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
He’s right. It’s the hybrid system that makes it a P1.
He'll come around when it's fully built
I don’t recall anyone slating the Audi Quattro or Peugeot 250 when they tuned them for rallying! They were world beaters. You crack on Freddie, can’t wait to you finish and reveal the P1 Evo, Hammy will eat his words👍
I love Richard, but there's no better time for Clarkson to pop up and scream at him "Hammond! You blithering idiot!"
And Captain Slow looks confused and says "What??"
Does Tavarish come from the Russian/moldovan meaning for Comrade?
Hammond isn't anywhere near as funny when he doesn't have a team of scriptwriters behind him
Fastest in a straight line? Or fastest around a track? Europe and USA have different philosophies to define a fast car. Love this series. Can't wait to see the result.
Search for Top Gear Parody as that sketch says everything about how people in the UK perceive Hammond and the other two boomers.
I love ya, Freddie, but you've got the world's most expensive P1 kit car on your hands.
Can’t roast something that’s perfect
so dumb
Leno: "Just don't rev a McLaren when it's cold!"
Freddy: yeah....
Yeah I though you knew about that 😂
I love this, seeing Fred and Jay together shows how cars bring people closer and builds bonds that span the country and generations
To me, it will always be Freddy's yellow submarine.
It's the McLaren U-boat.
If Freddy starts dating a 304, he should change his name to Joel Goodson.
But above all that, we all can't wait to see it run and be complete.
Freddy, its just Hammonds opinion, and yes we love the trio and their opinions but everyones is different. I am on your side on this, i love this idea, making an already unique car even more unique. Plus it's YOUR car 😂. And yes he had to think of 'bad' things to say about your car because it was a roast. He struggled to roast a Subaru in the same video and we all know how much he loves a Subaru😂
Here's my 2 cents worth.....
You were the 'only?' one to have the guts to take on this restoration. By now this car would be a pile of aluminium and copper oxide in the wrong hands. There's every chance the hybrid system wouldn't of worked either in the short or long term so the idea of removing and simplifying the car makes the most sense. It works well to do what it does...just not after being submerged and from a sustainability perspective, we've seen just how short the battery life is and how expensive it is to replace them. I wonder if McLaren could have used super capacitors to achieve the same outcome??
Yes, a P1 is a P1 because of the sum total of its parts but what your are keeping is 85-90% of what makes it brilliant. That is the chassis, suspension, brakes and the engine which we have all seen as not being able to handle it's own power because of the toothpick con rods.
It's going to be a car that will remind people why the F1 was so good and why this 'P1 Evo' follows more accurately in its footsteps.
The old grandpa's axe comes to mind. This one has a new handle and a new head, and grandpa loves it!
Don't let other people's thoughts or points of view affect your ideas or goals.
Im loving the fact that Sue (siuuuuuuuuu) still lives on.... it needs to keep going
I think this project is VERY cool, Im a subscriber and Ill watch every video, buuuttttt....... Hes not wrong in the comments he made. You are not restoring with the "Hybrid assist" which makes it the P1 McLaren designed, you are actually Hot Rodding a P1 chassis. Its cool either way, but Hammond is not wrong. Dont let this get you puffed up, its awesome hes even talking about it and its not something I would have made a big deal about. The continuous push back could be negative. An internet video battle is very unnecesary especially with Richard Hammond, one of the 3 most legendary car journalist/reviewers "IN THE WORLD". Just build the car you want to build, its your car. We will watch
I can't entirely agree with Richard. I like your take better. Can't wait to see the final product.
Don't expect everybody to agree with your choices. Do it your way, some people won't like it, but that's just life
Its a McLaren, sure... But what makes it a P1 is the hybrid driveline and a few cosmetic parts...
Like, by your own admission, the engine is out of a 720, the harness is customised but based on the 720, the adaptive suspension is (AFAIK) a standard on all McLaren's, etc etc...
Its a 'Ship of Theseus' type argument.... How much can one change, before it stops being that thing...
An example: You buy a Roush Mustang, and then change wheels&tires, suspension, supercharger, tuning, exhaust, built manowar longblock, transmission, rear diff&axles, a BBK... Is it still a Roush? By title, sure... In practicality? Not even remotely...
Keep up the great work Freddy! Hybrid systems don’t belong in cars. Keep it pure ICE!
The hybrid system doesn't add speed, but it does add weight and complexity. You have done the right thing.
sorry freddy, but Hammond is correct, it is no longer a P1. another way to look at it is comparing it to a gaming PC, you can have a nice case, but the inside components define how it works, if you start switching CPU's, PS, motherboard ETC, you essentially change what it used to be. You cannot change from AMD to Intel and still call it an AMD computer. Also, McLaren probably spend a couple billion in R&D to make the car what it is, typical american way of thinking is that making it go faster=better. Just look at the american cars, yes they may be faster in a straight line, but they arent better than Euros. in reality american cars, and built poorly, with cheap chinese plastics. W for Hammond on this one.
That back fired. Jay said the hybrid system is what makes it a P1 (23:54). I don't agree, but it's funny.
Well. It's more like a twin-turbo Lamborghini Gallardo. Still a lamborghini just extra lamborghini craziness
There is nothing wrong, will never be wrong with taking something destined for the junkyard and turning it into something like nothing else
I see this as a positive. Firstly Richard Hammond is talking about your car. Secondly for me personally when someone says something negative about something I am trying to do or achieve, all it does is give me exponentially more drive to achieve my goal to prove them wrong!
Modifying a car to make it faster by removing non essential components has pretty much been going on forever!
At the end of the day purists will be purists, you do you man! I for one and I am pretty certain I speak for most people who watch your channel, can't wait to see this P1 done! it's going to be legendary!