WHY ROBOUTE GUILLIMAN IS THE GREATEST PRIMARCH!
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- Опубліковано 20 чер 2024
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All hail Roboute, the rational adult of the place.
Dude had a mom cant tell me thats not the reason he ended up the most normal one LUL
@@olorin3815 I laughed way too hard at your comment. 😂
The khan is also a rational adult.
@falcor2325
Yes. But he's a little less responsible. He'd never agree to be Lord Commander. Almost every Primarch has the mental capacity to be Lord Commander but not every Primarch would accept that responsibility.
The Khan wants to roam.
The most adult, adult, that's ever adulted. In a setting very much needing a lot more adulting
I think what makes guilliman the best primarch is the reality that he is: the emperors last hope.
He has faced the Ultimate challenges: given ultimate power and shown the worst nightmare any primarch can imagine.
Guilliman when given imperial regency spent his time creating an administration that held off every single threat for 9,000 years without a single other primarch. Men and women were able to handle the reins of power and honestly proved the Emperor and Malcador right.
Secondly he was reborn in the nightmare scenario that justified every single criticism that was levied at the emperor. And so what did guilliman do? He looked to men and women next to him and chose to fight on. He had every reason to turn to despair and wallow but instead he organized and pushed forward. He chose to be the hope of the imperium. To have belief in the ideals of man.
Guilliman and Vulkan is what humanity is at its best. They are products of people they serve as much as they are products of the Emperor.
Well said!
Logistics wins conflicts
I really hope Gman unlocks his warp power and becomes an absolute beast on the battlefield, worthy of his better combat brothers. (Khan, Corvus, Angron, Lion) THE AVENGING SON!!
Facts
@@TheSickjitshis warp ability is being the emperor's favorite sock puppet, when he's in danger big E slips the hand of plot armor up his ass and works him like a puppet
Bobby G also inherited two of the greatest traits from the Big E.
An immaculate jawline and a thing for elf women.
Hah
Somebody had to do it!
Hhh
Guilliman is such a Bro/Genefather literally making Illiyan Nastase so that Tigurius can have someone to talk shit to the Hivemind with
Dont blame him. Gave him one to get the other. Quick maffs
Conquering an empire is hard, but maintaining it is much harder. - Bobby G
Finally my boy Roboute getting the respect he deserves.
...what? Hes not Ferrus Manus, guilliman is the taylor swift of 40k as in hes constantly shoved in our faces lol open your eyes
Haha, yeah he’s just dull
The older I get the more amazing his superpower of stats and logistics to run things is more amazing than anything else. Wish he was here today for us.
Daddy that we all need bun not deserv(
Once things get to a certain size logistics is everything.
His PowerPoint presentations are both informative and necessary.
Even if i don’t like it, Guilliman is the best Primmarch and thats ok
Soldiers win battles. Generals win wars. Administrators win civilizations.
Robute Guilliman - the lunatic professional.
When any sane Primarch would fall to madness, Guilliman remains pragmatic & rational.
Madness? THIS IS TERRRRAAAAAHH (if Russ returned first and put in place of Gulliman)
We march for Macragge.
With Courage and Honour.
For Primarch and Emperor.
I'm so glad he was the 1st loyalist to return. I was indifferent to him until he returned. Then I fell in love with him and the monumental problems he is juggling.
I’d argue the most matured Primarch. He’s definitely made mistakes along the way (and he’s admitted that before), but Guilliman has the ability to actually learn and grow. The traitors especially were so blinded by Chaos, when Guilliman spoke sense to them, they just mentioned how butt hurt they were by the Emperor. Truth be told I love the traitor Primarchs, but for all of the power and time they had to get it right, my god are they dumb.
I do not consider Magnus and Angron dumb
@@thodan467 okay
People forget that the legion was so large because it valued its marine lives and said marine had long, arduous training to make sure they were among the best. The other big legions just had huge numbers of recruits. They brute forced their size.
tell that Dorne and the Gorgon
@@thodan467 tbh the gorgon is pretty much sad and disappointed with how his legion ended up. If he saw them now he would be as depressed as g man is atm
It wasn't just that, the entirety of Ultramar (500+ worlds) was a carefully orchestrated machine that could nurture potential recruits in large numbers, detect them early on for elevation to the chapter and train them and equip them en masse efficiently and effectively.
The Ultramarines however are not he best at anything specific, but are good enough at most everything and are tactically and strategically versatile on top of being the best supplied legion, they may not have the best most advanced equipment (that goes to the the iron Hands, Iron Warriors and Salamanders), but they had more reserve equipment than any other legion and wherever they went had more tools available to them for a given campaign.
Where other legions relied entirely on specific tactics, strategies, engagement methods or unique powers, the Ultramarines had a little of all that at all times and where flexible enough to change tactics and strategies faster and more efficiently than almost any other legion and hold the record for most tactics and strategies variations of all the legions.
This culminated in the Ultramarines having a lower casualty rate than any other legion by far, combined with their high recruitment and logistical potential made their ranks swell by sheer virtue of efficiency alone.
In fact at some point Guilliman was conquering and making planets compliant by the sheer fear of facing the vast Ultramarines legion, which allowed Guilliman to conquer planets at a high rate with 0 casualties, implement his tried and true methods of enhancing efficiency and making lives better faster and allowing him to move on faster than any other legion by far.
It is not that Guilliman valued the lives of his marine more or less than any other of his brothers (with the exception of Angron), but that he always sought to keep casualties to as low as possible in any conflict (to increase his efficiency) and so retain always as much of his fighting power as possible at all times.
Again playing on his role as master administrator and logistician on all sides of the numbers game.
@@Keemperor40K
with other words mediocre at everything
@@davidpower5710
both valued their mens lives
Funny how 15+ years ago everyone hated him and his smurths, but after the HH novels and his reawakening everyone loves him as much as hawk boi. xD
Having Ward miles away from the character and the lore single-handedly gave Gorillaman a chance to shine.
I want to like the ultramarines because of guilimen but matt ward ruined them for me. Wich is why I picked Crimson Fists. They're like ultramarines but flawed and face serous Challenges.@NueThunderKing
@@PhthaloGreenskin I like their Fall of Damnos novel, they actually get their ass kicked and a ultrasmurth gets saved from a necron by a baseline human.
''Amateurs talk tactics, professionals talk logistics.'' And no one can do logistics like Guilliman.
Good thing he amazing at both and also anger management since dealing with the high lords is something else
I think the Top G is the only loyalist primarch that is the best fit to lead the empire in the Emperor's absence.
rule and govern
Guilliman is basically a builder of empires and a creator of civilizations that can stand the test of time and thrive.
His one very specific trait is his ability to see a pattern, analyze it break it down and make it more effective and efficient, extremely useful in war and combat, but equally indispensable for a statesman and a manager of a realm of any size and complexity.
Waiting for Angron's argument 😂
"He is real angy" 😂
Dobut that Angron stil capable of such thing as arguments.
*Chainaxe swings*
Listen here Bobby G had a mom, clearly that's why he is the only one that doesn't have mental issues and that is why he is the greatest
Dorne has issues?
@@thodan467 Uh yeah. Remember the Iron Cage?
@@MrMcp1995
Yes
@thodan467 Someone who doesn't have issues wouldn't have done what Dorn did there.
@@MrMcp1995
Why not?
I always got the impression that Guilliman conquered more words because he could establish a provisional government faster, and thus spend less time babysitting a conquered world.
In Horus Rising, the 16th legion topples the government of 63-19 in a day, then spends months in orbit bringing it to compliance.
Guilliman's Ultramarines might take longer to take the High city, but Roboute would see the issue in the Whisperheads and send troops much faster than Horus did.
Average Primarchs conquered worlds. Good Primarchs conquered systems.
Guilliman didn't just conquer sectors, he turned them into parts of a machine designed to conquer & convert more planets, systems & sectors.
Boys study war. Men study logistics.
In any campaign he had to fight, Guilliman sought to preserve as many of his Marines as possible and to retain as much of the existing infrastructure intact as possible.
This meant that he spent the least amount of time rebuilding a world after compliance and allowed him to implement his tried and true methods in the shortest time possible, leaving a planet to fend for itself with all the tools needed to rebuild bigger and better than before.
At some point he didn't even had to fight as the fear the size of his legion generated had many planets surrender without a fight and all Guilliman had to do was ensure proper compliance under Imperial rules, based on his own treatises of efficiency and governance which tended to be far better than the original civilizations variation by far and resulted in strong, stable and thriving planets that could begin to serve the Imperium in a short span of time.
My favorite Primarch 💪
I honestly wouldn’t be mad if Guilliman was the leader of humanity in an Age of Sigmar scenario for 40K.
The Imperium dies, but humanity survives thanks to Guilliman and any primarchs that made it with him.
It's amazing what growing up in a loving two-parent household does for one's mental and emotional stability.
He is the least autistic of the Loyal Primarchs alive and active.
Most "well adjusted" pehaps.
I think especially when you're younger, leaders like Russ and Magnus seem like the greatest because they are such epic tough warriors and strange interesting channelers of great power.
But i cant help but give all the respect to a man who not only had the courage to hold a dream for his people, but also the skills and vision to maintain that dream even when everyone else had given up.
Thats the kind of leader the imperium truly needs and the sort of leader i wish we had in todays day and age.
As much as I hate to admit because I'm a Corax or Sanguinius guy, Robute is the best primarch. Warrior, leader, humane, rational, badass! And very ordinary or relatable to humans in comparison to the other primarchs. Ultimately, I genuinely adore all loyal primarchs.
Ironically Guilliman would be happiest being a lowly farmer, simply growing his crops, cutting them down and selling them season in and season out.
Of all the Primarchs his final dream is the simplest and most humble of all and for a man who has been given everything and everything came easy this is the true litmus test of personality, being content with the least.
Not the top in 1v1, not the most unique, not the biggest cool factor, but I would bet most primarchs would pick him and his legion if they could only pick one to stand with to defeat an enemy.
He may not be the single best in most areas, but he is in the top tier in enough areas that Guilliman ends up being the strongest overall leader for the Imperium.
He literally created his own massive empire before Big E found him. Plus, he was the absolute best choice to be the first loyalist Primarch back.
The Lion in the background “Nerd!”
Bobby G basically got sucker punched by Lorgar and then proceeded to come back from getting sucked into the void simply to start bitch smacking Word Bearers. Touching a world of Ultramar is the 40K equivalent to touching America’s boats. It has been tried and often ends with the one who did it getting absolutely curb stomped repeatedly by a bunch of extremely pissed off marines.
If there was ever a Primarch deserving of the word Greatest it would be Roboute. With out a doubt if we are to look at overall ability, close your eyes a think about your perfect leader, now i know that all Primarch's do everything better than humans, but OVERALL! tell me that Roboute dont come with the most boxes ticked. The Emperor even admitted that he left most worlds behind for the better.
WE MARCH FOR MACRAGGE!
Guilliman is the Emperor's Echo "Heart and Soul"
Guilliman is like Vanilla/standard/Human knight. He may be the safe option and have his special ability the most "boring" of them all but that makes it the most effective. Except from maybe Horus or Fulgrim, He is the Primarch whose abilities shine the most when he is around others to make others better, that makes it leagues better leader than any other of his brothers.
In DnD terms, an enchanter.
Guilliman is the epitome of the phrase jack of all trades because the original meaning is that its better to be good at lots of things rather than excelling in only one, which is basically ALL his other brothers.
He was able to predict a coup from the high Lords months before it even happened and countered it before it started.
The HR, Operation and Logistics in the flesh.
And here I am painting an Ultramarines killteam
Solon claimed to king Croesus of Lydia in a tale that we can't say how happy a person is as long as they alive. So Solon selected as the happiest man of all time an Athenian politician of no note, Tellus, because after a moderately successful life he got himself honourably killed in battle in his middle-age. The point is, as long as there are surviving Primarchs and the story evolves, we can't know who truly is the greatest, only really debate who has had the greatest impact so far.
Guilliman and the Khan, both possess the greatest power among the Primarchs.
The power of common sense.
All hail Papa Smurf. Imperium Secondus forever.
I really thought Matt Ward forever ruined Ultramarine reputation but somehow they managed to pull it back somehow
I love this series please keep it going!
Robert gilman. Quicken extraordinaire.
his fall to chaos will be epic
In horus rising i forget exactly what chapter but when horus and dorn are talking im pretty sure loken made a comment that dorn took more worlds than any primarch aside from horus. Could have misread or mis remembered but im like 70% sure i remember that.
I am not an ultramarines fan, but everything factored, I think he's the most important; no matter how we look at it, the Empire is hundred of millions of planets, the most complex, complicated machine to run. You need the finest of the finest to hold that together, or any other qualities is lost while itt would litterally collapse from everywhere. You need a top notch commander and a genius multi tasking manager here. Robute is all that, with a blue dressing.
The Avenging Son 💪💪 the badass bureaucrat
The large size of his legion was aided by the two Deleted Primarchs' Legions being too useful to be destroyed.
also his tendency not to risk troops lives, (angon charge!....)
Also his ability to coordinate an entire empire to nurture, find, recruit, train and equip Marines at a faster rate than any other legion by far.
No other legion had or could match the capability of the Ultramarines to swell their ranks with new recruits faster than the Ultramarines did and it wasn't even a contest how far above everyone Guilliman was in his ability to increase the number of legionnaires under his name, even without taking into account the swell by the two lost legions.
@@Keemperor40K people really do tend to ignore the fact the guy had a whole empire of 500 worlds to recruit from while pretty much every other primarch had 1 and sometimes a death world at that.
I mean based off the theory that Guilliman got the marines from the lost legions so would have Dorn since they were the two who argued in their favor the most. So something else has to come into play to explain his legions size aka ultramar among other things.
GW did an amazing job of rehabilitating his image
I think Roboute is the greatest primarch to take over until the emperor's return......
Man I hope Vulkan returns soon. They would be amazing together with the Lion bringing wrath to their traitor brothers
Yes, until the Emperor returns and messes it all up! I swear that the Emperor put every last piece of his common sense he had into Guilliman and left nothing for himself. Big E had such a great idea to hide Chaos from all of his sons and then not tell them about the human webway project. If he had done just those two things, Big E would never have ended up on the Golden Throne because there most likely would never have been a Horus Heresy. The only other thing that Big E could have done to stop the Heresy would have been to take Lorgar off to a private place and have a long, conscientious discussion about the whole Emperor worship thing instead of destroying Monarchia.
@@mistercmartin
Anyone criticizing Big E fails to see the sheer magnitude of the responsibilities he had, the foes he was facing and the personal sacrifices he's had to make. And just how little time he had, a thousand years is NOTHING for beings such as the chaos gods. The more Guilliman learns about the true nature of the universe, the more he empathizes with his father. Remember that chaos considers him their most hated enemy and the one being they fear, and think about what that says about him and his achievements.
Finally, Guilliman is the best the most human of all, beside Vulkan (live)
2 and 11 are the best ones. Simply because any powers or feats you make up for them can't be disproved...
Most of the primarchs were superhuman but highlighted the super in them. Roboute highlighted the human, the most grounded and humane of them all.
Along with Vulkan and perhaps Corax.
Guilliman is ruler, leader and general, no other primarchs have thos qualites on such global scale.
You mean galactic scale!!
Robot gulliman is my favourite he's an all rounder and it's complimented by his logistics knowledge which means he will always win as time goes on.
As a Dark Angels fan I love the Lion however Roboute remains overall the best commander for the imperium, probably even better than the emperor.
Greatest, no question. Fought the most daemon primarchs, and the only time he was really beaten was Fulgrim.
He did lose to mortarion, but that wasn't a fair fight tbh.
@@pghj100 I feel like g man has low warp magic resistance.
@InternetSupervillain I wouldn't say that for sure. The godblight was made with his blood to specifically kill him and spread from there. That implies that most of what nurgle has can't do much to him. He also resisted the athame which had turned horus traitor.
@@InternetSupervillainthere’s the theory that all the Primarch are half Warp Gods in the first place, so having a degree of Warp resistance would be rational.
@@pghj100 I think he meant psychic shenanigans rather than Nurgle's contageons. I mean, think about it, Morty 'defeated' GMan through copius application of psychic assault and warp sorcery rather than through feat of arms. The same thing happened during his fight against Kor Phaeron, Lorgar and Magnus. So I would say he's got a good point.
He did either beat Alpharius or Omegon. No one gives him credit.
The Ultramarines domination was not a thing when I grew up and there were arguably cooler chapters around. However, now as an adult I can appreciate Guillimans calm and rational approach to things. And with his organisation and logistics skills he wins wars, not just battles.
AVENGING SON BEST SON!!!!!!
Memes aside, he had a family that taught him that mortals had a lot of value and could be trusted, in his campaigns he learned that diplomacy was as good a tool as the sword and he extended that diplomacy even to the eldar, since he defended Eldrad in front of the high lords of terra.
He also wanted his legion to be more than simple killing tools and thats why Ultras also learn multiple disciplines.
My fav primarch
Edit: also, Kor Phaeroh himself in First Heretic called him the spirit of the emperor (lorgar was the face of the emperor and Horus his ambition)
Patiently waiting for Vulkan and Corvus... Sadly kind of worried of how you will tackle Ferrus 😔
Love the all the Istvan Brothers "you are weeeeak"
I so hope Brotrip with Skhost Ferrus become canon 😆
I cannot find it, but I wrote a short invective that Bobbgy G should have been Warmaster by pure logistical means. As the Crusade ventures so far from Mars and Terra, supply lines get tight.- Ultramar could fart out supplies as far out as the Ghoul Stars in a shorter timeframe. Ultramarine pattern (default pattern) equipment would be readily available at great distances from Terra.
Definitely underrated
The reason he’s so good is he actually had good parents and had a decent upbringing.
Dorn is my favorite, but Bobby g is a close second, to the point I considered switching favorite legions
DADDY!
Smurf Lord Rho
I can’t wait to see him do Curze and Angron lol
🤍⚪
(I desire your wisdom to enrich my new Horus Heresy)
Do you think you agree with my idea to put as Primarchs II and XI Ulysses and Casmero (Iron Snakes and Silver Skulls)?
But even if they had been present with their brothers perhaps the story (Horus Heresy) would still have gone the same way.
Since the new Primarchs (Devortus Gault, Thesephae, Murad Agha, Arpaza, Mikael Corveda, Severin, Dakuali) cannot be found by the Emperor, can Roboute Guilliman himself (at his father's command) fill the role of finding them on their adopted homeworlds (Zaebus, Artherion, Burso, Posul, Aurelia, Cailleach, Temeura) and reuniting them with the new (old) Legions (III Red Scorpions, IV Minotaurs, VIII Black Dragons, XIV Mortifactors, XV Blood Ravens, XVI Doom Eagles, XX Carcharodons)?
Augustus Guilliman can revive rome
Bobby G holding it down, give him his mofo props
I used to like the Khan and the loyalist twin more. New novels have made me realize Robute is the best
I thought the emperor told guilliman not to let the imperium fall
Whilst the definition of the greatest is up for some debate.. Each primarch whether loyalist or traitor tells a story of greatness. For Roboute, I always felt like that story was the son more suited to role. If the emporer was clothed in Roboutes psyche I always thought the 40th millennium would look more like star trek or star wars. Less genocidal xenophobia basically! On those grounds.. I think there is a case for Angron and his powers of healing and empathy if unbroken by his upbringing and the nails.. Can't wait to see that video
The best Primarch? You are aware that VULKAN LIVES!
Vulkan is definitely the most humane (with GMan being a close second) but is he the best , though??
Yes. He is the best. The perpetual Primarch. In a free for all battle Royal the only one left standing.
@@pitchforksdragon1252 I don't deny that but there is a lot more to primarching than just winning fisticuffs!!
@@anirecapped. Agreed. But if there is a Warhammer 80k 🤷🏼♂️ Vulkan leads humanity against the king in black 💯
@@pitchforksdragon1252 Hmm... that makes sense.
You're right and you should say it!
The reason we can make the rowboat jokes, he's worth satire. Any other son would have scrapped together a win in 40k, he's able to win AND rekindle the Great Crusade in the Indomitus. Now if he could just get over the compulsion to try to put together books of how to do it....
Maybe. Vulkan is a gahdamn perpetual though. 🔥🔥
An immortal life of PTSD doesn't sounds like it creates a well balanced person.
@@snewsom2997 lmao, I guess we shall see when ole boy comes back lol.
Vulkan and Guilliman are the Emperors Greatest success stories and the best part: it was the men and women of the imperium that raised them into who they were
Well, I guess that wraps up the series. Might as well end on the actual best.
I wonder why eldrad chose to tell fulgrim instead of roboute about Horus.
Guilliman's Ultramarines were Chuck Knoll's Steelers, Bill Walsh's 49ers, Jimmy Johnson's Cowboys, and Bill Belichick's Patriots. They were a machine, you could defeat them for a day - but not more than that.
with the exception of the blood angels, the white scars and magnus, the traitor primarchs were weaker charachters and less interesting, but the traitor legions were better more charachterful more unique and more interesting imo
Definitely not one of my favorite Primarchs but also definitively the Best Primarch because he's the best General and that was their primary purpose for existing in the first place.
Strategy wins battles, Logistics wins wars.
only one wields the sword of the emperor!
If Henry William Dalgliesh Cavill (seriously his name; I hope they change Slaanesh into Dalgliesh for the show) has any sense, he will cast Nicholas Hoult as Roboute. Tom Hardy is, obviously, Magnus. Austin Butler as Fulgrim, Michael Cera as Lorgar, Alex Jones as Angron, and Christian Bale as the Emperor. vincent d'onofrio would be a great Nurgle. John C Reilly as John C Reilly.
He is capable of using Microsoft excel exceptionally
I say this, and believe it, but Guilliman is ironicly the most relatable character for the reader in the entire IP. Ironically because a magic demigod.
As a Stellaris player, Yes, Guilliman is the best Primarch.
Rowboat girlyman was born with the Knowledge of Excel and Powerpoint. Even Magnus cant do that. 😂
he and guilliman both were the collectors of knowledge, magnus was a warp junky, which lead to his downfall.
@@user-in9in8hf9wnot a warp junky just way to overconfident and rash. Bro really need a sit down with big e about the warp
Greatest ability of his: Common sense
Best Primarch with the best color.
Yep, best ever
Gorillaman is by far the most accomplished and greatest Primarch. He is the only one of his brothers to have established an entire Empire, that was for all intents a more ideal version of what the Emperor was trying to do. Even in the current setting the realms of Ultramar are still the "best" places to reside. I'd argue he was even more successful than the Emperor of Mankind.
The lion would have had the job done by now. 🤭
Gulliman is mvp
Roboute was the brain
Hawk boy was the heart
Rogal was the will
Vulkan was the soul/ tenacity
Kahn was the curiosity/ free spirit
Johnson was a dick
Wolf boy was aggression
What about the raven
@@davidpower5710 its not a phase - emo
Its in all of us
Let's go
Technically Alpharius was first found
I think Guilliman can be better emperor than Emperor himself.
Guilliman is the best regardless