Canon R7 - RAW BURST MODE - 1/2 Second Pre-shoot for Wildlife Photography - Gimmick?? or Legit??
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- Опубліковано 21 сер 2024
- On this episode we explore the new Canon R7 camera and its 1/2 second pre-shoot feature called RAW BURST MODE. We are testing to see how it works and if it is just a gimmick or a legit tool to have in your arsenal.
We show you :
- How to set up the RAW BURST MODE.
- What it does and how it works
- How to use it
- How to view the images on the camera
- How to view the images on your computer
- How to extract the images for editing
- And answer the question is it any good?
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Use the chapters to move around to the subjects you are interested in.
-------------------------Video Chapters------------------------------------------
000:00 - Intro
02:09 - Camera settings
04:26 - How to use RAW BURST
07:30 - How to view images on camera
10:23 - How to view images on computer
12:34 - Burst images review #1
17:21 - Burst images review #2
19:07 - Burst images review #3
21:23 - Burst images review #4
23:14 - Burst images review #5
23:13 - Burst images review #6
25:09 - Burst images review #7
29:05 - How to export images from the roll
30:22 - Conclusion - Is it any good?
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I am planning to get the R7 once it becomes available in UK stores, so I can actually get my hands on it before buying, so all these videos you are creating around the R7 are really useful ......... Thankyou 👍
And thank you for watching,.
You'll be waiting a long time 🙄I've just waited 3½ months and pre ordered it on the 2nd day , in 3 months WEX birmingham have only had 21 R7's in.
I don’t care how long the videos are, if they are interesting to me, I’ll watch them over and over. Keep up the good work!
Thanks. I trimmed about 15 min off this video. I tend to get off on tangents with scenarios that happened and such. Hopefully the chapters help to move around or even rewatching. get to the part you want to see again. :)
I came for the unbiased, detailed R7 reviews, but I've stayed for the adventures in the field and peak at beautiful Alaska. A bit of both is great, thanks for sharing with us!
Your welcome
RAW Burst mode was one of the things that convinced me to add an R7 to my set up. I'm still using a DSLR main body - so this is like witchcraft to me! It's a very handy feature - and I photograph songbirds a lot so I'll certainly find it very useful for action. Other systems (Olympus for example) have had this feature for a long time - and I never understood why other manufacturers didn't offer it. Seems like Canon, at least, is doing just that.
and Nikon added it to the Z9. It's not on the R3 but is on the R7.
My R7 arrives on Tuesday. The M6MKII has a similar feature but I rarely used it on that camera because it reduced the image size a lot. From what you showed, I will be using it on this new camera.
I love these videos. You have the best "How to use the R7" videos I have seen.
I need to go back and watch your other content. I recently found your channel because of these R7 videos. Keep up the great work, it is much appreciated.
Thanks so much for the compliment.
And let me know what you think of the Photo Adventure videos. Going to try to get an Arctic Tern and Pikas videos done soon.
this absolutely captures what happens to me so often. I have a hard time with the reaction time to get the shots taken. I usually go and review and I see the bird out of the frame or basically missed it. Thank you very much for the detailed explanation.
glad it was helpful
Honestly cannot think how you make them better, they are great, helpful videos and long may they continue. Thanks.
Glad you like them!
I’m hopefully going to buy the R7 in the new year .I’m finding your vlogs very informative, so thank you x
Thanks
Thanks for taking the time making these videos, we really appreciate it.
Glad you like them!
Thanks you so much for your clarification. I used the raw burst and was completely lost in how to process them before watching your video.
Glad it was helpful!
I enjoy them all. Personally I am a Sony a1 shooter. But, I think your videos are great for animal watchers and for the R7 owners a must watch. Keep up the great work!
Great camera (the A1) :) Now if Canon would release their flagship.....lol
Got it a few days back and in love with the same.
very nice
Love your way of explaining about the R7. Really enjoy your channel👍
Glad you enjoy it!
Thank you! You explained what i needed after a long find of who can explain it better. THANKYOU for making this video!!!
Glad it was helpful!
I like your tutorials which have been a great helpful for me setting up my R7 and R6mk2 for birds.
So keep going.
Great to hear!
I just picked up my r7 this morning and I will be using it with the rf 100 to 500 lens which I already have for a few days now. I'm very excited to get out and take some pictures and your videos definitely help with the settings and I thank you for that. I actually think that the role birst mode is a pretty cool feature and I'll definitely consider applying it in those scenarios described in the video. Great content as always, thanks for sharing.
Great combo. you will be having a lot of fun in the field :)
Those were nice captures of that tern! I think with birds taking off from a perch and butterflies leaving a bloom it will be fantastic for grabbing those best shots.
I think so too!
What you are doing is great found you a little while ago. Am thinking of getting the R7 in the future. Am enjoying your videos very much.
awesome. glad you are enjoying.
Most excellent! Thanks for the clear explanation. I will try to play with this function at my next outing soonest.
Glad it was helpful!
What an excellent explanation/demonstration of the pre-burst, thanks :)
Thanks
Thanks for this. I had looked at this as a gimmick and briefly played with it, thinking I would never use it, but having watched this I think I may well use it. I can think of many times when I've missed the birds taking off
glad it helped
@@WILDALASKA It did. I've had a few birds taking off moments now that I've managed to capture. Nothing fancy, just Doves but at least I know how to work this method now.
Back in oz jan wegener is my go too for information,but i have just added your good self to my list. Excellent tutorials.
Love Jan's stuff. Im using his pro-sets for Lightroom. Thanks for that compliment and welcome aboard.
Thanks again for a serious explanation of the subject. Very useful to me while waiting for my copy of the R7. Cheers - Per
Glad it was helpful!
I recently spent several hours trying to get a woodpecker flying away from a tree with myR6 & RF 100-500 lens , by taking continuous burst of photos, it was often a minute or more before the woodpecker flew off and usually when the buffer was full 3000 shots later only had three good images of the woodpecker in flight! Can’t wait to try the raw burst mode when my preordered R7 arrives Ordered from my UK supplier on the day it was released but still waiting The R6 is great but looking to replace the wonderful 7D mk ll with the R7
Many thanks for not only this video but your back button focus recommendations for the R7, both excellent and very helpful
awesome. Those woodpeckers are fast :)
thank you for your tutorials, they are very interesting and exciting. I appreciate the field videos, as well as the more theoretical aspects, both are important to perfect your knowledge. I will be picking up the pre-ordered R7 next week along with a 100-500mm.
awesome and thanks
😱 THANK YOU for demoing this. Like you I think I got the shot(s) only to come home and be a little disappointed! This is a feature 1st appeared on the M6ii and R3. So cool that Canon added this to the R7...which I am still waiting for 😫 😁
Ive rented the R3 and will be seeing how close they are and how that rolling shutter is affecting the electronic also.
Just got mine today after a 3 month preorder wait :)) Helpful video, thanks!
Congrats. The raw burst is a fun mode. takes a bit to master it, but once you do, you will get some cool results.
Just rewatched this episode now I have had the chance to play with my R7 and learn to set up my workflow a bit better. Yes it is a cool feature albeit a bit fiddlier to extract. Having watched again it feels less daunting Scott and something I would use with fast moving subjects like say swallows, terns etc. My holy grail shot would be to capture a Fairy or Little Tern diving and coming back out with fish. I love watching terns so much and was absolutely stoked when I caught my first Crested Tern BIF shot
Its a very neat tool.
It seems like a very useful feature for birders. I have it on my Lumix G9 and it has been very useful for take-off and landing shots on perches and nests.
Totally agree!
Wow that pre capture is amazing !!! R7 is what I need lol.
Its a handy feature at times. I have a image I want captured of a PIKAS doing its alert. they look like little miniature lions on top of a rock when they do it. I miss it a lot. I'm goin to try the raw burst mode and see if I can get the shot.
Thank you very much for the informative video. On the waiting list for R7. This feature will be useful for me - signal from brain to index finger muscle takes time.
Now waiting for indepth explanation on incamera focus stacking.
Cheers, stay safe.
Oh my there's a nasty one to add to the list. I'll make that video..may be a week or 2 out lol
I have now gotten used to the new button layout. BUT>>>> I am using the R3 now with similar layout to my R5 and I kept missing the ISO wheel setup LOL
I'm on the list for one at the shop I use. This should be a very useful feature. I shoot a lot of surfers and wave action; it may take the guess work out of when to hit the button
very cool
Great video my friend.
Thank you 👍
Appreciate the effort you put into your vlogs. Cool feature .... Thank you .... Can you use BBF instead of shutter button to hold down for 1/2 sec before hitting shutter button? When you extract images from the roll to a folder are they raw (Cr3) or tiff ? Hope most current editors can extract from roll eventually.
It looks like you can map for the pre-buffer according some commenters, but I haven't tested it.
It saves as a CR3 file which means you have all the original RAW data which is awesome.
Very good video! As a beginner who wants to buy this camera, I found out a lot of useful information. Continue to explain every detail, I am convinced that will be appreciated. This channel will grow fast . I would like to know how long does the battery last? Thank you and I wish you success!
Thanks, will do!
Hi I bought my r7 a month or so ago, so I'm still learning what this camera can do, so I'm great full for your vids about the camera. I wish I had realised what this actually did before I had tried to take some pics of ducks as they dived under water to catch food. I kept missing the actual turn to dive and the resurfacing as I was just not quick enough. I'm sure if I had known about this, then I would have got some great duck pics, so thank you very much for this vid. (Also just subscribed)
Glad it was helpful.
Really great presentation as the others have said and I like this feature. It's easier to hit the delete key than travel back to a location and try again.
Its pretty cool tool for certain situations. There's been a few times I was missing a shot so i enabled the RAW BUST MODE and got the shot.
@@WILDALASKA I'm go to have to try this with the R7 and I love the 100-500mm with it. Again, thank you for the video. They are really the best way to learn about your camera, besides using it.
@@JennaCee thank you.
Great video, Like you, I'm not sure how much I will use it, but I will try it and see, I think the swallows are a great example of when it's worth useing, those little buggers don't halve move, I will have to wait till spring in the UK for the swifts and swallows to return, but great to know about it, thanks.
Its a neat feature and very useful the right situations
You'll notice that you got the birds arriving because you knew that they were coming but you missed all the take off's as you do not know when they're going to take flight. That's when the Raw burst really comes into play.
exactly :)
Yes R7 definitely has rolling shutter issues - need to use a mechanical shutter for moving objects or you get really bad distortion.
Working on rolling shutter video now.
I like it! It’s not for everything but when you want to catch that perfect moment I think it could be great. It would be nice if you could set a button to turn it on and off but I suppose you could put into a custom setting, like C1, and then just flip that over when your pensively waiting for something about to happen. Thanks again for another excellent review.
I think its because the shutter has that half press they could program to fill and flush the buffer and at same time give you normal just hit it feature.
Not sure if this is what you mean, but…. I programmed my ISO button to execute the raw burst mode menu item. That lets you toggle in and out of the mode fairly easily. Otherwise I kept forgetting to turn it off, which as a pain.
@@jackq279 The AF/MF button in the front for me. It is pretty much useless anyway!
Nice video. You are real. I shoot a lot of soccer. The preburst is the single feature I am excited the most. However, it is bit disappointing with the rolling shutter. On another channel review, the distortion is really bad with a slow whiffle ball action. I would imagine soccer will be a lot worse. Kind of crazy, but a times, I think I can see rolling shutter on the feet kicking with mechanical shutter (7D2).
Yah, don't go by those videos. A lot of them do the exact thing that will cause the exaggeration just for the click. It's not real world. Especially if its the video I'm thinking of. And when they went to wildlife they did a whip pan on the bird and shooting its butt. We NEVER shoot a bird flying away ( so not much of wildlife photography example)
The soccer all ones and bats always get me. The ball compresses when kicked so its supposed to compress. The bats are due to camera is moving one way and bat is moving the other and you shutter speed along with that straight line object will bow with stacked or not it just exaggerated more on the non stacked .Along with speed and timing of the swing. If they showed you the full series of shots you will see at the END of the swing you get the rolling shutter effect. SO you can adjust that shutter and how you take the shot.
My main takeaway is learn what methods help or hinder any factor of your shot.
I'm working on a rolling shutter video now for Wildlife Photography. It doesn't affect wildlife as much and there are things you can do do reduce that effect.
Rolling shutter does exist on this and all non stacked cameras, but its avoidable with proper technique I'm my opinion. But well see after my testing with R3, R5, and R7.
Thanks so much for all the great info. I was in Alaska 3 days ago visiting my Sister in Eagle River . I had pre ordered the R7 and received a call from my Vancouver BC. store that my camera was in and I could pick it up. Trouble was I was sitting at the airport about to depart in 30 minutes.So I ended up in Gods country for 15 days without a camera. Close but no cigar !
Anyways I was hoping that you might do a workflow tutorial on editing the R7 images using DPP4?
Keep up the great work and thanks again for all the effort you put into helping others.
Oh I don't edit in DPP4. Just to open the first images. That software is sooo slow :(
Just drove by Eagle river this evening heading back for Hatchers pass.
@@WILDALASKA okay thanks Scott
I really appreciate the level of detail you go into, to create your video clips. You asked what would benefit us as viewers and for me personally I am having difficulty deciding whether to sacrifice quality by buying an RF 100-400mm lens , or to pay the extra (and have back problems) carrying the RF 100-500 lens which is twice the weight. It’s a heart vs brain thing! Have you tested the RF100-400 lens and if so does it give acceptable quality images?
The 100-400 RF was rented out or I could make that comparison for you. My suggestion is go to your camera shop and rent the 2 lenses and A/B them
Another great video.
Please allow me a little smugness as Panasonic (and Olympus) users, like myself, have been enjoying the advantages of pre-burst for many years.
That said, I am poised to migrate to either the OM Systems OM-1 or the Canon R7. So this information is very valuable to me. Thank you.
That's what's so amazing right now with photography. The amount of great cameras and amazing features we have at even these low ( for photography gear that is) prices.
@@WILDALASKA It's all good stuff. Pkease keep up the good work. If you are looking for suggestions for R7 videos, an in-depth look at the in-camera focus stacking may be a good one.
i like all of your video's, Sir!!
I appreciate that!
I have the RP since about a year, i really enjoy the camera but i probably made a bad decision: I got a fair priced 2nd hand R6 (thinking it has also the pre burst mode and that im fine with 20MP full frame)
Its a MONSTER....just handles ISO 12800 with superior image quality, even 25600+ looks somehow usable and great. But then there comes the issue: 20MP, without crop sensor i need to crop manually which shows up pixels MUCH TOO EASY, less noisy/grainy and more color detail, but at best as good as the RP when cropping in sharpness/fine detail which was on the RP already an issue for wildlife. Often i just used the heavy 1,8x crop of the 4k video to extract jpegs, thats NOT ENJOYABLE when you want to take pictures.
With more reach from lenses (or 2x TC) i would probably keep the R6 with happiness, but i struggle a lot with the 20MP FF (which is in my opinion not ok for such a high price).
Its a great allrounder for anything, but missing pre burst is also a huge thing, beside the fact that i can forget about a lot cropping with the R7 since my 400mm gets 640 and the RF 800 F11 gets extreme 1280mm for "uncropped" photo usage at damn 32MP!
As much i love how awesome the R6 performs and i would love to keep it... for landscape, travel etc the R6 is too low MP and too heavy (and too good in other aspects), for wildlife the R6 isnt fitting my needs as i expected as well.
Also, i really want to keep the EOS RP (it fits my needs nearly 100%, just 120fps video and animal detect is missing!) and the RP + R7 seems like an awesome and universal usable combo (RP with any regular/small lens for macro whatever, just a basic camera for "anything" and the R7 for my dedicated wildlife needs with the RF 800 F11 and 100-400 or just mix in between whatever fits better. This setup i could use until both cameras die and the lenses and system is heavily outdated i guess?
Longer ago i had also 2 bodies... but the 2nd body was always a lot older and much less usable so i never/barely used it, this combo could work a lot better since both systems, the RP and R7 have its own unique selling points/strenghts, combine them and you have a super image quality and overall package ("super" small & light) with the RP, and a fast, nearly to the R3 comparable wildlife/sports camera with the R7. Price/performance i think i get a lot more with RP+R7 than with the R6 i guess?
Doing both landscape and wildlife? Hmmm
Anything high MP for landscape. That could even be a used 5dMk IV or EOS R.
and R7 for wildlife
Or heck just 2 R7's if you can find them.
RP is great for general shooter also.
@@WILDALASKA Yeah i have now the RP, R6 and R7, i will sell for sure the R6, it just doesnt fit my needs as much as i expected additionally to the problem that i need an astro camera without any higher MP or APS-C body for astrophotography.
I will use the RP for low light stuff and with small primes or macro and the R7 dedicated for wildlife. If i find myself also comfortable to be happy with APC-S of the R7 for anything else too, i probably sell the RP. But i really began to like full frame with the RP, i love the RP at all, super small, convenient AND AFFORDABLE FULL FRAME! Especially the high iso performance is a charme (coming from 400D and 550D)
I just need to see if the R7 is "good enough" at higher ISOs and if i could live with the crop (definately not with the RF 50 1.8)
@@WILDALASKA I have the RP for about a year now, but as i bought it i didnt had yet any intention of videography or wildlife
Im super happy with it, except the wildlife and video part where the RP probably struggles more than i have to struggle with the RP.
Bought the R6 and hoped that it will be in EVERYTHING better than my RP.... nope. Just how heavy and big it is, cant replace the small RP at all.
So im aiming for RP+R7, i miss a dual camera setup anyways (did often deep sky astrophotography on the 550D APS-C automated via PC/notebook and wide angle milky way shots with the RP)
crop, size/weight and high iso performance let me keep the RP, at least the next weeks/months for sure until i understand/know the R7 100%.
I hate for example the R7s menus (as well as the R6s), too overloaded, custom menus totally needed, and NOT ONE (as it works well for my needs on the RP)
Yeah, many functions means much settings, and better we can take control over something than not, but i still need a lot time with the menu and configuration, very much information (which some things i dont even know what they mean) in these menus to understand/configurate.
I use to use Canon cameras, now use micro 4/3 system. So if I am getting this correct, Canon did not match what Pro Capture feature does on the micro 4/3 camera. Had 30D, 40D, 1D Mk IV, 7D Mk II and they were great cameras. Canon has done so many blunders over the years and they are still at it. Hoping that the 7D Mk II replacement will not disappoint. Waiting till next year to see what I will be looking at getting, not the R7.
Probably next Canon camera will be the rebel series type mirrorless. Then probably flagship in 2024. its same cycle Canon has run for a while. May not be a true 7D replacement :( but we can hope
@@WILDALASKA R10 is pretty much a Rebel. I am not able to wait till 2024 or more for Canon to release a 7D Mk II replacement. Oh well.
@@andymok7945 IM regering to the sub $600 rebels. But I with you on the wait for more 'Pro' level cameras from canon
Thank you for your explanation Scott. Especially that explanation of Dpp was enlightening because I couldn't open my files. My question: You say that you used Single point, for example, with the swallows. Do you also use the tracking function in AF and why not eye detection in Burst Mode? Regards Martin
once burst mode fires off its not tracking anymore.
depends on what I was doing. I probably single pointed the box to be ready then sure I used eye auto after that when bird flew in them hit the shutter for pre-burst.
Very kind of you to make this video with so much detail, and all very well explained. Consider me a subscriber. :-)
Awesome, thank you!
Do you know if the raw burst mode retains the individual still pictures at 35 megapixel or does it do something similar to my M6 Mkii where it scales the stills back to about 20 MP? Apologies if you mentioned this, I don’t recall it.
I've been using burst mode a lot w/the R6MII, but there are 2 things I find frustrating. If editing the roll file on the camera, there isn't anyway to export a series of frames in 1 step so you can get that many JPEG or HEIF files at once. And in DPP, you showed the 2nd button for exporting more than 1 image out of the roll file, but it doesn't create separate image files of them, it just creates yet another roll file. So in DPP there also isn't a way to export a series of images out as JPEG (and no option for HEIF since DPP doesn't support that format for exporting). When doing bird launches, it's almost never a single image and why they don't have an option to export multiples in 1 step I don't understand. And in DPP if you want to edit the roll images, you can't do them directly in the roll file, you have to export each image and then can edit the image back in the main DPP window. I think they need to add even more/better support for their roll files both on the camera and in DPP.
I had the same experience as you. Its a great feature for take offs and landings, but its a lot of work in post pulling 1 image out of the roll at a time.
@@WILDALASKA I've been reaching out to Canon for better answers but not much luck. Trying the local store's Canon rep next to see if they can help w/some better contacts and/or insights.
Love all the details. I have r8. Is it even worth using burst on a soccer game?
could be
Very cool! Thank you,Sir
You are very welcome
Yeah man, that's again a very interesting investigation you made here!! Partly thanks to Alaska being so close to Japan, you were among the first to decently test the R7, and you stay several steps ahead of the pack. In your previous YT, you referred briefly to my mate Duade. Some days later he posted his first impressions and was fighting a bit with his AF settings. So in my comment I pointed him to your video, and he replied me he found some great tips from you ;-)
Also instead of the hype around AI, you showed some neat HI (aka Human intelligence) .. after the pre-shoot winning the first 4 bursts, your brain was trained by the R7 and the next 2 you nailed all by yourself 😛
Do you have the impression this burst mode provides more images from the rather limited buffer size compared to regular shooting ?
And did you do anything special to avoid rolling shutter ? I've seen examples where the R7 had much worse rolling shutter, and when I then learned the raw burst was stuck to electronic shutter, I feared the rolling shutter would destroy this feature. But most of your images rather prove the opposite !
I'm again starting to pray the raw burst comes a firmware update to the R6/5/3 as well ..
Ya I saw Duade's video. And im not sure what Sd card he and Jan are using. but the v90 card he's the buffer immensely and is he shooting craw or raw. Wasn't enough info to understand why on the burst of 1 second. Even the R3 with a Type B hits buffer at 30fps. Of course longer than the R7 ;)
The AF has been great for me. Watch todays video coming out this evening AK time. And you will see me shooting a PIKAS in almost same conditions Duade had issue with. No issue for me more than the R5 would do. So not sure what some others are experiencing. As he's a great photog.
With the RAW Burst how I use it is to hit a moment in time that's hard to catch. SO a 3 second burst should be more than enough.
Im working a video up on rolling shutter now. Jan Wenger has one on the R5 which is exactly the same as the R7. IN todays video I highlight some shots that have rolling shutter during the in depth of the 600mm F11 shots. Spoiler its not an issue for wildlife. there will always be an extreme case though. Also you can do things to avoid rolling shutter same as you can avoid motion blur, blown highlights, etc. A bit of the Human AI vs Artificial. Same as in Auto ISO it never has it "right" for my taste.
Thanks for the comments and info.
@@WILDALASKA Thanks for the heads up, and I'll most certainly watch that next video, but only tomorrow as it's nearly bed-time in Belgium. Wednesday I'm flying to Iceland, which climate-wise might be more similar to Alaska. But they don't have trees, so none of your amazing woodpeckers. The last months, my garden is also blessed with 2 couples and about 3 juvenile great spotted woodpeckers frequenting nearly every hour 🙂
@@WernerBirdNature very cool. Happy Shooting
I enjoy these tutorials but i would much prefer adventures in the field. They can be entertaining as well as educational. A mix of both is ideal. Some things i dont like bout the r7, but overall its looking to be a banger for wildlife and nature. Great content keep it up brother.
Thanks. Tell me the things you don't like on the R7 if you don't mind. Love to get everyones experience.
I have been playing around with this Raw Burst Mode a bit but could not figure out how to get the pics off my camera as LR doesn't recognize it. I played around with the roll on camera and can extract but I can't really see if it's a decent shot until after saving the single image and then reviewing it, all on my camera. Kind of annoying. Thanks for this video, I will give the dpp4 a try 🤞
P.S. We (group of 4 from Michigan) were in Alaska spring 2023 and happened to run into you at Potter's Marsh; we chatted for quite awhile. What a great guy full of information and enthusiasm 🙂 Wish I could post a pic that I took of you with the 4 of us but... Thanks again for sharing your knowledge!
Canons raw software isn what you use. DPP4
Scott, are you considering an upgrade to the RF 100-500 for the extra reach, and slightly better sharpness? Great content btw! Can you share which processor and GPU iteration on your MacBook please, ram as well.
I have a 500MM f4.0 MK II lens. I had the RF 100-500 at release but didn't use it much because of the 500 F4 lens. Sold it during the pandemic and lens shortage and put it into other lens purchases. The 70-200 EF takes extenders very very well. So I have (with the R5 )with 2 lenses 70 to 1000 MM without going into crop. I wouldn't mind having the 100-500 again, but the f-stop of 7.1 at 500 kills me in AK and you have to work harder vs f4 on your backgrounds. and that 500 f4 is just dreamy with its IQ. It took a long time to save up for the 500 f4 also.
Thanks for that l was wondering if a half second would be enough but appears it plenty.
You bet
Great demo of the raw burst/pre-shoot feature! Thanks for doing this video.
It looks like a useful feature for certain situations, as you demonstrated... Very fast action that's difficult for the photographer to time perfectly. The fox hunting in the snow is a perfect example... A shot you know is possible, but have been unable to get because it happens so unexpectedly and fast.
I have three or four concerns about using this feature on the R7. You touched on one of them... The possibility of rolling shutter issues, since it's only possible to use the pre-shoot with the electronic shutter. Another possible issue you mentioned, it sounds as if exposure modes and white balance are essentially locked as soon as the raw burst/pre-shoot mode are enabled... Does that mean going into the menu to disable the mode in order to make any necessary exposure and WB adjustments? Finally, maintaining the half press of the shutter release is going to more rapidly drain batteries, I'm sure. Not to mention cramped fingers if doing it for long periods of time. How about Back Button Focusing? Can that be used instead?
Thanks again for the informative video!
All great questions.
-Rolling shutter as your in electronic. Im testing this weekend to see how extreme it is for us wildlife guys ( not noticing any really off so far - its there but not as noticeable to me now)
- It just takes what you have for settings prior to enabling the mode. Just shoot manual and you can control your exposure and I leave white balance to auto and I think that's what the mode uses.
- And yes the half press on a animal that you have to wait a long time on is painful. ut at least its an option
- I don't think so but I haven't tested.seeing as its a half press that the shutter button has an nothing else does half press.Maybe if they allowed a prebuffer button. but alas no such option. more testing needed
@@WILDALASKA Thanks for the quick followup. Very helpful.
With regard to the last item... I know on all other Canon the Back Button Focusing not only starts AF, it alao starts metering and IS. In other words, it does everything a half press on the shutter button does. The only real difference with BBF is that the half press no longer starts AF. It continues to start metering and IS. In other words, when BBF is set up both shutter butron half press and pressing the AF On button start IS and metering, while only pressing the AF On button starts AF (It is also possible to use the * button for BBF... either swapping function with AF On or setting up two different BBF modes, such as one with eye detect and the other without)
I would bet that with BBF enabled the AF On button will also activate the raw burst/pre-shoot function.
@@WILDALASKA I shot goldfinches flying away from my feeders. The rolling shutter was very noticeable making the pictures useless. I was only using 1/1250 as ISO was already at 6400. I intend to try again with 1/4000 but don't expect that will help.
@@daviddouglasuk Lot to unpack here, but birds 2500 plus shutter. as wide open aperture as you can and tripod it up. Sounds like couple things slow shutter and camera movement. I shot tree wallows handheld in the video and very few rolling shutter issues
@@WILDALASKA When I look at your video again you do have an image like the ones I have. Its in Burst 4 at around 22:30 you talk about on being a possible rolling shutter issue. Some folk have suggested zooming out a bit so the birds are smaller and therefore subject to lees rolling shutter as a work around. I will be interested to see how the R3 does.
My typical workflow is to use DPP4 to cull out unwanted photos, then process the rest with DXO-PureRAW, and then edit (crop and adjust brightness, etc.) the processed photos with DPP4. This has worked well for me. However, after DXO processes the pre-burst photos extracted from the roll (using DPP4 as shown in your video), those processed raw photos are no longer editable by DPP4. Have you run into this? Is there really no alternative but to use Adobe to edit my photos processed by DXO? If that's the only alternative, which one do I need, LIghtroom or Photoshop? Thank you for the very helpful videos.
Lightroom. DPP4 is SOOOOO slow.
OK. Thank you for the quick response.@@WILDALASKA
Great explanation on the raw burst mode! Was there a rolling shutter effect on the wings around the 19:00 mark? I’ve got an M1 Mac as well but having trouble loading the latest DDP4. Did you find a good source explaining how to install on Apple silicon?
The R7 has rolling shutter and im sure that's what it was. I didnt have much issue installing the DPP software myself.
@@WILDALASKA which version did you install?
One more: After you switch back to normal shooting and disable the burst mode, does the camera revert to prior settings you had been using (things like mechanical shutter and back button focus) or does it dump you back still in electronic using the shutter button to focus?
Yes it does. All back as prior to setting RAW BUST MODE to enable.
HM i will try it with my R7 + 800 /F11
And you didnt mention another feature - shooting insects in macro with preburst opens to you another good frames you didnt shoot without it.. Like butterflies/dragonflies, bees ..
Yes you can. I don't really do macro is why I didn't mention it. Id love to try it out more with the 100mm macro lens I have once I can find the time to master it more.
Ive had my r7 for about a week now and its great, can i ask if you had image stabilization on when using the raw burst mode or not ?? Thx 👍
yes
Question for you extract the image that you want. I'm assuming that you still need DPP4 to edit the shot to save it as a TIFF? I can see using this feature for the times I go to Conowingo Dam to shoot bald eagles diving into the river to retrieve fish. Sometimes I'm a little late with the shutter release as well. Thanks for the info!
When you extract the image from the roll it save as a CR3 file with one image in it that is like a normal shot from the camera as a CR3 so it has all the RAW info as a normal shot. Which is very nice.
Hi! I found tis video quite helpful. I don't know if you're reading these comments anymore, but I tried this on my Canon R10, and I was in a situation where the swallows flew full speed in the picture and away, so it was a really high speed thing. I maneged to capture some sharp photos, but everything was... I don't knoe how to explain. Bent? It was like looking it in a bended mirror. Longeneted beak, etc. Is it possible to solve this? I didnt see this in your pics. Maybe the R7 is just quicker with the electronic shutter, and thats it?
yes the r10 is a much slower shutter. If you're panning fails quickly you will get some bend. Rolling shutter strikes again
Would you be able to use a shutter release for the Raw Burst Mode?
When a bird is sitting there, you Focus on that bird and does your Focus stay there during the raw burst or does the eye detection take effect and just follow the eye wherever it moves to? And could you have focused on the bird house and waited for a bird to land?
I'm not sure the pre-shot buffer would build. if its attached to the meter start then possibly.
Thank you for a very informative video ,I have a question does RAWBurst work with back focus ?
Yes it does!
How do you find the AF system works during this? Does it work at all?
I may have missed it in the video, but I know for Z8/Z9, it seems to lose it's AF power somewhat based on other videos I've seen, when engaging pre release
Focus will still work as any other shot the only things that lock are Picture Style, white balance, and Auto Lighting Optimizer settings configured for the first shot also apply to the next shots.
Hi, I may had missed it. Is the output resolution of the EOS R7 raw burst also 32 megapixel? I saw that it is 6960 x 4640 resolution in your dpp top bar. is there any additional crop factor? For example for the EOS M6 MK II, it produce a 18 megapixel crop raw roll files (on top of the 1.6 crop factor) when using its raw burst mode. Thanks.
no extra crop. and it shoots just pre RAW when in the RAW BURST MODE.
You probably covered this already, but which SD card would you recommend to take best advantage of the R7?
Sony TOUGH-G series SDXC UHS-II Card 128GB, V90, CL10, U3, Max R300MB/S, W299MB/S
I did not see a single thing about how you convert/extract jpegs from the roll in-camera.
I think I said in the video when I came to that spot that you can do it in camera but I wasn't going to cover it and some folks do everything in camera, etc.
With that said, it's pretty easy. Just open the roll in camera dn when you find a shot you like there is a button there somewhere that says something like fav or save or something. I don't have the camera in front of me.
Here is the link to the manual .... cam.start.canon/en/C005/manual/c005.pdf
Getting the R7 ? but thanks for the great videos
You bet
thanks for the sharing. Not much people sharing about this new feature. But do you have any idea how do extract the whole series RAW files within a range e.g. I want the whole series which consist 60 frames. Does this mean I need to extract 60 times ?
I am actually preparing some sharing on this new feature too. Thanks for yours sharing
There is. Go look up the help section of the DPP application. It has the instructions there.
I,m looking at upgrading my Canon 90D to the R7. I have the Canon EF 100-400 MII lens so do you think this would be a good combination with the R7? At some stage I my look at the RF100-500 but here in New Zealand, that lens costs close to NZ$6000!!
I'm not Wild Alaska, but I do use the EF 100-400mm II lens and have asked a few folks about adapting it to the R-series cameras. Every single one has said the lens works even better adapted onto the mirrorless than it did on their DSLR (various models). Up to now all have been using it on one or another of the full frame models... Mostly R5 or R6. So few people have the R7 in hand, so far... But I see no reason the EF 100-400mm II shouldn't work just as well on the R7, too. From what I've seen, aside ffrom the extra 100mm (and half lb. less weight) there is almost no difference with the RF 100-500mm. Here in the US, if I recall correctly the RF 100-500mm is selling for $2900. The basic EF to RF adapter sells for $100. Or for $200 there's the adapter with a control ring.
@@alanm.4298 Thanks so much for that information. I don't really want to spend the extra $$'s if there is no need too, just to get an additional 100mm reach. US$2900 is NZ$4600 but just had a look and the current going rate for the RF100-500 here in New Zealand is NZ$5500. So, looks like I will just get the EF to RF adapter. Cheers.
the EF 100-400 would /is great
agree. All my main lenses are EF.
@@WILDALASKA Really enjoying your tutorials. Looking forward to see what other lenses Canon is bringing out for the crop sensor R7
Hi Scott,
What raw editing software are you using on your CR3 files ? I installed a demo of DXO Pure Raw . which is meant to be amazing, but it won't open those files!
I'm not really. I'm just culling the images and storing for now. My keepers that is. The thumbnails for UA-cam and anything I share has just been the pure RAW image which speaks to the quality of the camera and its IQ.
I'm waiting to do proper edits once DXO gets the camera model added. So they need to HURRY.
thanks gripped from start to finish intresting other reviewers slamming noise in PS etc well they dont have Cam R7 profile in PS so no wounder they rubbish it'''
Yes, and I'm reserving my definitive review of the camera until I can get camera profiles for all of my workflow tools, For now using the CR3 files without the tools feels like the other camera profiles (R5 and R3) So I'm hoping once they all get up to speed it will be close in image quality
@@WILDALASKA wish the other reviewer's would be honest like you Thank you keep up the supper work
In my camera, the burst function is Gray. Meaning that does not let me to switch it or select it, but is there is there a reason or a way that I can enable the burst mode?
Has to be in RAW format. other than that im not sure what could be causing the grey menu item.
Thanks. Does the viewfinder look worse (refresh rate/jitter) in raw burst mode? I have a Canon M6II and the viewfinder gets kinda laggy in raw burst mode.
Looks exactly the same with the addition of the burst bar.
Thx. Great video. Is there a way to assign a button to enable/disable this feature?
I don't think so. The shutter button has 2 modes half and full press. I think that's why they only allow it there. Half for buffer and then full to store it and on. release of half discharge it. Ill need to dig deeper to know for sure.
As one of the earlier comments mentioned - assign it to C1. Can then toggle between M and C1.
@@nsbhagwat cool
I wonder how is the rolling shutter, since you are in electronic mode 30fps? In the shown picture's it looks good, what is your idea?
Working up a video to show just that. Using the R3 as comparison as it has a stacked sensor to show offset of the non stacked r7 and r5. From a wildlife perspective
@@WILDALASKA Would be great, thanks.
Would you recommend the R7 today?
Yes
Note to self: Video starts at 2:16
I need to go back and add chapters to that video. Thanks for getting me that timestamp :P
@@WILDALASKA LOL no worries! That was truly a note to myself for when I check back to re-watch. Thanks for the reply. Love your stuff! Just got my camera yesterday. Pretty impressed so far.
My windows system does not seem to save the whole sequence when I select it. I can only export one image at a time in Canon PP4. Suggestions ?
I only know of ability of an image at a time.
Hello , when you shoot in burst mode Raw after pre recording what time size in megapixels make your files once extracted ?
I have Raw files that are 1620 x 1080 megapixel ...
I transferred them by Eos utility on my computer ( WiFi ?
Thanks
should be same size as your raw file size normally if you are shooting raw
@@WILDALASKA
No my Raw file is only 1.75 mpx or 1620 x 1080. This may be due to a WiFi export by canon software
Can any 1 confirm on raw file resolution extracted from Canon raw burst mode image . raw file I extracted from Canon raw burst mode image is 1620x1080 (1.75MP) 24bit where as jpeg extracted in camera is 6960x4640. Not sure raw file extracted are of low resolution
It's same resolution as when your set to 30 FPS no change
Is there any reason why somebody would use raw burst mode without the pre-buffer?
You can, but if you aren't holding the shutter halfway prior to full press you don't get the 15 frames prior.
@@WILDALASKA it just seems weird that they would even offer raw burst
mode without the pre-buffer. You might as well just not even use raw burst mode. It’s just a curiosity to me.
Thank you for your videos
Hi, no sound of shutter when in raw burst??
it is silent only
so seems autofocus is working in this pre shooting Mode?
yes. you can changes your focus areas and types
Which lens are you using?
EF 70-200 MK III
I called b&h yesterday and they said my order from may 24th is still 2-3 weeks back ordered 🤦♂️
Ouch.
@@WILDALASKA if I had a local shop I’d cancel my preorder but there aren’t any close to me
@@RyanFriedenberg double ouch
Which SD-card do you use?
Sony TOUGH-G series SDXC UHS-II Card 128GB, V90, CL10, U3, Max R300MB/S, W299MB/S
how do you download DPP4 on macOS?
canoncanada.custhelp.com/app/answers/answer_view/a_id/1013396/~/digital-photo-professional-4.5.20-for-mac-os-x
@@WILDALASKA thank you!