I believe the plan is to ramp up Texas, then retool Fremont for the new cells and castings. The cant afford to take Fremont off line for major changes until Texas is running at a good clip. Chip shortage might actually help in this instance - Texas can take all or most of the chip slack when Fremont is down. Limiting the impact of taking a factory out of production.
I think you are on the right track. I also believe that in the interim that Tesla will distinguish the Texas units from the Fremont units with a different range and price to accomplish whatever transition order balance they need. I don't think people will put up with the chance of getting two radically different cars at the same price. They'll go to another state to order the one they want if they have to. It would just totally piss people off to get a lesser model but pay the same price so I don't think this is a good idea not to distinguish them. Tesla should not put impediments in the way of getting the longer range vehicle with the front and rear castings. Just make a temporary newer version with longer range and higher price and ship the ones from TX to where ever people want them as long as they are willing to pay more. When all the vehicles have both castings and the 4680, then obsolete the interim version.
@@aklnz1234 Yep. That is a reasonable thing to do but there will be a period where they don't have Texas ramped enough to supply the demand for Model Y so both will need to build Model Y for a while. My best guess is that they will create a new version--Ultra Long Range (ULR) which will be the model from Texas and it will be at a premium for a while until they can ramp. Then eventually they will either have Fremont building with front and rear casting and 4680 also or transition it to LFP versions. I don't see any way it isn't going to be an issue during the ramp so hopefully that will be a very fast ramp.
Fremont currently uses all 2170. That's a different *car body* to the 4680 vehicle. The expectation is that 4680 will be for ONLY the performance (+LR?) models? If so, and if the SR uses "conventional" LiFePo4 prismatic cells, I would expect Fremont to produce those cars. (Lots of spare 2179 for powerwalls) The other option? A 4680 LiFePo4 cell. THAT solves all the problems.
I don’t know about others but someone showed me a car with very good performance, comfort, and high tech, then he opened the hood and there was nothing there, then he opened the trunk and that was empty as well, and that I have never seen before. The car was Tesla, truly an engineering marvel.
I believe there is one issue missed in this presentation. They refer to the "surprise" of which factory your car will come from as being revealed on delivery. Acutally prior to delivery you will be assigned a VIN for your car. The 11th charcter in that VIN identifies the factory "F" or "A" where the vehicle was built.
I am assuming that all of the latest innovations--high pressure injection moldings, advanced structural batteries and tray are not only improving product quality, but also reducing the cost of production. Given all this, I would expect these innovations to go into the C.A. factory very quickly.
Exactly. Although those giga-press machines take a very long time to build. Tesla currently has all orders in the world for them full for 5 years... So I hope it doesn't take too long. Side effect being you won't see any copy-cats. No one else can get ahold of these giant machines. Only one company on the world makes them.
@@Brian-jv8iy The giga press makes the car cheaper to build and the 4680s and structural battery pack will require fewer batteries to get the same range helping to bring the cost of the car down so that more people can afford it.
@@ggoebel6203 technically, yes. Although, if Tesla can't keep up with demand, they will have to keep the price high... they already have the best margins in the industry. It's why the other big companies pulled such a HUGE 180° on EVs recently. They saw those margins and thought "Oooooh. I want that." But they're too late lol
@@choski76 Thew video did mention at this time there is no way of knowing if your order is coming from Texas or Fremont. I guess shortly before delivery you will find out and cancel the order and start all over. The VIN# will have F or A for location.
I take delivery on a Model Y performance on February 12th coming from Fremont. I was torn between which I was looking forward to (prior to receiving the VIN number that shows where it's made). On the one hand having 4680s would have a lot of benefit as you mentioned in your video, and on the other hand there's something to be said for tried and true. In the end I guess I'm a little disappointed not to get the 4680s, but I'm extremely happy to be getting a Model Y. 🙂
I buy new cars almost every 2 year, so it's not like I will be stuck with my Fremont Y forever. I used to say hen it's time to change the oil its time to trade in and get a new car, I can't say that now. No oil : )
@@2BProductions I went back and checked my text messages and emails, and here's a timeline of how it all happened.... 9/17/2021 MYL order placed; expected delivery ?? (I don't remember the expected delivery date, but it was sometime about a year later?) 11/6: cancelled MYL order and MYP order placed (to get an earlier delivery date); expected delivery 1/9-2/14. 11/26: received text message asking me to set delivery date. Three-day window offered for selection (I don't remember the dates offered), and I chose to give up the VIN number to another customer (see below). 11/28: After two more text reminders to set delivery date, received this text message: "Tesla Update - As we have not received your selected delivery appointment, this vehicle will move on to the next customer. When you are ready to take delivery, please select "I'm Ready." in your Tesla Account." 1/5/2022: I selected "I'm ready." Expected delivery 2/9-3/9. 1/30: received text message asking me to set delivery date. Three-day window offered for selection (2/12-2/14), and I chose 2/12 to receive my MYP. And now as I just went into my account, I see that they want me to update my trade-in odometer reading as it's been a month since I did that last. So this may delay things? I don't know. We'll see what happens.
I’m in a similar situation. Placed an order for a MYLR in Oct. ‘21, and I’m in N.California. Expected delivery is mid March, but I don’t want the old batteries. My quandary is when will Fremont switch over to the 4680’s…. They’re made near Fremont. Or will Tesla let me take delivery in Austin, and when.? (A road trip to Austin would be cool).
@@EarlBalentine Why would you trade cars every two years? I do not understand that at all. You take a bath when you sell it, and paid a lot more for it new. If you bought a 2-year-old car and then sold it after 2 years that would be better. Seems a lot of Tesla owners do this. Constantly buying a new one and selling the old one, some of that is due to good resale value. But it just seems kind of ridiculous to me. I bought a 9-year-old Toyota 4 years ago for $2k, that had 200,000 miles on it, and I have put another 192,000 miles on it. And the operational costs for me are about $0.08 per mile that's fuel , all maintenance , and tires.
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Regarding the 4680 tabless design. I would use the analogy of a train full of passengers. If you open one door at each end of the train to disembark, it's going to create a bottleneck of passengers walking the length of the train. The 4680 is all doors open, short path to the exit. Fast, less energy used getting there.
Great video! This is the first time I've fully understood how the 4680 battery works (the bridge analogy was perfect) and how the structural pack pack is made up. Kudos 👌🏾
I'll wait for the Texas version . But my concern is the ride factor. They need improvement on the suspension and /or need to go to air ride like the X model.
@@EarlBalentine The air shocks for the Tesla Model S cost about $300 each to replace, if it's $1,200 retail for all four, I would think the manufacturer could charge even less for them. There are some aftermarket suppliers now for suspension also. I think most people just complain that the springs are a bit too stiff, this is probably to make the car handle well given its weight. But there's an awful lot of people that would trade a little bit of handling capability for a better ride.
In my country many Tesla owners exchange their suspension because they say it's too stiff and hard and doesn't show a good performance at higher speeds.
What a great problem to have - do I want the best, or the one that's better than the best? I think the only way they can avoid Osbourning the Fremont vehicles is to put a premium price and label on the TX models with all of the upgrades. They can call them Ludacris, Plaid, or Texas Edition or whatever and charge an extra $10K or something. They'll have to or else they will get a bunch of people who will reject the Fremont ones in favor of a TX one. It will be the most expensive car I have ever bought, by a country mile, but if the stock does okay over the next year or so, I plan to get two M Ys, and then trade in one of them for a CYBRTRK when it comes out.
Or they will just software lock range and performance to make Austin and Fremont cars the same, and then allow buyers of 4680 equipped models to unlock improved range and performance, just as is done today with Acceleration Boost?
I have also heard that the Texas-built Model Y will have an air suspension system, which could be a tremendous benefit for my situation, since my driveway has a somewhat steep incline compared to the street, and a Tesla Model 3 scrapes the bottom of the front body panel when entering/exiting the driveway onto the street. A Model Y (with only a driver inside) is very close to scraping the body as well, and would probably do so at a speed any faster than a turtle.
The average person buying a model Y would have no idea I don’t even think they care. Most of the people I talk to they don’t even realize Teslas are fully electric it’s amazing.
I'd be curious how the new battery pack impact the potential repairability of the battery pack. I wonder how they would repair or replace a cell or group of cells without replacing the whole thing. With the current battery system this is a huge hassle, but a pack of cells can feasibly be replaced. If this is a structural component of the car I would also be worried about having a very fancy paperweight if anything goes wrong out of warranty. It may have been addressed but I haven't seen or read anything about it.
They are really going full in on them outlasting the car with plans for batteries to last 1 million miles. Any damage to pack would likely be a full swap and the old pack Brocken down to cells and good ones recycled into grid storage packs
might have a mechanism similar to what's used on memory chips - the bad memory cells are mapped and avoided. The chip just uses the good cells no problem.
One of the reasons Tesla is using this new pack is because it’s much easier to access/remove from the vehicle. They are also totally changing the way things get installed and install the carpeting and seats on top of the pack before it goes into the car. That way the assemble operators don’t have to work inside the car. They do it on the battery pack and then it gets inserted in the vehicle from the bottom. Also, makes it much easier to service and quicker to drop the pack from underneath.
@@vvattup Actually the Chevrolet Bolt is definitely repairable. And Chevrolet will sell you the parts unlike Tesla. The Tesla packs can also be repaired at least in the Model S. Gruber automotive has some videos on repairs they have done. But in the Model S the battery is sectioned into different parts. You can't replace individual 18650 cells. But you can replace an entire section with a known good one. I don't know about The newer battery packs in Tesla's however. I think I saw on Sandy Monroe's video when he tore down the Tesla Model 3 and why that the battery packs are essentially completely glued together and you cannot separate the individual cells. If you want to see a complete tear down of a Chevrolet Bolt EV Weber Automotive on UA-cam has a great channel that deals with a bunch of different hybrid vehicles, and electrics also. He runs an automotive technical college, he's very detailed about theory of operation and disassembly. The Bolt EV is actually pretty easy to work on. You certainly would need a lift and a hydraulic table to get the battery pack out safely. But that's true on the Tesla as well. Once that battery packs out pretty easy to disassemble and get the components out.
I do NOT want a 4680 on my Model Y because it’s a Gen1 product and I do not want to deal with all the problems that comes with being a first adopter. Now, if I was ordering a Model Y in 2023 or 2024, sure. But now: not thanks!
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I do care which version I get. I've heard that the Western U.S. will get Model Y's from Fremont, and the Eastern U.S. will get Model Y's from Texas. I'm in FL and my delivery date for my MYLR just went from August to March 26th out of nowhere. When I checked the VIN however it was for a Fremont Model Y, so I called and had the VIN released to someone else. I suspect that same thing is how I wound up with that one. It rolled off the assembly line on March 7th. The whole reason I waited as long as I did to order (November 2021) was because I wanted the new battery tech. I'm willing to wait til August, or even later if it means I get that sweet 4680 goodness!
@@timsteinkamp2245 So once I was issued a new delivery window of August 4th - Sept 17th (which currently sits at Sept 6th - Oct 11th after getting pushed out twice), I came to terms with the fact that I'd probably end up with a 2170 version as 4680 production hasn't increased enough to produce more than the new standard range MY. On the bright side MYLR production is now underway in Giga Texas and I hear the build quality out of that facility is superb.
Elon said that the reason they don't make a really long range car is that it slows down the performance to have to drag around all that extra weight all the time.
For those that do not know this, if it has the letter "F" as the eleventh character of the VIN, then it is from Fremont. (Apologies if this was already mentioned, but for me the 265 comments as a whole were TLDR).
I think there are two ways to tell which kind of battery pack a Model Y has. 1. You can tell by the car’s VIN whether it was made in Austin or not. 2. You can tell by looking in the car’s manual where the lift points are on the frame. It’s different for 4680 packs.
You have no clue if the differences make a long-term difference. I live in Austin and rode in one of the first MYs off the gigaTexas production line almost a month ago. Very cool car and I agree very sexy tech. My guess is they will be similar and you won't know for a year if there is any noticable differences. Remember the Ys being produce now in Texas are using 4680s made at Keto. I'm guessing the 4680 line at Texas won't be fully functional for say another 3 months. Do you really want a car made with a NEW battery made in a NEW plant before the production line has worked out all the kinks?
The sales order agreement also says that once the order is placed not only would you lose the $250, but also Tesla says we agree that the $1,200 delivery fee is “”earned” and deemed liquidated damages they are entitled to if order is canceled/agreement breached…
If I was able to get a Texan made model over a Freemont, would I be able to? That’s the problem, will Tesla allow you to wait till one is available? And how long?
I canceled my Fremont Model Y order the other day and will wait for the 4680 Texas Y. Tesla sales has called me twice now asking if I am sure I want to do this. I will lose my $250 deposit but figure that by 2023 a Fremont Y will not be as good as an investment.
Just got my VIN today for my MYP, delivery Feb 19th. Based on the VIN, it's a Freemont build. I will delay or postpone this order, even if it's for 2 or 3 months to try and get the Texas built model. We all know fit and finish is still problematic at the Freemont factory, so the new build in Texas likely can't be that much worse. ! I want the lighter and more rigid car with newer battery design for longevity. Would be nice to see those ventilated seats show up, too!!
Should be faster charge rate and more time charging at the faster rate. Lower internal resistance coupled with a better thermal path should result in some pretty phenomenal charge times.
don't listen to these youtubers. in battery day, they said they are hopeful that they approach the charging rate of the 2170. The 4680 could peak with 250kw while the 2170 cells and Plaid could get the future 350kw charging
@@zodiacfml Below from an inside EVs article. At 85 deg F ambient, calculated charging time from 10% to 80% with the 4680 pack was reduced from 25 minutes to 15 minutes. If you only need a 50% charge, you can be done in 7 minutes. That’s almost as fast as gas.
My new Model Y is supposed to be delivered this August which I ordered last November. Originally I was ok with getting the 2170 cells because I was happy to upgrade from my 2014 MS. Because of all the delays I’m kinda hoping to get one made in Gigafactory Texas just wanting “the latest and the greatest “. Either way I’m excited for my new car. George (my MS) was good to me but I’m definitely looking forward to my Y (yet to be named).
Let me know when you get your Vin, I ordered mine in December and it was produced in Fremont. Thinking of canceling and re-ordering since I live in Texas
@@jedashford8579 Two reasons. Don't forget SpaceX. Admittingly, more for business practical political reasons than logistics. Though, I do not expect Tesla to leave Fremont. That would be bad politics too.
I ordered a model Y in October to lock in my price & hope to get the new battery's when they come out. And now that they have, my delivery in the next few weeks may be that new model Y. I will reject delivery if it's not a Texas built. No rush to get a new car, especially when the resale value will be much higher when all their new cars have the new battery's in the future.
You are incorrect about the new Model S and Model X.. Please watch the Monroe Live channel. He is doing the breakdown and analysis. While not structurally impressive as Model Y, there is a lot of new innovation there. Your statement is a bit misleading.
We love all aspects of our brand new, Shanghai made, UK registered Model Y Long Range on standard 19inch rims, except for one potentially fatal flaw - NVH (Noise, Vibration and Harshness) of the Model Y designs of Giga castings are still in serious doubt, in our view. OEM's of ICE vehicles have had to give serious design attention to isolating NVH from rear suspension sub-frames on their vehicles, such as in the BMW X5, as just one example. We have loved the almost 2 years now of Model 3 Long Range ownership. We are also Tesla shareholders and have a reservation on a Model X Plaid so, we could be called Tesla fans. However, we collected our brand new, UK Model Y Long Range last Wednesday, 23rd February 2022, to run alongside our Model 3. From the Shanghai Giga factory, our Model Y seems to have a rear aluminium die-cast, Giga casting and pressed steel fabricated front frame. Driving back from the NEC to Loughborough, the Model Y had horribly loud, low frequency sound pressure wave booming in the cabin, caused by either, some manufacturing fault(s) or by design, inadequate NVH isolation of the rear suspension and Giga cast chassis frame from the cabin, as the tyres run on the road surface. We get headaches and ear pain from this loud, low frequency, resonating booming - even at low speed, each time we drive this Model Y. The car also seems to be so harshly suspended and so unsettled on the road, that even on basic Autopilot and without turning the wheel at all, it fidgets from side to side at speed and makes us feel nauseous - something we have never experienced before in any vehicle and certainly, not in our excellent Model 3 Long Range. The booming, deep reverberation, amplified within the cabin volume as the suspension crashes over bumps, is like having the bass turned up high at a rock concert and the drummer giving it special attention every time a rear wheel drums over a road imperfection. Tesla UK Sales say that "as the car is obviously not for us" they can only offer a full refund and that we should return it to Tesla. Tesla Service have been persuaded to cut their initial waiting time of 1 month to Friday this week, for us to demonstrate this problem to them.Tesla owner's forums seem to regard this as a common Model Y fault. We love our Model 3 that seems not to have any Giga castings and certainly, does not display any of these awful symptoms. But, we draw the line at having had to pay £55,000 for a Model Y Long Range, to suffer so much unpleasantness as for it to be undriveable by us. Even ear plugs don't seem to help much, as the bass reverberation seems to resonate within one's skull. Until finally resolved by Tesla, the car is just a very expensive piece of driveway art. After waiting so long for the Model Y to be available in the UK, we are very disappointed so far. So for us, we feel that the jury is out on the whole question of whether NVH of Giga cast chassis frames, as currently designed, manufactured and supplied by Tesla, actually give an acceptable quality of vehicle to the end user, despite the obvious manufacturing cost and efficiency benefits to Tesla.
I ordered my MY LR FSD in October with original delivery sometime in March. I’m in the Philadelphia area. Recently my delivery was changed to early May?? Austin or Freemont ?? Any guesses??
If they just keep the range the same by not using as many 4680 batteries, yeah the charging might not be as fast but other than that the other advantages aren’t massive unless the speed and charging, safety… etc is massively increased but I guess we don’t know those numbers yet either
@@MM-bw1lo I wouldn’t be so sure, they can fit higher density batteries into the same area so yeah they could add range if they want to, but probably drop the ammount of batteries and keep the same range but some other specs will be boosted like charging time and speed and possibly who knows what else , batteries play a big role in charging, speed, voltage, and range … I guess we will just wait and see Thanks for your opinion!!
One likely way to ensure routing your order to Austin will be the color selection. The new paint shop in Austin will be able to offer the three new shades that are not likely to be supported by the primitive paint shop in Fremont. In fact, the cost of upgrading Fremont to match Austin's build capability could be extremely prohibitive. I can't wait to see the new options (and prices) in the configurator around March! BTW -- one other improvement the video missed is the 10% weight reduction Elon mentioned on Battery Day due to the structural battery pack and 4680's reducing the need for additional steel bracing currently required.
Great video! Tesla should quickly ramp up production in Texas and then flip a switch and turn off production in California. Then do an event highlighting all of the changes and updates to the “new model Y“. Then they can use the space in the California plant to adequately ramp up production of the new model S and X
Model S & X have changed a lot with the new refresh. Sandy Monroe has been doing a teardown of a new Model S, check it out maybe. They're very impressed with the improvements over the old version.
They largely have castings for the front and rear of the car just not one piece yet. The difference in this part of the car isn't what really matters its the batterys. But they will increase the cost of the Texas model because of the new batteries and the casting. Meanwhile they will work to get Texas volume as high as possible and shut down Freemont to change the production to the new design.
I think they will about half way through this year. And it will probably come from Fremont factory. Watch for them to update the Tesla webpage with different ranges and 0-60 times, then you'll know.
This gave me so much anxiety. I ordered my model Y last year in october and expected delivery is march. Should I cancel and wait even longer for the new battery or will I get a Fremont tesla even after I wait?
If you are on the east you are much more likely to get the new Model Y since it would be cheaper to ship from Texas. So if you are not on the east, it might not go your way even if you delay
I ordered my Model Y in October as well, but immediately paused it until late December. When I unpaused, they gave me a delivery estimate between February 9th and March 9th, 2022. Then about 2 weeks ago I got the VIN number for my Model Y and scheduled a delivery date for February 12th next weekend. The VIN number shows it's coming from Fremont. Hope this is a data point that is useful to you.
@@stevevergenz7824 How did you "pause" your delivery? Did you specify how long the pause was? Any price change? Did the SA say you order might be canceled?
I live in Georgia. First, my model Y delivery was to be in August. Then they said March 2 - 30. Then they switched it to September. I was glad for the delay because I want the car out of Texas. They say the 11th digit of the American model Y will either be a for Austin or f for Fremont. If that is the case, I am looking for an a. If I get an f, I will delay delivery, get another serial number, which hopefully will have the a in the 11th position.
Got a may - June est delivery date on the east coast, I honestly don’t know why it’s taking this long rather just get a Fremont built one ordered in September sigh
mine getting delivered on August and honestly I'm very grateful I can afford one and don't really care honestly where it is coming from as long as it will be reliable :)
Man I ordered mine July 21 but I could only buy it 2 weeks ago. My y performance is 2022 and will arrive to me on March 1st and I’m very excited to know which version is mine, praying to be Texas’.
My MY long range was scheduled to be delivered early Feb. Timeline has been moved to late Feb/early March. I hope that’s because it will come from Austin but only after the factory is cleared for production by regulators. Hope hope hope.
My model Y LR is scheduled tor April 27 - May 25. I'm hoping that before that some questions get answered. Will Texas MY have more range? Will it cost the same? Depending on the answers I may choose to delay or cancel and re-order.
@Subscribifi I live in the mountain west, where superchargers sometimes more than 100 miles apart and I intend to occasionally pull a small trailer, so range is VERY important to me. If they are planning on making an “Extra Long Range” model Y using 4680s I would probably wait for that even if I means waiting a year.
I ordered my Model Y in October, but immediately paused it until late December. When I unpaused, they gave me a delivery estimate between February 9th and March 9th, 2022. Then about 2 weeks ago I got the VIN number for my Model Y and scheduled a delivery date for February 12th next weekend. The VIN number shows it's coming from Fremont.
Have a model y performance ordered delivered date keeps moving up. Originally it was set to deliver in April then end of March now its say beginning of March. I wonder if I'm moving up because people are postponing or are they making more model y then expected. I'm In the east coast so hopefully it will be a Austin car
Well Elon has said that Austin will serve the east coast. So where do you live? If its west coast you'll probably have to wait until Fremont is converted over.
At the last earnings call, Elon said LFP chemistry is not optimal for 4680 form factor. 4680 will only have lithium/Nickel or Lithium/Manganese chemistry for Max benefit
Yup, waiting over 6 mos now for a Model Y. I’ve spent $5k repairing my old ICE car in the past 7 mos. I can only wait so long before I have to buy something else. Fortunately, there are more choices now, so I’m not sweating it. If I still don’t get a delivery by fall (one year waiting) I will buy something else. Probably a Subaru EV. Or a Toyota, or a Hyundai, or …
Model Y LR due Feb25-Mar25 in NY. After all the waiting and research I must have an Austin built Y. I will play the game of delaying delivery if I have to. I’m keeping my fingers crossed 😊
I live in Texas and purchased a MY in August of last year. My rep told me that the ones coming out of Austin are the for the east coast only. Freemont will be making for Texas and other states. So yeah, your prob gonna get one from Austin
Ive been delaying my MYP since 12/5 ordered 11/6. First it was for BBbetter tax credit hopes. Now its for 4680. I will not accept any 2160 car at this point as I am betting resale value of the new versions could be 5 to 15k more valuable vs the older model. They may reduce battery volume to compensate for the higher energy density and with programming the new car may not be any faster. But it would be lighter. I estimate 180lbs lighter as there was some paperwork for a increase for the model Y in payload capacity. Honestly they should just make the range and power better then they can justify the newer higher price because its a bit high now without the 7500$ rebate vs EV6 or Ionic5 models which are already cheaper. Plus batter life is huge potential difference. 4680 likely good for one million miles of life. thats like a 10 or 20k value over those miles if it holds true.
Good luck to you man. Where are you located? That will also play big part especially in beginning. I also hear you can only delay for so long.. 🤞 do you have vin# yet?
I believe the plan is to ramp up Texas, then retool Fremont for the new cells and castings. The cant afford to take Fremont off line for major changes until Texas is running at a good clip. Chip shortage might actually help in this instance - Texas can take all or most of the chip slack when Fremont is down. Limiting the impact of taking a factory out of production.
I think you are on the right track. I also believe that in the interim that Tesla will distinguish the Texas units from the Fremont units with a different range and price to accomplish whatever transition order balance they need. I don't think people will put up with the chance of getting two radically different cars at the same price. They'll go to another state to order the one they want if they have to. It would just totally piss people off to get a lesser model but pay the same price so I don't think this is a good idea not to distinguish them. Tesla should not put impediments in the way of getting the longer range vehicle with the front and rear castings. Just make a temporary newer version with longer range and higher price and ship the ones from TX to where ever people want them as long as they are willing to pay more. When all the vehicles have both castings and the 4680, then obsolete the interim version.
@@brianbeasley7270 or they stop MY in CA and do 3 instead
@@aklnz1234 Yep. That is a reasonable thing to do but there will be a period where they don't have Texas ramped enough to supply the demand for Model Y so both will need to build Model Y for a while. My best guess is that they will create a new version--Ultra Long Range (ULR) which will be the model from Texas and it will be at a premium for a while until they can ramp. Then eventually they will either have Fremont building with front and rear casting and 4680 also or transition it to LFP versions. I don't see any way it isn't going to be an issue during the ramp so hopefully that will be a very fast ramp.
Fremont currently uses all 2170.
That's a different *car body* to the 4680 vehicle.
The expectation is that 4680 will be for ONLY the performance (+LR?) models?
If so, and if the SR uses "conventional" LiFePo4 prismatic cells, I would expect Fremont to produce those cars.
(Lots of spare 2179 for powerwalls)
The other option? A 4680 LiFePo4 cell.
THAT solves all the problems.
Texas will ramp up with structural battery packs and 2170 cells. Mid-year it will start up the structural battery packs and 4680 cells.
I don’t know about others but someone showed me a car with very good performance, comfort, and high tech, then he opened the hood and there was nothing there, then he opened the trunk and that was empty as well, and that I have never seen before. The car was Tesla, truly an engineering marvel.
I believe there is one issue missed in this presentation. They refer to the "surprise" of which factory your car will come from as being revealed on delivery. Acutally prior to delivery you will be assigned a VIN for your car. The 11th charcter in that VIN identifies the factory "F" or "A" where the vehicle was built.
I am assuming that all of the latest innovations--high pressure injection moldings, advanced structural batteries and tray are not only improving product quality, but also reducing the cost of production. Given all this, I would expect these innovations to go into the C.A. factory very quickly.
Exactly. Although those giga-press machines take a very long time to build. Tesla currently has all orders in the world for them full for 5 years... So I hope it doesn't take too long. Side effect being you won't see any copy-cats. No one else can get ahold of these giant machines. Only one company on the world makes them.
@@Brian-jv8iy HI Brian, Are you are taking issue with other contents in the video? They were not made by me. I have a great deal of respect for Tesla.
@@Brian-jv8iy The giga press makes the car cheaper to build and the 4680s and structural battery pack will require fewer batteries to get the same range helping to bring the cost of the car down so that more people can afford it.
@@ggoebel6203 technically, yes. Although, if Tesla can't keep up with demand, they will have to keep the price high... they already have the best margins in the industry. It's why the other big companies pulled such a HUGE 180° on EVs recently. They saw those margins and thought "Oooooh. I want that."
But they're too late lol
I believe there are far less problems with the new process than the old.
This channel is becoming a favorite of mine. Love your clarity and presentation. 😬
There is literally no video that helps make all the changes make sense to the average guy like this. Really well done
I will definitely only accept a Texas Gigafactory built Model Y. And yes I have already ordered mine.
I'm not sure you can tell Tesla where you want your car from.
@Subscribifi They have figured out all the problems that's why all the fixes are being implemented in Texas.
@@choski76 Thew video did mention at this time there is no way of knowing if your order is coming from Texas or Fremont. I guess shortly before delivery you will find out and cancel the order and start all over. The VIN# will have F or A for location.
Hi sorry I've just come off the phone with Tesla and they said you are getting a MY from Fremont
@@choski76 you can’t
I take delivery on a Model Y performance on February 12th coming from Fremont. I was torn between which I was looking forward to (prior to receiving the VIN number that shows where it's made). On the one hand having 4680s would have a lot of benefit as you mentioned in your video, and on the other hand there's something to be said for tried and true. In the end I guess I'm a little disappointed not to get the 4680s, but I'm extremely happy to be getting a Model Y. 🙂
I buy new cars almost every 2 year, so it's not like I will be stuck with my Fremont Y forever. I used to say hen it's time to change the oil its time to trade in and get a new car, I can't say that now. No oil : )
Out of curiosity, if you take delivery on Feb 12 for your MYP, when did you make your order?
@@2BProductions I went back and checked my text messages and emails, and here's a timeline of how it all happened....
9/17/2021 MYL order placed; expected delivery ?? (I don't remember the expected delivery date, but it was sometime about a year later?)
11/6: cancelled MYL order and MYP order placed (to get an earlier delivery date); expected delivery 1/9-2/14.
11/26: received text message asking me to set delivery date. Three-day window offered for selection (I don't remember the dates offered), and I chose to give up the VIN number to another customer (see below).
11/28: After two more text reminders to set delivery date, received this text message: "Tesla Update - As we have not received your selected delivery appointment, this vehicle will move on to the next customer. When you are ready to take delivery, please select "I'm Ready." in your Tesla Account."
1/5/2022: I selected "I'm ready." Expected delivery 2/9-3/9.
1/30: received text message asking me to set delivery date. Three-day window offered for selection (2/12-2/14), and I chose 2/12 to receive my MYP.
And now as I just went into my account, I see that they want me to update my trade-in odometer reading as it's been a month since I did that last. So this may delay things? I don't know. We'll see what happens.
I’m in a similar situation. Placed an order for a MYLR in Oct. ‘21, and I’m in N.California. Expected delivery is mid March, but I don’t want the old batteries. My quandary is when will Fremont switch over to the 4680’s…. They’re made near Fremont. Or will Tesla let me take delivery in Austin, and when.? (A road trip to Austin would be cool).
@@EarlBalentine
Why would you trade cars every two years? I do not understand that at all. You take a bath when you sell it, and paid a lot more for it new. If you bought a 2-year-old car and then sold it after 2 years that would be better.
Seems a lot of Tesla owners do this. Constantly buying a new one and selling the old one, some of that is due to good resale value. But it just seems kind of ridiculous to me. I bought a 9-year-old Toyota 4 years ago for $2k, that had 200,000 miles on it, and I have put another 192,000 miles on it.
And the operational costs for me are about $0.08 per mile that's fuel , all maintenance , and tires.
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Regarding the 4680 tabless design.
I would use the analogy of a train full of passengers.
If you open one door at each end of the train to disembark, it's going to create a bottleneck of passengers walking the length of the train.
The 4680 is all doors open, short path to the exit.
Fast, less energy used getting there.
Yep, good analogy.
Great video!
This is the first time I've fully understood how the 4680 battery works (the bridge analogy was perfect) and how the structural pack pack is made up. Kudos 👌🏾
See my comment elsewhere.
I'll wait for the Texas version . But my concern is the ride factor. They need improvement on the suspension and /or need to go to air ride like the X model.
Air ride on a gas car is usually a $2000 option. Maybe Tesla can make air ride an option some day.
Agreed, but why does everyone think it needs to be as complicated as a full air suspension. Magnetic dampers could do the job a hell of a lot cheaper.
@@EarlBalentine Make it standard which will lower the cost per unit. Not that I expect Elon to listen to me LOL 😀
@@EarlBalentine
The air shocks for the Tesla Model S cost about $300 each to replace, if it's $1,200 retail for all four, I would think the manufacturer could charge even less for them.
There are some aftermarket suppliers now for suspension also. I think most people just complain that the springs are a bit too stiff, this is probably to make the car handle well given its weight. But there's an awful lot of people that would trade a little bit of handling capability for a better ride.
In my country many Tesla owners exchange their suspension because they say it's too stiff and hard and doesn't show a good performance at higher speeds.
What a great problem to have - do I want the best, or the one that's better than the best? I think the only way they can avoid Osbourning the Fremont vehicles is to put a premium price and label on the TX models with all of the upgrades. They can call them Ludacris, Plaid, or Texas Edition or whatever and charge an extra $10K or something. They'll have to or else they will get a bunch of people who will reject the Fremont ones in favor of a TX one. It will be the most expensive car I have ever bought, by a country mile, but if the stock does okay over the next year or so, I plan to get two M Ys, and then trade in one of them for a CYBRTRK when it comes out.
Or they will just software lock range and performance to make Austin and Fremont cars the same, and then allow buyers of 4680 equipped models to unlock improved range and performance, just as is done today with Acceleration Boost?
@@ericg1310 You had to put that in Tesla's head : )
@@ericg1310 for sure. Good idea.
Tesla is still so so underrated!!!
Your no-nonsense reports are quite refreshing.
I have also heard that the Texas-built Model Y will have an air suspension system, which could be a tremendous benefit for my situation, since my driveway has a somewhat steep incline compared to the street, and a Tesla Model 3 scrapes the bottom of the front body panel when entering/exiting the driveway onto the street. A Model Y (with only a driver inside) is very close to scraping the body as well, and would probably do so at a speed any faster than a turtle.
Me too. I always look at ground clearance figures before buying a car.
Same issues here, however the air suspension is just a rumor for future Ys.
Another awesome video dude!! Where in Canada are you located?
The average person buying a model Y would have no idea I don’t even think they care.
Most of the people I talk to they don’t even realize Teslas are fully electric it’s amazing.
I'd be curious how the new battery pack impact the potential repairability of the battery pack. I wonder how they would repair or replace a cell or group of cells without replacing the whole thing. With the current battery system this is a huge hassle, but a pack of cells can feasibly be replaced. If this is a structural component of the car I would also be worried about having a very fancy paperweight if anything goes wrong out of warranty. It may have been addressed but I haven't seen or read anything about it.
They are really going full in on them outlasting the car with plans for batteries to last 1 million miles. Any damage to pack would likely be a full swap and the old pack Brocken down to cells and good ones recycled into grid storage packs
might have a mechanism similar to what's used on memory chips - the bad memory cells are mapped and avoided. The chip just uses the good cells no problem.
Repairability? Clearly you don’t own a Tesla and know nothing about Tesla’s batteries. You must be thinking of the Chevy Bolt.
One of the reasons Tesla is using this new pack is because it’s much easier to access/remove from the vehicle. They are also totally changing the way things get installed and install the carpeting and seats on top of the pack before it goes into the car. That way the assemble operators don’t have to work inside the car. They do it on the battery pack and then it gets inserted in the vehicle from the bottom. Also, makes it much easier to service and quicker to drop the pack from underneath.
@@vvattup
Actually the Chevrolet Bolt is definitely repairable. And Chevrolet will sell you the parts unlike Tesla.
The Tesla packs can also be repaired at least in the Model S.
Gruber automotive has some videos on repairs they have done. But in the Model S the battery is sectioned into different parts. You can't replace individual 18650 cells. But you can replace an entire section with a known good one.
I don't know about The newer battery packs in Tesla's however. I think I saw on Sandy Monroe's video when he tore down the Tesla Model 3 and why that the battery packs are essentially completely glued together and you cannot separate the individual cells.
If you want to see a complete tear down of a Chevrolet Bolt EV
Weber Automotive on UA-cam has a great channel that deals with a bunch of different hybrid vehicles, and electrics also. He runs an automotive technical college, he's very detailed about theory of operation and disassembly.
The Bolt EV is actually pretty easy to work on. You certainly would need a lift and a hydraulic table to get the battery pack out safely. But that's true on the Tesla as well. Once that battery packs out pretty easy to disassemble and get the components out.
Model Y from Austin for the Win! I'm hoping my December Model Y dual-motor also has v4 FSD hardware as well.
Hi sorry I've just come off the phone with Tesla and they said you are getting a MY from Vermont
@@Professor-Scientist Ha, ha!
Will the revised Model Y have air suspension?
I do NOT want a 4680 on my Model Y because it’s a Gen1 product and I do not want to deal with all the problems that comes with being a first adopter. Now, if I was ordering a Model Y in 2023 or 2024, sure. But now: not thanks!
Yes I would reject the California built Tesla
Lol ok
YOU MAY BE THE ONLY ONE WHO PROVIDES "REAL BEEF" TO THE VAUABLE TESLA INFORMATION THAT WE VIEWERS ALWAYS LOOKING FOR. HATS OFF TO YOUR VERY DEEP & ANALYTICAL PRESENTATION OF THE FACTS (AS YOU SEE IT).
I do care which version I get. I've heard that the Western U.S. will get Model Y's from Fremont, and the Eastern U.S. will get Model Y's from Texas. I'm in FL and my delivery date for my MYLR just went from August to March 26th out of nowhere. When I checked the VIN however it was for a Fremont Model Y, so I called and had the VIN released to someone else. I suspect that same thing is how I wound up with that one. It rolled off the assembly line on March 7th. The whole reason I waited as long as I did to order (November 2021) was because I wanted the new battery tech. I'm willing to wait til August, or even later if it means I get that sweet 4680 goodness!
Do you have an update?
@@timsteinkamp2245 So once I was issued a new delivery window of August 4th - Sept 17th (which currently sits at Sept 6th - Oct 11th after getting pushed out twice), I came to terms with the fact that I'd probably end up with a 2170 version as 4680 production hasn't increased enough to produce more than the new standard range MY. On the bright side MYLR production is now underway in Giga Texas and I hear the build quality out of that facility is superb.
@@RozeAbove I think the giga press models are very compelling too. I'm not sure what I'm going to do in ordering one. Most likely next year.
Is the 4680 larger or smaller than a D cell for comparison ?
Real question will there be less batteries to maintain current range instead of giving a longer range model y. I'm wanting a 400mi Y.
Elon said that the reason they don't make a really long range car is that it slows down the performance to have to drag around all that extra weight all the time.
For those that do not know this, if it has the letter "F" as the eleventh character of the VIN, then it is from Fremont. (Apologies if this was already mentioned, but for me the 265 comments as a whole were TLDR).
Thanks for the reminder. If I get an F car, I’ll cancel & reorder from the East Coast.
Well done
Is there a place in the system that will help new owners identify what battery is installed?
I think there are two ways to tell which kind of battery pack a Model Y has.
1. You can tell by the car’s VIN whether it was made in Austin or not.
2. You can tell by looking in the car’s manual where the lift points are on the frame. It’s different for 4680 packs.
@@jeffg4570 4860 cells will be in Fremont cars also.
You have no clue if the differences make a long-term difference. I live in Austin and rode in one of the first MYs off the gigaTexas production line almost a month ago. Very cool car and I agree very sexy tech. My guess is they will be similar and you won't know for a year if there is any noticable differences. Remember the Ys being produce now in Texas are using 4680s made at Keto. I'm guessing the 4680 line at Texas won't be fully functional for say another 3 months. Do you really want a car made with a NEW battery made in a NEW plant before the production line has worked out all the kinks?
You think if i order one now I would get one with the new batteries??
The sales order agreement also says that once the order is placed not only would you lose the $250, but also Tesla says we agree that the $1,200 delivery fee is “”earned” and deemed liquidated damages they are entitled to if order is canceled/agreement breached…
If I was able to get a Texan made model over a Freemont, would I be able to? That’s the problem, will Tesla allow you to wait till one is available? And how long?
I am expecting delivery of my new model y I September. Can I opt to take delivery at the Austin TX factory?
how do cells get replaced
If I order model y now, will I get the Texas built?
Wow what an informative video! Thanks.
I canceled my Fremont Model Y order the other day and will wait for the 4680 Texas Y. Tesla sales has called me twice now asking if I am sure I want to do this. I will lose my $250 deposit but figure that by 2023 a Fremont Y will not be as good as an investment.
Just got my VIN today for my MYP, delivery Feb 19th. Based on the VIN, it's a Freemont build. I will delay or postpone this order, even if it's for 2 or 3 months to try and get the Texas built model. We all know fit and finish is still problematic at the Freemont factory, so the new build in Texas likely can't be that much worse. ! I want the lighter and more rigid car with newer battery design for longevity. Would be nice to see those ventilated seats show up, too!!
How do you delay delivery?
When did you place order?
@@i-vdg I placed one about a month ago w July delivery
@@GohanSaru I meant to ask @Andrew Lindsay you can hold by calling your representative.
I think I read somewhere that you can only delay for 30 days. Is that true?
Have a Model Y on order for almost one year and and pushed out the delivery date to June 2022. Will ONLY accept a Modey Y from the Texas plant.
Good luck with that Mark. You have no choice........
Should be faster charge rate and more time charging at the faster rate. Lower internal resistance coupled with a better thermal path should result in some pretty phenomenal charge times.
don't listen to these youtubers. in battery day, they said they are hopeful that they approach the charging rate of the 2170. The 4680 could peak with 250kw while the 2170 cells and Plaid could get the future 350kw charging
@@zodiacfml
Below from an inside EVs article.
At 85 deg F ambient, calculated charging time from 10% to 80% with the 4680 pack was reduced from 25 minutes to 15 minutes. If you only need a 50% charge, you can be done in 7 minutes. That’s almost as fast as gas.
@@zodiacfml
You don't have a clue.
@@rogerstarkey5390 i dont even have to prove you are wrong
My new Model Y is supposed to be delivered this August which I ordered last November. Originally I was ok with getting the 2170 cells because I was happy to upgrade from my 2014 MS. Because of all the delays I’m kinda hoping to get one made in Gigafactory Texas just wanting “the latest and the greatest “. Either way I’m excited for my new car. George (my MS) was good to me but I’m definitely looking forward to my Y (yet to be named).
Just put an order last month, delivery expected in August 🤞🤞🤞
hopefully getting the new 4680 and the new Ryzen Processor
There is no model Y 4680 from Berlin?
I wish they would announce what the spec's are for Texas
Just ordered a model y long range with a delivery in august. Will it have the 4680 batteries?
I’m expecting my MYP mid Feb to mid Mar. I’ll update with where it was built when I receive my VIN. I live in Texas. I’m hoping for an Austin build.
Let me know when you get your Vin, I ordered mine in December and it was produced in Fremont. Thinking of canceling and re-ordering since I live in Texas
@@hadenroberts2980 will do. I’m thinking a should receive my VIN around end of this month.
@@hadenroberts2980 did you order a YP or YLR? When did you get your VIN? I ordered mine on Dec 1 2021.
Fremont would be a perfect export hub for the model Y and Texas handles only the Domestic supply
As a Canadian, this made me sad.
Fremont California? Elon left for a reason.
@@jedashford8579
Two reasons. Don't forget SpaceX. Admittingly, more for business practical political reasons than logistics.
Though, I do not expect Tesla to leave Fremont. That would be bad politics too.
@@jasonl2645 I assume he meant because California has such large shipping ports.
I ordered a model Y in October to lock in my price & hope to get the new battery's when they come out. And now that they have, my delivery in the next few weeks may be that new model Y. I will reject delivery if it's not a Texas built. No rush to get a new car, especially when the resale value will be much higher when all their new cars have the new battery's in the future.
Just been advised that my MY is available early March …
Do I cancel ?
Which one did you get?
You are incorrect about the new Model S and Model X.. Please watch the Monroe Live channel. He is doing the breakdown and analysis. While not structurally impressive as Model Y, there is a lot of new innovation there. Your statement is a bit misleading.
It would be nice if the 4680 will allow dual supercharger where two chargers load
I just ordered a model Y and am expecting delivery July/Aug. Is there anyway to confirm which factory mine is coming from?
Is it possible to use an address near Texas & pick it up there? I’m in California but considering changing the delivery address for this
My thought exactly. Just set something up so that delivery is in Texas, even if I had to drive it back to California.
We love all aspects of our brand new, Shanghai made, UK registered Model Y Long Range on standard 19inch rims, except for one potentially fatal flaw - NVH (Noise, Vibration and Harshness) of the Model Y designs of Giga castings are still in serious doubt, in our view. OEM's of ICE vehicles have had to give serious design attention to isolating NVH from rear suspension sub-frames on their vehicles, such as in the BMW X5, as just one example. We have loved the almost 2 years now of Model 3 Long Range ownership. We are also Tesla shareholders and have a reservation on a Model X Plaid so, we could be called Tesla fans. However, we collected our brand new, UK Model Y Long Range last Wednesday, 23rd February 2022, to run alongside our Model 3. From the Shanghai Giga factory, our Model Y seems to have a rear aluminium die-cast, Giga casting and pressed steel fabricated front frame. Driving back from the NEC to Loughborough, the Model Y had horribly loud, low frequency sound pressure wave booming in the cabin, caused by either, some manufacturing fault(s) or by design, inadequate NVH isolation of the rear suspension and Giga cast chassis frame from the cabin, as the tyres run on the road surface. We get headaches and ear pain from this loud, low frequency, resonating booming - even at low speed, each time we drive this Model Y.
The car also seems to be so harshly suspended and so unsettled on the road, that even on basic Autopilot and without turning the wheel at all, it fidgets from side to side at speed and makes us feel nauseous - something we have never experienced before in any vehicle and certainly, not in our excellent Model 3 Long Range.
The booming, deep reverberation, amplified within the cabin volume as the suspension crashes over bumps, is like having the bass turned up high at a rock concert and the drummer giving it special attention every time a rear wheel drums over a road imperfection.
Tesla UK Sales say that "as the car is obviously not for us" they can only offer a full refund and that we should return it to Tesla. Tesla Service have been persuaded to cut their initial waiting time of 1 month to Friday this week, for us to demonstrate this problem to them.Tesla owner's forums seem to regard this as a common Model Y fault. We love our Model 3 that seems not to have any Giga castings and certainly, does not display any of these awful symptoms.
But, we draw the line at having had to pay £55,000 for a Model Y Long Range, to suffer so much unpleasantness as for it to be undriveable by us. Even ear plugs don't seem to help much, as the bass reverberation seems to resonate within one's skull. Until finally resolved by Tesla, the car is just a very expensive piece of driveway art.
After waiting so long for the Model Y to be available in the UK, we are very disappointed so far.
So for us, we feel that the jury is out on the whole question of whether NVH of Giga cast chassis frames, as currently designed, manufactured and supplied by Tesla, actually give an acceptable quality of vehicle to the end user, despite the obvious manufacturing cost and efficiency benefits to Tesla.
Would you prefer the old MY out of Fremont??
I ordered my MY LR FSD in October with original delivery sometime in March.
I’m in the Philadelphia area. Recently my delivery was changed to early May??
Austin or Freemont ?? Any guesses??
This was so incredibly great. Fantastic job. Subscribed.
I definitely would prefer the Texas model.
Holding out for a Texas built Y
If they just keep the range the same by not using as many 4680 batteries, yeah the charging might not be as fast but other than that the other advantages aren’t massive unless the speed and charging, safety… etc is massively increased but I guess we don’t know those numbers yet either
@@MM-bw1lo I wouldn’t be so sure, they can fit higher density batteries into the same area so yeah they could add range if they want to, but probably drop the ammount of batteries and keep the same range but some other specs will be boosted like charging time and speed and possibly who knows what else , batteries play a big role in charging, speed, voltage, and range … I guess we will just wait and see
Thanks for your opinion!!
One likely way to ensure routing your order to Austin will be the color selection. The new paint shop in Austin will be able to offer the three new shades that are not likely to be supported by the primitive paint shop in Fremont. In fact, the cost of upgrading Fremont to match Austin's build capability could be extremely prohibitive. I can't wait to see the new options (and prices) in the configurator around March! BTW -- one other improvement the video missed is the 10% weight reduction Elon mentioned on Battery Day due to the structural battery pack and 4680's reducing the need for additional steel bracing currently required.
Any idea if/when the 4680 battery will make it to the model 3?
Last half of this year, is best guess, based on comments from Elon. Model 3s will be made in Fremont, and Model Ys in Austin.
Great video! Tesla should quickly ramp up production in Texas and then flip a switch and turn off production in California. Then do an event highlighting all of the changes and updates to the “new model Y“. Then they can use the space in the California plant to adequately ramp up production of the new model S and X
At about 4:40 in this video you refer to supercharger power levels in kilowatt hours. These are the wrong units. They are kilowatts.
Model S & X have changed a lot with the new refresh. Sandy Monroe has been doing a teardown of a new Model S, check it out maybe. They're very impressed with the improvements over the old version.
They largely have castings for the front and rear of the car just not one piece yet. The difference in this part of the car isn't what really matters its the batterys. But they will increase the cost of the Texas model because of the new batteries and the casting. Meanwhile they will work to get Texas volume as high as possible and shut down Freemont to change the production to the new design.
🤗THANKS FOR SHARING THIS WITH US 🤩🤩😍😍😍
Will they be offering this battery on future model 3s?
I think they will about half way through this year. And it will probably come from Fremont factory. Watch for them to update the Tesla webpage with different ranges and 0-60 times, then you'll know.
OK so that was arguably one of the best run downs of a tesla I've ever heard . Amazing video sir.
This gave me so much anxiety. I ordered my model Y last year in october and expected delivery is march. Should I cancel and wait even longer for the new battery or will I get a Fremont tesla even after I wait?
If you are on the east you are much more likely to get the new Model Y since it would be cheaper to ship from Texas. So if you are not on the east, it might not go your way even if you delay
I ordered my Model Y in October as well, but immediately paused it until late December. When I unpaused, they gave me a delivery estimate between February 9th and March 9th, 2022. Then about 2 weeks ago I got the VIN number for my Model Y and scheduled a delivery date for February 12th next weekend. The VIN number shows it's coming from Fremont. Hope this is a data point that is useful to you.
@@stevevergenz7824 How did you "pause" your delivery? Did you specify how long the pause was? Any price change? Did the SA say you order might be canceled?
I hope this new battery will make the Model Y performance even more performant!! Even more acceleration!
This mean cars delivered will come with actual brake pads?
Hi I’m
Still waiting on mine delivery is11-27-22 ordered June -2022 not sure I get 2022 or 2023 model
Y . I ordered metallic paint color
Great video. Thanks for explaining. I will def wait to buy mine.
I live in Georgia. First, my model Y delivery was to be in August. Then they said March 2 - 30. Then they switched it to September.
I was glad for the delay because I want the car out of Texas.
They say the 11th digit of the American model Y will either be a for Austin or f for Fremont. If that is the case, I am looking for an a. If I get an f, I will delay delivery, get another serial number, which hopefully will have the a in the 11th position.
do model 3's get the same treatment with the new batteries and everything else as well?
Texas is only building model y at first. Eventually, m3 will have it but it’ll be awhile. When it does come, it could be a 400 mile EV.
Will the S and X get these batteries at some point?
Got a may - June est delivery date on the east coast, I honestly don’t know why it’s taking this long rather just get a Fremont built one ordered in September sigh
Because they will be working to change the production in Freemont to the same design using the 4680 batteries.
mine getting delivered on August and honestly I'm very grateful I can afford one and don't really care honestly where it is coming from as long as it will be reliable :)
i have a model Y coming to me June-July i hope it has the 4680 new batteries 😃
Man I ordered mine July 21 but I could only buy it 2 weeks ago. My y performance is 2022 and will arrive to me on March 1st and I’m very excited to know which version is mine, praying to be Texas’.
Did you get Texas?
3:52
Cool pic of Prague (or Prada)
WROOOONG!! Plaid has alot of alu castings in it!!!!!
My MY long range was scheduled to be delivered early Feb. Timeline has been moved to late Feb/early March. I hope that’s because it will come from Austin but only after the factory is cleared for production by regulators. Hope hope hope.
My delivery for my model y performance is 2/21 to 3/8. Hoping the same! Best of luck!
My model Y LR is scheduled tor April 27 - May 25. I'm hoping that before that some questions get answered. Will Texas MY have more range? Will it cost the same? Depending on the answers I may choose to delay or cancel and re-order.
@@KingSDott same you you
@Subscribifi I live in the mountain west, where superchargers sometimes more than 100 miles apart and I intend to occasionally pull a small trailer, so range is VERY important to me. If they are planning on making an “Extra Long Range” model Y using 4680s I would probably wait for that even if I means waiting a year.
I ordered my Model Y in October, but immediately paused it until late December. When I unpaused, they gave me a delivery estimate between February 9th and March 9th, 2022. Then about 2 weeks ago I got the VIN number for my Model Y and scheduled a delivery date for February 12th next weekend. The VIN number shows it's coming from Fremont.
Tesla for the win
I will only buy a Texas model Y. PERIOD
Have a model y performance ordered delivered date keeps moving up. Originally it was set to deliver in April then end of March now its say beginning of March. I wonder if I'm moving up because people are postponing or are they making more model y then expected. I'm In the east coast so hopefully it will be a Austin car
I bought a TESLA MODEL X in 2016. You know the VIN # when its shipped. Meaning you know what factory it’s coming from. Make your decision then.
Excellent Tesla channel! We have a model Y on order for delivery in June. We’ll cancel before taking a CA model.
Well Elon has said that Austin will serve the east coast. So where do you live? If its west coast you'll probably have to wait until Fremont is converted over.
My best guess….Freemont will become standard Y and texas will be Long range and performance. Thoughts?
I'd go for the models that use LFP battery, whichever it is in. In model 3, that'd be the standard. Question is whether 4680 will be LFP.
@@kabysummit5801 model Y 4680 wont be LFP. model 3 will eventually be LFP 4680.
At the last earnings call, Elon said LFP chemistry is not optimal for 4680 form factor. 4680 will only have lithium/Nickel or Lithium/Manganese chemistry for Max benefit
Yup, waiting over 6 mos now for a Model Y. I’ve spent $5k repairing my old ICE car in the past 7 mos. I can only wait so long before I have to buy something else. Fortunately, there are more choices now, so I’m not sweating it. If I still don’t get a delivery by fall (one year waiting) I will buy something else. Probably a Subaru EV. Or a Toyota, or a Hyundai, or …
Did you get your Tesla?
Model Y LR due Feb25-Mar25 in NY. After all the waiting and research I must have an Austin built Y. I will play the game of delaying delivery if I have to. I’m keeping my fingers crossed 😊
I live in Texas and purchased a MY in August of last year. My rep told me that the ones coming out of Austin are the for the east coast only. Freemont will be making for Texas and other states. So yeah, your prob gonna get one from Austin
If you're picky about which version you get, the first question is, how do you tell them apart?
Ive been delaying my MYP since 12/5 ordered 11/6. First it was for BBbetter tax credit hopes. Now its for 4680. I will not accept any 2160 car at this point as I am betting resale value of the new versions could be 5 to 15k more valuable vs the older model. They may reduce battery volume to compensate for the higher energy density and with programming the new car may not be any faster. But it would be lighter. I estimate 180lbs lighter as there was some paperwork for a increase for the model Y in payload capacity. Honestly they should just make the range and power better then they can justify the newer higher price because its a bit high now without the 7500$ rebate vs EV6 or Ionic5 models which are already cheaper. Plus batter life is huge potential difference. 4680 likely good for one million miles of life. thats like a 10 or 20k value over those miles if it holds true.
Good luck to you man. Where are you located? That will also play big part especially in beginning. I also hear you can only delay for so long.. 🤞
do you have vin# yet?
My Y is scheduled for delivery in August. I will also extend the delivery if the VIN indicates it's coming from somewhere other than TX.
I want a Texas model Y.
What is the range of the Texas model Y?
Thanks for switching to a plain red background; the previous style with white animations was aesthetic, but quite distracting.
I too will only accept a Texas Gigafactory built Model Y. And yes I have already ordered mine.
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Will the new 4680 battery pack make servicing the batteries more difficult or even impossible?