Barely Acceptable - 70MPH Highway Range Test In 2023 Model Y AWD 4680 Battery
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Thanks for putting this together, Branden. I have an identical MY and have gotten virtually the same distance for a full charge. I’ve held out hope that Tesla would deliver an “unlock” for hidden battery capacity, but that seems unlikely to happen now. I still wouldn’t trade my MY for the LFP RWD on account of superior acceleration. In general, I’m pleased with the car, even for road trips.
You're a fool, these are so much worse for the environment if you dig into the specifics. From the slavenkabor implented for mining the lithium to battery disposal not to mention the demand on the grid to charge them, California had to resort to charging them with diesel generators because the grid cannot support them. Just let that sink in for a while.
Great test Brandon! There’s a lot of reasons that this is a young man’s bladder test and you passed with an A+
I just finished a 300 mile road trip with my model Y 4680 and it was absolutely perfect. It was a 5 hour trip with one stop for charging. I ended up charging longer than it needed because it took longer to use the restroom and wait for my food order than what was needed to reach my destination. The trip was a mixture of HWY and backroads and started at sea level up to 5500 or so feet above sea level into the NC mountains and back. I can’t see a need for more range because I can hardly drive 3 hours straight without stopping anyway.
Always great content thanks again Branden!
We love our RWD Model 3 and we're looking forward to swapping out our ID4 for the LFP Model Y when our lease is up. The LFP is just so easy to live with. Really good video Branden. Thank you.
LFP should be the norm for everyday EVs
Good test and video! Well done.
19:19 Good charging hardware in the background 😀
Thanks dude. Good info
If you ever want to test the 17’x or anything on the 23’y long range w/ 3rd row let me know
I just did a road trip to NC from CT and back in one of these 4680 Y's. Three adults and a dog with luggage, I figure about 500 lbs extra. Charging was not great but I waited on the car to charge two times in order to get around New York City rather than taking the cross Bronx exp/GW bridge. My speed was set to 75 and my efficiency was right at 260 to 270 for the entire 1300 mile trip. Wonder why your efficiency number was high (280's) at 70 mph. Your assessment at the end is spot on. Not a great road tripper but all around not a bad ride. Missed you at the North Lake charger in the Queen city.
Awesome video! Range is not horrible
I appreciate the hard work you put on this vid and pushing your car like that! My Model 3 has the new LFP battery after the NCA failed at about 24k miles. Good news is they replaced the suspension as well as it's a bit of a heavier battery and I gained about 27 miles of range so far on average. I was stressed when I got the warning initially and it wouldn't charge but thankfully there was a service center nearby. They were swamped but took me in and in about 10 min gave me a loaner and all was good as covered under warranty. Hopefully better luck with the LFP moving forward.
Nice upgrade!
Thank you for mentioning elevation for Kyle's OOS tests! I was thinking that people can probably take some miles away from the results if they live closer to sea level.
Great presentation! I have been concerned about the actual range of my Long Range Model Y - purchased April 1, 2023 - so I think it has the 2170 battery pack. With just a few examples of actual odometer range vs. battery range used, I have experienced close to a 70% actual range (70 odometer miles vs. 100 battery range miles consumed) driving relatively flat miles on the interstates in Florida at 80 mph in 85-90 degree weather - actually close to what you expected to get during your range test drive.
I was close to contacting Tesla to see if this was a below par (and alarming) real life battery performance. Thanks to your video, I will not panic. Just disappointed that the actual EPA estimate of range is NOT very realistic.
However: To any and all Tesla haters: This is still the very best and most enjoyable car I have ever driven! If you have not yet test driven an EV, you do not know what you are missing. Schedule a test drive or find your nearest Tesla owner friend and drive one for yourself! I LOVE THIS CAR!
The EPA rating is definitely based off driving 80mph. Even an ICE isn't efficient anymore once you reach that number. 65mph should be the sweet spot. But, you'd loose on time.
In my model 3 all wheel drive long range 2020 it was initially rated for 320 mi but if I drive nothing but freeway I would be lucky to get around 260 mi
I drove back and forth to San Jose, which used over 90% charge, and managed 290 miles on the long range AWD. I don’t really see any case where it’s possible to hit the rated 330 miles range without significant city driving mixed in.
Curious to see how the LFP RWD does. At first the 260 miles range looked bad to me but being able to regularly charge to 100% vs 80% kind of gives it an edge. 80% of 279 miles is only 223 so the new LFP is actually better range for most people day to day?
Drove 142 miles round trip at 80mph in lfp rwd with a good headwind in one direction and temps of 52F and avg 283wh/mile..which is worst yet. Can't wait to try this trip with temps in single digits.
I hope that the structural battery design of this vehicle and the likely software, limited battery limiting degradation offer real benefits to this vehicle, to offset all of its disadvantages for everyone that bought this car
Sold mine to Carvana, bought an older X which doesn’t have great charging and will go to wife, then a refresh or juniper Y for me.
230 is decent. I think a perfect range would be 240 at 80mph and 80% state of charge, or maybe 100% LFP depending on charge curve. This would be 3 solid hours of highway driving between charging stops of 40-60 min
This would be perfect for road tripping.....then if they judt get the charging stops to 30 min or less. There would be zero complaints vs gas.
Charging in my model Y long range takes maximum 20 minutes
Said 235-240 depending on conditions on X - which with buffer was pretty damn close.
I might get the rwd lfp model y next year depending on prices. I do wish they would put that Chinese motor in them (the faster acceleration would be nice). Also i look forward to newer LFP batteries with higher charging rates, but the current catl is fine for what it is.
I just got the new Hankook iON EVO All Season tires for my Model 3 Performance. The range increase is just astounding. Maybe a set of these tires could help the range on this car. I definitely would like to see you try them out on the Model Y. I bet it would help a lot.
Somehow that tire isn't made in Model Y 19" size
@@brandenflasch you have to look at the “SUV” version. There is a 255/45/19 iON EVO SUV tire. TireRack doesn’t sell it but Discount Tire does. However, they are $315 a tire instead of the $224 I paid for the Model 3 tires.
@@LearningFast ahh that makes more sense. Thank you!
Branden, I noticed Tesla has added a rear drive Model Y with 260 miles of range. Do you know if that one is using the 4680 battery pack? Disregard, I just heard you mention that one has the LFP pack.
How do you know its 4680 battery? Are these LG batteries? how do you use and what app do you use to check the stats in real time? I guess its through the OBD2 connector, but what is the cable you use then?
Hi Branden, quick question. What OBD and software did you have for your Rivian? Also do you know of an iOS solution for the OBD?
I use a CANserver with teslax for both Rivian and Tesla
I’d think the temp and humidity play a larger role than ‘thinner air’. Denver/fort Collins aren’t really that high. Your AC is going to have to work harder with more humid environment.
Today’s weather was quite mild
How can you seem so calm with 0% i'd be pulling my hair out.
I thought the 4680 battery pack was going to provide amazing range, just saying what I heard on Battery Day. 230 @ 100% charge is good enough for road trips where an 80% charge is typical.
We just picked up our brand new standard range RWD model Y. It didn't come with an LFP battery. Not sure if it is using the same pack as yours...
What tablet is that? It looks like it fits perfectly in the phone dock area.
Just an iPad mini
Branden, I’m about to pick up a RWD MY and I’m worried that it doesn’t have an LFP battery. Picking up in Charlotte and will be heading back towards home (upstate SC) in it tomorrow. You and others on OOS have mentioned that it may be an LFP, I’ll let you know soon what I find out.
Update: I spoke with an advisor and they told me they don’t have any LFP model Ys. Mine with rwd configuration did not have the LFP battery in it, so I switched it for a MY LR in inventory.
I think you made the right move
I thought the 2023 has the projector matrix headlights. I see it’s the reflectors
title: barely acceptable
video: pretty acceptable
The charging makes it barely acceptable
Yup, confident on 200-220 miles, which is a 3-hour drive and time to take a bathroom break and a cup of coffee. 20’-25’ and back on the road with 80% battery charge.
If only it could actually charge that well - would vastly improve the road trip experience
@@brandenflasch It charges that well based on my experience.
Mine definitely doesn’t charge to 80% in 20min
@@brandenflasch That’s concerning. Mine takes 20’ or less to charge from 20% to 80%, using 250kW V3 charger.
@@deplorablechump8758 do you have a long range?
Plz do a video with a model y long range
My guess was 225
What about doing this in the middle of winter in the northeast bc you can most likely cut your range in half do to cold.
Still would be very easy. I’ve done many winter road trips.
What watt hour per mile do you need to go in order to get the full advertised range? Is it around 240 watt hour per mile?
Yes
Actually, if driven in cold weather such as under 45F, there is a warning message when starting up the Model Y that says, "power reduced due to cold weather conditions" Also, the car starts to warm up the battery and we use more heat in the HVAC to keep ourselves comfortable while sitting in the car. The range will be severely impacted. My wife's friend's Model Y was in the snowly area of Northern California last year, the supposedly 329 miles for her long range Model Y only got her 180 miles. That was 55% of the officially stated range. So, your test was carried out in a mild weather. Someone else will find the same base model with the small battery not adequate enough. People who view these videos need to keep that in mind. Your situation differs. Thanks for the video.
called 220. price is right rules!
i was on a 6 hr road trip i only had to charge once for 10 mins
what happens when one cells fails in structural battery pack during warranty? do they give you another car? or is it possible to replace bad cells?
The battery is replaceable No you cannot replace individual cells.
Munro ripped one apart..its impossible or nearly impossible. The whole thing will need to be replaced...however i doubt for the amount of labor, any pack is worth ripping apart vs just replacing.
@zachlafond2652 even normal Tesla packs are almost always replaced and refurbished elsewhere rather than being repaired in the field
Do you have to buy a device for that program to work
Yes
Basically the exact same as my ioniq5 at 70. Except you have a smaller battery so the Tesla is more efficient
Assuming functioning charging, you charge faster though
@@brandenflasch It would be interesting to do a race involving a few charging stops between these two to see what comes out on top faster charging or better efficiency
@@Crazypostman you’d likely win, but only with all chargers cooperating. 4680 Y charges poorly
Nice video with the Can stuff. I think you disabled some warning and safety procedures 😊
Like what?
@@brandenflasch i never went to 0% but shouldn't there be warnings on the screen? And limit your power when it's so close to 2.8V per cell?
@@vonPelger nope
I wonder if there will be a software upgrade to increase mileage. I have the same car and I haven't driven on many trips.
I doubt it, but if they improve charging speed that would be welcome
Hello, I notice your big phone. Is that a Samsung fold? Anyway, I have a model Y and a samsung fold and want to get a holder that would fit it. I also have the S3XY buttons with it always plugged into the OBD port. Can I use can data with the buttons? Is that an app? Do you find it OK down on the charger or would you rather have the data in your field of vision? I prefer it up where your cell phone holder is but have found a suitable one for the combination of a Model Y and a Samsung fold Z. Just wanted to pick your brain. Thanks
That’s an iPad mini on the phone holder
Looking at past results, I'm thinking Kyle would get about 2.75% better efficiency based on the tire and wheel range testing that was done a couple of weeks ago.
Why’s that?
Comparing to the Model 3 RWD really highlights how misleading EPA ratings can be. This Model Y is rated for 7 miles MORE than the Model 3 RWD, but in this real world 70 mph test, it got 30+ miles LESS than the Model 3 RWD. The EPA could fix this by redesigning the highway test to be more representative of actual highway speeds, and by showing separate city and highway ratings. The Model Y AWD 4680 and Model 3 RWD might have very similar range in low speed driving, but I suspect the larger profile of the Y gives it a lot of extra wind resistance at higher speeds, meaning it takes a much bigger range hit on the highway than the Model 3.
But highways have different speed limits. By keeping EPA testing limits, the results provide a COMPARABLE EPA range value. Do people drive 80 mph? yes. Not everyone though. The EPA estimates are a way to compare different models but they are RELATIVE.
Yikes! I've gotten about 248 Wh/mile in my Model Y AWD LR since I bought it in Dec 2022. And on road trips i get about 260 Wh/mile. Of course not a pure 70 mph test. But I think that's excellent.
You must have a lighter right foot and do less interstate than me
@@brandenflasch I just watched a 70 mph range test by Kyle Connor at Out of Spec, and he had the same Model Y as mine and got 266 Wh/mile. And he had 20" wheels. Mine are 19 inch. .... And my drives are anywhere from 55 mph to about 82 mph, and are mostly on a major highway, not Interstate.
This is no better than my 2019 Audi Etron. Given that this is 2023/24 this is pretty low IMHO. And the charging curve on the Audi is way better-when the CCS system actually works! I am looking for my next EV, and I want more range and decent charging curve. Thanks Branden! Always a pleasure to see your work.
Keep in mind the etron is super heavy and uses a 95kWh battery pack (86 usable). About 20kWh more to lug around the bigger heavier car for the same range.
@MarkBraggs the etron is the most inefficient EV relative to its size. I don't see why people think the flat charge curve makes up for that.
@@austina4189 While it has less base range than desirable, it is fine for around town. On a trip, the fast curve makes it easy and quick to charge, making a trip less problematic. However, unreliable CCS chargers do crimp my style. Would I like more efficiency? Yes, for sure.
15:39 you are wearing AllBirds shoes !!!!! Finally, I find another Tesla owner who also wear AllBirds shoes. They are exceptionally comfy and very sustainable. People who love driving electric cars because of being envirnomentally concerned should all abandon Nike, Reebok, Adidas and starting wearing AllBirds shoes !!!!! Yours are Tree Dashers 2, I also have four pairs of them in yellow, grey, violet and blue.
What was the cost for this trip?
$0
229 miles isn't too bad...
Combine it with the poor charging and it’s not great
@@brandenflaschit is funny how poor charging today would have been a warm welcome 3-5 years ago. 😂
Ok
How dare you turn around at my exit and not say hi!
Is Tesla using 4680s for AWD?
On mine, yes. This trim is no longer sold
That's disappointing considering Alyssa's old 2019 "Fat" E-tron 55 just did 225 miles at 70mph. They are notoriously inefficient.
Larger battery
@@brandenflasch Yes, I know, but isn't the range more important than the battery capacity in the vehicle, after all. I would say that having a less efficient vehicle with a larger battery is better than a very efficient car with a battery capacity that is too small to get you there. Didn't Elon once state that he considered less than 250 miles range was unacceptable? I see that the current MYAWD is now rated at 330 miles EPA. That should be much better.
I cant wait for the M3P Highland, hurry up Elon
Better than I expected, I was hoping for 215-220 and confident in 210 miles.
What was the elapsed time?
Ok Branden, now is the time to grab a LFP MODEL Y standard range, with the single motor and better battery thermal management would likly be a better roadtriper, would make for great content!
Guess you didn’t watch to the end 😅
279? Website says 330
This trim is discontinued
Ok so those high mass low surface area 4860 batteries are difficult to cool, seems logical that is why the 2170 are a better form factor to have active temperature management. Strange Elon claims this design is better, you cannot change physics !
Was honestly considering getting a model 3 long range but after seeing how much they cost vs. real-world expected range, i would much rather stick with my existing gas guzzler for at least 5 - 10 more years. It doesn't make sense at least to me to have a car that's literally this limited in terms of range and cold weather performance vs. the extremely high initial cost. When EVs will reach the point where 1 charge will get you 400 - 500 real-world miles at highway speed in 40 - 50 degree weather, i'll be the first one to buy that car!
This isn’t a long range… how often do you actually take trips?
@@brandenflasch 300 miles every 2 weeks and a long one over 600+ every month or so
Totally doable and will cost less
If you wanted to go decent distances - at 70 mph, you should have purchased the Dual Motor long range. 🤔 Mine is amazing, and has 340 miles range, and I get 290 miles plus if not driving crazy. 👍👍👍👍💕
Is there a reason why you don't use satellite view for your maps...you are paying for that feature.
Unnecessary clutter on the nav screen. I pay for premium connectivity for basically everything except that
@@brandenflasch I find it very useful as I can see land marks...but frankly it's getting to be that the car just drives....FSD did over 98% of my roughly 100 mile driving day.
@darrenorange2982 I’ll turn it on every once in a while, but Charlotte is being developed so quickly that imagery is always outdated
He drives at night too.
And?
I’ve done 225miles with 25% left on my battery at 70mph… in my MY AWD, not sure what’s causing your higher consumption?
Is it a long range?
@@brandenflasch no it’s the same one you have with 4680
you would've made it to the supercharger 100%
Probably, but not worth the risk of a tow truck
Everybody whining about range in the real world does NOT realize that the EPA range is calculated on a rolling road with NO wind resistance and at 60 MPH! Those are the conditions they use to rate the range. You are never going to get full range. And NO gas car has ever gotten its EPA mileage rating either.
I’ve exceeded EPA in multiple ICE vehicles
@@brandenflasch Not at 70mph you sure as hell did not. I am an engineer. I know what is possible in the laws of physics.
@davefroman4700 yes I did
Good test but you say it's 'Pretty Acceptable' in the video but the title says 'Barely Acceptable' seems like you are fishing for clicks...
The charging ticks it from pretty acceptable to barely acceptable
229mi sucks! I thought the Model Y AWD LR was 330mi EPA in 2023? It got right-sized for 2024 at 310mi. Tesla are such liars on range, aceeeeholleesssss
This isn’t a LR
I appologize if this comes across as a pedantic rant but it's an occupational hazzard of being a teacher. I would certainly give you an A+ for your efforts on this test because you really seem to understand the subject matter exceedingly well.
Pedantic rant:
As a first *approximation* this test is adequate. I suspect that if you repeated this same test 10 times, for example, that your results could vary by something like 20%.
To get a more accurate and perhaps useful set of results for a given test, you need to show a lot more detailed data such as vehicle speed, altitude, wind speed and direction, air temperature and humidity, power consumption, mood of the Traffic Gods, ...etc. on a continuous basis and graph that data for the entire trip (like the energy graph only more detailed). Then you can compare one set of trip data to another trip and draw more specific and accurate conclusions from that.
My experience for the past couple years in my MYLR and MYP is that wind speed and direction seem to have the biggest impact on my energy consumption at freeway speeds.
That's my pedantic rant.
That's my two scents!
💩💩😁
There is a huge difference in age between 69 mph and 71 that you were running… you often had 71 and even 72 mph. 🤔🔥
Calculated average speed was 69mph according to Tessie logging
That is why I buy the #1 best selling 2023 Chevrolet Bolt! Chevrolet has the engineers that know electric cars!😊
lol ok bro
Another great video Branden. We really appreciate the effort you put in to test these vehicles. However, this kind of demonstrates exactly why Tesla discontinued the 4680 trim level. With this real world range and the almost abysmal charging curve it just really doesn’t make sense. I am glad your wrap turned out so well and you really have made great content with it. However, I really think that with this car being discontinued it might be time to cut your losses and try to switch to something that you could recover those losses with like the RWD Model Y or perhaps try to get a Highland Model 3 LR when those come out. I know that might be a big financial hit but this Model Y is now a dead end with it being discontinued. Have you considered trying to sell it private party? Can you stack(use multiple) referral credits towards the price of a new vehicle? Anyway, I really do appreciate your hard work on these videos and hope you can continue making them with future models.
Go 60 mph, you’ll see 295 miles. Tesla claimed EPA range is based on 62 mph or 100 kmph.
How much did it cost for this trip?
$0
Bro! My Chevy Bolt euv is rated for 246 miles. I get actual 283+ during the summer. 4.3 + m/kWh. It doesn’t fall it is correct. That’s with using ac normally and mixes road/highway. In the winter I get 220 miles. 65 kw battery. Buy a chevy!!!!
Do not buy a Chevy bolt he is lying if you drive anywhere near the speed limit and use ac your range will be around 200-220 in the winter your range will be half and don’t use heat it does not use a heat pump and takes a ton of energy to heat the cabin you can literally watch the miles waste away great city car though
@@lilpeppa117G I own two of them genius! I average 4.3 plus on the high at 72 mph. I drive them slowly around town also. You must be a Tesla owner they regrets their purchase like my friends
@@lilpeppa117G there is a video on UA-cam going through the Eisenhower tunnel in the mountains. Tesla vs bolt band two others. The Tesla started off with 40 plus more miles. Ended up with one less than the bolt. Real world proof.
I also own a ‘23 Bolt EUV. I have not seen highway efficiency that high, but I have seen 3.6 to 4.1 on 200 mile hwy trips. A lot would depend on the terrain. My trips involve an elevation change of 800’, and the trip is very hilly. When the weather was 95F this summer, no tint, I got lower. As far as this winter goes, I’m looking forward to finding out if maintaining a decent cabin temp along with heated seats will keep my efficiency in a good place.
I wanted to add this when I had a keyboard. First off, the Bolt EUV is not for everyone. Yes it does have legroom very close, .5” less, than the MY, but doesn’t have the storage space elsewhere. There are lots of differences, and IMO those vehicles are not comparable. Chevy could do better with what they have- for example, the EUV has an electric actuated lift gate, but no button up front and no power. Premiere EUVs have 360 deg cameras, but no recording feature like Teslas. They do have a separate camera for the rear view mirror that Teslas do not have- VERY good for traffic awareness. Tesla should take note.
I’m sorry, but it should come as no surprise to anyone who did research that Tesla range figures are inflated. I recall Alex On Autos driving his Premium Mach-E AWD vs a Tesla MY Performance on a highway trip, and the Tesla pulled off the same efficiency- with it’s smaller battery- so it’s range nowhere near the 316 EPA rating. I don’t think people understand that these ratings given these vehicles are due to the figures the manufacturers send to the EPA- not a result of a standardized test on the same track. Look it up. Manufacturers send test results in to the EPA who then publishes them. The EPA is not CR or UL.
I chose the EUV because of the price, and because I was willing to accept things like a torsion bar rear suspension instead of IRS because it wasn’t worth it to pay 2x as much. I knew that my longest road trips would be 200 miles. I want to go full EV for all our cars, but the tech is just not there at the moment. I figured it would be by the time I’m ready to hand this car over to the wife. We all need new battery chemistry. IF it’s one thing we should’ve learned from the 4680 debacle, it’s that LNMC and LFP chemistries have hit a ceiling. Believe in EM all you want, but the facts will remain true: The EV future is not either of these. Note- that goes for all other variants of these battery chemistries like Ultium. It’s like back in the 90’s when we were all wowed by a 10% increase in efficiency in new 486’s. There will be new tech that will overwhelm LNMC and LFP to the point where the EVs we have today will be as worthless as the “100 mile” range compliance EVs. That was a major factor in my choice to get the EUV over even a used Tesla M3 SR.