This is actually really cool. I like the idea of letting the characters choose their own path. Saying nothing and Shadowheart saving Nightsong was unexpected especially since for the last 5+ hours all shes talked about was becoming a Dark Justiciar
I believe in letting NPCs with their own stories decide where they want them to go, I was pleasantly surprised by Shadowheart's decision when I gave her the chance to make it on her own 🙂
I actually had an oh shit moment with this one, I really thought she was going to kill her and we would get the spear but I like this for character progression reasons
For anyone still struggling with this fight: animate dead has verbal components so if you have shadow heart (or another caster) cast silence on Balthazar he’ll be forced to use his dash action to run out of it and not have the action to cast animate dead. You can keep him in this loop or if you get lucky like I did after the second time you cast it he’ll sit in one spot and then you can just take him down
If you have difficult killing him, rmb you select another character while in dialogue, and you can push him off the map, I used thunderwave and 1 turned him.
@@adamhughes7401 yea i made that mistake with the 2 bosses in the goblin camp in act 1. The fight was pretty hard at that low level, especially with all the goblins joining the fight, so I just pushed the hobgoblin and the drow elf off a cliff, then realised I missed out on loot and tadpoles.
On my first playthrough, i convinced Shadowheart to spare Nightsong. But i wanted something different for my second drakeid playthrough and told her to finish the ritual. I wanted to see her dark path and i was like "well, Nightsong will be no more but maybe it will not be such a big deal, Isobel is still protecting the Inn". What a fool i was...every tieffling i saved during Act 1 and 2 died. I even took the time to find Rolan before that. And the worst part occured when i was heading back to the inn, looking for camp supplies. I had to slaughter Alfira and Dammon myself. I don't know what happened to Jaheira though since i didn't fight her or found her corpse. Seriously, this game...
Jaheira has protection against the curse. She most likely died, tho it is possible to still recruit her as a playable character even if u chose this path.
the unexpected but really wanted decision of Shadowheart, the music and the line of Nightsong when she got released from soulcage That was one of the coolest scene i've ever seen in any game play
@user-gr1io9is3v I found it was much easier as I was able to beat him down with magic missiles. But having fought him later on, a lot of the people on his team can just kick you into the void which means I had to reload my fight many times because one of my people got kicked off a cliff.
Depends I have been playing several gamethroughs of characters believing that the world they are living in is just a rouse, decieving beings from true Good by playing with them like toys and using dices for their own amusements throwing the lives and decisions to chance while manipulating the chances with every possibility by a rule observer. Shar is one of the few falsehoods portraying themselves as a deity that wants to end this nightmare and illusion on the reason of her sister’s tale of creating a sun. Basically my characters see everyone around him as shadows that are unconscious’s of their non-existence and sees shadowheart as saving those who doomed her and others thanks to Shar’s actions and goal in ending this farce and bringing real beings towards everlasting good
@@varia6688Shadowhearts entire belief system is formed around worshiping the idea of nothingness. She was kidnapped as a child and literally brainwashed into thinking that by a godess trying to prove a point to another godess. Also Shar's goal with shadowheart defies logic. "I'm gonna show my sister her way is destined to fail not by converting one of her most devout followers, but by kidnapping and brainwashing a weak minded and vulnerable child (something that is not generally impressive)." Like... cool. That'll show her I guess? Just such a weak and dependent mindset from people that worship that.
Yeah Balthazzar is a crazy serial killer sick bastard his quarters at the Absolute Keep was a horror show. I had to take him out as well as persuaded Shadowheart from killing Nightsong.
click the a non dialogue character during Balthazar dialogue. select and talk to nightsong. release her. collect the bones near the edge and fight Balthazar
Orrrr…. Use an arrow of roaring thunder, angle it to where he will fly off of the platform into the abyss and there you go. He dies instantly, no fight needed
@@АХМАТ-ЧАЙ Don’t even need to do that with some decent planning. In the shadowfell, when he’s talking to Nightsong you can cast the fear spell on him to stop the summoning, then just beat the sh*t out of him. (Of course will require a couple attempts, so I’d save once you get all members sneaked separately behind him, and at least one invisible to make it easier) As a monk with bonus attacks, Karlach with hers and Gale to use 3rd level magic (Shadowheart casting the fear) it makes him a big joke at the end. After struggling for a couple hours, gotta say. Felt good to treat him like a punching bag.
Missed out on the blood merchant my first playthrough because I released her. So you either need go to the towers first, or pick a different option than freeing her if you don't want to miss out on the blood merchant and the Astarion interactions that come with it. Especially if you are romancing him.
I would recommend going to Towers first everytime. You can buy good gear there and find some cool items in Balthazar's room, like moonlantern if you don't have one (there is also an important choice for Gale there). As you mentioned there is also the drow merchant that is very important if you are romancing Astarion. And most importantly if you free the Nightsong first, you cannot rescue the prisonners in the Towers and you miss out on a very badass cutscene that plays when you meet Ketheric for the first time.
Did a good playthrough, now im doing an evil one, In the good I chose to save Nightsong, very satisifying route. In the bad im going to let Shadowheart kill her, pray for my outcome!
i randomly stumbled upon the last light inn during my darkmurge playthrought. and killed everyone there before going to the place that balthazar was. i usually exlore everything in the area before doing stry quest s i can be strong for the fights. i wonder what will happen since i killed isobel before going to find balthazar?@@1994bens
What are the consequences of all three choices? Like the 1st choice, with Thorn still invincible no way to beat him and how to precede to AC 3? Curious....
Kill her and she'll need to reform. It'll be outside the soul cage and take time so Kentheric will be unable to access her power. He will be vulnerable throughout his second fight. Free her and she is no longer bound by the soul cage, and will help in your first fight with Kentheric, but will be captured soon after. And end up in the same position as if you chose... Surrender and she will be trapped in the second boss fight with Kentheric. You will have to free her from her bindings to start doing any damage.
i dont get it. When i choose to save nightsong Shadowheart leaves my group and is completely pissed. That dialoge you have doesnt come. As soon she flies away nothing happens. THere is a portal. I go through and she quits the group, thats it. Why?
i found the problem. Seem if one equips the spear after balthasar but before Nightsong, it wont work. Now i equipped it before balthazar and now it worked ^^
@@asraiSOA yes, outside at the teleport thing already. I'm not sure though, of our head anything to do with it. But I reloaded the same save at least, equipped spear outside, went in, did the same thing as before and this time the dialogue appeared. Hope it helps
I encounter a bug which Balthazar suddenly start attack me without having any conversation，can‘t fix it even I reloaded multiple times. This game is really full of bugs.
happened to me as well (mainly because I suck at combat though) and what works best for me is let all the characters stand on the last rock platform as close to the edge as possible and don’t start any conversation with Baltazar. just straight up start attacking him. his undead cannot reach you when you stand on the rock and start grouping at the edge where you can hit them with AOE spells. Baltazar can hit you with AOE too but you should be able to get rid of him anyway.
Who was the person in that had her barrier fail in the kill Nightsong Cutscene? I saved Nightsong in my playthrough and I was too curious what would happen if I killed her. But I didn't recognise the person in the cutscene. Is it somebody you can meet in Act 2 before Nightsong?
@Jikuri I continued playing for a bit, and she came into the picture herself. A friend of mine who did a good playthrough said that he met her at the beginning of act two. I am doing a neutral/slightly evil playthrough so I sided with the Goblins at the grove, and got through the shadowcurse with the help of the spider dude (I forgot his name).
So Balthazar who is necromancer and has blood and Pentagram all of his face and talking with evil tone and have dark clothes and dark hood looks cute to you and you though Balthazaar must be right and his enemy must be killed. Hmmmmmm
So a goddess of darkness who transformed the woods into a shadow wasteland filled with monsters and tortures her own cleric iniciate, demands blood sacrifices and impulses the erradication of other cultures imposing her own didn't make you doubt that maybe, just maybe, she isn't on the right side ?
I'm a Lolthsworn Drow Warlock. I found Minthara to be a like minded companion and destroyed the grove and it's pathetic inhabitants to bind her to me, then redeemed her from Thorne's stupidity at Moonrise. Soon I will end him. I despise waste. As such, I have left Shadowheart to determine her own fate, as I also found her to be a confident and useful tool to assist me in realizing my plans. For now. I won't deny that I smiled when she "resolved" her feud with that blustering fool Lei'zel with cold, hard steel. It was Shadowheart's blood that was shed on every alter along the way to the Nightsong. Imagine my shock when she cast aside the spear and spared her pathetic life. I'm now conflicted about Shadowheart. On one hand, it would seem an absurd display of weakness, allowing compassion to effect her so. And yet, I can only stand in awe at her sheer audacity. To defy a god? At the final measure, I realize she has given me an undeniable and very valuable gift. Her actions have planted a seed in me that grows with every passing moment. The realization that one day I too might be able to defy a diety. To stand before The Spider Queen and bend her to MY will...
What does that rely on? I have good standing with her but it always ends dark. I don’t want to choose between her or Karlach but if she ascends Damon dies
@@mikemikemikemike221 there is nothing to choose in my game.I dont even get a dialouge where i could choose anything. If i let Shadowheart talk with nightsong simply nothing else happens s if i would talk with any other character.
i decided to kill balthazar when i first met him thinking he'll drop some fat loot for a necroimancer stryle build anmd iw as reight he dropped a ncie helm for necro minionm build plus thej dumbass already revealeed all val;uable info and info i needed so he was no longer useful lol. of course dunno if he stays dead..... lol
@@ReflixMusic but how? I dont get that dialouge where she has any decision. After killing Balthazar i let Shadowheart talk to Nightsong, if i dont kill her Shadowheart is pissed and leaves my group. Despite maxed standing and shes being my gf basically
@@AlexWBKKIn my playthrough (also romancing her) I told her not to do it but she got mad at first. Afterwards I told her I don’t like it but don’t want to lose her. Nightsong than speaks up and talks about her past and I get two persuasion options to stop her. I think if you give her a hard no and tell her you won’t let her she leaves. But there might be other hidden conditions that I don’t know about.
@@captainclown2718 thank you. There has to be something else, yes. Like mentioned, i have max standing, shes my affaier but there isnt any dialoge at all. Shes quite until i warp out of the dungeon, then she quits. Even if i let her handle the whole situation, there will be never any Dialoge between me and her. 😞 This really sucks hardcore. it ruins my whole game basically. Ive seen that it comes to this "choice" with any character wanted. Like even LaZel can have the choice option. THats the thing, i dont have any choice. THis whole part is missing in my game.
i found the problem. Seems if one equips the spear after balthasar but before Nightsong, it wont work. Now i equipped it before balthazar and now it worked ^^
Thats the biggest lol, that in the end the persuasion doesnt really matter, if you have at least a friend status with her you dont need to do a check and she will throw the spear away. Same as in the video, player char said literally nothing :D
@@AlphaAttila I have a question if you save nightsong after you save her does it mean that after you complete this side quest the game ends like is it one of the endings in this game?
Its strange how the characters I thought I’d like verses the ones I would not got completely turned upside down. I thought I’d hate flamboyant vampire Astarion and goodie-two-shoes warlock Wyll; now they’re my favorites in every play through. Thought I’d like Karlach and Nightsong; now they’re in a running gun battle for my most hated characters. (Isobel is cool, I guess, but I hate her by proxy)
ACT II I almost killed everyone by my team... :)) I killed all Zealots and monsters in Tower, and also left only Thorm. After Save NightSong, I heading to finish the job without her help! Done
I think human lifespans vary greatly in this game. The unconscious guy at the last light inn is over 100 years old and he’s just a normal human that looks like he’s in his 30s. Might be due to the curse though
Nightsong is an Aasimar, not a human. On top of that most Aasimar are either related to a god at some point in their lineage or they have been touched by one, so they live for well over 100 years. A threat from an aasimar paladin is definitely a serious one, also the being eternal threat is true, since unless an Aasimar is killed in a specific way their body will just resurrect eventually. In terms of dnd races Aasimar are one of the most powerful lore wise due to their relationship with literal gods.
This is actually really cool. I like the idea of letting the characters choose their own path. Saying nothing and Shadowheart saving Nightsong was unexpected especially since for the last 5+ hours all shes talked about was becoming a Dark Justiciar
Not totally unexpected, when you followed her progression! She never was really on the dark side. She was brainwashed, yes.
I believe in letting NPCs with their own stories decide where they want them to go, I was pleasantly surprised by Shadowheart's decision when I gave her the chance to make it on her own 🙂
Except Karlach... poor girl stuck with some stupid engine no matter what 😤
She is a good girl.
I actually had an oh shit moment with this one, I really thought she was going to kill her and we would get the spear but I like this for character progression reasons
I'm the opposite. I was put here to interfere with everyone's business, including NPCs.
I decided against it, and shadowheart was fine 🤷♂️
For anyone still struggling with this fight: animate dead has verbal components so if you have shadow heart (or another caster) cast silence on Balthazar he’ll be forced to use his dash action to run out of it and not have the action to cast animate dead. You can keep him in this loop or if you get lucky like I did after the second time you cast it he’ll sit in one spot and then you can just take him down
I was struggling with this fight and had enough so I just nuked him
If you have difficult killing him, rmb you select another character while in dialogue, and you can push him off the map, I used thunderwave and 1 turned him.
Ye but you’ll miss his crown and it’s a pretty good crown
@@adamhughes7401 yea i made that mistake with the 2 bosses in the goblin camp in act 1. The fight was pretty hard at that low level, especially with all the goblins joining the fight, so I just pushed the hobgoblin and the drow elf off a cliff, then realised I missed out on loot and tadpoles.
god bless you
You can also hit him with a character with a susar weapon during his dialogue to make him unable to summon his minions, and thus turn him into a joke.
@@BL00DYME55the drow is easy, convince her to attack the enclave and then betray her.
On my first playthrough, i convinced Shadowheart to spare Nightsong. But i wanted something different for my second drakeid playthrough and told her to finish the ritual. I wanted to see her dark path and i was like "well, Nightsong will be no more but maybe it will not be such a big deal, Isobel is still protecting the Inn". What a fool i was...every tieffling i saved during Act 1 and 2 died. I even took the time to find Rolan before that. And the worst part occured when i was heading back to the inn, looking for camp supplies. I had to slaughter Alfira and Dammon myself. I don't know what happened to Jaheira though since i didn't fight her or found her corpse. Seriously, this game...
Jaheira has protection against the curse. She most likely died, tho it is possible to still recruit her as a playable character even if u chose this path.
the unexpected but really wanted decision of Shadowheart, the music and the line of Nightsong when she got released from soulcage
That was one of the coolest scene i've ever seen in any game play
I killed Balthazar when you first meet him. Playing an oath of vengeance paladin and I wasn’t having it with that guy lol
Yup
Isnt it harder this way ? I havent tried but his creations looks strong
@@0111-k9m oh yea for sure
@user-gr1io9is3v I found it was much easier as I was able to beat him down with magic missiles. But having fought him later on, a lot of the people on his team can just kick you into the void which means I had to reload my fight many times because one of my people got kicked off a cliff.
@@jasondavis2995 yea same, i agree
Shar a pretty twisted goddess particularly with what she's telling Shadowheart to do in Act 3
Depends
I have been playing several gamethroughs of characters believing that the world they are living in is just a rouse, decieving beings from true Good by playing with them like toys and using dices for their own amusements throwing the lives and decisions to chance while manipulating the chances with every possibility by a rule observer.
Shar is one of the few falsehoods portraying themselves as a deity that wants to end this nightmare and illusion on the reason of her sister’s tale of creating a sun.
Basically my characters see everyone around him as shadows that are unconscious’s of their non-existence and sees shadowheart as saving those who doomed her and others thanks to Shar’s actions and goal in ending this farce and bringing real beings towards everlasting good
@@varia6688Shadowhearts entire belief system is formed around worshiping the idea of nothingness. She was kidnapped as a child and literally brainwashed into thinking that by a godess trying to prove a point to another godess. Also Shar's goal with shadowheart defies logic.
"I'm gonna show my sister her way is destined to fail not by converting one of her most devout followers, but by kidnapping and brainwashing a weak minded and vulnerable child (something that is not generally impressive)." Like... cool. That'll show her I guess?
Just such a weak and dependent mindset from people that worship that.
@@whenallelsfails21technically the trials are there to make sure she isnt weak.
The Jaheira looking at swords and the kindles light out scenes give me goosebumps......but very different vibe
I didn't hesitate, I killed Balthazar, then persuaded Shadowheart not to kill Nightsong.
Same
Yeah Balthazzar is a crazy serial killer sick bastard his quarters at the Absolute Keep was a horror show. I had to take him out as well as persuaded Shadowheart from killing Nightsong.
click the a non dialogue character during Balthazar dialogue. select and talk to nightsong. release her.
collect the bones near the edge and fight Balthazar
I just snuck around throwing all the bones onto the floating platform then thunder waved them all in one blow with Gale
You could like just gank him in his study. Harder fight? Meh, less emenies, but higher hp. That night song fight looks really annoying.
Orrrr…. Use an arrow of roaring thunder, angle it to where he will fly off of the platform into the abyss and there you go. He dies instantly, no fight needed
I just sneaked on him and use silence and circled him so he couldnt move out of it
I couldn't save Nightsong because I was pushed off the edge during the fight with Balthazar. 😢
I got everything I needed from him, used Flesh in every fight (to weaken him) then executed that MF before going into the Shadowfell.
@@BasilVasilkill him before entering Shadowfall
@@АХМАТ-ЧАЙin the libary area ?
@@АХМАТ-ЧАЙ
Don’t even need to do that with some decent planning.
In the shadowfell, when he’s talking to Nightsong you can cast the fear spell on him to stop the summoning, then just beat the sh*t out of him.
(Of course will require a couple attempts, so I’d save once you get all members sneaked separately behind him, and at least one invisible to make it easier)
As a monk with bonus attacks, Karlach with hers and Gale to use 3rd level magic (Shadowheart casting the fear) it makes him a big joke at the end.
After struggling for a couple hours, gotta say. Felt good to treat him like a punching bag.
You can still save her. If you revive your mc using a scroll before talking to her. (My mc fell off the cliff as well 🤣)
It gave me chills when shadowbae said "I AM HER CHOSEN!"
that heroic score... gives me the chill everytime!
Goty moment. "To kill Ketheric Thorm" gets me every time.
Missed out on the blood merchant my first playthrough because I released her.
So you either need go to the towers first, or pick a different option than freeing her if you don't want to miss out on the blood merchant and the Astarion interactions that come with it.
Especially if you are romancing him.
I would recommend going to Towers first everytime. You can buy good gear there and find some cool items in Balthazar's room, like moonlantern if you don't have one (there is also an important choice for Gale there). As you mentioned there is also the drow merchant that is very important if you are romancing Astarion. And most importantly if you free the Nightsong first, you cannot rescue the prisonners in the Towers and you miss out on a very badass cutscene that plays when you meet Ketheric for the first time.
Thank you for this, I’m romancing astarion and almost did the night song quest first.
Fun fact, if you kill everyone in moonrise towers, and then kill the nightsong, part of the cutscene just doesn't play.
that's what i did
I just blew up balthazar and his brother with some barrels i was saving for a special occasion. Then i left and started the trials
Did a good playthrough, now im doing an evil one, In the good I chose to save Nightsong, very satisifying route. In the bad im going to let Shadowheart kill her, pray for my outcome!
make sure to buy anything you want from last inn after that they will all die
@@1994bensnhe, they'll probably die before when isobel is taken
I'm planning the same thing once I'm done with my Heroic playthrough! I'm quite thrilled! 😆
i randomly stumbled upon the last light inn during my darkmurge playthrought. and killed everyone there before going to the place that balthazar was. i usually exlore everything in the area before doing stry quest s i can be strong for the fights. i wonder what will happen since i killed isobel before going to find balthazar?@@1994bens
@@fimostudios7176unless you beat marcus
What are the consequences of all three choices? Like the 1st choice, with Thorn still invincible no way to beat him and how to precede to AC 3? Curious....
Kill her and she'll need to reform. It'll be outside the soul cage and take time so Kentheric will be unable to access her power. He will be vulnerable throughout his second fight.
Free her and she is no longer bound by the soul cage, and will help in your first fight with Kentheric, but will be captured soon after. And end up in the same position as if you chose...
Surrender and she will be trapped in the second boss fight with Kentheric. You will have to free her from her bindings to start doing any damage.
@@horrorfan117😊
@@horrorfan117where is she trapped?
I just can t do bad shit in this game 😭
I’ve never seen this. I just kill him upstairs.
So, if you release her, Shadowheart dyes her hair white. But what happens when you do the opposite?
She keeps it black and turns into a full worshiper of Sha, if you do this she will kill off romance with you
@@di11onm1nkgaming Damn tough choice. Legendary weapon, or sex scene with Shadowheart.
@@BL00DYME55 you get a legendary weapon if you spare Dame
Is it bad if I’d genuinely consider making her a dark justiciar just to keep her hair black 😂
She changes her hairstyle, but not colour. She says she changed it to look more like Shar.
I recommend u save her no matter what playthrough she helps during boss it’s a waste to kill her
Did unnot see the reward shadowheart gets?
what if I am strong enough to beat the boss myself with no need of Nightsong?
That’s up to u
Was this before u fought Balthazar? When I got to get there was no cutscene just a huge fight against him and all his minions
I let my NPCs choose their own path when prompted. Balthazar is weakerbthan the undead he summons. Took him out with fireball
Do we have to kill balthazaar for other choices to be activated?
Had to kill Shadowheart, right after getting her all geared up
why shadowheart op and a good romance option as well
i dont get it.
When i choose to save nightsong Shadowheart leaves my group and is completely pissed. That dialoge you have doesnt come. As soon she flies away nothing happens. THere is a portal. I go through and she quits the group, thats it.
Why?
you have to romance her beforehand and make her happy by making decisions that she approves then, you will have this dialogue option.
@@dewamscvbvx thanks. All thats the case though. Im in max standing and shes my affair.
i found the problem. Seem if one equips the spear after balthasar but before Nightsong, it wont work. Now i equipped it before balthazar and now it worked ^^
@@AlexWBKK So you equipped the Spear before entering the realm?
@@asraiSOA yes, outside at the teleport thing already. I'm not sure though, of our head anything to do with it.
But I reloaded the same save at least, equipped spear outside, went in, did the same thing as before and this time the dialogue appeared.
Hope it helps
@10:19 I do not get this dialog or response options.
I encounter a bug which Balthazar suddenly start attack me without having any conversation，can‘t fix it even I reloaded multiple times. This game is really full of bugs.
welcome to larian games, bugs are part of the experience.
I have the same problem, did you find any solution for that?
@@beatricealz9514 No solution I am afraid.
What armor is your tav wearing?
I killed her but now I can’t leave without dying
When I try to save Nightsong, they wipe out my party like a hot knife through butter!
Walk to him to start the dialog then just change character to Karlach and push him down. He will die instantly.
@@marcelljuhasz8381 Absolutely! Danke my friend!
you can kill him in temple when hes almost alone.
happened to me as well (mainly because I suck at combat though) and what works best for me is let all the characters stand on the last rock platform as close to the edge as possible and don’t start any conversation with Baltazar. just straight up start attacking him. his undead cannot reach you when you stand on the rock and start grouping at the edge where you can hit them with AOE spells. Baltazar can hit you with AOE too but you should be able to get rid of him anyway.
@@marcelljuhasz8381 that is cheese strat. Honest fight, however, is quite brutal.
I killed balthazar in his chambers using 4 oil barrels i stashed from early in the game! Made everything sooo much easier
How did the angel after being killed, come back to life without any explanation?
As Prime Manflesh and group leader I decide what is best. My underlings fall to command. Shadiwheaet has no say in matters.
Who was the person in that had her barrier fail in the kill Nightsong Cutscene? I saved Nightsong in my playthrough and I was too curious what would happen if I killed her. But I didn't recognise the person in the cutscene. Is it somebody you can meet in Act 2 before Nightsong?
Nah I ain't gonna spoil you it's too juicy
@Jikuri I continued playing for a bit, and she came into the picture herself. A friend of mine who did a good playthrough said that he met her at the beginning of act two. I am doing a neutral/slightly evil playthrough so I sided with the Goblins at the grove, and got through the shadowcurse with the help of the spider dude (I forgot his name).
@@desolation1821
Spoilers:
That is Isobel. Thorm's daughter, Nightsong's girlfriend (yes they are lesbians).
I never get this cutscene because I shoot my arrows as soon as see the Balthazar LOL
Is it better to cleanse the last light inn/shadow lands first with Halsin then let shadowheart kill night song ??
What GPU Temp overlay is that you're using?
Can you kill night song after you killed the thorm boss with her
What are rewards for all outcomes
I messed upppp, I was supposed to end the shadow curse first but I went here😢
Same
Enjoy the eternal darkness noob
Does killing night song break the oath of vengeance?
killed the night song thinking that was the right thing to do, boi was i wrong🙃
So Balthazar who is necromancer and has blood and Pentagram all of his face and talking with evil tone and have dark clothes and dark hood looks cute to you and you though Balthazaar must be right and his enemy must be killed. Hmmmmmm
@@kabakcigdemithe decision has nothing to do with the necromancer who is hostile to shar as well. Stfu.
So a goddess of darkness who transformed the woods into a shadow wasteland filled with monsters and tortures her own cleric iniciate, demands blood sacrifices and impulses the erradication of other cultures imposing her own didn't make you doubt that maybe, just maybe, she isn't on the right side ?
@@xxgbxx1359 selunite sheep everywhere
Same
i just sat back and watched let her make her own choices and she killed the girl lol
I'm a Lolthsworn Drow Warlock. I found Minthara to be a like minded companion and destroyed the grove and it's pathetic inhabitants to bind her to me, then redeemed her from Thorne's stupidity at Moonrise. Soon I will end him. I despise waste. As such, I have left Shadowheart to determine her own fate, as I also found her to be a confident and useful tool to assist me in realizing my plans. For now. I won't deny that I smiled when she "resolved" her feud with that blustering fool Lei'zel with cold, hard steel. It was Shadowheart's blood that was shed on every alter along the way to the Nightsong. Imagine my shock when she cast aside the spear and spared her pathetic life. I'm now conflicted about Shadowheart. On one hand, it would seem an absurd display of weakness, allowing compassion to effect her so. And yet, I can only stand in awe at her sheer audacity. To defy a god? At the final measure, I realize she has given me an undeniable and very valuable gift. Her actions have planted a seed in me that grows with every passing moment. The realization that one day I too might be able to defy a diety. To stand before The Spider Queen and bend her to MY will...
I'm curious if her sword have some properties
Bring Isobel to Ketheric and kill Nightsong, what ending come?
or don't do anything and let shadowheart decide for herself. She will make the right choice and not kill nightsong. Best outcome in my opinion.
What does that rely on? I have good standing with her but it always ends dark. I don’t want to choose between her or Karlach but if she ascends Damon dies
I let her choose... she killed the nightsong xD
She literally killed the nightsong in my run because I let her choose ...
@@mikemikemikemike221 there is nothing to choose in my game.I dont even get a dialouge where i could choose anything. If i let Shadowheart talk with nightsong simply nothing else happens s if i would talk with any other character.
I'm barely above neutral standing with shadowheart and she decided to spare nightsong, idk what it depends on
Do u need shadowheart alive to do/get this quest?
No, but if you do this quest without her, she will be pissed and will leave your party permanently.
Don't know if its going to mess my game up or not but ive executed about everyone I've come across but 3 companions😅
Does Shadow heart have to be here for this ??
What level do you have to be to do this I cannot get past it
I pass in level 7
use silence on balthazar so he cant summon his minions then circle him so he cant leave the area then you just win
What happens if you don't have the spear?
You kill her with a twig you find laying around her
I attacked and killed Balthazar as soon as I saw him thinking he was gonna be hostile immediately 😭😭😭
i decided to kill balthazar when i first met him thinking he'll drop some fat loot for a necroimancer stryle build anmd iw as reight he dropped a ncie helm for necro minionm build plus thej dumbass already revealeed all val;uable info and info i needed so he was no longer useful lol. of course dunno if he stays dead..... lol
Yeah never know with necromancers, could come back as a lich or something.
can you save the nightsong with shadowheart regardless of her approval of you?
yes
@@ReflixMusic but how? I dont get that dialouge where she has any decision. After killing Balthazar i let Shadowheart talk to Nightsong, if i dont kill her Shadowheart is pissed and leaves my group.
Despite maxed standing and shes being my gf basically
@@AlexWBKKIn my playthrough (also romancing her) I told her not to do it but she got mad at first. Afterwards I told her I don’t like it but don’t want to lose her. Nightsong than speaks up and talks about her past and I get two persuasion options to stop her. I think if you give her a hard no and tell her you won’t let her she leaves.
But there might be other hidden conditions that I don’t know about.
@@captainclown2718 thank you. There has to be something else, yes. Like mentioned, i have max standing, shes my affaier but there isnt any dialoge at all.
Shes quite until i warp out of the dungeon, then she quits.
Even if i let her handle the whole situation, there will be never any Dialoge between me and her. 😞
This really sucks hardcore. it ruins my whole game basically.
Ive seen that it comes to this "choice" with any character wanted. Like even LaZel can have the choice option.
THats the thing, i dont have any choice. THis whole part is missing in my game.
i found the problem. Seems if one equips the spear after balthasar but before Nightsong, it wont work. Now i equipped it before balthazar and now it worked ^^
Persuasion chrck of 30 was kind of bullshit, shadowheart is so weak willed lol
Depends on her relationship with you, can also be 14.
Ahh shit I thought we were borderline lovers, although I picked lazel first haha
I let Shadowheart make the decision. She threw away the spear.
Thats the biggest lol, that in the end the persuasion doesnt really matter, if you have at least a friend status with her you dont need to do a check and she will throw the spear away. Same as in the video, player char said literally nothing :D
@@AlphaAttila I have a question if you save nightsong after you save her does it mean that after you complete this side quest the game ends like is it one of the endings in this game?
when i did this shadowhear said she couldnt kill her because she was immortal
Just push Balthazar off the edge lollll. Easiest and best fight ever
But the loot😢....
@@Sakura-Bunny-Boo rather push him off and get past the fight lol.
In my game, I turned him into sheep and barbarian threw him into the chasm
@@andrzejkafel4470 I ran a campaign in dnd and my party did this to a dragon :(
but isnt it like shadow heart;s dream to be a person of shar
You learn later she was born from Selune followers and Shar captured her and brainwashed her and kidnapped her parents just to spite Selune.
Me and my friend saved her and it was so beautiful. We both scream "OMG YAAASSS MOMMIEEEE"
I was disappointed. I wanted to save her and sneak into towers silently. This wretched bulldozer did not allow me to do so.
@@heyhoe168lesbomancy, my favorite kind of magic!
so what happens next if u give nightsong to bathazar
The Balthazar fight is fucking brutal. He kills Gale instantly when the fights starts.
Use Silence with Shadowheart. He cant summon his army or use any spells.
In my playthrough karlach picked the little turd up and pitched him off a cliff.
Its strange how the characters I thought I’d like verses the ones I would not got completely turned upside down.
I thought I’d hate flamboyant vampire Astarion and goodie-two-shoes warlock Wyll; now they’re my favorites in every play through.
Thought I’d like Karlach and Nightsong; now they’re in a running gun battle for my most hated characters. (Isobel is cool, I guess, but I hate her by proxy)
Poor karlach, always disappointed when I kill annoying people
Baulders gate 3 moral of the game blind faith and trust on god is very very bad..
Moral of the story, always have those oil and fire barrels available
ACT II I almost killed everyone by my team... :)) I killed all Zealots and monsters in Tower, and also left only Thorm. After Save NightSong, I heading to finish the job without her help! Done
"im eternal and i remember your face" isnt much a thread to human with 70 years lifespan 😂
I think human lifespans vary greatly in this game. The unconscious guy at the last light inn is over 100 years old and he’s just a normal human that looks like he’s in his 30s. Might be due to the curse though
@@clownworld4655definitely due to the curse. Halsin gives him an "All your friends are dead." Speech if you wake him back up.
Nightsong is an Aasimar, not a human. On top of that most Aasimar are either related to a god at some point in their lineage or they have been touched by one, so they live for well over 100 years. A threat from an aasimar paladin is definitely a serious one, also the being eternal threat is true, since unless an Aasimar is killed in a specific way their body will just resurrect eventually. In terms of dnd races Aasimar are one of the most powerful lore wise due to their relationship with literal gods.
should be a equal reward for saving nightsong as betraying her, cant say i was a big fan of this
Nah, I killed Shadowheart. She was too dangerous to let exist on this world. Nightsong was far more valuable
Why do people like playing as lizards? 🤨
They can be cool as fuck... sometimes lol. I wasn't a fan but managed to make one that looks cool as fuck so yeah... Kinda had to keep going lol
What hapened if baltazar take nightsong?what next?
Still dont know what to do...
Loser
Save her trust me my guy or gal save that bitch…
Embrace the light or the darkness there's more ways this can pan out
Free the angel, it is simply beautiful. Ill probably have other walkthrough later, with the Dark Urge origin and all the GrimDark shit
@@Snumryk freeing the angle leads to shadowheart leaving my group :-(
Pretty disappointed. You can only save her on a solo run...
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