Dam we need an ending where you get all the way to the epilogue and then isobelle storms the dinner party as a lvl 18 chosen of slune or (or maybe a second avatar of merkle:) and tries to murder everyone for lying to her.
The fact there are so many unique dialogues with isobel about killing the nightsong, makes me think that at one point in the development it was possible to kill her, while sparing everyone else in last light inn. Incredible how big this game is and how many things are still being discovered after 1+ year
Yeah - this seems like "cut" content - in that it should be impossible to trigger but was left in. But if it's still in there, the internet will find a way.
In a way this is also such an inefficient way to do things... Think how many hours and how much money went into this for no reason (no real reason). Stuff like this makes me realise why six years were required... I love this game though
Im thinking it's probably because it's possible for the nightsong to die in both battles. So technically if u miss fire a crit arrow at her for eg, u can kill her and still win the katheric battle while the cut scene of last light inn dying would never play.
@@TastyFlanPudding its not possible for Dame Aylin to die while in battle. Doesnt matter how many times u push her or kill her, she just goes back on her feet. If u dont have Shadowheart with you, you are not even able to kill Dame Aylin in Shadowfell - you hurt her and make kethric vulnerable but she survives.
After Aylin's multiple "Begone!" at me in my own camp, i suppose i can take Isobel's "Get out of my sight" 💀 But no promises i wont try to smite her later 🗡️
So...wait... So... Im just spitballing here, Isobel has lines for this situation, that means this was a legitimate outcome. But there's an echo in her voice, I think it was meant to be played at the Mausoleum or Shadowfell. Great work, SlimXG
Nah, the dialogue is specifically meant to play in the camp. It's from the same file as when Aylin is there with her. Any effects on the audio are generated in realtime based on the location you are currently in.
I've banished Aylin using the banish planar spell and killed Isobel in front of her. When she got back she was pissed but forgave me when I gave her isobel's gear I looted 🤣
@@KorPharon You can also do that by luring isobel away from Aylin in the moonrise tower celebration scene, assassinating Isobel, and then returning to Aylin. (It's a neat trick to advance Durge run without condemning Last Light to death OR pissing off Aylin.
This is bonkers to think they recorded a unique dialogue just because of one spell, probably was a legitimate scenario but at some point they decided to override it with destroying last light.
Yeah, I assume there was some other method intended at some point. They _have_ put in lines and adjustments just to account for tricks like this, but *that* much dialogue just for this seems unlikely. But who knows, with Larian . .
@@SlimXG I'd imagine they had a circumstance put in place that the player could kill the Nightsong WITHOUT Shadowheart. You get the spear, you kill the Nightsong but the end result isn't nearly as cataclysmic as it is for Shadowheart sacrificing the Nightsong in Shar's name. In almost every character story, you can go through their specificed story segments without them. But only in Shadowheart's story can you not kill the Nightsong without her. Without shadowheart, the death of the Nightsong occurs and Last Light remains unharmed. Take note of the dialogue option of "Too late, I killed the Nightsong."
@@Polomance862 It's certainly possible. The flags checked during this Isobel dialogue seem to suggest as much, since that, "Killed her myself." line actually requires that someone other than Shadowheart kill Nightsong. (There's an alternate version for when Shadowheart killed her, I just adjusted the flags to show this one because I thought it was funnier . .)
@@SlimXG that's actually interesting. The lore and story says that only shadowheart is able to actually KILL Nightsong. If TAV (non-SH) or anyone else does that, she should just come back to life, again!
Thank you for posting this! Just did this and seemed to work perfectly. I play as Durge and got the Slayer form because it does say Isobel is dead eventho everyone is perfectly fine in Last Light! I just wanted DJ Shadowheart but you will otherwise not only lose Dammon as vendor but also the ironhand gnomes. This usually makes me have Shadowheart spare Nightsong. Very glad this worked.
This is actually really amazing! Losing Last Light Inn and all the NPCs for act 3 is the main reason why I only ever have Sharran Shadowheart around in my evil murder hobo Durge playthroughs. Which is kinda of a shame because she has a lot of distinct voice lines from normal Shadowheart.
This implies at one point that the last light inn would not have fallen due to this choice, so I wonder why they changed it. It does make sense that perhaps Selune faltered in a moment of grief and let the protection lapse. I guess you would have still been able to team up with the Harpers to assist moonrise? Maybe they thought it was a fitting result of going down the evil route. Also it’s crazy as a cleric/paladin of Selune you still keep your powers. I’m sure it’s only because of the threat of the absolute, but I wonder if Tav is gonna get dropped after the netherbrain is dead.
I am attempting to find workarounds so I can keep the teifling traders from the Grove. That way, when I do my evil playthrough. I can get the most gear from every vender. This helps, a lot.
Can you do something similar when raiding the Grove? I know you can “kidnap” Dammon from Last Light before everyone turns into zombies and he’ll be in Baldurs Gate
Same here, one thing I tried was solving the Shadow Druid quest for the good outcome and then leaving the area to the Creche area and then going back. When you go back to the grove all the tieflings are gone with just the druids there. I then finished the grove off with the goblins thinking I'm home free. Sadly, no tieflings at Last Light regardless which is lame.
I always wanted to do this for my evil run, but i couldn't because i didn't want to lose Jaheira, Dammon, the Ironhand, but thanks for this video now i know how! Now i can make Shadowheart a Dark Justiciar without losing potential allies for final battle
I wish the Player could tell Isobel that Ketheric's source of invulnerability is an immortal aasimaar and Isobel would join the player in the Shadowfell.
There are lots of weird things like that. For instance playing as dark urge, you find out you are bhalspawn and you can tell every companion about it except Jaheria unless you have triggered the camp scene where she watches you as you have nightmares. Or when finding a literal document that describes Jergel as Withers you also cannot confront him. I’m sure he would refuse to talk about it but it sure is frustrating that the PC won’t acknowledge it.
I had an especially dark playthrough where SH ended up dying, and I tried killing the Nightsong without her but it was impossible. I tried different abilities and methods but failed. As Dark Urge, there was some crazy evil dialogue options too, basically fully admitting you're torturing her for fun. Ultimately I talked to her and offered a bargain, I'd free her if she didn't turn on me immediately and she was like "you're an evil fuck but it's nothing compared to how many times Kethric killed me" then I released her and we become best friends because she was completely psychotic. This game is insane lmao
And if you haven't seen the dialogue with Aylin if you hand her over to Lorroakan and then tell Isobel to go try to save her (and get herself killed), I highly recommend it.
Man, Isobel’s VA did some of her best work for a scenario that very, very few people will ever recreate normally in their playthroughs. Kind of a shame, really. But thank you for sharing this! Really really cool, it seems like there’s always more to discover with this game
This is incredible! Larian really put SO MUCH EFFORT into making this game and it really shows! Also, I find it disturbing that you can actually abuse Silence like this and get away with it lol Thank you for this very entertaining and informative video!
Loving your videos on baldur’s gate 3 man. You do such cool deep dives into the weird intricacies of this amazing game. Really hoping the act 3 honor mode guide is happening as that’s one of my favorite series of yours! Silence is the GOAT!
Just did this in my playthrough - confirming it works great. There's also a funny clip of Aylin's forehead in the initial animation of switching to act 3, maybe because Aylin isn't there haha. I also told Isobel specifically not to come to my camp, and she showed up anyways, which is the same thing that happens with Aylin (Jaheira does the same). So that definitely stays consistent, with characters butting into your camp, not taking no for an answer and never leaving. In camp, Isobel's dialogue ended up leading to "It's a long story, but I'll tell it. You deserve to know" and the only response option was "Leave." Hahahah this is definitely not polished at all, I love it. I did take the dialogue options in reverse order at least. I wasn't able to tell her to go find Nightsong on the shadow lands, so I suppose she'll butt in my camp for the rest of the game. Like Jaheira, had I not poked her when she first tried to ensnare me
Yeah, that one line you mentioned blocks out all the other dialogue options. I didn't mention it in the video, since I figured I'm just showing all of the lines, anyway. And even if you tell her that Aylin is still alive and pass the Performance check, she still doesn't leave your camp! She just stands around saying how she can't wait to give her main squeeze a squeeze.
"Or Paladin of Shar." Since Larian did say that Patch 7 won't be the final-final patch, maybe, just maybe, that'll be something we'll get to have. And then I'll have to have yet another playthrough. Anyhow obligatory comment of wanting secret dialogue for raiding the grove hidden away somewhere to be added by Larian. And, obligatory comment about Minthara, but this time it's a comment and not a request. I've found recent dialogue in game of her being addressed by Z'rell when returning to Moonrise from the Gauntlet, and also by Balthazar when in your party walking to the gauntlet. Maybe it's bad memory or user error, but I don't remember that triggering before.
Yeah, of course, the only way to actually be a "Paladin of Shar" at the moment is to also be a Cleric of Shar, but hey, it's in there. If you can get me a word-for-word quote of at least one distinct line from those scenes you mentioned, I can look it up and check it out.
@@SlimXG Don't happen to have the one Z'rel had when returning to Moonrise, but I do have it when approaching the Gauntlet. I appreciate you, and thankfully I screenshotted to show friends. (Also, Reconstituted Marksman is Balth) Reconstituted Marksman: Your pet drow, Minthara, should recognize me. I'm her superior after all. As for these creatures.
@@christinabutterfield1801 Ohh right, since she's always locked into Shar. I was thinking of the other gods for a normal character, since it was possible to set a deity for paladins in Early Access.
Oh this is perfect. Nightsong is the only characters in this game that i actively hated, but could never get rid of due to how tied she is to the survival of Last Light.
it seems to me that this dialogue was meant to be played in act 2 but they changed some Isobel stuff, it's no longer accessible without weird interactions like this.
It certainly seems like there was meant to be some more normal method for ending up in this scenario. All that dialogue is in the same file as the usual Aylin+Isobel version in your camp.
"Because you never told me how dear she was to you and because you hid your lineage. If you look at it carefully Isobel, it is your fault that Aylin got murdered. How can you live with yourself?"
I can't think of anyone in BG3 with more confidence and less actual combat ability than Aylin. Maybe Naaber, but at least he comes to terms with things.
i actually got some of these after reading EVERY book or scroll or letter i could get my hands on, especially everything to do with their family (some i got from Ketheric and his wife's bedroom, and isobel's old room) and doing EVERYTHING in act 2 except going to the nightsong (including murdering everyone in moonrise, murdering their family members while getting as much information out of them as i could, and the gauntlet of Shar) then talking to isobel in last light inn, get these dialoge options, and only after that i saved the nightsong
I love your videos, mate! They're always so informative and entertaining. I love discovering new things about this game that I'll (probably) never actually get to experience for myself. I'm on PS5, so my options are pretty limited as far as fixing bugs and shit is concerned - but Isobel hasn't been in my camp (or anywhere else, afaik) since the beginning of Act Three. And by that, I mean the last time I saw & spoke to her was at Moonrise Towers at the end of Act Two - and even then she acted super strange; like her and Dame Aylin never spoke to or about each other, they never had a reunion scene... none of that. It really sucks, and not just for story purposes, either - because I really wanted to knock her ass out and steal her unique equipment 😭 (Also, every time I see Isobel I have a little bit of whiplash... because she looks almost _exactly_ like one of my ex-girlfriend's lol 😒)
@@SlimXG Minthara happened lol. Well, ok, I don't know that _for sure..._ but I suspect getting her & Halsin both on my good playthrough had something to do with it. I only say that because it's also caused other issues to pop up here and there that never happened before I recruited her... so I can only assume. Oh well 😮💨 thanks anyways, though! _Hot drow > normal gameplay experience._
@@island_dancer Yeah, it really sucks. I missed out on a lot of cutscenes and dialogue with her / her and Dame Aylin / her and everyone else :( I also encountered another super fun glitch where my Debtor's Attire will just completely disappear the moment I leave the House of Hope lol. So now I can't even go back in there anymore unless I'm ready to fight the whole entire house. I was really, REALLY hoping the new patch would fix this nonsense. I even submitted a bug report... but nope, nothing. Now, here we are... 😮💨
I love my moon lesi's so much. The voice acting is impeccable and their VA's live stream playthrough was sooooo sweet. Thanks for showing the lines I'd never have the courage to experiment with lol
Hahah that was exactly why I showed all of it in the video. I figured many people might be interested in seeing rare dialogue but could never bring themselves to actually do what's required to trigger it. Especially telling Isobel, "Aylin's fine, you should go find her!" 😈
i’m so convinced this game was made with next level ai and that’s how we get these rare dialogues. the clip of karlach breaking the 4th wall is just creepy
These vids have done wonders for my enjoyment of the game and have Scratch'd and itch for How's It's Made that I didn't know I could get a fix for anywhere else. Needless to say, I'm loving the channel.
I also like 'Silence'. Used it on Priestess Gutt, so she couldn't call reinforcements. One time Aradin was still standing inside and couldn't talk to his archer mate so he was just standing inside. The power of the spell is incredible!
Just tried this method with Durge Oath of the Ancients. Got Oathbreaker for this (which I wanted) and Slayer as well (which I didn't lol) Isobel and all the inn lives.
If your avatar isn't part of the conversation, you don't influence her at all and she always kills Nightsong. It's just not a situation seen very often, since your character has to be dead when the conversation starts.
It is crazy that they prepared a bunch of dialogue for an alternative outcome of an event that is triggered by skipping a cutscene using a spell. I can only suspect that there was some unfinished content here that would allow you to kill Aylin and spare Isobel. It is crazy if they expected the player to somehow bypass the cutscene! By the way, I thought Shadowheart has a hidden Nightsong score that decides whether she will autonomously kill Aylin?
That Isobel dialogue has been in the game since at least version 1.0, so it's certainly possible that they had some other method in mind during development that didn't make it in. Shadowheart's Nightsong Points can play a part in how easy it is to spare Aylin (though 40+ Approval is the more important factor). But that's only true if your player avatar is in the conversation to influence her. If your character is dead (or probably other things, like Silenced, polymorphed, etc.) when the dialogue starts, Shadowheart goes down a totally separate conversation branch where she always kills the Nightsong, provided she has the Spear of Night.
Just tested that today and as durge you also get the slayer because it considers Isobel and last light dead (even though they’re very much alive and kicking!), amazing for a evil durge with still the advantages of having dammon in act 3, and evil shadowheart
Hah that is great. I hadn't been doing any Dark Urge testing, so I wasn't able to confirm that. I had read people say that killing Nightsong gives you slayer form, but I figured that was just because it also killed Isobel.
Is there a way to prevent it though, I wonder? Playing a resist durge, so I didn't want the slayer form, but killed nightsong (while using the silence trick, so isobell lived). I guess there probably isn't.. :|
I think the only concern I have in this dialogue when you disclose Aylin's fate. A deception roll really isn't mandatory when she really hasn't any reason not to believe you if Ketheric was able to take control of her immortality. Sure, she wants to find her beloved yet I feel like there's many ways they could've made that scene work. 1. Admit to killing Aylin 1.1: Claim she was controlled and couldn't be rationalized with.(Lie - Pretend not being able to stop her.) 1.2: Claim Aylin requested to be killed to stop Ketheric. (Lie - Make it sound like Aylin's heroic sacrifice.) 1.3: Admit to knowing no other way to make Ketheric vulnerable. (Truth - Only Aylin tells you how to break the curse on her and she doesn't disclose that until Shadowheart throws the spear away.) 1.4 Admit wanting to kill a demi-god. (Truth - You chose to kill a divine creature just to piss off Isobel.)
Avatar Shadowheart gets a chance to choose if you want to change her hair on the Selune path, and I haven't actually looked into where/when the same choice exists for the Shar path.
Hmm, you could probably do it even after the Balthazar fight, since you have to click Nightsong to start her conversation, in that case. Should be as simple as moving the Silence caster far enough away to not get pulled into the conversation. But at the moment, I haven't tested it.
@@socalminstrel I mean Aylin has been killed by hundreds of Dark Justiciars before, hasn't she? She just comes back to life to be fodder for the next one. There's nothing to imply this won't happen again.
Except that when Shadowheart uses that spear, Aylin is permanently dead,, Aylin says that herself when Shart pierces her. "A true death, at last" @@vileluca
I could never again, always have to save Shadowheart from Shar and reunite Isobel and Dame Aylin. One evil playthrough and it was so hard to do, it hurt to see everyone fall to their worsts self. Only saving nightsong from now on and making sure Shadowheart is happy and safe and same with dame.
Hi! Thanks for your video, it was very interesting. But now I wondering - what program you use to see the dialogues? Can you please tell the name? Tnx :)
Hahah I don't know why they actually decided to fix that trick to work properly. It was an odd choice. They _could_ change things more generally to stop Silence from breaking cutscenes, but they seem to like the "Well, if they're Silenced, they can't talk" explanation.
she notices this, yet no one even mentions Jaheria died at moonlight towers. Standing by her coprse saying "with you and jaherai to lead us, we cant lose!" .........
Wait, what? how/why would anyone think that Silence stops a cutscene if no one is casting a spell? is there a game mechanics, coding or narrative logic to this? but by the way I am real happy to know this now cause I love DJ Shart but also like Jaheira/Minsc and the Iron Gnome stuff in Act 3. so thank you for figuring this out!
@@SlimXG Aha thanks I never would have guessed. I guess the game is more “realistic” in that way than I assumed. along those lines, i had read online that Raphael can’t sing his big finale song if silenced, but I tried it and it seems to be a funny but false idea.
my game is slightly broken where my Durge didn't answer Isobel when Marcus spoke telepathically, so Isobel assumed the party took Marcus's side and aggro'd. I had Durge attack Isobel while the party attacked the allied Marcus and ghouls while healing the aggro Isobel. Eventually my barbarian Durge rage ended, so I had them flee the fight. I forgot Shovel, who stayed locked in combat with Isobel. I finished Halsin's quest then left Last Light and dismissed Shovel, which aggro'd the rest of Last Light. I've not returned and I'm curious to see how it will play out after Shadowfell. I might just try both versions, saving Nightsong and this silence trick just to see what happens!
That's a hell of a scenario you cooked up, there hahah. I do know that killing Nightsong counts as the requirement for the Dark Urge quest to kill Isobel, even if you use the Silence trick to prevent her from dying.
I am playing an evil playthrough now and it's the first time I made Shadowheart kill the Nightsong. It turned out she gets awesome equipment that basically can be played as an end-game stuff. Infinite darkness, local darkness on attack, teleportation into the shadows and Shadowheart can then see through the magical darkness. The only problem is, that the default Shadowheart has one attack and cannot utilize this setup efficiently. I wonder, how to create a valid build for her? I guess it will have to combine paladin, which makes sense, she is becoming dark justiciar. However, for roleplaying purposes, she needs to have some cleric levels as well, which already stops the possibility to get 3 attacks per action. Still, she can have 2 attacks with 5 lvl paladin. For some extra attack, she needs to become cleric of war. So now the question is, with 5 paladin levels, should she be 7 lvl cleric, or 2 lvl cleric and 10 paladin? Hmm... Or add different class? But that wouldn't make sense rollplaying wise. It would be great if she was great in melee but offered some good offense spell as well. I guess it's time to test it.
@Kek393 Yes, but with Pal 7/Warlock 5 as Oathbreker you get 3 attacks per action, 2 spell slots for smites recoverable per short turn and aura of hate which with CHAR 24 gives you +7 to damage. This is more a melee build. It doesn't have that much smites, but you hit on average 50-60 dmg per attack without smite and with haste, elixir of bloodlust and 2H weapon specialization, you get 10 attacks per round plus smites to up your damage when needed plus crits, so you can do 500 dmg per round (counting crits and potential misses). With ring of a mystic scoundrel, you can sacrifice bonus attack and cast some spells. This is by far one of the most powerful builds in BG3. You just kills many opponents per one hit, even if they have 70-90 hp. The con is, you can't get to them all in one round, because you are out of the opponents in your movement range, so sometimes you have to relay on eldritch blasts or bow, which does less damage. However, with bonus action, cast black whole and you have your opponents within reach. Considering various cons and pros, this is in overall the best melee with some spells build that have access to smites but don't even need to rely on them that much, because it hits like a truck. Ah, to explain more, I played githyanki with the sword of astral plane, so I get psychic damage and use this stone that adds vulnerability to psychic damage everyone around, plus psychic damage from the concentration (from ring), plus necrotic damage from gloves. It all adds up. And also +7 to saving throws from aura.
@@michadybczak4862 "It doesn't have that much smites". You just answered your own question why the build isn't that great. Better to go paladin 5/war cleric 7 to get 2 base attacks (3 with divine favor) while still having access to Spirit Guardians. Use Divine Intervention to get the Devotee's Mace, and then comboing its passive heal aura with Hellrider's Pride gloves and Whispering Promise ring to passively get free Bless + Blade Ward. Combine this with the radiant orb applying armor and ring and it sounds like it can be a super powerhouse build that spams Radiant damage like crazy. Aura of Hate is cool and all but you need to focus your entire build on damage, when Paladin/Cleric will simply never be a nuke like a Sorcadin. There's also the fact that 24 Charisma will not transfer to a bonus to hit because you'll need Str or Dex for that. Hell, even without the whole Devotee's Mace thing, going more heavily into Cleric you can use all 3x 4th level slots for smites, while also having a 5th level Spirit Guardians active, so you're just doing massively more damage across the board. Then the next round rather then being out of resources, you've still got 3x 3rd level slots, so you still hit harder on the second round then the Lockadin does on their best.
What's Shar's favorite flavor of gum?
Spearmint.
(Recorded on Patch 7, version 4.1.1.5849914)
i was scared for a second they patched that out, thanks for clarifying
Pfft 🤣
Do you still get the Shar loot if you do this ?
@@Plaid_pants_panter Yep, you get the full set of Shar gear, including the Spear of Evening
can you do this to survive "wish" it seems like it would work as well as they is a certain sound that play to trigger the whole dead party game over.
Gaslighting Isobel to go back looking for her in the shadowcurse is DIABOLICAL 💀😭
😈
She'd probably go and do it to bless her 😂
Yas Queen Slay!!! ❤
she is gonna be fine
Dam we need an ending where you get all the way to the epilogue and then isobelle storms the dinner party as a lvl 18 chosen of slune or (or maybe a second avatar of merkle:) and tries to murder everyone for lying to her.
If you killed Nightsong but you were in a silence bubble so no one could hear you do it, did you truly killed Nightsong ?
Selune didn't hear her daughter die so that's why she never got depressed and stop giving power to Isobel . True sharran trickery
@@marcinkrz3140 Schrödinger's Nightsong
Shes alive until her death is heard!
"THE CROWN"
...thanks gale.
This killed me harder than the Nightsong was 🤣
Gale keeping his priorities in check as usual lol
MYSTRA.
AAAAAAA lol
Isobel joking to SH that she will change colour of hair seems to be mocking of SH's new hair but oh boy something has gone terribly wrong...
The fact there are so many unique dialogues with isobel about killing the nightsong, makes me think that at one point in the development it was possible to kill her, while sparing everyone else in last light inn. Incredible how big this game is and how many things are still being discovered after 1+ year
Yeah - this seems like "cut" content - in that it should be impossible to trigger but was left in. But if it's still in there, the internet will find a way.
In a way this is also such an inefficient way to do things... Think how many hours and how much money went into this for no reason (no real reason). Stuff like this makes me realise why six years were required...
I love this game though
Im thinking it's probably because it's possible for the nightsong to die in both battles. So technically if u miss fire a crit arrow at her for eg, u can kill her and still win the katheric battle while the cut scene of last light inn dying would never play.
@@TastyFlanPudding its not possible for Dame Aylin to die while in battle. Doesnt matter how many times u push her or kill her, she just goes back on her feet. If u dont have Shadowheart with you, you are not even able to kill Dame Aylin in Shadowfell - you hurt her and make kethric vulnerable but she survives.
@@baransimsek5943 gg then, no excuses 🤣
Isobel is so damn patient given that Shadowheart just killed the love of her life lol
Yeah if it had been reversed you know Dame Aylin would fight you right there and do the back breaker move on your PC that she did to Lorraquin.
@@theredeft5319 given the broken builds and F8 she would lose but I know she would try
@@theredeft5319 Lorroakan...
The love of her life AND the daughter of her her goddess.
@@theredeft5319 Not true. Had Astarion assassinate Isobel in Moonrise after defeating Kethric - and Aylin _cowered_!
She says get out of her sight, but she's standing in your camp. The audacity.
After Aylin's multiple "Begone!" at me in my own camp, i suppose i can take Isobel's "Get out of my sight" 💀
But no promises i wont try to smite her later 🗡️
Get out of your sight? How about you get out of MY camp first.
Isobel's voice actor nailed these voice lines, she's really pissed sounding
Yeah, Mia Foo is great.
The VAs in this game nailed it. Even obscure lines got full treatment. BG3 is a beautiful game.😊
LMAO the darkness can't overtake last light inn because you're silenced
Maybe the idea is that Shar didn't hear the narrator?
@@jayk9068 Hahah excellent explanation
Silence so loud Selune couldn't hear her daughter being murdered. Her strength remained guarding the living instead of mourning the dead~~
@@rubyl4480 Pretty good explanation haha
if Last Light Inn falls in the shadow-cursed lands and nobody hears it?
didn't happen
this is a 10 out of 10 joke
So...wait... So... Im just spitballing here, Isobel has lines for this situation, that means this was a legitimate outcome. But there's an echo in her voice, I think it was meant to be played at the Mausoleum or Shadowfell.
Great work, SlimXG
Nah, the dialogue is specifically meant to play in the camp. It's from the same file as when Aylin is there with her. Any effects on the audio are generated in realtime based on the location you are currently in.
I'm surprised Isobel doesn't go hostile if you admit you killed Aylin.
As usual, amazing videos and finds!
I've banished Aylin using the banish planar spell and killed Isobel in front of her. When she got back she was pissed but forgave me when I gave her isobel's gear I looted 🤣
@@KorPharon You can also do that by luring isobel away from Aylin in the moonrise tower celebration scene, assassinating Isobel, and then returning to Aylin.
(It's a neat trick to advance Durge run without condemning Last Light to death OR pissing off Aylin.
Please make Gale saying “The Crown” a running joke in your videos
And I picked that one from the list of others that I still haven't shown yet hahah.
I’m excited to see what you have in store
The weave
Mystra 🗿
What’s Gale’s favorite show on Netflix?
Shadow Curse: Now we shall take this inn!
Tav:
Shadow Curse: Understandable, have a nice day
This is bonkers to think they recorded a unique dialogue just because of one spell, probably was a legitimate scenario but at some point they decided to override it with destroying last light.
Yeah, I assume there was some other method intended at some point. They _have_ put in lines and adjustments just to account for tricks like this, but *that* much dialogue just for this seems unlikely. But who knows, with Larian . .
@@SlimXG I'd imagine they had a circumstance put in place that the player could kill the Nightsong WITHOUT Shadowheart. You get the spear, you kill the Nightsong but the end result isn't nearly as cataclysmic as it is for Shadowheart sacrificing the Nightsong in Shar's name. In almost every character story, you can go through their specificed story segments without them. But only in Shadowheart's story can you not kill the Nightsong without her.
Without shadowheart, the death of the Nightsong occurs and Last Light remains unharmed. Take note of the dialogue option of "Too late, I killed the Nightsong."
@@Polomance862 It's certainly possible. The flags checked during this Isobel dialogue seem to suggest as much, since that, "Killed her myself." line actually requires that someone other than Shadowheart kill Nightsong. (There's an alternate version for when Shadowheart killed her, I just adjusted the flags to show this one because I thought it was funnier . .)
@@SlimXG that's actually interesting. The lore and story says that only shadowheart is able to actually KILL Nightsong. If TAV (non-SH) or anyone else does that, she should just come back to life, again!
Thank you for posting this! Just did this and seemed to work perfectly. I play as Durge and got the Slayer form because it does say Isobel is dead eventho everyone is perfectly fine in Last Light!
I just wanted DJ Shadowheart but you will otherwise not only lose Dammon as vendor but also the ironhand gnomes. This usually makes me have Shadowheart spare Nightsong. Very glad this worked.
Excellent. It works out even better than I would have thought. Everything's coming up Durgehouse!
The crown
Karsus.
Thanks Gale.
The crown
Its somewhere in the chionthar
Mystra
This is actually really amazing! Losing Last Light Inn and all the NPCs for act 3 is the main reason why I only ever have Sharran Shadowheart around in my evil murder hobo Durge playthroughs. Which is kinda of a shame because she has a lot of distinct voice lines from normal Shadowheart.
This does pretty much create a best of both worlds for anyone that wants Shardowheart in the party, without the usual drawbacks.
Damn, I am so impressed about this dialogue existing. Such a specific thing and yet the game has a good amount of dialogue for it it seems.
that lakrissa spearing felt so real
Well, now, she actually won the bet
Where's the money Lakrissa!!!
Gale a true wizard of knowledge 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
A true wizard of the crown
This implies at one point that the last light inn would not have fallen due to this choice, so I wonder why they changed it. It does make sense that perhaps Selune faltered in a moment of grief and let the protection lapse. I guess you would have still been able to team up with the Harpers to assist moonrise? Maybe they thought it was a fitting result of going down the evil route.
Also it’s crazy as a cleric/paladin of Selune you still keep your powers. I’m sure it’s only because of the threat of the absolute, but I wonder if Tav is gonna get dropped after the netherbrain is dead.
Hey, hey, it was Shadowheart that killed Selune's daughter. I totally tried to talk her out of it.
Gale: no thoughts, only crown
I was shocked to see that this video wasn’t from a massive channel. Fantastic video
Thank you. You are quite welcome to help make it massiver.
I am attempting to find workarounds so I can keep the teifling traders from the Grove. That way, when I do my evil playthrough. I can get the most gear from every vender. This helps, a lot.
Hey man soon as you find out post it here. I'm tired of killing my boy Damon
This also lets you KO the Nightsong but still progress Karlach's quest, which is nice honestly.
Can you do something similar when raiding the Grove? I know you can “kidnap” Dammon from Last Light before everyone turns into zombies and he’ll be in Baldurs Gate
@@formatomiwait, what?!
Same here, one thing I tried was solving the Shadow Druid quest for the good outcome and then leaving the area to the Creche area and then going back. When you go back to the grove all the tieflings are gone with just the druids there. I then finished the grove off with the goblins thinking I'm home free. Sadly, no tieflings at Last Light regardless which is lame.
I always wanted to do this for my evil run, but i couldn't because i didn't want to lose Jaheira, Dammon, the Ironhand, but thanks for this video now i know how! Now i can make Shadowheart a Dark Justiciar without losing potential allies for final battle
Everybody wins!
(except Nightsong)
love permutation like this.. why this game is so goooood!!! thanks for the guide
"The Crown" 😂 Ah I love Gale and his obsession with that piece of jewellery in act 3.
This was great to know about this, great to see isobel turning red
The Crown
The Karsite Weave.
I wish the Player could tell Isobel that Ketheric's source of invulnerability is an immortal aasimaar and Isobel would join the player in the Shadowfell.
There are lots of weird things like that. For instance playing as dark urge, you find out you are bhalspawn and you can tell every companion about it except Jaheria unless you have triggered the camp scene where she watches you as you have nightmares. Or when finding a literal document that describes Jergel as Withers you also cannot confront him. I’m sure he would refuse to talk about it but it sure is frustrating that the PC won’t acknowledge it.
@@theredeft5319I mean, Jaheira was onto Durge almost immediately and spoke up as soon as the far more immediate concern was dealt with.
I don't know if Last Light Inn would hold up too well if Isobel went on a vacation to see her gal pal.
@@SlimXG True, then again babysitting a few random stranger or reconnecting with the love of your life... ;)
@@SlimXG We'll empty the lower floors of Moonrise and send them all there with Jaheira as guard xD
I had an especially dark playthrough where SH ended up dying, and I tried killing the Nightsong without her but it was impossible. I tried different abilities and methods but failed. As Dark Urge, there was some crazy evil dialogue options too, basically fully admitting you're torturing her for fun. Ultimately I talked to her and offered a bargain, I'd free her if she didn't turn on me immediately and she was like "you're an evil fuck but it's nothing compared to how many times Kethric killed me" then I released her and we become best friends because she was completely psychotic. This game is insane lmao
And if you haven't seen the dialogue with Aylin if you hand her over to Lorroakan and then tell Isobel to go try to save her (and get herself killed), I highly recommend it.
@@SlimXG omg Durge is a menace
The Lakrissa poke should be in game too :)
If only!
why?
Man, Isobel’s VA did some of her best work for a scenario that very, very few people will ever recreate normally in their playthroughs. Kind of a shame, really. But thank you for sharing this! Really really cool, it seems like there’s always more to discover with this game
This is incredible! Larian really put SO MUCH EFFORT into making this game and it really shows! Also, I find it disturbing that you can actually abuse Silence like this and get away with it lol Thank you for this very entertaining and informative video!
Thank you very much for watching it!
One of the most rewarding things in this game is saving them both. They are genuinely so sweet, it's awesome to see them so happy!
Loving your videos on baldur’s gate 3 man. You do such cool deep dives into the weird intricacies of this amazing game. Really hoping the act 3 honor mode guide is happening as that’s one of my favorite series of yours! Silence is the GOAT!
Just did this in my playthrough - confirming it works great. There's also a funny clip of Aylin's forehead in the initial animation of switching to act 3, maybe because Aylin isn't there haha. I also told Isobel specifically not to come to my camp, and she showed up anyways, which is the same thing that happens with Aylin (Jaheira does the same). So that definitely stays consistent, with characters butting into your camp, not taking no for an answer and never leaving.
In camp, Isobel's dialogue ended up leading to "It's a long story, but I'll tell it. You deserve to know" and the only response option was "Leave." Hahahah this is definitely not polished at all, I love it. I did take the dialogue options in reverse order at least.
I wasn't able to tell her to go find Nightsong on the shadow lands, so I suppose she'll butt in my camp for the rest of the game. Like Jaheira, had I not poked her when she first tried to ensnare me
Yeah, that one line you mentioned blocks out all the other dialogue options. I didn't mention it in the video, since I figured I'm just showing all of the lines, anyway. And even if you tell her that Aylin is still alive and pass the Performance check, she still doesn't leave your camp! She just stands around saying how she can't wait to give her main squeeze a squeeze.
I hope there are more interesting interactions like this because not only are they fun, your videos are amazing!
Now I have something worth checking out while waiting for patch 7 on Xbox. Thanks!
Great vid as always, best bg3 game content out there. Also you kinda sound like the how its made guy
People keep telling me that I sound like that guy . . 🤔
You can also protect people in Last light from the shadow curse by knocking them unconscious and leaving a light source near them.
"Or Paladin of Shar."
Since Larian did say that Patch 7 won't be the final-final patch, maybe, just maybe, that'll be something we'll get to have.
And then I'll have to have yet another playthrough.
Anyhow obligatory comment of wanting secret dialogue for raiding the grove hidden away somewhere to be added by Larian.
And, obligatory comment about Minthara, but this time it's a comment and not a request. I've found recent dialogue in game of her being addressed by Z'rell when returning to Moonrise from the Gauntlet, and also by Balthazar when in your party walking to the gauntlet. Maybe it's bad memory or user error, but I don't remember that triggering before.
Yeah, of course, the only way to actually be a "Paladin of Shar" at the moment is to also be a Cleric of Shar, but hey, it's in there. If you can get me a word-for-word quote of at least one distinct line from those scenes you mentioned, I can look it up and check it out.
@@SlimXG Don't happen to have the one Z'rel had when returning to Moonrise, but I do have it when approaching the Gauntlet. I appreciate you, and thankfully I screenshotted to show friends. (Also, Reconstituted Marksman is Balth)
Reconstituted Marksman: Your pet drow, Minthara, should recognize me. I'm her superior after all. As for these creatures.
@@JakeSPuwuowo69 I can find that line in the same form, with the same checks, going back to the 1.0 dialogue files.
@SlimXG pretty sure if you swap shadowheart to paladin you can be a paladin of Shar without being a cleric
@@christinabutterfield1801 Ohh right, since she's always locked into Shar. I was thinking of the other gods for a normal character, since it was possible to set a deity for paladins in Early Access.
The Crownsite Weave.
The Kars of Crownus.
Oh this is perfect. Nightsong is the only characters in this game that i actively hated, but could never get rid of due to how tied she is to the survival of Last Light.
Gale: "The Crown."
...
Gale, ladies and gents. Gale.
it seems to me that this dialogue was meant to be played in act 2 but they changed some Isobel stuff, it's no longer accessible without weird interactions like this.
It certainly seems like there was meant to be some more normal method for ending up in this scenario. All that dialogue is in the same file as the usual Aylin+Isobel version in your camp.
Tried this out today. It worked, and Durge gets their iniquitous prize?? Didn't expect that.
Everybody wins! Well, except Aylin.
Wait what? So Durge still gets the Slayer form even though Isabel lives? OMG i'm so going to try this
Isobel:"How could you kill somone so precious and good?!"
Me: "She was very annoying."
"Because you never told me how dear she was to you and because you hid your lineage. If you look at it carefully Isobel, it is your fault that Aylin got murdered. How can you live with yourself?"
Tbh, if she wasn't an immortal ally and willing to do a "bane" against an annoying ass wizard down the line I would kill her every time.
@@Morrodin182 Nah, I'd still skewer her because I can't stand her personality.
How to durge
I can't think of anyone in BG3 with more confidence and less actual combat ability than Aylin. Maybe Naaber, but at least he comes to terms with things.
Great thumbnail, man. Lol
Impressive findings and thank you for the video !
Thank you for the watching!
Last light inn is the only thing stopping me from spearing Nightsong in every playthrough.
Sounds like Aylin's got a rough future ahead of her, now . .
Same.
That psycho is never walking out of the Shadowfell in my playthroughs ever again
@@vileluca Psycho? What psycho? What the hell are you talking about?
This is so cool! Thank you for sharing this method
i actually got some of these after reading EVERY book or scroll or letter i could get my hands on, especially everything to do with their family (some i got from Ketheric and his wife's bedroom, and isobel's old room) and doing EVERYTHING in act 2 except going to the nightsong (including murdering everyone in moonrise, murdering their family members while getting as much information out of them as i could, and the gauntlet of Shar) then talking to isobel in last light inn, get these dialoge options, and only after that i saved the nightsong
I love your videos, mate! They're always so informative and entertaining. I love discovering new things about this game that I'll (probably) never actually get to experience for myself.
I'm on PS5, so my options are pretty limited as far as fixing bugs and shit is concerned - but Isobel hasn't been in my camp (or anywhere else, afaik) since the beginning of Act Three. And by that, I mean the last time I saw & spoke to her was at Moonrise Towers at the end of Act Two - and even then she acted super strange; like her and Dame Aylin never spoke to or about each other, they never had a reunion scene... none of that. It really sucks, and not just for story purposes, either - because I really wanted to knock her ass out and steal her unique equipment 😭
(Also, every time I see Isobel I have a little bit of whiplash... because she looks almost _exactly_ like one of my ex-girlfriend's lol 😒)
Thank you! Wish I could help with your Isobel issue, but I don't know what happened to you, there.
@@SlimXG Minthara happened lol.
Well, ok, I don't know that _for sure..._ but I suspect getting her & Halsin both on my good playthrough had something to do with it. I only say that because it's also caused other issues to pop up here and there that never happened before I recruited her... so I can only assume. Oh well 😮💨 thanks anyways, though!
_Hot drow > normal gameplay experience._
I just got to act 3 and Isobel isn't showing up in camp for me either...
@@island_dancer Yeah, it really sucks. I missed out on a lot of cutscenes and dialogue with her / her and Dame Aylin / her and everyone else :(
I also encountered another super fun glitch where my Debtor's Attire will just completely disappear the moment I leave the House of Hope lol. So now I can't even go back in there anymore unless I'm ready to fight the whole entire house.
I was really, REALLY hoping the new patch would fix this nonsense. I even submitted a bug report... but nope, nothing. Now, here we are... 😮💨
I love my moon lesi's so much. The voice acting is impeccable and their VA's live stream playthrough was sooooo sweet. Thanks for showing the lines I'd never have the courage to experiment with lol
Hahah that was exactly why I showed all of it in the video. I figured many people might be interested in seeing rare dialogue but could never bring themselves to actually do what's required to trigger it. Especially telling Isobel, "Aylin's fine, you should go find her!" 😈
i’m so convinced this game was made with next level ai and that’s how we get these rare dialogues. the clip of karlach breaking the 4th wall is just creepy
These vids have done wonders for my enjoyment of the game and have Scratch'd and itch for How's It's Made that I didn't know I could get a fix for anywhere else. Needless to say, I'm loving the channel.
Well thank you very much. I'm loving you loving the channel.
I also like 'Silence'. Used it on Priestess Gutt, so she couldn't call reinforcements. One time Aradin was still standing inside and couldn't talk to his archer mate so he was just standing inside. The power of the spell is incredible!
High quality video. Thanks for making this.
Just tried this method with Durge Oath of the Ancients. Got Oathbreaker for this (which I wanted) and Slayer as well (which I didn't lol) Isobel and all the inn lives.
Ah, very interesting. I've still done very little research on Dark Urge mechanics, so this is good to know.
You get Slayer after triggering any event in which the inhabitants of Last Light Inn die, I think
Bruh the whiplash of watching the video and then seeing it again in my recommended with a new thumbnail 😂
Welp, better watch it again just to make sure it's the same video you remember
the crown.
Mystra.
If shadow heart has gained a lot of favor with you she may choose not to kill the night song by herself.
If your avatar isn't part of the conversation, you don't influence her at all and she always kills Nightsong. It's just not a situation seen very often, since your character has to be dead when the conversation starts.
Still waiting for the act 3 tips. Great video.
To get it, we need to cast Silence on SlimX.
Hmm, no script at all? That would speed the video process up a bit . .
actually I'm going to cast irresistible dance on SlimX
It is crazy that they prepared a bunch of dialogue for an alternative outcome of an event that is triggered by skipping a cutscene using a spell. I can only suspect that there was some unfinished content here that would allow you to kill Aylin and spare Isobel. It is crazy if they expected the player to somehow bypass the cutscene!
By the way, I thought Shadowheart has a hidden Nightsong score that decides whether she will autonomously kill Aylin?
That Isobel dialogue has been in the game since at least version 1.0, so it's certainly possible that they had some other method in mind during development that didn't make it in.
Shadowheart's Nightsong Points can play a part in how easy it is to spare Aylin (though 40+ Approval is the more important factor). But that's only true if your player avatar is in the conversation to influence her. If your character is dead (or probably other things, like Silenced, polymorphed, etc.) when the dialogue starts, Shadowheart goes down a totally separate conversation branch where she always kills the Nightsong, provided she has the Spear of Night.
@@SlimXG I see! Thanks for the clarification!
Just tested that today and as durge you also get the slayer because it considers Isobel and last light dead (even though they’re very much alive and kicking!), amazing for a evil durge with still the advantages of having dammon in act 3, and evil shadowheart
Hah that is great. I hadn't been doing any Dark Urge testing, so I wasn't able to confirm that. I had read people say that killing Nightsong gives you slayer form, but I figured that was just because it also killed Isobel.
Is there a way to prevent it though, I wonder? Playing a resist durge, so I didn't want the slayer form, but killed nightsong (while using the silence trick, so isobell lived). I guess there probably isn't.. :|
Gale: The crown
Thanks Gale :)
Wow this is actually better. Well, lets play this Baldur's Gate 3 again
I'll try to keep coming up with something new, just after you finish each playthrough
@@SlimXG Well, Lathander, be damned!
This game is crazy!
Gale summed up in two words---
I think the only concern I have in this dialogue when you disclose Aylin's fate. A deception roll really isn't mandatory when she really hasn't any reason not to believe you if Ketheric was able to take control of her immortality. Sure, she wants to find her beloved yet I feel like there's many ways they could've made that scene work.
1. Admit to killing Aylin
1.1: Claim she was controlled and couldn't be rationalized with.(Lie - Pretend not being able to stop her.)
1.2: Claim Aylin requested to be killed to stop Ketheric. (Lie - Make it sound like Aylin's heroic sacrifice.)
1.3: Admit to knowing no other way to make Ketheric vulnerable. (Truth - Only Aylin tells you how to break the curse on her and she doesn't disclose that until Shadowheart throws the spear away.)
1.4 Admit wanting to kill a demi-god. (Truth - You chose to kill a divine creature just to piss off Isobel.)
Amazing video. The best of both worlds !
Not to mention that it's so much quieter in your camp without all that yelling
That is what was looking for good job, subscribed! Why shadowheart didnt chenge her hair? Is this an outcome of using this trick ?
Avatar Shadowheart gets a chance to choose if you want to change her hair on the Selune path, and I haven't actually looked into where/when the same choice exists for the Shar path.
i was so desperate to do this
I'm sad now. Fantastic video.
9:59 - so, they fixed the exploit by making it work again, rather than removing it completely - god I fucking love larian
Question, do you need to take care of Bethazar before the encounter or does it still work when he shows up to fight?
Hmm, you could probably do it even after the Balthazar fight, since you have to click Nightsong to start her conversation, in that case. Should be as simple as moving the Silence caster far enough away to not get pulled into the conversation. But at the moment, I haven't tested it.
The voice acting is amazing, it's a shame we can't see this dialogue without exploits
Isobel seems a little worked up.
I dunno; she seemed pretty happy when you show her on the map where to go find Aylin.
@@SlimXG True. Lesson learned: lies make people happiest.
@@socalminstrel I mean Aylin has been killed by hundreds of Dark Justiciars before, hasn't she? She just comes back to life to be fodder for the next one.
There's nothing to imply this won't happen again.
@@vilelucaCept with that specific spear she ded ded
Except that when Shadowheart uses that spear, Aylin is permanently dead,, Aylin says that herself when Shart pierces her. "A true death, at last" @@vileluca
@SlimXG Clearly Someone is having fun adding Isobel everywhere in game 😂
"You kill someone so dear!"
Yeah for YOU, for me she was just another exp
I could never again, always have to save Shadowheart from Shar and reunite Isobel and Dame Aylin. One evil playthrough and it was so hard to do, it hurt to see everyone fall to their worsts self.
Only saving nightsong from now on and making sure Shadowheart is happy and safe and same with dame.
Hi! Thanks for your video, it was very interesting. But now I wondering - what program you use to see the dialogues? Can you please tell the name? Tnx :)
Those neat HTML parsed versions of the dialogue are produced with a program called BG3 Dialog Reader
@@SlimXG Thank you!
Shadowheart does not always kill Nightsong. It depends on your choices throughout the journey and what she believes in rn
If your avatar is not part of the conversation, she follows a separate, automatic path that leads to killing Nightsong (if you have the spear).
so... is the explanation for why silencing prevents markus' assault that... he didn't hear you guys talking so didn't know he needed to interrupt?
considering that it didn't get patched out and was in fact given support
Hahah I don't know why they actually decided to fix that trick to work properly. It was an odd choice. They _could_ change things more generally to stop Silence from breaking cutscenes, but they seem to like the "Well, if they're Silenced, they can't talk" explanation.
she notices this, yet no one even mentions Jaheria died at moonlight towers. Standing by her coprse saying "with you and jaherai to lead us, we cant lose!" .........
How do you even figure things like this out? Awesome video
Wish i knew this when i did my last run. I could have got the good spear and jaheira
Wait, what? how/why would anyone think that Silence stops a cutscene if no one is casting a spell? is there a game mechanics, coding or narrative logic to this?
but by the way I am real happy to know this now cause I love DJ Shart but also like Jaheira/Minsc and the Iron Gnome stuff in Act 3. so thank you for figuring this out!
Anyone Silenced is prevented from speaking, which breaks all sorts of dialogue and cutscenes.
@@SlimXG Aha thanks I never would have guessed. I guess the game is more “realistic” in that way than I assumed. along those lines, i had read online that Raphael can’t sing his big finale song if silenced, but I tried it and it seems to be a funny but false idea.
@@SlimXG it also lets you kill Raphael without him initiating any dialogue.
appropriate that the deception check is 18...shes a cleric, after all! wisdom is her primary stat!
Though she also really *wants* it to be true, so you'd think that'd give her disadvantage . .
Isobel is writing checks with her mouth that her HP can't cash lmao. What's she gonna do to the party that killed an immortal daughter of selune?!
That’s not really a flex considering she was trapped and couldn’t fight back. Better to say the party killed a chosen of Myrkul.
you meant son of selune
The thing at the end happened a few days ago with my bard shadowheart but I'm still on patch 6.
The Shadowheart conversation breaking? That one has been like that since launch.
That Lakrissa bit had me cackling, very funny lmao. How did you do the character swap for it?
With the magic of Osiris
wow thanks slim shady
I remember a video when the game first came out where the guy kept calling last light 'milf manor' i can't get it out of my head rofl
We are going to get a Patch 8 just to fix this new silence workaround now arn't we? Thanks Slim..
>.>
my game is slightly broken where my Durge didn't answer Isobel when Marcus spoke telepathically, so Isobel assumed the party took Marcus's side and aggro'd. I had Durge attack Isobel while the party attacked the allied Marcus and ghouls while healing the aggro Isobel. Eventually my barbarian Durge rage ended, so I had them flee the fight. I forgot Shovel, who stayed locked in combat with Isobel. I finished Halsin's quest then left Last Light and dismissed Shovel, which aggro'd the rest of Last Light. I've not returned and I'm curious to see how it will play out after Shadowfell. I might just try both versions, saving Nightsong and this silence trick just to see what happens!
That's a hell of a scenario you cooked up, there hahah. I do know that killing Nightsong counts as the requirement for the Dark Urge quest to kill Isobel, even if you use the Silence trick to prevent her from dying.
I am playing an evil playthrough now and it's the first time I made Shadowheart kill the Nightsong. It turned out she gets awesome equipment that basically can be played as an end-game stuff. Infinite darkness, local darkness on attack, teleportation into the shadows and Shadowheart can then see through the magical darkness. The only problem is, that the default Shadowheart has one attack and cannot utilize this setup efficiently. I wonder, how to create a valid build for her? I guess it will have to combine paladin, which makes sense, she is becoming dark justiciar. However, for roleplaying purposes, she needs to have some cleric levels as well, which already stops the possibility to get 3 attacks per action. Still, she can have 2 attacks with 5 lvl paladin. For some extra attack, she needs to become cleric of war. So now the question is, with 5 paladin levels, should she be 7 lvl cleric, or 2 lvl cleric and 10 paladin? Hmm... Or add different class? But that wouldn't make sense rollplaying wise. It would be great if she was great in melee but offered some good offense spell as well. I guess it's time to test it.
7 cleric 5 Paladin.
Extra attack for smites
Bigger spell slots for smites
Better spell list.
@Kek393 Yes, but with Pal 7/Warlock 5 as Oathbreker you get 3 attacks per action, 2 spell slots for smites recoverable per short turn and aura of hate which with CHAR 24 gives you +7 to damage. This is more a melee build. It doesn't have that much smites, but you hit on average 50-60 dmg per attack without smite and with haste, elixir of bloodlust and 2H weapon specialization, you get 10 attacks per round plus smites to up your damage when needed plus crits, so you can do 500 dmg per round (counting crits and potential misses). With ring of a mystic scoundrel, you can sacrifice bonus attack and cast some spells. This is by far one of the most powerful builds in BG3. You just kills many opponents per one hit, even if they have 70-90 hp. The con is, you can't get to them all in one round, because you are out of the opponents in your movement range, so sometimes you have to relay on eldritch blasts or bow, which does less damage. However, with bonus action, cast black whole and you have your opponents within reach. Considering various cons and pros, this is in overall the best melee with some spells build that have access to smites but don't even need to rely on them that much, because it hits like a truck. Ah, to explain more, I played githyanki with the sword of astral plane, so I get psychic damage and use this stone that adds vulnerability to psychic damage everyone around, plus psychic damage from the concentration (from ring), plus necrotic damage from gloves. It all adds up. And also +7 to saving throws from aura.
@@michadybczak4862 "It doesn't have that much smites".
You just answered your own question why the build isn't that great. Better to go paladin 5/war cleric 7 to get 2 base attacks (3 with divine favor) while still having access to Spirit Guardians. Use Divine Intervention to get the Devotee's Mace, and then comboing its passive heal aura with Hellrider's Pride gloves and Whispering Promise ring to passively get free Bless + Blade Ward. Combine this with the radiant orb applying armor and ring and it sounds like it can be a super powerhouse build that spams Radiant damage like crazy.
Aura of Hate is cool and all but you need to focus your entire build on damage, when Paladin/Cleric will simply never be a nuke like a Sorcadin. There's also the fact that 24 Charisma will not transfer to a bonus to hit because you'll need Str or Dex for that.
Hell, even without the whole Devotee's Mace thing, going more heavily into Cleric you can use all 3x 4th level slots for smites, while also having a 5th level Spirit Guardians active, so you're just doing massively more damage across the board. Then the next round rather then being out of resources, you've still got 3x 3rd level slots, so you still hit harder on the second round then the Lockadin does on their best.