What Happens If You Spear Nightsong But Spare Isobel (And How To Do It)

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  • @SlimXG
    @SlimXG  Місяць тому +415

    What's Shar's favorite flavor of gum?
    Spearmint.
    (Recorded on Patch 7, version 4.1.1.5849914)

    • @fishtank13
      @fishtank13 Місяць тому +6

      i was scared for a second they patched that out, thanks for clarifying

    • @justinburchette
      @justinburchette Місяць тому +4

      Pfft 🤣

    • @Plaid_pants_panter
      @Plaid_pants_panter Місяць тому +1

      Do you still get the Shar loot if you do this ?

    • @SlimXG
      @SlimXG  Місяць тому +2

      @@Plaid_pants_panter Yep, you get the full set of Shar gear, including the Spear of Evening

    • @__Infinity_Hearts__
      @__Infinity_Hearts__ 19 днів тому

      can you do this to survive "wish" it seems like it would work as well as they is a certain sound that play to trigger the whole dead party game over.

  • @lolthisisatroll
    @lolthisisatroll Місяць тому +1546

    Gaslighting Isobel to go back looking for her in the shadowcurse is DIABOLICAL 💀😭

    • @SlimXG
      @SlimXG  Місяць тому +63

      😈

    • @marcnolan2409
      @marcnolan2409 Місяць тому +3

      She'd probably go and do it to bless her 😂

    • @rakshithanand8262
      @rakshithanand8262 Місяць тому +10

      Yas Queen Slay!!! ❤

    • @kaleidoscope3234
      @kaleidoscope3234 Місяць тому +2

      she is gonna be fine

    • @purplepenguin43
      @purplepenguin43 Місяць тому +61

      Dam we need an ending where you get all the way to the epilogue and then isobelle storms the dinner party as a lvl 18 chosen of slune or (or maybe a second avatar of merkle:) and tries to murder everyone for lying to her.

  • @Kipperton
    @Kipperton Місяць тому +929

    "THE CROWN"
    ...thanks gale.

    • @mylariane3675
      @mylariane3675 Місяць тому +35

      This killed me harder than the Nightsong was 🤣

    • @00Mike55
      @00Mike55 Місяць тому +33

      Gale keeping his priorities in check as usual lol

    • @Li_Tobler
      @Li_Tobler Місяць тому +16

      MYSTRA.

    • @Lars_Ziah_Zawkian
      @Lars_Ziah_Zawkian Місяць тому +2

      AAAAAAA lol

  • @marcinkrz3140
    @marcinkrz3140 Місяць тому +604

    If you killed Nightsong but you were in a silence bubble so no one could hear you do it, did you truly killed Nightsong ?

    • @walabixha1746
      @walabixha1746 Місяць тому +128

      Selune didn't hear her daughter die so that's why she never got depressed and stop giving power to Isobel . True sharran trickery

    • @rubyl4480
      @rubyl4480 Місяць тому +50

      @@marcinkrz3140 Schrödinger's Nightsong

    • @rogueeshadoww6076
      @rogueeshadoww6076 11 днів тому

      Shes alive until her death is heard!

  • @dismasxenakis
    @dismasxenakis Місяць тому +393

    Isobel joking to SH that she will change colour of hair seems to be mocking of SH's new hair but oh boy something has gone terribly wrong...

  • @kairaaitken938
    @kairaaitken938 Місяць тому +852

    Isobel is so damn patient given that Shadowheart just killed the love of her life lol

    • @theredeft5319
      @theredeft5319 Місяць тому +120

      Yeah if it had been reversed you know Dame Aylin would fight you right there and do the back breaker move on your PC that she did to Lorraquin.

    • @kairaaitken938
      @kairaaitken938 Місяць тому +23

      @@theredeft5319 given the broken builds and F8 she would lose but I know she would try

    • @voon1032
      @voon1032 Місяць тому +5

      @@theredeft5319 Lorroakan...

    • @lefteron6804
      @lefteron6804 Місяць тому +40

      The love of her life AND the daughter of her her goddess.

    • @brendanl7675
      @brendanl7675 Місяць тому +8

      @@theredeft5319 Not true. Had Astarion assassinate Isobel in Moonrise after defeating Kethric - and Aylin _cowered_!

  • @alessandrogarofalo9951
    @alessandrogarofalo9951 Місяць тому +381

    The fact there are so many unique dialogues with isobel about killing the nightsong, makes me think that at one point in the development it was possible to kill her, while sparing everyone else in last light inn. Incredible how big this game is and how many things are still being discovered after 1+ year

    • @MarkEmerAndersonII
      @MarkEmerAndersonII Місяць тому +57

      Yeah - this seems like "cut" content - in that it should be impossible to trigger but was left in. But if it's still in there, the internet will find a way.

    • @Tryingcounts
      @Tryingcounts Місяць тому +8

      In a way this is also such an inefficient way to do things... Think how many hours and how much money went into this for no reason (no real reason). Stuff like this makes me realise why six years were required...
      I love this game though

    • @TastyFlanPudding
      @TastyFlanPudding Місяць тому +1

      Im thinking it's probably because it's possible for the nightsong to die in both battles. So technically if u miss fire a crit arrow at her for eg, u can kill her and still win the katheric battle while the cut scene of last light inn dying would never play.

    • @baransimsek5943
      @baransimsek5943 27 днів тому +3

      @@TastyFlanPudding its not possible for Dame Aylin to die while in battle. Doesnt matter how many times u push her or kill her, she just goes back on her feet. If u dont have Shadowheart with you, you are not even able to kill Dame Aylin in Shadowfell - you hurt her and make kethric vulnerable but she survives.

    • @TastyFlanPudding
      @TastyFlanPudding 27 днів тому

      @@baransimsek5943 gg then, no excuses 🤣

  • @azureberryjam5563
    @azureberryjam5563 Місяць тому +163

    She says get out of her sight, but she's standing in your camp. The audacity.

    • @fosaimaginator3920
      @fosaimaginator3920 24 дні тому +4

      After Aylin's multiple "Begone!" at me in my own camp, i suppose i can take Isobel's "Get out of my sight" 💀
      But no promises i wont try to smite her later 🗡️

  • @chengong388
    @chengong388 Місяць тому +295

    LMAO the darkness can't overtake last light inn because you're silenced

    • @jayk9068
      @jayk9068 Місяць тому +147

      Maybe the idea is that Shar didn't hear the narrator?

    • @SlimXG
      @SlimXG  Місяць тому +51

      @@jayk9068 Hahah excellent explanation

    • @rubyl4480
      @rubyl4480 Місяць тому +36

      Silence so loud Selune couldn't hear her daughter being murdered. Her strength remained guarding the living instead of mourning the dead~~

    • @burningknight7
      @burningknight7 Місяць тому +1

      @@rubyl4480 Pretty good explanation haha

  • @ceruleanserpent387
    @ceruleanserpent387 Місяць тому +380

    Isobel's voice actor nailed these voice lines, she's really pissed sounding

    • @SlimXG
      @SlimXG  Місяць тому +45

      Yeah, Mia Foo is great.

    • @cameronmckillop6448
      @cameronmckillop6448 Місяць тому +21

      The VAs in this game nailed it. Even obscure lines got full treatment. BG3 is a beautiful game.😊

  • @feminitude
    @feminitude Місяць тому +138

    if Last Light Inn falls in the shadow-cursed lands and nobody hears it?
    didn't happen

  • @angmarliche9187
    @angmarliche9187 Місяць тому +152

    So...wait... So... Im just spitballing here, Isobel has lines for this situation, that means this was a legitimate outcome. But there's an echo in her voice, I think it was meant to be played at the Mausoleum or Shadowfell.
    Great work, SlimXG

    • @SlimXG
      @SlimXG  Місяць тому +53

      Nah, the dialogue is specifically meant to play in the camp. It's from the same file as when Aylin is there with her. Any effects on the audio are generated in realtime based on the location you are currently in.

  • @BingBangPoe
    @BingBangPoe Місяць тому +47

    I'm surprised Isobel doesn't go hostile if you admit you killed Aylin.
    As usual, amazing videos and finds!

    • @KorPharon
      @KorPharon 25 днів тому +1

      I've banished Aylin using the banish planar spell and killed Isobel in front of her. When she got back she was pissed but forgave me when I gave her isobel's gear I looted 🤣

    • @Skozerny
      @Skozerny 13 днів тому +1

      @@KorPharon You can also do that by luring isobel away from Aylin in the moonrise tower celebration scene, assassinating Isobel, and then returning to Aylin.
      (It's a neat trick to advance Durge run without condemning Last Light to death OR pissing off Aylin.

  • @dakotahondalock5621
    @dakotahondalock5621 Місяць тому +296

    Please make Gale saying “The Crown” a running joke in your videos

    • @SlimXG
      @SlimXG  Місяць тому +59

      And I picked that one from the list of others that I still haven't shown yet hahah.

    • @dakotahondalock5621
      @dakotahondalock5621 Місяць тому +4

      I’m excited to see what you have in store

    • @cannyvalley8522
      @cannyvalley8522 Місяць тому +35

      The weave

    • @braules
      @braules Місяць тому +35

      Mystra 🗿

    • @ThalesWell
      @ThalesWell Місяць тому +4

      What’s Gale’s favorite show on Netflix?

  • @cannyvalley8522
    @cannyvalley8522 Місяць тому +82

    This is bonkers to think they recorded a unique dialogue just because of one spell, probably was a legitimate scenario but at some point they decided to override it with destroying last light.

    • @SlimXG
      @SlimXG  Місяць тому +36

      Yeah, I assume there was some other method intended at some point. They _have_ put in lines and adjustments just to account for tricks like this, but *that* much dialogue just for this seems unlikely. But who knows, with Larian . .

    • @Polomance862
      @Polomance862 18 днів тому +2

      @@SlimXG I'd imagine they had a circumstance put in place that the player could kill the Nightsong WITHOUT Shadowheart. You get the spear, you kill the Nightsong but the end result isn't nearly as cataclysmic as it is for Shadowheart sacrificing the Nightsong in Shar's name. In almost every character story, you can go through their specificed story segments without them. But only in Shadowheart's story can you not kill the Nightsong without her.
      Without shadowheart, the death of the Nightsong occurs and Last Light remains unharmed. Take note of the dialogue option of "Too late, I killed the Nightsong."

    • @SlimXG
      @SlimXG  18 днів тому +2

      @@Polomance862 It's certainly possible. The flags checked during this Isobel dialogue seem to suggest as much, since that, "Killed her myself." line actually requires that someone other than Shadowheart kill Nightsong. (There's an alternate version for when Shadowheart killed her, I just adjusted the flags to show this one because I thought it was funnier . .)

    • @EujenSandu
      @EujenSandu 17 днів тому

      @@SlimXG that's actually interesting. The lore and story says that only shadowheart is able to actually KILL Nightsong. If TAV (non-SH) or anyone else does that, she should just come back to life, again!

  • @tsogbat6025
    @tsogbat6025 Місяць тому +124

    The crown

  • @elisabeth9523
    @elisabeth9523 27 днів тому +8

    Thank you for posting this! Just did this and seemed to work perfectly. I play as Durge and got the Slayer form because it does say Isobel is dead eventho everyone is perfectly fine in Last Light!
    I just wanted DJ Shadowheart but you will otherwise not only lose Dammon as vendor but also the ironhand gnomes. This usually makes me have Shadowheart spare Nightsong. Very glad this worked.

    • @SlimXG
      @SlimXG  27 днів тому +2

      Excellent. It works out even better than I would have thought. Everything's coming up Durgehouse!

  • @bluevern904
    @bluevern904 Місяць тому +47

    Shadow Curse: Now we shall take this inn!
    Tav:
    Shadow Curse: Understandable, have a nice day

  • @Louves192
    @Louves192 Місяць тому +37

    This is actually really amazing! Losing Last Light Inn and all the NPCs for act 3 is the main reason why I only ever have Sharran Shadowheart around in my evil murder hobo Durge playthroughs. Which is kinda of a shame because she has a lot of distinct voice lines from normal Shadowheart.

    • @SlimXG
      @SlimXG  Місяць тому +7

      This does pretty much create a best of both worlds for anyone that wants Shardowheart in the party, without the usual drawbacks.

  • @kiayaoi
    @kiayaoi Місяць тому +97

    that lakrissa spearing felt so real

    • @SlimXG
      @SlimXG  Місяць тому +18

      Well, now, she actually won the bet

    • @FFVogter.-em6zz
      @FFVogter.-em6zz Місяць тому +3

      Where's the money Lakrissa!!!

  • @TenkanRL
    @TenkanRL Місяць тому +4

    I was shocked to see that this video wasn’t from a massive channel. Fantastic video

    • @SlimXG
      @SlimXG  Місяць тому +1

      Thank you. You are quite welcome to help make it massiver.

  • @kinggamereon653
    @kinggamereon653 Місяць тому +7

    Damn, I am so impressed about this dialogue existing. Such a specific thing and yet the game has a good amount of dialogue for it it seems.

  • @theredeft5319
    @theredeft5319 Місяць тому +37

    This implies at one point that the last light inn would not have fallen due to this choice, so I wonder why they changed it. It does make sense that perhaps Selune faltered in a moment of grief and let the protection lapse. I guess you would have still been able to team up with the Harpers to assist moonrise? Maybe they thought it was a fitting result of going down the evil route.
    Also it’s crazy as a cleric/paladin of Selune you still keep your powers. I’m sure it’s only because of the threat of the absolute, but I wonder if Tav is gonna get dropped after the netherbrain is dead.

    • @SlimXG
      @SlimXG  Місяць тому +18

      Hey, hey, it was Shadowheart that killed Selune's daughter. I totally tried to talk her out of it.

  • @bunnyboygamille
    @bunnyboygamille Місяць тому +14

    Gale: no thoughts, only crown

  • @MaleBrawler
    @MaleBrawler Місяць тому +39

    Gale a true wizard of knowledge 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

    • @gureiratto
      @gureiratto Місяць тому +2

      A true wizard of the crown

  • @ryudragon7
    @ryudragon7 Місяць тому +48

    I am attempting to find workarounds so I can keep the teifling traders from the Grove. That way, when I do my evil playthrough. I can get the most gear from every vender. This helps, a lot.

    • @blaym4271
      @blaym4271 Місяць тому

      Hey man soon as you find out post it here. I'm tired of killing my boy Damon

    • @JakeSPuwuowo69
      @JakeSPuwuowo69 Місяць тому +10

      This also lets you KO the Nightsong but still progress Karlach's quest, which is nice honestly.

    • @formatomi
      @formatomi Місяць тому +4

      Can you do something similar when raiding the Grove? I know you can “kidnap” Dammon from Last Light before everyone turns into zombies and he’ll be in Baldurs Gate

    • @tiph3802
      @tiph3802 Місяць тому +1

      ​@@formatomiwait, what?!

    • @Mayhap34
      @Mayhap34 Місяць тому +1

      Same here, one thing I tried was solving the Shadow Druid quest for the good outcome and then leaving the area to the Creche area and then going back. When you go back to the grove all the tieflings are gone with just the druids there. I then finished the grove off with the goblins thinking I'm home free. Sadly, no tieflings at Last Light regardless which is lame.

  • @AshBlossomWorshiper
    @AshBlossomWorshiper Місяць тому +29

    The Crown

    • @SlimXG
      @SlimXG  Місяць тому +10

      The Karsite Weave.

  • @amycharri
    @amycharri Місяць тому +6

    "The Crown" 😂 Ah I love Gale and his obsession with that piece of jewellery in act 3.

  • @hanvangoro2724
    @hanvangoro2724 Місяць тому +9

    love permutation like this.. why this game is so goooood!!! thanks for the guide

  • @Dorumin
    @Dorumin Місяць тому +35

    The Lakrissa poke should be in game too :)

  • @angmarliche9187
    @angmarliche9187 Місяць тому +15

    I wish the Player could tell Isobel that Ketheric's source of invulnerability is an immortal aasimaar and Isobel would join the player in the Shadowfell.

    • @theredeft5319
      @theredeft5319 Місяць тому +13

      There are lots of weird things like that. For instance playing as dark urge, you find out you are bhalspawn and you can tell every companion about it except Jaheria unless you have triggered the camp scene where she watches you as you have nightmares. Or when finding a literal document that describes Jergel as Withers you also cannot confront him. I’m sure he would refuse to talk about it but it sure is frustrating that the PC won’t acknowledge it.

    • @tiph3802
      @tiph3802 Місяць тому +3

      ​@@theredeft5319I mean, Jaheira was onto Durge almost immediately and spoke up as soon as the far more immediate concern was dealt with.

    • @SlimXG
      @SlimXG  Місяць тому +3

      I don't know if Last Light Inn would hold up too well if Isobel went on a vacation to see her gal pal.

    • @Morrodin182
      @Morrodin182 Місяць тому +1

      @@SlimXG True, then again babysitting a few random stranger or reconnecting with the love of your life... ;)

    • @angmarliche9187
      @angmarliche9187 Місяць тому

      @@SlimXG We'll empty the lower floors of Moonrise and send them all there with Jaheira as guard xD

  • @chunkycoone5040
    @chunkycoone5040 Місяць тому +6

    This was great to know about this, great to see isobel turning red

  • @GabbyJFS_02
    @GabbyJFS_02 11 днів тому

    Man, Isobel’s VA did some of her best work for a scenario that very, very few people will ever recreate normally in their playthroughs. Kind of a shame, really. But thank you for sharing this! Really really cool, it seems like there’s always more to discover with this game

  • @kalicula7718
    @kalicula7718 Місяць тому +59

    Isobel:"How could you kill somone so precious and good?!"
    Me: "She was very annoying."

    • @Morrodin182
      @Morrodin182 Місяць тому +32

      "Because you never told me how dear she was to you and because you hid your lineage. If you look at it carefully Isobel, it is your fault that Aylin got murdered. How can you live with yourself?"

    • @mylesdrake2949
      @mylesdrake2949 Місяць тому

      Tbh, if she wasn't an immortal ally and willing to do a "bane" against an annoying ass wizard down the line I would kill her every time.

    • @kalicula7718
      @kalicula7718 Місяць тому

      @@Morrodin182 Nah, I'd still skewer her because I can't stand her personality.

    • @marcusaaronliaogo9158
      @marcusaaronliaogo9158 Місяць тому

      How to durge

    • @Fishsticks360
      @Fishsticks360 Місяць тому +10

      I can't think of anyone in BG3 with more confidence and less actual combat ability than Aylin. Maybe Naaber, but at least he comes to terms with things.

  • @eureka0521
    @eureka0521 28 днів тому +3

    I had an especially dark playthrough where SH ended up dying, and I tried killing the Nightsong without her but it was impossible. I tried different abilities and methods but failed. As Dark Urge, there was some crazy evil dialogue options too, basically fully admitting you're torturing her for fun. Ultimately I talked to her and offered a bargain, I'd free her if she didn't turn on me immediately and she was like "you're an evil fuck but it's nothing compared to how many times Kethric killed me" then I released her and we become best friends because she was completely psychotic. This game is insane lmao

    • @SlimXG
      @SlimXG  28 днів тому

      And if you haven't seen the dialogue with Aylin if you hand her over to Lorroakan and then tell Isobel to go try to save her (and get herself killed), I highly recommend it.

    • @eureka0521
      @eureka0521 27 днів тому

      @@SlimXG omg Durge is a menace

  • @fosaimaginator3920
    @fosaimaginator3920 Місяць тому +3

    I always wanted to do this for my evil run, but i couldn't because i didn't want to lose Jaheira, Dammon, the Ironhand, but thanks for this video now i know how! Now i can make Shadowheart a Dark Justiciar without losing potential allies for final battle

    • @SlimXG
      @SlimXG  Місяць тому +4

      Everybody wins!
      (except Nightsong)

  • @Thunder88
    @Thunder88 Місяць тому +17

    The Crownsite Weave.

    • @SlimXG
      @SlimXG  Місяць тому +16

      The Kars of Crownus.

  • @tinyrogue1320
    @tinyrogue1320 19 днів тому

    This is incredible! Larian really put SO MUCH EFFORT into making this game and it really shows! Also, I find it disturbing that you can actually abuse Silence like this and get away with it lol Thank you for this very entertaining and informative video!

    • @SlimXG
      @SlimXG  19 днів тому

      Thank you very much for watching it!

  • @aerkel4860
    @aerkel4860 Місяць тому +4

    "Get out of my sight before I do something you'll regret".
    Hm, lady, i don't really want to be mean, but before threatening someone, please make sure they can't probably end your life in a single turn...

    • @SlimXG
      @SlimXG  Місяць тому +4

      Especially with Shadowheart standing right there, holding the same spear . .

  • @justinburchette
    @justinburchette Місяць тому +3

    I love your videos, mate! They're always so informative and entertaining. I love discovering new things about this game that I'll (probably) never actually get to experience for myself.
    I'm on PS5, so my options are pretty limited as far as fixing bugs and shit is concerned - but Isobel hasn't been in my camp (or anywhere else, afaik) since the beginning of Act Three. And by that, I mean the last time I saw & spoke to her was at Moonrise Towers at the end of Act Two - and even then she acted super strange; like her and Dame Aylin never spoke to or about each other, they never had a reunion scene... none of that. It really sucks, and not just for story purposes, either - because I really wanted to knock her ass out and steal her unique equipment 😭
    (Also, every time I see Isobel I have a little bit of whiplash... because she looks almost _exactly_ like one of my ex-girlfriend's lol 😒)

    • @SlimXG
      @SlimXG  Місяць тому +1

      Thank you! Wish I could help with your Isobel issue, but I don't know what happened to you, there.

    • @justinburchette
      @justinburchette Місяць тому

      @@SlimXG Minthara happened lol.
      Well, ok, I don't know that _for sure..._ but I suspect getting her & Halsin both on my good playthrough had something to do with it. I only say that because it's also caused other issues to pop up here and there that never happened before I recruited her... so I can only assume. Oh well 😮‍💨 thanks anyways, though!
      _Hot drow > normal gameplay experience._

  • @DeviSerene
    @DeviSerene Місяць тому

    I hope there are more interesting interactions like this because not only are they fun, your videos are amazing!

  • @lettuce2740
    @lettuce2740 Місяць тому

    Loving your videos on baldur’s gate 3 man. You do such cool deep dives into the weird intricacies of this amazing game. Really hoping the act 3 honor mode guide is happening as that’s one of my favorite series of yours! Silence is the GOAT!

  • @JakeSPuwuowo69
    @JakeSPuwuowo69 Місяць тому +14

    "Or Paladin of Shar."
    Since Larian did say that Patch 7 won't be the final-final patch, maybe, just maybe, that'll be something we'll get to have.
    And then I'll have to have yet another playthrough.
    Anyhow obligatory comment of wanting secret dialogue for raiding the grove hidden away somewhere to be added by Larian.
    And, obligatory comment about Minthara, but this time it's a comment and not a request. I've found recent dialogue in game of her being addressed by Z'rell when returning to Moonrise from the Gauntlet, and also by Balthazar when in your party walking to the gauntlet. Maybe it's bad memory or user error, but I don't remember that triggering before.

    • @SlimXG
      @SlimXG  Місяць тому +1

      Yeah, of course, the only way to actually be a "Paladin of Shar" at the moment is to also be a Cleric of Shar, but hey, it's in there. If you can get me a word-for-word quote of at least one distinct line from those scenes you mentioned, I can look it up and check it out.

    • @JakeSPuwuowo69
      @JakeSPuwuowo69 Місяць тому +4

      ​@@SlimXG Don't happen to have the one Z'rel had when returning to Moonrise, but I do have it when approaching the Gauntlet. I appreciate you, and thankfully I screenshotted to show friends. (Also, Reconstituted Marksman is Balth)
      Reconstituted Marksman: Your pet drow, Minthara, should recognize me. I'm her superior after all. As for these creatures.

    • @SlimXG
      @SlimXG  Місяць тому +2

      @@JakeSPuwuowo69 I can find that line in the same form, with the same checks, going back to the 1.0 dialogue files.

    • @christinabutterfield1801
      @christinabutterfield1801 Місяць тому +2

      ​@SlimXG pretty sure if you swap shadowheart to paladin you can be a paladin of Shar without being a cleric

    • @SlimXG
      @SlimXG  Місяць тому +3

      @@christinabutterfield1801 Ohh right, since she's always locked into Shar. I was thinking of the other gods for a normal character, since it was possible to set a deity for paladins in Early Access.

  • @archiveacc3248
    @archiveacc3248 Місяць тому +2

    Great vid as always, best bg3 game content out there. Also you kinda sound like the how its made guy

    • @SlimXG
      @SlimXG  Місяць тому

      People keep telling me that I sound like that guy . . 🤔

  • @Dorumin
    @Dorumin Місяць тому +3

    Just did this in my playthrough - confirming it works great. There's also a funny clip of Aylin's forehead in the initial animation of switching to act 3, maybe because Aylin isn't there haha. I also told Isobel specifically not to come to my camp, and she showed up anyways, which is the same thing that happens with Aylin (Jaheira does the same). So that definitely stays consistent, with characters butting into your camp, not taking no for an answer and never leaving.
    In camp, Isobel's dialogue ended up leading to "It's a long story, but I'll tell it. You deserve to know" and the only response option was "Leave." Hahahah this is definitely not polished at all, I love it. I did take the dialogue options in reverse order at least.
    I wasn't able to tell her to go find Nightsong on the shadow lands, so I suppose she'll butt in my camp for the rest of the game. Like Jaheira, had I not poked her when she first tried to ensnare me

    • @SlimXG
      @SlimXG  Місяць тому

      Yeah, that one line you mentioned blocks out all the other dialogue options. I didn't mention it in the video, since I figured I'm just showing all of the lines, anyway. And even if you tell her that Aylin is still alive and pass the Performance check, she still doesn't leave your camp! She just stands around saying how she can't wait to give her main squeeze a squeeze.

  • @vixevinweria8400
    @vixevinweria8400 Місяць тому +3

    You can also protect people in Last light from the shadow curse by knocking them unconscious and leaving a light source near them.

  • @travisretriever7473
    @travisretriever7473 Місяць тому +3

    Gale: "The Crown."
    ...
    Gale, ladies and gents. Gale.

  • @Spaxder2
    @Spaxder2 Місяць тому +9

    Last light inn is the only thing stopping me from spearing Nightsong in every playthrough.

    • @SlimXG
      @SlimXG  Місяць тому +7

      Sounds like Aylin's got a rough future ahead of her, now . .

    • @vileluca
      @vileluca Місяць тому +3

      Same.
      That psycho is never walking out of the Shadowfell in my playthroughs ever again

    • @yoursonisold8743
      @yoursonisold8743 Місяць тому +1

      @@vileluca Psycho? What psycho? What the hell are you talking about?

  • @sqrrl
    @sqrrl Місяць тому +1

    These vids have done wonders for my enjoyment of the game and have Scratch'd and itch for How's It's Made that I didn't know I could get a fix for anywhere else. Needless to say, I'm loving the channel.

    • @SlimXG
      @SlimXG  Місяць тому

      Well thank you very much. I'm loving you loving the channel.

  • @ВладиславБулаев-л3э
    @ВладиславБулаев-л3э Місяць тому +9

    Great thumbnail, man. Lol

  • @Pantaleimonification
    @Pantaleimonification Місяць тому +2

    Tried this out today. It worked, and Durge gets their iniquitous prize?? Didn't expect that.

    • @SlimXG
      @SlimXG  Місяць тому +2

      Everybody wins! Well, except Aylin.

  • @Apfeljunge666
    @Apfeljunge666 Місяць тому +7

    it seems to me that this dialogue was meant to be played in act 2 but they changed some Isobel stuff, it's no longer accessible without weird interactions like this.

    • @SlimXG
      @SlimXG  Місяць тому +2

      It certainly seems like there was meant to be some more normal method for ending up in this scenario. All that dialogue is in the same file as the usual Aylin+Isobel version in your camp.

  • @subaru4920
    @subaru4920 18 днів тому

    One of the most rewarding things in this game is saving them both. They are genuinely so sweet, it's awesome to see them so happy!

  • @travishartzler9155
    @travishartzler9155 Місяць тому +1

    Now I have something worth checking out while waiting for patch 7 on Xbox. Thanks!

  • @spctvl03
    @spctvl03 Місяць тому +7

    I love my moon lesi's so much. The voice acting is impeccable and their VA's live stream playthrough was sooooo sweet. Thanks for showing the lines I'd never have the courage to experiment with lol

    • @SlimXG
      @SlimXG  Місяць тому +4

      Hahah that was exactly why I showed all of it in the video. I figured many people might be interested in seeing rare dialogue but could never bring themselves to actually do what's required to trigger it. Especially telling Isobel, "Aylin's fine, you should go find her!" 😈

  • @panaceleo
    @panaceleo Місяць тому +4

    the crown.

    • @SlimXG
      @SlimXG  Місяць тому +4

      Mystra.

  • @TiredDad2019
    @TiredDad2019 Місяць тому +2

    If shadow heart has gained a lot of favor with you she may choose not to kill the night song by herself.

    • @SlimXG
      @SlimXG  Місяць тому +6

      If your avatar isn't part of the conversation, you don't influence her at all and she always kills Nightsong. It's just not a situation seen very often, since your character has to be dead when the conversation starts.

  • @IceChillxen
    @IceChillxen 18 днів тому

    Oh this is perfect. Nightsong is the only characters in this game that i actively hated, but could never get rid of due to how tied she is to the survival of Last Light.

  • @jimdelsol1941
    @jimdelsol1941 Місяць тому +1

    Impressive findings and thank you for the video !

    • @SlimXG
      @SlimXG  Місяць тому

      Thank you for the watching!

  • @fancypants6062
    @fancypants6062 Місяць тому

    High quality video. Thanks for making this.

  • @hayleyblevins
    @hayleyblevins 14 днів тому

    i’m so convinced this game was made with next level ai and that’s how we get these rare dialogues. the clip of karlach breaking the 4th wall is just creepy

  • @gagapandega1668
    @gagapandega1668 Місяць тому +1

    This is so cool! Thank you for sharing this method

  • @socalminstrel
    @socalminstrel Місяць тому +9

    Isobel seems a little worked up.

    • @SlimXG
      @SlimXG  Місяць тому +10

      I dunno; she seemed pretty happy when you show her on the map where to go find Aylin.

    • @socalminstrel
      @socalminstrel Місяць тому +1

      @@SlimXG True. Lesson learned: lies make people happiest.

    • @vileluca
      @vileluca Місяць тому

      ​@@socalminstrel I mean Aylin has been killed by hundreds of Dark Justiciars before, hasn't she? She just comes back to life to be fodder for the next one.
      There's nothing to imply this won't happen again.

    • @ChalkyMonkey6
      @ChalkyMonkey6 Місяць тому +1

      @@vilelucaCept with that specific spear she ded ded

    • @fosaimaginator3920
      @fosaimaginator3920 Місяць тому +1

      Except that when Shadowheart uses that spear, Aylin is permanently dead,, Aylin says that herself when Shart pierces her. "A true death, at last" ​@@vileluca

  • @johnanthonyramos9220
    @johnanthonyramos9220 Місяць тому +3

    Still waiting for the act 3 tips. Great video.

    • @Polevolter
      @Polevolter Місяць тому +3

      To get it, we need to cast Silence on SlimX.

    • @SlimXG
      @SlimXG  Місяць тому +3

      Hmm, no script at all? That would speed the video process up a bit . .

    • @MagicGonads
      @MagicGonads Місяць тому

      actually I'm going to cast irresistible dance on SlimX

  • @AriaVelocent
    @AriaVelocent 14 днів тому

    "You kill someone so dear!"
    Yeah for YOU, for me she was just another exp

  • @kd0079
    @kd0079 Місяць тому +1

    It is crazy that they prepared a bunch of dialogue for an alternative outcome of an event that is triggered by skipping a cutscene using a spell. I can only suspect that there was some unfinished content here that would allow you to kill Aylin and spare Isobel. It is crazy if they expected the player to somehow bypass the cutscene!
    By the way, I thought Shadowheart has a hidden Nightsong score that decides whether she will autonomously kill Aylin?

    • @SlimXG
      @SlimXG  Місяць тому +2

      That Isobel dialogue has been in the game since at least version 1.0, so it's certainly possible that they had some other method in mind during development that didn't make it in.
      Shadowheart's Nightsong Points can play a part in how easy it is to spare Aylin (though 40+ Approval is the more important factor). But that's only true if your player avatar is in the conversation to influence her. If your character is dead (or probably other things, like Silenced, polymorphed, etc.) when the dialogue starts, Shadowheart goes down a totally separate conversation branch where she always kills the Nightsong, provided she has the Spear of Night.

    • @kd0079
      @kd0079 Місяць тому

      @@SlimXG I see! Thanks for the clarification!

  • @leodemooij97
    @leodemooij97 Місяць тому +1

    i actually got some of these after reading EVERY book or scroll or letter i could get my hands on, especially everything to do with their family (some i got from Ketheric and his wife's bedroom, and isobel's old room) and doing EVERYTHING in act 2 except going to the nightsong (including murdering everyone in moonrise, murdering their family members while getting as much information out of them as i could, and the gauntlet of Shar) then talking to isobel in last light inn, get these dialoge options, and only after that i saved the nightsong

  • @joshuagomez7613
    @joshuagomez7613 Місяць тому +3

    Amazing video. The best of both worlds !

    • @SlimXG
      @SlimXG  Місяць тому +1

      Not to mention that it's so much quieter in your camp without all that yelling

  • @Jess-wq3nr
    @Jess-wq3nr Місяць тому

    Bruh the whiplash of watching the video and then seeing it again in my recommended with a new thumbnail 😂

    • @SlimXG
      @SlimXG  Місяць тому +2

      Welp, better watch it again just to make sure it's the same video you remember

  • @Hasselroeder
    @Hasselroeder Місяць тому

    I also like 'Silence'. Used it on Priestess Gutt, so she couldn't call reinforcements. One time Aradin was still standing inside and couldn't talk to his archer mate so he was just standing inside. The power of the spell is incredible!

  • @MartinVlček-g9l
    @MartinVlček-g9l Місяць тому +2

    Just tried this method with Durge Oath of the Ancients. Got Oathbreaker for this (which I wanted) and Slayer as well (which I didn't lol) Isobel and all the inn lives.

    • @SlimXG
      @SlimXG  Місяць тому

      Ah, very interesting. I've still done very little research on Dark Urge mechanics, so this is good to know.

    • @EphemeralPseudonym
      @EphemeralPseudonym 27 днів тому

      You get Slayer after triggering any event in which the inhabitants of Last Light Inn die, I think

  • @jrrthompson1996
    @jrrthompson1996 Місяць тому +16

    Isobel is writing checks with her mouth that her HP can't cash lmao. What's she gonna do to the party that killed an immortal daughter of selune?!

    • @JustGamingSweden
      @JustGamingSweden Місяць тому +9

      That’s not really a flex considering she was trapped and couldn’t fight back. Better to say the party killed a chosen of Myrkul.

    • @Андрей-й3ю5х
      @Андрей-й3ю5х Місяць тому +1

      you meant son of selune

  • @jeanmouloude
    @jeanmouloude Місяць тому +3

    Gale: The crown
    Thanks Gale :)

  • @moi9709
    @moi9709 Місяць тому +1

    Wow this is actually better. Well, lets play this Baldur's Gate 3 again

    • @SlimXG
      @SlimXG  Місяць тому +2

      I'll try to keep coming up with something new, just after you finish each playthrough

    • @moi9709
      @moi9709 Місяць тому

      @@SlimXG Well, Lathander, be damned!

  • @emmaverhaeghe2101
    @emmaverhaeghe2101 Місяць тому +1

    Just tested that today and as durge you also get the slayer because it considers Isobel and last light dead (even though they’re very much alive and kicking!), amazing for a evil durge with still the advantages of having dammon in act 3, and evil shadowheart

    • @SlimXG
      @SlimXG  Місяць тому

      Hah that is great. I hadn't been doing any Dark Urge testing, so I wasn't able to confirm that. I had read people say that killing Nightsong gives you slayer form, but I figured that was just because it also killed Isobel.

    • @ItachiUchiha-dt9td
      @ItachiUchiha-dt9td Місяць тому

      Is there a way to prevent it though, I wonder? Playing a resist durge, so I didn't want the slayer form, but killed nightsong (while using the silence trick, so isobell lived). I guess there probably isn't.. :|

  • @Polomance862
    @Polomance862 18 днів тому

    I think the only concern I have in this dialogue when you disclose Aylin's fate. A deception roll really isn't mandatory when she really hasn't any reason not to believe you if Ketheric was able to take control of her immortality. Sure, she wants to find her beloved yet I feel like there's many ways they could've made that scene work.
    1. Admit to killing Aylin
    1.1: Claim she was controlled and couldn't be rationalized with.(Lie - Pretend not being able to stop her.)
    1.2: Claim Aylin requested to be killed to stop Ketheric. (Lie - Make it sound like Aylin's heroic sacrifice.)
    1.3: Admit to knowing no other way to make Ketheric vulnerable. (Truth - Only Aylin tells you how to break the curse on her and she doesn't disclose that until Shadowheart throws the spear away.)
    1.4 Admit wanting to kill a demi-god. (Truth - You chose to kill a divine creature just to piss off Isobel.)

  • @Mary42877
    @Mary42877 16 днів тому

    The voice acting is amazing, it's a shame we can't see this dialogue without exploits

  • @Kitalula
    @Kitalula Місяць тому +2

    Gale summed up in two words---

  • @chromaetheral
    @chromaetheral 18 днів тому

    9:59 - so, they fixed the exploit by making it work again, rather than removing it completely - god I fucking love larian

  • @thoraero
    @thoraero Місяць тому +1

    This game is crazy!

  • @ThiccOleCat
    @ThiccOleCat Місяць тому

    I'm sad now. Fantastic video.

  • @Vegeta0585
    @Vegeta0585 Місяць тому

    she notices this, yet no one even mentions Jaheria died at moonlight towers. Standing by her coprse saying "with you and jaherai to lead us, we cant lose!" .........

  • @Shendarry
    @Shendarry 28 днів тому

    Hi! Thanks for your video, it was very interesting. But now I wondering - what program you use to see the dialogues? Can you please tell the name? Tnx :)

    • @SlimXG
      @SlimXG  28 днів тому

      Those neat HTML parsed versions of the dialogue are produced with a program called BG3 Dialog Reader

    • @Shendarry
      @Shendarry 28 днів тому

      @@SlimXG Thank you!

  • @DebDebDevin
    @DebDebDevin Місяць тому

    I could never again, always have to save Shadowheart from Shar and reunite Isobel and Dame Aylin. One evil playthrough and it was so hard to do, it hurt to see everyone fall to their worsts self.
    Only saving nightsong from now on and making sure Shadowheart is happy and safe and same with dame.

  • @Mayhap34
    @Mayhap34 Місяць тому +3

    Question, do you need to take care of Bethazar before the encounter or does it still work when he shows up to fight?

    • @SlimXG
      @SlimXG  Місяць тому +2

      Hmm, you could probably do it even after the Balthazar fight, since you have to click Nightsong to start her conversation, in that case. Should be as simple as moving the Silence caster far enough away to not get pulled into the conversation. But at the moment, I haven't tested it.

  • @edgarroberto3451
    @edgarroberto3451 Місяць тому

    That is what was looking for good job, subscribed! Why shadowheart didnt chenge her hair? Is this an outcome of using this trick ?

    • @SlimXG
      @SlimXG  Місяць тому

      Avatar Shadowheart gets a chance to choose if you want to change her hair on the Selune path, and I haven't actually looked into where/when the same choice exists for the Shar path.

  • @IzzyHoP_
    @IzzyHoP_ Місяць тому +8

    I knew there was so much scripting going into this phase of the game but not this much

    • @SlimXG
      @SlimXG  Місяць тому +5

      There are nearly 1000 individual Goal files for the campaign. I've barely scratched the surface.

  • @mcbadrobotvoice8155
    @mcbadrobotvoice8155 Місяць тому +1

    Wish i knew this when i did my last run. I could have got the good spear and jaheira

  • @ludvigtheowopaladin
    @ludvigtheowopaladin 29 днів тому +2

    i was so desperate to do this

  • @angmarliche9187
    @angmarliche9187 Місяць тому

    @SlimXG Clearly Someone is having fun adding Isobel everywhere in game 😂

  • @Juniper_Rose
    @Juniper_Rose 25 днів тому

    appropriate that the deception check is 18...shes a cleric, after all! wisdom is her primary stat!

    • @SlimXG
      @SlimXG  25 днів тому +1

      Though she also really *wants* it to be true, so you'd think that'd give her disadvantage . .

  • @MagicGonads
    @MagicGonads Місяць тому +4

    so... is the explanation for why silencing prevents markus' assault that... he didn't hear you guys talking so didn't know he needed to interrupt?

    • @MagicGonads
      @MagicGonads Місяць тому

      considering that it didn't get patched out and was in fact given support

    • @SlimXG
      @SlimXG  Місяць тому

      Hahah I don't know why they actually decided to fix that trick to work properly. It was an odd choice. They _could_ change things more generally to stop Silence from breaking cutscenes, but they seem to like the "Well, if they're Silenced, they can't talk" explanation.

  • @tiph3802
    @tiph3802 Місяць тому +2

    Wait, Lakrissa owes you money?!

    • @travishartzler9155
      @travishartzler9155 Місяць тому +4

      If you meet her in the grove, there's a dialogue that involves betting her 10 gold that the tieflings will survive.

  • @doloresabernathy9809
    @doloresabernathy9809 Місяць тому +1

    Wait, what? how/why would anyone think that Silence stops a cutscene if no one is casting a spell? is there a game mechanics, coding or narrative logic to this?
    but by the way I am real happy to know this now cause I love DJ Shart but also like Jaheira/Minsc and the Iron Gnome stuff in Act 3. so thank you for figuring this out!

    • @SlimXG
      @SlimXG  Місяць тому +4

      Anyone Silenced is prevented from speaking, which breaks all sorts of dialogue and cutscenes.

    • @doloresabernathy9809
      @doloresabernathy9809 Місяць тому

      @@SlimXG Aha thanks I never would have guessed. I guess the game is more “realistic” in that way than I assumed. along those lines, i had read online that Raphael can’t sing his big finale song if silenced, but I tried it and it seems to be a funny but false idea.

    • @vileluca
      @vileluca Місяць тому

      ​@@SlimXG it also lets you kill Raphael without him initiating any dialogue.

  • @arashimifune2853
    @arashimifune2853 Місяць тому +1

    Isobel at your camp: Get out of my sight!
    So she's pissed, but stays at your camp? :V
    If you free the pixie from the moonlantern, Isobel's blessing is obsolete. Was there some unique dialogue for her or the player for that occasion? 🤔

    • @SlimXG
      @SlimXG  Місяць тому +1

      There is extra dialogue in the file for if you have the moon lantern itself, but I've not actually tested it in-game. Oh, and the blessing also gives you a Necrotic Resistance buff, which is quite useful throughout Act 2.

    • @NoodleArms2004
      @NoodleArms2004 Місяць тому +2

      She says something along the lines of "Well, forgive me for gilding the lily" in that cheeky manner of hers.

  • @dexcal8009
    @dexcal8009 25 днів тому

    wow thanks slim shady

  • @tylertheultimatebadass87
    @tylertheultimatebadass87 8 днів тому

    The crown.

  • @kwdblade4683
    @kwdblade4683 Місяць тому +6

    It was probably intended to be easier to access this. I doubt they'd record so much dialog for something that you have to literally trick the game in to allowing.

    • @SlimXG
      @SlimXG  Місяць тому +6

      Yeah, seems likely there was meant to be some intended method, at some point. You can also see the same dialogue by picking Isobel up and carrying her out of Last Light before you kill Nightsong . .

    • @naterardin8053
      @naterardin8053 Місяць тому

      I don't think they think of these things as "dialogue for if the player does X". More like "dialogue just in case X is true and Y is true" and how likely (or even possible) it is for X and Y to be true isn't considered as much. This way, if later in development some change is made which makes it easier to have X and Y be true, they don't have to think back through every logical sequence of events that could've led there.
      Like, if you record dialogue for every meaningful combination of flags, you don't have to worry as much about whether a seemingly unrelated alteration makes that combo possible; you have it covered anyway.

  • @electricVGC
    @electricVGC 13 днів тому

    You might be slightly insane

    • @SlimXG
      @SlimXG  13 днів тому +1

      Chances are good

  • @SynthuaVids
    @SynthuaVids Місяць тому +2

    Isn't this what happens when you let Balthazar take Aylin?

    • @SlimXG
      @SlimXG  Місяць тому +3

      She still survives and shows up during the Myrkul fight, just like when you free her in the Shadowfell

    • @theredeft5319
      @theredeft5319 Місяць тому +2

      She can only die in the shadow fell with the spear of night. Otherwise she is immortal.