Kinda obvious, but tne thing I noticed is that Talion frequently says "we" or "our" in his speeches, whereas Celebrimbor always mentions the "rise of the Bright Lord." Celebrimbor doesn't even try to hide his megalomania, but Talion recognizes that the struggle is bigger than anyone's individual ambitions.
@@ulfablod wait no, Celebrimbor also talks as in "us" and "ours" and if I heard both of them talking I would totally follow Celebrimbor because he has more hype and stuff like that
Celebrimbor's sounds powerful, mighty, pissed, and maybe a bit generic But TALION sounds fucken scary, the echo gives off the dark and brooding but ominous feeling. Really giving the lord of Mordor the middle finger. Like he's just DARING you to take a single step forward.
One thing I've noticed. After Celebrimbor and Sauron fused, they are called the Lord of Mordor. As opposed to the Dark Lord. I just find it cool everyone knows there's a difference.
@@theforgottenscotsman7659 Never did think about how surprisingly well Brüz foreshadowed that shit until now. Like he needs to pick up the phone, cus he fucking called it.
"We are the power in Mordor, and we are FOREVER!" R.I.P. Talion and Michael, they fought and now they rest. And will forever remain the true powers of Mordor.
If only, if only Online Conquest still allowed for the opening Overlord speech and this ending speech. Then we wouldn't have to lose our own fortresses in order to hear these wonderful interactions, instead get to hear it from the Overlords that other players chose.
Shadow wars are infinite now So you can effectively get infinite speeches when losing the quest And to not get betrayed from being killed I found doing worse than death shaming the uruk that killed you delays/stops betrayals within your ranks but betrayals are still random
Seems like the only way to replay these badass stuff is to purposely lose your fort defense, just make sure you die to a low level orc cause it was damn obnoxious trying to recover a fort taken from a orc 15 levels higher than me
They should had changed the color of the Orc's armor and flags and territories to green after the change to Nazgul leaving it bright blue like the bright lord made no sense plus the orcs should call you Nazgul from then on or Talion.
I think that the orcs that only wear blue armor technically follow him willingly, the ones that aren’t branded i mean, I think they’re the orcs your captains ruled over
@@cream_pieluver its still talion, he just goes a tad bit evil every now and then because of the ring. This is showed when/if you die, the nazgul whos ring he took talks to talion and he resists to turn 100% nazgul.
@@cream_pieluver "as long as there is life in my body my fate remains my own" "I am not of darkness yet" he's still himself just wears the ring of a nazgul
My game glitched and all the speeches didn’t happen. He just stood there... awkwardly until the cheers stopped and then it got more awkward. It was hilarious.
i still prefer the trailer version of the fortress seiges and what not. followers have a chance to charge into your 1v1 with the overlord, so you dont have to have a bodygaurd on standby to call instead. and when you throw an overlords head over the edge of the perch, it shows some of your followes rushing to grab the head down below.
@@welsh-cymru1588 Only problem is that they'll build statues of Sauron, which doesn't really make sense, but it's minor issue that you can easily ignore if it doesn't bother you.
@@welsh-cymru1588 How? Talion literally renounces Sauron when he captures a fortress. Doing so, then having orcs build statues of his *sworn enemy* is completely illogical. Sure, he eventually joins Sauron, but that doesn't happen until long after our playtime.
@@noiwontsignyourarmpit5263 I know that but I changed all my forts to the dark tribes and I wear the blackened servant armor with the mask of the undying and only do online fort conquests talion dont give the speach about taking down the lord of morder after each fort conquest only single player conquests it feels like I'm capturing forts for sauron then
I prefer Talion speech not because of the echo or something like that but because when it’s Celebrimbor who speak, it feel like he just want to show Sauron who has the biggest and nothing more. But when it’s Talion who speak, you feel he really mean what he say, if he had kept his ring ( Fuck Eltariel why you just didn’t give his ring back !?) you now Talion would have continued to resist Sauron forever
So sick, one of my all time favourite games ever! I’ve played this for over 115 hours. Can you do some gameplay? I wish I could switch between Celebrimbor and Dark Talion
@@bleachedshadow9981 Talion never separates his followers from himself, as if he and them are one being. "WE are Mordor" Celebrimbor made it very clear that his followers are just his servants. "You fight for the Bright Lord"
"On it, Ranger! Er, can I get some for Ranger and I?" "Go ahead. Just don't anger any of the captains... They tend to gut filchers." "Filcher? Me? It's just a little grog!" "Tell that to whoever takes your fingers off."
@@Acrysalis Yes, but he didn't convert Minas Morgul to a human city after that. It's still under Nazgul's control (under Talion's control). I mean he could convert it back to Ithil.
He poured his power and life force into his ring just as Celebrimbor did, he is near powerless at this point compared to how he was when he had the ring. The only difference is that Celebrimbor's ring has a wearer and Sauron's ring is being kept by a hobbit far from Mordor.
One thing I didn't like about the ringwraith cloak was that it was in one piece, I feel it should have been tattered and torn like the second level of the darkest cloak.
@@FeeshOfTGMC Well technically yeah. Dark Talion is stronger than Celembrimbor. Evident by the fact that Talion+Celembrimbor were struggling and had to 2v1 (Eltariel) the Nazgul in order to beat them. Dark Talion however single handedly defeated the Witch-King who was by far the strongest of the Nazgul. So: Dark Talion >Bright Lord Talion.
I really love how the shadow of Mordor series was just a really REALLY good Nazgûl origin story 😭 And how Sauron could’ve lost everything TO THAT NAZGÛL
Personally Talion Why ? Because Celebrimbor’s speech emphasises on his personal glory and return and few times mentions hard work his minion did But Talion’s of course he’s ring wraith on process to become Nazgûl. However he recognises His minions on every speech that’s make good leader boss than Celebrimbor’s
We are forever my ass!!! I like the game but Nazgul Talion being badass than Celebrimbor? In the arena?! Before the battle of Barad Ur?! I take The Elf anyday... but for Talion him taking back Minas Morgul from the witch King of Angmar plus with Isuldur ring, made absolutely no sense
Idc about the garbage writing, cele talion was way cooler, after the game you're just left with this bozo after he started listening to My Chemical Romance.
I was told this sounded better than bright lord talion? This just has some shitty auto tune added to what is already Talion's gay ass voice, fuckin went from BRIGHT LORD, to edgelord real quick.
Kinda obvious, but tne thing I noticed is that Talion frequently says "we" or "our" in his speeches, whereas Celebrimbor always mentions the "rise of the Bright Lord." Celebrimbor doesn't even try to hide his megalomania, but Talion recognizes that the struggle is bigger than anyone's individual ambitions.
Talion while absolutely despise orcs, he still respects his followers
Celebrimbor only see them as tools and servants and nothing more
I always liked how talion hates orcs but does respect the ones who follow him.
Talion tried to civilize Orcs and bring order to Mordor while Celebrimbor just wanted to be a king.
@@thecommentguy9380 in all fairness I'd say most of hist hatred disappears during Shadow Wars
It actually makes since that talion likes some of the orcs considering his relationship with ratbag
Imagine if you were a person trying to sneak into mordor and you hear talions voice echoing in the mountains :o
Past
One does not simply walk into Mordor. The epicness of the speeches roasts mortal men alive.
I would either run away or run toward in order to offer my service most likely run away though too many orcs in the way
He sounds badass
It’s not a real place
@@michelleforde1526 thank you captain obvious
His speeches are far more motivational then celebrimbors:
Celebrimbor:My Fortress!
Talion: Our Fortress!
Communism vs Capitalism
@@prosniperism xD
@@ulfablod wait no, Celebrimbor also talks as in "us" and "ours" and if I heard both of them talking I would totally follow Celebrimbor because he has more hype and stuff like that
I dunno bro the arena speech and the traitor speech were sick af. T H E U N A S S A I L A B L E S T R E N G H T O F M Y A R M Y !
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Celebrimbor: "You serve the Bright Lord!"
Talion: "We hold the power in Mordor!"
Tyler Tenebrae and the means of production
Populist Talion
Virgin Totalitarian vs Chad Communist
@@_EldenRing_ Those things are the same
@@ToxicBastard maybe. maybe not. virgin and chad are two sides of the same coin afterall.
Talion's speeches have a ton of "we're not locked in here with them, they're locked here with us" energy.
Celebrimbor: *LOUD*
Talion: *ECHO ECHO echo e c h o*
To be fair, talion is a nazgul
@@pogggaming4470 appreciate Celebrimbor's speeches more.
But Talions voice effect is far superior.
Celebrimbor's sounds powerful, mighty, pissed, and maybe a bit generic
But TALION sounds fucken scary, the echo gives off the dark and brooding but ominous feeling. Really giving the lord of Mordor the middle finger. Like he's just DARING you to take a single step forward.
It's just a shitty autotune filter......
Pretty generic if you ask me.
I love how they keep the theme when you reconquer a fortress...
Even after becoming what he is Talion still takes a stand against sauron..
Whole reason he became it was to stand against the dark lord.
The lord or mordor*
JakeGaming324 the lord of Mordor is Sauron
Wee Aboo He referring to Sauron and Celebrimbor
He withstood that ring for 80 years 80 f£&#ing years
One thing I've noticed. After Celebrimbor and Sauron fused, they are called the Lord of Mordor. As opposed to the Dark Lord. I just find it cool everyone knows there's a difference.
Nah they are called dark lord also in my playthrough
“Bright lord dark lord same thing really”
@@theforgottenscotsman7659 facts
Lord of mordor is just saurons title.
@@theforgottenscotsman7659 Never did think about how surprisingly well Brüz foreshadowed that shit until now. Like he needs to pick up the phone, cus he fucking called it.
"We are the power in Mordor, and we are FOREVER!" R.I.P. Talion and Michael, they fought and now they rest. And will forever remain the true powers of Mordor.
Who's Michael?
Cause that's me name...
@@lordwarlockthangwrath8662 Michael Forgey was a developer for the game Shadow of Mordor, he had died and I just wanted to honor him.
@@kravv1232 ah! Yes, I recall now.
Guess I "Forthog", he?
@@kravv1232oh really? 😔 my respects to the man
“For as long as it takes we will hold back the lord of Mordor”
For a hundred years ._.
If only, if only Online Conquest still allowed for the opening Overlord speech and this ending speech. Then we wouldn't have to lose our own fortresses in order to hear these wonderful interactions, instead get to hear it from the Overlords that other players chose.
Lord Lycan I really wish that was a thing
@@HowTo11414
And how!
Alas, but it seems Monolith is moving on. What a missed opportunity to get a little more love for this game.
Shadow wars are infinite now
So you can effectively get infinite speeches when losing the quest
And to not get betrayed from being killed I found doing worse than death shaming the uruk that killed you delays/stops betrayals within your ranks but betrayals are still random
@@VergilTheLegendaryDarkSlayer Read his comment again.
Seems like the only way to replay these badass stuff is to purposely lose your fort defense, just make sure you die to a low level orc cause it was damn obnoxious trying to recover a fort taken from a orc 15 levels higher than me
They should had changed the color of the Orc's armor and flags and territories to green after the change to Nazgul leaving it bright blue like the bright lord made no sense plus the orcs should call you Nazgul from then on or Talion.
I've heard the orcs say "Find the Nazgul" when I sneak off to try and get a stealth attack on a captain
Gravewalker would be good
@@FeeshOfTGMC indeed, but the blue color after it bothered me. Should had been green at that point?
@@joynelbonetdelgado4952 it should be green
I agree
Dark Talion's speeches put Celebrimbor's speeches to shame.
Dave Downs Jr. facts
T H E U N A S S A I B L E S T R E N G H T OF MY .... A R R M Y Y Y! No sir i must object
Idk man, the Arena speech and the Speech about Traitors were fucking amazing
@@vortexeffect2781 yeah Celebrimbor was 10/10 at speeches💯💯💯
@@yourman1200 ye but talion was 100/10
I wonder how many orcs follow him willingly because they see he is a man of honor.
I think that the orcs that only wear blue armor technically follow him willingly, the ones that aren’t branded i mean,
I think they’re the orcs your captains ruled over
I love Nazgul Talion speech more then Brigth Lord :)
They are sooo badass...
The voice effect is great.
@@ankelaostheweird905 I really wish I could get a voice changer that does that xD
Nuh, he must serve the bright lord
@@Tabby-nw3bu he wont serve The Bright Lord .
Talions speech are more badass but celebrimbor knows how to handle an army which is why his is more hyped because of his past experience
Look at Talion how far is he now from what he was.. remember how he was watching his family getting murdered in front of his eyes.
In the black gate but this isn't really talion anymore
@@cream_pieluver its still talion, he just goes a tad bit evil every now and then because of the ring. This is showed when/if you die, the nazgul whos ring he took talks to talion and he resists to turn 100% nazgul.
@@undscvr That's the Witch King talking to him, not Isildur.
@@cream_pieluver "as long as there is life in my body my fate remains my own" "I am not of darkness yet" he's still himself just wears the ring of a nazgul
@@peanutrecord6989 Wait, the second one is wrong i think. I remember him saying he WAS part of the darkness but no in the witch king domains YET"
ALL HAIL LORD TALION !!!!!!!
Your profile is Jesus recruiting thanos lol
All hail the nazgul
All hail lord Revan!
Lord Talion
WE WILL FIGHT IN HIS NAMEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!
All Hail Lelouch
My game glitched and all the speeches didn’t happen. He just stood there... awkwardly until the cheers stopped and then it got more awkward. It was hilarious.
I thought that was only me 🤣
That is no glitch. Sometimes it just happens.
He forgot his speech lmao
i still prefer the trailer version of the fortress seiges and what not. followers have a chance to charge into your 1v1 with the overlord, so you dont have to have a bodygaurd on standby to call instead.
and when you throw an overlords head over the edge of the perch, it shows some of your followes rushing to grab the head down below.
midgerm yeah I liked that too
My consciousness holding back the encroaching and rising threat of ultimate horniness
Do you mind if I steal this and make a meme about it.
Edit: Did it ua-cam.com/video/nSbbBtVl9Yg/v-deo.html
@@3.2187_Kilometres go for it. Just tell me when u make it. I always thought it would make for a good meme
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Flags , armors and other stuff could change like capturing fortress makes green aura. Talion should be called Gravewalker or something else.
If you put a member of the dark orc tribe as overseer it fits with talons new ringwraith look
@@welsh-cymru1588 Only problem is that they'll build statues of Sauron, which doesn't really make sense, but it's minor issue that you can easily ignore if it doesn't bother you.
@@noiwontsignyourarmpit5263 it does make sense that's one of the reasons why it fits because you join the nazgul at the end and serve sauron
@@welsh-cymru1588 How? Talion literally renounces Sauron when he captures a fortress. Doing so, then having orcs build statues of his *sworn enemy* is completely illogical. Sure, he eventually joins Sauron, but that doesn't happen until long after our playtime.
@@noiwontsignyourarmpit5263 I know that but I changed all my forts to the dark tribes and I wear the blackened servant armor with the mask of the undying and only do online fort conquests talion dont give the speach about taking down the lord of morder after each fort conquest only single player conquests it feels like I'm capturing forts for sauron then
During the Shadow Wars, I think Talion’s Army should’ve been colored Green instead of Blue, does anyone else agree?
Better than Celebrimbors speeches ngl. Less fierce and angry, but more dominate and morale boosting
Freakin Dope, its much better than Celebrimbors speech
naw more like GREEN LORD
because greenish colors
Truth it is better
Diana Chidsey eh nazgul lord? No.. ringwraith lord? No... fuck it shadow lord. There we go
Edge lord
I know it’s not a big deal, but its kinda irritating seeing how his wraith side doesn’t really match with the upgraded Nazgûl armor.
Great video, love your work!!
I prefer Talion speech not because of the echo or something like that but because when it’s Celebrimbor who speak, it feel like he just want to show Sauron who has the biggest and nothing more. But when it’s Talion who speak, you feel he really mean what he say, if he had kept his ring ( Fuck Eltariel why you just didn’t give his ring back !?) you now Talion would have continued to resist Sauron forever
Fun Fact the blade of thing is the one who voiced tailons wife
kept*
@@ChristianProtossDragoon thank you my friend
Talion forever fights for what's good. For what Celebrimbor doesn't.
Imagine hearing such a speach on the elections :D Talion would have been a great president
Steinn Bjorn ikr
id vote for tailon
Make middle-earth great again
Thank goodness someone posted this, i won't live if someone did not post this.
Аж мурашки от тембра голоса и эффекта эха Талиона. Его речь гораздо лучше, чем когда он был с Келембрибором. 😊
“They cannot stand against the fury of our onslaught” sent chills down my spine
So sick, one of my all time favourite games ever! I’ve played this for over 115 hours. Can you do some gameplay? I wish I could switch between Celebrimbor and Dark Talion
I wanted to but my gpu is dead and i dont have money to buy a new one atm i will try asap!
These would be great pre battle speeches
The first speech goes so hard for no reason. Probably my favorite of the lot.
0:53 my fav
I like the difference between celebrimbors imperialist mindset and talions power to the people mindset
They both say we
@@bleachedshadow9981 Talion never separates his followers from himself, as if he and them are one being. "WE are Mordor"
Celebrimbor made it very clear that his followers are just his servants. "You fight for the Bright Lord"
@@thecommentguy9380 “you will serve,serve me,you fight for me now” are all Talion Domination quotes that differ from what you said.
@@bleachedshadow9981 im talking about the fort capture lines, obviously he still force them to work for him
Awesome speeches. I just wish he had that same knack for building up to the end of the speech Celebrimor does.
They should’ve made the beam of light green
0:54 best one
Fax
Ratbag: "Nice speech, ranger." Talion:"Bring out the Grog my Orcs are thirsty."
"On it, Ranger! Er, can I get some for Ranger and I?"
"Go ahead. Just don't anger any of the captains... They tend to gut filchers."
"Filcher? Me? It's just a little grog!"
"Tell that to whoever takes your fingers off."
The fact that Talion says Minas Morgul is the true power of Mordor mean that he somewhat like to be a Nazgul or assume being one and treated like one.
While you could be right, it’s also because minas morgul is your main base if you look in the army screen (talion is the overlord of it)
@@Acrysalis Yes, but he didn't convert Minas Morgul to a human city after that. It's still under Nazgul's control (under Talion's control). I mean he could convert it back to Ithil.
I hate how some of the effects are still blue instead of green after the game
That 1 dislike is Celebrimbor
Or the flaming Eye 👀
I’d love to see another game based on middle earth be cool to be a orc going through ranks until your a war chief or join talion
You'll have your wish, apparently there's gonna be a third.
@@Spiffy-sd5ix good, very good.
@@Spiffy-sd5ix oh wow really thank you for telling me I’m excited
Stalemate. Is. Victory.
I really like the head victory part I really do
Chills, literal chills
ALL HAIL TALION!
This game showed us that sauron Is not as strong an the movies showed him
Talion, how do you feel about Celebrimbor betraying you?
He poured his power and life force into his ring just as Celebrimbor did, he is near powerless at this point compared to how he was when he had the ring. The only difference is that Celebrimbor's ring has a wearer and Sauron's ring is being kept by a hobbit far from Mordor.
Talion is lit
What was Talion during the Shadow Wars? He wasn’t a Bright or Dark Lord, but he was a type of Lord. I wondered about that
a Nazgul
@@PetersaberHD a nazgul in rebellion xD
The Grave Lord, a combination of lord and Gravewalker.
One thing I didn't like about the ringwraith cloak was that it was in one piece, I feel it should have been tattered and torn like the second level of the darkest cloak.
Talion speech never get old
what effects are added to talions voice to add the nazgul voice ?
What if Celibrimbor and Dark Talion performed a speech together?
They cannot do this as long Talion wearing Isildur's ring
That would be awesome, maybe eltarial next to talion. Missed opportunity
if eltariel gave celebrimbor's ring Talion would be again normal and everything could be different
Supeusz she’s greedy tho. She would never have done it.
@@HowTo11414 Imagine Nazgul Talion possessing Eltariel. Now that would be a team
When sow don’t work and your character just stay in silence
Do you know a way to fix that? I never got to hear a single one
@@yourman1200 you can’t fix that, but you can start new game and it’s will fix
@@yourman1200 sorry for bad english
@@user-cl8qg9jf4f oh ok thank you so much👍
@@yourman1200 no problem)
I wish I could play as Celebrimbor and take down Nazgul Talion for some reason
because in the end "You will serve the bright lord"
Talion is powerful then bright lord and Witch King . Even Sauron. Celembrimbor sees everyone like tools .
@@FeeshOfTGMC Well technically yeah. Dark Talion is stronger than Celembrimbor. Evident by the fact that Talion+Celembrimbor were struggling and had to 2v1 (Eltariel) the Nazgul in order to beat them. Dark Talion however single handedly defeated the Witch-King who was by far the strongest of the Nazgul. So: Dark Talion >Bright Lord Talion.
Thor Odinson how many fucking times its ringwraith talion not dark
Actually if shelob never took the ring the talion and celebrimbor would of beaten sauron and won
Kyriacos Keravnos I think Celebrimbor was holding back because he wanted to dominate the Nazgul, not kill them.
Yikes XD. I didn’t get to hear most of these… but wow they’re amazing… . I love it!
Wonder how you found alot of them, did you purposely die in a fort defense and attack again?
Yes
@@thecommentguy9380 well that sounds obnoxious and tedious to do honestly. 😐
Talion stay spitting 🔥
Nazgul talion
The Dark Talion vs Witch King vs The Bright Lord vs Sauron who wins ?
ReddyTRM Backo dark talion
Cause talion would not try to dominate sauron (celibrimbor is an idiot)
Truth
@@HowTo11414 Talion has already beat the witch king, he knows Celebrimbors moves because he has used them before and Sauron is a big clumsy oaf.
@@borkbork6888 Sauron with his ring is a different problem entirely.
That's not all of them.
I really love how the shadow of Mordor series was just a really REALLY good Nazgûl origin story 😭
And how Sauron could’ve lost everything TO THAT NAZGÛL
💀 damn you kinda right
Talion's speeches are always a bit eerie when compared to Celebrimbor's speeches.
Hey
Shame this game became unplayable after the unasked for 'every enemy is lv80 now patch'
For me he kinda just stands there for an akward 1-2 minutes
Its weird skin bug. Just equip the skin your supposed to have then reset.
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Who gave the better speeches? Talion or Celebrimbor?
Personally Talion Why ?
Because Celebrimbor’s speech emphasises on his personal glory and return and few times mentions hard work his minion did
But Talion’s of course he’s ring wraith on process to become Nazgûl. However he recognises His minions on every speech that’s make good leader boss than Celebrimbor’s
My game is bug whitout reason an never can hear them
Talion was the TRUE Bright Lord of Mordor
No
I'd love to have Talions weird Nazgul powers as a starter base in world of Warcraft I'd totally be all making cute Nazgul babies with Sylvanas
Arthas would be rekt from the start by the guy.
@@nordicgaming5429 Arthas: all shall serve. In life, or death
Talion: i am banished from death
I like evil Talion better
Celebrimbor's speeches are better, but Talion's are still awesome.
I agree.
My favourite one is afyer you get the fort back from
Bruz
No Wrong
We are forever my ass!!! I like the game but Nazgul Talion being badass than Celebrimbor? In the arena?! Before the battle of Barad Ur?! I take The Elf anyday... but for Talion him taking back Minas Morgul from the witch King of Angmar plus with Isuldur ring, made absolutely no sense
I really don’t like the dark Talion’s speeches. And on top of that, I hate the wraith counterpart.
Shut Up He Means What He Says
Idc about the garbage writing, cele talion was way cooler, after the game you're just left with this bozo after he started listening to My Chemical Romance.
Fuk Up You Hater Tailon Legit Sacrificed Himself For Mordor Shut Up His Speechs Are Better Celebrimbor Is Just A Stupid Betrayer
I was told this sounded better than bright lord talion? This just has some shitty auto tune added to what is already Talion's gay ass voice, fuckin went from BRIGHT LORD, to edgelord real quick.
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