A Cult of Catholic Traditionalists (with Patricia Walsh Chadwick)
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- Опубліковано 25 тра 2024
- We tell the true story of growing up in a cult of Catholic Traditionalists, Patricia Walsh Chadwick tells of her story breaking free from extreme traditionalists of Feenyism. These were radical traditional Catholics, and Fr. Feeney was excommunicated.
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Is she no longer Catholic? I looked her up, and she founded Anchor Health Initiative Corporation which, according to their website, provides "gender affirming care" to those who think they're trans. God doesn't put people in the the wrong body. God doesn't make mistakes.
There's only two genders period and I will leave this comment two genders only male and female God makes no mistakes and those that choose to want to think they can change genders it's lies from the deceiver......
We must pray for all and love all but there's only two genders male and female period
Two genders only period God made make and female and that's the truth two genders only and males are born males females born females that's that
Bryan Mercier should address this
If this is true, it’s Father Feeny’s fault. Liberalism and conservatism always produce each other.
After coming out of an ultra traditionalist cult, it's not a surprise that she went in the opposite direction. Many people who come out of cults do that sadly but understandably. She appears to hold to teachings that are contrary to the Catholic faith. And that's why cults are so dangerous and why we're trying to raise awareness about them because they lead people astray in multiple ways. We never talked about her Catholicity but rather were trying to expose cults and the damage they do.
Bryan as a catholic, how can you say she is trying to bring goodness into the world? Why haven't you called her out for the things she supports?
I can't afford to support this channel financially but I just wanted to leave a comment to let you know that I am praying for this ministry with our Blessed Mother. Please pray for the conversion and sanctification of myself and my family. Such important messages coming from the content of these videos; I hope that both Catholics and non-Catholics get this recommended to them so that they can better understand our Church and set it apart from all the heresies!
Thank you so much! God bless. 🙏🏻🙏🏻
Still disgusting to hear him go on and on and on , constantly associating fTraditionalism with heresy and extremism.. As if those who attend TLM and practice the orthodox faith are heretics on a cult There is something not of God about that . Otherwise it was a good channel but I had to unsubscribe.
@@CatholicTruthOfficial God desires Obedience more than Sacrifice. It's in a Bible verse in Isaiah.
@@Darth_Vader258 yeah, do as you're told or else, that's love. or burn.
@@ADMIC1531 Wow, thank you! I'm actually Canadian but I see similar problems with false traditionalism in my country (admittingly, the radical "progressives" who try to make the Church more like the Anglicans/Lutherans/United are more of a problem imo). But I also know plenty of young Catholics like me who desire to be faithful to Sacred Scripture, Tradition and Magisterium and fully support the Second Vatican Council. God bless!
This lady’s testimony echoes what the Puritan society was like, except that they encouraged education.
just a quick reminder that the first amendment conflicts with the first commandment
"thou shalt worship whoever you want"
and that the declaration of human rights gives ME more rights than god.
and a history lesson cos the USA is a secular nation, not many people seem to know that,
and the founding fathers were at best deists and certainly not christian. hitchens became
a naturalised american purely because of the constitution. the UK is officially christian,
the US is officially secular.
is it annoying that the satanic temple has the SAME RIGHTS as the church ?
That's why we who have the Holy Spirit know his voice and belong to Jesus , and sadly people are easily led astray look at mormons and jw...let us pray for those that have strayed from the truth that they come back
And those that haven't been set free by the truth that the Truth will set them free let's pray for the salvation of all souls. ..and let us stay fasten in the word of God and truth in his Holy Church and let us pray for each other!
Amen
Amen
Ahmen!
There will only be Catholics in Heaven, but many non Catholics will enter Heaven, but they will learn the fullness of the faith before entering Heaven. That is my understanding.
Jesus didn’t say be Catholic and you will enter the kingdom of heaven. Jesus said, unless you are born again you cannot enter the kingdom of heaven. The Bible also says all who call on the name of the Lord Jesus shall be saved. St. Paul says For by grace (God’s unmerited favor) through faith in the finished work of the cross are you saved not of works lest we should boast.” Salvation can’t be earned and salvation doesn’t happen by belonging to a denomination but by believing that only through the Blood of Jesus Christ can we be forgiven and living out the Word of God. Read the Gospel of John. ❤✝️
Do you see the contradiction in your words? If only Catholics are in heaven there will be no non-Catholics in heaven. Can God join people to His Church without making it known? Of course He can! Does He do that? There is no revelation to confirm it.
@@CICMCB By what authority do you say these things?
It’s really weird that people brand themselves as Catholic but behave just like Protestants. Not knocking our Protestant brothers and sisters, but I hope that we can all agree that hypocrisy is an abominable vice.
it's going to be just you and god in heaven isn't it, all you lot think you're god's chosen one. you all hate each other don't you.
@@HarryNicNicholas I’m sorry you may be replying to the wrong person.
It is incredibly unfortunate, and sadly a lot of politicians who proclaim themselves Catholic are actually under latae sententiae excommunication as a result of their conduct. We should pray for these souls so that they humble themselves before God, receive the Sacrament of Reconciliation, and hold fast to the teachings and traditions of the one, holy, Catholic, and apostolic church.
Thank you for having her on and thank you for talking about this subject !
“All heretics believe they know the deposit of faith more than the pope.”
- Cardinal Victor Fernandez
💯. I recommend "More Catholic than the Pope" by Patrick Madrid and Canon lawyer, Pete Vere.
Can you do a video on anton lavey @@CatholicTruthOfficial
Tucho is you go to? 🤦🏼♀️
@@CatholicTruthOfficialisn’t he anti Pope Francis & SSPX?
Oh the heal me with your kiss, guy? Fernandez? 🤔
God truly was merciful to her, from what I understand or hear; she was kicked out with nothing, and after the nun died, she was the breadwinner and God allowed her to meet mentors that would help her instead of treat her horribly, she knew next to nothing like a little sheltered child, and yet the mercy of God helped her out... truly a wonderful blessing, if she loved it, maybe she was designed to do stuff like this.... it's truly phenomenal. I hope someday God will bless me with my plans for a small business, I am unmarried and can't handle any work that isn't something I truly love doing.
God bless her and thank you for sharing your story🙏
Thank you for saying thank you!
@@philgonzales1218🐺
Bryan after going on her website and reading about the Corporation she cofounded, I am very disappointed you had her on your channel
Thanks Jim. She had a story that needed to be shared and some of the harmful cults and their ways need to be more exposed. We never said she was perfect or even a model.
@@CatholicTruthOfficial Why not at least share the gospel with her?
@@jimbob3719 I see the other side why Bryan interviewed her and other people like her who are not yet fully converted . It's also Bryan's way of evangelizing them. They might become interested in watching the other videos of Bryan and get enlightened by them little by little and get converted fully eventually. So I see no wrong with Bryan interviewing her or the likes of her.
"Do not judge a book by its cover ..... because Bryan is not a book. (Joke)
@@CatholicTruthOfficial But her judgment is questionable - perhaps her story is false. If she believes you can change sexes, she’s messed up.
@@CatholicTruthOfficialyou're more interested in pwning rad trads (who are in communion with the pope) than sharing the gospel with someone who supports "gender affirming care". I'll pray for you.
Whoa whoa whoa!!! If salvation outside Christs church was possible then why did he make one? Why not just be a non denominational stay at home protestant? There is a difference between a tribe of people who have never had interactions with people and never heard the truth. Yes they will go to heaven because of true ignorance of mortal sin but the protestant or atheist who just says no no LA LA LA I don't want to hear it doesn't get off like that. Purposefully ignoring only goes so far. There is only One way to heaven and it's through Christ and his church. I'm very sad to hear this on this channel
Invincible ignorance does not remove original sin.
The phrase is "Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus", however the key reminder is that (most) Protestants, by virtue of their baptism, are actually in imperfect union with Christ's Church. Emphasis on imperfect union. The real hinge is that those who are aware of the Church as the Bride of Christ and subsequently reject that and remain in their obstinance, they are in a different position that a Protestant who is unaware and never had the opportunity to see the wellspring of truth held by the one, holy, Catholic and apostolic church. As a convert myself it took a while for me to see the truth.
Same here🛐
Read Lumen Gentium. Protestants who were raised that way can be invisibly ignorant
Bryan I am surprised you don't believe what Fr Feeney teaches about salvation. On a previous post you said if you don't take the Catholic Eucharist. then you can't be saved. and also you said invincible ignorance is rare, which is the only way non Catholics can be saved right?
St Luke 18:9
He then addressed this parable to those who were convinced of their own righteousness and despised everyone else.c
I’m surprised she didn’t develop a severe case of scrupoloscity. God helped her along the way.
And God gave me confirmation thru her that I should go to NY.
She’s the 3rd person in a week that I ran into wearing NY on their outfit and now her. That is why one should always pray on it and ask God to give you confirmation.
Maybe she should have developed a conscience. She provides gender affirming care. I can’t trust her take on this now.
I'm glad I watched this.
Very very interesting how a good intended idea, in this case by Catherine at the beginning, can become poisoned by someone like Leonard and the "very educated" with toxic ideas. This was so damaging for too many. This type of "morphing" gives rise to division and "Cosmopolitans" are lots of the time guilty of causing the rift and in todays times, it is especially being driven through education. A typical example is how Catholic schools have morphed into private schools which is huge here in South Africa, making quality education academically and spiritually exclusive to the "rich and famous" One will not easily find a Catholic School catering for the working class or poor person which was the norm a couple of decades ago. I always believed we are meant to uplift each other and what better way than through "Quality" education. This was absolutely a terrible experience and to think it was driven by persons who just chose to disobey and were hellbent on thinking they knew it all.
"Now our adversaries respond that the Church ought to hear him (the Roman Pontiff) so long as he teaches correctly, for God must be heard more than men. On the other hand, who will judge whether the Pope has taught rightly or not? For it is not for the sheep to judge whether the shepherds wander off, not even and especially in those matters which are truly doubtful. Nor do christian sheep have any greater judge or teacher to whom they might have recourse. As we showed above, from the whole Church, one can appeal to the Pope, yet from him, no one is able to appeal, therefore necessarily the whole Church will err if the Roman Pontiff would err." - St. Robert Bellarmine
Exactly. People defending Francis in everything he does forget about the "teaching correctly" part.
@@mariajoseasbury8450 People defending Pope Francis adhere to the teaching of the Bible and the Dogma of the Church on the indefectibility of the Church and the infallibility of the Pope when he teaches from the Chair of Peter. Rad trads and sedes believe they are infallible and are preserved by the Holy Spirit from teaching and committing heresy when it comes to interpreting the catholic teachings but the Pope is not. Do you think you are infallible when it comes to interpreting the church teachings but the Pope is not? If you think so, you make Jesus and the Bible a liar like them.
@@marietav7342
Are YOU infallible? Perhaps instead of judging people who whom you LABEL "traditional", people who are simply Catholic & believe as the church has believed, instead of judging them all as you are doing...Take the plank out your own eye. Where's your "charity" now? You'd rather trash on other Catholics then dig deep for your charity & understanding toward the people you unfairly label.
@@marietav7342 I agree with you Sister. I am 100% sure that there are several WICKED and Abominable Popes already in Hell because they USED the Papacy only for themselves and not for God. But the numerous Saintly Popes outweigh the Abominable and Wicked Popes.
@@Vexx_Line_ Of course, I am NOT infallible, neither are you nor rad trads nor sspx. No one among us is protected from heresy by the Holy Spirit but only the Pope thats why I always submit to the authority of the Pope. But rad trads feel they are protected by the Holy Spirit from heresy but the pope is not. Too much pride.
Fr. Leonard Feeney was a great priest and was correct on the dogma of salvation! #justiceforfeeney
Great priest who went the wrong way. Holy Mother Church decides what is correct and proper interpretation, not you or Feeney or anyone else.
@@CatholicTruthOfficial and Holy Mother Church never contradicts Fr. Feeney! Or rather I should say Fr. Feeney taught CATHOLIC DOGMA. The only people that condemned him were modernist bishops and you fallen people! Doesn’t sound like Catholicism to me!
Yes, Holy Mother Church absolutely contradicted Feeney, or should we say, Feeney contradicted the Church. Hence the excommunication. A direct refusal to obey the Supreme pontiff and successor of Peter.
@@CatholicTruthOfficial and this is where you shot yourself in the foot. I’m about to send you to the shadow realm!
He was never excommunicated for heresy! He was “excommunicated” because a modernist bishop was too embarrassed to tell him what his charges were! Fr. Feeney was also under no obligation to appear in Rome and he knew it! Don’t believe me? Just read their exchange!
On Nov. 22, 1952, Pizzardo replied:
“Your letter of 30th October clearly shows that you are evading the issue… You are to come to Rome immediately where you will be informed of the charges lodged against you… If you do not present yourself… before the 31st December this act of disobedience will be made public with the canonical penalties… The Apostolic Delegate has been authorized to provide for the expenses of your journey.”
On Dec. 2, 1952, Father Feeney responded:
“Your Eminence seems to have misconstrued my motives in replying to your letter of October 25, 1952. I had presumed that your first letter was to serve as a canonical citation to appear before Your Sacred Tribunal. As a citation, however, it is fatally defective under the norms of Canon 1715 especially in that it did not inform me of the charges against me. This canon requires that the citation contain at least a general statement of the charges. Under the norms of Canon 1723 any proceedings based on a citation so substantially defective are subject to a complaint of nullity.”
As a matter of fact, this demonstrates clearly that Fr. Feeney wanted to act within the confines of the law and the bishop did not! Go figure!
You should interview a priest from the SSPX before you incorrectly categorize them.
Chadwick gives a lot of time to her mentors but no mention of God or the Blessed Mother helping her through the traumas of her life.
Just wondering if her giving birth to twins at the age of 45 was through IVF?
It is unfortunate, we should all pray for her.
Catholic truth
I am going I share this
Thank you!!
Thank you for this. It is very important that we help all of those who are in Trad Catholic Cults.
My family is still recovering from our involvement in one.
🙏🏻🙏🏻
Glad you are back, somehow I lost your address. Doug / Ottawa
The Catholic Church hasn’t fully settled what happens to an unbaptized baby.
The Traditional teaching of the father is that they go to a place called limbo. Some fathers disputed particulars about whether or not they suffer.
It is important to understand that traditionally “Hell” contained more than what our modern idea of hell is. For example the limbo of the fathers was in Hell though it was a place of perfect natural beatitude and there was no suffering.
Read Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma by Ludwig
We leave it up to God's infinite mercy what happens to unbaptized infants, who are not guilty of personal sins. The theory has been limbo, but the Church has not made a definitive declaration on the matter. Hell from the past is Sheol, and yes there was Abraham's bosom is that place of natural joy.
The Fundamentals is a great book, I have read it myself, but bear in mind that it is still a secondary source, I strongly recommend reading primary sources first, such as the Catechism.
Your show popped up today this is the second program I am watching and I fell in love with you and your program. Blessings ❤
So glad to hear it! Welcome to our channel! May God bless you and happy Sunday.
The current leader of the Slaves of the Immaculate, “Br.” Andre is from Louisiana. And went to Holy Apostles seminary which seems to be a cross point for many figures some for great food and others for terrible renound I’ve seen.
Anyway, the Slaves have influenced many radical leaders in Catho-Protestantism including 1) John Veneri, 2) Fr. Paul Kramer, 3) Fr. Gruner, 4) Catholic Family News, 5) Anthony Stine, 6) The Fatima Center, as well as many others.
It truly is amazing how many webs of connection this heretical cult has woven in between other schismatics, sedecacantists and general heretics.
My mom seems to be opening up to Apostolic Christianity but is more interested in Eastern Orthodoxy so that's a start I guess. How can I use this opportunity to guide her to the Catholic faith?
If and when she's ready, we have a couple of videos on Orthodox and Catholic and some of the problems with orthodoxy. So-called orthodoxy. If she's interested you can share them with her. Otherwise, pray for her. :)
Catholic, not Orthodox: Part 1: ua-cam.com/video/NQpK79qISwA/v-deo.html
Catholic, not Orthodox: Part 2: ua-cam.com/video/RjAPNbTYwpM/v-deo.html
Check out a book called Answering Orthodoxy by Michael Lofton. It refutes the arguments they make against Catholcism and will help you explain to her why they are wrong.
6:03 ecumenism leads to apathy leads to indifference which leads to nihilism and a will to power. Are we not here today?
Ecumenism is striving for what Christ prayed for, that we should all be one, and ecumenism is not a compromise of truth for the sake of unity.
@@catholictruthreplies you can say it’s not a compromise but the compromise between the NO and TLM is obvious. Watered down Catholicism isn’t the answer
@@catholictruthreplies I would add that the fact people use terms like “liberal” to describe a type of Catholicism which is an impossibility, a contradiction in terms is further evidence that the church has been watered down by modernism. This has happened before. What will emerge is a smaller, stronger and Orthodox Church.
@@TheGringoSalado The goal is not to strive for a liberal Church, but rather for a unified Church, following what was taught everywhere, always, and by all. The fulfillment of the precepts and prayers of Christ is the goal.
@@catholictruthreplies who’s goal? There are plenty in the church who’ve sought those ends first at least 100 years. St Pius X warned us.
ebtering the Catholic Church through ...Baptism of Water ... or Baptism of Fire .... or Baptism of Desire ... That's what I was taught in Catholic grade school. Baptism of Desire means the desire of a person know God/the Truth and lead a good life. That would extenfd to people of any and all religions and agnostics/atheists.
What then would the point of having an organisation called 'Church', which is responsible for passing down specific teachings & the sacraments then? Why would people join or participate if they can just "desire"? I understand that if someone has the desire to enter the church but hasn't yet been baptised, but what if they aren't aware of the Church? What were you taught abt that?
Out of curiosity, how come during the Transfiguration Jesus didn’t pray to King David or Abraham also?
Hi Kakaragi! Great to see your comments. Could you clarify what you mean by this?
@@catholictruthreplies When Jesus was praying on the mountain in Matthew 17, how come King David didn't appear too?
@@Kakaragi Ah, I understand you now. The reason both Moses and Elijah appeared was because both of them were bodily assumed into heaven and were able to appear physically that way during the transfiguration.
@@catholictruthreplies And David wasn't?
@@Kakaragi No, David was not bodily assumed into heaven.
Pray against All Foolisness. God knows who has disiplined themselves to his ways of truth and grace. Pray as you Live, Live as you Pray.
I grew up with no religion but as an adult I was in the fundamentalist Church of Christ Catholic of course now but anyway they sounded a lot like this group they said Catholics did not believe in the Bible they weren't Christians so they were all going to hell they said the Protestants weren't Christians either so they were all going to hell this church I was in claimed they was only true church in my town for this sounds pretty familiar to me but I will say and anybody can disagree if they want but even the normal rad trads sound very Protestant
70 years ago, everyone was a trad.
True, but not a rad trad. Big difference. Trad, good. Rad trad, bad.
Technically, all faithful Catholics are traditional im a way, whereas other Catholics who call themselves trad but reject the Pope and V II are not, in fact.
Not even that long, my area was not subjected to the upheaval until the late 80's early 90's!
@@CatholicTruthOfficial I consider myself a rad trad.
@@classicalteacher Yikes.
@@abnd8025 Prots hate me. I'm a prot convert. One of my undergrad degrees was in Bible. Church history is clear the organic development of the Church is the Latin Mass. I had to convert.
Norvus Ordo Catholics hate me because I disagree with the synthetic gay/modernist changes and purposeful malpractice of V2 in the Mass. V2 is clear: the Mass Ordinary should be in Latin (and Greek) and be able to be chanted by the congregation.
My wife is the music director at a Norvus Ordo and has the Traditional Latin Mass. Our priest celebrates both Masses. My wife has been trying to change the Norvus Ordo parishioners to do what the Church has asked, but it takes time to change the uneducated and prideful post V2 generations mind-set.
I did not join the Church Jesus Christ founded and maintains to have it look and behave like deficient prot churches.
Everyone was a rad trad by your definition before V2, but at that time be it was normal. The radical Liberalism ideology infiltrated the Church and distorted historic Christianity.
By your definition I am a rad trad, but in reality I am just a Trad.
God bless ➕🙏🇵🇭
Somebody needs to seriously define what anti $hem!t!sm is.
Saying a group of people is accursed by God is an observation. It doesn’t mean that you hate them.
Traditionally the church has taught that they should be wanders and a sign to us. That we should treat them the same way David treated Saul who was God’s anointed.
The shear weight of the Traditional teaching about the He brews brings home the a deep responsibility to pray for them out of love.
Though people really ought to look into their theology.
Brews theology
Instead of God being - He is becoming (they change the meaning of the Torah)
God needs brews (who are the sparks) to repair God’s face
God is both being and non being, both good and evil.
Non brews are goy/goium who only have animal souls
Christians are idolatrous (guess what the punishment for that is)
They actually have these things in their writings and teachings which are held up with the same or greater degree of authority as the Torah itself.
Thank you for sharing! I agree, the definition has become more nebulous over time.
I know the Church teaches that a baptized Catholic is always a Catholic but groups like Sedevacantists within the Church are Protestant to me.
They are not within the church though. Fyi.
@@CatholicTruthOfficial Sedevacantists consider themselves Catholic though. Would you agree?
No, Pope Brian, you don’t have the authority to make that claim. Try to be more charitable toward fellow Catholics.
@@andrewchabot8290 "Schism is the refusal of submission to the Supreme Pontiff or of communion with the members of the Church subject to him." Canon 751
@@AndrewAMD Therefore treating Feeneyites, SSPX, and sedevacantists as something less than Catholic is an act of schism.
The red flag for me is that the Jesuits and colleges were in the mix of it.
The Jesuits turned on Fr. Feeney, and they’ve been useless ever since.
Very strange how we went from unanimously and dogmatically teaching no salvation outside the Church to those outside the Church can be saved. I am not a rad trad feeneyite. I am just a man who reads all the Councils of the Church and as many papal documents as I can find, and see what appears to be a complete reversal of a fundamentally important dogma held unanimously by the Fathers, the Councils, and the Popes right up until the last century. To quote Leo XIII, it is a thing passing strange.
Thank you for the comment. It's still a dogmatic teaching and always will be. But it must be understood according to the mind of the church. And in the context of greater teaching on the matter, but the church absolutely still teaches it today.
@@CatholicTruthOfficial I can never get a straight answer as to how those nuances work. It usually comes down to either: "No one is saved outside the Church, except for those who are saved outside the Church," or "No one is saved outside the Church, but no one is actually outside the Church." That is why I prefer the older formulations, especially from the Council of Florence and Unam Sanctum. Straight to the point and unmistakable in their meaning. To be clear, God can join anyone to the Church as it pleases Him to do so. But does He do that? I am not aware of any Tradition or Teaching that reveals He does so, only formulations that say such a thing is possible. I pray for family and friends who were outside the Church and who have died. I hope even without divine assurance.
No one can ever prove “non-Baptism.” For every speculative scenario presented as appropriate for “Baptism of Desire” (which includes Baptism of Blood) I am free to believe that the person was actually baptized with water.
The Church still professes and teaches Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus but it doesn't mean - and never has meant - that all those who have never stepped foot in a brick and mortar building owned by the visible institution known as the Catholic Church are outside the Church like some ignorant, lazy and theologically illiterate people think it means. No salvation outside the Church means no salvation outside the Mystical Body of Christ, which is the Church, NOT the physical buildings and visible instituion with its churches, schools, hospitals and visible heirarchy. To be a living member of the Church means that your soul is in a state of sanctifying grace and participating in the divine nature. The Church is both visible and invisible, physical and metaphysical. It has a soul and a body, just as Christ had a soul and a body. It's possible to be united to the soul (the invisible aspect) of the Church and thus be Catholic without ever having stepped foot in a Catholic Church (a physical aspect) or having met any Catholics (another physical aspect) or having become a formal card carrying member of the visible instituion known as the Roman Catholic Church (another physical aspect). Here's how to prove it, so even the most uneducated and those who lack the mental capacity to entertain abstract concepts can understand. The Council of Florence defined as a dogma that anyone can perform a valid baptism, even heretics and pagans. If a baby is validly baptised into a heretical sect, say Anglicanism for instance, that baby is regenerated, born-again, justified and united to the Mystical Body of Christ, which is the Church, because babies are incapable of committing formal heresy so there's no impediment to the reception of sacramental grace on their part to prevent the union. Now fast-forward 12 years. That same baby is now an adolescent and has yet to commit a mortal sin. One day, while walking home from school, the child is hit by a car and dies. Does that child go to heaven? According to Catholic principles, yes. But not according to the deceived and theologically illiterate who think that no salvation outside the Church means no salvation outside the physical buildings of the Catholic Church. According to Catholic teaching, the boy was born-again through his baptism, in which the redemptive benefits of Christ's passion and death were applied to him and he was united to the soul of the Church, which is the Mystical Body. So while he was externally or outwardly Anglican by all appearances, he was inwardly Catholic in his soul and a member of the one true Church, even if he or his parents didn't realise it and even if he had never stepped foot in a Catholic Chruch. That proves that the Catholic Church is wider and larger than just the visible institution. Understand now??? Is it beginning to make sense??? Is it sinking in yet??
@@lukebrasting5108 Sounds like you are proposing the heresy of an invisible church. I must be misunderstanding you.
“The Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that all those who are outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans but also Jews or heretics and schismatics, cannot share in eternal life and will go into the everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless they are joined to the Church before the end of their lives; that the unity of this ecclesiastical body is of such importance that only for those who abide in it do the Church’s sacraments contribute to salvation and do fasts, almsgiving and other works of piety and practices of the Christian militia produce eternal rewards; and that nobody can be saved, no matter how much he has given away in alms and even if he has shed blood in the name of Christ, unless he has persevered in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church.”
~ Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, “Cantate Domino,” 1441, ex cathedra
And yet, this is not staunch, meaning that unless you are physically in the Catholic Church, you are going to hell. The Council itself contradicts that as does the unanimous consent of the church Fathers and the Church itself. There is baptism of blood, desire, and exceptions to the rule. These exceptions were eleven taught by popes and Church fathers long before moder day, back to the early church. This Council is always quoted out of context and not with the mind of the Church, hence why Fr. Feeney was excommunicated for holding to literally and staunchly to this.
The Church talks about the possibility of being a member of the Church theough implicit faith and desire. Even the Council of Trent, Robert Bellermine, and pretty much everyonr, talks about others being connected to the Church and baptism of desire.
@@CatholicTruthOfficialthe words are very clear. It’s interesting that by simply quoting a council you immediately accuse me of being a feeneyite and explain why it’s wrong. Feeney was “excommunicated” for disobedience (he didn’t go to Rome when summoned to do so) not heresy. Btw, Are you saying the Council of Florence contradicts itself? Citation needed
Protestant say the same thing when they quote scripture. They say that scripture is clear. And yet they misunderstand it and don't read it within the mind of the church. You're taking this out of context to and going against the Catholic church and doing so. Father Feeney did this and got excommunicated. The reason he got called to Rome in the first place among other heresies, like saying infants go straight to hell if they weren't baptized, was also his personal interpretation of this Doctrine which both the popes and the church made clear. The pope wrote a long rebuttal against father Feeney against this doctrine. So you're holding to an excommunicated interpretation that contradicts the church. We never called you a feenyite, but that you seem to be holding to a strict interpretation of this like he did.
Anybody can say anything is clear based on their own personal interpretation and understanding, but all of that's completely 100% irrelevant committed to the church's understanding and teaching on it.
@@bassbasketball03 It is correct but your understanding is incorrrect. Yes, pagans, prots and other non-catholics can't be saved but there are exceptions to the rule. Even the Bible affirms this.
"All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. 13 For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. 14 (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.) 16 This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares." - Romans 2:12-16
@@bassbasketball03 Even St. Paul did not dare judge them or consider those outside the Church lost.
"What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked person from among you.” - 1 Cor 5:12-13
So this is a Catholic cult?
Feeneyism is, yes. And that particular order of Benedictine sisters.
All Freemasonry is a cult freemason's have males only then there's females cults too it's highly cult big time ......
Yes, those who think they know and understand the Deposit of Faith more than the Pope and are dissenters belong to a cult.
They are those who oppose and reject Second Vatican Council, V2 Popes esp Pope Francis, NO Mass etc.
They are those who oppose and reject Second Vatican Council, V2 popes, NO Mass etc.
They are those who oppose and reject
Second Vatican Council, V2 popes, NO Mass etc.
V2, V2 Popes, NO Mass etc.
THIS is radtradism
No, families shutting themselves up behind a fence away from everyone & everything is not "traditional".
@@Vexx_Line_ We agree.
Proof that YOUR God doesn't exist.
You say that only ONE Purely Actual being can exist because if there were more, one would lack what the other has.
Jesus and the Holy Spirit are 2 additional Purely Actual beings.
Therefore, YOUR God, as defined, does not exist. QED
I don't think you're taking time to understand what we believe, but thanks for the comment. The Holy Spirit is God, and so it's not a separate all-powerful being.
@CatholicTruthOfficial So the group formed by Yahweh, Jesus, and Spirit is ONE being, right? Logically, Yahweh as an individual, is LESS powerful than the group combined, right?
Or is this a mystery?
@@goodquestion7915 Have you read the Athanasian Creed? It is a mystery indeed; we cannot define God.
@andrewchabot8290 in Catholicism, a mystery is the point where one dogma contradicts other dogmas. A Catholic mystery is a "command" to the customers (tithe givers) to stop thinking. Otherwise, they'd realize the Church is full of BS in many places, and horror of horrors, tithes could stop.
The Catholic Church hasn’t fully settled what happens to an unbaptized baby.
The Traditional teaching of the fathers is that they go to a place called limbo. Some fathers disputed particulars about whether or not they suffer.
It is important to understand that traditionally “Hell” contained more than what our modern idea of hell is. For example the limbo of the fathers was in Hell though it was a place of perfect natural beatitude and there was no suffering.
Read Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma by Ludwig
But it was established that they don't go to hell. Absolutely. He was called out and corrected directly by popes on that exact point, and yet, he continued to try to teach that nonetheless.
As I stated, the way we define Hell as only some fiery place of torture is not the same as the way the fathers defined Hell.
He didn’t declare them to be in heaven explicitly did he?
@@alyciaoswald9776
It was said to be a place of happiness & bliss. .. Also, anyone can preform an emergency baptism in the case of grave emergency or possibility of death.
“He was called out and corrected by Popes… and yet he continued to try to teach that regardless.”
No, Brian. This is just factually inaccurate. You should research more before you make videos and comments like these.
@@andrewchabot8290 No, my comment is factually based. You don’t know what You are writing about.
Read the Summa question 69 on the 4 levels of Hell.
Babies go to limbo a place of perfect natural beatitude without any pain.