New Motorcycle Break In TIPS | My New Suzuki GSXS1000 GX Collected
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- Опубліковано 2 гру 2024
- Buying a new motorcycle is extremely exciting but one of the downsides is the running in or break in period. There are a lot of different ideas about how this should be done, but here are my tips and tricks.
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You could bring some data into the mix on this subject. With the hyper being a new build. When you change the oil, send it off for analysis. Millers offer the service in the uk. It's £40 though. That way you could see if changing at 100, then again at 600 miles makes any odds in the metal content test results.
Great idea! 👍
John T Young was doing that with his Honda CRF450L,because Honda gave it ridiculous schedule, 800miles,or something? Ended up,with analysis, he could get away with a few thousand between oil changes!
With mine I followed good sense like other commenters have said, like: "Don't rag it. Don't baby it. Don't let it labour." but I also followed the owner manual: < 5500 rpm the first 1000km, and then < 7500 rpm until 1600km. With Suzuki at least, there is still a prep oil in the bike meant to be replaced at roughly 1000km.
Modern engines are so well engineered now that in most peoples case, it’s just riding normally. Not thrashing or lugging. Doesn’t do any harm to use revs or throttle a bit, as you say. The heat cycle thing you detail well is really key. Let them do town stuff, motorway stuff as well as back road stuff. We’re lucky these days with modern tech, let’s enjoy it! 👍👍
Thrashing them does risk snapping a ring if done too much too early, or as Chopsy said it can reduce the mileage the engine will do long term before they need replacing. Not sitting at a constant rpm is pretty key too, but I don't think engines have changed massively in the past 20+ years in regards to reliability overall.
@@HalfdeadRider bikes that are ran in a bit more spirited often make more power on the dyno than one that’s been babied for the first 1500 miles of its life as well
@@DucatiDale I've obviously heard peoplr say that as in the vid, but not seen proof as such, one engine can produce more power than another anyway. Babying it isnt tue way, you have to use the engine rpms up to a point and vary them, and going over the 6k mark occasionally won't hurt it. Also as Chopsy said even if it is true, I'd rather know my engine will be most reliable of the two.
Everyone has their own "expert" opinion 😂😂😂
My dealer and mechanic both said to just ride it. And was told to put a bit of load on the engine. 4000km's now and runs like a dream.
I agree with you choppsie in my opinion if you run them in properly they also feel smother and I don't mean treat it like a baby, some people say there bmw use oil but it never uses a drop, so yes I agree.
I'm getting one for my second bike tomorrow! I'm so excited.
Collecting my 2024 Trident 660 Tuesday coming and never bought a brand new bike before so a pretty relevant and well timed video 👍🏻
Triumphs running in procedure is one of the worst I’d ignore it almost completely 😂
@@DucatiDalemost definitely. When I had a 675 Daytona the mechanic said to give it a proper thrash after picking it up after the first service.
@@cport955 sure it’s printed on the tank or whatever it’s like so many miles at 1500/2000rpm then 2000-2500 so on so forth has old men scared to death if they accidentally rev to 3000 in the first 600 mile
@@DucatiDale It gets them out of any warranty claims. They can check the data and if you haven't complied to the run in rules it's void.
@@mrcintheuk4641 first I’ve heard had plenty go in for work after not following run in procedure but generally triumph engines are sound it’s switch gear electrics etc that normally have issues
Don't rag it. Don't baby it. Don't let it labour. Simples.
Do rag it. You want to keep the engine under as much load as possible, for as long as possible, for the first few hundred miles.
I ran my new GSA1250 by going to Lands End for the day. 500 mile round trip on a good mixture of roads just avoiding the A303!! Have fun with the GSX John.
Did something similar on my 2023 MT-10, except it was from Los Angeles to San Francisco.
Hopefully along the coast@@thepassionofthegoose5472
@@Roger_Ramjet Mostly. HWY 1 has been closed between SLO and Monterey for a minute because of mud slides. I did 101 for a majority of the trip until Santa Cruz, and then turned west to finish up One. Cheers.
The last engine that I thought about in terms of the running-in procedure was a Buell Ulysses. I simply ran it semi-vigorously for 50 miles, then changed the oil and filter. At zero miles, I warmed it up thoroughly and set off and used about three-quarters of the rev range, never lugging it - hard to do anyway with an XB12X - never holding the throttle 3/4 open for long. Open the throttle, shut it, open it, shut it etc. After the oil and filter change, I ran it normally but didn't red line it. First dealer service was at 1,000 miles. Those bikes have great engines.
I love the Uly!!!
@@Roger_Ramjet I would much rather have it than this Suzuki. Far more low-end/mid-range grunt. 80 MPH at 4,000 RPM in top gear. Lovely low-revving feel about it.
@@1990-t1j. I'm currently looking at an immaculate 2010 XB12 Ss in hero blue to add to the garage. I think I need to stop dithering and just buy it.
@@motosnape Buy it!
Surely you don't need to change the oil after 100 miles as that's the idea of the oil filter, to collect the particles in the oil.
The RD350 was a two stroke, so it used fresh oil all the time!
You're a tolerant rider John.
There's a helpful habit that most of us need to adopt. 👍
Love a Calimoto back lane adventure! 95% of my riding is that, and just had my pogos properly set up yesterday. Lovely!
Nice one Chopsy. The argument about the best way to break in any combustion engine will last as long as we have them. I follow what is recommended by the manufacturers, and therefore don’t buy any demo bikes as you don’t know how they have been broken in. However, as mentioned, there are several tests done that don’t show any difference from riding it like you stole it so it might be simply down to a cheaper grade engine oil from factory.
Why change the oil early, the oil filter is there to catch any debris. I’m pretty sure the manufacturers know what they are doing and have gone through all the computations of running in. Plus you don’t want to give the manufacturer any excuse to try and get out of a warranty claim and you need to run in the suspension, tires and brakes.
The manufacturers know what they are
Doing to get u past warranty. That is all
As you say, loads of opinions. I largely mirror your view. Don’t labour it or work it under high/wide open throttle. I tend to use a lower gear than I would once run in so as to not labour but otherwise try to ride spiritedly. Breaks to cool every 50 miles are good for the heat cycling. I don’t tend to idle for any length as that can do more harm than good with piston glazing while running in. I can genuinely feel the engine freeing up. I’ve ran in about 10 new bikes and had no issues but we all do it our own way.
I had to take mine home from the dealer too. 85 miles. I stopped 3 times and varied the speed a lot. 4th 5th 6th gears.
On the new Triumph's you run them in a bit at a time, the rev counter red line increases the more miles you do. I think using fully synthetic oil from the start could be detrimental and won't allow the engine to bed in properly. I think manufacturers do use running in oil, but they don't say.
There is one common thread amongst advice on run-in, and that is whichever way you do it, engine damage is an extremely rare event. Conclusion - dont worry about it. A lot of demo bikes are loaned out at zero miles and most test riders will open up beyond run-in revs (where revs are not ecu restricted), and i have bought ex demo bikes with no issues. Maybe an issue back in 1970’s but the evidence suggests for modern bikes just ride it however you want. (Go easy on brakes and tyres for first 100 miles of course)
Interesting bike & timely vid Chops. I'm running in a Suzuki myself at the mo ironically & up to about 750 miles currently. I believe they use a different type of oil initially but not sure about the filter tbh. However, they obviously change both at 600 miles so highly possible. For my bike the next interval is 7500 miles or 12 months & I was surprised there was no 1000 mile service as I've experienced with previous new Suzuki's. Although, you're still supposed to only use up to 75% of the revs between 600 & 1000 miles. I essential follow the manufacturers guidelines for the fitst 600 miles & then ride it normally after that but I'm still not bouncing it off the redline every 5 mins or mistreating it. With all that said I'm not really sure how much running it in matters these days with modern engines as you say. Although, I definitely think it's good to have at least some mechanical sympathy with a new engine, but it's better to overuse than underuse it too. The golden rules I've always been told are to use all the revs you're supposed to, go up & down the box as much as you can, don't hold it at constant revs for long periods of time & don't load the engine too much by doing top gear roll ons etc from low speed.
I think it's pretty easy, just follow what's written in the user manual. Also, it's 1000 kms, that's nothing. I took delivery of my current bike on a Thursday, did the 1000 over the weekend following the guidelines from the manual and took it for the 1st service next Tuesday. Done, I don't get why some people try to make some rocket science type operation out of this.
Hope you love it Chopsy! I enjoyed it. A mode is FERAL. Mike really enjoyed touring on it too :)
Hi Kate, yes I'm loving it, was great around Cadwell 😀
Ive had 4 brand new bikes and the only one that used oil afterwards was the one that i stuck to the manufacturers recommendations, so after i rode a few thousand rpm above what they said and the last 3 bikes don't drink any oil at all 👍
Running-in has changed in the last 30 years, and how you run a bike in depends on when your bike was designed. To answer your question Chopsey: modern manufacture don't "run them in", they manufacture them to much finer tolerances (smoother) so it requires very little "running-in" and they are run up at the factory just to check the engine is OK for 30 seconds.
"Running-in oil" is only used for OLDER bikes that are not so finely finished from new. This type of oil is THINNER and designed to allow the parts to RUB, hence they are short lived interval. A modern oil will not allow your brand new 1956 BSA to run-in and form the ring\ barrel seal, in that scenario you would be looking for a "running in oil" because you need the parts to rub.
To answer the question "why should I run it in", the real answer is Warranty. The ECU knows if you did or did not follow the manual, and so during a Warranty claim it gives them a get-out-claim-free-card. And I know one M1000RR owner who found out the hard way with a blown motor, as BMW said, "we can see you didn't run it in- go away".
How strict do you think they are with it. I'm running mine in and I'm rarely careful but sometimes the thrill can get the better of me now and again
Excellent topic that is rarely talked about. Smart move getting a full on new bike. I personally would always follow manufacturer recommendations.
Getting mine in Dubai Black at beginning of July.
Hi chopsy I've been using 155 Dunlop Roadsmart 4 sp's on my gsxs 1000f for the last 20k miles, a great tyre in all conditions!
I bought a new Moto Guzzi v85tt a couple of years ago. The dealer took on a 6 mile check out ride before delivering the bike to me. When I received the bike with 6 miles on the clock I was giving the dash the once over when I came across the "max speed"...… 102mph. So much for easy break in. 12,000 miles later bike seems no worse for wear.
That just seems a bit abusive, that would've pissed me off.
I was concerned. I get the feeling every bike that leaves that shop gets similar treatment.
I've had mine, exactly the same colour for exactly 30 days yesterday. I've done 3047 miles in that time. Brilliant bike but I'm ready now to try better tyres. The tyre dealer doesn't recommend having a 55 profile tyre on it however. As for the screen, I've moved it to the highest position and added a spoiler to the top, works for me. Having experimented with the suspension I find it best in auto preload and Medium rebound, going too hard doesn't let the suspension do its thing in sorting out the bumps. Interested to see what you think after a few thousand miles 👍
I've fitted a 55 to mine now so will let you know how it feels shortly 👍
I completely agree with the 100/150 mile initial oil change theory Chopsy.
It’s something I’ve done for many, many years.
I too believe that the most ‘debris’ is generated in those first few miles.
The first oil change on my most recent new bike really highlighted how discoloured the factory oil gets in that time too.
What I drained out had a very noticeable metallic ‘sheen’ to it, with tiny bits of silicone sealant also present !
Rightly or wrongly, it’s at this point that I drain and refill with fully synthetic, and it’s always worked for me.
If Porsche are happy to factory fill their engines with fully synthetic, then I’m very comfortable with my subtle variation.
Looking forward to more videos on the Suzuki 👌
But porsche don't make motorcycles?
Really interesting what you said about the ride height and the advantage of the back tire profile. I never thought of that before for my gsxs1000. Cheers.
Maybe dropping the forks 5/10mm before putting a 55 profile tyre might be worth a try to get a quicker turn in. The different profile might mess with the TC or something & it would be wasted cash. Unless you could use it on another bike I suppose.
Always enjoy your reviews and many of the topics you bring up so thanks again and safe travels.
While I understand the urge to want to take good care of the engine of our beloved investments I'd suggest it's probably best to have a look at the quality of the oil filtration system on your particular bike.
Some have very high quality filters and others are very basic. The really basic systems might benefit from an early oil dump but it's doubtful the that the better quality systems need to be !
Having said all that I'll often halve the oil change intervals once we're run in with a few thou' on the clock on the principal that oil and filters are cheap insurance for engine longevity if you are in the habit of keeping your bikes for longish periods of ownership.
Nice bike , love Suzuki engines! Bulletproof! But still best to stick with manufactures running in guidelines! 👊
One of the first things that should be stated about "running in" is an admission that the very need for a run in is very much in doubt.
Maybe one factor with the the running-in of an engine is not anything to do with how the engine is treated once it's made but the tolerances to which it was built. The running in process is just ensuring that friction parts are given the chance to bed in just in case their tolerances are sub-optimal. Which I guess is why, with modern manufacturing standards, it's nowhere near as critical as it once was.
I’m on the side of running the bike in semi aggressively by running the rpm up and down. I’ve heard rumors that the factory now run the motors in on a dyno before the customer gets the bike. It would be nice to know if this is true or somebody from the factory could confirm this. It make sense I mean they don’t put run in oil in them anymore. I believe we get them right from the dealer with synthetic.
Great video,good to meet you at suzuki live today-Rob,you were looking good out there today,some good wheelies of the mou tain too 👍🏁
Thanks very much Rob 👍
My best mate had a new Gixxer 750 and was gentle for about a mile then wheelied past a speed camera and it was flatout from there! It went on a Dyno and it made the most power they had seen for a 750 they were convinced it was tuned 🤣🤣🔥🔥
Other reviews mention the seat, footpads are quite buzzy. The handlebars somewhat. Did that not happen with you? I also noticed the wind noise picked up considerably when you got up to higher speeds. I look forward to you unpacking all of this as you continue to log miles.
Perfect mate, as this could very well be my next bike. Getting feed up with the expense and character foibles of European bikes
My bike is just starting to free up at 6000 K.... So i would say that the running in period is up to around 6000 mils.... 10,000 k
Same! My bike is really flying at the moment. 5700 miles.
Its all about heat cycles and not breaking engine components, longevity slow run in, and little to no run in for minimal gains in hp risking longevity or breakages 😢 all depends how you normally ride and how long you keep your bike😅 i personally half every thing and after run in fit k&n/ not sprint ! And full exhaust system and ecu flash for more power, i woud use sprint race filter on a track bike though 😊
Great to see you today at Cadwell mate, enjoy the GX. Took the coast road back home, over the Humber bridge (awesome) Brid, Scarborough, Whitby, was bloody epic! My 'busa is finally being run in at 4000 miles after it was unused by previous owner for 9 years poor thing. Getting better and better now. 👍👍
Great to meet you buddy 👍
Looking forward to these reviews .. a couple of things that the forums are mentioning are engine rattle after 1st service on these engines and what is real mpg . What the quality of paint finish, any corrosion over the long term . Real world information that someone buying one of these and keeping for a few years would need . I forgot , rider and passenger comfort for distance riding which I do. A long list I have given you to review over the term.thanks lambchops
Check out tmf review this bike isn’t very good at all and he echos most of my points from riding it bar a couple honestly for the money it’s well off the mark
@@DucatiDaleLol
Yes I do not agree with Andy on this one.. was very surprised when I watched his review
@@LambChopRides suppose he’s one of the last honest ones from my view people don’t want to bite the hand that feeds them most of the time he’s very impartial and it’s a breath of fresh air tbh him and big rock moto in America are pretty much the only people I see pick fault nowadays instead of 20-30 minute videos of singing praise of any bike they sit on
Really interested in what you think about this, this looks like a great replacement for my harley-davidson in a couple years
When I got my Street Triple, they said it had a running in oil in it, but didn't think to ask what it was
I bought a 22 Tiger 900 GT Pro and it absolutely had break in oil. It looked like a coolant leak. A bit opaque
I remember running in my 2004 KTM 625 SMC not smooth running in not much smoother when run in 😂 👍
I just follow maker's instruction. Be interested to know what tyres you'd go for; I have a GSXS1000 and tyres are due very shortly
Hey chops, have you ever had any issues in using your phone on the bike. See lots of posts and vids about issues posted about phone and vibes destroying a phone. I'm using my cheap smartwatch strapped to my bars instead of my phone for sat nav. Looks like a beeline set up ect. Am I being too cautious, and a phone is OK to use, enjoy the new bike looks very nice.
I’ve ruined my I phone on my Ducati panigale. I can’t take videos now cause the stabilisation is knackered.. I’ve bought the anti vibration quad lock attachment. Will fit when I change my phone
and the tyres need some running in too. What is on the bike and what do you think you will eventually get? I use Metzeler Roadtes 01 SE as all year/all weather tyre on the XR. (And Michelin Road 6 GT on the K1300GT)
I did get to run in the K1300 gt as it had only 15000 miles in 14 years and stood for 2 years. And i changed the Bridgestones as they were 6 years old.
I'm on 400 miles on my 2024 gsxs1000 and I cannot wait to open her up properly.
Nice video mate.. I enjoy watching you, you have a style all of your own. I’m interested to see, how it compares to the new S X.R. Top job. 👍🏻
Thanks Ben 👍
I will get this bike when they put the 200hp gsxr engine in it , great machine .
Nice one Chopsy , just a bit of mechanical sympathy on new bikes like your doing here ,and I'm sure the bike will reward you in the coming years 👍 no wheelies etc 😮😁
I have had four new bikes and always followed the manufacturers run in instructions. The last two bikes I got 65 and 70,000km trouble free out of them before trading. Wonder if the people saying ride it like you stole it can say the same thing or if they only ride 1,000k’s a year?
This, the S1000GT, the Z1000SX or any similar bike would be in my preferred one bike garage. My issue though is the regular inline 4 is a tad generic and a bit boring. They do everything really well but ultimately lack the sole and character I want from my motorcycle.
I don't think a 150hp inline 4 can be described as boring. It's just more refined than something like a 1200 twin. But having owned a SD 1290R, I wouldn't want to put up with that engine every day tbh.
So much no - my Suzuki 750 is a smooth bag of very angry bees. These engines are animals - unless you potter below 6k - then they're pussy cats. but don't do that.
@@anxiousappliance I had a k5 750 with Micron, Power Commander and Nitron suspension upgrades. Phenomenal track bike but wants to be ridden like you're racing all the time. Very limited character. Not the street bike I want.
It's a great bike, as all Suzuki's are, but would I trade my GSX-S1000F, which only has 4,000klms on it, in on one. It's going to take a lot of convincing for me to even consider doing so.
Wheelies up the mountain pretty well 😂
Haha indeed it does 😁👍
What’s that jacket you’re wearing please ? I’m after something a bit more ‘heat’ friendly.
It's the Knox Honister, link in the vid description 👍
I generally just follow the manufacturer's recommendations regarding break in. Any flaws in that logic?
It's normally the gear box running in ,the bores 100 200 miles etc just saying 😊
use dino oil for few 1000s miles too,,
Ride it as normal just don’t ping it off the limiter use 95% of the rev range none of this 2000rpm for a 100 miles shite and no lugging in high gears from low down and you’re golden once the first oil change is done have at it
The best way to run in an engine is what the manufacturer recommends 🤷🏼♂️simple really enjoy the great weather in uk guys ☀️😎
Ahem, didn't you hear we had the "warmest" Spring since forever?
@@carleddison7479 do I detect a hint of sarcasm 🌞🤪
Especially for the vaxed
@@richardwoodhouse8397 🤷🏼♂️what?
When I bought my s1000r the salesman said that I could rev it up to 9k during the running in. I told him not a chance of that happening.
Being Mr Cynical, I would be concerned that any engine warranty work would be void when they check the data and discover you haven't run-in the engine to their specifications.
its weird how these videos come about.picking up a new triumph tiger 900 on the weekend and havent run a bike in since 2008!😂
Enjoy it! 👍
Any luck with the helmet city code? Still trying HCLCR24 but it's not taking the discount off. Trying to buy a shoei helmet. Thanks
Is it already discounted? If not I will let them know 👍
No they are not already discounted
All want is GSX-S1000 with this dash and cruise control. But Suzuki will probably spend another 10 years to get that update 🙈
I ride these roads on a regular basis on that Suzuki grandad GSX 1250 FA 😅
Great bike, loved mine
Why don't you try a android auto carplay unit ?
I thought the advice was not to let a motor warm up stationary?
A lot of the bikes on PCP are ragged to bits from new as the guys have no intention of keeping them long term.
Think I'll follow the manufacturer's instructions rather than the opinions of randos on the net.
compare ninja 1000sx ???
heat cycles is key hot cold hot cold rev then let go rev let go
I think a lot of the ‘myths’ are based on much older bikes. Modern bikes just need to be ridden without lugging or thrashing when running in
Don't full throttle it 4 the first 300 miles and your be fine
Running in, just ride sensibly
I wonder why you don't run in car's any more is that because they don't want them to last.
Yes but also cars tend to do the speed limits wich is basically running in forever😅
Kinda surprised - After 600, give her the beans. LOL
Why does TMF think the seat pushes ya family jewels into the tank?
I've not noticed this... but I'm taller so perhaps that makes a difference... 🤷♂️
Perfect timing, Chops. Im soon to pick up a Duke 890r brand new. I've never had a new bike before. So i have many questions and theories about the run-in.
I also would like to know what oil the manufacturers use from the factory.
I was thinking to use a mineral oil at 300 miles and then fully synthetic At 600. Then another at 1200. After that. I will change oil every 2000 miles. I know that sounds excessive. I've always chamged the oil very early in my bikes, and they've all been good to me. I've never had any major issues with any of my bikes.
Does anyone know what the oil viscosity for the 890r is there is europe. I live in a hot tropical country. I think the oil viscosity will be different here. 👍
Just use recommended oil my yam uses semi if you put fully in it makes the clutch slip
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And I thought all you guys went to launches with a credit card, toothbrush and an expense account!
God damn riding in the UK sucks ass compared to the USA.
Ride it like you stole it within reason. 😂