u can't imagine how happy i am to see this bike with auto transmission. i lost my left leg in a motorcycle accident and this bike is heaven for me! thank you for the review!
I had the VFR1200 DCT I sent the ecu to Don Ghul and it came back a superbike beater and good for 170 mph, I put flat bars on it. I suggest you try one of those, a tad heavy, but cheaper than the yam , auto or full manual on paddle shift, with sports mode
I test rode one today and I loved it, rode it in automatic and manual, it works very well, the auto is amazing when navigating through the city, so easy and lets you concentrate more on where you are going. There are a number of advantages to using the auto in certain situations. Don't knock it till you try it! I'm buying one.
I've been riding since 1966, and have had to sell my MT09SP for a Honda NC750X DCT, because of a , hopefully temporary, foot disability. I have had absolutely no problem in adapting to the use of the gearbox, in auto, or manual. If the Yanmaha system is anything like as good as the DCT, then it will be brilliant, and 40kg less than the NC!!
I'm am an experienced rider with a MT09SP. As I don't do town riding, I don't require this set up. If however I was a new rider, or used the bike in traffic, this would be a excellent solution. This system might open the market up to a whole new segment of riders for Yamaha while still appealling to the current ones. I think Yamaha has done really well.
Nice work John - but I'm with you, the loss of a clutch lever may be a step too far - I think Honda have this right with their system, auto if you want it or use a clutch and a gear lever if you want too... (and what do you mean DCT is on "fuddy duddy" bikes!!! How dare you!!!).......
I agree with Andy, the Honda solution looks a bit more elegant. I wouldn't have a problem with an autobox on a bike, though the MT09 seems an odd choice. The Tracer or the Niken would seem a more obvious bike but maybe they want to highlight how well it works on more performance oriented bikes? My current car has a ZF 8 speed auto in it and its that good that I wonder why anyone would want to fart around shuffling gears.
I feel like it's great that Yamaha and Honda did it differently! If one has issues with their left hand, they can go for the Honda, and if someone has issues with their left foot, the Yamaha would be the way to go... This is a win-win for riders!
Nah, both DCT or Automatic Transmission invented before AMT (Automated Manual). DCT relies on dual clutch and Automatic rellies on Torque converter for smoothness shifting. AMT rellies on Smart and Good Transmission Control Unit.
About time Yamaha offered this option, think of all those older bikers like myself who struggle with previous injuries from the 80's/90's and find it difficult either clutching in or changing gear by foot, I myself wear a raised boot to compensate for bone loss in my lefty and have ridden and owned the 2023 DCT Wing and the DCT NT1100, both of which I found too heavy eventually, then I bought a new XSR900 which I loved being so light but when I got off it I couldn't walk as I had to wear a normal boot, I ended up giving it to my stepson earlier this year, now Yamaha have addressed it I'll be looking at auto model.
One less thing to think about but one more thing to go wrong. I've had two DCT Goldwings and while they have there place I've just bought a 24 Africa Twin in the manual and the fun is back in motorcyling for me. I wish engineers wouldn't try fixing what isn't broken all the time. Those roads in spain are amazing btw.
I think it’s a fantastic addition to motorcycling and will make the hobby (and commuter option) a lot more attainable to the average buyer. I’m lucky enough to have a Diavel V4 manual for fun and an auto TMAX for the work stuff but I’d seriously consider this as my “fun commuter”. I wouldn’t recommend a manual MT09 to the wife but I would this. Makes you stop to think. Well done Yamaha, we love you 🫶 And Chopsy of course 😊
yep old school here aswell buddy but anything to make riding easier and smoother lets all be honest how often have f-cked up a gear change or fluffing about trying to get neutral, yep amt 4me thanks!!
Think it needs to be referred to as an automated manual, it’s not an automatic like people keep saying, it’s more like an SMG box in a bmw or s-tronic in Audi! Personally think it’s a great idea, I’m not bothered about wheelies as would probably fall off! Be good to see it used in anger on a track though to prove the system! Great review chops!👍
I’ve got an H2SXSE and love the thing, especially after having it remapped👌🏽… But I do European two up touring and decided to get a VFR1200X DCT! I’ve had it about a year and can honestly say it’s bloody brilliant, comfy, relaxing when and if you want it to be! Engaging to ride out of the auto mode, in the fully auto mode it changes up like a mini metro auto🤢🫣but in manual mode, it’s brilliant. Obviously it’s not the same as the Yam system, but it’s very similar and you know what, it’s superb for long distance trips and touring! H2 for sunny days out, DCT for the big hauls, what’s not to like👍🏽
I’ve rode an Africa twin 1100 dct, and it sucked honestly. It just felt like a toy it felt too easy. As an optional feature for disabled people, sure it’s good. NOT as a main transmission tho who wouldn’t want to ride a motorcycle 😂
@@Samuel10463 yes? That’s what I was saying for “old” or disabled people, a motorcycle that doesn’t require you to do anything w the left side of your body could be good. 👌 So it SHOULD be offered as an option, just not as a main transmission option.
@@Soeks77 Yes, you've already said that. That's why I responded: you're wrong. Manual clutch going in same direction as cars' went... And it's a great thing. BTW, Honda's E-clutch is a great transitional tool, it let you slowly adopt to no clutch lever operations. And once you got taste of it, you jump to a full auto next. It's a good thing.
@@Samuel10463 I personally very much dislike automatic transmissions in general. Why? Well one reason is when you give full throttle, there is a delay as the transmission has to downshift first before accelerating. Contrasting a standard transmission, where the driver can downshift and accelerate when ready, with no delay. Throttle input is instant in a manual transmission as there is no torque converter or centrifugal clutch mechanism which has to “slip” in order to power whatever drivetrain the vehicle in question utilizes. Most people are lazy however and want something easy and simple to drive, which is understandable sure. For a motorcycle tho, having to only twist a throttle to go, it’ll kill new motorcycle riders. If a new rider can’t operate a clutch or shift, they shouldn’t ride. It’ll lead them to get too comfortable, and overlook other basic skills like countersteering, body position, front and rear brake bias, and proper judgment on the street.
For me, it's crossing the divide of the ease not getting the left hand ache of clutch in clutch out 1st gear stop start in cities and having a proper bike for the open road. So, it's a scooter when you want to be on a scooter and a normal bike outside cities... which will make it a good commuter.
@@Soeks77 Believe me, I'm the filter master! I was thinking central London... so many red lights. Used to commute on a Yamaha FZR 1000. There were times I would have done anything to be on a scooter. Thanks for replying
@@clownworld-honk410 true scooters can just slip onto the sidewalk, when I ride in the city or urban areas I just use red lights as stop signs and go whenever I feel is safe to do so.
I like it better than I thought I would. I could see a foot shifter as a extra shift function. It would relieve old school riders. My favorite is how fast the shift is wow. Like my Sim rig.
Hey John, looks very similar to the Power Shifter that we had fitted to Alex’s bike when he ruined his leg. That was surprisingly easy to get used to so I’m sure this system is the same. Absolutely ideal for those that need or want it 👍
Having had a stroke 2 yrs at 50yrs old, thats left me with a weak left hand and a friggin numb left foot, i can see the benefit of a option on a bike like this... Yet i can still rag my ninja1000sx about safely at tho mo !
I firmly believe someone will sell kits to add a clutch to these bikes. I would LOVE an automatic for daily driving and commuting. But sometimes you just gotta clutch it up and have some fun.
I have a HONDA NC750 DCT and always use the DCT in manual mode, so basically the same but with the 2nd clutch. The Tracer 9 is getting this gearbox and I think it's going to be my next bike. It's going to be brilliant for commuting when filtering as there's no clutch to manage
Just another option really which is good especially for new riders, but would be worth waiting for the next generation of the system to see how it evolves
Automatic transmissions are going to be more and more common. Younger generations don’t want to mess with all of the tedious practice riders have to go through to learn and get used to using a manual transmissions.
good honest review its a bit like using a 1250 GS with luggage to commute through London traffic , You look the Dogs B0000cks But you cant filter and Hold the rest of us up sorry but i was stuck behind 2 GS riders this morning who kept Blocking the Filtering opportunities so i had to get that in there . Im happy with the clutch & gear lever set up. All the Best L.C
Aprilia mana 850 had also an automatic. I drove it and I can imagine some people could need it. Personally I have several motorbikes but never have I been thinking; "I want an automatic"
The fact it can be stalled indicates to a clutch lever is still required ( no wheelies to ) . Seems not to be completely developed yet . Not for me at the moment. Great video Chops 👍.
Interesting concept for some people but not for me,although this I might try just to see after 46 years on the road I could actually change my riding style 😂 Great video as always 👍
I concur Steve Having ridden all sorts of motorcycles over the last 50 years I'm not sure about how I would adapt to not having a clutch or foot shifter 🙄 However now suffering from arthritis in my left hand it might be worth a try.🤞
Yes. I was thinking the same. With the paddle shifter, which is much quicker than foot and utilizing the left clutch lever as the left hand brake lever would be excellent. Get everything off your feet. Much more efficient. Coming from a bicycling road racing background to now a road motorcycle rider, I can see the clear advantage of putting all controls on the handlebar. I have been saying this for some time, and the motorcycle industry (at least yanaha) is finally coming around.
@avarria5872 I think the motorcycle industry will come around on getting it all off the foot. If the paddle shifters get traction as they are in the sport car industry with better on board computer response, then it's a no-brainer to utilize the left hand as brake control. I would even switch the left hand brake control for the front brake and right hand brake for back. But again, I'm coming from a road bicycle racing background.
To make it even better, I don't see why they can't use electronic buttons instead of paddles. Just like electronic shifters in bicycling. LOL, funny we've come full circle, now the motorcycle industry can learn from the bicycle electronic shifting.
I’ve a knackered left ankle from skateboarding years ago so gear changes are a ‘thought’ out process This would really work for me. Plus it’s still got that naughty side to it.
I bought a pair of Alpinstar Tech 7 boots. They”re all plastic and it”s like riding in ski boots. Braking and downshifting are difficult but doable. Upshifting is difficult to the point where I don’t feel safe. Finger paddles would save the day!
The Yamaha FJR1300 18years ago had an ‘automatic’ version with no clutch lever. I owned one , very good until you were on slippery surface when you needed to feather the clutch.
Nice Chopsy , always said I'd never get an auto car !! now I have and will never go back 😁😁 be weird on the bike though !!! Had a chuckle when you mentioned the rain there 😁😁 as sitting today and it was dry and sunny here in old Scotland 👍👍 good stuff mate . Technology has certainly come on with the bikes , probs not for me but great stuff .👍
might have to see if the dealer has one in for me to borrow when i'm in for service. definitely looks like an interesting thing to play with. even moreso when the gen 2 comes along in the future and it addresses the IMU etc. a lot of possibilities
All autos are designed to short shift for economy reasons (except 1st gear), so they sacrifice smoothness by shifting a tad too early. If I was Yam I would apply a modes option that tweaks that decision making. Other than that, good job.
this is good for people with left leg problems but it is like a honda c50, c70, c90... if we are not careful we will end up with bikes with no controls, just a phone app to insert destination and rider and pillion are both passengers on fully automated bikes (probably electric)
I remember the Honda dream had a auto box by the clocks and pulling off on this would like a Honda c90 chicken chaser I mean without a manual clutch , the system may be more usable on the big touring bikes long distance
I think it has some merit on some bikes for some riders. They need to do something to attract new riders and this might be part of that. Us OGs can only support the industry for so long. Me I like a simple bike with a clutch and a gear change
there is a limit between convenience, ease of use and having full control. This crosses it. I'll stick to a refined QS with blipper and a clutch thank you very much.
This is the perfect bike for a back to back comparison. Y-AMT vs standard quickshifter. F1 worked out donkeys years ago that the flappy paddle gearbox was far quicker than foot clutch and stick so it's interesting to see how it compares to a normal bike. Are your hands quicker at changing gears or your feet?
So with the 1100 Africa twin the dct will hold the gear around corners and will change down on hill decent, you can see why the Honda dct system is so much more cost as no moving parts external to motor, I think you have to compare this to honda E clutch not dct
As long as it is an option and you can still get the same bikes with a clutch lever and a clutch, I am all good with it. I love technology, but I still much prefer shifting myself! Not interested in a crop of two wheel cars :( I am also good with Quick Shifters and Honda's E-Clutch as they both still allow manual, tradition shifting.
The tiny electric motors: I wonder if that's the only feasible method to do that, engineering-wise. No hydraulic avenues to consider or anything. It just seems weird to use tiny motors, even though they're clearly perfect for it. It'd take 2 months and I'd be fully used to it. I like it. I never even knew this was a thing.
Good review bud! It's a nice bike, and I commend the enginerding that went into it, just a pity they went and spoiled it by adding more useless fluff. If you want paddles buy a Nissan Altima. 😁 Hopefully this will remain an optional addon and they won't be forcing this on us in the near future. I swear riding a modern bike is getting closer to that XBox every day...
The paddle shifter, I think, has real promise, particularly for racing. No more foot position obstruction in the corners. And faster shifting. I would really go for the paddle shifter.
Once they release this as an option on the XSR900 I’m getting one and fitting stunt/GP style thumb actuated rear brake lever - going to be a hoot. Never plan on using automatic, but quick shifter with fingers yea please
It seems a few manufacturers are now deciding to go down this “auto” gearbox route. I’m sure it’s got nothing to do with getting us biking folk used to not changing gears manually, ready for when ‘electric only’ motorcycles will be your ONLY choice across all showrooms, in just five years time … No thanks - I’ll stick with a manual transmission and add the quick-shifter/blipper!
No self-respecting motorcyclists has only one bike. Honda’s DCT is impeccable (2022 Rebel 1100) 06 Goldwing satisfies the desire to shift when it arises. Also, don’t knock it till u try it!
Very interesting and great idea. My only problem is if it breaks or something happens rekon will cost ya a bomb to sort it. When i owned the 2021 MT09 it kept cutting out during rides. This happened to alot of these models. So once it went on the Diagnostics it was sorted. To do with an update on the ICU or something. Manufacturing problems. Will this be the same. How long will it last until it breaks down. Who knows. But it is the future of riding.
I have quick shifters on both my bikes and would have no issue if they also had an automatic clutch. I don't need the full auto function (but I can see it could have its place), so would effectively be left with a quick shifter with an auto clutch, so maybe that's an option that would be more palatable to more riders?
Pretty soon.... OLED screens will replace the reflection in the rearview mirrors. The seat release latch will be a bluetooth app on the phone. The horn button will be 3 levels deep in the screen menu. The motorcycle brakes will engage via sonar, laser, and radar sensing. The steering will be by servo motor and butt cheek pressure pads, sensitivity-adjustable via bluetooth app. And all the UA-cam influencers will be shouting "This tech is the future!"
If you're doing away with gear lever, why not get rid of rear brake pedal as well and have a rear brake lever on the handlebar? Which is what I think all electric bikes should do as standard.
As a person with 2 perfectly functioning legs and feet I wish they removed the clutch and just kept the shifter, but i understand why they chose this to be more approachable to all kinds of riders
No brand so far seems to get the full auto mode right. With the IMU, why not let the computer use the clutch to smooth things out? Using auto mode would be so useful when your just "going to work" or like you said "tired". I would like to know if you have ever been on a modern snowmobile? They are always in the correct "gear". Yamaha knows that because they have built 200HP sleds. Every ride is a track day !
I like that this bike is automatic, yet it's significantly lighter than the NC750X DCT. I love the gearbox on my NC750X DCT, but the thing is just too heavy. The only reason I bought it over the CB500X was the gearbox, though I do like the frunk, too. This seems like a much better product.
*I have a brilliant idea!* Why not adding, together with the autogear, 2 more wheels, a metal casing and seats for five passengers and their luggage! Airbags and AC too!!!!!!!!
Hello, how are you? Greetings from Brazil This video is great, you did very well riding this Yamaha with this new technology Please allow me to ask you a question, what is the model and engine capacity of this Yamaha? You have gained another subscriber to your UA-cam Channel Thanks for the video and any information!
Oh, ye poor wretch! Cursed with the vile contraption of devilish gears-a dual clutch, ye say? Two clutches? Bah! Twice the torment for half the satisfaction! I feel thy pain deep within my bones, for no sorcery or spell could undo the shame thou hast endured these long, miserable 288 full moons. Thy foot must have wept, to press down with purpose, only to be met with naught but confusion and treachery! Fear not, for thou art free now, and may the gears of destiny align more kindly in thine future travels.
With the way the automated clutch and shifting systems seem to be configured, it looks like they could still keep both of them manual too and use one or the other. I'd like to know why they didn't go that route and if they'd consider it in the future. 🤔 Would be cool to have all options on one bike.
I am honestly confused - why would anyone miss one of the most rewarding and pleasurable things to do with riding a full grown motorcycle, which is the gear changing? I mean, I can understand quick-shifter and auto-blipper for sporting/racing needs (even though I far prefer to do it all myself, the conventional classic way) but...... this? WHY???
Question is, how durable are the components? Until the clutch actuator screws up from wear and tear, you might juz launch yourselve to the moon on a green light. I've seen plenty vehicle frm cars to trucks that jerks wen moving off running on this tech
Horses for courses. I'm 67 and I've bought a new 750 Hornet opting not to have the quick shifter. I love the engagement of it all. However, I would only have an automatic car. Disability is naturally a different kettle of fish.
As someone with a knackered left ankle I like the look
Of this it opens up more exciting bikes to people with a left foot/leg disability
u can't imagine how happy i am to see this bike with auto transmission. i lost my left leg in a motorcycle accident and this bike is heaven for me! thank you for the review!
Now you have the opportunity to lose your right leg too. 🙂
Jk dude. 😂
NC 700 S - from 2012
you know moped exist right ?
I had the VFR1200 DCT I sent the ecu to Don Ghul and it came back a superbike beater and good for 170 mph, I put flat bars on it. I suggest you try one of those, a tad heavy, but cheaper than the yam , auto or full manual on paddle shift, with sports mode
🔥🔥🔥
I test rode one today and I loved it, rode it in automatic and manual, it works very well, the auto is amazing when navigating through the city, so easy and lets you concentrate more on where you are going. There are a number of advantages to using the auto in certain situations. Don't knock it till you try it! I'm buying one.
I've been riding since 1966, and have had to sell my MT09SP for a Honda NC750X DCT, because of a , hopefully temporary, foot disability. I have had absolutely no problem in adapting to the use of the gearbox, in auto, or manual. If the Yanmaha system is anything like as good as the DCT, then it will be brilliant, and 40kg less than the NC!!
I'm am an experienced rider with a MT09SP. As I don't do town riding, I don't require this set up. If however I was a new rider, or used the bike in traffic, this would be a excellent solution. This system might open the market up to a whole new segment of riders for Yamaha while still appealling to the current ones. I think Yamaha has done really well.
What new rider needs 120hp 😂
@@Soeks77 Bingo!!! 100+ hp bikes being marketed to people who cannot operate a clutch is a recipe for trouble.
There is a lot people don't need, but it seldom stops them.
@@MrBCRC it’s like they want to kill every new rider bro wth. If you can’t use a clutch, you shouldn’t be riding.
Nice work John - but I'm with you, the loss of a clutch lever may be a step too far - I think Honda have this right with their system, auto if you want it or use a clutch and a gear lever if you want too... (and what do you mean DCT is on "fuddy duddy" bikes!!! How dare you!!!).......
🤣
Haha thanks Andy, and you know it's true 😄 xx
@@LambChopRidesI was going to ask do you think Honda s e-clutch is better?
I agree with Andy, the Honda solution looks a bit more elegant. I wouldn't have a problem with an autobox on a bike, though the MT09 seems an odd choice. The Tracer or the Niken would seem a more obvious bike but maybe they want to highlight how well it works on more performance oriented bikes? My current car has a ZF 8 speed auto in it and its that good that I wonder why anyone would want to fart around shuffling gears.
I feel like it's great that Yamaha and Honda did it differently! If one has issues with their left hand, they can go for the Honda, and if someone has issues with their left foot, the Yamaha would be the way to go... This is a win-win for riders!
Things are changing I like the idea of it great honest review chops keep up the great vids
The future already arrived over 10 years ago with Honda's superb DCT
Nah, both DCT or Automatic Transmission invented before AMT (Automated Manual). DCT relies on dual clutch and Automatic rellies on Torque converter for smoothness shifting. AMT rellies on Smart and Good Transmission Control Unit.
@@yusuffirdaus3900 My DCT VFR1200 was amazing
About time Yamaha offered this option, think of all those older bikers like myself who struggle with previous injuries from the 80's/90's and find it difficult either clutching in or changing gear by foot, I myself wear a raised boot to compensate for bone loss in my lefty and have ridden and owned the 2023 DCT Wing and the DCT NT1100, both of which I found too heavy eventually, then I bought a new XSR900 which I loved being so light but when I got off it I couldn't walk as I had to wear a normal boot, I ended up giving it to my stepson earlier this year, now Yamaha have addressed it I'll be looking at auto model.
One less thing to think about but one more thing to go wrong. I've had two DCT Goldwings and while they have there place I've just bought a 24 Africa Twin in the manual and the fun is back in motorcyling for me. I wish engineers wouldn't try fixing what isn't broken all the time. Those roads in spain are amazing btw.
I'm the opposite. Tired of shifting through gears in city. So just bought a dct Africa Twin.
Tried DCT on 3 or 4 Honda models... best was the Africa Twin!
Top video mate! Great to share the road with you that day, what a launch.
Thanks Alex it was awesome wasn't it 👌👌 what a nice day 😀
after so many years dct, e-clutch, y-amt, asa....v...v everything makes motorbikes more wonderful!
I think it’s a fantastic addition to motorcycling and will make the hobby (and commuter option) a lot more attainable to the average buyer. I’m lucky enough to have a Diavel V4 manual for fun and an auto TMAX for the work stuff but I’d seriously consider this as my “fun commuter”. I wouldn’t recommend a manual MT09 to the wife but I would this. Makes you stop to think. Well done Yamaha, we love you 🫶 And Chopsy of course 😊
Yes because the hard part of riding a MT09 is changing gears. Genius.
@@valebliz exactly ;)
I have a sense that motorbike controls are merging towards mountain bikes. Next, you'll have the rear brake up where the clutch lever used to be....
Surprised this hasn't been done already to be honest.
I can see the appeal.
@@Icem4n84 It has, Honda’s DCT system is virtually the same in principle…
@@skts2610but Honda has a dual cluth and is heavier...
Yamaha did it 18 years ago with the FJR1300, which did not sell well and was dropped.
yep old school here aswell buddy but anything to make riding easier and smoother lets all be honest how often have f-cked up a gear change or fluffing about trying to get neutral, yep amt 4me thanks!!
A redundant foot control switch with the same functionality as the paddle would be a nice addition.
Think it needs to be referred to as an automated manual, it’s not an automatic like people keep saying, it’s more like an SMG box in a bmw or s-tronic in Audi!
Personally think it’s a great idea, I’m not bothered about wheelies as would probably fall off! Be good to see it used in anger on a track though to prove the system!
Great review chops!👍
I’ve got an H2SXSE and love the thing, especially after having it remapped👌🏽… But I do European two up touring and decided to get a VFR1200X DCT! I’ve had it about a year and can honestly say it’s bloody brilliant, comfy, relaxing when and if you want it to be! Engaging to ride out of the auto mode, in the fully auto mode it changes up like a mini metro auto🤢🫣but in manual mode, it’s brilliant. Obviously it’s not the same as the Yam system, but it’s very similar and you know what, it’s superb for long distance trips and touring! H2 for sunny days out, DCT for the big hauls, what’s not to like👍🏽
Everyone who's tried this or eclutch "this is great"
Everyone who hasn't "this is the end of motorcycling"
I’ve rode an Africa twin 1100 dct, and it sucked honestly. It just felt like a toy it felt too easy. As an optional feature for disabled people, sure it’s good. NOT as a main transmission tho who wouldn’t want to ride a motorcycle 😂
@@Soeks77 Time will prove you wrong. You know it too...
@@Samuel10463 yes? That’s what I was saying for “old” or disabled people, a motorcycle that doesn’t require you to do anything w the left side of your body could be good. 👌 So it SHOULD be offered as an option, just not as a main transmission option.
@@Soeks77 Yes, you've already said that. That's why I responded: you're wrong. Manual clutch going in same direction as cars' went... And it's a great thing. BTW, Honda's E-clutch is a great transitional tool, it let you slowly adopt to no clutch lever operations. And once you got taste of it, you jump to a full auto next. It's a good thing.
@@Samuel10463 I personally very much dislike automatic transmissions in general. Why? Well one reason is when you give full throttle, there is a delay as the transmission has to downshift first before accelerating. Contrasting a standard transmission, where the driver can downshift and accelerate when ready, with no delay. Throttle input is instant in a manual transmission as there is no torque converter or centrifugal clutch mechanism which has to “slip” in order to power whatever drivetrain the vehicle in question utilizes. Most people are lazy however and want something easy and simple to drive, which is understandable sure. For a motorcycle tho, having to only twist a throttle to go, it’ll kill new motorcycle riders. If a new rider can’t operate a clutch or shift, they shouldn’t ride. It’ll lead them to get too comfortable, and overlook other basic skills like countersteering, body position, front and rear brake bias, and proper judgment on the street.
As a long time big scooter and Honda DCT rider, this is very exiting news. If it comes on the smaller models also I might be interested.
Hond CB650R with E-clutch?
For me, it's crossing the divide of the ease not getting the left hand ache of clutch in clutch out 1st gear stop start in cities and having a proper bike for the open road. So, it's a scooter when you want to be on a scooter and a normal bike outside cities... which will make it a good commuter.
Exactly this!!
In traffic you should just filter lmao
@@Soeks77 Believe me, I'm the filter master! I was thinking central London... so many red lights. Used to commute on a Yamaha FZR 1000. There were times I would have done anything to be on a scooter. Thanks for replying
@@clownworld-honk410 true scooters can just slip onto the sidewalk, when I ride in the city or urban areas I just use red lights as stop signs and go whenever I feel is safe to do so.
I like it better than I thought I would. I could see a foot shifter as a extra shift function. It would relieve old school riders. My favorite is how fast the shift is wow. Like my Sim rig.
Hey John, looks very similar to the Power Shifter that we had fitted to Alex’s bike when he ruined his leg. That was surprisingly easy to get used to so I’m sure this system is the same. Absolutely ideal for those that need or want it 👍
Yes exactly like that buddy! 👍
The design looks like this could easily added to almost any bike, very clever idea.
another great vid from LCR as usual, good thorough review and nice scenery!
Do you know if the FJR 1300 will have it and when will it be launched on that bike?
Having had a stroke 2 yrs at 50yrs old, thats left me with a weak left hand and a friggin numb left foot, i can see the benefit of a option on a bike like this...
Yet i can still rag my ninja1000sx about safely at tho mo !
I firmly believe someone will sell kits to add a clutch to these bikes.
I would LOVE an automatic for daily driving and commuting. But sometimes you just gotta clutch it up and have some fun.
I have a HONDA NC750 DCT and always use the DCT in manual mode, so basically the same but with the 2nd clutch. The Tracer 9 is getting this gearbox and I think it's going to be my next bike. It's going to be brilliant for commuting when filtering as there's no clutch to manage
Just another option really which is good especially for new riders, but would be worth waiting for the next generation of the system to see how it evolves
Automatic transmissions are going to be more and more common. Younger generations don’t want to mess with all of the tedious practice riders have to go through to learn and get used to using a manual transmissions.
good honest review
its a bit like using a 1250 GS with luggage to commute through London traffic , You look the Dogs B0000cks But you cant filter and Hold the rest of us up
sorry but i was stuck behind 2 GS riders this morning who kept Blocking the Filtering opportunities so i had to get that in there .
Im happy with the clutch & gear lever set up.
All the Best L.C
Aprilia mana 850 had also an automatic. I drove it and I can imagine some people could need it. Personally I have several motorbikes but never have I been thinking; "I want an automatic"
The fact it can be stalled indicates to a clutch lever is still required ( no wheelies to ) . Seems not to be completely developed yet . Not for me at the moment. Great video Chops 👍.
I think as you said , probably ideally for the moment the bike a miss match . More suitable for touring machine , or a beginner bike .
Interesting concept for some people but not for me,although this I might try just to see after 46 years on the road I could actually change my riding style 😂
Great video as always 👍
I concur Steve Having ridden all sorts of motorcycles over the last 50 years I'm not sure about how I would adapt to not having a clutch or foot shifter 🙄 However now suffering from arthritis in my left hand it might be worth a try.🤞
My 1975 FS1E had neutral at the bottom of the box!
That does look good. Improved only by adding rear brake to left hand
Yes. I was thinking the same. With the paddle shifter, which is much quicker than foot and utilizing the left clutch lever as the left hand brake lever would be excellent. Get everything off your feet. Much more efficient.
Coming from a bicycling road racing background to now a road motorcycle rider, I can see the clear advantage of putting all controls on the handlebar. I have been saying this for some time, and the motorcycle industry (at least yanaha) is finally coming around.
I said the same thing with Honda's DCT motorcycles. There's zero reason to not have a rear brake lever on the handlebars.
@avarria5872 I think the motorcycle industry will come around on getting it all off the foot.
If the paddle shifters get traction as they are in the sport car industry with better on board computer response, then it's a no-brainer to utilize the left hand as brake control.
I would even switch the left hand brake control for the front brake and right hand brake for back. But again, I'm coming from a road bicycle racing background.
To make it even better, I don't see why they can't use electronic buttons instead of paddles. Just like electronic shifters in bicycling. LOL, funny we've come full circle, now the motorcycle industry can learn from the bicycle electronic shifting.
I’ve a knackered left ankle from skateboarding years ago so gear changes are a ‘thought’ out process This would really work for me.
Plus it’s still got that naughty side to it.
i would love to see this on the niken....
I bought a pair of Alpinstar Tech 7 boots. They”re all plastic and it”s like riding in ski boots. Braking and downshifting are difficult but doable. Upshifting is difficult to the point where I don’t feel safe. Finger paddles would save the day!
The Yamaha FJR1300 18years ago had an ‘automatic’ version with no clutch lever. I owned one , very good until you were on slippery surface when you needed to feather the clutch.
Nice Chopsy , always said I'd never get an auto car !! now I have and will never go back 😁😁 be weird on the bike though !!! Had a chuckle when you mentioned the rain there 😁😁 as sitting today and it was dry and sunny here in old Scotland 👍👍 good stuff mate .
Technology has certainly come on with the bikes , probs not for me but great stuff .👍
Thank you for the great review … where was this location with the awesome twisty roads? Looks like a blast!
might have to see if the dealer has one in for me to borrow when i'm in for service. definitely looks like an interesting thing to play with. even moreso when the gen 2 comes along in the future and it addresses the IMU etc. a lot of possibilities
This was a very professional overview, entertaining and informative. 👍
Why thank you 👍
Can’t wait to give one a go Chopsie. By the sound of the comments it may take a bit to convince others though.
you were just a fine reviewer. I always enjoy your videos and commentary…."
All autos are designed to short shift for economy reasons (except 1st gear), so they sacrifice smoothness by shifting a tad too early. If I was Yam I would apply a modes option that tweaks that decision making. Other than that, good job.
This would be good on the Tracer 9. DCT or AMT's make more sense either on commuters or touring style bikes.
Not my cup of tea but the beginners are going to love it
this is good for people with left leg problems but it is like a honda c50, c70, c90... if we are not careful we will end up with bikes with no controls, just a phone app to insert destination and rider and pillion are both passengers on fully automated bikes (probably electric)
Thanks Chopsy, a very interesting video 👍
I remember the Honda dream had a auto box by the clocks and pulling off on this would like a Honda c90 chicken chaser I mean without a manual clutch , the system may be more usable on the big touring bikes long distance
I think it has some merit on some bikes for some riders. They need to do something to attract new riders and this might be part of that. Us OGs can only support the industry for so long. Me I like a simple bike with a clutch and a gear change
there is a limit between convenience, ease of use and having full control. This crosses it. I'll stick to a refined QS with blipper and a clutch thank you very much.
It reminds me of playing ride 5 on the ps5, as a fan of big screaming sports bikes this does look fun like playing a computer game
This is the perfect bike for a back to back comparison. Y-AMT vs standard quickshifter. F1 worked out donkeys years ago that the flappy paddle gearbox was far quicker than foot clutch and stick so it's interesting to see how it compares to a normal bike. Are your hands quicker at changing gears or your feet?
Huskvana made an automatic decades ago, could be an advantage in endurance racing.
I think this is a great idea, maybe more people will think of getting into motorcycling. People with left leg problems maybe?
Maybe it needs a left hand twist grip for the gears, so you roll it forward and backwards for gear changes.... I am not keen on flappys..
So with the 1100 Africa twin the dct will hold the gear around corners and will change down on hill decent, you can see why the Honda dct system is so much more cost as no moving parts external to motor, I think you have to compare this to honda E clutch not dct
Great review- Thank you
Reading the title I’m thinking oh wow the world’s first atomic powered motorcycle😮.
As long as it is an option and you can still get the same bikes with a clutch lever and a clutch, I am all good with it. I love technology, but I still much prefer shifting myself! Not interested in a crop of two wheel cars :( I am also good with Quick Shifters and Honda's E-Clutch as they both still allow manual, tradition shifting.
The tiny electric motors: I wonder if that's the only feasible method to do that, engineering-wise. No hydraulic avenues to consider or anything. It just seems weird to use tiny motors, even though they're clearly perfect for it.
It'd take 2 months and I'd be fully used to it. I like it. I never even knew this was a thing.
Good review bud! It's a nice bike, and I commend the enginerding that went into it, just a pity they went and spoiled it by adding more useless fluff. If you want paddles buy a Nissan Altima. 😁 Hopefully this will remain an optional addon and they won't be forcing this on us in the near future. I swear riding a modern bike is getting closer to that XBox every day...
The paddle shifter, I think, has real promise, particularly for racing. No more foot position obstruction in the corners. And faster shifting. I would really go for the paddle shifter.
Once they release this as an option on the XSR900 I’m getting one and fitting stunt/GP style thumb actuated rear brake lever - going to be a hoot. Never plan on using automatic, but quick shifter with fingers yea please
It seems a few manufacturers are now deciding to go down this “auto” gearbox route.
I’m sure it’s got nothing to do with getting us biking folk used to not changing gears manually, ready for when ‘electric only’ motorcycles will be your ONLY choice across all showrooms, in just five years time …
No thanks - I’ll stick with a manual transmission and add the quick-shifter/blipper!
So, changing gears with your digits instead of your left clod-hopper is life changing, is it?
Wow, such hardship! 😂
No self-respecting motorcyclists has only one bike. Honda’s DCT is impeccable (2022 Rebel 1100)
06 Goldwing satisfies the desire to shift when it arises. Also, don’t knock it till u try it!
Game changer.
Very interesting and great idea. My only problem is if it breaks or something happens rekon will cost ya a bomb to sort it. When i owned the 2021 MT09 it kept cutting out during rides. This happened to alot of these models. So once it went on the Diagnostics it was sorted. To do with an update on the ICU or something. Manufacturing problems. Will this be the same. How long will it last until it breaks down. Who knows. But it is the future of riding.
I have quick shifters on both my bikes and would have no issue if they also had an automatic clutch. I don't need the full auto function (but I can see it could have its place), so would effectively be left with a quick shifter with an auto clutch, so maybe that's an option that would be more palatable to more riders?
Pretty soon....
OLED screens will replace the reflection in the rearview mirrors.
The seat release latch will be a bluetooth app on the phone.
The horn button will be 3 levels deep in the screen menu.
The motorcycle brakes will engage via sonar, laser, and radar sensing.
The steering will be by servo motor and butt cheek pressure pads, sensitivity-adjustable via bluetooth app.
And all the UA-cam influencers will be shouting "This tech is the future!"
How many times did you push up with your foot on an invisible gear lever ? Think I'll stick with my clutch a bit longer!
If you're doing away with gear lever, why not get rid of rear brake pedal as well and have a rear brake lever on the handlebar?
Which is what I think all electric bikes should do as standard.
Because that would literally be a scooter! 😄👍
What are the effects/ relationships of Y-AMT regarding IMU functions ??
Thanks for any & all responses.
I have a gammy left foot and have to add a custom plastic plate to my boot to shift gear, this could be the answer.
Great review. It's an option for the people that want it.
Yep, Key word “Opinion” 🤣🤣
As a person with 2 perfectly functioning legs and feet I wish they removed the clutch and just kept the shifter, but i understand why they chose this to be more approachable to all kinds of riders
No brand so far seems to get the full auto mode right. With the IMU, why not let the computer use the clutch to smooth things out? Using auto mode would be so useful when your just "going to work" or like you said "tired". I would like to know if you have ever been on a modern snowmobile? They are always in the correct "gear". Yamaha knows that because they have built 200HP sleds. Every ride is a track day !
awesome to see what ill get to experience in like 8-10 years when regular people can afford. most content isnt even native 8k yet anyways.
My new bike has a quick shifter, I gave it a go but it’s not for me. I can change gears better than some computer so I just knocked it off.
I like that this bike is automatic, yet it's significantly lighter than the NC750X DCT. I love the gearbox on my NC750X DCT, but the thing is just too heavy. The only reason I bought it over the CB500X was the gearbox, though I do like the frunk, too. This seems like a much better product.
No more clutch fluid changes any more which is a good point for me.
So Chopsy, its basically a flappy paddle manual system, and you'd use the auto in cities, towns and traffic?
No clutch is very nice.
Wonder how it works in 8 figures or between trafic since DCT is lagging in this manner in relatiin to regular shifting.
Wonder if this will be available to retrofit on older MT models. Gen 1 please.
*I have a brilliant idea!* Why not adding, together with the autogear, 2 more wheels, a metal casing and seats for five passengers and their luggage! Airbags and AC too!!!!!!!!
Be interested to see what you think of Honda's cb/cbr 650r e clutch which retain foot change and a clutch lever
Hello, how are you?
Greetings from Brazil
This video is great, you did very well riding this Yamaha with this new technology
Please allow me to ask you a question, what is the model and engine capacity of this Yamaha?
You have gained another subscriber to your UA-cam Channel
Thanks for the video and any information!
i wonder if u can click it to the neutral during automatic mode and rev the engine and then switch back to auto
Having put up with DCT for 2 years it has been sold, the enjoyment of manual is a major part of bikes for an old fart!
Oh, ye poor wretch! Cursed with the vile contraption of devilish gears-a dual clutch, ye say? Two clutches? Bah! Twice the torment for half the satisfaction! I feel thy pain deep within my bones, for no sorcery or spell could undo the shame thou hast endured these long, miserable 288 full moons. Thy foot must have wept, to press down with purpose, only to be met with naught but confusion and treachery! Fear not, for thou art free now, and may the gears of destiny align more kindly in thine future travels.
With the way the automated clutch and shifting systems seem to be configured, it looks like they could still keep both of them manual too and use one or the other. I'd like to know why they didn't go that route and if they'd consider it in the future. 🤔 Would be cool to have all options on one bike.
hope for there is a left rear break lever🎉
Hi lambsey paddle shifting has been around awhile in car awhile on the steering wheel...😊
I am honestly confused - why would anyone miss one of the most rewarding and pleasurable things to do with riding a full grown motorcycle, which is the gear changing?
I mean, I can understand quick-shifter and auto-blipper for sporting/racing needs (even though I far prefer to do it all myself, the conventional classic way) but...... this? WHY???
For commuting, touring and people that have disabled left hand for pulling a clutch...there, no need to be confused about it anymore :)
Question is, how durable are the components? Until the clutch actuator screws up from wear and tear, you might juz launch yourselve to the moon on a green light. I've seen plenty vehicle frm cars to trucks that jerks wen moving off running on this tech
Horses for courses. I'm 67 and I've bought a new 750 Hornet opting not to have the quick shifter. I love the engagement of it all. However, I would only have an automatic car. Disability is naturally a different kettle of fish.