BOEING 737 MAX 8 TUI Fly COCKPIT VIEW from AMSTERDAM to ROTTERDAM
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- Опубліковано 19 бер 2018
- Pilots view of TUI Fly's brand new Boeing 737 MAX 8, flying from Amsterdam Airport Schiphol to Rotterdam The Hague Airport.
The OO-MAX is TUI's first MAX 8 and will be used by both Belgian and Dutch flight crews.
10:25 heart skipped a beat...
Lmao 😂
Flaps are still at 1 so no need to panic.
I wouldn’t think that was mcas, the plane didn’t pitch down much
Well no, the autopilot was off, so nothing is here
😂
*at Amsterdam taxi is longer than flight*
@Kameron Roberto just not caring about you bots *Its going great!*
so glad you're alive
Actually Boeing sent out a memo to the pilots of the MAX after Lion Air crash explaining what may have caused it and what to do. Here is basically what is happening. Upon climb out the pilot will engage the autopilot with it in NAV mode. At this time flaps are still extended for climb out and the aircraft maintains the climb as indicated on the FMS to the assigned altitude. Once the flaps are fully retracted the MCAS engages. At this point the MCAS looks at several things but one being the Vertical Pitch Indicator to either adjust the trim up or down as needed for climb or possibly level flight if needed at this point. The Vertical Pitch Indicator is reading on some MAX 8's 10-20 degrees higher than what the aircraft actually is pitched at. This engages the MCAS to lower the Trim to level the aircraft as needed. Well at this point the plane over pitches nose down because the Vertical Pitch Indicator is saying the plane is pitched up, which it is not. The pilot then will use the Trim on the yoke to trim up also pull back on the yoke and both the MCAS and the pilot are fighting to keep the plane level. Once the pilot stops with the trim adjustment the MCAS goes to full trim down due to adjust for the 10-20 degree increase in the Vertical PItch Indicator it was getting, which is incorrect. At this point the aircraft is sadly most likely in downward angle and unable to recover from it. Boeing did say in a memo what could be done to help stop this during flight. The pilot's can manually override all autopilot functions including MCAS, either first or at that point put the Flaps extended one notch to disengage the MCAS.
Great comment. Two points.
Number one, why the Pitch Reading is wrong by default, to begin with? This should be a software patch but why it is not detected in the test before, there must be other causes.
Two, there is no button to disengage MCAS in this brand new MAX 8. It is absurd to extend flap just to disengage MCAS while climbing in altitude. What next? The pilot should lower landing gear just to keep the plane flying? In any case, the plane should be grounded worldwide, until these two problems are fixed. The FAA and Boeing is crooked. Saving face over human life. This is a national disgrace. You're not just looking at a plane crash, you're looking at American Democracy crash and burn.
maespip afaik mcas does not engage when autopilot is on
Software that control censors was said might be the problem. What type of censors are on this plane? Let's say the plane takes off, and enroute six minutes inflight, A passenger texting, over riding the software on the plane. IPAD or smart phone data is the same as the plane it may interfered with the autopilot or the plane itself. And if a smart phone did this on both crashes , all they would have to do is see the calls\tests at that time and who had what type of phone, and see what type of software Boeing is using. And if computers or phones have the same data, And then you can pin point time, from flight chart of the crashes. jmo
The AOA (Angle Of Attack) sensor is the main input for MCAS which then controls stabilizer trim to correct pitching up or down due to thrust change (due to engine placement above CoG).
While the yoke controls the elevator, the stabilizer is much larger than the elevators, and therefore is more effective than the elevator at extreme angles. So counteracting trim with the yoke is not possible.
The runnaway stabilizer procedure should be applied in such cases, main thing is to switch both stab trim to off and trim manually.
@@darkhorse0102 Capitalism, nothing personal...
Another magnificent video. Huge thanks for sharing!
Excellent video gentlemen. My favourite aircraft with the awesome livery of TUI. Safe flying and greetings from London, UK.
wow love the cockpit view!
Woaw!! What a quiet plane. I could not hear the typical engine rising sound after pressing TOGA. I like the simple and clean design. Funny small details like that very small gear-up-down lever and the same for the engine cutoff levers. The big displays are great. Top class pilot and co-pilot. Thamks for a great video. Love the 737 Max 8.
There is no Cockpit sound, you hear the Headset sound.
Excellent de chez Excellent!!!!!!!!
SUPERBE VIDEO
ET PILOTES EXCEPTIONNEL!!!!!!!
Thank you !!! I Love this ....
Outstanding video!!!👏
flying in high skill level. Congratulations co pilot
milton fonseca the copilot is André Berger, director of flight operations. He is in fact captain, instructor and has a lot of flight experience. So he should have more than enough skills for this short flight ;)
the max is such a beautiful machine. i really hope they fly again soon.
Fantastic video, B737MAX is the best for ever.
not now it isn't........
Perfect vid!
What software version are they flying on? 1.00 or 5.12? Initial rollouts had suicidal mode embedded.
Item to put on the checklist: "Suicide mode - off"
Excelent video, good job!!
that landing was buttery.
tatsächlich war es
Not in air lions’ case
awesome video!
Otimo vídeo!
Obrigado! ❤🛫✈
Zeer mooie video!
Beautiful landing
Looks great! I love the 737 and EHRD :)
great video
I’ve been travelling with tui for my whole 12 years off being alive! :)
Oh wow this is seriously rare!
Looks good pilot
Perfect takeoff and landing. Highly skilled Captain and FO. Lovely aircraft. Beautiful external view. Why was the water salute ? Thank you.
little did they know what a death trap that plane was at the time
I love it
Please tell me it's a relocation flight?
She looks like a joy to fly
11:32 shout out to Kenya116!
watching from Kenya
damnnn that 's a smoooooothhhh landing :X
Aha! in Africa too.
What a beautiful aircraft and cockpit
Apollo Actual After a 5+ hour flight the flight deck isn’t so glamorous. :(
skyserf well I’ve never been at the front of any commercial jet so I guess my perspective is a little different 😅
Try riding on any previous generation 737 before you call this one beautiful
NOPE I prefer glass CKP of the NG the best ever!!!!
Classic had the best cockpit
Boeing to najlepsza firma na świecie. Samoloty wyglądają przepięknie.
excellent CRM by both pilots
Andi Muhammad check
Amdterdam to rotterdam?? 80km flight with a 737 max???
Ferry flight without passengers. Because this aircraft was needed at rotterdam
I think Boeing made the 737 MAX cockpit a bit like the 787 one while maintaining 737 looks.
I still think it should have 5 displays
nah 4 looks way more clean
Freckles Aviation /56
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Tal Ionescu is
Consummate professionals at work!
good video
When the Max has the MCAS Software fix, and is back up, please more videos.
not me on board
Does the mcas now fixed during this flight footage?
i love flying that why i bought p3d and x plane are amazing
Nice
Judging by the reception on arrival I'd guess it was a new delivery to TUI and that's why it was an unusually short flight. The water canon gave it away somewhat
You started engine n°1 during taxi? I know that the start sequence for the max is longer than the NG, but is that normal to taxi before the start procedure ? (I fly the 73NG.. and just did my differences few days ago) tnx for your answer 😉
Are you a pilot?
You are asking that question as a NG pilot? What kind of differences training did you get?
nice plane
sweet atc voice
Nederlands: Mooie video👍👍
Maar, ze hadden toch al een max 8??
English: Nice video👍👍 But, they had already an b737 max 8??
BETTER ONE OLD TRANSAVIA 737 IN THE AIR, THAN A NEW MAX ON THE GROUND
Wow
When they say the engine start switches in continuous, does that mean the igniter is firing constantly?
Yes, continous ignition.
Next time, on a longer flight, you can use the big cockpit screens to watch some netflix movies
I wondered which airline uses the Orange callsign these days. It was the atc callsign of former Air Holland. I suppose Orange is for the dutch Tui only? Great video btw!
Yes only TUI Netherlands uses Orange now
Beautiful aircraft.
Great job
Just out of curiosity, the name of this cart just ahead is "FOLLOW ME". Suggestive, is not it?
Wow it's quiet up there!
Were those the new GE engines? Darn they are quiet! Even on take off I couldn't hear them in this video.
Boeing’s mcas system: we’ll let you off with this one
Goddamn. Need to go buy some more bread, there is butter all over that runway.
No kidding! He rolled it right on!
@@smartrubberchicken you are acting like a 9/y old
And here ladies and gentleman's you can see A real pilots flying!
It seemed like an eternity between 80 kts and V1. Also, is it normal for a MAX to have a 170 kt V2? Seems high to me. Heavy?
Probably "Improve climb" option. Using longer rwy distance for more energy and better climb perf.
nice video , nice plane i like Boeing !:) and Professional pilots !:) have a pleasure with your 737 max 8, a lot of good flights !:)
Is it still as noisy as 737 ng cockpit though?
Is it standard practice to correct for wind drift when flying runway heading in the Netherlands?
fly runway heading doesn't mean to hold your nose on the runway heading but your direction of flight on the extended centerline. And to do this you have to compensate the wind... That's not specific to the Netherlands but the same everywhere..
well if they flew runway heading their nose would be pointed in the runway direction, but they were told to fly runway TRACK so they had to correct for the wind to stay on the extended centerline
That’s like a 2 second flight I’ve seen you on topographic images
Pilots in near future: Ok, Boeing, climb FL 300.
IS it my imagination or do the engines motor for a long time before igniting?
They do when they’re still warm sometimes up to 2 minutes.
Personally I kind of prefer the older Fuel cut-off switches, it seems they've adapted the 777 design
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At 10:25 there are two wheels spinning at the center console. Is that the flaps retracting and is that automatic? Thank You for the explanation of the various controls and sensors, the news tells us nothing.
That's the trim wheel, that controls the aircraft's pitch. See also here: www.quora.com/What-are-the-spinning-wheels-in-an-airliners-cockpit
This is what MCAS (the system supposedly responsible or partially responsible for the Lion Air and Eithiopian Airlines crashes) does - it trims the nose down cause this aircraft tends to wanna go nose up when using more thrust due to bigger engines and stuff. Someone more informed correct me if I am wrong.
Those are the trim wheels. Actuated by the autopilot or pilot electrically, or by the pilot manually. the MCAS overrides the trim to move the stabilizer ahead of or during a stall if in manual flight and clean config, so the pilot will have improved handling of pitch during the impending stall recovery. It’s essentially a stick pusher and is common in all sorts of aircraft. The accidents were a function of erroneous stall warning signals becoming active, which continuously drove the MCAS to drive the trim forward/down, and in both cases the pilots did not have the training or experience to understand they could disable the trim system (which kills the MCAS) by simply turning off the stabilizer trim cutout switches. Like any accident, it’s a complicated chain of events that almost always points to a combination of engineering, experience, training, and ultimately pilot error. I’m not saying the pilots made a mistake, but more training and experience might have prevented lion air, and Ethiopia would have CERTAINLY been prevented if they had been up to speed on current guidance. Make no mistake, the Max is an exceptional aircraft ONCE MCAS IS REPROGRAMMED, and that will happen before anyone flies in them again. It’s a relatively easy fix by Boeing. And there will be a lot of finger pointing for years to come as to how it got certified in its original form. People need to understand though that the process will heal the aircraft, and experienced, well trained pilots will ALWAYS be in a position as the safety advocate of the passengers. MCAS is just one example of what pilots deal with on all types of aircraft. There are thousands of things that can kill you on an airplane, and US pilots will stand by our safety record as exceptional in this regard. The combination of US airspace, aircraft engineers, pilots, training, regulatory, , and oversight is unmatched in history and we are striving every day to make it better. Mistakes like these recent ones are never acceptable in our industry.
Hmm. I’ve watched a lot of these videos, and I don’t recall ever seeing a single-engine taxi like this. They start the second engine _during_ taxi. Right? Is this a common procedure? Is it relative to the airport? to the 737 MAX 8? Or is it just my ignorance?
To save fuel...after all it takes only a little power to keep the aircraft rolling...why use 2 engines.
Damn long starting the engines waiting for the motoring message gone before putting fuel in,should also put an autostart on it
My flather flies the MAX8 in Asia.. He agrees with you, the new design of LEAP-1B engines requires a longer startup sequence. Engines have to be in idle for a complete minute before applying thrust.
Enrique Delgado yeah it wastes a lot of time btw all CFM engines requires 1 minute idle after start,i used to be a 737NG simulator instructor i wonder how i can get a 737 MAX FCOM the differences seems little yet a lot
I want to know why beautiful cockpit everything done right why pilots using pads ? and why are the pilots using pads in the cockpit when in the back you got to turn your pad off phone off etc
Look like a small cockpit or are these dutch boys very big & tall lol?
Starting engine 1 while taxiing? Is that a new procedure?
Yes - it saves fuel
It is call SETO (SINGLE ENGINE TAXI OUT)
That was just in time, to ask the tower to take exit V5.
I wonder, how long it takes to fly from Amsterdam to Rotterdam, I guess, 10 minutes tops.
RIP people in Europa crash and Lionair crash my condolences go out to those people. 😰
Aaaand you have a beer!
I have a beer!
Take-off 😆
I keep staring at those STAB/TRIM cutout switches for some reason....
mcas?
I hope Boeing Will make a better 737 Max because i liked the plane especialy the engines
Where the MCAS at doe?
can't believe how quiet it is
Hope to see this beauty fly again soon
Aren't the 2 airports less than 30 miles apart?!
nice New airplane B737 MAX8
Is it just me or are the engines super quiet?
I think Its just because the mic record the intercom radio, not the cockpit ambiance.
I do believe they are quiet compared with previous 737 generations. The other person made key points
Thank heaven for the curvature of the earth, without it these ground grippers would never become airborne. Excellent flight management. Thanks for the upload
Bobby Paluga yes, those engines are the new generation.
The plane was mostly empty, I think they used only about 75% throttle as you can see on the engine display.
My dream job
Got the required training and upgrade on the MCAS System yet?
I miss hearing the flight computer saying Retard @ landing....
Liberty Patriot Boeings never said that.
Where can I download this mod
Pilots of this plane, have you ever had to disable the MCAS because it wanted to put the nose down unnecessarily?
After the lion air crash,Boeing gave a memo about the mcas(what to do if it goes crazy)
I would like to see the 737MAX with the Ryanair livery
@Ethan H yeah I know it I hope to see you nowwww!!!!
You shall see it soon enough!
In all these cockpit videos it's always the first officer landing. Why is that? Is it to give him more practice?
Not all, it just depends who's the pilot flying
you got massive balls to be flying a 737 max...
Wow, it's unbelievably quiet in there. I've heard hair dryers louder than that.
Because you hear the headset sound, there is no mic in the Cockpit
give me back the l-1011 i hate the new class cockpit and that stab trim needs to be looked at on the new 737s but i like this air plane its sad that people had to die rip there souls
Max 8 ? Oh , oohh , ooohhh ...
"mag ik n beetje manueel vliegen?"" "ja is goed" "BEEP BEEP BEEEP" "oh" :D
infrawiz It‘s funny: I’m from Germany and understand every word...
niederländisch ist leicht zu verstehen, andersrum aber auch. Nur die Aussprache und vor allem Schrift is echt gnadenlos :D
Wahr, Niederländisch und Deutsch sind sehr ähnlich sprachen
Dat is de autopilot disconnect alarm. En de "C chord tone" betekend 1000 feet voor het bereiken van de geselecteerde hoogte.
Op welk moment in de video gebeurt dat? Haha
New and two are already down