You asked for it, I made it. Be sure to leave the topics you would like me to cover in The Elder Scrolls Lore Series! It took me 4 days to get that Battlespire footage, and 2 days to get the Skyrim footage because all the textures were broken. Good times :D
The Ideal Masters are so similar to The Molag Bal in almost all matters. A couple of necromancers that served Molag Bal, found out a way to serve themselves. It could be a really interesting game. Think about it. The Soul Cairn is so similar to The Coldharbour, it even looks like Coldharbour.
Letting the Dragonborn go prevents the apocalypse, allowing more souls to be born, and more to be trapped, therefore more fuel and slaves for the Ideal Masters. Let one go, receive more for eternity.
That's actually a fair point. The game is vague as too what happens to the 'dragon souls' technically when they are absorbed by the Dragonborn. Are they literally trapped inside him or perhaps they know something we don't. Perhaps bits of the souls of the Dragon's we kill go to the Soul Cairn. If that were the case then they absolutely would not want to kill the Dragonborn because he would be sending them power of Dragon's that are definitely powerful beings. Now, other than Drunevir we don't see any Dragon's there... but who's to say? We might be helping them far more throughout Skyrim than we ever could know.
it actually make a lot of sense that the ideal masters were once mortals, who reached immortality by the means of necromancy and soul magic. We have a prime example of such a method in another skyrim quest, The Black Star. Malin Varen reached immortality through soul magic, turned a daedric artifact into his own pocket plane of oblivion, but needed souls to fuel his existence, hence the multiple sacrifices made for him in Illinalta's deep. He may have wanted to follow the same path as the ideal masters... Please corret me if I'm wrong here ^^ But anyway, thanks for the vid, it was very good!
"Look, I don't know what's going on here, but it smacks of necromancy, and I won't stand for it. Goodbye." Might just be the best response in any bethesda game ever.
Maybe the Dragonborn's soul can't be used by them. No dragon can be captured using a soulgem and Dragonborn's soul may even be protected by Akatosh himself the way Alduin's is as he is the Hero of the Prophecy. Even Durnehviir doesn't appear to have given them his soul, just become their guard for someone whose soul they actually want, so it might have been their only way to get their payment from him. If you approach an Ideal Master, your health can't reach zero despite them clearly trying.
Durnehiviir.. HIS SOUL... BELONGS to the SOUL CAIRN... its TRAP/BOUND to it.. pretty sure if u make a soul gem big enough/powerful enough u could trap a dragons soul.. butt who would walk around with a massive soul gem.. in a time were dragons are thought to be extinct.. let alone have the idea to make one.. in the midst of a massive war... i dont think they are "trying" to drain your soul.. rather they are "AFKing" indefinitely and they just have a power presense that when u get close it just drains anyone close... cause if they really really wanted to drain u.. there is no reason why they would not actually stop being "lazy/sleeping" and pull up on ones ass.. if u want to get close and get drain.. no problem.. if u want to stay away and not get drained.. no problem.. it seems the ideal masters... truely as they said before.. the give no shits about affairs of anything outside of their own realm... u want to deal and interact with them.. cool.. u dont want to.. cool.. they give no shits.. they arent gonna force u to .. or encourage u to do or dont.. basically. the doors open.. come in or dont.. if u come in.. they will make a deal in their own interest... whether u get played or not.. is on u... durnehviir is a example of a being not using his head when signing the contract.. he signed it without reading basically... and cause he didnt read he couldnt make himself a better deal..
As part of being able to enter the soul cairn you must be partially soul trapped. So I don't think this is true. It's more likely that allowing the DB to leave was beneficial to them.
Sherwyn Sharma I heard that some mod authors are being paid by Bethesda to make these mods and then pop... turns out they become paid so... technically they work for Bethesda
Camelworks, so awesome you actually went in that old game to record this unqiue footage! I swear. I was once working on a small lore friendly mod involving soul gems and the ideal masters, and the only images I could find of them were still images of this very footage! I didn't even know they were voiced. AMAZING STUFF!
@@veson231 Originally the first Shoddycast guy chose to hand off the channel as he said this in his last video. This is the first I've heard of him dying so I assume he died after the channel was handed off. Or he didn't say that he was infirm.
Pran Saha could be an outside creation or a physical manifestation of oblivion Do we even have any idea what Oblivion is? A strange space of unknowable power
They could be souls that have manifested a physical form, being in the Soul Cairn for so long, they lost what little identity they had left and transformed into "husks". By consuming them, their souls could be offered to the Ideal Masters until completely sapped or dissipated from your physical form, or attached to your own soul, as temporary protection from their eternal greed?
well the book of life and service gives a glimpse into that, but to be fair it also isn't as complete a window into the delusions of megalomania that shape their ideology.
Edin743 because they don't care about the dragonborn, as in the grand-scheme of multiversal reality warping beings, the dragonborn is pretty insignificant.
It's absolutely in the interests of the Ideal Masters to let the Dovahkin stroll through the Soul Cairn and escape - in the end if they were to fail, the Ideal Masters' supply of souls would come to an end as well.
The reason they let you free was because you were the chosen one. You were going to stop the vampires from killing all life on Nirn because if there are no living things, then there is nothing to be sent to the Soul Cairn. The reason they kept Serana’s mother was so she wouldn’t be killed by her husband and meet the Dragonborn, helping him. (Or her)
Well... If the Dragonborn remained ignorant of the Ideal Masters then it reduces the likelihood of the Dragonborn wanting to fight the ideal masters and destroying their immortality as he did with dragons, in some way shape or form. I know I would have tried. Looks like a smart move on the Ideal Masters part to keep quiet through it all.
dragonborn can still do quite a lot of damage to theirrealm, he may not be able to destroy them but pissing off someone aspowerfull as the dragonborn isnt such a great idea
Brandon Withnell the dragonborn can do jack shit to affect them. If they are on the level of the princes then they are multiversal reality warping entities. They can change their relm to how they like. And considering that they never actually tried to stop us, we didn't do anything that annoyed them. Infact we probably helped them in some way
Thank you for finding a link between games like this! Tons of people play skyrim and oblivion, oblivious to the strings that connect these great games to yhe series!! Keep it up bro! Much love!
I think Manimarco could be one of them since he was said to have his own realm in Oblivion and is a god of necromancy. Their desire to subjugate souls could also imply they have ties to Molag Bal
Rainbow Unicorn Sparkle Fairy Dust i do believe the dwemer have transcended mortality but i don’t think they are the ideal masters because lore wise they scoffed at the very idea of magic they followed the rules of logic and science hence their affinity to machines they were warriors and philosophers but were never mages and never had any interest for magic as they scoffed at the very idea of the Aedra and Daedra though the dwemer would use magic they only used it to give their machines magical properties or prolong the life of their MACHINES not flesh but machine so they would have no use for souls whatsoever more likely if they used souls they used the souls of atronach but more likely they have used bits of aetherium which is said to be pieces of aetherius in the flesh
Definitely a good topic and one you have spent some time in putting information together. But remember, it wasn't the Ideal masters that let the Dragonborn into the Soul Cairn it was Serana's Vampire Pure-Blood and a Daughter of Coldharbour. Because of this and the ritual runes left in the Castle Volkihar Dungeons and the fact Serana's mother had already used her blood before it's pretty obvious how the Dragonborn could enter. The question we should really be trying to answer is why the Ideal Masters decided to only watch? Because to me it's seems like they had a plan for the Dragonborn. But then, when the Dragonborn defeats Durnehviir and agrees to let him "join" the Dragonborn, for each kill Durnehviir takes the soul could potentially now belong to the Ideal Masters. Just a thought.
Semi convinced the Dwemer are the Ideal Masters, and I based that on very literal. Mainly their personalities, strategies, and equally mysterious origin as the Dwemer's disappearance. Loved the video :)
The ideal master Master=very good in conjuration( becouse soulcairn has to do with conjuration) Ideal=the perfect men every women dream of Ideal+master= a very hot conjurer
You've got a knack for lore videos like this. You have a good voice for it and know how to set the tone and keep it interesting throughout the entire video. Can't wait for more of these and more of the Elder Scrolls Detective series.
Great video for how long I've been seeking more informations on the Ideals Masters, I wish we could become their champion or something with either a soul reaping weapon or something like that to make Necromancer characters having one more thing to seek in the soul cairn
I would love to see more from the first two Elder Scrolls games. It's great learning obscure things about Morrowind, Oblivion, and Skyrim, but with how hard it is to get Arena and Daggerfall to run on modern machines, I feel like the old history of the ES universe is slipping from view for many people.
it's not only how hard it is to get to run, but also how horribly they play. they are unbearable to play at this point. no matter how much you love elder scrolls, those games are painful to sit through.
So like a special secret boss fight in the boneyard that you have to collect some kind of super-rare drop to trigger, with 40,000 hp in the first phase, 60,000 hp in the second phase, and 80,000 hp in the third phase, with boneman, mistman, wrathman, and ghost adds numbering in the hundreds each, scores of ghostly legendary dragon adds, multiple slow-moving beam attacks like potema's death ray in addition to their normal soul-siphon, and only momentary lapses in otherwise perfect defenses that have to be expertly taken advantage of, with a few helpful objects or contraptions scattered around the arena to make the fight remotely survivable?
Greg Martin Minions only in the last phase when they are weaker, the other phases would be them taking form of horrible huge beasts each phase it becomes more violent and desperate taking even creepier forms of oblivion like beasts that the player can barely comprehend theyre form, each phase they would devour more souls and change arena, we would have the help of saint jub and the soul cairn dragon but only once because the ideal masters own them.
Greg Martin big problem with having adds in the hundreds though. Unless you have a follower, you're on you're own. Even if they did 1 damage every second, that'd be more than most characters could handle.
How satisfying would it be to consume the ideal masters, absorbing their rotton powers to rule over the soul cairn as they used to, but with your own will. I would make good of the promise of peace, and show real power with my new servants as I liberate the world of evil with the spirits, changing necromancy forever.
Rainbow Unicorn Sparkle Fairy Dust they can't be, as the dragon there was enslaved by the Ideal Masters, way before the dwemer disappeared. Also, the dwemer didn't really dabble in necromancy, so it would seem odd that they would be come the greatest patrons of necromancy
I literally wandered the Soul Cairn for about 2 and 1/2 hours this morning and those things are at this moment the bane of my existence. Thank goodness for those soul husks though.
First person in Morrowind was Jiub. In Oblivion called 'Saint Jiub' and his spirit is trapped in Soul Cairn. That alter of Xrib is sacriface area for Dwemers. To say the least Jiub who was a Dunmer was far too young to be even connected to this site. Since in ruins underground there is Temple of Xrib full of Falmers, I believe the normal sacriface on altar above must have been Snow Elves. Better question is - who or what was Xrib ? We don't really know Dwemer 'faith' in Logic and Mind or anything for Snow Elves - we only know they worshipped mostly Auriel/Akatosh. Or even better question to TES'es is this: aren't Nords cursed by Akatosh himself ? Just think about it.
Xrib was a dwemer tonal engineer. There seems to have been a tradition among the dwemer of honoring their tonal engineers as gods unto themselves, with various chapels, temples, etc. in what is perhaps some kind of hipster-esque mockery of the faiths of other cultures in worshiping the aedra and the daedra. Or perhaps there was some kind of deification or apotheosis necessary to being a tonal engineer. We just don't know, really.
Jack Legion definitely not on the level of Anu or Padomay. I think they are probably demi princes, as they don't really have any feats to go by, and we know they aren't completely immortal.
Someone said Molag Bal was a Draegh Prince in a previous Kalpa. Only reference I could find was in one of the Lessons of Vivec. So maybe the kalpas go at least to Oblivion? Does that mean Nirn gets remade or just reformed and rearranged every kalpa? I would think a new Akatosh and new Lorkan every kalpa would be stupid.
Camelworks is one of the ONLY youtubers that actually do proper research and effort for his videos. Lets turn off adblock and watch ads for him, it doesnt take as much effort as he puts in his vids.
Could you do the story of the Nerevarine? I know it’s encompasses practically all of Morrowind’s and more but it is such a great story and it’s never really been done justice on UA-cam
I was flying around the Soul Cairn in free camera mode and as I approached an Ideal Master crystal, I saw a Mannequin floating just outside of it. Creepy stuff
Maybe if I was an ideal Master I would think it was eternal love and beauty too. Maybe from thier perspective they really are having a great time. But on the outside looking in it doesn't seem that way. Of course thier servants are miserable but maybe the ideal masters vision is tainted in some way. Why else would they say it is eternal love? I think if they were miserable they would admit it and ask for help releasing their soul from eternal torment, at least I would. So maybe... there is just a difference of reality for the two. I certainly wouldn't become their servants because I know the servants don't enjoy it... But if I was an ideal master... Maybe I would also feel eternal love... so it would be a good choice for me.. albeit a selfish one.
Great video. I had no clue the ideal masters were in battlespire. I never played it. I would like to see more videos on the Aedra or perhaps delving into more of the elder scrolls literature in the games
You should look into the events that changed in the timeline of tes due to the dragonbreak at the end of tes2: Daggerfall such as; tiber septim combining with ysmir to become the 9th divine talos, cyrodil becoming a temperate forrest instead of a jungle, numidium being controlled by men, and The interregnum.
So a video at 5 in the morning. Sweet. I'm really looking for a good Dwarven video, not a "five facts" or five minute video. I need a good 20+ minute video on Elder Scrolls Dwarves, their full lore and history.
Is there any lore on Talon Dreth? That would be an interesting backstory to hear about, since he's in search of The Atherium Forge. If you have any of the three items from the forge equipped, he tries to kill you, after a small bit of dialogue.
I love the way you treat TES world as if it was real. When playing IV oblivion, I’d look at ruins and be fascinated by their past as if they were real haha. I always wanted an TES Encyclopaedia book, but never found one. Your videos are great visual encyclopaedic references. Love your work
Is it a coincidence that I'm in the soul Caron on my Nintendo switch I just beat durnivir or however you spell it also the dragonborn constantly takes lives and takes many souls so letting the dragonborn come and go as he pleases actually helps them gain souls.
yep, ever even thought about the ass tons of soul gems you use n the game^^ like i´m usually enchanting like a mad man and my main weapon is always a soul trap one^^ so letting me run was much in their favour xD
Also consider that the dragonborn kills alduin. Destined to wreck the world. Without a world. No soul gems are used and no souls are gained. They want the dragonborn to run off. Safe the world and resume using soul gmes
Cherry Dragon if Alduin destroys the world it would be reborn, if these Ideal masters would keep their power and status like the daedra and aedra do I can't say
Dont know if you have camel but I'd love a video on some of the lesser known daedra and some of their plains, feel like we only get exposed to the biggens
"Diminish our eternity" ...Apparently not that smart these fellers, since you can't add, nor subtract from something eternal, so mathematical is out of the window :P That, or they would ultimately cease to exist if they spent all their magicka/soul energy.
during the quest "The House Of Horrors" I use a weapon with fire soul trap on Logrolf with a black soul gem, and I say "Sorry Bal, if you want Logrolf, go to the Soul Cairn and get him yourself."
If any soul collected into a Soul Gem is transferred into the Soul Cairn upon use, it's very much in the best interests of the Ideal Masters to not interfere in the work of the Dragonborn. All those weapon recharges and enchantment leveling tactics probably provided the Masters with quite a few new servants. Durnehviir has become bound forever by his time in the Soul Cairn, and they likely long ago gave up on Valerica submitting to them, so they don't really lose anything by letting the Dragonborn get what they want either.
By the sound of it, the Ideal Masters are extremist nihilistic spiritualists. They believe that life is pain and that mortal flesh is a prison, and since they've found an "alternative" to life, then in their minds this alternative is better and thus they consider it a gift. The peace they speak of is the peace of death, the love they speak of is the fact that death spares none and grants its "gift" to all. I'd hazard a guess that only a few people in their service have truly shared this view, or even understand it, and these would be the only ones to see their "gift" in the same way they do. All in all, some real fucked up shit.
Wow I wish we got to talk with them and their minions in the soul cairn in Skyrim. I didn’t know the undead we find there could talk in previous games.
Just did this the other day and I just assumed those gems were just massive replicas of the soul gems because soul cairn. Had no idea I was looking at an all powerful being! I'm not surprised they let me go though, all the soul trap I use with my bow they better see fit to not take my soul! 😂
This is worthy of a quest mod. Perhaps someone will get the idea and have access to amazing voice acting? If I only knew how to code. It is a shame Bethesda did not go deeper into this.
You asked for it, I made it. Be sure to leave the topics you would like me to cover in The Elder Scrolls Lore Series!
It took me 4 days to get that Battlespire footage, and 2 days to get the Skyrim footage because all the textures were broken. Good times :D
The creatures of shivering isles and their lore
The lore of the midden
Camelworks Lore of the dreugh would be cool.
Hi Camel. You're a good UA-camr
The Ideal Masters are so similar to The Molag Bal in almost all matters. A couple of necromancers that served Molag Bal, found out a way to serve themselves. It could be a really interesting game. Think about it. The Soul Cairn is so similar to The Coldharbour, it even looks like Coldharbour.
Todd Howard is the Ideal Master...
FudgeMuppet I T. J U S T. W O R K S!
Done the math... checks out. In fact, all the magical power of the Ideal Masters is being used to create paid mods currently
All the Ideal Masters want, is Skyrim, on every platform imaginable
*God Howard*
NONSENSE! The Ideal Masters are Nazeem, Narfi, and Cicero. They simply use enchanted mustaches to disguise their appearance.
Letting the Dragonborn go prevents the apocalypse, allowing more souls to be born, and more to be trapped, therefore more fuel and slaves for the Ideal Masters. Let one go, receive more for eternity.
That's actually a fair point. The game is vague as too what happens to the 'dragon souls' technically when they are absorbed by the Dragonborn. Are they literally trapped inside him or perhaps they know something we don't. Perhaps bits of the souls of the Dragon's we kill go to the Soul Cairn. If that were the case then they absolutely would not want to kill the Dragonborn because he would be sending them power of Dragon's that are definitely powerful beings. Now, other than Drunevir we don't see any Dragon's there... but who's to say? We might be helping them far more throughout Skyrim than we ever could know.
Danny Simms I assume their consciousness returns to Akatosh and we're only absorbing their power.
Andrew Pliakis power and knowledge. parthunaax and the greybeards tell you if you don't skip their dialogue I think.
The draginborn is too powerful for them to fight and trap you literally can kill deadera
No you can't. Killed daedra simply return to their point of origin to reform.
it actually make a lot of sense that the ideal masters were once mortals, who reached immortality by the means of necromancy and soul magic. We have a prime example of such a method in another skyrim quest, The Black Star. Malin Varen reached immortality through soul magic, turned a daedric artifact into his own pocket plane of oblivion, but needed souls to fuel his existence, hence the multiple sacrifices made for him in Illinalta's deep. He may have wanted to follow the same path as the ideal masters... Please corret me if I'm wrong here ^^ But anyway, thanks for the vid, it was very good!
2 months late, but yes, you're right :)
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And Malyn Veryn's mistake was using Azura's Star in his attempt, earning the wrath of the Daedric Prince.
Oh man, i just did that quest and was thinking about this..!! Crazy coincidence
@@zoeysheldon5634 few years late, but its wrong. If they keep the DB, a new Calpa cycle will begin, and they will be gone.
"Look, I don't know what's going on here, but it smacks of necromancy, and I won't stand for it. Goodbye." Might just be the best response in any bethesda game ever.
I'm still kinda partial to, "I’m here to pick up an order. Two large pepperoni and a calzone. Name is “Fuck You," but that one's not bad either.
Bethesda Games ARE Necromancy, slurping all the life force, time, & money out of players.
Electronic restraints, digital toxins...
Lol
smacks? you mean smells? smacks makes no sense in that context..
@@elissalesse8320 second definition; "suggests the presence of (something)" via the OED
Maybe the Dragonborn's soul can't be used by them. No dragon can be captured using a soulgem and Dragonborn's soul may even be protected by Akatosh himself the way Alduin's is as he is the Hero of the Prophecy. Even Durnehviir doesn't appear to have given them his soul, just become their guard for someone whose soul they actually want, so it might have been their only way to get their payment from him. If you approach an Ideal Master, your health can't reach zero despite them clearly trying.
My HP did.
But that's cause of a mod....
да тут согласна
Durnehiviir.. HIS SOUL... BELONGS to the SOUL CAIRN... its TRAP/BOUND to it..
pretty sure if u make a soul gem big enough/powerful enough u could trap a dragons soul..
butt who would walk around with a massive soul gem.. in a time were dragons are thought to be extinct.. let alone have the idea to make one.. in the midst of a massive war...
i dont think they are "trying" to drain your soul..
rather they are "AFKing" indefinitely and they just have a power presense that when u get close it just drains anyone close...
cause if they really really wanted to drain u.. there is no reason why they would not actually stop being "lazy/sleeping" and pull up on ones ass..
if u want to get close and get drain.. no problem..
if u want to stay away and not get drained.. no problem..
it seems the ideal masters... truely as they said before.. the give no shits about affairs of anything outside of their own realm...
u want to deal and interact with them.. cool..
u dont want to.. cool..
they give no shits.. they arent gonna force u to .. or encourage u to do or dont..
basically. the doors open.. come in or dont.. if u come in.. they will make a deal in their own interest... whether u get played or not.. is on u...
durnehviir is a example of a being not using his head when signing the contract.. he signed it without reading basically... and cause he didnt read he couldnt make himself a better deal..
@@InanisNihil
They consistently rip off people they make deals with.
It's a little more than "hey, come on in, if you want".
As part of being able to enter the soul cairn you must be partially soul trapped. So I don't think this is true. It's more likely that allowing the DB to leave was beneficial to them.
Please do one on the Khajit and their variances, they're bloody awesome but quite lost within the lore.
Mr herderderderderderderderderderderder ooooh maybe the khajit pantheon?
All khajit shit is fucking amazing but I'm not pro enough to find all of their hidden gems within the lore.
Read every book you can fucking find. Problem solved.
Especially how they made the Khajiit Tower to get to the moon.
Karl Voldemar Palm wtf
Please do a video on Aedric artifacts like Auriel's bow or the lord's mail
Lords Mail is dope. I like Chrysamere too
Muhummad Smith dayum I heard an upcoming dlc is under development and it features this lord's mail
I don't think they are going to develop a new DLC. They would only be planning for the next Elder Scroll game and developing other games.
Sherwyn Sharma I heard that some mod authors are being paid by Bethesda to make these mods and then pop... turns out they become paid so... technically they work for Bethesda
Talos does have an artifact; the armour of Talos
Camelworks, so awesome you actually went in that old game to record this unqiue footage! I swear. I was once working on a small lore friendly mod involving soul gems and the ideal masters, and the only images I could find of them were still images of this very footage! I didn't even know they were voiced. AMAZING STUFF!
This kind of content is the Soul of this channel.
oh I see what you did there
Of course the dragonborn leaving was ideal for the ideal masters.
After all we are catching millions of souls to enchant our stuff
i gave them potema. of course they would let me go.
@@thomasjenkins7506 LOL THATS IRONIC "Queen of Necromancers" got necromanced herself lol-
Glad to see that someone is filling the void left from Shoddycast not making enough Skyrim lore videos.
Their narrator died
@@veson231
Originally the first Shoddycast guy chose to hand off the channel as he said this in his last video.
This is the first I've heard of him dying so I assume he died after the channel was handed off. Or he didn't say that he was infirm.
I wonder if someone could make a lore quest mod for Skyrim, centered around the Ideal Masters using that voiced dialogue?
That would be amazing.
Who else was in Soul Cairn just the day before this video?
I WAS!
I'm in it right now on my switch
I was too!
Me too!
I was two days ago
what are soul husks and how do they have such power to stop ideal masters from stealing life in their own realm
Pran Saha could be an outside creation or a physical manifestation of oblivion Do we even have any idea what Oblivion is? A strange space of unknowable power
They could be souls that have manifested a physical form, being in the Soul Cairn for so long, they lost what little identity they had left and transformed into "husks". By consuming them, their souls could be offered to the Ideal Masters until completely sapped or dissipated from your physical form, or attached to your own soul, as temporary protection from their eternal greed?
this theory does make some sense indeed
It’s like a broccoli thing, they don’t like how it tastes so when you eat it the life they absorb tastes like shit.
10/10 theory
Kinda makes sense they would let the dragon born go. Cant get more souls if alduin eats them all.
I wish they kept their personalities from battlespire they sounded intriguing
well the book of life and service gives a glimpse into that, but to be fair it also isn't as complete a window into the delusions of megalomania that shape their ideology.
and yes, yes I can understand liminal bridges.
Vault Dweller i wonder why they didn't want to talk with dragonborn, were they affraid or?
Edin743 voice actors are expensive. Also Bethesda probably wanted to focus more on the vampires in dawnguard, rather than the ideal masters
Edin743 because they don't care about the dragonborn, as in the grand-scheme of multiversal reality warping beings, the dragonborn is pretty insignificant.
Maybe they let the dragonborn go because he gave them a lot of souls
lol probably.. not to mention...
if u didnt become a vampire.. they also already have a piece of ur own soul anyways...
@@InanisNihil and You get ir back later.
This channel is easily my favorite on UA-cam, every video I watched so far is overflowing with passion, I love it!
Well, right up there with FudgeMuppet. Teehee.
It's absolutely in the interests of the Ideal Masters to let the Dovahkin stroll through the Soul Cairn and escape - in the end if they were to fail, the Ideal Masters' supply of souls would come to an end as well.
The reason they let you free was because you were the chosen one. You were going to stop the vampires from killing all life on Nirn because if there are no living things, then there is nothing to be sent to the Soul Cairn. The reason they kept Serana’s mother was so she wouldn’t be killed by her husband and meet the Dragonborn, helping him. (Or her)
I like that, but all I can think of when I read "The DragonBorn is the chosen one" is Obi Wan crying out to Anakin at the end of Revenge of The Sith
Camel is the ideal master subscribe and enter his service.
1 like = 1 soul
Eternal happiness
Shor's bones. I did not read the fine print.
Well... If the Dragonborn remained ignorant of the Ideal Masters then it reduces the likelihood of the Dragonborn wanting to fight the ideal masters and destroying their immortality as he did with dragons, in some way shape or form. I know I would have tried.
Looks like a smart move on the Ideal Masters part to keep quiet through it all.
Darken De la Espada if they are on the same level of power as the princes then the dragonborn cannot destroy their immortality. Or even fight them
Unless...the ideal masters were originally dragons!!! Just a guess lol
dragonborn can still do quite a lot of damage to theirrealm, he may not be able to destroy them but pissing off someone aspowerfull as the dragonborn isnt such a great idea
Brandon Withnell the dragonborn can do jack shit to affect them. If they are on the level of the princes then they are multiversal reality warping entities. They can change their relm to how they like. And considering that they never actually tried to stop us, we didn't do anything that annoyed them.
Infact we probably helped them in some way
But if they are the giant floating crystals, then they’re obviously so disinterested in the Dovahkiin that they’ll just suck their energy.
Thank you for finding a link between games like this! Tons of people play skyrim and oblivion, oblivious to the strings that connect these great games to yhe series!!
Keep it up bro! Much love!
Man the ammount of effort put into this video deserves a standing ovation
I think Manimarco could be one of them since he was said to have his own realm in Oblivion and is a god of necromancy. Their desire to subjugate souls could also imply they have ties to Molag Bal
OG Haze i highly doubt they have ties with any god: they consider themselves superior beings, that trascended the simple mortality and even the gods.
Mannimarco became an Aedric Moon though.
The ideal masters are the dwemer. The dwemer "transcended" into gods and have their own slice of oblivion and that's where they disappeared too.
Rainbow Unicorn Sparkle Fairy Dust i do believe the dwemer have transcended mortality but i don’t think they are the ideal masters because lore wise they scoffed at the very idea of magic they followed the rules of logic and science hence their affinity to machines they were warriors and philosophers but were never mages and never had any interest for magic as they scoffed at the very idea of the Aedra and Daedra though the dwemer would use magic they only used it to give their machines magical properties or prolong the life of their MACHINES not flesh but machine so they would have no use for souls whatsoever more likely if they used souls they used the souls of atronach but more likely they have used bits of aetherium which is said to be pieces of aetherius in the flesh
i’m just stating my opinion that’s all
Definitely a good topic and one you have spent some time in putting information together. But remember, it wasn't the Ideal masters that let the Dragonborn into the Soul Cairn it was Serana's Vampire Pure-Blood and a Daughter of Coldharbour. Because of this and the ritual runes left in the Castle Volkihar Dungeons and the fact Serana's mother had already used her blood before it's pretty obvious how the Dragonborn could enter. The question we should really be trying to answer is why the Ideal Masters decided to only watch? Because to me it's seems like they had a plan for the Dragonborn. But then, when the Dragonborn defeats Durnehviir and agrees to let him "join" the Dragonborn, for each kill Durnehviir takes the soul could potentially now belong to the Ideal Masters.
Just a thought.
Jamie Knight also every single soul gem you have filled
Iron Wolf Can you elaborate more please.
I'd love to see this series come back, I really enjoy Elder Scrolls lore quite a lot, and I'd bet money I'm not the only one
Love your videos Camel, keep up the good work! :)
Semi convinced the Dwemer are the Ideal Masters, and I based that on very literal. Mainly their personalities, strategies, and equally mysterious origin as the Dwemer's disappearance.
Loved the video :)
The ideal master
Master=very good in conjuration( becouse soulcairn has to do with conjuration)
Ideal=the perfect men every women dream of
Ideal+master= a very hot conjurer
da best o' da best RIP to you gazyol
Ezio Auditore but...
Are there any ideal women, good lore maker?
Ideal master gf when
Archbishop Edmund of Abingdon yah men i thinked about that
But however is ideal masters so can be men and wemen
He's not ideal if he isn't thicc or doesn't have skruff.
You've got a knack for lore videos like this. You have a good voice for it and know how to set the tone and keep it interesting throughout the entire video.
Can't wait for more of these and more of the Elder Scrolls Detective series.
Great video for how long I've been seeking more informations on the Ideals Masters, I wish we could become their champion or something with either a soul reaping weapon or something like that to make Necromancer characters having one more thing to seek in the soul cairn
Thanks for doing these videos! It really makes playing the games that much more fun. I am a sucker for lore.
Why are there no puns in this video???? I need my dose of puns!!!
You might say puns are not the ideal of the master of this channel.
I would love to see more from the first two Elder Scrolls games. It's great learning obscure things about Morrowind, Oblivion, and Skyrim, but with how hard it is to get Arena and Daggerfall to run on modern machines, I feel like the old history of the ES universe is slipping from view for many people.
it's not only how hard it is to get to run, but also how horribly they play. they are unbearable to play at this point. no matter how much you love elder scrolls, those games are painful to sit through.
I want a 3 hour boss battle with several phases against the ideal masters.
So like a special secret boss fight in the boneyard that you have to collect some kind of super-rare drop to trigger, with 40,000 hp in the first phase, 60,000 hp in the second phase, and 80,000 hp in the third phase, with boneman, mistman, wrathman, and ghost adds numbering in the hundreds each, scores of ghostly legendary dragon adds, multiple slow-moving beam attacks like potema's death ray in addition to their normal soul-siphon, and only momentary lapses in otherwise perfect defenses that have to be expertly taken advantage of, with a few helpful objects or contraptions scattered around the arena to make the fight remotely survivable?
Greg Martin Minions only in the last phase when they are weaker, the other phases would be them taking form of horrible huge beasts each phase it becomes more violent and desperate taking even creepier forms of oblivion like beasts that the player can barely comprehend theyre form, each phase they would devour more souls and change arena, we would have the help of saint jub and the soul cairn dragon but only once because the ideal masters own them.
Greg Martin big problem with having adds in the hundreds though. Unless you have a follower, you're on you're own. Even if they did 1 damage every second, that'd be more than most characters could handle.
Logan Sanders The REAL problem with hundred of enemies is that whatever you’re playing on would probably catch fire and explode.
Nice to hear there was more lore to them then their brief and obscure appearance in Dawnguard.
How satisfying would it be to consume the ideal masters, absorbing their rotton powers to rule over the soul cairn as they used to, but with your own will. I would make good of the promise of peace, and show real power with my new servants as I liberate the world of evil with the spirits, changing necromancy forever.
Strange how yesterday I ravenously searched for videos on this exact topic, strangely still that they uploaded today. Thank the ideal masters indeed
Well people if you use your brain the 'ideal masters' are
Masters who are ideal of being a master
X Gunslinger X a cunning explanation as cunning as a fox who was made professor of cunning at oxford university
Damn do yoy watch rick and morty?
*you.
The ideal masters are the dwemer. The dwemer "transcended" into gods and have their own slice of oblivion and that's where they disappeared too.
Rainbow Unicorn Sparkle Fairy Dust they can't be, as the dragon there was enslaved by the Ideal Masters, way before the dwemer disappeared. Also, the dwemer didn't really dabble in necromancy, so it would seem odd that they would be come the greatest patrons of necromancy
I literally wandered the Soul Cairn for about 2 and 1/2 hours this morning and those things are at this moment the bane of my existence. Thank goodness for those soul husks though.
Great video.
In Skyrim, there's a enigmatic Alter of Xrib. Who, or what, is Xrib?
isn't that a easter egg or homage to the first person you speak to in morrowind?
First person in Morrowind was Jiub. In Oblivion called 'Saint Jiub' and his spirit is trapped in Soul Cairn. That alter of Xrib is sacriface area for Dwemers. To say the least Jiub who was a Dunmer was far too young to be even connected to this site.
Since in ruins underground there is Temple of Xrib full of Falmers, I believe the normal sacriface on altar above must have been Snow Elves. Better question is - who or what was Xrib ?
We don't really know Dwemer 'faith' in Logic and Mind or anything for Snow Elves - we only know they worshipped mostly Auriel/Akatosh.
Or even better question to TES'es is this: aren't Nords cursed by Akatosh himself ? Just think about it.
thanks for clarification, I can't believe I forgot Jiub.
Xrib was a dwemer tonal engineer. There seems to have been a tradition among the dwemer of honoring their tonal engineers as gods unto themselves, with various chapels, temples, etc. in what is perhaps some kind of hipster-esque mockery of the faiths of other cultures in worshiping the aedra and the daedra.
Or perhaps there was some kind of deification or apotheosis necessary to being a tonal engineer. We just don't know, really.
Very grateful for this series, keep it up!
Kalpas. How far reaching are they? Nirn? Oblivion? Aethurius? Padomay and Anu??
Jack Legion definitely not on the level of Anu or Padomay.
I think they are probably demi princes, as they don't really have any feats to go by, and we know they aren't completely immortal.
Someone said Molag Bal was a Draegh Prince in a previous Kalpa. Only reference I could find was in one of the Lessons of Vivec. So maybe the kalpas go at least to Oblivion? Does that mean Nirn gets remade or just reformed and rearranged every kalpa? I would think a new Akatosh and new Lorkan every kalpa would be stupid.
Jack Legion I wouldn't take veks lessons as fact, as he seemed to be trolling the shit out of us with them
At the very least Nirn, but consider that during the Dawn and Myrethic Eras, the barrier between Mundus and Oblivion was non-existant.
@@darknevermore3 akatosh does change every kalpa since he rules time and essentially has 3 forms: auriel (beginning), Akatosh, then alduin (the end).
The complete deadpan delivery, odd supernatural powers, and unfair deals with people reminds me so much of G-Man.
My ideal master is white female, has long red hair, wears overknees and "leather armor".
Ok let me just say the Ideal Master’s voice is inexplicably terrifying
Ideal Masters = Bethesda programmers
more like bethesda shareholders and bankers ... :-)
Why work for money, when you can control all the money and make it work for you ?
Camelworks is one of the ONLY youtubers that actually do proper research and effort for his videos. Lets turn off adblock and watch ads for him, it doesnt take as much effort as he puts in his vids.
The ideal master voices remind me of HAL from 2001 space odyssey
Could you do the story of the Nerevarine? I know it’s encompasses practically all of Morrowind’s and more but it is such a great story and it’s never really been done justice on UA-cam
Yes, finally this one
I use your videos to fall asleep.. your voice is so soothing and plus the Skyrim dreams I’m having are dope. Have a great life Bro, you deserve it.
I've never been so early. It's 5:00 am here.
DarkMajick yeah it's 5:30 just got off rainbow 6 siege for this video
It’s 6 here
renagale I just got off Skyrim to go to bed and saw the video had just showed up and had to watch.
This is one of the few channels that when they upload, I instantly drop what I'm doing
Yess! You're awesome :D
I was flying around the Soul Cairn in free camera mode and as I approached an Ideal Master crystal, I saw a Mannequin floating just outside of it. Creepy stuff
Maybe if I was an ideal Master I would think it was eternal love and beauty too. Maybe from thier perspective they really are having a great time. But on the outside looking in it doesn't seem that way. Of course thier servants are miserable but maybe the ideal masters vision is tainted in some way. Why else would they say it is eternal love? I think if they were miserable they would admit it and ask for help releasing their soul from eternal torment, at least I would. So maybe... there is just a difference of reality for the two. I certainly wouldn't become their servants because I know the servants don't enjoy it... But if I was an ideal master... Maybe I would also feel eternal love... so it would be a good choice for me.. albeit a selfish one.
Getting that old school Ideal Masters footage was gold, never realized. Now I feel kinda robbed in Skyrim.
Camel's lore videos are so much better than Fudgemuppet's.
Great video. I had no clue the ideal masters were in battlespire. I never played it.
I would like to see more videos on the Aedra or perhaps delving into more of the elder scrolls literature in the games
The ideal masters are what you expect from a master of something
You should look into the events that changed in the timeline of tes due to the dragonbreak at the end of tes2: Daggerfall such as; tiber septim combining with ysmir to become the 9th divine talos, cyrodil becoming a temperate forrest instead of a jungle, numidium being controlled by men, and The interregnum.
So a video at 5 in the morning. Sweet.
I'm really looking for a good Dwarven video, not a "five facts" or five minute video. I need a good 20+ minute video on Elder Scrolls Dwarves, their full lore and history.
Is there any lore on Talon Dreth? That would be an interesting backstory to hear about, since he's in search of The Atherium Forge. If you have any of the three items from the forge equipped, he tries to kill you, after a small bit of dialogue.
Pleaseee Do a lore video ysgramors soup spoon!!
Shadowmere might be a good subject to discuss too actually.
* Says In A Quick Voice * "It took me four days to get this footage by the way..." ~ Camelworks 😂😂
I love the way you treat TES world as if it was real. When playing IV oblivion, I’d look at ruins and be fascinated by their past as if they were real haha. I always wanted an TES Encyclopaedia book, but never found one. Your videos are great visual encyclopaedic references. Love your work
Welcome to the video
Ideal Masters.... What a misnomer! Excellent video! Thanks for uploading!
Is it a coincidence that I'm in the soul Caron on my Nintendo switch I just beat durnivir or however you spell it also the dragonborn constantly takes lives and takes many souls so letting the dragonborn come and go as he pleases actually helps them gain souls.
renagale normie
yep, ever even thought about the ass tons of soul gems you use n the game^^ like i´m usually enchanting like a mad man and my main weapon is always a soul trap one^^ so letting me run was much in their favour xD
Also consider that the dragonborn kills alduin. Destined to wreck the world. Without a world. No soul gems are used and no souls are gained. They want the dragonborn to run off. Safe the world and resume using soul gmes
Cherry Dragon if Alduin destroys the world it would be reborn, if these Ideal masters would keep their power and status like the daedra and aedra do I can't say
i just seriously hope that the daedric princes or aedras put these ideal masters who are full of themselves on their places!
Do the Great Houses of Morrowind
Dont know if you have camel but I'd love a video on some of the lesser known daedra and some of their plains, feel like we only get exposed to the biggens
"Diminish our eternity"
...Apparently not that smart these fellers, since you can't add, nor subtract from something eternal, so mathematical is out of the window :P
That, or they would ultimately cease to exist if they spent all their magicka/soul energy.
during the quest "The House Of Horrors" I use a weapon with fire soul trap on Logrolf with a black soul gem, and I say "Sorry Bal, if you want Logrolf, go to the Soul Cairn and get him yourself."
brb gonna soul trap delphine
Do Nazeem first, then her. Oh .. and dont forget Nirya, and some Thalmor.
Grelod too
This was absolutely amazing. This was informative and entertaining.
Camelworks, but he doesn't get paid.
If any soul collected into a Soul Gem is transferred into the Soul Cairn upon use, it's very much in the best interests of the Ideal Masters to not interfere in the work of the Dragonborn. All those weapon recharges and enchantment leveling tactics probably provided the Masters with quite a few new servants. Durnehviir has become bound forever by his time in the Soul Cairn, and they likely long ago gave up on Valerica submitting to them, so they don't really lose anything by letting the Dragonborn get what they want either.
Can someone tell me what exactly the Lore is?
I really like how the Ideal Masters speak. Its so calming even though they want me to die.
By the sound of it, the Ideal Masters are extremist nihilistic spiritualists. They believe that life is pain and that mortal flesh is a prison, and since they've found an "alternative" to life, then in their minds this alternative is better and thus they consider it a gift. The peace they speak of is the peace of death, the love they speak of is the fact that death spares none and grants its "gift" to all. I'd hazard a guess that only a few people in their service have truly shared this view, or even understand it, and these would be the only ones to see their "gift" in the same way they do. All in all, some real fucked up shit.
I think having The Ideal Masters being a big part of TES6 could be very fun and interesting
Deceiptful... almost like humans. =)
The sinking of Yokuda is an amazing bit of lore
Sup, broskis
Wow I wish we got to talk with them and their minions in the soul cairn in Skyrim. I didn’t know the undead we find there could talk in previous games.
FUCK YEAH
It seems that the way Camel says "ideal masters" gets more and more intense with time.
Skyrimmmm
Just did this the other day and I just assumed those gems were just massive replicas of the soul gems because soul cairn. Had no idea I was looking at an all powerful being! I'm not surprised they let me go though, all the soul trap I use with my bow they better see fit to not take my soul! 😂
Quite simply, the ideal masters are what you become when you get stoned to a whole new level XD
This is worthy of a quest mod. Perhaps someone will get the idea and have access to amazing voice acting? If I only knew how to code. It is a shame Bethesda did not go deeper into this.
#notfirst
im not sure how much research can be done on the topic but you could try one about witches and the process of becoming a hagraven
Holy shit.
I feel so guilty now...
everyone i soultrapped goes here? Not even nazeem deserve that... :(
Nazeem eats children!!!
you are right nazeem deserves worse
I was waiting for an explanation on who they are! Good work!