"The American dream dies and comes back as the American nightmare" is very fitting. Its even scarier when you see the people who do nothing but BD all day then only take them off to eat or shit then puts them back on. Its a horrible world.
It's even scarier if you look at all the mass shootings we have right now and just imagine what would happen if these maniacs were all chromed out like the Cyberpsychos.
What feels so messed up about the Cyberpunk universe is that it’s a more intense version of *our world.* All of a sudden I noticed plenty of parallels in crushing dreams and monetizing suffering at the cost of humanity and how insignificant and powerless we are to stop it. Fuckin scares me where our world is heading.
This, there’s moments where Johnny is talking about corporations becoming to powerful, poisoning the city/environment for just their own gain and at some point you’re like….oh wait that’s…kind of reality 😂 it just makes it hit so much harder
That's not the Cyberpunk 2020 / 2077 universe. That's the genre per se. A lot of good scifi (and fantasy) is actually addressing issues in our very own universe and time.
The media that displays the entire genre of cyberpunk is a warning to what our society could become, and we are continuing raoidly into such a society, now going out and calling out parallels will get you declared as either an conspiracy theorist or lunatic, so i advice get a nice drink and whst it happen because we aint stopping it
@zandaroos553 We don't have a liberal capitalist model, we have a mixed-econamy with Fascist and Socialist elements. Night city is not capitialitst in any meaningful sense, its corpo-fascist.
Exactly why I love the setting of Night City even more. The city is the star of the show, not you. You exist because you are not special, but because the city tolerates you. At any moment it can chew you up and spit you out. Lovely video.
Thank you! I only very recently realized that TTRPGs that have settings such as cyberpunk or let's say warhammer always something very special to say about our current world. The cyberpunk setting talks, amongst many different things, about capitalism rotting society and Warhammer talking about how xenophobia, extremism and racism will be the downfall of humanity. I never gave these settings the time of day in the past. I am glad I did now because not only is it fascinating and horrifying to realize the truths in these settings but...they are just so well thought out and honestly timeless.
@@ItsHawxtake a look at Shadowrun. It's a cyberpunk dystopia plus magic. There's dragons, orcs, dwarfs and also cyberware, corpos, and all the jist. One of my favourite settings!
say what you will but it's people that make the place what it is. it's people of night city who gave it such power, and they could easily take it back by leaving it, but they just don't. they keep consuming more and more of shit' the city' ptovides, 'the city' being nothing but other people who hold power.
I feel like it's easier to blame the city instead of blaming the body of people running the city and making it the way it is. People can't make that distinction irl and it's sad. Russia and North Korea aren't bad countries, they're just run by sh*t governments.
As bad as the Cyberpunk future is, there are some advantages. I'm disabled but in the future, if I'm one of the lucky ones, I could be healed with cyberware. Of course, the disabled look like they are treated very poorly so odds are that my circumstances would be worse. However, hope is a funny thing...
Or you could be like Slider in Phantom Liberty. Using technology and the net as an extension of yourself. You physically are disabled, but on the net, youre whole.
Well I hope that if cybernetics are a thing to that degree, that they won't be as costly as they are in NC. Though then again look at what america is doing with medicines compared to what those same medicines cost outside of america
@ItsHawx that is a good point. I wish CDPR adjusts their economy balance patch someday, reducing scratch gain from small stuff to force people to choose cyberware to buy. It was a thrill once to buy double jump. Now every corner is filled with Eddies. This breaks the corpo hell immersion
Technically speaking V is like the most legendary merc in all of NC. Not only did they take down arasaka on their own but they also killed adam smasher. They have a flawless record too so you being rich in the game makes sense@@koseorhun
I love the fact that there is a lottery for how many people died in a single day. People can literally gamble on how many lives are lost. Absolutely wild.
@@ItsHawxYeah it's called the body count lottery. In Phantom Liberty V made a comment on it themselves during one of the side jobs and if you preordered the DLC you get the Quadra R7 Vigilante through a text message saying you won the car through that same body count lottery.
I’m so happy after PL and 2.0 that Cyberpunk 2077 is getting the love it deserves. The game is one of the best I’ve ever played. Night City is amazing, beautiful, and scary. I never fast travel because of how beautiful the game is to drive around in.
It is almost as if a game is in working condition and the devs' promises are mostly brought to bear, people will give it the time of day :D I am glad the game is well received now. And honestly I am also glad for failing when it did, because there was clearly a lot of mismanagement at CDPR and that gave them a long overdue reality check. Let's hope they have learned their lesson and can keep making great games. I sure as hell would not mind getting to know about the Cyberpunk world
What's really unseen is that the scenario featured in the game is already happening in reality. Just that the version we have in reality is the boring, low-tech one.
"Low-tech" only to a point, we already are dependant on technology, if you do any travel anywhere you will be taking tech with you, you will use it, even if you think you arent, in todays world its already extremly hard to get away from technology, hell im typing away on my phone rn while sitting at my pc
as a native american from a reservation, playing cyberpunk 2077 just makes me think of how things already are in america lmao, don't need 50+ years in the future for a lot of the horrors of the modern world to be right around the corner
In cyberpunk you can buy insurance that makes you immune from legal punishment for vehicular manslaughter. The old Arasaka leader had plans to completely nuke all of Night City to prevent the chip from getting in the wrong hands. "No Russian" happened and it wasn't a tragedy, but a tool for the airport corpo to attack competition. There is so much evil shit that I could keep going and going, it's honestly amazing what the story writers did for the world building.
As someone who comes from a rural area I genuinely cannot stand big cities and how...they just show the worst parts of living somewhere. Without fail too.
Let's hope they aren't mandatory but like...cybernetics are cool! If I could like vocal cord implants to just change my voice at will, do you even know how good these videos would be????
im no essay writer so im not gonna write some deep analysis of the cyberpunk future n shit, but i js wanna say very good video choomfie, very underrated for such a high effort video
If I had a coin for each time I was called choomfie I would have 2 coins. Which isn't a lot but it is nice that it happened twice. Thank you tho! I still have a lot to improve on but it is always nice to hear ones efforts being appreciated
The CP2077 story-lines have been very carefully crafted and i think the input of the RPG creator Mike Pondsmith has been vital to the success of this. The storyline fits the genre so well, and its deep, rich and massively distopian. Night City feels alive, its like the starting sources of the Cyberpunk genre....Neuromancer by William Gibson, Do Android's dream electric sheep by Phillip K Dick and how that work was skillfully transformed into " Blade Runner" by Ridley Scott and Syd Mead (the films art director who sadly passed away in 2019). The place looks shiny and modern from a distance, but close up you can almost smell the trash and tase the pollution......in so many ways it the thing missing those parts that a computer game and VR just cant give us right now is the smell and taste of the city; imagine if BD was real and could give us that nightmare experience! I go as far as saying its probably the best computer game out there now, but the hardwear requirement mean that its expensive to get that full on experience it deserves to be played in.......i just wish I had that a 2k 4090 and not my RX6700 but its what my existing infrastructure could support when i bought it (the PSU needed upgrading which I have now done and ill have to save up now) But that is the only issue, these titles need serious graphics.
@@johnwaxman555 Then you should take a closer look at it again! Because the good Lord was very much involved in the development process! The only difference is your perceptiveness and your understanding. It's like reading a book: everyone will have different images in mind. CP2077 was very close to the original and we will be again in the planned sequel.
If you want to enjoy the game to the fullest and perhaps don't have the financial means for a high-end PC, I can absolutely recommend trying out "gamestreaming services". I don't want to spend thousands of euros on a PC so that I can have peace and quiet for another 2 years, so I play CP via GForceNow, which works incredibly well!
@@theVlKlNGR Took a close look at it already, mate, and it's a horrid mess. It's not a matter of perception/understanding/etc; it's a change(deliberate?) for the worse.
BDs are to a lesser extend a real thing, BDs are in universe just their version of pornographic material And in my time on the internet i have seen some absolutly traumatic shit, so the depravity is already there, the things thats missing is the technology to display it
I wouldn't even call it beautiful. It is dirty, full of smog, ads everywhere, violence everywhere, seeing the sky is hard and the stars is impossible, food is mostly synthetic and only the rich get the actual natural food. I don't even know what about it I would call beautiful. The city itself is a horror. A living breathing all consuming horror. Also thank you for the sub!
i just found your account and i must say, you have some of the most profound and interesting think pieces i have ever come across on a youtube channel. instant sub. keep going man, i believe you can go very far with youtube.
fun fact idk how many people might have noticed: when you meet Jefferson for the last time in the Peralez's questline you can spot Mr. Blue Eyes across the way watching you
A very great delve into a fantastic game. My only complaint is that the video doesn't disclose that there might be spoilers. Luckily, I played the game quite a bit, but it would've been nice to have some warning, for the poor sods who haven't got a clue about the game. It took me a couple tries and for Edgerunners to drop, to fully get on board. It wasn't helped that the game was a hot mess at launch, but the game we have now is honestly what we should've gotten, and very much worth the time nowadays. My only gripe is that I can't suplex people with the Gorilla Arms. Everything else is pretty alright or stellar. What a world they present to us though.. I can see why the game took so much time to come out. So much effort was sunk into making Night City feeling as alive as it does.. And as miserable to live in, as it does. It's a terrible time to live in, but equally as fascinating to study it all in depth. Ironically, the best part of this bleak future seems to lie with the Nomads. The wastes aren't any more hospitable, but you're typically free from most of the bullshit the city would throw at you. You're pretty much free from the shackles the city would place upon you. And they have cool rides and jackets too, so it's easily the best scenario you could find yourself in. Although I'd just want the jacket, myself.
For some odd reason what I find the most dystopian about NC is the loud and obnoxious ads everywhere you go. No matter what sort of horrific thing you just experienced there is next to no place for you to find quiet solace. Corpos are invading our very own personal space and blasting loud ads, some of which are pornographic, in public spaces with children. In game, shooting the monitors doesn't shut them off. The devs really wanted to hammer home just how invasive these pernicious corpos are.
Corps already know a lot about you, the moment you have anything that records, the moment you create your first email and password, you are logged and info is gathered and sold, we are a product, and the way we are headibg its only going to get worse, technology has uts pros but if you really think about it, does it actually out weight the massive cons? Not that it matters sicne we are already an open book at this point
You definitely should have done some research into the DLC and more specifically, the DLC ending. You still have lots of these themes that you mentioned, but the DLC ending gives one extra layer of complexity. Spoiler warning for those who havent played it yet. In that ending, V actually lives. Its the only ending where V is capable of making it out with his/her life. However, it costs V the life they currently have. V is no longer able to take any implants whatsoever and trying to use any will instantly kill em. Now why is this important? Well think back all the way to Dexter Deshawn. Remember what he says at the very beginning of the game? “Would you rather go out young in a blaze of glory, or live long smellin like your own urine?” This conversation hits so hard after playing the DLC because now you finally get it. After everything you FINALLY get the chance to choose what you do with your life. The question is, was it worth it?
@@ItsHawx now now lets not get hasty, we will finish what johnny started when I live in the dumps of arasaka tower. We will name it the reckoning electric boogaloo
yea man, behind the shops, neon signs and action there is a depressing and cruel reality, as JSH put it destruction of the human spirit. and it becomes more terrifying to know that this is our near future, we are definitely heading in this direction fast.
I didnt tell Jefferson in my second run, cause if you tell him, he becomes insane and the guys behind it, probably just get someone new, maybe it isnt his life, and he ultimately has no choice what to do, but atleast its a good life.
Bro… when the American dream went to die and come back as the American nightmare, is one of the best lines/descriptions I’ve ever herd for night city. If it wasn’t in the game it should have been lol.
There is a lingering sadness due to Edgerunners But honestly david got what was coming to him. He thought he was special. Like a big fish in a small pond
laughing at the small montage of the evil in NC where its: Gangs warring in the street, a twisted serial killer turning confused boys in cattle and you absolutely decimating an innocent bystander going 85mph in NC's version of a Bugatti.
Dawg night city is horrible there this one spot near the badlands basically a human trafficking ring rang by maelstrom and some guy went there and found is daughter being sold and died of a heart attack
I'm dreading the future our children will see, as people mistake Cyberpunk for a vision, not a dystopia. At the same time, I had a talk with my husband about what we want to do if we get old, and for example need aid in daily tasks. There's a whole discussion about aided suicide, or stopping the machines from keeping you alive. For me, going blind would be a reason to go. I love to read, to watch nature, to play games. If I can't see the world anymore, if audio is all that's left, I'm not sure I want it. But if there's cybernetics... Optic implants, or a chip allowing me to be in a VR, as I lay down in my hospital bed? I'd take that. Given that I already have artificial lenses in my eyes, why not exchange them with some that can show me AR? And while we're at it: my left knee might needs replacement... Next thing you know is people getting a cyberarm instead of a cast. And before we know it, some rockerboy will climb on a stage, and plant a nuke.
you just... didn't pay attention to the entire phone call with his mom or notice that this was in your quest log? this is not like... a side quest that you have to look for, it literally comes to you
I chose Panam to help and Saul died. But she told me they could get me patched up in Arizona. But CDPR didn't finish that ending. They left it and made Phantom Liberty which had nothing to do with the end of the game that they had presented to us. Reminds me of the Far Cry DLC's. Bull shite that has nothing to do with the real story. Far Cry New Dawn should have been the DLC for FC5.
Well the Phantom Liberty DLC is supposed to be an extra chapter within the cyberpunk story Not supposed to be connected to the ending as it is meant to come before it. The ending with panam is an open end, hinted at to be a false hope so it is kinda already done
@@ItsHawx "hinted at to be a false hope so it is kinda already done" Really???? Johnnie was going to replace you and live out a life in your body. Alt replaced the Johnnie ingram on the shard with your ingram which should have overwritten Johnnie. You should have been healed at that point. But NOOOOOO, CDPR had to make it so you need to find one more solution. Then they didn't finish it. Now I read that there is a new ending. "Panam was always someone that trust issues, V disappears for 2 years. She was hurt, and like Mitch said it took a long time for Panam to get over it, she just doesn't want to get hurt again. Even if it's not your fault, she spent 2 years hurting, not even a perfectly good reason can heal that time." So they not only didn't finish the ending. They came back and took a fat shite on it.
@@ItsHawx They did what a AA (yes two, not three) studio does. Released a trainwreck. Swapped team leads, abandoned the original concept. Broke the immersion of players they had originally disappointed and want to charge them $30 for content that they think should have been there. I was going to go back and do a new playthrough with the patches and Phantom Liberty. But no Choom, Eff CDPR. Media says they redeemed themselves??? By digging the hole deeper???? I honestly hate to say this but I will go back to Starfield. At least the modders will add proper content, I'm one of them so I know. Do not think that I am a hater. Played the game 400 hours and my character was waiting in AZ for a dlc. I doubt I will ever buy another CDPR game.
Don't know why you expected a clear happy ending. This is Cyberpunk. It's supposed to be sad and depressing. But you can imagine a better ending. I chose the ending where V goes to space and I like to believe that MR. Blue eyes finds a way to save her
(It's a big comment, i didn't made a TLDR so thanks to the readers. Also : Big Spoilers Ahead.) What's funny and it's in the other comment - it's that it's already reality. It all depends on your point of view and it's absolutely the point of the story. For example, the Temperance ending is considered by many as the really only good ending. But it's absolutely false. This is too binary for a game like this. All of the plot revolves about individuality - V as a merc is already seeing horrors and is mostly familiar with these things. In game you can even uncover horrid plots like the Biotechnica Protein Farm with Aldecaldos. (I'll let you look on this one) All of the game will make you go through these things to sap your morale. The real thing that Johnny says throughout the game and that V can't even stomach himself/herself is betraying yourself. Your values and what makes you, you. This is represented by Dexter DeShawn at the beginning of your game : How do you wanna die, as nobody, or as a legend? What mark will you let on this world? That's why the ending got pretty much describing names, let's have a little walk through it : - The Devil (Arasaka). Selling your soul to Arasaka is the worse choice possible. In the end you betray Johnny but most of all, you betray yourself and let Arasaka win, EVEN if Johnny goes with your body. In essence Johnny is already dead, him being here is not even an accurate 100% representation of himself (the Relic Documentation ingame tells it), and him being here and leaving Night City means that essentially Arasaka made him live. So Johnny fought for naught, V too, cause he died either of going past the Black Wall, or of Nanites modifying his DNA and killing him 6 months after. The Devil represents this ending good, because you went againt everything you believed and fought for. - The Star (Aldecaldos). People tend to think it's the best ending, but it's not. As mentioned, V will die either way, Johnny or not, because the Relic transformed his DNA with Nanites. Going with the Aldecaldos just makes you die and erase Johnny, and in the end you flee, you do not die as a legend, but as a loved nobody. It was my first ending, but that's not where the game's morale will play the most. This is why it's "The Star", you die peacefully. A night shining because of the star, but the Sun, hope, is still already set. - Temperance is letting Johnny take V's body. This is for me, the worst ending possible even if it's satisfying for Johnny. Johnny leaves Night City to begin a new life well deserved, yes, but he also lets down his fight and flame, this is why EVERYONE is pissed at you when the ending calls come in All Along the Watchtower. Even if V and Johnny agree on this, this is basically hyper fucked because it means that everyone that sacrificed for Johnny did it for naught, and his fight, and why he fought vanishes along with him. It's why it's Temperance : retaining yourself to live for your friend. Sacrifice. I won't even talk about Phantom Liberty : (spoilers ahead) If you get the Relic removed with Reed treatment, you become a nobody, and even worse, people let you down because you got out of their lives. It's truly a Phantom Liberty - you are free, but you payed with your whole identity. Johnny is gone, but you're too, and you become a face in the faceless mass of people. - The Sun is the best ending. Either going with Rogue or alone in the (Don't Fear) The Reaper ending makes V a legend of the Afterlife. What he craved with Jackie, but he also TKO Arasaka on one swift assault, making Johnny's dream partially true. But it's after that is important ; You becoming the best merc of Night City and being the boss of the Afterlife lends you not only ton of money but also connections and reputation, two things that are heavily needed when you are dying of an unknown sickness. You get the Crystal Palace gig by the Blue Eyed Man, which in what i understand leads you to not only get a cure, but avenge/liberate Johnny (as you hear "Never Fade Away" while going to the Space Station). And if it's not that, well, hope is still on the table even without the Crystal Palace, as heard in the ending on TV's, Biodyne is at the end of the game testing healing procedures with Nanites, something that could potentially cure V as it's the same thing that made him dying in the first place. The Sun ending is hope. It's V continuing what he always did : Fighting. And he's even more than just V after Johnny SIlverhand. Cyberpunk 2077 is a really good RPG because the endings are nuanced enough for you to believe you did the right choice when in reality you absolutely didn't - it's a world that is really binary, with a lot of black everywhere, but the writing do something incredible : Bring you back to the gritty and hard reality, as in life. We tend to see things bigger than they are, may it good or bad, and we get hit in the face when reality decides to slap you. It's even reinforced by the fact that the game is played in 1st person, and not in third like in The Witcher. In The Witcher, Jaskier is actually telling the story to the player. He is the narrator. In Cyberpunk you ARE V, you LIVE the story. As what i said in the start : Cyberpunk is in a sense already true. Big Corporation using "Human Resources" to get to more power over a market and moreover the world, big cities where crime becomes just worse with time, horrible future wars that will make millions participate and die, but also just living is hard - being someone that you like yourself, that people like, having a stable life and just live is already a big feat in this world. Lots, and really i say LOTS, of people are struggling already with how hard it is today. Cyberpunk is just making things at another scale, in bigger, and more obvious.
Hmmm...This makes me wanna redo the game and go for the sun ending. To your last paragraph: "Lots, and really i say LOTS, of people are struggling already with how hard it is today." I feel like the ending where you end it all, you know the one that uses the word youtube is afraid of, really shows how ones' struggles sadly just get drowned out and may just be brought up during a short flash, in which the wider world may just care about you for a short period of time maybe in the news or something akin to that. Not because you mattered to them but just because it would get them numbers. Just like the shot sound in the ending. I really appreciate the long comment! It always makes my day to see that people like to share their thoughts in such detail
Biodyne nanites won't matter as during the procedure with the phantom liberty ending, Reed mentions that using nanobots wasn't an option to heal V as the stage of their disease is too far in effect. Also the phantom liberty ending hints that maybe in fact they could have healed V and kept their cyberware active but deliberitly removed it on the presidents orders, as a sort of "I know what there capable of and there a loose Canon, time to cut there wings" sorta thing, ontop of the two year coma exacerbating the time of the disease being active it be impossible for Vik to know whether it was the disease or the procedure that's doomed V to being non cybernetic. In the Sun ending I think the miracle cure Mr blue eyes is offering is essentially a new body and relic/Ai transfer, in return for the space heist. Lots of hints towards Mr blue eyes and his organisation being rougue Ai inhabiting or ordering people, getting ready for the upcoming war that will inevitably happen when the black wall collapses or goes rogue. Think basiclly all the endings are meant to be bad/bitter sweet in the end, like in real life you can't cheat death no matter how hard you fight, sure extend your time by looking for solutions and maybe get a few days or years more, but in the end we all including V are dying from a disease called time, its just up to us to try and have a say on how we go out.
@@Kilo_23 It's coming from Myers, obviously. The game resolves too much about Corporations to not be her doing - that's why BioDyne solution COULD but i just say COULD be another solution in "The Sun". But that's theory, so, we won't know for sure clearly. The game is meant though to save yourself, not the world, it's the basics of a Cyberpunk world and of the style itself, so i do agree with you on the point that all ends are bittersweet. In "The Sun" ending (which i deem the best), Judy if romanced says something that has got very much sense : "You're always going to have a goal, no matter what, one after another" (don't have the line in English, mb if it's not exactly that) V is "doomed" from the start. Not to not live but to fight for his/her survival. Yes, we get more time. Are we cured though? No. That's why i think that the Sun is the best ending : it's the one where you topple Arasaka which is the best for Johnny, symbolically speaking. But you got resources and mean to have more time for your own self. Seeing that the span of the game is over a few weeks or about two months - we can only imagine what can V accomplish now with even more time. Maybe we'll see in Project Orion :)
We already see corpo T.o.S starting to override national laws. Corpo security was starting to get more ‘rights’ at the same time NCPD was scaling down. We’re already seeing the start of this, and it’ll be worse than Cyberpunk 2077 in real world 2037.
All the endings show it's a "no win scenario" for this character, if you were looking for a "happy ending where you get everything you want" it's not in this game- it reflects a life in flux. So each ending give you something, with the exception of the "Devil" where you betray everything you fight for. In some reflection the Phantom liberty ending gives you the one option that was missing, the question from Dexter Deshawn do you want to be "a dead legend at 30" or "live into old age smelling slightly of urine"...... But you then lose everything, connections you built, your friends and lovers who have moved on ( or who have so much rage that they never want to see you again) ...in some way if there was an option I'd like to see is V just join Misty and just leave the city with her.
As far as Peralez goes, in the world of Night City i think its still the best to tell them the truth. Lies tend to find themselves revealed eventually its better that a third party reveal now than a first party revealing later as a means to control or topple the politician.
If you want to avoid emotional damage in the future dont consume Polish books, games or movies. Pain and misery is in our blood and any story we are going to tell you will be filled with it. Advice. Dont touch Frostpunk if you want to avoid emotional damage. From the mechanics, thru the story and finishing on the games concept - its just cruel. Its intended to make you suffer as much as possible.
I get what you're saying, but remember, Cyberpunk wasn't created by CDPR. They just made Cyberpunk 2077. Cyberpunk itself was created by American writer Mike Pondsmith.
@@thememester1190 lol, you may wanna dig deeper into it, because what you just wrote down is just crap ^^ (not saying that CDPR created the genre) You know that the bells are ringing, but you dont know in which church. Such an insane oversimplification, not to mention that it has next to zero to do with my comment :) Anyway, the genre (including the nomenclature) emerged before Pondsmiths contribution to it - just as clarification.
The lil gig where you confront the dad n son selling the bds, killing the father you read a shard of how the dad is fucked and involved his son into the job, the son was just innocent
Ok but how would you get to the top of a megabuilding? Those are usually reserved for the wealthier people. You'd have to pay. Which you most likely could not afford. So you'd have to work to get up there, which means you would have to get yourself together to get that work done. Meaning you most likely wouldn't be ABLE to do that anyway
@@ItsHawx "alt-f4'ing life" seems trivially easy in the city to be honest, just looking at how the cops react to a little fender bender :') Or just go for a walk in certain districts and look at the wrong guy for a second too long and you get iron in your face.
So what you said about the choices not mattering from a game POV Night City also not caring is so true. The NCPD mostly care about order over actually solving crimes to the point if you killed someone but the scene has calmed down the NCPD still celebrated restored order didn’t give a fuck about the crime.
Ahh yes companies that the Ferengi might consider too obsessed with profit/image. Personally I would have appreciated more missions with Jackie so the *player* forges an actual connection with him.
3:22 I find it weird that in 2.0 and on, they made the trash bins for hiding bodies go from the CHOICE of lethal or non-lethal hiding the body to ONLY lethal, so if you dont want to kill the guy the body will be found by doing rear takedown (made much easier in 2.0), WTF? Why do this? Of course V is a mass murderer but if you only do NCPD missions, its justified in some ways, on the other hand CDPR gives no consequences for Farming enemies, which would be easy for them to do just by making it a police star or 2 for random killing of gang members at any spot that is not an NCPD mission. Oddly enough in earlier versions if you used a Sniper from outside the NCPD mission playground you did get a star. There are so many decisions you make and they all are not black and white, good and bad, there are almost no completely moral decisions you can make as all outcomes are bad for somebody. Death is everywhere and the whole portrayal of a future where the graphitti is "no future" is obvious in its intentions. But....for a combat style game its right up there with thrilling examples of making your avatar completely OP and having frantic smooth gameplay. 3:55 What would you do if you were Yorinobu? He knows his fathers plan is to take over his sons body by developing the Relic tech. Notice in CP PL that they state that the body has to be acceptable to the Relic host, (didn't seem to be a problem with Johnny who was no relation to V however but...why make any sense of reality, its a game). 6:30 CDPR should have given you the choice after doing the dont fear the reaper or other endings to NOT have Alt use soulkiller on you and leave as Johnny would take over Vs body but V's soul would still be intact and eventually V would die with his soul, and Johnny would die and not become a part of the AI that is Alt. BUT.... they didn't give you that option as Johnny tells you Alt already lit you up with Soulkiller and separated the 2 of you. And only then can you give Johnny your body if you choose.
Cyberpunk was cool in the 80s and 90s but in the current day it's just a glorification of the awful society we have in reality today, minus most of the technological advantages.
I wouldn't say it glorifies any of what we have today. It cranks the awful meter to 11 in the "future" to essentially tell a cautionary tale. Our issues now include issues that didn't exist in the 80s and 90s or weren't as severe back then.
That's a low sub count for a video as well thought out as this one! Well, you got one more now. My thoughts on the entire Cyberpunk setting is that frankly, we're getting there IRL. And I think many of us feel that happening, even if some of us really don't want to admit it. It's a deep seated despair on a future we have entirely zero control over. We're already living in a world with people so unimaginably rich, that if they were to wish a certain societal issue to be gone, they could make it so. But instead, all they seem to care about is "line go up". Capitalism had some benefits in the past, but in this modern day it's devolving into a cancerous tumor. Take, take, take. Consequences be damned. And ... jeez, that clip of the XBD recording studio. That's harsh man. I popped 'em both so that they wouldn't have to remain alone. Just taking out the son and not the father... that voice actor was doing a great job.
@@ItsHawx A UA-camr like you who got started a long time ago (like 10y at this point I believe) documenting the tropes and such of many video games throughout time. Recommend you look him up.
Good god now I feel honored to have my voice compared to his. His vids are pretty high effort though. Mine don't really hold a candle to what he does. But thanks for the mention! I think I could learn a thing or two by watching his stuff and taking notes@@perhapsyes2493
I’d be a trauma team member no question but like the one from dogtown who didn’t care if you had platinum coverage gold coverage whatever if you needed help I’d be there tho I wouldn’t live in NC I’d live out in the badlands and only venture to NC for biz
And I don't think they'd let you so far from the city, since that would severely limit your working schedule. And, as if that's not enough, it's not safe in Badlands for entire tribes of nomads, let alone loners.
He didn’t, look up on the cyberpunk wiki what really happened. He was there to save alt from the net and died in the process, he actually rewrote his memory. It was a militech op that was only supposed to blow the nuke at the lowest level to drop the tower, but it messed up and blew too high up. But, he still has no remorse for this nuke that he believes he did blow, so no matter what he’s insane, but he is not guilty of that crime.
This is my issue with cyberpunk. It depicts a cartoonishly cynical view of human nature that is needlessly hopeless and depressing. In most other rpg settings, there's a sense of hopefulness and optimism that you could take on anything, but one of the basic principles of the cyberpunk genre is that the bad guys always win in the end. Darkness is meant to be juxtaposed with light, but cyberpunk is nothing but darkness.
Well I mean some settings are meant to be like that. Not all settings HAVE to have the protagonists prevail in the end. To struggle, to wail against the inevitability of your end is the point. A happy end in these settings means living a life that you don't hate. A similar setting (depressing I mean) is warhammer 40k. While it has glimpses of hope and a chance for a better tomorrow these are just that: glimpses. These type of settings revel in the struggle of living. There are settings akin to cyberpunk that portray a more hopeful and enlightened humanity. But they are far from the same
The only real evil one in this game/story is this so called "bestest friend of the world" who dies cause of his gonk moves and also wants to take you with him by planting this weak gonk of silverhand into you. I blame him for everything cause it all goes down at the first time you meet this gonk. The only way to save yourself is to go back to glory araksa company, wait for a new body and then finally reach the top of the mountain.
Nice vid, choom. I wouldn't mind if you dive in to do a series like this about CP2077, or even the genre of cyberpunk as a whole. Cool watch, and keep on chippin' in!
@@ItsHawx Basically just talking about the intricasies of how cyberpunk is usually and will most likely always be somber with the feeling of no hope. But also... kind of hopeful? If that makes sense, haha.
Def an interesting idea for the future. There is the tabletop game and phantom liberty I can still look into. I do have another cyberpunk themed video in the works. Different game though. I will keep it in mind! Thank you for the interest!
"The American dream dies and comes back as the American nightmare" is very fitting. Its even scarier when you see the people who do nothing but BD all day then only take them off to eat or shit then puts them back on. Its a horrible world.
Gamers be like:
@@ItsHawx😅
It's even scarier if you look at all the mass shootings we have right now and just imagine what would happen if these maniacs were all chromed out like the Cyberpsychos.
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Check out pictures of New York at night. We've already surpassed this hellscape in a lot of ways.
What feels so messed up about the Cyberpunk universe is that it’s a more intense version of *our world.* All of a sudden I noticed plenty of parallels in crushing dreams and monetizing suffering at the cost of humanity and how insignificant and powerless we are to stop it. Fuckin scares me where our world is heading.
This, there’s moments where Johnny is talking about corporations becoming to powerful, poisoning the city/environment for just their own gain and at some point you’re like….oh wait that’s…kind of reality 😂 it just makes it hit so much harder
That's not the Cyberpunk 2020 / 2077 universe. That's the genre per se. A lot of good scifi (and fantasy) is actually addressing issues in our very own universe and time.
Time to read about other political ideologies!
The media that displays the entire genre of cyberpunk is a warning to what our society could become, and we are continuing raoidly into such a society, now going out and calling out parallels will get you declared as either an conspiracy theorist or lunatic, so i advice get a nice drink and whst it happen because we aint stopping it
@zandaroos553 We don't have a liberal capitalist model, we have a mixed-econamy with Fascist and Socialist elements. Night city is not capitialitst in any meaningful sense, its corpo-fascist.
Exactly why I love the setting of Night City even more. The city is the star of the show, not you. You exist because you are not special, but because the city tolerates you. At any moment it can chew you up and spit you out. Lovely video.
Thank you!
I only very recently realized that TTRPGs that have settings such as cyberpunk or let's say warhammer always something very special to say about our current world. The cyberpunk setting talks, amongst many different things, about capitalism rotting society and Warhammer talking about how xenophobia, extremism and racism will be the downfall of humanity.
I never gave these settings the time of day in the past. I am glad I did now because not only is it fascinating and horrifying to realize the truths in these settings but...they are just so well thought out and honestly timeless.
@@ItsHawxtake a look at Shadowrun.
It's a cyberpunk dystopia plus magic. There's dragons, orcs, dwarfs and also cyberware, corpos, and all the jist.
One of my favourite settings!
say what you will but it's people that make the place what it is. it's people of night city who gave it such power, and they could easily take it back by leaving it, but they just don't. they keep consuming more and more of shit' the city' ptovides, 'the city' being nothing but other people who hold power.
I feel like it's easier to blame the city instead of blaming the body of people running the city and making it the way it is. People can't make that distinction irl and it's sad. Russia and North Korea aren't bad countries, they're just run by sh*t governments.
As bad as the Cyberpunk future is, there are some advantages. I'm disabled but in the future, if I'm one of the lucky ones, I could be healed with cyberware. Of course, the disabled look like they are treated very poorly so odds are that my circumstances would be worse. However, hope is a funny thing...
Or you could be like Slider in Phantom Liberty. Using technology and the net as an extension of yourself. You physically are disabled, but on the net, youre whole.
In reality, only disabled people will have the incetive to chrome, probably
Well I hope that if cybernetics are a thing to that degree, that they won't be as costly as they are in NC. Though then again look at what america is doing with medicines compared to what those same medicines cost outside of america
@ItsHawx that is a good point. I wish CDPR adjusts their economy balance patch someday, reducing scratch gain from small stuff to force people to choose cyberware to buy. It was a thrill once to buy double jump. Now every corner is filled with Eddies. This breaks the corpo hell immersion
Technically speaking V is like the most legendary merc in all of NC. Not only did they take down arasaka on their own but they also killed adam smasher. They have a flawless record too so you being rich in the game makes sense@@koseorhun
A wise man once told me "You can't choose how you die, But you can choose how you live!" This is how I always play V. Truly excellent video my man.
Thank you!
I love the fact that there is a lottery for how many people died in a single day. People can literally gamble on how many lives are lost. Absolutely wild.
the fuck? for real? what the actual fuck
So thats why the narrator in the intro announces the death count as "steady thirty"
@@ItsHawxYeah it's called the body count lottery. In Phantom Liberty V made a comment on it themselves during one of the side jobs and if you preordered the DLC you get the Quadra R7 Vigilante through a text message saying you won the car through that same body count lottery.
I’m so happy after PL and 2.0 that Cyberpunk 2077 is getting the love it deserves. The game is one of the best I’ve ever played. Night City is amazing, beautiful, and scary. I never fast travel because of how beautiful the game is to drive around in.
It is almost as if a game is in working condition and the devs' promises are mostly brought to bear, people will give it the time of day :D
I am glad the game is well received now. And honestly I am also glad for failing when it did, because there was clearly a lot of mismanagement at CDPR and that gave them a long overdue reality check.
Let's hope they have learned their lesson and can keep making great games. I sure as hell would not mind getting to know about the Cyberpunk world
You want terror? Actual terror? Okay. Night City canonicaly has no bacon and no cheese.
Real meat is illegal.
It's so over
You've captured the existential horror that I've always thought about while playing Cyberpunk 2077. I look forward to your content.
Might I recommend my Ghostrunner 2 video? 😂
Thank you for your kind words!
What's really unseen is that the scenario featured in the game is already happening in reality. Just that the version we have in reality is the boring, low-tech one.
I mean the fact that this game, the board game and various related media exist kinda shows that it is in fact VERY seen
"Low-tech" only to a point, we already are dependant on technology, if you do any travel anywhere you will be taking tech with you, you will use it, even if you think you arent, in todays world its already extremly hard to get away from technology, hell im typing away on my phone rn while sitting at my pc
as a native american from a reservation, playing cyberpunk 2077 just makes me think of how things already are in america lmao, don't need 50+ years in the future for a lot of the horrors of the modern world to be right around the corner
LOL BROS INDIAN
Look, the biggest evil I see is the fact that im addicted to it currently.
In cyberpunk you can buy insurance that makes you immune from legal punishment for vehicular manslaughter. The old Arasaka leader had plans to completely nuke all of Night City to prevent the chip from getting in the wrong hands. "No Russian" happened and it wasn't a tragedy, but a tool for the airport corpo to attack competition. There is so much evil shit that I could keep going and going, it's honestly amazing what the story writers did for the world building.
There's no easy way out, and big cities are getting more and more in reality as a night city. Sad
As someone who comes from a rural area I genuinely cannot stand big cities and how...they just show the worst parts of living somewhere. Without fail too.
Hopefully we won’t have to get cybernetic implants just to survive 😅
Let's hope they aren't mandatory but like...cybernetics are cool! If I could like vocal cord implants to just change my voice at will, do you even know how good these videos would be????
the relic be like: *I'm gonna bring you back to life only to kill you slowly and painfully*
Life is already dystopian, the tech will catch up
The missions you do for el capitan show the dangers very well to, just drinking water could kill you
The unseen evil of Cyberpunk is unregulated Capitalism
Nah regulated or not capitalism is the evil
im no essay writer so im not gonna write some deep analysis of the cyberpunk future n shit, but i js wanna say very good video choomfie, very underrated for such a high effort video
If I had a coin for each time I was called choomfie I would have 2 coins. Which isn't a lot but it is nice that it happened twice.
Thank you tho! I still have a lot to improve on but it is always nice to hear ones efforts being appreciated
"I can't quick hack with tears in my eyes" Song birds ending hurt only a little.... just, a little..
No idea who song bird is.
But I am about to change that
Honestly all cyberpunk stories are like that, it's how the genre is defined across media. Cp77 reminded me a lot of Neuromancer in a way.
Man...Cyberpunk somehow manages to depress me even more than even the Warhammer setting cuz Cyberpunk is way more realistic and well...less heroism
The CP2077 story-lines have been very carefully crafted and i think the input of the RPG creator Mike Pondsmith has been vital to the success of this. The storyline fits the genre so well, and its deep, rich and massively distopian.
Night City feels alive, its like the starting sources of the Cyberpunk genre....Neuromancer by William Gibson, Do Android's dream electric sheep by Phillip K Dick and how that work was skillfully transformed into " Blade Runner" by Ridley Scott and Syd Mead (the films art director who sadly passed away in 2019). The place looks shiny and modern from a distance, but close up you can almost smell the trash and tase the pollution......in so many ways it the thing missing those parts that a computer game and VR just cant give us right now is the smell and taste of the city; imagine if BD was real and could give us that nightmare experience!
I go as far as saying its probably the best computer game out there now, but the hardwear requirement mean that its expensive to get that full on experience it deserves to be played in.......i just wish I had that a 2k 4090 and not my RX6700 but its what my existing infrastructure could support when i bought it (the PSU needed upgrading which I have now done and ill have to save up now)
But that is the only issue, these titles need serious graphics.
Mate, cdpr's adaptation is simply bad. Don't think that this pondsmith was involved all that much.
@@johnwaxman555 Then you should take a closer look at it again! Because the good Lord was very much involved in the development process!
The only difference is your perceptiveness and your understanding. It's like reading a book: everyone will have different images in mind.
CP2077 was very close to the original and we will be again in the planned sequel.
If you want to enjoy the game to the fullest and perhaps don't have the financial means for a high-end PC, I can absolutely recommend trying out "gamestreaming services".
I don't want to spend thousands of euros on a PC so that I can have peace and quiet for another 2 years, so I play CP via GForceNow, which works incredibly well!
@@theVlKlNGR Took a close look at it already, mate, and it's a horrid mess. It's not a matter of perception/understanding/etc; it's a change(deliberate?) for the worse.
BDs are to a lesser extend a real thing, BDs are in universe just their version of pornographic material
And in my time on the internet i have seen some absolutly traumatic shit, so the depravity is already there, the things thats missing is the technology to display it
Night City is beautiful and terrifying, Great video chum😅, new sub.
I wouldn't even call it beautiful. It is dirty, full of smog, ads everywhere, violence everywhere, seeing the sky is hard and the stars is impossible, food is mostly synthetic and only the rich get the actual natural food. I don't even know what about it I would call beautiful.
The city itself is a horror. A living breathing all consuming horror.
Also thank you for the sub!
i just found your account and i must say, you have some of the most profound and interesting think pieces i have ever come across on a youtube channel. instant sub. keep going man, i believe you can go very far with youtube.
Thank you!
Means a lot to heat that
That seems to be a recurring theme in cyberpunk. Losing your identity. Losing what makes you, you. Losing your very soul to a soulless city
fun fact idk how many people might have noticed: when you meet Jefferson for the last time in the Peralez's questline you can spot Mr. Blue Eyes across the way watching you
I didn’t tell Jefferson. I was glad I didn’t since the only result would be a man crippled with paranoia
A very great delve into a fantastic game. My only complaint is that the video doesn't disclose that there might be spoilers. Luckily, I played the game quite a bit, but it would've been nice to have some warning, for the poor sods who haven't got a clue about the game.
It took me a couple tries and for Edgerunners to drop, to fully get on board. It wasn't helped that the game was a hot mess at launch, but the game we have now is honestly what we should've gotten, and very much worth the time nowadays.
My only gripe is that I can't suplex people with the Gorilla Arms. Everything else is pretty alright or stellar.
What a world they present to us though.. I can see why the game took so much time to come out. So much effort was sunk into making Night City feeling as alive as it does.. And as miserable to live in, as it does. It's a terrible time to live in, but equally as fascinating to study it all in depth.
Ironically, the best part of this bleak future seems to lie with the Nomads. The wastes aren't any more hospitable, but you're typically free from most of the bullshit the city would throw at you. You're pretty much free from the shackles the city would place upon you.
And they have cool rides and jackets too, so it's easily the best scenario you could find yourself in. Although I'd just want the jacket, myself.
No genre exemplifies that the villain truly is always capitalism than cyberpunk does
I truly believe that this is where we are heading as a world. Hyper capitalism squeezing humanity out of the world for maximizing profits.
Me when I lie
For some odd reason what I find the most dystopian about NC is the loud and obnoxious ads everywhere you go. No matter what sort of horrific thing you just experienced there is next to no place for you to find quiet solace. Corpos are invading our very own personal space and blasting loud ads, some of which are pornographic, in public spaces with children. In game, shooting the monitors doesn't shut them off. The devs really wanted to hammer home just how invasive these pernicious corpos are.
UA-cam forcing ppl to disable adblockers be like:
just like irl, porn slipping into everything we're heading into a more very openly sexual world
Corps already know a lot about you, the moment you have anything that records, the moment you create your first email and password, you are logged and info is gathered and sold, we are a product, and the way we are headibg its only going to get worse, technology has uts pros but if you really think about it, does it actually out weight the massive cons? Not that it matters sicne we are already an open book at this point
@@airboruto23where do you see porn slipping in?
You definitely should have done some research into the DLC and more specifically, the DLC ending. You still have lots of these themes that you mentioned, but the DLC ending gives one extra layer of complexity.
Spoiler warning for those who havent played it yet.
In that ending, V actually lives. Its the only ending where V is capable of making it out with his/her life. However, it costs V the life they currently have. V is no longer able to take any implants whatsoever and trying to use any will instantly kill em. Now why is this important? Well think back all the way to Dexter Deshawn. Remember what he says at the very beginning of the game? “Would you rather go out young in a blaze of glory, or live long smellin like your own urine?” This conversation hits so hard after playing the DLC because now you finally get it. After everything you FINALLY get the chance to choose what you do with your life. The question is, was it worth it?
Cheers for that spoiler it just convinced me to buy the dlc now :)
I'd rather live my life to the fullest. And be honest, you thibk Dex believed any of the shit he just said? No. He just manipulates you to do the job.
I'd rather live my life to the fullest. And be honest, you think Dex believed any of the shit he just said? No. He just manipulates you to do the job.
Glad I came across this video. Cool introspective
Thank you!
I just wish i have the crafting ability if ever I get whisked to NC, imma live in the dumps and converting everything there into usable mats and gtfo
Just imagine going around digging in the trash of some kindergarden and then making a grenade from some spoons and pacifiers
@@ItsHawx now now lets not get hasty, we will finish what johnny started when I live in the dumps of arasaka tower. We will name it the reckoning electric boogaloo
Aside from the technological aspect of the genre, Cyberpunk isn't far off from the corporate dystopia the US already are.
yea man, behind the shops, neon signs and action there is a depressing and cruel reality, as JSH put it destruction of the human spirit. and it becomes more terrifying to know that this is our near future, we are definitely heading in this direction fast.
I didnt tell Jefferson in my second run, cause if you tell him, he becomes insane and the guys behind it, probably just get someone new, maybe it isnt his life, and he ultimately has no choice what to do, but atleast its a good life.
Bro… when the American dream went to die and come back as the American nightmare, is one of the best lines/descriptions I’ve ever herd for night city. If it wasn’t in the game it should have been lol.
I don't think it is in the game and thank you!
Edgerunners broke me. I can never play CP2077 the same ever again.
There is a lingering sadness due to Edgerunners
But honestly david got what was coming to him. He thought he was special. Like a big fish in a small pond
@@ItsHawx True but his love for Lucy superceded any sense of self preservation.
I told Jefferson the truth hoping Johnny will pick up where V left off in regards to helping them
Depending which ending you got i doubt johnny would help in most of them
because most deaths don’t matter in this game, i find myself double tapping most of my enemies
laughing at the small montage of the evil in NC where its: Gangs warring in the street, a twisted serial killer turning confused boys in cattle and you absolutely decimating an innocent bystander going 85mph in NC's version of a Bugatti.
I am just immersing myself in the local culture you know
Dawg night city is horrible there this one spot near the badlands basically a human trafficking ring rang by maelstrom and some guy went there and found is daughter being sold and died of a heart attack
I'm dreading the future our children will see, as people mistake Cyberpunk for a vision, not a dystopia.
At the same time, I had a talk with my husband about what we want to do if we get old, and for example need aid in daily tasks. There's a whole discussion about aided suicide, or stopping the machines from keeping you alive.
For me, going blind would be a reason to go. I love to read, to watch nature, to play games. If I can't see the world anymore, if audio is all that's left, I'm not sure I want it. But if there's cybernetics... Optic implants, or a chip allowing me to be in a VR, as I lay down in my hospital bed? I'd take that.
Given that I already have artificial lenses in my eyes, why not exchange them with some that can show me AR?
And while we're at it: my left knee might needs replacement...
Next thing you know is people getting a cyberarm instead of a cast.
And before we know it, some rockerboy will climb on a stage, and plant a nuke.
There are no happy endings in night city
Nice job man. Keep up the good work 👍
I appreciate it!
Man, Jackie Wells had a funeral? Since i had the game at launch, never knew it, or paid attention.... This calls for a new session.
you just... didn't pay attention to the entire phone call with his mom or notice that this was in your quest log? this is not like... a side quest that you have to look for, it literally comes to you
>Video about the unseen evils of cyberpunk
>It's about the explicit message of the setting
I chose Panam to help and Saul died. But she told me they could get me patched up in Arizona. But CDPR didn't finish that ending. They left it and made Phantom Liberty which had nothing to do with the end of the game that they had presented to us. Reminds me of the Far Cry DLC's. Bull shite that has nothing to do with the real story. Far Cry New Dawn should have been the DLC for FC5.
Well the Phantom Liberty DLC is supposed to be an extra chapter within the cyberpunk story
Not supposed to be connected to the ending as it is meant to come before it.
The ending with panam is an open end, hinted at to be a false hope so it is kinda already done
@@ItsHawx "hinted at to be a false hope so it is kinda already done"
Really???? Johnnie was going to replace you and live out a life in your body. Alt replaced the Johnnie ingram on the shard with your ingram which should have overwritten Johnnie. You should have been healed at that point. But NOOOOOO, CDPR had to make it so you need to find one more solution. Then they didn't finish it.
Now I read that there is a new ending. "Panam was always someone that trust issues, V disappears for 2 years. She was hurt, and like Mitch said it took a long time for Panam to get over it, she just doesn't want to get hurt again.
Even if it's not your fault, she spent 2 years hurting, not even a perfectly good reason can heal that time."
So they not only didn't finish the ending. They came back and took a fat shite on it.
@@ItsHawx They did what a AA (yes two, not three) studio does. Released a trainwreck. Swapped team leads, abandoned the original concept. Broke the immersion of players they had originally disappointed and want to charge them $30 for content that they think should have been there.
I was going to go back and do a new playthrough with the patches and Phantom Liberty. But no Choom, Eff CDPR. Media says they redeemed themselves??? By digging the hole deeper????
I honestly hate to say this but I will go back to Starfield. At least the modders will add proper content, I'm one of them so I know.
Do not think that I am a hater. Played the game 400 hours and my character was waiting in AZ for a dlc. I doubt I will ever buy another CDPR game.
Don't know why you expected a clear happy ending. This is Cyberpunk. It's supposed to be sad and depressing. But you can imagine a better ending. I chose the ending where V goes to space and I like to believe that MR. Blue eyes finds a way to save her
Cyberpunk dystopia bad
Meanwhile corporate America copying their plans for money
I think the funny thing is this seems to be exactly where we are headed in real time
The sad thing is some people can play this game in certain parts of the world and go eh it’s not that bad wish I lived there
only way to really live for years and years is the nusa ending
The only way to live for years and years is to never meet Hanako Arasaka at Embers.
This video is PREEM!
Thanks!
When death is inevitable, it's best to fight til death
(It's a big comment, i didn't made a TLDR so thanks to the readers. Also : Big Spoilers Ahead.)
What's funny and it's in the other comment - it's that it's already reality. It all depends on your point of view and it's absolutely the point of the story.
For example, the Temperance ending is considered by many as the really only good ending. But it's absolutely false. This is too binary for a game like this.
All of the plot revolves about individuality - V as a merc is already seeing horrors and is mostly familiar with these things. In game you can even uncover horrid plots like the Biotechnica Protein Farm with Aldecaldos. (I'll let you look on this one) All of the game will make you go through these things to sap your morale. The real thing that Johnny says throughout the game and that V can't even stomach himself/herself is betraying yourself. Your values and what makes you, you.
This is represented by Dexter DeShawn at the beginning of your game : How do you wanna die, as nobody, or as a legend? What mark will you let on this world?
That's why the ending got pretty much describing names, let's have a little walk through it :
- The Devil (Arasaka). Selling your soul to Arasaka is the worse choice possible. In the end you betray Johnny but most of all, you betray yourself and let Arasaka win, EVEN if Johnny goes with your body. In essence Johnny is already dead, him being here is not even an accurate 100% representation of himself (the Relic Documentation ingame tells it), and him being here and leaving Night City means that essentially Arasaka made him live. So Johnny fought for naught, V too, cause he died either of going past the Black Wall, or of Nanites modifying his DNA and killing him 6 months after. The Devil represents this ending good, because you went againt everything you believed and fought for.
- The Star (Aldecaldos). People tend to think it's the best ending, but it's not. As mentioned, V will die either way, Johnny or not, because the Relic transformed his DNA with Nanites. Going with the Aldecaldos just makes you die and erase Johnny, and in the end you flee, you do not die as a legend, but as a loved nobody. It was my first ending, but that's not where the game's morale will play the most. This is why it's "The Star", you die peacefully. A night shining because of the star, but the Sun, hope, is still already set.
- Temperance is letting Johnny take V's body. This is for me, the worst ending possible even if it's satisfying for Johnny. Johnny leaves Night City to begin a new life well deserved, yes, but he also lets down his fight and flame, this is why EVERYONE is pissed at you when the ending calls come in All Along the Watchtower. Even if V and Johnny agree on this, this is basically hyper fucked because it means that everyone that sacrificed for Johnny did it for naught, and his fight, and why he fought vanishes along with him. It's why it's Temperance : retaining yourself to live for your friend. Sacrifice.
I won't even talk about Phantom Liberty : (spoilers ahead) If you get the Relic removed with Reed treatment, you become a nobody, and even worse, people let you down because you got out of their lives. It's truly a Phantom Liberty - you are free, but you payed with your whole identity. Johnny is gone, but you're too, and you become a face in the faceless mass of people.
- The Sun is the best ending. Either going with Rogue or alone in the (Don't Fear) The Reaper ending makes V a legend of the Afterlife. What he craved with Jackie, but he also TKO Arasaka on one swift assault, making Johnny's dream partially true. But it's after that is important ; You becoming the best merc of Night City and being the boss of the Afterlife lends you not only ton of money but also connections and reputation, two things that are heavily needed when you are dying of an unknown sickness. You get the Crystal Palace gig by the Blue Eyed Man, which in what i understand leads you to not only get a cure, but avenge/liberate Johnny (as you hear "Never Fade Away" while going to the Space Station). And if it's not that, well, hope is still on the table even without the Crystal Palace, as heard in the ending on TV's, Biodyne is at the end of the game testing healing procedures with Nanites, something that could potentially cure V as it's the same thing that made him dying in the first place.
The Sun ending is hope. It's V continuing what he always did : Fighting. And he's even more than just V after Johnny SIlverhand.
Cyberpunk 2077 is a really good RPG because the endings are nuanced enough for you to believe you did the right choice when in reality you absolutely didn't - it's a world that is really binary, with a lot of black everywhere, but the writing do something incredible : Bring you back to the gritty and hard reality, as in life. We tend to see things bigger than they are, may it good or bad, and we get hit in the face when reality decides to slap you. It's even reinforced by the fact that the game is played in 1st person, and not in third like in The Witcher. In The Witcher, Jaskier is actually telling the story to the player. He is the narrator. In Cyberpunk you ARE V, you LIVE the story.
As what i said in the start : Cyberpunk is in a sense already true. Big Corporation using "Human Resources" to get to more power over a market and moreover the world, big cities where crime becomes just worse with time, horrible future wars that will make millions participate and die, but also just living is hard - being someone that you like yourself, that people like, having a stable life and just live is already a big feat in this world. Lots, and really i say LOTS, of people are struggling already with how hard it is today. Cyberpunk is just making things at another scale, in bigger, and more obvious.
Hmmm...This makes me wanna redo the game and go for the sun ending.
To your last paragraph: "Lots, and really i say LOTS, of people are struggling already with how hard it is today."
I feel like the ending where you end it all, you know the one that uses the word youtube is afraid of, really shows how ones' struggles sadly just get drowned out and may just be brought up during a short flash, in which the wider world may just care about you for a short period of time maybe in the news or something akin to that. Not because you mattered to them but just because it would get them numbers. Just like the shot sound in the ending.
I really appreciate the long comment! It always makes my day to see that people like to share their thoughts in such detail
Biodyne nanites won't matter as during the procedure with the phantom liberty ending, Reed mentions that using nanobots wasn't an option to heal V as the stage of their disease is too far in effect.
Also the phantom liberty ending hints that maybe in fact they could have healed V and kept their cyberware active but deliberitly removed it on the presidents orders, as a sort of "I know what there capable of and there a loose Canon, time to cut there wings" sorta thing, ontop of the two year coma exacerbating the time of the disease being active it be impossible for Vik to know whether it was the disease or the procedure that's doomed V to being non cybernetic.
In the Sun ending I think the miracle cure Mr blue eyes is offering is essentially a new body and relic/Ai transfer, in return for the space heist. Lots of hints towards Mr blue eyes and his organisation being rougue Ai inhabiting or ordering people, getting ready for the upcoming war that will inevitably happen when the black wall collapses or goes rogue.
Think basiclly all the endings are meant to be bad/bitter sweet in the end, like in real life you can't cheat death no matter how hard you fight, sure extend your time by looking for solutions and maybe get a few days or years more, but in the end we all including V are dying from a disease called time, its just up to us to try and have a say on how we go out.
@@Kilo_23 It's coming from Myers, obviously. The game resolves too much about Corporations to not be her doing - that's why BioDyne solution COULD but i just say COULD be another solution in "The Sun". But that's theory, so, we won't know for sure clearly.
The game is meant though to save yourself, not the world, it's the basics of a Cyberpunk world and of the style itself, so i do agree with you on the point that all ends are bittersweet.
In "The Sun" ending (which i deem the best), Judy if romanced says something that has got very much sense : "You're always going to have a goal, no matter what, one after another" (don't have the line in English, mb if it's not exactly that)
V is "doomed" from the start. Not to not live but to fight for his/her survival. Yes, we get more time. Are we cured though? No. That's why i think that the Sun is the best ending : it's the one where you topple Arasaka which is the best for Johnny, symbolically speaking. But you got resources and mean to have more time for your own self.
Seeing that the span of the game is over a few weeks or about two months - we can only imagine what can V accomplish now with even more time.
Maybe we'll see in Project Orion :)
We already see corpo T.o.S starting to override national laws. Corpo security was starting to get more ‘rights’ at the same time NCPD was scaling down. We’re already seeing the start of this, and it’ll be worse than Cyberpunk 2077 in real world 2037.
All the endings show it's a "no win scenario" for this character, if you were looking for a "happy ending where you get everything you want" it's not in this game- it reflects a life in flux. So each ending give you something, with the exception of the "Devil" where you betray everything you fight for.
In some reflection the Phantom liberty ending gives you the one option that was missing, the question from Dexter Deshawn do you want to be "a dead legend at 30" or "live into old age smelling slightly of urine"...... But you then lose everything, connections you built, your friends and lovers who have moved on ( or who have so much rage that they never want to see you again) ...in some way if there was an option I'd like to see is V just join Misty and just leave the city with her.
I like this guy. Your video was great man keep it up.
Thank you! I aim to please!
As far as Peralez goes, in the world of Night City i think its still the best to tell them the truth. Lies tend to find themselves revealed eventually its better that a third party reveal now than a first party revealing later as a means to control or topple the politician.
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Find 100k friends and tell them to sub 😂
I appreciate the sentiment!
Night city was turned into a machine fueled my people's crushed spirits. This is a war against the forces of entropy
If you want to avoid emotional damage in the future dont consume Polish books, games or movies. Pain and misery is in our blood and any story we are going to tell you will be filled with it.
Advice. Dont touch Frostpunk if you want to avoid emotional damage. From the mechanics, thru the story and finishing on the games concept - its just cruel. Its intended to make you suffer as much as possible.
But I don't want to avoid it ;)
Comfort is poison
I get what you're saying, but remember, Cyberpunk wasn't created by CDPR. They just made Cyberpunk 2077. Cyberpunk itself was created by American writer Mike Pondsmith.
@@thememester1190 lol, you may wanna dig deeper into it, because what you just wrote down is just crap ^^ (not saying that CDPR created the genre) You know that the bells are ringing, but you dont know in which church. Such an insane oversimplification, not to mention that it has next to zero to do with my comment :) Anyway, the genre (including the nomenclature) emerged before Pondsmiths contribution to it - just as clarification.
@@bohomazdesign725 I'm referring to Cyberpunk the Intellectual Property, not Cyberpunk the genre.
The lil gig where you confront the dad n son selling the bds, killing the father you read a shard of how the dad is fucked and involved his son into the job, the son was just innocent
had to skip for certain spoilers but yeah, absolutely agree.
I loved your video!! ❤🙌
BTW does anyone know the name of the song at 0:58?
The Rebel Path (Cello version)
As much as i LOVE the world the game is in, i wouldnt last a week. Probably would just end up jumping off a mega building or something lol
Ok but how would you get to the top of a megabuilding? Those are usually reserved for the wealthier people. You'd have to pay. Which you most likely could not afford. So you'd have to work to get up there, which means you would have to get yourself together to get that work done. Meaning you most likely wouldn't be ABLE to do that anyway
@@ItsHawx "alt-f4'ing life" seems trivially easy in the city to be honest, just looking at how the cops react to a little fender bender :')
Or just go for a walk in certain districts and look at the wrong guy for a second too long and you get iron in your face.
So what you said about the choices not mattering from a game POV Night City also not caring is so true. The NCPD mostly care about order over actually solving crimes to the point if you killed someone but the scene has calmed down the NCPD still celebrated restored order didn’t give a fuck about the crime.
Good stuff
Thank you, ElectricMan
Ahh yes companies that the Ferengi might consider too obsessed with profit/image. Personally I would have appreciated more missions with Jackie so the *player* forges an actual connection with him.
Someone has not played PL the DLC for Cyberpunk 2077. This can't possible get worst. It gets worst
Ah yea I currently do not have the time to go back and play PL sorry about that ^^'
@@ItsHawx Np just play it when you do. It's worth it.
I haven't played PL but I heard Dogtown is the most depressing location in Night City.
@@cynicalmemester1694 Yes & No if you like Noir Detective then No it's great. plus a lot of great things happen.
Currently working on Ghostrunner 2 afterwards, unless I find something else to do, I may look at PL!
3:22 I find it weird that in 2.0 and on, they made the trash bins for hiding bodies go from the CHOICE of lethal or non-lethal hiding the body to ONLY lethal, so if you dont want to kill the guy the body will be found by doing rear takedown (made much easier in 2.0), WTF? Why do this? Of course V is a mass murderer but if you only do NCPD missions, its justified in some ways, on the other hand CDPR gives no consequences for Farming enemies, which would be easy for them to do just by making it a police star or 2 for random killing of gang members at any spot that is not an NCPD mission. Oddly enough in earlier versions if you used a Sniper from outside the NCPD mission playground you did get a star.
There are so many decisions you make and they all are not black and white, good and bad, there are almost no completely moral decisions you can make as all outcomes are bad for somebody.
Death is everywhere and the whole portrayal of a future where the graphitti is "no future" is obvious in its intentions.
But....for a combat style game its right up there with thrilling examples of making your avatar completely OP and having frantic smooth gameplay.
3:55 What would you do if you were Yorinobu? He knows his fathers plan is to take over his sons body by developing the Relic tech. Notice in CP PL that they state that the body has to be acceptable to the Relic host, (didn't seem to be a problem with Johnny who was no relation to V however but...why make any sense of reality, its a game).
6:30 CDPR should have given you the choice after doing the dont fear the reaper or other endings to NOT have Alt use soulkiller on you and leave as Johnny would take over Vs body but V's soul would still be intact and eventually V would die with his soul, and Johnny would die and not become a part of the AI that is Alt. BUT.... they didn't give you that option as Johnny tells you Alt already lit you up with Soulkiller and separated the 2 of you. And only then can you give Johnny your body if you choose.
Cyberpunk was cool in the 80s and 90s but in the current day it's just a glorification of the awful society we have in reality today, minus most of the technological advantages.
Well, you can't blame writers of that era to expect how "boringly" dystopian the world be in the year they set their story.
I wouldn't say it glorifies any of what we have today. It cranks the awful meter to 11 in the "future" to essentially tell a cautionary tale. Our issues now include issues that didn't exist in the 80s and 90s or weren't as severe back then.
You speak like lumpy princess from adventure Time, I like that, its funny, I appreceate this maybe too much but thanks anyway haha
Never actually watched Adventure Time so I had to look this up: What the actual fuck. xD
That's a low sub count for a video as well thought out as this one! Well, you got one more now.
My thoughts on the entire Cyberpunk setting is that frankly, we're getting there IRL. And I think many of us feel that happening, even if some of us really don't want to admit it. It's a deep seated despair on a future we have entirely zero control over. We're already living in a world with people so unimaginably rich, that if they were to wish a certain societal issue to be gone, they could make it so. But instead, all they seem to care about is "line go up". Capitalism had some benefits in the past, but in this modern day it's devolving into a cancerous tumor. Take, take, take. Consequences be damned.
And ... jeez, that clip of the XBD recording studio. That's harsh man. I popped 'em both so that they wouldn't have to remain alone. Just taking out the son and not the father... that voice actor was doing a great job.
Oh and by the way: Great voice. Reminded me of "Ahoy".
Idk who Ahoy is but thank you!
@@ItsHawx A UA-camr like you who got started a long time ago (like 10y at this point I believe) documenting the tropes and such of many video games throughout time. Recommend you look him up.
Good god now I feel honored to have my voice compared to his. His vids are pretty high effort though. Mine don't really hold a candle to what he does.
But thanks for the mention! I think I could learn a thing or two by watching his stuff and taking notes@@perhapsyes2493
Whatt the name of the track on 00:55?
12:42 ey yo wtf ?! Wrong Game
I was quite confused as well 😂
Wait how did u get that ending at the beginning of the video
You need to do the chippin in side mission and pick a specific set of dialoge options for johnny at his grave
@@ItsHawx damn it gotta restart my game again
American dream died long ago. People put profits above people.
I don't think it's really a secret or hidden, it's clear how it's a critique to capitalism
I’d be a trauma team member no question but like the one from dogtown who didn’t care if you had platinum coverage gold coverage whatever if you needed help I’d be there tho I wouldn’t live in NC I’d live out in the badlands and only venture to NC for biz
I don't think you would stay on trauma team long if you didn't care about which subscription plan the customer had
And I don't think they'd let you so far from the city, since that would severely limit your working schedule. And, as if that's not enough, it's not safe in Badlands for entire tribes of nomads, let alone loners.
Well, they will force you to care about the clientel because, after all trauma team its a business and you dont wanna get fire in nigjt city.
I haven’t even watched this yet but I bet the unseen monster is capitalism
hmmmm....I mean you are right, but I went for a slightly different angle? But yes
Wdym mean unseen?
High tech low life
Thats cyberpunk
Johnny didn't deserve a second lease on life what are you on about he nuked a city. Switched off as soon I heard that
He didn’t, look up on the cyberpunk wiki what really happened. He was there to save alt from the net and died in the process, he actually rewrote his memory. It was a militech op that was only supposed to blow the nuke at the lowest level to drop the tower, but it messed up and blew too high up. But, he still has no remorse for this nuke that he believes he did blow, so no matter what he’s insane, but he is not guilty of that crime.
What’s with so many UA-camrs playing as girl v? Pretty much all of them.
Next video you make do yourself a favor and mute the background dialogues. They were very distracting.
This is my issue with cyberpunk. It depicts a cartoonishly cynical view of human nature that is needlessly hopeless and depressing. In most other rpg settings, there's a sense of hopefulness and optimism that you could take on anything, but one of the basic principles of the cyberpunk genre is that the bad guys always win in the end. Darkness is meant to be juxtaposed with light, but cyberpunk is nothing but darkness.
Well I mean some settings are meant to be like that. Not all settings HAVE to have the protagonists prevail in the end.
To struggle, to wail against the inevitability of your end is the point. A happy end in these settings means living a life that you don't hate.
A similar setting (depressing I mean) is warhammer 40k. While it has glimpses of hope and a chance for a better tomorrow these are just that: glimpses.
These type of settings revel in the struggle of living. There are settings akin to cyberpunk that portray a more hopeful and enlightened humanity. But they are far from the same
To much spoilers.
The only real evil one in this game/story is this so called "bestest friend of the world" who dies cause of his gonk moves and also wants to take you with him by planting this weak gonk of silverhand into you. I blame him for everything cause it all goes down at the first time you meet this gonk. The only way to save yourself is to go back to glory araksa company, wait for a new body and then finally reach the top of the mountain.
I’d be dead trying use the sandy to catch food from falling
Nice vid, choom. I wouldn't mind if you dive in to do a series like this about CP2077, or even the genre of cyberpunk as a whole. Cool watch, and keep on chippin' in!
Oh mind elaborating on what specifically you mean?
@@ItsHawx Basically just talking about the intricasies of how cyberpunk is usually and will most likely always be somber with the feeling of no hope. But also... kind of hopeful? If that makes sense, haha.
Def an interesting idea for the future. There is the tabletop game and phantom liberty I can still look into.
I do have another cyberpunk themed video in the works. Different game though.
I will keep it in mind! Thank you for the interest!
Anytime, choom. This was a really well done analysis. Enjoyed it to the end.@@ItsHawx
Thank you thank you!
u forgot the cruxifiction xd