Where are the Velaryons in Game of Thrones?
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- The coolest family in House of the Dragon... where are they in Game of Thrones?
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00:00 - Velaryon Origins
01:30 - The Sea Snake
02:28 - Robert's Rebellion
03:36 - Dollar Snake Club
04:00 - Game of Thrones
05:43 - The Future of the Seahorse?
"House of the Dragon is an American fantasy drama television series. A prequel to Game of Thrones (2011-2019), it is the second show in the franchise, created by George R. R. Martin and Ryan Condal for HBO. Both series are based on the A Song of Ice and Fire novels by Martin. Condal and Miguel Sapochnik are the showrunners. Based on parts of the novel Fire & Blood, the series is set about 200 years before the events of Game of Thrones, and 172 years before the birth of Daenerys Targaryen. It portrays the beginning of the end of House Targaryen, the events leading up to and covering the Targaryen war of succession, known as the "Dance of the Dragons"
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it’s interesting to see how far the velaryons fell from power in around 100-200 years
They're only mentioned about a dozen times in the main series
They basically took the history of Spain/Portugal on how my ancestors utilized maritime technology to become the richest monarchies in the world and then fell once they expanded beyond their means
Well, Corlys was exceptional.
Maybe, it's more interesting how high he got his house to rise. Or maybe it's most interesting how little D&D cared about minor characters and world building.
So they got turned into albinos?
They reached to far and got too close to the crown. They should have known better than to play with fire and they should have understood that the madness of the Targaryen incest.
Let's not forget that the mothers of both Aegon I and Jaehaerys I were both Velaryons, something which is fundamentally critical when understanding the relationship between the Velaryons and Targaryens.
Yes! Good point
also the mother of Daeron I and Balor the saint
@@kaustralishamal2054 - That's correct, their mother was a direct descendant of Vaemond, who had his head sliced off in the TV show.
@@lucaschapel7197 In the books Vaemond was the Nephew not the Brother of Corlys in the show version
Just like I says there probably White Velaryons in the past and present.
Supporting the only true king Stannis the mannis Baratheon
Bend the knee or I'll destroy you.
Nah. The true ruler of the 7 Kingdoms is Daenerys Stormborn of House Targaryen, the First of Her Name, Queen of the Andals and the First Men, Protector of the Seven Kingdoms, the Mother of Dragons, the Khaleesi of the Great Grass Sea, the Unburnt, the Breaker of Chains.
@@imapotato8010 yeah no
@@vulcanflash4228
Yes. She’s the true heir in the books and show (season 7 and 8 doesn’t exist).
@@imapotato8010 yes along with books 6 and 7 which we’ll probably never get. Can’t be heir to a kingdom you don’t rule. Atm the 7 kingdoms are ruled by a false Baratheon (Tommen),so IMO Stannis the Mannis is the one true king.
I was curious about this after HOTD, given they're stated that they're richest family, and barely having mentions in ASOIAF. I suppose it makes sense that if Corlys just got a shit ton of wealth from a handful of voyages, and no one quite followed in his footsteps, eventually that wealth could run out, especially compared to the Lannister's nearly limitless source of wealth in their mines
There's a reason the Sea Snake is the most famous Velaryon
Well it was definitely limited considering by the main series the gold mines had dried up
@@nomadichippie1930 I know, hence "nearly limitless." It is worth mentioning it took hundreds or thousands of years for it to run out. But if somehow the Lannisters survive after A Dream of Spring, save to say they likely won't be among the richest anymore
@@nomadichippie1930 No they haven’t, the Lannisters having no gold left is only on the show. In the books their mines aren’t close to dried up.
why are they black? lmfao doesn't make sense
What’s even more confusing is Rhaena had the last dragon named Morning. She in the books took the dragon everywhere and the common folk actually loved her and they very much so took to her because of her dragon morning. However Rhaenerya and Daemons son Aegon the 3rd hated dragons and he is the SOLE reason the dragons died off. He told Rhaena to leave court because he hated dragons. But the books NEVER say what became of Rhaena and Morning
We'll probably find out in Fire and Blood 2. Maybe I should make a video about it? 🤔
@@fantasyhaven1 Please do😂
We know Morning died before Aegon III did, so at most she lived only 20 years. Rhaena married a hightower and had half a dozen daughters, we don't know when exactly she died but she never hatched another dragon.
How is this relevant to House Velaryon, though? Rhaena was Targaryen.
@@reinsaxony4623 her mother was Laena Velaryon so she was Velayron too
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You might say this family has a habit of backing the wrong seahorse :D
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I was not sure about a corlys spin off, after hotd it's very easy to see why hbo trusted in the actor
Yeah, I think it would be a great way to showcase the far-flung parts of the world
That or an Oberyn spin-off during the years of his exile.
@@Scarlattomachiatto it would be hard tho Pedro pascal is getting up there in age to the point I don’t think makeup can hide that fact well enough. Not trying to insult him I just don’t think he could look young enough without a lot of CGI
@@dallasallad335 Tbf, Pedro has aged extremely well since Oberyn days in acting. That aside, slap a little concealer and he's good to go. Hollywood does it all the time, and hell with some shows/movies, they deepfake the faces of dead people or actors who refuse to return. To the franchise/can't.
Edit:I only bring up that point because I think that Pablo doesn't need CGI so much as make up to make him appear younger. But also, his age could help, maybe Oberyn took on a much, more rugged and weathered approach to Essos and only cleaned up when allowed back home.
Would be interesting if, when Dany makes it to Westeros with her Dragons, she meets the young Lord of the Tides, and he perhaps bonds with say, Viserion. Although Dany may be weary of her child bonding with someone, she would be wise to note that while Aegon did take over Westeros with 3 Dragons, he also had his Sister-Wives as Dragonriders. So, with the young Velaryon bonded with one of her Dragons, the rise of the Valyrian families together will help bolster Dany's own claim to greatness as well.
Very interesting idea... Although Velaryons aren't really dragonriders. Laenor and Laena were exceptions because their mother was a Targaryen. But I can definitely see Aurane helping Dany with his fleet, maybe getting legitimised and given Driftmark as a reward?
okay so yeah, that’s probaly not going happen. The last Velaryon dragon-rider was Rhaena and she died literally like 150 years ago. The books heavily imply that only daenerys, faegon and maybe jon posess the power of dragonriding now
@@wargattack8837 where does the book say Jon?
@@sascham-yb9ds dragon riding if you research into the lore is actually more open than most of the people posting understand.
@@Ouioui555 that didn’t answer my question. And even then it’s established in this universe that only those of Valyrian descent are capable of being dragon-riders even though the Velaryons were never dragon-riders.
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It’s quite clear that backing Rhenayra was a gamble that didn’t pay off. Leading to the complete demise of the Velayrons upper status. High tide being sacked and burned wasn’t helpful either.
It’s a classic example of how Corlys had it all the status wealth and influence. But he failed to be content. Instead he did everything in his power to get blood on the throne. Even when it wasn’t in House Velyarons interest to do so.
I mean he didn’t have much of a choice either they were placed in a hard spot yes they could’ve sat out and done nothing but then aegon and the greens would’ve still come for them or wanted them in their side especially their granddaughters because they have daemons blood so half Targaryen and not to mention the marriage pack between Jace,luc, rhaena and baela. Also rhaenys was a Targaryen princess as well. That hard spot was mostly due to how close they were with viserys and the marriage between laenor and rhaenyera. The deleted scene with rhaenys and baela proved that they still would come after them baela knew this or was it rhaena I can’t remember but those girls were smart enough to know what was going to happen.
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From possessing an entire fleet to only 4 war galleys they really fell hard
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A House Frey video would be fun
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Great video!
Do the Hightowers next
Glad to see a no spoiler video!
Yep, I make sure to give all my new videos a spoiler status
0:57 nah bruh, why that arch on her so good tho? Like damn
I can't remember if they are mentioned in the books much but it seems like they lost a lot of power probably after the Targaryens were all killed off. Better to keep a low profile if you were related to them and they were your allies with Robert Baratheon as king.
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Great vid! Can you do house Celtigar next? Not a lot is known about them and I’d be interested to hear any info you have on them :)
I've got a few videos in the pipeline atm, the Celtigars would be interesting although we barely know anything about them 👀
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I understand that the Velaryons are dark skinned Valyrians in the show for a more diverse cast, and this is explained with reference to the multi-ethnic nature of the Valyrian Freehold. But I know of no ethnicity in the World of Ice and Fire that has dark skin and white hair. What ethnicity are they supposed to be? Wouldn't it make more sense if their ancestors were from the Summer Isles, say, and looked like Summer Islanders? It's just weird how they went part of the way to inclusivity then stopped.
I assume they're just mixed
There were no black valyrians to begin with. They are black because of the multi-ethic nature of hollywood, thats all there is to it.
@@fantasyhaven1 so their Valyrian blood is very muddled and Corlys and Laena's supremacist rants in the beginning of the season were nonsense
Well there is some truth to black people with white or even red hair, check out the melanasians. They make up a very small portion of the African diaspora, but it's still noteworthy
@@annearchy98 they die their hair using the mud from the region they live, it isn't a natural hair colour.
Try again
Sure the Valyrian Freehold was multi thnic but only the Valyrianethnicity ha dragonrider blood. and they are pale
The Velaryons aren't dragonriders though, they're a minor House from Valyria
@@fantasyhaven1 *with the blood of old Valyria
We wuz targs and sheeeèt
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Rhenera, stannis?!... I love these guys
I literally thought of this earlier
I dont think the Mutli ethnic state of the Valyrian freehold is enough to justify making them Velaryons black. Sure it could come in but stay for that long? not to mention in the show it doesnt seem to go away. In the show Laena and Laenor are mixed and then Laena and Daemon has children but those kids look even more black than Laena when it should be the complete opposite. The Valyrians is an Ethnic group whos culture and language spread all over essos but that doesnt mean that people who dont look like them apart from their silver blond hair are valyrians. This comment is longer than it needs to be because when it comes down to it the choice was for diversity reasons. I was worried like many others but i think the Velaryon cast did their roles justice.
Indians or middle easterns may have been a better choice or eurasians or hispanics.
When I first heard about this before the show released I was annoyed too but after seeing the show I think it’s done well. Especially Corlys, that actor is awesome in the show. But generally I am strongly against race swapping of established characters.
Hmm i wonder. Same storm that Danerys "Stormborn" was born during was the one that destroyed the Velaryon fleet?
they wuz there now they izn't
shieeettt we wuz dragonz n shiet
Black Valyrian ?
Cool! I can see why they wrote them out of the show though. Sounds like they're just redundant.
My suspicion is that other houses such as Redwyne built up fleets and began to import and export from Essos. Without their monopoly on eastern trade, the Velaryons would lose much of their influence and the competition would reduce their wealth.
I say talk about the Lannisters next, but I'm a Tywin stan, so make of that what you will.
Tywin’s cool, so is Stannis. 👍
"Tywin Lannister: Books Vs Show" would be fun
All pf Westeros is at war while Aurane is busy trying to find the One Piece
George came up with the Velaryon’s after he wrote SoS
Lord Monford Velaryon is actually first mentioned in ACoK, although his first name isn't stated until ASoS (he's just called "Lord Velaryon" in Davos' POV)
@@fantasyhaven1 the backstory of the family I meant
Great video, but Stannis and Renly never received the title of "Prince".
Good catch, I must have remembered wrong
You say no spoilers but one implicit one is their house doesn't get wiped out. I totally thought they would reading F&B
"In House of the Dragon, the Velaryons are dark-skinned, owing to the multi-ethnic nature of the Valyrian Freehold"
Is that really what they went with?
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Sheeeit we was velaryons and sheeit
They used to be called Valyrian but an African-Valyrian ancestor misspelled it, thus they are called Velaryon.
Lol
They couldn't even tell stannis he had a sick light-up table. i think thats treaeson
First to take the Black 🖤
I think Aurane might end up wedding Asha Greyjoy, joining her longship fleet to his dromond fleet and leaving for Daenerys with Marwen the mage
So strong they had to be wakandians
It was a good change
@@kye4216 i dont know - still have not watched it and only read some of the prequal books
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I don't think hbo made them dark skin because of the ethnicities within the freehold.
Except for conquered and enslaved peoples, the Valyrians were white.
This is so stupid, those "ethnicities" were slaves. The Valyrians were racist supremacists that believed everyone who wasnt a valyrian was inferior. HBO made them black so they could have black people riding dragons, it was 100% political and makes no sense from a lore and worldbuilding PoV, is over, is fine, you can say that diversity and job opportunities are more important than lore, and that is a fair argument, but pretending it makes sense is a bad and dumb cope. The targs were already half valyrian, aegon and his sisters had a velaryon mother. Valyrian is an ethnicity, and in the world of ice and fire they are their own RACE, not only a nationality ot a citizenship, but a RACE different from what we would call "caucasoids", Valyrians were supremacists that practiced eugenics and experimented on themselves.
One or Two members of the family (Velaryons) marry into the Summer Islanders probably a female to get the Bow Ships!!!
@@sanitizerwilson1599 Not in the books.
@@CharleyGurl Lies!!!!!!
Aurane Waters is Monford Velaryon.
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I'd really like a What The Fuck Is That.
i wonder more where are they in house of the dragons
Hmm something doesn’t add up 😂
In the show corlys days greatest power in realm. Driftmark is tiny. Hightowers and Lannisters have more cash by far. Corlys has no army
Where did you get that? Corlys Velaryon is the richest man in Westeros. This is in F&B, and it's due to Corlys trading ventures.
@@janellejulianajoyno army
They should make a 3th Valyrian household
Jus imagine if rhaegar became king
Poor that’s where. Guess I can watch the other 6:20 of the video
Poor and stanning the Mannis
In the main story, Daenerys knows about her family’s history. So she must know about the Velaryons. Has she tried to contact them?
The evolutionary timescale must be expedited in the world of ASOIAF.
If the thumbnail depicts ancestors/descendants, that is.
How about every house own and then become extinct in harrenhall
Sounds like a good video idea
The house od the dragons should follow the book you know how the role is play
Imagine if the Seahorse never join the war, they would be richer be so rich with the largest Fleet
Well actually~ This is a spoiler for HotD! A 200-ish year spoiler XD
Hotd writers race swapping Velaryons because of the diversity quotas be like:
Stannis true king
How is dany heir over stannis? Her family lost
They were not black people in the books i guarantee.
It’s better for them to be black in the show
@@kye4216But it would be infinitely better if they were white
They have to be somewhere n Westeros. The Velaryons slay too much for Dany to be the end.
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Dead just like the Targaryans.
Okay well this gives me hope that some of Rhyneras children live to continue the velaryon line (even though they are of house strong illegitimatly)
Nah, they all die
Oh, you sweet summer child…
@@rommelcandiani6358 well damn
@@LordofStormsEnd syrax killef joffrey
They got whitewashed into the Walker who takes babies from Kraster
the veylarons are normally white they were only made black because most movies and shows these days are held on some diversity quota, luckily the chosen actors where fairly good which makes up for the discrepancy from the books.
no one cares lil bro
I think the choice of black characters make them more appealing
@@s0ns0fvenus88 they aren't supposed to be appealing they are vaylarians.
@@s0ns0fvenus88 how
@@s0ns0fvenus88No, it's just easier to tell that Rhaenyra is lying.
One true king stannis 👀👀….mannis supporter🧐🧐
The Mannis is a mixed bag tbh
@@fantasyhaven1 the law of Westeros make it clear to me🤴
The usurper
A lie take it out
"Hundreds will die"
"Thousands."
why are they black and not native american instead?
Why would they be Native American ?
@@kye4216 why would they be black?
Jesus Christ that hair looks horrible on them 😂😂😂
You stated corlys tore down Driftmark which is just not true. He built high tide as a separate castle which eventually got sacked. I like your narrative style but Cmon you gotta get your facts right if you read Fire and Blood youd have known that mate
Thanks for letting me know. We all slip up every now and then
Blackwashing a whole house for clout🤣
It works better visually since it distinguishes them from the Targaryens. If both were white with blonde hair you would be able to tell them apart.
@@kye4216 visually yes you can tell them apart, lore wise for book and show, it’s absolutely horrible and contradictory. And was only done so because the showrunners literally said they didn’t want a bunch of white people.
As for the not being able to tell them apart, we could. Not like they all look alike in the face.
they were not black
There's no such thing as a black Valyrian.
If the man who wrote the books says there is, then there is, because these aren’t real people. They’re fictional characters and whatever the author says about them is canon
@@emilybarclay8831 The Valyrians aren't black in the novels. George R. R. Martin is the one who wrote them. He's not responsible for changes made by the television series. Mixed race Valyrians can exist obviously, but Valyrians were never actually black, and that's a fact. And that includes the Velaryons, who are white in the books. Either you're a showonly, or you don't know what you're talking about.
@@gooby214nerd
@@emilybarclay8831 lol no
@@trpimirkarlovic838 he can do what he wants with his fictional story. Cry about it.
I don't give a sh*t about woke stuff, but I absolutely love that they decided to go a black route with house velaryon. Really makes it hard to say someone isn't a bastard
My point exactly
Made it easier to say that Rhaenyra's sons were bastards
To bad they halfassed it. The mother of Jaehaerys was a Velaryon, all the Targaryens (and Baratheons) in this generation should have been mixed.
That's the problem with it not the "woke stuff", they way they done it makes it look like the Velaryons spontaneously turned black after the birth of Jaehaerys, or the Targaryens and Valeryons didn't intermarry before. With a family so inbred you can't handwave this.
*"In house of the Dragon the Velaryons are dark skinned owing to the multi-ethnic nature of the Valerian freehold."* LoL
No, captain cope alot, there was no "multi ethnic nature" in Valeria besides slave and foreigners. This is clear by the original story pointing out constantly what *Valerian* ( not even just -Targaryen- ) features in _Essos_ and _Westros_ look like. Those features are even said to be more valuable because of association with the former hierarchy astblisted by the Dragon Lords who ruled most of the know world. So what they "own their dark skin color" to are producers who injected what they call diversity (aka virtue signaling) into the story dispite the genetic and story logic previous established many times over. You'd have to be overdosing on cope to begin an attempt at making sense of just a single family being dark skinned on a continent of pale skinned people even after living there for centuries by the time of The Dance of Dragons. Not that that last part matters because they wouldn't have had darker skin to begin with.
Dude, it's a lore video. I'm not "coping", I'm describing and contrasting the lore of a fictional House in two mediums. Does it make sense that there's a black family living on a white continent for thousands of years and keeping the same skin colour? Not really. Is it relevant to this video? No, because this isn't a meta production analysis of House of the Dragon, it's just a fun lore video. Thanks for commenting though 👍
@@fantasyhaven1 Fair enough, I just get triggered about this kind of thing, it was very aggravating to have to endure people defending this kind of writing/story changes that are completely separate from the creative process by using dumb vague excuses they thought up or the HBO writers vaguely mentioned. So I still think what you said was incorrect and should be called out because they aren't black for any reason other than some writers wanted them to be until they confirm officially in the story otherwise, because any explanation they give would simply raise more questions as it would undermine more than what we can already logically understand doesn't make sense, it's contradicted multiple times directly by the source material, they need more than the one sentence explanation.
Fair enough
It is simple people One or Two members of Velaryons marry in the family that owner Bow Ships which belong to the Summer Islanders people!!!!!!
I am going type two words Bellegere Otherys
I'm confused, i read the books but havent watched this show and since when are the Velaryons black ? They are suposed to be the same ethinicity as the Targaryons or this is like a diversity grab like The Witcher ?
Corlys doesn't have a physical description and his mother's identity is unknown. There are also several Targarens who don't have Targ features.
@@whitediamond133 Its not just Corlys its literaly everyone of them... The Targaryens that dont have the valyrian traits are especionaly rare like Baelon, Jon Snow, Aegor Rivers they are the exception not the rule. The valyrians are described as fair skin almost albino like traits with straight platinum/silver blond hair and violet eyes, this includes the Targaryans, Celtigars and Velaryons. In the books the Velaryons that exist in the events of GOT are described like this. Sadly this was just a mere diversity grab.
They're white in the books, black in the show.
@@whitediamond133 Corlys has an official portrait that was made following Martin's description, we know how he looked.
@@andresmadrid9260why do you phrase this as a question and lie about not having seen it?
So sad that house valerian is disgrace
Maybe Stannis will bring them back to glory
But in Fire & Blood one of the Targaryen kings (I think jaeharyes Targaryen) says his daughter can sit in the black cells with her black friends-referring to the Valaryons who befriended Sara Targaryen (I think)-the rebellious daughter that ended up whoring & ruling in one of the free cities.
Even if you HAVE to make the velaryons “Black”…..the lightening of the features of the Valurians due to the blood magic (hair so blonde it’s silver, eyes so blue their purple, and pale skin)…there are “black” people with very light skin who aren’t mulattos that they could’ve cast in this show to make it look more believable….just sayin’
Where do the books end compared to the show? Is stannis still alive?
Yep, Stannis and his army are set up in a village near Winterfell, waiting for the Freys to attack (probably so he can trick them into falling through the icy lake)
They were present but not "black"
Well if u go by the show it seems during that 170 year period they purged all black people from Westeros.
Besides the fact that in the books the Velaryons are as pale as the Targaryens, it makes no sense for the Velaryons to be black in the show when you know that King Viserys I, Queen Aemma and Princess Rhaenys shared the same great grandmother, Alyssa Velaryon, yet the actors who played them were as white as all the other Targs.
Did it not occur to you that Corlys’s mother may have been a summer islander? The show doesn’t say the Velaryons have always been dark skinned. Just the recent generations
@@emilybarclay8831 Is this a joke?
@@emilybarclay8831 but she wasn't, and mixing with foreigners would only devalue their position, their closeness to the targs comes from their generic stock,
@@homerc9101 where does it say she isn’t? Also, they’re literally a shipping and trading dynasty and one of Corlys’s first voyages was literally to the summer isles as a child. Clearly the Valyrians mix with other races since brown Ben plum is a descendant of that family. Aegon VI also had a summer island lover. The Velaryons had already married several outsiders by this point so by your logic their ‘stock’ was already devalued. By the time of Corlys’s birth the Velaryons hadn’t married into the Targ dynasty for generations, the last one being Corlys’s great aunt Alyssa, and there were enough legitimate Targ males for every female to marry a brother or cousin so why would they be focused on that when they could focus on trade relations since trade relations are what made Corlys so rich?
@@emilybarclay8831And why Corlys and his Brother didnt look Bi Racial? They are half Black after all according your Theory. And why the Series didnt explain that his Mother is from the Summer Islands? Dont lie to yourself.