The AdLib Gold Experience: Is it really worth $3000?

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  • Опубліковано 4 лют 2021
  • The Ad Lib Gold 1000 sound card from 1992 sells for crazy high prices. But why? Let's unbox one and see if it lives up to its legendary reputation by delving into its history, determining why it failed, and seeing how it actually performs on early 90s PC hardware. And of course, play Dune. 🎶
    ● Thanks to Jim for lending me the card!
    / theoldskoolpc
    ● LGR links:
    / lazygamereviews
    / lazygamereviews
    / lazygamereviews
    ● Download an archive of the drivers, software, and docs here:
    archive.org/details/adlib-gol...
    ● Music courtesy of:
    www.epidemicsound.com
    #LGR #Retro #Computers
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  • @LGR
    @LGR  3 роки тому +300

    For those asking for a video of all the Juke Box songs, well, that's already a thing:
    ua-cam.com/video/ATb8zhdINpg/v-deo.html
    Video quality is a bit warbly but you're not missing much. It's all about the sound and the sound is superb 👍

    • @angeleocorrodead
      @angeleocorrodead 3 роки тому +5

      When you said oh yeah after taking card my laptop went for 4k. oO'

    • @MaverickBlue42
      @MaverickBlue42 3 роки тому

      Highway2 needs more cowbell.....

    • @MidnightMechanic
      @MidnightMechanic 3 роки тому +3

      I'm curious to know why there'd be a *BOOT SECTOR VIRUS* on original driver diskettes for 3.1!

    • @angeleocorrodead
      @angeleocorrodead 3 роки тому +2

      @@MidnightMechanic Probably pc with wich the diskette was compiled was infected, and then it went further to copying in factory.

    • @hmst5420
      @hmst5420 3 роки тому

      You trolled creative labs. But I'm happy that they are still alive and make some good products these days.

  • @Dream0Asylum
    @Dream0Asylum 3 роки тому +1578

    You can't fool me, Clint. This is really a Tech Tales episode, isn't it? Well played, sir. Well played.

    • @LGR
      @LGR  3 роки тому +647

      Heh, yeah pretty much.

    • @Harey0407
      @Harey0407 3 роки тому +79

      And I'll take it, I enjoy the Tech Tales series!

    • @Dream0Asylum
      @Dream0Asylum 3 роки тому +45

      @@Harey0407
      We all did, Ben. We all did.

    • @RetroHellspawn
      @RetroHellspawn 3 роки тому +27

      @Dream0Asylum You beat me to the punch 5 hours ago. 😂 This is 100% a Tech Tales episode, mixed with an Oddware episode.

    • @tpike1296
      @tpike1296 3 роки тому +22

      @@Dream0Asylum LGR OddTales when

  • @TriggerThat
    @TriggerThat 3 роки тому +309

    There are later models of the Adlib card, I have a gold edition from 1995 (bought it in 96) and I'm still using it in a W95 PC. Back then I had trouble installing the card and I called Adlib since I live in Quebec City. One of the engineers, his name was Mike, told me to bring the computer over at Adlib and he would look at it... 3 days later he called me, he found a tiny ball of solder shorting 2 pins of the CPU of a Miro video capture card I had in there. I was so glad he was the only person who was able to fix my 10K$ PC. That card had a Crystal chip, the sound samples are really good and thats why I'm still using it for playing MIDI files today. Great video!

    • @zzoinks
      @zzoinks 3 роки тому +23

      Wow, neat story! How was it like being at Adlib? I wonder if their place had any weird quirks.

    • @TriggerThat
      @TriggerThat 3 роки тому +48

      @@zzoinks Well, I went there on a Saturday, there was nobody in the office and the lab. I remember seeing some specialized tools, like the microscope, some other stuff... to tell you the truth I didn't pay much attention I was concerned with my $10K PC that still wouldn't work 5 weeks after I bought it.

    • @WooShell
      @WooShell 3 роки тому +12

      That sounds vaguely farmiliar.. I recall having an Adlib-branded card with a Crystal Semiconductor chipset on it, but I couldn't find it just now.

    • @ChrisWhalen00
      @ChrisWhalen00 3 роки тому +11

      I had no idea Adlib was Canadian until 4:21 when he flipped over the card and showed the sticker!

    • @Prizm44
      @Prizm44 2 роки тому +12

      Holy shit. Now that’s service.

  • @KingBobXVI
    @KingBobXVI 3 роки тому +207

    This seems to have been a theme with Creative Labs. See also: Aureal Semiconductor, a very early leader in binaural audio, breaking ground on the technology in _the mid 90's,_ and not really expanded on until very recently. The tl;dr is it allowed for simulating how audio would react in a defined 3d space, giving significantly more realistic qualities in echo, attenuation, etc. The company was frivolously sued by Creative Labs, and despite winning the suit, Aureal had taken on too much in legal fees and had to file for bankruptcy, resulting in sale of all their assets and patents to Creative, who proceeded to not use any of them, putting the development of binaural audio in general back some 20 or so years.
    Creative Labs can suck it indeed.

    • @KayX291
      @KayX291 Рік тому +30

      Interesting enough, some of the Aureal employees worked on Steam Audio for Valve.

    • @mick977
      @mick977 Рік тому +19

      Scummy doesn't begin to describe Creative. They're not the only company that acted in this way though as I'm sure you're no doubt aware.
      I find it all a bit unnerving.

    • @L1m3r
      @L1m3r Рік тому +6

      A3D ?
      I think of Creative as the Nvidia of sound cards...

    • @DrezKill
      @DrezKill 3 місяці тому

      I had a Vortex 2. The A3D API was fucking siiiiiiiiiiiiiick! One of my most favorite sound cards of all time (that I have personally owned). I'm still pissed off to this day about what Creative Labs did to Aureal.

  • @DOSdaze
    @DOSdaze 3 роки тому +71

    Truly a story of "what goes around comes around". Creative got their footing by being Adlib compatible, then got replaced by everyone else because all sound cards ending up being Sound Blaster compatible.

    • @agy234
      @agy234 11 місяців тому +7

      Not exactly. They were killed off by cheap AC97 built in audio

  • @SergeantExtreme
    @SergeantExtreme 3 роки тому +536

    After watching this video, I'd say that Creative Technology deserves what Realtek did to them.

    • @maxtrix1
      @maxtrix1 3 роки тому +35

      What realtek did to them?

    • @andeen
      @andeen 3 роки тому +111

      Showed them real tech instead of creative...

    • @KingBobXVI
      @KingBobXVI 3 роки тому +87

      Look up Aureal Semiconductor. AdLib isn't the only company Creative Labs screwed over with shitty business practices.

    • @SergeantExtreme
      @SergeantExtreme 3 роки тому +188

      @@maxtrix1 They made a partnership with Intel who bullied manufacturers (particularly HP, Dell, Toshiba, and Asus) into using Realtek audio cards instead of Creative Labs audio cards. Soundblaster went from 76% of the audio card marketshare to less than 20% by 2003.

    • @destubae3271
      @destubae3271 3 роки тому +92

      @@SergeantExtreme A fitting punishment

  • @AndreiNeacsu
    @AndreiNeacsu 3 роки тому +629

    Well, people seem to forget that Creative was only "creative" in ways of theft, deceit, monopoly, anti-consumer, and corruption practices.
    Maybe a video on how Creative bankrupt Aureal with expensive lawsuits that they actually lost.

    • @Whomobile
      @Whomobile 3 роки тому +81

      Could make for a good Tech Tales

    • @sergeleon1163
      @sergeleon1163 3 роки тому +34

      Indeed also at marketing/branding they copied others, on later SoundBlaster products also had the gold branding.

    • @twocatsinatrenchcoat2511
      @twocatsinatrenchcoat2511 3 роки тому +7

      @@Whomobile what are you doing here Mr source map man

    • @Whomobile
      @Whomobile 3 роки тому +34

      @@twocatsinatrenchcoat2511 I liek computer

    • @Nobody-Nowhere
      @Nobody-Nowhere 3 роки тому +44

      sounds like good old capitalism to me, no other rules but profit.

  • @willpreston6881
    @willpreston6881 3 роки тому +78

    I love that your eBay user tag is literally "LGR (yes, really)"

  • @SantaFishes101
    @SantaFishes101 3 роки тому +162

    "Don't meet your heroes-
    -especially without the surround module installed."
    LGR, 2021

    • @Colt45hatchback
      @Colt45hatchback 3 роки тому +3

      I shall install one if i ever meet Clint, hope he doesnt mind.. Haha

  • @geovani60624
    @geovani60624 3 роки тому +371

    man these tecnology companies were so shady since the early 90's up until to this day, I wonder how many good products we never saw launch because a bigger company didn't have a better product to compete with it.

    • @terribleauthority
      @terribleauthority 3 роки тому +70

      That's how companies have always been.

    • @anonUK
      @anonUK 3 роки тому +85

      Since the early 1890's, at least. Edison screwed inventors over.

    • @TheViolator91
      @TheViolator91 3 роки тому +21

      Yah we should be driving cars powered by water rn

    • @geovani60624
      @geovani60624 3 роки тому +6

      @@terribleauthority I know, It's just that when you actually see the stories in practice that you really think about it.

    • @AnonymousGentooman
      @AnonymousGentooman 3 роки тому +30

      @@TheViolator91 Physics: no, i don't think we should

  • @christopherwall2121
    @christopherwall2121 3 роки тому +214

    "Ahh, smells like a pallet of electronics filled with broken dreams."

    • @BagOfMagicFood
      @BagOfMagicFood 3 роки тому +2

      Wonder why the caption is a little different...

    • @KurtRichterCISSP
      @KurtRichterCISSP 3 роки тому +1

      🤣🤣🤣🤣...🙁...😥

    • @MikinessAnalog
      @MikinessAnalog 3 роки тому

      @@BagOfMagicFood Probably automatic and not scripted.

  • @Hirotechnics
    @Hirotechnics 3 роки тому +67

    This is one of the most valuable expansion cards around . . .
    just behind a scalped GPU.

  • @phR3d1969
    @phR3d1969 3 роки тому +191

    Quebec's greatest contributions to humanity:
    1- Adlib
    2- Matrox
    3- Poutine

    • @farhanyousaf5616
      @farhanyousaf5616 3 роки тому +9

      Once again, Canadian companies just aren't that experienced nor have the lobbying or VenCap structure to stay afloat for too long... :(

    • @kittyyuki1537
      @kittyyuki1537 3 роки тому +26

      Sadly, though another Canadian Tech Company still lives on. ATI as part of AMD as RTG (Radeon Technologies Group)

    • @OjStudios
      @OjStudios 3 роки тому +1

      On the audio scene we have Classé from Canada.

    • @TheJeremyHolloway
      @TheJeremyHolloway 3 роки тому +4

      You must be deliberately overlooking the Matrox Mistake, err, Mystique, in order to grant that company the #2 spot there...

    • @ZeroDrawn
      @ZeroDrawn 3 роки тому +12

      I keep hearing about this "poutine", but I've yet to try it. Think I'd like to, sometime.

  • @DeLorean4
    @DeLorean4 3 роки тому +193

    I'm originally from Québec, and take pride in how the province is a hub for aerospace and software companies. It breaks my heart to hear that a local start-up specializing in computer hardware was basically destroyed by someone holding back the certification of a chip. Ad-lib could have been a true household name.

    • @asamson23
      @asamson23 3 роки тому +11

      And also seeing that they were based in my hometown of Quebec City, that's the thing that breaks my heart even more.

    • @jacnel
      @jacnel 3 роки тому +34

      Honestly the fate of AdLib sounds like most Canadian tech companies. Either they die before they could do anything after being smothered by a US based company or they get big then kill themselves through a mixture of arrogance and ineptitude (Nortel, Blackberry)

    • @georgesiv2082
      @georgesiv2082 3 роки тому +1

      I was an adept PC game in the 90s also from the Quebec province. but I only heard about Adlib's story from youtube.

    • @aceshighdueceslow
      @aceshighdueceslow 3 роки тому +8

      @@jacnel don't leave Bombardier out of that, ignore whatever puff pieces are written about how Boeing kept the C-series from going to market Bombardier has been the engineering equivalent of Bell and Rogers for decades at this point

    • @nickwallette6201
      @nickwallette6201 3 роки тому

      Gravis did OK for a while. But eventually they fell too. Not sure if this proves the point or refutes it.

  • @saxxonpike
    @saxxonpike 3 роки тому +116

    Worked with Yamaha to delay chips to Adlib, then sidestepped Yamaha with their own CQM synthesis just a year later. They were aggressive.

    • @MikinessAnalog
      @MikinessAnalog 3 роки тому +1

      I do not see them ever changing. Why switch from what works for you?

    • @mrdali67
      @mrdali67 3 роки тому +5

      Still .. that 4 operator FM synth chip is propably the most sold complete synth on a chip in the world .. ever

    • @MikinessAnalog
      @MikinessAnalog 3 роки тому

      @@mrdali67 Stereo & polyphonic, correct?

    • @burntyper
      @burntyper 3 роки тому

      Chinese

    • @amirpourghoureiyan1637
      @amirpourghoureiyan1637 2 роки тому +2

      The Nvidia of their day

  • @Niberspace
    @Niberspace Рік тому +38

    Every second of this was beautiful. Imagine being sent back to the early 90ies and sitting up all night long playing these games on that setup, what a dream experience.

    • @laserquant
      @laserquant Рік тому +2

      I was there. It was a nice time. However, this time is also great.

  • @MikeRosoftUK
    @MikeRosoftUK 2 роки тому +11

    Oh dear. I killed the Gold as it was not viable to build. I became technical director for Adlib Multimedia Inc. after Ad Lib went into liquidation. The 1000 was never put back into production as it had been stock piled along with a substantial parts holding.. The main problem was the Gold ISA control chip, we ended up scrapping the whole stock of it (some 100k parts) for not many dollars. Other parts were included in the new products we designed in house which were coded ASB for Advanced Sound Boards ASB16 32 and 64. The stock of gold SCSI board components held was used on the ASB to provide a universal port on the card along with the high quality audio grade components.... All the design and software development was done in house in Québec Canada. The card you have there was a late card, the address on grand allee shows it.. for a year Adlib multimedia operated out of the technology park in ste-foy... With v1 manuals, there were many nights spent rewriting them for V2...

  • @BrandenMcKinney
    @BrandenMcKinney 3 роки тому +77

    can you please record the full list of adlib gold songs and upload them to a playlist? I need that in my life right now

    • @theSoundCarddatabase
      @theSoundCarddatabase 3 роки тому +35

      I have them on my channel, but you're right that LGR should do as well, for greater exposure!

    • @AnonymousGentooman
      @AnonymousGentooman 3 роки тому +9

      @@theSoundCarddatabase if only for exposure, you should ask him if he would add your playlist to the channel

    • @theSoundCarddatabase
      @theSoundCarddatabase 3 роки тому +4

      @@AnonymousGentooman Clint has my full approval to link to my video, and in fact he already did! (see LGR's pinned message)

    • @solargoldfish
      @solargoldfish 3 роки тому +1

      Same here.

  • @mkelly0x20
    @mkelly0x20 3 роки тому +145

    That "Multimedia PC" logo just oozes early 90s:
    * Rainbow gradient with heavy dithering
    * Black and white clip-art-y CD icon
    (Plus, I feel like it was on every box of software back then)

  • @yorgle
    @yorgle 3 роки тому +27

    In 1995-1997ish, I worked for eTek Labs (spun out of Forte Technologies who developed the original Ultrasound) on the then-new AMD Interwave/Gravis Ultrasound PNP cards... We had a ton of dos games for our regression testing, and bug squashing, as well as some sound cards. I remember seeing the original AdLib card but I've never seen the Gold. A lot of the "Creative being the behemoth" story rings true from our side of the story too. It was always frustrating knowing that the Ultrasound/Ultrasound Max and the increased capabilities and performance of the Ultrasound PNP didn't mean much when Creative held so much more of a market share over us... People didn't really care about wavetable support, or how technically impressive SBOS was... That's probably also the reason why the rev C Interwave chips were never finished (with full filtering and effects on each of the 32 channels... oh well...

  • @tjsynkral
    @tjsynkral 3 роки тому +27

    "35 year old PC hardware prices are hyper-inflated"
    You hurt me right in the 0-1 year old PC hardware.

  • @rpavlik1
    @rpavlik1 3 роки тому +87

    I like the "LGR (yes, really)" on that $4000AUS bid history...

    • @g-starthefirst
      @g-starthefirst 3 роки тому +1

      I couldn’t see it

    • @rpavlik1
      @rpavlik1 3 роки тому +2

      @@g-starthefirst 30:44

    • @Akotski-ys9rr
      @Akotski-ys9rr 3 роки тому

      I literally just saw that randomly and then saw this comment right after

  • @Gigator
    @Gigator 3 роки тому +10

    This is an Oddware and a Tech Tales episode together with a fantastic showcase all in one! Awesome video, Clint!

  • @moviesinclusive
    @moviesinclusive 3 роки тому +40

    The clean board design, the sparkling gold, this card is beautiful!

  • @johnnyvvlog
    @johnnyvvlog 3 роки тому +381

    Imagine buying one for $19 and selling it for $3000 now. That's quite insane 😄

    • @HazardXXX
      @HazardXXX 3 роки тому +55

      Imagine buying Bitcoin when it come out

    • @pmgodfrey
      @pmgodfrey 3 роки тому +28

      @@HazardXXX -- I've been kicking myself over that one for years. Would have bought over $100,000 back then if I knew what it'd be worth now.

    • @KeavyGoesLive
      @KeavyGoesLive 3 роки тому +26

      @@HazardXXX True story: The funeral director who handled my dad's funeral told me he had the opportunity to buy $10,000 US of Bitcoin back when it first hit the scene and he passed, thinking it was a bad investment and I told him about my dad passing on an offer to be an early investor for DirecTV.

    • @youtube-ventura
      @youtube-ventura 3 роки тому +25

      @@HazardXXX You could have bought bitcoin even 6 years after launch. If you had bought $5000 worth in 2015,, it would be worth around $800,000 today.

    • @KeavyGoesLive
      @KeavyGoesLive 3 роки тому +3

      @@wesleyswafford2462 Everyone I know talks about it so it’s common or I just know a lot of weird people.

  • @theHerathrig
    @theHerathrig 3 роки тому +57

    The subtitle is hilarious. 4:05 "stressful yet exiting slicing."

    • @kr4ftt
      @kr4ftt 3 роки тому +6

      Subtitle in Clint's videos are the *real* gold

  • @nojuanatall3281
    @nojuanatall3281 2 роки тому +1

    Your channel is such a gem. Not only do you do your homework but the presentation is fantastic. Thank you for all you do!

  • @mikeschmitty4438
    @mikeschmitty4438 3 роки тому +1

    I just watched with the closed captions enabled and your descriptions of the casual sounds just made a great video, better. So, now that we've all learned about this amazing and rare piece of history, who here cant wait for that 2nd stimulus check!

  • @grumpyoldwizard
    @grumpyoldwizard 3 роки тому +63

    If you weren’t around at the time this was new, its hard to imagine just how much of a difference a sound card could make to a PC. It went from beeps to full music synthesis and sometimes voice.

    • @elmariachi5133
      @elmariachi5133 3 роки тому

      "Full' synthesis? It was more like an accustic torture xD Like a bad radio in a tin can.

    • @patty109109
      @patty109109 3 роки тому +2

      I remember quite clearly the first time I heard wolfenstein 3D through an adlib card. Blew my mind. Soon after I owned a sound blaster 16.

    • @E5rael
      @E5rael 3 роки тому +3

      For me it was Commander Keen 4, where I heard Sound Blaster for the first time. It blew my mind.

    • @patty109109
      @patty109109 3 роки тому

      @@E5rael I remember commander keen. And then every time I'd install a game there was that nagging doubt as to whether it would work properly with a sound card. So some games would have a test, like lords of the realm ii :)

  • @jackmcslay
    @jackmcslay 3 роки тому +16

    The mention of a daughterboard reminds me of AVGN Jaguar episode
    " You have a game console not many people own and you create an addon that requires owning the game console. *What were they thinking?* "

  • @MrArtex79
    @MrArtex79 3 роки тому

    Woo! My card made the video (with the Surround Module!) @5:43 Excellent review Clint! Such a nostalgic piece of retro tech!

  • @marctestarossa
    @marctestarossa 3 роки тому

    Amazing video

  • @purplefuku
    @purplefuku 3 роки тому +162

    What a great Tech Tales! 😉 So, I'm dying to know: why was there a BOOT SECTOR VIRUS on the 4th disk? 😅

    • @LGR
      @LGR  3 роки тому +139

      I can only speculate that in the last-minute effort to get things released after the bankruptcy, whoever was duplicating those disks had an infected system. Just adding insult to injury for the few customers that actually bought one, what an unfortunate end to AdLib.

    • @wardrich
      @wardrich 3 роки тому +6

      I want to know more about this too! I was hoping he'd talk more about that, bit I'm halfway in I'm not expecting it to get discussed :(

    • @countzero1136
      @countzero1136 3 роки тому +14

      They probably had a deal with McAfee :D

    • @TheJeremyHolloway
      @TheJeremyHolloway 3 роки тому +9

      @@countzero1136 Hey, the bath salts weren't gonna mix themselves! John McAfee had to eat.

    • @countzero1136
      @countzero1136 3 роки тому +1

      @@TheJeremyHolloway LOL - High Five!

  • @djGLCKR
    @djGLCKR 3 роки тому +191

    "A golden unicorn that poops diamonds"? That almost sounds like Butt Stallion.

    • @peyotecowboy3199
      @peyotecowboy3199 3 роки тому +1

      Best character ever.

    • @travr1131
      @travr1131 3 роки тому

      Butt Stallion says hi.

    • @musa4539
      @musa4539 3 роки тому

      feed it eridium you might get a legendary weapon

    • @JK-dv3qe
      @JK-dv3qe 3 роки тому

      sounds like biden in msm world

    • @The_Keeper
      @The_Keeper 3 роки тому

      Well, Butt Stallion is a *diamond* unicorn (at least in the Tiny Tina DLC) that poops weapons.
      Soooo, better..?

  • @kevinhauser8250
    @kevinhauser8250 3 роки тому +1

    Your videos Sir are amazing, informative entertaining and just generally high quality.
    Thank you for all your work.

  • @nicka5397
    @nicka5397 3 роки тому

    Thank you for these videos, the nostalgia and memories they bring back are great.

  • @HeyImGaminOverHere
    @HeyImGaminOverHere 3 роки тому +101

    Not sad about Creative's fate after they did this to adlib.

    • @PeTTs0n88
      @PeTTs0n88 3 роки тому +49

      Kinda ironic how the small-time competitor from the mid '90s (Avance Logic -> purchased by Realtek in '95) turned into the beast that beat Creative at their own game.
      That's the reason Realtek call their sound chips ALCxxxx to this day 25 years later. The Avance Logic heritage lives on through those letters.

    • @Yootzkore
      @Yootzkore 3 роки тому +18

      Wait, Creative Labs ended up getting a wallop? Good. They were always (in)famous for playing dirty.

    • @SianaGearz
      @SianaGearz 3 роки тому +4

      @Pith Helmet Yeah they did many times but they cannot compete. They don't have analogue semiconductor expertise and never did. Most they can do is offer MB/laptop vendors software EAX emulation, but those aren't super interested, because they failed to keep it relevant. Vibra was integrated but it just wasn't good. Live used generic AC97 codecs (generally SigmaTel) like on mainboards plus some extra Cirrus DAC, and similar topologies with dedicated third party DAC/ADC have prevailed for a time.
      But their 'fate'? They are a prosperous company. Scraps on the periphery right between the PC enthusiast gamer and HiFi markets are still more money than they could have made in the 90s, because the market is SO much larger. I mean when everyone needed a soundcard, back then, did you really have a Creative? Or was a generic Pine ESS about what you could afford.

    • @PeTTs0n88
      @PeTTs0n88 3 роки тому +1

      @Pith Helmet Back when, before HDA or even AC97 became the de facto standard, there were some motherboards with integrated Creative audio solutions - those were generally PCI in practice, though.
      Since then, there have been a few boards with on-board Creative audio hardware, but they're not very common. I've had a couple (I'm not a huge fan of Realtek drivers and software), such as the Gigabyte GA-Z170X-Gaming 7 for my previous rig. It has an integrated Creative CA0132 connected to the Intel HDA bus.
      Was thinking of the general PC audio market share, I dare say with some certainty that Creative had a bit more % 20 years ago than they do today. :) And I'd also bet quite a bit that Realtek has taken most of that.

    • @JK-dv3qe
      @JK-dv3qe 3 роки тому +2

      @Pith Helmet at least its not AOC 👍

  • @volvofreak86
    @volvofreak86 3 роки тому +43

    Imagine if AdLib had survived into the new millenium? Maybe we would have built in AdLib chips on our motherboards?

  • @maxbspqr
    @maxbspqr 3 роки тому

    Man, the quality of your videos and your narration is insane. Thanks for them!

  • @chuckles5689
    @chuckles5689 3 роки тому +1

    I was going on a binge of your videos from several years ago about the Sims 3 rewatching them all, made me super nostalgic. Love your channel dude

  • @Frizzle1981
    @Frizzle1981 3 роки тому +48

    That moment the card was taken out of it's anti static sealbag.... history was written.

  • @gsdlmj3450
    @gsdlmj3450 3 роки тому +4

    I swear Clint your videos keep getting more and more interesting, truly one of the most wholesome and entertaining channels on yt

  • @BaghaShams
    @BaghaShams 3 роки тому +45

    Wow, I never knew Creative was such an dirty company. I've lusted after so many of their products over the years but I don't think I ever bought one; glad I didn't.

    • @rogerwilco6302
      @rogerwilco6302 Рік тому +9

      Then I sure hope you never used any Nvidia, Microsoft or Apple (to name a few) products for that matter because they are more or less, just as dirty. It's a dog eat dog world whether we like it or not. Personally I've used a lot of Creative products from SoundBlaster Pro to Audigy cards, Nomad MP3 players and even a CD ROM Drive with remote for PC back in the 90's and I am more than happy with the quality of their products, excluding the CD ROM Drive which was crap.

    • @MirekFe
      @MirekFe Рік тому

      @@rogerwilco6302 _It's a dog eat dog world_
      Only if we allow it to be that way. If sleazy companies were held accountable for their actions (aka worldwide boycott), because that's not how actual capitalism works, we wouldn't have to live in such a corrupt world.

    • @shponglefan
      @shponglefan Рік тому +5

      Having owned and tested a lot of ISA soundcards, in my opinion Creative Labs Sound Blasters are vastly overrated (and overpriced). Creative Labs cards tend to have noisier outputs, lack intelligent mode MPU401 support, and/or have other issues (e.g. MIDI hanging note bug, mediocre FM emulation on later cards, etc) that make them less ideal. I much prefer cards by Gravis, Roland, Terratec, and/or Media Vision.

    • @shponglefan
      @shponglefan Рік тому +3

      @@JohnZombi88 It's not about being a "super audiophile". It's about basic things like reasonably clean audio output. There are many cases where older Creative Labs ISA cards are more expensive and worse sounding.
      This is especially the case given prices for retro hardware where older Sound Blasters tend to command prices disproportionate to their qualities. In contrast you can get cards that have Sound Blaster compatibility (like ESS based cards) and simultaneously better, cleaner output. Even something like a Thunderboard is superior to an original Sound Blaster based on my own testing, the former will cost a lot less than an original Sound Blaster.
      The bottom line is that nobody should feel like they're missing out on anything just because they don't have a Creative Labs sound card.
      As for Creative Labs being successful, a lot of that is due to heavy handed business tactics and marketing, not due to quality.

  • @goopah
    @goopah 3 роки тому

    Another fascinating video. Thank you, LGR!

  • @fourthhorseman4531
    @fourthhorseman4531 3 роки тому +30

    That's rough about Creative freezing them out of those chips. I never knew about that. Jack Tramiel was right, business really is war.

  • @BenderdickCumbersnatch
    @BenderdickCumbersnatch 3 роки тому +139

    *A sound card for $3000?*
    *NVIDIA in 2021: "Hold my beer."*

    • @Shpoovy
      @Shpoovy 3 роки тому +12

      quadros and titans have always been in that price range
      but most people don't buy them because they're as incredibly cost-inefficient as possible just to squeeze the professional market dry

    • @GameBacardi
      @GameBacardi 3 роки тому +5

      @@Shpoovy ...well RTX 3000 series and AMD RX 6000 are around $1000 or above.
      Not long time ago, the best gaming GPU cost only $800

    • @coppyhop
      @coppyhop 3 роки тому +3

      @@GameBacardi And they were ~300 in the early 2000s :(

    • @GenericPast
      @GenericPast 3 роки тому +5

      Hold my *ray traced* beer

    • @iGrunt
      @iGrunt 3 роки тому +1

      @@GameBacardi msrp the 3000 series, for the most part, are under $1k (3080 outperforming the 2080Ti and nearing double that of a 2080 - for $700). Between supply shortages and scalpers (and data mining) the demand is far greater than supply which is why the prices are at 100%+ markup. Hopefully they'll go back to normal in time.

  • @AndyAKratz
    @AndyAKratz 3 роки тому

    Excellent coverage on the Adlib Gold! Thanks for this.

  • @Gnaderify
    @Gnaderify 3 роки тому

    I have to say I really appreciate the extra effort to have decent subtitles on your videos.
    Great as always, thanks Clint.

  • @christofferniemonen8872
    @christofferniemonen8872 3 роки тому +23

    "Owning the Adlibs" -Creative

  • @erik365365365
    @erik365365365 3 роки тому +11

    The noise difference between the two is one of my memories of early 90s PCs. I was always told to turn off the speakers AND the pc when I was done

  • @wagonet
    @wagonet 3 роки тому

    amazing!!! i can't believe you got to open this.

  • @mistakay9019
    @mistakay9019 3 роки тому

    I appreciate the work that went into directly recording all the audio outputs instead of using the camera mic! :D

  • @PasiX2
    @PasiX2 3 роки тому +24

    Damn, that stunts soundtrack. This was the first PC game I ever played and the soundtrack has been stuck somewhere in my head even after all these years.

    • @CameronHuff
      @CameronHuff 3 роки тому

      I think I have that game on CD (copied the disks to a CD for backup purposes)

    • @RickJohnson
      @RickJohnson 3 роки тому +1

      I remember this game both before and after I added a sound card to my PC. The PAS-16 in AdLib compatibility mode (OPL2) was WAY better than PC speaker. Hearing that fake guitar riff takes me right back to 1992.

  • @scbtripwire
    @scbtripwire 3 роки тому +14

    Ad Lib was Quebec-based?! I had no idea, and that's where I'm from!

  • @gulferamus4999
    @gulferamus4999 3 роки тому +6

    this is the first time in my life i've even heard of this thing, and i'm *excited* about him hopening it. this is the sign of a great and passionate content creator right there!

  • @AntonsHardware
    @AntonsHardware 3 роки тому +2

    Dear LGR, Loved your video, even watched it two times! When I saw the intro to Masters of Orion, that was a lot of memories! I create video's about soundcards myself over here on UA-cam , but I've always steered away from the old ISA cards. Altough I own a Soundblaster Pro (sorry AdLib!) and a 486DX2! It was always such a hassle to get it working! Hope to see more on soundcards in the future!

  • @Belgarion115
    @Belgarion115 3 роки тому +16

    I feel like there was a missed opportunity to play Descent with the AdLib Gold card but I loved this video. I had no idea Creative was so underhanded.

  • @jimmyhopkins1
    @jimmyhopkins1 3 роки тому +3

    Perfect video to enjoy with my lunch great timing Clint.

  • @trelard
    @trelard 3 роки тому

    OK, whoever wrote your closed captions made me chuckle at the description of the Dune music. Thanks, I needed a chuckle right now.

  • @soulsilver351
    @soulsilver351 3 роки тому +6

    So glad to see the masterpiece Dune from Cryo! The music from Stephane Picq are for me one of the best memories from my childhood, I will never be bored to hear them ! I always love to play Dune on my original 486 Packard Bell!
    Cheers from France !

  • @RockGeek00
    @RockGeek00 3 роки тому +19

    Why the heck is there a Boot Sector Virus on (what I assume to be) the official included installation disks?

    • @mr.bobcyndaquil4214
      @mr.bobcyndaquil4214 3 роки тому +7

      Sabotage by Creative, probably.

    • @kcmichaelm
      @kcmichaelm 3 роки тому +3

      @@LordSenile It’s mentioned on the note from the owner of the card, @3:57

  • @snuq
    @snuq 3 роки тому +5

    As others have requested as well, I would LOVE to have a nice recording of those songs from the Juke Box Gold! Huge fan of a good fm synth track, and those short samples you played at 19:21 are pretty epic sounding!

  • @johnathanstone4259
    @johnathanstone4259 3 роки тому

    Out of all the channels I'm subscribed to I can honestly say I appreciate your attention to detail when I comes to sound.

  • @blueguy09
    @blueguy09 3 роки тому

    Awesome video doc. Loved it, this should be on tv. But i really loved the wooden desk. THank you

  • @wallsofa
    @wallsofa 3 роки тому +5

    Oh man, Tyrian. I still get that music playing through my head 20 years later.

  • @sinephase
    @sinephase 3 роки тому +19

    I remember that background noise from the soundblaster being affected by moving the mouse pointer LOL

    • @JK-dv3qe
      @JK-dv3qe 3 роки тому +4

      YOU ARE MOVING THE MOUSE WRONG

    • @thear1s
      @thear1s 3 роки тому +1

      I still have PCs that emit a very obnoxious digital noise sound when the cpu is working in the background

    • @sinephase
      @sinephase 3 роки тому

      @@thear1s makes me think it's the hard drive causing it in that case

    • @thear1s
      @thear1s 3 роки тому +1

      @@sinephase It's nvme ssds in both laptops, but in most cases it's due to bad quality capacitors.

    • @sinephase
      @sinephase 3 роки тому

      @@thear1s oh LMAO I thought you meant a retro computer XD

  • @Venom-lv6cm
    @Venom-lv6cm 3 роки тому

    liked and subscribed, thanks LGR for the video!

  • @jamesburchill7522
    @jamesburchill7522 3 роки тому

    My man is an absolute bro for letting you unbox this. Hats off to you, sir...and great video as always, Clint. This is like sharing your significant other. Really.

  • @JPAK_92
    @JPAK_92 3 роки тому +11

    I'm mainly here for the retro games but I still always watch these videos. Even though the subject isn't that fascinating to me, the production quality and Clints presentation is top notch.

  • @hotlavatube
    @hotlavatube 3 роки тому +69

    (cuts open the bag)
    Me: He's definitely going to sniff it.
    (Clint sniffs it)

    • @JK-dv3qe
      @JK-dv3qe 3 роки тому +1

      who else sniffs things? :O

    • @josugambee3701
      @josugambee3701 3 роки тому +6

      @@JK-dv3qe Nothing quite compares to the smell of an old book. Or a new book, for that matter. I guess books just smell good.

  • @tomas100lar
    @tomas100lar 3 роки тому

    Simply a superb video. Well done sir. (Thumbs up)

  • @beenieween1e
    @beenieween1e 2 роки тому

    Love your content LGR. Perfect watching material while waiting for WIndows 98SE to install on a virtual drive

  • @dj68k
    @dj68k 3 роки тому +7

    The older I get the more I love FM Synth. One thing I noticed is how many solid state capacitors the Gold 1000 card had compared to the SoundBlasters. Creative used a lot of electrolytic caps, but the AdLib had very few electrolytic caps. Part of me wonders if your collection of cards would sound better with brand new electrolytic capacitors. I imagine more than a few of them have aged to the point where they're partially out of spec. I just recapped my original non-TMSS "Hi-Def Graphics" Genesis and it sounds quite a bit warmer and fuller now.

  • @notjacknicholson2225
    @notjacknicholson2225 3 роки тому +5

    I live 5 minutes away (by car) from where the Ad Lib offices were on Grande Allée East. The rent prices on Grande Allée are, and always have been among the most expensive in the province if we exclude Montreal. The area is full of luxury hotels (including the Château Frontenac), the Quebec Parliament and touristic places. Maybe around 80% of the buildings in this area are historic and are at least 250 years old. Why didn't they put their offices in the industrial park or in a more "urban" area of the city, I don't know! Now they are gone, that's shameful.

  • @aerynmusick4548
    @aerynmusick4548 3 місяці тому +1

    Bless the fine folks who loan you all this awesome stuff to document its condition and use. Seriously very cool and generous.

  • @tannerg4511
    @tannerg4511 3 роки тому

    I like the lighting you did in this where you had it matched the game you were playing. Nice touch.

  • @reeffeeder
    @reeffeeder 3 роки тому +22

    According to my UA-cam ads, yes we should invest in gold. Stocking up on these now.

    • @zaphodbeeblebrox2981
      @zaphodbeeblebrox2981 3 роки тому +4

      Buying these soundcards might be more reliable than regular gold 😅

    • @Inexpressable
      @Inexpressable 3 роки тому +2

      Fuckin eToro haha

    • @Diggnuts
      @Diggnuts 3 роки тому +2

      UA-cam has ads?

    • @Inexpressable
      @Inexpressable 3 роки тому

      @@Diggnuts yes. some people don't use adblock because they want to support the creators they watch without directly paying.

    • @Diggnuts
      @Diggnuts 3 роки тому +1

      @@Inexpressable Do you really think that ads are good for creators?

  • @DannyBeans
    @DannyBeans 3 роки тому +26

    Cue a pallet of the things being unearthed at Computer Reset.

  • @NeoTrggrTheGammer
    @NeoTrggrTheGammer 3 роки тому

    thanks for introducing me to yet another channel to check out for all my old pc related needs

  • @edovis
    @edovis 3 роки тому +2

    Hi, Clint! Great video as always! Just a quick note about the date code on those chips. The first two digits are the year (as you got it right). However, the last two are the week of the year, not the month. So in the case of the main chip which reads "9209", that is the ninth week of 1992 (which in turn would be around the last days of February and the first days of March 1992). Keep up with the excellent work! Greetings from Argentina!

  • @ChairmanMeow1
    @ChairmanMeow1 3 роки тому +20

    Physically, its a really pretty card too

  • @swoll1980
    @swoll1980 3 роки тому +57

    When we die, the nostalgia dies with us. All this shit will be worthless. Ask the Elvis collectors.

    • @sethoz22
      @sethoz22 3 роки тому +6

      crazy how value is relative

    • @JohnSmith-xq1pz
      @JohnSmith-xq1pz 3 роки тому +2

      Makes me wonder about writing a will to safe guard my retro game collection...

    • @TheyreStillOutThere
      @TheyreStillOutThere 3 роки тому +10

      Elvis junk is a completely different market and has no historical significance. Elvis collectors stock up on gas station coffee mugs and mail order t-shirts-some do collect the records, which can go for huge money for certain variants in this kind of NOS condition, but usually the record collectors are who spends the money on Elvis music. The vintage computer market is really coming into its own, and it’s very robust and varied in terms of what is being collected (software, peripherals, hardware, etc). And this stuff is hard to find in the wild these days-the relative rarity of old computer equipment and peripherals is worth noting. Elvis will always sell mugs and T shirts in every gas station-they will always be there. The computer collector market is very niche but will strengthen as time goes on and our relationship to past technologies continues to become more sentimental. I’d argue our relationship to Elvis is not becoming more sentimental as time goes on, but he probably still does hundreds of millions in revenue a year.

    • @TheyreStillOutThere
      @TheyreStillOutThere 3 роки тому +2

      @@joshuagibson2520 the classic car bubble busted a while back and some are up (station wagons) while others are down. Million dollar Mopar convertibles that are completely restored are absolutely not a thing anymore (dead original rust-free survivors with strong ownership history are another story) and there are still plenty of old farts driving that market. All markets will ebb and flow. The 60s muscle car market and 90s sports car market are two totally different demographics and tough to compare even though they’re both buying cars.

    • @koghs
      @koghs 3 роки тому +2

      It was a mistake to come here

  • @SpencerKrutzler
    @SpencerKrutzler 3 роки тому

    sounds wonderful! Thanks for the nostalgia.

  • @LIN9273135
    @LIN9273135 3 роки тому

    Great Video!!!! i love chip's challenge back in the day

  • @nickestes1839
    @nickestes1839 3 роки тому +16

    This is that supreme LGR content.

  • @sinephase
    @sinephase 3 роки тому +71

    Clint calling a 200KB driver "bloated" is hilarious thinking of the bloat we have to download now LOL

    • @SianaGearz
      @SianaGearz 3 роки тому +30

      This bloat is not preventing you from running the drivers alongside the software that they're intended to enable. The driver may be a 500mb download, but you have 16gb ram and there's only maybe 100mb of the driver code resident, a drop in the bucket, running one of the most complex subsystems in your PC. In contrast if you can't trim down your basemem consumption to about 40kb, you aren't getting any games to run, so a 200kb driver pretty much breaks your system.

    • @sinephase
      @sinephase 3 роки тому +6

      @@SianaGearz no shit achtuallay boy

    • @sugaryhull9688
      @sugaryhull9688 3 роки тому +9

      60-100+ MB downloads for NVIDIA drivers because they're bundled with "GeForce Experience"

    • @sinephase
      @sinephase 3 роки тому +2

      @@sugaryhull9688 aren't they like a gig now? LOL

    • @MJ-uk6lu
      @MJ-uk6lu 3 роки тому +9

      @@sugaryhull9688 That's because what you think is driver is actually a driver package, so it contains drivers for many different cards in one package. AMD does the same. I once swapped RX 560 with RX 580 and it was working without reinstalling drivers, that's kinda cool. And that driver package also packs software, which you may or may not install. Sometimes they even have recently depreciated software like 3D Vision drivers. The actual drivers aren't really that big. Also up to 100 MB is conservative, AMD drivers can get as big as half gigabyte or more than gigabyte once extracted. Also AMD leaves all previous driver version files (with the rest of software) on your PC and never cleans it up, so you can find over 10GB used in C:\AMD directory. That makes nVidia look like saints.

  • @EthanAQueen
    @EthanAQueen 3 роки тому

    Great video. Thanks for putting it together. I have a couple different cards that also have that same special Yamaha chip on them and supposedly they are Adlib Gold compatible but I have way too many projects going on to test them yet.

  • @Nelumb
    @Nelumb 2 роки тому

    Really interesting information! Cool video!

  • @rfrayo_
    @rfrayo_ 3 роки тому +3

    I've always loved these types of multi waveform FM synth sounds. I have a DX-5 and SY-77. The SY-77 I got just for the multi waveform FM synthesis.

  • @PeterGerrish
    @PeterGerrish 3 роки тому +8

    “A pallet of electronics filled with broken dreams” - love it!

  • @slyfly187
    @slyfly187 3 роки тому +1

    Do you have any clue of the quality of video this is? It's so comprehensive. Well done. The filmmaking is also top-notch ... please don't stop making videos.

  • @Killacaleb2
    @Killacaleb2 3 роки тому

    Clint, your videos are top notch.

  • @hoot-hoot-birb9438
    @hoot-hoot-birb9438 3 роки тому +135

    Wow, so soundbaster screwed over AdLib, I know that’s business but dam does that make me hate sound-baster just a little

    • @wewd
      @wewd 3 роки тому +60

      They did the same thing to Aureal, a company that developed hardware-accelerated 3D soundcards, which were absolutely amazing. They were supported by a lot of game engines at the time, most notably Quake and Half-Life engine games, and you could literally tell where other players were in the map based on sound alone if you were wearing headphones. It was more 3-dimensional than any 5.1 surround sound system I've ever used.

    • @LeinaDZiur
      @LeinaDZiur 3 роки тому +40

      more like sound bastard amirite

    • @ELSTERLING
      @ELSTERLING 3 роки тому +4

      @@wewd See also Nvidia's brilliant onboard sound chips.

    • @KiraSlith
      @KiraSlith 3 роки тому +46

      Creative, Intel, Microsoft, Nintendo, Palm, in the 90s it's always the same story different day. The big guy uses highly illegal anticompetitive tactics to squash competition while the FTC looks the other way, and the entire market pays the price. Which leads to today's monopolies and duopolies in every major sector of the market. Intel and AMD, Samsung and Apple, Nvida and Radeon, Creative and Realtek, Intel and LSI, etcetera.
      Microsoft standing alone atop the home OS segment through the same early anticompetitive plays. Linux only continuing to survive by being free. Having brutally slain Palm in the pocket computing market, only to secede their second throne to Google out of sheer disinterest.

    • @crookycumbles
      @crookycumbles 3 роки тому +16

      Yep, benefiting only the company and not the public. Look at what happened just last year with Intel getting Nvidia to not put their high end laptop graphics cards on the new amd laptop cpu line.

  • @RavenWitchShade
    @RavenWitchShade 3 роки тому +23

    Can't say I've been THIS early to an LGR video before, but after seeing the $3000 pricetag in the title, I HAD to check it out right damn now.

  • @UpLateGeek
    @UpLateGeek 3 роки тому +2

    Awesome! I remember seeing the option in Dune, trying it and getting rejected. Had to stick to boring old AdLib on my Media Vision Pro AudioSpectrum 16. I've now managed to collect all the parts necessary to play it again, except a working 386 motherboard (and obviously the original case). I do have a couple of 486 boards that would probably work though. I could even listen to the music with my Roland MT-32, which should work with the MPU-401 on the PAS16. But what I don't have is the spare time to spend a day tidying up the workbench and building the machine.
    I never knew the history of the card and the company that made it. I always just assumed it launched too late to compete and the SB16 just outsold it through brand power.
    Anys ways, great to hear what the AdLib Gold sounded like. Very awesome for the few games that were specifically written for it!

  • @paulnash9851
    @paulnash9851 3 роки тому

    Anything Dune is just awesome, mix in some LGR too + you’ve just made my day. Thanks Clint.

  • @Carstuff111
    @Carstuff111 3 роки тому +6

    The AdLib Gold does have amazing stereo separation, and it is surprising to notice that through UA-cam.

  • @thejackal007
    @thejackal007 3 роки тому +4

    What was on that 4th disc? The letter makes it sound like there is a boot sector virus on it? 3:58

  • @OfficialRainsynth
    @OfficialRainsynth 3 роки тому

    You didn't disappoint me and you played Tyrian on it. I'm satisfied. I love that game and its soundtrack.

  • @BanCorporateOwnedHouses
    @BanCorporateOwnedHouses 3 роки тому

    Damn, this was a good fucking episode. I love the mix of history and equipment testing.