Building a 486 DOS PC with an ISA Single Board Computer & Backplane

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  • Опубліковано 26 лис 2020
  • Assembling a 100MHz Intel 486 DX4 system inside a neat little Baby AT computer case from the mid-90s! I've been wanting to build an MS-DOS PC around an ISA SBC for a long time now, so let's get to it and play some DOS games.
    ● LGR links:
    / lazygamereviews
    / lazygamereviews
    / lazygamereviews
    ● Specs of the finished machine:
    100 megahertz Intel 486-DX4 CPU
    HS-5x86HVGA ISA SBC Card
    IEI PICMG PCI-8S 8-slot Backplane
    16MB 72-pin SIMM RAM
    512MB HyperDisk IDE Disk On Module (replaced with CF adapter)
    Cirrus Logic CL-GD54M30 graphics chipset
    Creative Sound Blaster 16 MCD ASP sound card
    1.44MB Sony 3.5" diskette drive
    360K Toshiba 5.25" floppy drive
    48x Lite-On IDE CD-ROM drive
    Generic beige Baby AT tower case
    230W AT power supply
    ● Music courtesy of:
    www.epidemicsound.com
    #LGR #Computer #Build
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  • @dabeamer42
    @dabeamer42 3 роки тому +443

    Ah, the nostalgia...especially the IDE conflicts

    • @m8528
      @m8528 3 роки тому +23

      Ahh, setting the sound blaster was a pain in the a...

    • @m8528
      @m8528 3 роки тому +17

      And using game/midi port on the sound card...

    • @alejandroalzatesanchez
      @alejandroalzatesanchez 3 роки тому +6

      I only have 16 years old and i'm right too xd messing around with this men yeah. The ide and his ( *BEEP* ) 40 pins don't forget the startup beep of the most machines windows errors the bsod and so one

    • @SW0000A
      @SW0000A 3 роки тому +5

      I would have just hooked the cd through the sound card.

    • @pmgodfrey
      @pmgodfrey 3 роки тому +1

      @@m8528 -- I'd spend so much time going through DMA and IRQ conflicts because "just one more card". lol

  • @101wut2
    @101wut2 3 роки тому +602

    My wife caught me watching this video and said, "oh god, you're starting a new project aren't you?" Damn right, I am.

    • @brandonstevens6886
      @brandonstevens6886 3 роки тому +16

      sounds about right XD

    • @SolidSonicTH
      @SolidSonicTH 3 роки тому +13

      The only person I have to answer that question to is myself but it's still a poignant one.

    • @0-m-1-n-0-u-5
      @0-m-1-n-0-u-5 3 роки тому +15

      More the reason to never get married.

    • @francoisnel5253
      @francoisnel5253 3 роки тому +13

      Why do all wives have to make such derrogatry comments, instead of being uplifting & supportive.

    • @francoisnel5253
      @francoisnel5253 3 роки тому +15

      @@0-m-1-n-0-u-5 women enjoy breaking down mens dreams somehow. It's sick that narcissim is so accepted by men.

  • @Loopy1330
    @Loopy1330 3 роки тому +321

    "Will this run on my 486?" -That one guy from Half-Life 2's E3 2003 demo

    • @parishna4882
      @parishna4882 3 роки тому +5

      Will crysis run it?

    • @OnionChoppingNinja
      @OnionChoppingNinja 3 роки тому +44

      but his spreadsheet ran so well.

    • @Dan-TechAndMusic
      @Dan-TechAndMusic 3 роки тому +9

      @Apple Yes, there's a video of that E3 demo on UA-cam.

    • @dewdop
      @dewdop 3 роки тому

      I’m guessing the answer is probably no

    • @parishna4882
      @parishna4882 3 роки тому +2

      I feeel bad for that comment, and I should feeel bad... :(

  • @noelsherron
    @noelsherron 3 роки тому +69

    8:05 I think its just fine leaving it yellowed. I prefer retro-bright with iconic hardware that is to be kept more as a show piece; to give us a sense of 'this is what it was like when it was new'. But for projects like this, the yellow gives it a sense of seniority, a look earned from years of service.

    • @joefish6091
      @joefish6091 2 роки тому +15

      A gentle clean with warm water and soap is a good thing, gets the nicotine and bio-grime off.

    • @snarkasticdouche3863
      @snarkasticdouche3863 Рік тому +5

      ​@@joefish6091*FOOD*

  • @catriona_drummond
    @catriona_drummond 3 роки тому +78

    Clever move with the black drives. Spares you matching 50 shades of yellowed beige.

    • @vamwolf
      @vamwolf 3 роки тому +1

      He does like his cables......

  • @ethanmachac
    @ethanmachac 3 роки тому +101

    I like the how the black buttons and drives against the beige case look

  • @kcgeil
    @kcgeil 2 роки тому +64

    I remember the DX4-100 chips were being described as the "poor mans pentium".
    Impressive chips but they suffered heat problems that made a cpu cooling fan necessary, which made a lot of techies nervous at the time.

    • @joefish6091
      @joefish6091 2 роки тому +8

      DX4-120 133 were slightly;y faster than the P60 and P70 and a lot cheaper, Pentiums did 1.5 instructions per clock cycle, DX 486 1.5 clocks to an instruction.
      so P90- and 100 were faster. also the first P60 70 pentiums were not upgradable,

    • @phyrr2
      @phyrr2 9 місяців тому +3

      In relation to the other person who answered, those of us who went to the DX4 120's didn't have any problems that I know of. With mine I was able to skip the 1st generation Pentium 60/66 to a Pentium II 233mhz without any headaches in between.

    • @bakuganfox
      @bakuganfox 4 місяці тому

      and we have tower just to cool cpu

  • @djhaloeight
    @djhaloeight 3 роки тому +23

    DMA and IDE conflicts...brings me right back!

  • @Aggs_TV
    @Aggs_TV 3 роки тому +203

    I think the "FOOD" label was trying to tell you where to feed the PC.
    ...I think the computer is a Mimic.

    • @cryptc
      @cryptc 3 роки тому +33

      I walked into a tavern with a sword and the bartender asked 'why do you carry a sword in here?' 'Mimics' I said... the bartender laughed, I laughed, the table laughed, we killed the table... good times

    • @DeadPollo
      @DeadPollo 3 роки тому +8

      if it was Google Chrome it would scream "feed me your RAM!"

    • @whoshotdk
      @whoshotdk 3 роки тому +6

      Wouldn't be surprised if it was an old school computer - in the school I used to work at, teachers tended to label everything with their department name (i.e Food Technology) in order to see when another teacher nicked their stuff.

    • @WolfePaws
      @WolfePaws 3 роки тому +3

      @Captain Falcon Filthy metagaming!

    • @CoreDreamStudios
      @CoreDreamStudios 3 роки тому

      anemic you mean?

  • @NielsPaul
    @NielsPaul 3 роки тому +349

    "Oh man!. I wiped away food for no good reason"
    Quarantine in a nutshell

    • @PlastiGomi
      @PlastiGomi 3 роки тому +9

      what a funny joke good sir
      take this bullet gold

    • @BrainSlugs83
      @BrainSlugs83 3 роки тому +2

      "but it made him feel good."

    • @BigboiiTone
      @BigboiiTone 3 роки тому +2

      A deadly virus is a good enough reason you can't go out to the bar. Drink at home

    • @BigboiiTone
      @BigboiiTone 3 роки тому +6

      @@joetheman74 that's not the issue. Its never been an issue of muh freedoms. It's you guys imagining more stuff and ruining life for everyone else

    • @WintrBorn
      @WintrBorn 3 роки тому +9

      @@joetheman74 my right to health surpasses your right to be a douche. We'd be done with this foolishness if you toddlers had thought about others for just one second.

  • @MrValz0
    @MrValz0 3 роки тому +175

    PC Case: "Do you bleed?"
    "You will."

    • @trevorpomroy550
      @trevorpomroy550 3 роки тому +6

      I heard that 'you will' in Yodas Empire voice.

  • @KITPUNK
    @KITPUNK 3 роки тому +84

    Seeing the size of that board makes me want to see the smallest possible 486 build. Would be cool to have a micro 486 / Win95 machine.

    • @JerkfaceMcGee
      @JerkfaceMcGee 2 роки тому

      Idk if you'll see this - but LGR gotcha -> ua-cam.com/video/USHvvSbYmJA/v-deo.html

    • @weepingscorpion8739
      @weepingscorpion8739 2 роки тому +4

      I know there are backplanes as small as just 3 or 4 ISA slots. But maybe you could run the SBC alone? That'd be interesting to see.

    • @faillepatte
      @faillepatte 2 роки тому +5

      @@weepingscorpion8739 Actually I have a 2 slot ISA SBC build with a socket 370 mobo. If there's enough interest I'll make a video

    • @uiopuiop3472
      @uiopuiop3472 Рік тому +1

      i was just doing the deed with my gsd female

    • @cdwilliams1
      @cdwilliams1 Рік тому +4

      Lookup the video for the WeeCee DOS PC :-)

  • @zaclaramay
    @zaclaramay 3 роки тому +31

    The black front... looks so good.

    • @zarkeh3013
      @zarkeh3013 3 роки тому

      yea!
      maybe simply retro-bright it and be done

  • @dnsoulx
    @dnsoulx 3 роки тому +48

    you know, everytime i watch these i feel like my pc knowledge is on par and i'm like "ah yes the bibbledoo plugs into the diplorp" and then i open up a pc and take 20 minute to remove a hard drive

    • @sadmac356
      @sadmac356 3 роки тому +4

      Honestly same. Sometimes the hard drive takes me less than 5 minutes to remove, but that really depends on how the case is designed

    • @vivanecrosis
      @vivanecrosis 3 роки тому +6

      The worst part is something those cases can be sharp inside. I really hate that!

    • @TheTurnipKing
      @TheTurnipKing 3 роки тому +8

      Messing about inside a PC always takes longer that you think. Just remember that you're watching an edited video :)

    • @dnsoulx
      @dnsoulx 3 роки тому +2

      @@vivanecrosis i was messing with this 2006 compaq and the case was full of sharp angles and this dumb protective case for the drive chambers, my hands... my POOR HANDS

    • @gz3zbz
      @gz3zbz 3 роки тому +3

      The bibbledoo doesn't plug into the diplorp, what planet are you from? Kids these days...

  • @Quickened1
    @Quickened1 3 роки тому +36

    Remember the day when you played those games and you didn't know what was around the next corner!? Good times...

  • @HangmanOfficialUploads
    @HangmanOfficialUploads 3 роки тому +34

    We'll never forgive you for wiping away FOOD, Clint.

  • @calvinrempel
    @calvinrempel 3 роки тому +69

    Top Bay is an ESSS (Emergency Sandwich Storage System)

    • @highpath4776
      @highpath4776 3 роки тому +10

      nope, under bay for the sarnies, top flip out drive for the coffee cup

  • @buttguy
    @buttguy 3 роки тому +512

    hey perfect. I can avoid working for another 37 minutes.

    • @PlastiGomi
      @PlastiGomi 3 роки тому +18

      god can these comments die already?
      so sick of seeing the same spam 30 times on every video
      we get it video long long video video long

    • @mikethedigitaldoctorjarvis
      @mikethedigitaldoctorjarvis 3 роки тому +9

      @@PlastiGomiYep,along with the *First* comments too !

    • @gavinthesniper4465
      @gavinthesniper4465 3 роки тому +1

      I agree happy thanksgiving

    • @robinbrowne5419
      @robinbrowne5419 3 роки тому +2

      Me too. He he he.

    • @buttguy
      @buttguy 3 роки тому +8

      @@PlastiGomi huh? I probably would have left the same comment if the video was 4 minutes. Main point was this content is more important to me than whatever I’m supposed to actually be doing.

  • @jaredvv86
    @jaredvv86 3 роки тому +24

    I was really surprised how well I like that black-on-beige look. I thought that would look weird, but I really like it. I don't know if maybe its because the yellowing of the plastic or what.

    • @eaglemaster7
      @eaglemaster7 Рік тому +2

      because it's remind us the beauty of IBM PC/XT but in vertical case. all Floppy is black not beige back then, I even feel a bit strange to see beige floppy on IBM PC, like something didn't right

  • @lifeonlowbatteries8153
    @lifeonlowbatteries8153 3 роки тому +18

    Watching in the middle of the night so Clint’s smooth voice can lull me back to sleep.

  • @aaronblair9583
    @aaronblair9583 3 роки тому +35

    I've had a horrible, stressful...soul crushing!day...
    I have never been Soo happy to see a notification pop up. Seriously, began crying and had a huge weight lifted off my chest. Thank you

    • @teroe2322
      @teroe2322 3 роки тому

      Me too

    • @Shotblur
      @Shotblur 3 роки тому +1

      You wanna talk about it

    • @vivanecrosis
      @vivanecrosis 3 роки тому +1

      That is some strong moments right there. I hope all works out well for you :D

    • @aaronblair9583
      @aaronblair9583 3 роки тому +6

      @@Shotblur naw, I appreciate it tho. I'm a caregiver, work in end of life care. Just had my hours cut, losing my heath insurance. And a global pandemic has killed 12 people I know.
      And it was thanksgiving

    • @nicksalvatore5717
      @nicksalvatore5717 3 роки тому +2

      @@aaronblair9583 you have my condolences. people out there care! I really hope things improve

  • @Pub2k4
    @Pub2k4 3 роки тому +70

    The “Food” cover reminds me of seeing people use their CD-ROM drives as cup holders

    • @BilisNegra
      @BilisNegra 3 роки тому +3

      Hey, it ain't nice to poke fun at the mentally impaired, dude :P

  • @bobblum5973
    @bobblum5973 3 роки тому +10

    Thanks, Clint, seeing you work on older hardware always brings back memories for me.
    Many years ago, roughly late '80s/early '90s, at work I supported VAX minicomputers running the VMS OS. We had lots of people on VT-220 terminals able to access them, as well as VMS graphic workstations. But PCs weren't common. We ended up getting what looked like a desktop XT/AT case, inside of which was a passive backplane and up to eight single board ISA PCs, 386s I think but could have even been 286s. By running a program on the VAX you could connect across the LAN to one of the virtual PCs and run DOS applications. No graphics supported unfortunately, all DOS 3.1. I spent quite a while writing some custom help files for the VMS side, and had to work out licensing tricks for the DOS applications: ChartMaster, SignMaster, DiagramMaster. I think we had IBM DisplayWrite 3 or 4 for word processing, and Lotus 123 for spreadsheets. Lots of fun with mapping PC drive letters to files and directories on the VAX.
    Of course, after all that effort, it barely got used, as more PCs started showing up!

  • @xDJxGNOMx
    @xDJxGNOMx 3 роки тому +7

    honestly, it's just so satisfying to see your channelname and below it just says 1.44M it just absolutely fits

  • @BillyBuerger
    @BillyBuerger 3 роки тому +94

    We have a pair of very old servers at work that use these kind of SBCs with a big backplane that fills the whole back side of the rack mount server chassis. Don't recall the exact specs of what's on them. I'm guessing Pentium something. But these SBCs have both the ISA and PCI connectors on them. We will never be using these again so I could pull one if you are interested. I can get the full specs next week when I stop by the office next. Let me know if you are interested.

    • @blueviper1099
      @blueviper1099 3 роки тому +25

      You should email him, he'll probaby see it there.

    • @dozern
      @dozern 3 роки тому +5

      Very nice of you :) And if you have several, I'd be up for buying one from you, given that the price isn't too extravagant.

    • @wishusknight3009
      @wishusknight3009 3 роки тому +8

      @Bob Ross SBC's like this are generally very conservative in their performance. They will fall behind a typical consumer level mainboard by about %20 or so. I have a system with a few different SBC's I can plug in from 386 all the way to Core 2. And its neat to play with and doesn't need much space but don't expect the usual performance from them. Things are timed very slack.

    • @MrDuncl
      @MrDuncl 3 роки тому +2

      @@wishusknight3009 Designed to run in something like a Cashpoint machine where reliability is far more important than speed, and there is no need for a "Turbo" button.

  • @davidcain3752
    @davidcain3752 3 роки тому +62

    I recommend not connecting the LED directly to that power connector. Depending on what that is for, it may not limit the current which will cause your LED to fail quickly. If you put a simple 220 or 470 ohm resistor in series that should work fine
    Edit: lol just made it to the edit 🤣

    • @bobblum5973
      @bobblum5973 3 роки тому +9

      The problem is that there are some cases that used a basic LED, while others had a discrete resistor soldered to the LED then covered with heatshrink tubing or an LED with integrated resistor. Like the differences in power switches he pointed out, plenty of variations to keep things "interesting". 😉

  • @KhadKjunn
    @KhadKjunn 3 роки тому +9

    That is actually the exact same case of my first PC ! Where I have played Doom II , Duke Nukem 3D , Tomb Raider and many more. If I remember correctly the CPU was Pentium 100 and people were losing their shit after 486 CPUs. Oh man thanks for this unexpected Nostalgia hit Clint.

    • @cbtillery135
      @cbtillery135 Рік тому +1

      Did you also write "food" on one of the front drive bay covers?

  • @Outofthedust
    @Outofthedust 3 роки тому +11

    These are literally just before my time and I love seeing how they worked. I know of them and have seen them but was too young to know what I was looking at. I love learning about them. My first PC build when I was a kid was a Pentium MMX back in the mid 90s and I was just learning about PCs then.

  • @hikariyouk
    @hikariyouk 3 роки тому +157

    I wouldn't be surprised if that case was originally being used for a POS in a cafe or something.

    • @DutchmanDavid
      @DutchmanDavid 3 роки тому +46

      POS = Point of Sale, not "piece of !@#$", methinks. Seeing the context of hardware and all that.

    • @ImpetuouslyInsane
      @ImpetuouslyInsane 3 роки тому +46

      @@DutchmanDavid Meh, most POS's are POS's, so there's still a general consensus on that one.

    • @TheRealColBosch
      @TheRealColBosch 3 роки тому +16

      I could see that, but I also suspect that "FOOD" was a password of some kind. These two suspicions are not mutually incompatible, of course.

    • @WackyWRZ
      @WackyWRZ 3 роки тому +2

      Maybe a cash register at Food Lion?

    • @hikariyouk
      @hikariyouk 3 роки тому

      @@ImpetuouslyInsane Yeah, when I worked in retail in my younger years, at ESCOM in the UK before they went under, we just used one of our own systems to run the POS.

  • @bryanfitzgerald95
    @bryanfitzgerald95 3 роки тому +32

    Love it, the ambiance in your videos are somewhat so relaxing and homey

    • @firenicey7319
      @firenicey7319 3 роки тому +6

      Yep the chill music and him talking. Almost makes you want to get some soft clothes on and relax with a whiskey or coffee

    • @HontasFarmer80
      @HontasFarmer80 3 роки тому +1

      @@firenicey7319 His voice is part of it.

    • @vivanecrosis
      @vivanecrosis 3 роки тому +1

      I so read that as honey. Relaxing and Honey, could totally be a thing, not sure what kind of thing, but hey :D

    • @rick-deckard
      @rick-deckard 3 роки тому

      Agreed, its so comforting

    • @scottdotjazzman
      @scottdotjazzman 3 роки тому +1

      Did you know that m can sometimes look like rn when read quickly?

  • @menhirmike
    @menhirmike 3 роки тому +7

    Man, that Tower case brought back memories, back before someone had the genius idea of detachable side panels. The breakouts for extra COM/LPT ports also reminded me of the good ol' days when it was a rite of passage to get a bloody scratch any time you worked inside the PC.

  • @kbhasi
    @kbhasi 3 роки тому +12

    I think that the reason why the front of the case had "FOOD" written on it, was that it was likely used in an industrial kitchen of some kind.

  • @wraithcadmus
    @wraithcadmus 3 роки тому +112

    Get a couple more and some way to network them together "in the box" and have a portable Duke-Match in a box.

    • @TheTurnipKing
      @TheTurnipKing 3 роки тому +13

      Was considering doing that with Quake and a bunch of Pi 4's... Though Duke is an option these days.

    • @KenjiUmino
      @KenjiUmino 3 роки тому +15

      pretty much like the "7 gamers, 1 system" thing that linus built a couple years ago but without the need for virtual machines - all 7 gamers could play duke 3d "on the metal"

    • @TheTurnipKing
      @TheTurnipKing 3 роки тому +7

      @@KenjiUmino the pi's using eDuke, so it's still running natively on the hardware.
      I'm not sure how practical having multiple SBCs with this backplane is, because you have multiple CPUs sharing a single ISA bus, though creating a custom backplane that has several separated ISA buses that just share power rails should be feasible.
      You could also simplify the setup somewhat by finding SBCs that also have integrated audio, video and network, which would allow you to bypass the need for an ISA bus at all.
      Finding all that with vintage hardware though... I presume you can see why I thought to use the Pi instead :D

    • @TheTurnipKing
      @TheTurnipKing 3 роки тому +3

      @@KenjiUmino the trick to the 7 gamers system is that it was one CPU with more cores and GPUs, divided into individual machines using virtualization.

    • @master74200
      @master74200 3 роки тому +1

      @@TheTurnipKing Even though they'd be sharing that backplane, that appears to mostly be for expansion and power, not so much for any data transmission, so that at least should lend itself to being possibly to run several "bare-metal" systems on their own, all sharing nothing but power.

  • @draketungsten74
    @draketungsten74 3 роки тому +41

    5:15 the poor thing is hungry, it's begging for food.

  • @jgilbertoribeiro
    @jgilbertoribeiro 3 роки тому +7

    I was a teen when at that computer´s time. It was so hard to make everything works. When windows 95 came with plug and play feature was a revolution.

    • @weswes10
      @weswes10 3 роки тому +4

      You mean Plug and PRAY...

  • @FyberOptic
    @FyberOptic 3 роки тому +16

    25 years later it occurs to me that Descent is basically Choplifter in space.

  • @SandsOfArrakis
    @SandsOfArrakis 3 роки тому +57

    The food thing indicates where you need to slide in CD-ROMs for the PC to munch on.

  • @friendlywizard6462
    @friendlywizard6462 3 роки тому +14

    28:22 ah what a bummer I saw a full length VLB styled 486/Pentium SBC like this one at car boot earlier this year! Did'nt buy it as I was not sure what it connected too but now I know! Great video!

    • @SolidSonicTH
      @SolidSonicTH Рік тому

      That kind of setup is called "PICMG" (I've found out about this because I'm starting an SBC build myself and may have another one down the line as well). On older systems like this it's just a stacked ISA/PCI combo slot but on newer, PCIe-based systems the slot is something unique (I thought it was like a double-stacked PCIe x16 slot but it's more different than that).
      Also long SBCs like this are a BITCH to fit into a case. I'm actually going to need to mod the case this SBC project is going into (need to cut out a section of the HDD rails) and it's a friggin' full tower EATX-compatible case (which I went with because I have an 8-slot backplane, which is one too many for a conventional mid-tower)!

  • @patrick6350
    @patrick6350 3 роки тому +24

    12:24 - Dear -5v indicator LED who illuminated briefly when first connected, I see you, you are wanted, you are loved

  • @DarshanSTUDIOS
    @DarshanSTUDIOS 3 роки тому +4

    Ah yay! Another 486 Dos pc build. Thank you! Have been waiting for a retro build like this!!

  • @chillhour6155
    @chillhour6155 3 роки тому +9

    The black on beige looks really good to be honest, reminds of those old tandys

    • @quazznorm1777
      @quazznorm1777 3 роки тому

      Thanks. I knew it reminded me of some sort of old computer, but I couldn't exactly figure out what it specifically reminded me off till I saw your comment.

  • @battra92
    @battra92 3 роки тому +65

    Never underestimate the lengths businesses will go to keep old software running.

    • @nslouka90
      @nslouka90 3 роки тому +12

      battra92 see the IRS

    • @handlesarefeckinstupid
      @handlesarefeckinstupid 3 роки тому +6

      Except apple. You got that, you screwed.

    • @sameash3153
      @sameash3153 3 роки тому +3

      All the power to them! Fuck modern pcs

    • @yaroslavkizyma2370
      @yaroslavkizyma2370 3 роки тому +5

      If it works - don’t touch it.

    • @rcmero
      @rcmero 3 роки тому +16

      Case in point, French airport terminals are still running Windows 3.1 to this day.

  • @raphaelventura8465
    @raphaelventura8465 3 роки тому +1

    Thank you for your video. You have no idea how it brought me some great memories and how relaxing it is to watch you building and configuring it.

  • @Iain_C
    @Iain_C 3 роки тому +6

    Oozing nostalgia as always. I never owned a 486. I went from a 386 to a Pentium 133. Oh the excitement.

  • @jthorpe4droid
    @jthorpe4droid 3 роки тому +46

    That's a pretty cool board, never ran into any of them in the past.

    • @robbirobson7330
      @robbirobson7330 3 роки тому +12

      about 20 years ago i always used to go to the recycling center and there were tons of this single board computers like all types from 8088 to 486 and tons of back planes and other stuff but at that time i did not know what to make of it

    • @infamousacidrain
      @infamousacidrain 3 роки тому +11

      You generally wouldn’t. They’re industrial, so they didn’t usually make their way into the normal waste stream for home computers. Some of them are probably still in active industrial use, running old CNC or other manufacturing hardware that is otherwise very very expensive to replace.

    • @shadowtheimpure
      @shadowtheimpure 3 роки тому +5

      I see these boards all the time on Aliexpress when browsing for 486 stuff.

    • @groenekever
      @groenekever 3 роки тому

      @@shadowtheimpure fot less then aliexpress you cn buy them off me

    • @sameash3153
      @sameash3153 3 роки тому +2

      @@groenekever if you've got an ebay listing I'll throw some bucks your way

  • @StereoBucket
    @StereoBucket 3 роки тому +13

    I'm a simple man. I see quake in thumbnail, I click.

  • @MrStato355
    @MrStato355 3 роки тому +1

    Nice work Clint, always love watching your videos tinkering with the old stuff. After every view I end up firing up one of my several retro rigs.

  • @chrism7541
    @chrism7541 3 роки тому +3

    Glad you enjoy Clint! Happy to see a full computer built from one of these. Mine has a cpu fan as they can get hot without air movement in a case and cause an occasional lockup. I have an Aztech card in mine, set on DMA 0 of course. Something on the board uses channel 1. I have a manual for these as well.

  • @vwestlife
    @vwestlife 3 роки тому +980

    FOOD

  • @Rabbit_AF
    @Rabbit_AF 3 роки тому +4

    Thanks for making this video. I never knew how SBCs connected to anything. I see now, that a backplane is needed, and it makes a lot more sense.

  • @fapostoli
    @fapostoli 2 роки тому +2

    Love this channel. Dripping with nostalgia and Clint is so very easy on the eye.

  • @artk2219
    @artk2219 3 роки тому +16

    Jill and Xargon both use the same game engine, could be something with that.

  • @Vladimir_Kv
    @Vladimir_Kv 3 роки тому +26

    That dom was too picky to Master a CD-Drive, and too proud to be a Slave ;)

  • @cheesythegamer9771
    @cheesythegamer9771 3 роки тому +4

    I haven’t been on this channel in months, so glad I found it again.

  • @jimgallagher6310
    @jimgallagher6310 3 роки тому +5

    Loved your video. I miss working on computers like this in days gone by. Really I think the mid to late 90's were the heyday of the PC. I still have some old ISA cards and such laying around. I remember buying components at Best Buy and having them escorted to the cash registers so nobody could steal them.

  • @yukondave8389
    @yukondave8389 3 роки тому +1

    That black in the front looks AMAZING on that case! It doesn't need anything else, it is perfect.

  • @sewerraccoon
    @sewerraccoon 3 роки тому +3

    I was literally digging through some of my old boxes today and found a Sound Blaster 16. Started googling/eBaying for cheap mobos with ISA so I could play with it. Lot of results for these old SCBs. LGR has powers...

  • @sandr6769
    @sandr6769 3 роки тому +31

    This PC deserves its own name, something associated with food.

  • @BEEFTEEF4
    @BEEFTEEF4 Рік тому +2

    FOOD. As a 39 y/o that grew up with an Apple SE then a Packard Bell 486 DX, then a 300MHz Gateway, then a Compaq Presario 5000, I really appreciate this channel

  • @Demosthenas
    @Demosthenas 2 роки тому

    I love watching your videos especially before bed. They are really relaxing I love to immerse myself in the nostalgia of these great old machines.

  • @nomisbate
    @nomisbate 3 роки тому +6

    Have to say that I like the look of the system as is without the need to wrap it to make a look a different colour.

  • @michaelmiller9143
    @michaelmiller9143 3 роки тому +8

    12:39 "There are FOUR lights!"

  • @Arbiter099
    @Arbiter099 3 роки тому +9

    would have left the mysterious FOOD on there personally, it adds character

  • @MIKESALLSURE
    @MIKESALLSURE 3 роки тому +1

    Nice, that's the 1st time I heard PhilsComputerLab show up on your channel. Both your channels insight on resurrecting PC's always keep me filled with joy, and of course help with troubleshooting my own retro projects. Thanks Clint!

    • @LGR
      @LGR  3 роки тому +1

      We’ve collaborated before, too!
      ua-cam.com/video/9CgisEFObjA/v-deo.html

  • @BaumInventions
    @BaumInventions 3 роки тому +47

    I think the Disk on Modules are hardwired as cable select internally and the older BIOS dont like cable select. I have the same problems with Jumperless CF card adapters and DOMs.

    • @highpath4776
      @highpath4776 3 роки тому

      didnt he try a cable select cable as well ?

    • @AndrewAMartin
      @AndrewAMartin 3 роки тому +8

      Back in the day, I was told that putting the HDD and CD-ROM on the same IDE channel was a no-no -- if the CD is master, you're running the hard disk at slower speed than it's capable of, and if the hard disk is master, the CD drive can't keep up. I also never used cable select... That was 25+ years ago, so take that for what it's worth :-)

    • @VintageTechFan
      @VintageTechFan 3 роки тому +2

      Cable Select is really just Cable Select. The drive looks at a certain pin on the IDE cable if it's grounded or not and decides to be Master or Slave according to that. There is no difference how the drives look to the BIOS. The cable simply replaces the jumpers.

    • @VintageTechFan
      @VintageTechFan 3 роки тому +2

      @@AndrewAMartin "Master" and "Slave" are misleading words, there isn't any priority at all, except for special cases during initialization (older drives sequenced their spinup to reduce load on the PSU for example).
      The main reason is that only one device can use the bus at the same time, so for fast (DMA) copy from one device to the other they have to be on different channels.

    • @JakeHambyZ80
      @JakeHambyZ80 3 роки тому +1

      I think this is close to the right answer, but the disk module probably just wants to be the only device and doesn't support "master/slave" at all.

  • @MrDbrennen
    @MrDbrennen 3 роки тому +6

    Watching LGR is good for you vicariously, so you don't have to hoard old computers yourself

  • @ObscureGamesandConsoles
    @ObscureGamesandConsoles 3 роки тому +1

    I was thinking the food label may be referring to the computer being in a kitchen of a restaurant, food prep area of some kind, or commissary.
    I wish I had the space to have an old DOS machine. Always like watching these videos.

  • @vlogzat
    @vlogzat 3 роки тому +1

    Golden era for computers
    The era that every new piece of hardware has its own taste
    Nowadays we are more than used with large ram numbers and extremely fast evolution

  • @ActualCharky
    @ActualCharky 3 роки тому +7

    it needs a vinyl wrap of that cheerios FOOD image texture thing from the 3d fonts video!

  • @Scioneer
    @Scioneer 3 роки тому +9

    Honestly, considering the sbc's industrial roots, I'd say the case looks good as is.

  • @GearAddict90210
    @GearAddict90210 3 роки тому

    Seeing these old games brings back childhood memories.
    One game I loved was Terminal Velocity

  • @pipschannel1222
    @pipschannel1222 3 роки тому +2

    Nice job Clint 👍
    I like the two tone beige/black combination on this classic Hong Kong case.
    The 32-bit Cirrus cl-gd5430 chip on this SBC is actually very capable and not just some marginal integrated graphics solution.
    It was used a lot on PCI cards and It's newer and faster than the Cirrus cl-gd5428 chip on the Diamond Speedstar Pro VLB in your woodgrain (I own the same card). The 30 is an enhanced version of the 28 and it was the first in their newer "Alpine" series of chips. It supports a higher memory clock speed and has memory-mapped I/O. I also have a cirrus logic cl-gd5434 (also an Alpine series) card with 2 megs running in 64-bit mode and it's definitely the fastest card I own from the era. Always liked those Cirrus graphics chips. Very compatible and pretty darn quick for the era 👍

  • @TCPUDPATM
    @TCPUDPATM 3 роки тому +12

    “cd quake” still gets me excited for some upcoming fun!

  • @charlesdorval394
    @charlesdorval394 3 роки тому +4

    Ah, the good old 48bits PCSA slots! ;)
    Thanks for the upload, that was a great one!
    I thought about those from time to time, never got around to getting one, now they've probably been out of my price range for a couple hours by now :P

  • @Opirian
    @Opirian 3 роки тому +1

    I had that case growing up... what a nostalgia trip.

  • @kelainefes
    @kelainefes 3 роки тому +1

    Awesome beige case, perfect for that retro machine lol.
    You bought me back to my teenage years.

  • @nicwilson89
    @nicwilson89 3 роки тому +14

    20:00 You could put the disk module on the motherboard's IDE channel and possibly add in an expansion card giving you more IDE channels for the drive if you wanted?

    • @jensonchoy
      @jensonchoy 3 роки тому +9

      I think the Sound Blaster card have IDE header for CD-ROM

    • @bakatoroi
      @bakatoroi 3 роки тому

      @@jensonchoy It doesn't seem to have an IDE port. He could if he gets one of those proprietary drives.

    • @PeTTs0n88
      @PeTTs0n88 3 роки тому +2

      Or swap the sound blaster for one with an IDE controller, there are tons of them. :)

  • @KomradeMikhail
    @KomradeMikhail 3 роки тому +60

    Could get a PCB backplane printed up with just two ISA slots and power.
    With a new Pico PSU, and a 3D printed case... Smallest 486 PC ?

    • @andreewert6576
      @andreewert6576 3 роки тому +9

      Add a 5" tft, a lipo battery and a few buttons and you have a portable 486 switch-like thing.

    • @eDoc2020
      @eDoc2020 3 роки тому +3

      To save more space the power supply could probably be designed into the mini-backplane in the space between the two slots. However, it still won't be the smallest 486 PC. The IBM PC110 is 158x116x36mm and that's a whole laptop with 4.7" screen.

    • @KomradeMikhail
      @KomradeMikhail 3 роки тому +6

      @@eDoc2020
      Search what a Pico PSU looks like... it's not much bigger than the connector itself.
      The size could be cut down further by skipping the backplane entirely, and soldering power directly to the contacts.
      But then you lose the sound card... I suppose an OPL3LPT adapter connected to the internal parellel pin header could fit inside.
      The IBM PC 110 is about the same comparable size as two stacked expansion cards anyway... With a slower SX CPU.

    • @eDoc2020
      @eDoc2020 3 роки тому +2

      @@KomradeMikhail I know PicoPSU is small but if you want your system to be as small as possible every little bit matters. If you ditch the sound card you can probably eliminate this PSU entirely. I'm guessing the SBC only uses the 5v rail which can be provided from a phone charger. One of the connectors might even be a 5v input for this purpose.
      I'll certainly consider this as the smallest _desktop_ 486 PC. While the PC110 is a bit smaller, it's a completely different class of device.
      And side note, I think the PC110's CPU might be upgradeable with the right tools. I know the ThinkPad with the butterfly keyboard can be upgraded to 125MHz just by soldering in a different chip but this might be harder with the variant in the PC110.

    • @KomradeMikhail
      @KomradeMikhail 3 роки тому +6

      @@eDoc2020
      If you ditch the connectors off the PicoPSU and solder wires directly, the little board can sandwich in and fit within the given footprint of the single slot expansion card.
      Same with the OPL3LPT adapter... lose the connectors and solder it in.
      Could probably even squeeze in a modern LiPo battery pack and an adafruit charging circuit.
      A keyboard and a screen would fit within the size of a second expansion card. And now this is a homemade PC 110, of exactly the same size, but cheaper.
      CNC mill a case instead of just 3D printing it... and now suddenly I am turning into Ben Heck.

  • @The90sGamingGuy
    @The90sGamingGuy 3 роки тому +1

    So cool to see a 486 running some classic FPS games in 2020. My dad had a 486 he ran Doom 2, Duke Nukem 3D and the expansion and some other games on it in the 90s. I played those games on it and Golden Axe on an arcade emulator. Seeing this video takes me back. I believe the graphics card he had in that pc was the 3D Voodo FX card.

  • @ccricers
    @ccricers 3 роки тому +2

    Pine Technology still exists and owns the corporate division XFX (yes, the manufacturer of graphics cards). My very first dedicated graphics card was a Pine/XFX GeForce 2 MX 400.

  • @bk649cc
    @bk649cc 3 роки тому +48

    Great, a Raspberry Pi 486!

    • @johndododoe1411
      @johndododoe1411 3 роки тому +1

      Nah, those would be PC-108 boards. ISA bus on 0.1" headers. Standard stackable cards like the Pi Hats etc.

    • @gteixeira
      @gteixeira 3 роки тому

      That's actually a great idea!

  • @jamesburke2759
    @jamesburke2759 3 роки тому +5

    I love how your videos are all basically a how well does it run duke 3d :D the reason i tune in often

  • @Doobie3010
    @Doobie3010 3 роки тому +1

    ‘Beige is best!’ Another fantastic watch man.Always watch these all the way through. Interesting card that.

  • @bonky_in_space2025
    @bonky_in_space2025 Рік тому

    Gotta love the ESD protective PCB bags in the beginning of the video

  • @martincoufalik9101
    @martincoufalik9101 3 роки тому +102

    Some programmer needed to remind himself why is he doing things.

  • @lenovovo
    @lenovovo 3 роки тому +3

    Thanks for the delicious video LGR!! Have a great weekend dude!! :-)

  • @asherael
    @asherael 3 роки тому

    Man i really saw that issue with the DOM coming, it didn't look designed to share. glad you had something else to use, fascinating project, great content

  • @davideubank8606
    @davideubank8606 3 роки тому

    i played xargon so much as a kid but completely forgot about it. so many years ago, its a crazy feeling when all those memories just flood back into your head!!

  • @nathann0100
    @nathann0100 3 роки тому +3

    Pretty neat I'd like to have one of those as a novelty

  • @phodder
    @phodder 3 роки тому +13

    Definitely swap to the ISA only backplane! Gotta love the minimalism/masochism combo wombo!

  • @mustangmandal
    @mustangmandal 3 роки тому

    My hometown is right next to marlborough! Never heard of the company but a little googling revealed that they are some sort of software company that appears to still be in business but in a different town. Still I love any references to my state and Its cool that something that simple made it all the way to you! Thanks for making my day!

  • @govna47
    @govna47 3 роки тому +1

    I grew up playing all of those games. Talk about a trip back in time

  • @michaelmartin684
    @michaelmartin684 3 роки тому +27

    I love the total pointlessness of installing a single SBC in a case all by itself. It's exactly what I love about playing with vintage computers.

    • @vivanecrosis
      @vivanecrosis 3 роки тому +6

      At lest it won't get too hot from other components being too close such as GPU cards.

    • @highpath4776
      @highpath4776 3 роки тому

      given it needs a slot to do its thing ? does it ? can I hang it sideways in an old low profile plastic cased Olivetti 386 and see what happens !?

  • @jipillow1
    @jipillow1 3 роки тому +21

    Thank you Clint for giving us our first Christmas present of the year

  • @m8528
    @m8528 3 роки тому

    OMG... Im 39 years old, My mom was an accountent had them early, paid around 15.000 dollars for that system, 20 mb harddrive 4mb ram an olivetti, so had a pc in 1986, i went on to work on pc's and thus im familier, could do this in my sleep, was building pc's at the age off 14, had a sparetime job at a company, build a scsi tower, (an adaptec 2940 card) so expensive... cd Rom burner with seven drives in, had connected all the drives, but scsi was a bit more complicated... I made a cdrom tower they came and complained two of the drives wasen't working, hehe 3 Guys in suit's was looking at me while i fixed it, the most pressure ever, they all where in awe when i fixed it... Love this video, really wished you tweaked the autoexex.bat and config.sys😅

  • @JPFM2509
    @JPFM2509 3 роки тому +2

    Xargon.I just love this game. I played it during my childhood on computers like the one you set up. Greetings from Brazil

  • @JosephDAndrea0121
    @JosephDAndrea0121 3 роки тому +11

    IBM had a PC on a board product that was meant to be added to a power system so you could have a small linux system in you IBM power system to use as a management server

    • @johndododoe1411
      @johndododoe1411 3 роки тому +3

      Linux for PowerPC exists. It was often installed in Macintosh computers, but also came in variants for the professional PowerPC systems and some game consoles.

  • @robinbrowne5419
    @robinbrowne5419 3 роки тому +21

    As usual, the question is. Can it play DOOM?
    LGR: Who cares. It plays DUKE :-)

  • @SuperHns
    @SuperHns 3 роки тому +2

    ah 486 DX2 66 mhz, was my first Windows PC back in 1994, I remember hearing the Lion King game in DOS with SOUND BLASTER PRO, goddamn my ears just melted such crisp sound and music.

    • @shadowtheimpure
      @shadowtheimpure 3 роки тому

      The DX2 66 was also my first PC, though mine ran DOS with Windows 3.11 and OS/2 in a multi-boot setup. I loved that computer, and damn near cried when the AT PSU failed and took the board with it.

  • @TheGiulioSeverini
    @TheGiulioSeverini 3 роки тому

    Hi LGR, I really love your videos. You'd deserve more views, mate!