Tonally they're pretty much THE best closed back headphones out there. They have the most ideal Harman curve of all closed back headphones if you like this type of sound. The build quality is the only concern, they're not durable.
Mostly reflects my thoughts, although I'm finding the comfort lacking due to the extra weight and clamp force over the older 770/990/880. Its no less comfortable than the 1990 though but not really something I'm happy wearing all day
@@InaktiverUser No, I think the DT 700 Pro X is better than the DT 770, but not 100€ better. Both still have horrible timbre and bad tonal balance and are not worth it for music enjoyment.
I also didnt like the fit & comfort. The pads of the new ProX are NOT deeper and thicker, they are even a bit smaller mostly due to the rectangular shape. Additionally the Foamdiscs of the new Pro X models stick out more in the center part, taking away some Depth (770 and 990 have a flat surface). The headband was also a bit hard. IMO the old models are super comfy and look huge besides the compact new ProX...
Just picked up a set of the 900x’s and they’re really an interesting headphone to me. I’m a producer/songwriter/musician and they sound “neutral” to me. I use studio monitors with room calibration software and going back and forth is really comfortable. My first impression: these have my favorite lowend of any headphone I’ve tried outside of planars. It just feels like bass in a well controlled room to me. Never boomy, extremely detailed and nimble but unobtrusive. I like the tuning of the highs a lot, it avoids the ear fatiguing bump of other Beyer’s. The mids are where I’m not sure yet. They do actually sound slightly “dampened” compared to my Senn 6xx. Detail retrieval isn’t as good in that range, BUT, I still need to burn them in. Could open up more. I like the soundstage for mixing a lot. It’s not crazy wide or anything but everything is clearly delineated in the stereo field. Long story short: these are really comfortable for me as someone who relies on monitors primarily. They feel like a solid “Jack of all trades” middle ground for the work I do :)
@@bc_beats it does. I’d say the low end and the transient response is my favorite aspect of these cans. The low end isn’t boosted, so it’s not a bass head kind of frequency response. But what’s there feels tight and well represented going to sub. The weakness is midrange detail IMO; the Sennheiser 6xx feels more resolving in that range for example. I prefer the lows on the Beyers though a lot. The other aspect to be aware of is that the 900x isn’t super wide sounding. Image/soundstage is good but airs closer to the intimate side for open backs. But nice, balanced, punchy representation of the music. Definitely my fav Beyers I’ve tried.
need that 700 ASAP. my two main closed backs are the akg k361 and the bose qc45. both are fantastic, but not quite the same work horse that my 560s is for my home studio
K361 .... I mean my $20 Tribit ，a tiny water proof bluetooth earbuds is better than it The difference in sound quality is very ... subtle ,honestly they sound almost the same Don’t understand why so many UA-camrs recommend it ...Quite shocked actually
@@trendqiang3921 headphones are not the issue here but source used, if you are connecting k361s to your phone with no AMP then no suprise it sounds same or worse than your cheaper wireless headphones
The DT900 Pro x's are pretty awful imo. They barely sound that much more open than my DT770's. But that's not the real issue here. Unfortunately, the 900 Pro X's sound like there's a veil masking the clarity and vocals, everything sounds muffled and filtered. Where as the DT770's sound pretty crystal clear, more natural, and you can really pick out the fine details. Night and day difference really, although the DT770's have a little less warmth to them, but surprisingly sound open and spacious for a closed back. the DT770's truly are one of the best bang for your buck headphones that well surpasses it's sticker price imo. Short answer. pony up the cash for a pair of DCA E3's. :P
@@RabbitConfirmed I'm sticking with my DT880 Edition 32 Ohm, if only because of the much more comfortable contact pressure of only 2.8N. I could imagine 3.5 but anything above that would be too tight for me.
I feel like there won’t be a dt 800x because the dt 900x is like an in between of 880 and 990 signature. Mayb they should have called it dt 890x instead.
Got both the hd560s and dt900 pro x for Christmas. I enjoy both of them for different reasons. Overall I think i prefer the dt900 pro x for most genres of music because of the bass and fullness. I still find them much more detailed than my old hd599 and the soundstage is still decent. I think I prefer the hd560s for classical music and gaming because of the detail and sound stage.
I tried many headphones today which include the dt 990, dt 900, dt 1990 and hd 650 (with proper dac/amp in musicstore). Out of the box the dt 900 sound best in my opinion. The dt1990 were a touch better in soundstage and bringing things subtly, but were incredibly harsh, for me it wasnt just around the 8khz but the entire high frequency range. To me, for my kind of music (lets say tech house, techno, trap instrumentals, dubstep and hardstyle), dt 1990 were not more detailed than 900. So it was most definitely not worth 200 euro's more, especially if you need to eq it or buy custom filters/pads. Also dt900 easier to drive was convience for me not buying headphone amp but running it straight out of audio interface. Ended up buying dt 900 for mixing and mastering, I think they sound crazy good for the experiences i've had. In the end if possible, I would recommend trying out a lot headphones if possible to make the best purchasing decision for you. Also please dont kill me for having an opinion
Interesting. I found the difference in detail to be huge. Soundstage was also better on the 1990. Yes the beyer peak is there and you should eq that. Also I highly recommend using the balanced pads instead of the analytical ones. So in my opinion the 1990 are better. With that said. The 900 pro x sound very good for its price and i really liked the frequency response out of the box. You just plugged it in and they were fine and enjoyable. Gaming also great with these. In contrast to the review though I really cant recommend the 700 pro x. They dont have the advantages of the 900 pro x (frequency response, soundstage) and are just always lacking that detail.
Right now, my daily drivers are these and the Shure SRH 1540s. Perfect compliments for me. The Shures are wide with excellent midrange detail, but also very relaxed. Not fast and a little looser in the low-end. The 900x are tighter in the lows, nimble with a more “solid” presentation, just not quite as detailed. Frequency response wise they are both “neutral” enough and well balanced for the work I do. I think the 900x are more fun and the Shures are more analytical.
Was interested in trying the 900 Pro X, I have the Tygr’s, I guess i wont bother if you say the sound is too dampened and has less sound stage. I mostly play games but listen to music on occasion
No "ei" in the word, so there isn't a reason to pronounce with an "I" sound. You can see some common alternate spellings "Bayer", so he pronounced it absolutely correctly
@@ActionMan153 nah. JediJoker is absolutely right, the only right way to pronounce them is as the english word "buyer". But I don't think anybody should really care, everybody will know anyway what you are talking about, so whatever.
@@ActionMan153 No. "buyer" is the correct pronounciation. Doesn't matter if it's "ei", "ey", "ai", or "ay". Those are just historical differences. Rarely you can even find "ej". Source: am german.
TYGR 300R for its Imaging and overall use, HD560s for its soundstage and imaging along with clarity, or DT 900 Pro X? For 80 percent comp gaming at the highest level and 20 percent hifi audio listening, primarily well produced detailed EDM. I already own the TYGR and love them, just feels like they lack abit in clarity for music and could have better comp gaming from either 900 pro x or HD560s
I've compared the TYGR to the 1990 and my shp9500 and found them dreadful for gaming. Way to mudddy and bass boosted. I can imagine why people find them nice for bass heavy music and immersive gaming but for CS:GO and Apex (i.e. competitive shooters) the Philips were much better.
Hey DMS, do you feel that the 900 Pro X is a good buy solely for console gaming(specifically the PS5)? I own the DT 990 32ohm version, and though they are a bit bright, I find them amazing on games like Horizon Forbidden West. How would the 990 Pro X fair?
How do you feel this works for gaming with an emphasis on immersion and fun? I'm currently looking to try both the 900 pro and the Zeus. Do you feel the 900 pro would offer a more warm and fun gaming experience than the 560s?
Been using one for a month now! They are soo immersive and imaging is really good but like all the reviews said it brings the flaws on music. so games with really bad music tracks will sound meh.
I have the tygr and had the mmx100 neither are great just good or okay for gaming now are these any better my best head set was the turtle beach seven pro best sound separation specially at gun shots & position.
The first thing I noticed in the 700 pro x was it's lack of detail. But that allows me to listen to anything, all day, with no fatigue. They're cozy and they let me game in isolation with my ludicrously loud family around me. I think I'll keep them alongside my 560s and Sundara.
Badseed tech has mentioned that tygr is still the best possible option for gaming in his 900/700 review (as long as you dont mind the undetachable cable) you should check out his videos, he points out a lot of things for audio in gaming
Hi. How do you think the 48ohm impedance on the DT 700 Pro X will handle the 12 ohm output impedance on my source? Will use it on a guitar modeller with the mentioned output impedance and an audio interface with a 10ohm output impedance. Been really torn between the Pro X and the DT 770 250ohm for weeks now. Help.
I almost bought the 700 pro x until you said no to audiophiles. I do absolutely zero studio stuff. I am looking for a good CLOSED BACK headphone for music and games in this price range though. 🤔🤔
Between these two and the k361/371 which would be the most natural sounding for voiceover monitoring? No singing or instruments, just speech. Thanks Doug. You've not steered me wrong yet.
I have a pair of Yamaha HS8s in my recording studio, when I monitor on these and put my DT700 Pro X on, the sound stage and the EQ curves very similar, and this is a first for me, I was going to go for the 900 Pro X but decided on the 700 Pro X. Im glad I did. They are comfy, built like a tank, all parts changeable and over all a good sound, but what's more, its also tells you when a mix sounds shite, and being a musician, mixing engineer, producer etc, they are good for what they are. Coming from a pair of ATH-m50x, these are soooooo much better, I think the Audio Techika are over hyped, these have much better bass, and generally a warmer sound, less brighter and a better natural sound.
What a great comment~ I want to reconfirm that I am a gamer~ mainly used in the three aspects of games~~ movies~ music~ and I already have HD560S, do I need to consider DT 700 and 900 proX?
if dms says it's worse than hd560, which in itself is a class or two below hd600, not to mention the 650 (all of which the dms himself failed to notice) , it's likely a POC compared to the venerable 6** series.
@@laicphk mate I hate to break this 2 you but headphone "soundstage" is a ridiculous concept coined by clueless 'audiophile' dumbasses and their ilk. With headphones the objective truth is this - less 'soundstage' = more goodness.
@@john2335 oh really? But for gaming Id like to have a headphone that can able to tell me the sounds direction & distance, how should I describe this instead of "soundstage"?
@@laicphk oops I missed the gaming part :D Personally the 650 works better for me than for example the supposed soundstage king hd800 - the latter adds this artificial width to everything that find annoying and not helpful in any way. Ofc in the end it's all a matter of taste so YMMV.
I'm in a similar boat deciding between the HD 560s and DT 900 Pro X as I want to try open back, from the research I've done it sounds like the 560s are fully open back with more detail while the 900 Pro X is semi open back with more bass which I see benefits to both depending what I'm listening to. I'd probably be getting a Fiio K3s to run them out of which feels like a little bit of a waste to just use with 120 ohm headphones hence part of the reason I'm looking at DT 900 Pro X plus the build quality looks much nicer though I'd probably have to order them from Australia as nowhere in New Zealand sells them unlike the 560s... I'm quite split right now.
First of your videos I've seen. Immediately subbed when you mentioned your plugs, I'm at an inch and it's over-ear and on-ear impact can be very annoying. Glad you thought to say something about that!
Having the DT900 Pro X and, sundara, DT1990 PRO, 560s, (etc) I highly disagree with the detail part. The DT900, have a ton of detail, it's like DT1990 pro and 560s had a baby. Paired w/ a proper amp, has amazing detail, both in highs and sub-bass.
Yup I agree. 900 Pro X has really nice detail, I’d put it above or around the Sundara level. And it’s surprisingly smooth. Only issue I had was the comfort, which is unfortunate considering it sounds great.
@@SpiritualPsychotherapyServices the "In-Ear Fidelity" Frequency Response Target. Developed and patented by Crinacle. You might be familiar with Harman Target, and IEF is similar in nature.
In this case, he means the cloth like material in front of the driver. In my experience, all Beyers use a little too much of that to tame the highs. It makes the sound blunted or soft compared to actual open backs. With then new Beyers it seems they've used even more dampening material.
Think of it as tuning speakers by putting drapes over them or something. That would make no sense but for headphones it's a "cheap" way to tune certain aspects of the sound.
I have the SONY7506, they are good but the cup is too shallow, which makes my ears hurts sometimes. SO which would be better to replace SONY? 900 or 700?
I am having this weird issue when im using the dt700 pro x. I’m getting this electric noise kinda like rapid clicks and pops pingponging in the headphones from time to time. I don’t know what to do as it’s hard to pinpoint the issue. I am using my dt700 with an audio interface (presonus audiobox itwo) which is connected to my MacBook Pro m1 2020 through a powered usb hub (caldigi element hub)
I doubt Beyer would discontinue those legendary headphones. They all have a dedicated following and still sell extremely well. And from the reviews neither of these can do what the DT 990 and DT 880 are praised for.
Plan to replace my hd650 with the dt900! The 650 have made my mixes a lot better but is so unplesant to listen on (to me). I deffinetely feel like I'm gona miss the detail and tighter bass but these just seem to fit my taste in tuning, fit and statig so much better!
Would you recommend the 700/900 pro x for gaming or other beyerdynamic headphones? I play mostly Roleplaying games or Shooter. Thank you very much for the video
I have the DT 700 PRO X and I'm using it for listening to music and playing PC games. My amplification stack is the Schiit stack (Modi 3+ and IEMagni). I play RPG, MMO, and FPS games and the DT 700 PRO X doesn't disappoint me, even one bit. This is subjective, because each person's hearing capability is different, but to my ears, the DT 700 PRO X sounds excellent. Despite it's closed back, but the soundstage and directional audio clues are quite phenomenon. In BF1, I'm still able to detect footsteps, screams, explosions, and gunshots comfortably. When it comes to Guild Wars 2, the slight-boosted bass adds some epicness to the sound, makes the game more fun to play, without overwhelming details and conversations. Of course, there's no Beyerdynamic's harsh trebles here, just smooth and engaging sound. Kinda reminds me of the Sennheiser HD 6XX, but with boosted bass. Hope this info help.
Hey @@e234darkrock, I also have the HD 560S in my possession. Comparing to the DT 700 PRO X, the HD 560S sounds airier and more open. The HD 560S also has more details, but, to my ears, not by much. I'm talking about 10% (max) and mostly subtle details, not the important ones. This happens to me when I use the HD 560S for gaming, when I crank up the volume in order to hear footsteps, gunshots, and other audio effects better, not only they sound pretty harsh, but everything is no longer directional and distinctive. It's like I'm in a pit at a rock concert. I don't have that issue with the DT 700 PRO X, I think it's because of the closed back, so whatever is on the left-hand side, will stay on the left-hand side, the same for the right side. I hope these descriptions help, and again, these are my opinions and what I hear through my ears. Your mileage will vary. I'm also thinking of buying the foam discs of the 1990 PRO and try them on the DT 700 PRO X to see if they'll help with adding more details and airiness into the overall sound signature and balance out the lows just a tiny bit more.
@@QuangFarrellNguyen Thank you very much for the commentary that you agreed with. In terms of the game, do you think 700 is better or 900 is better? Is it a big upgrade from hd560s to 700/900?
@@e234darkrock It really depends on your preference, natural hearing capability, and the surrounding environment. My 900 PRO X is currently backordered, and it's gonna take about 3 weeks from now for NA Beyerdynamic to ship it to me, so I can't say anything about it yet. I'll definitely let you know how it sounds, compared to the 700 PRO X. My preliminary prediction is that it will have the imaging of the HD 560S, slightly more sub basses, slightly more trebles, while the midranges is somewhat similar. If you're playing games in a semi-noisy or downright noisy environment, the 700 PRO X will be your best bet. If possible, you can order both the 700 and the 900 and have a good listening session with them. More specifically, 4 to 5 hours.
Would the 900 pro x be a nice upgrade over the Tygr 300r? Looking for a bit more quality bass thump the Tygr has nice sub bass but mid and upper bass is lacking a bit. Not a basshead just love my dose of bass. Wanna give my tygrs away if this is a nice worthwhile upgrade
@@doenstopp Hey i ended up purchashing 2 different headsets, Harmonicdyne Athena and AKG K702, and my favorite of all 3 is the K702 because of the insane soundstage, and also a lot more clear over the tygr300r you can boost the bass in the EQ and it sounds very full without losing detail. My next go to direct upgrade over the K702 would have to be a Sennheiser HD800S
@@elyad67 thx so much for taking time out of your day to answer!! I think I will keep my TYGRs though cause I like them. But I guess I’ll look into the k702. Again many thanks and have a good one brother !!!!
@@doenstopp Your welcome man, I also still use my Tygr300R a lot when using 3.5mm input devices the imaging on it is one of the best in it’s price range and it aso has very good vocals!
Would have liked to know the differences comparing to the 990/770, Pro, Edition, 80 Ohm, 250 Ohm,... everyone in detail and under 4 hours... seriously though, mostly just if they are again making that mess of a product portfolio. :D Did you mention the connector type for the detachable cable?
Hey DMS! I use a pair of DT's 770PRO (80 Ohm) for my music production. I love them, they translate great to my speakers and I don't plan on changing them. Since I spend most of the time producing on the headphones, would you recommend a pair of DT's 900 Pro X for mixing? I've never had any experiences with an open back headphone but it seems to be the logical step. Thank you for your work!
hey buddy, we might share same values on the usages, I have bought in 2016 dt 990 and tried later the 770 250ohm with regret not purchasing it becuase its better and less harshness on the highs. Now I was wondering lately for production and mixing, the dynamics and excitments on the 900's are good or the 700's since its a closed. Did you end up liking the 900's ?
I think, this is the only review of a Beyerdynamic headphone by DMS, where he didn't say a lot of consequences. I am putting these on my list now. I'm hooked.
Great review - thanks! Question: I have an Aune T1 and listen to a mix of vocal trance and Eurodance. Would this be the best for those? I have an Aune T1 DAC/Amp.
Hello thank you for the review. I have a question please. I am relatively new to world of HiFi. I am planning to buy 900 Pro X for listening to my audio. I like headphones that provide wide open soundstage which to me is the opposite of headphones that provide an experience like the sound is coming from inside your head. How are the pro 900x in that regard? Can I expect a sound like I'm listening to speakers instead of headphones? Thanks
What's up, these DT 700 Pro X have to be burned in BEFORE?, if so, how long would I have to burned in them?, any recommendations? ..... thanks and GREETINGS!
Just curious did you end up noticing a difference after burning in or using them for a while? I thought burn in was kinda bs most of my life, but these have gotten noticeably better after using them non stop for about 2 months. I have the 900s though.
Where can I see the lack of detail on a graph? I have both and I don't notice lack of detail with them. That is compared to HD600 and Sundara, but I also have higher end headphones and IEMs like IER-Z1R, ThieAudio Monarch, Denon D9200 and Focal Utopia, so I have heard enough to know what detail is. No, these Beyers don't match a Utopia in detail, but for their price, they are not lacking it at all IMO. And like I said, how do you measure detail anyway? How can we prove something is more or less detailed? Both DT900 and 700 are great in terms of distortion, impulse response and decay across the board - check the measurements at DIY Audio Heaven. Isn't that the best objective evidence we have so far of detail? I am impressed with the separation of both and both sound subjectively more detailed to me than the K371, which I also own. Or at least they have better separation than the K371 IMO.
The K371 is a closed back. You can only compare it with the 700, but not with the 900. And how does the comparison fall between the 900 and the 880 Edition! ? (please not Pro, because they have a higher clamping force and thus sound a little different again). I asked DIY Audio heaven about the difference between 900 and 880 in terms of imaging, details and analytical(I listen to 80% classical music and soundtracks. These parameters are important to me) and Solderdude replied:"IMO DT 880 is more detailed"... "When you use the DT 880 as is the DT900 might not be what you are looking for. That said, later 880´s are warmer than the earlier ones"(watch out DIY Audio Heaven DT900 pro x comments).
Muddy seems like an inaccurate description having listened to these. the bass is extended and mildly elevated and but not bleeding into the mids in a way that might make them muddy. Sounds like you want an headphone with hyped treble to cut through the bass like the DT770
Anyone have an opinion on the 900 pro x vs the 560s for imaging in games? I have the 700 pro x but am returning it as the ability to locate sounds was just way better on the 560s but I have my eye on the 900s.
@@brendanmueller49 I have the HD 560S, do you recommend the DT 900 Pro X more, for some superior feature? I'm interested in buying them, but I don't know if it's worth it, taking into account the starting price of both models. Thanks!
@@juancarlosguzmancamara5578 if you can return the 560s and use that money towards the 900. If not I would stick with the 560s. The 900 have more bass and are more comfortable on my head. But not worth owning both or paying the extra $300 if you are stuck with the 560s.
Hit the nail in the head. Beyer build + k371 sound is legitimate contender for the only closed back you need
Maybe that's what the 800 Pro would/will be.
Really? Is the sound of k371 really soo good compared to dt770 pro or the new 700 pro x?
@@meanmachine6173 tonally? Definitely. K371 and k361 are tge best tuned closed back headphones under 500 dollars. Maybe even more
Tonally they're pretty much THE best closed back headphones out there. They have the most ideal Harman curve of all closed back headphones if you like this type of sound. The build quality is the only concern, they're not durable.
I'll stick with my DT880-250 although I have to admit that I'm occasionally tempted by the insane VFM offered by the old DT770. Thanks for the video.
I just got the 900 for my home studio in my appartment and I absolutely love them!
Mostly reflects my thoughts, although I'm finding the comfort lacking due to the extra weight and clamp force over the older 770/990/880. Its no less comfortable than the 1990 though but not really something I'm happy wearing all day
I found them much more comfortable than the old ones tbh. But I never had problems with clamp force to begin with.
Dt770 better than dt700? I cant decide between this 2
After using these, I ended up returning them and going back to the 560s. Just something about them, can't quite put my finger on it
@@InaktiverUser No, I think the DT 700 Pro X is better than the DT 770, but not 100€ better. Both still have horrible timbre and bad tonal balance and are not worth it for music enjoyment.
I also didnt like the fit & comfort. The pads of the new ProX are NOT deeper and thicker, they are even a bit smaller mostly due to the rectangular shape. Additionally the Foamdiscs of the new Pro X models stick out more in the center part, taking away some Depth (770 and 990 have a flat surface). The headband was also a bit hard.
IMO the old models are super comfy and look huge besides the compact new ProX...
Just picked up a set of the 900x’s and they’re really an interesting headphone to me. I’m a producer/songwriter/musician and they sound “neutral” to me. I use studio monitors with room calibration software and going back and forth is really comfortable. My first impression: these have my favorite lowend of any headphone I’ve tried outside of planars. It just feels like bass in a well controlled room to me. Never boomy, extremely detailed and nimble but unobtrusive. I like the tuning of the highs a lot, it avoids the ear fatiguing bump of other Beyer’s. The mids are where I’m not sure yet. They do actually sound slightly “dampened” compared to my Senn 6xx. Detail retrieval isn’t as good in that range, BUT, I still need to burn them in. Could open up more. I like the soundstage for mixing a lot. It’s not crazy wide or anything but everything is clearly delineated in the stereo field. Long story short: these are really comfortable for me as someone who relies on monitors primarily. They feel like a solid “Jack of all trades” middle ground for the work I do :)
I’m very close to pulling the trigger on these as well. Sounds like your low end translates well from these headphones to the car, phone speaker, etc?
@@bc_beats it does. I’d say the low end and the transient response is my favorite aspect of these cans. The low end isn’t boosted, so it’s not a bass head kind of frequency response. But what’s there feels tight and well represented going to sub. The weakness is midrange detail IMO; the Sennheiser 6xx feels more resolving in that range for example. I prefer the lows on the Beyers though a lot. The other aspect to be aware of is that the 900x isn’t super wide sounding. Image/soundstage is good but airs closer to the intimate side for open backs. But nice, balanced, punchy representation of the music. Definitely my fav Beyers I’ve tried.
@@mrnelsonius5631 thanks for sharing!!
need that 700 ASAP. my two main closed backs are the akg k361 and the bose qc45. both are fantastic, but not quite the same work horse that my 560s is for my home studio
K361 .... I mean my $20 Tribit ，a tiny water proof bluetooth earbuds is better than it
The difference in sound quality is very ... subtle ,honestly they sound almost the same
Don’t understand why so many UA-camrs recommend it ...Quite shocked actually
@@trendqiang3921 Bullshit
@@trendqiang3921 headphones are not the issue here but source used, if you are connecting k361s to your phone with no AMP then no suprise it sounds same or worse than your cheaper wireless headphones
finally i’ve been waiting
how is the DT900 pro X vs he DT1990? For mixing and mastering.. Thanks
The DT900 Pro x's are pretty awful imo. They barely sound that much more open than my DT770's. But that's not the real issue here. Unfortunately, the 900 Pro X's sound like there's a veil masking the clarity and vocals, everything sounds muffled and filtered. Where as the DT770's sound pretty crystal clear, more natural, and you can really pick out the fine details. Night and day difference really, although the DT770's have a little less warmth to them, but surprisingly sound open and spacious for a closed back. the DT770's truly are one of the best bang for your buck headphones that well surpasses it's sticker price imo.
Short answer. pony up the cash for a pair of DCA E3's. :P
Tbh it would be amazing if they make the 800 as this hyper detailed but also flat masterpiece
or a new version of the DT 1770, so the DT 1700 then :)
@@RabbitConfirmed could be neat
@@Poor_Wayfaring_Stranger ua-cam.com/video/Wv22GZVq7PE/v-deo.html
Just found your answer btw. Probably won't going to make a DT 800 it seems
@@RabbitConfirmed welp that sucks
@@RabbitConfirmed I'm sticking with my DT880 Edition 32 Ohm, if only because of the much more comfortable contact pressure of only 2.8N. I could imagine 3.5 but anything above that would be too tight for me.
I feel like there won’t be a dt 800x because the dt 900x is like an in between of 880 and 990 signature. Mayb they should have called it dt 890x instead.
So the Pro line is great for Pros, that's what I like to hear
Got both the hd560s and dt900 pro x for Christmas. I enjoy both of them for different reasons. Overall I think i prefer the dt900 pro x for most genres of music because of the bass and fullness. I still find them much more detailed than my old hd599 and the soundstage is still decent. I think I prefer the hd560s for classical music and gaming because of the detail and sound stage.
What games do you play with them?
I tried many headphones today which include the dt 990, dt 900, dt 1990 and hd 650 (with proper dac/amp in musicstore). Out of the box the dt 900 sound best in my opinion. The dt1990 were a touch better in soundstage and bringing things subtly, but were incredibly harsh, for me it wasnt just around the 8khz but the entire high frequency range. To me, for my kind of music (lets say tech house, techno, trap instrumentals, dubstep and hardstyle), dt 1990 were not more detailed than 900. So it was most definitely not worth 200 euro's more, especially if you need to eq it or buy custom filters/pads. Also dt900 easier to drive was convience for me not buying headphone amp but running it straight out of audio interface. Ended up buying dt 900 for mixing and mastering, I think they sound crazy good for the experiences i've had. In the end if possible, I would recommend trying out a lot headphones if possible to make the best purchasing decision for you. Also please dont kill me for having an opinion
Interesting. I found the difference in detail to be huge. Soundstage was also better on the 1990. Yes the beyer peak is there and you should eq that. Also I highly recommend using the balanced pads instead of the analytical ones. So in my opinion the 1990 are better. With that said. The 900 pro x sound very good for its price and i really liked the frequency response out of the box. You just plugged it in and they were fine and enjoyable. Gaming also great with these.
In contrast to the review though I really cant recommend the 700 pro x. They dont have the advantages of the 900 pro x (frequency response, soundstage) and are just always lacking that detail.
Right now, my daily drivers are these and the Shure SRH 1540s. Perfect compliments for me. The Shures are wide with excellent midrange detail, but also very relaxed. Not fast and a little looser in the low-end. The 900x are tighter in the lows, nimble with a more “solid” presentation, just not quite as detailed. Frequency response wise they are both “neutral” enough and well balanced for the work I do. I think the 900x are more fun and the Shures are more analytical.
Lord what took Beyerdynamic SO LONG to give us detachable cables!! Literally THE reason that kept me from getting the former models.
slowly releasing stuff 1 by 1. thats the way for all dang tech companies.....
Now they have to make some decent comfortable headbands left to make and we'll have what we need xD
Just bought the Tygr 300r. Sounds like the Tygr would be the more fun and musical option over these for home listening?
Definately
I have TYGR's and the 900 Pro X (and the 990's) and....yes...definitely.
Hi there! I'd like to ask which one of these are good for gaming like FPS and as a daily driver. Many thanks!
Wow, they really improved on the 990.
I personally think that worn pad 990 is still a fantastic headphone and is better than the 900 pro x.
@@SugaFree2387 LOL
Was interested in trying the 900 Pro X, I have the Tygr’s, I guess i wont bother if you say the sound is too dampened and has less sound stage. I mostly play games but listen to music on occasion
Same here..tygr rulezz..coupled with ifi zen dac it.s heavenly
@@gabonesmith4750 it really is
Hooray! Excited for this one!
Once people are able to do a pad swap, I'm betting these will be phenomenal
Thats what im thinking.
Being a German name, "Beyer" is pronounced like the English word "buyer."
No "ei" in the word, so there isn't a reason to pronounce with an "I" sound. You can see some common alternate spellings "Bayer", so he pronounced it absolutely correctly
@@ActionMan153 nah. JediJoker is absolutely right, the only right way to pronounce them is as the english word "buyer". But I don't think anybody should really care, everybody will know anyway what you are talking about, so whatever.
@Maya S. Sweet response lol our language roots are similar lol
@@ActionMan153 No. "buyer" is the correct pronounciation. Doesn't matter if it's "ei", "ey", "ai", or "ay". Those are just historical differences. Rarely you can even find "ej". Source: am german.
@Maya S. Hast dich einfach an die englische Aussprache gewöhnt. :P
Nice video as always! I was wondering how the 900 PRO X compare to the TYGR 300 R for gaming? Both competitive fps and nice RPG immersion.
You might also want to consider the HarmonicDyne Zeus. From everything I've heard it has great positional audio and soundstage.
@@eatscrayons4538 Hey thanks for your input😄, I'll give them a look👍
Hmmm, okay I think I'll go with the TYGR. Great video.
TYGR 300R for its Imaging and overall use, HD560s for its soundstage and imaging along with clarity, or DT 900 Pro X? For 80 percent comp gaming at the highest level and 20 percent hifi audio listening, primarily well produced detailed EDM. I already own the TYGR and love them, just feels like they lack abit in clarity for music and could have better comp gaming from either 900 pro x or HD560s
I've compared the TYGR to the 1990 and my shp9500 and found them dreadful for gaming. Way to mudddy and bass boosted. I can imagine why people find them nice for bass heavy music and immersive gaming but for CS:GO and Apex (i.e. competitive
shooters) the Philips were much better.
The video I have been waiting for!!
Hey DMS, do you feel that the 900 Pro X is a good buy solely for console gaming(specifically the PS5)? I own the DT 990 32ohm version, and though they are a bit bright, I find them amazing on games like Horizon Forbidden West. How would the 990 Pro X fair?
DT900 pro x or 560s?
How do you feel this works for gaming with an emphasis on immersion and fun? I'm currently looking to try both the 900 pro and the Zeus. Do you feel the 900 pro would offer a more warm and fun gaming experience than the 560s?
Tyger 300
Probably the zeus for what you're looking for, but I'm not sure
check out fresh reviews
@@ACE112ACE112 Agreed been watching him for many months now and the dude puts out super solid awesome reviews :).
Been using one for a month now! They are soo immersive and imaging is really good but like all the reviews said it brings the flaws on music. so games with really bad music tracks will sound meh.
I have the tygr and had the mmx100 neither are great just good or okay for gaming now are these any better my best head set was the turtle beach seven pro best sound separation specially at gun shots & position.
The first thing I noticed in the 700 pro x was it's lack of detail. But that allows me to listen to anything, all day, with no fatigue. They're cozy and they let me game in isolation with my ludicrously loud family around me. I think I'll keep them alongside my 560s and Sundara.
Do you use a amp? Also, how are the footsteps?
TYGR 300R vs 900 Pro X for FPS gaming, fire away!
Badseed tech has mentioned that tygr is still the best possible option for gaming in his 900/700 review (as long as you dont mind the undetachable cable) you should check out his videos, he points out a lot of things for audio in gaming
you can check Fresh Reviews' videos
Hi. How do you think the 48ohm impedance on the DT 700 Pro X will handle the 12 ohm output impedance on my source? Will use it on a guitar modeller with the mentioned output impedance and an audio interface with a 10ohm output impedance.
Been really torn between the Pro X and the DT 770 250ohm for weeks now.
Help.
Ayy was waiting on this thanks!
I have them, I love them as audiophiles, sometimes I like a more neutral sound.
I almost bought the 700 pro x until you said no to audiophiles. I do absolutely zero studio stuff.
I am looking for a good CLOSED BACK headphone for music and games in this price range though. 🤔🤔
These vs the 560s for fps gaming only. What’s everyone use?
I have 900 and hd 560s and prefer the 900 for gaming and 560s for everything else
What are better than these DTs for audiophile in this $300 price range? Thanks in advance.
great video as always, what would be better for gaming at of dt990 pro, 770 pro, 900 pro x or 700 pro x ?
900 pro x are great. 700 pro x definitely not. thats all I can say
Between these two and the k361/371 which would be the most natural sounding for voiceover monitoring? No singing or instruments, just speech. Thanks Doug. You've not steered me wrong yet.
371
I have a pair of Yamaha HS8s in my recording studio, when I monitor on these and put my DT700 Pro X on, the sound stage and the EQ curves very similar, and this is a first for me, I was going to go for the 900 Pro X but decided on the 700 Pro X. Im glad I did. They are comfy, built like a tank, all parts changeable and over all a good sound, but what's more, its also tells you when a mix sounds shite, and being a musician, mixing engineer, producer etc, they are good for what they are. Coming from a pair of ATH-m50x, these are soooooo much better, I think the Audio Techika are over hyped, these have much better bass, and generally a warmer sound, less brighter and a better natural sound.
What a great comment~ I want to reconfirm that I am a gamer~ mainly used in the three aspects of games~~ movies~ music~ and I already have HD560S, do I need to consider DT 700 and 900 proX?
How DT900 Pro X sounds compared to HD600 in terms of detail and treble?
if dms says it's worse than hd560, which in itself is a class or two below hd600, not to mention the 650 (all of which the dms himself failed to notice) , it's likely a POC compared to the venerable 6** series.
am using hd6xx and was wondering the dt900 prox can be a step up for gaming especially FPS that requires good soundstage, guess this is not the case..
@@laicphk mate I hate to break this 2 you but headphone "soundstage" is a ridiculous concept coined by clueless 'audiophile' dumbasses and their ilk. With headphones the objective truth is this - less 'soundstage' = more goodness.
@@john2335 oh really? But for gaming Id like to have a headphone that can able to tell me the sounds direction & distance, how should I describe this instead of "soundstage"?
@@laicphk oops I missed the gaming part :D Personally the 650 works better for me than for example the supposed soundstage king hd800 - the latter adds this artificial width to everything that find annoying and not helpful in any way. Ofc in the end it's all a matter of taste so YMMV.
DMS, which would you recommend the most for mixing and mastering music. DT 1990 pro, DT 900 pro X or HD 560s?
I'm in a similar boat deciding between the HD 560s and DT 900 Pro X as I want to try open back, from the research I've done it sounds like the 560s are fully open back with more detail while the 900 Pro X is semi open back with more bass which I see benefits to both depending what I'm listening to. I'd probably be getting a Fiio K3s to run them out of which feels like a little bit of a waste to just use with 120 ohm headphones hence part of the reason I'm looking at DT 900 Pro X plus the build quality looks much nicer though I'd probably have to order them from Australia as nowhere in New Zealand sells them unlike the 560s... I'm quite split right now.
First of your videos I've seen. Immediately subbed when you mentioned your plugs, I'm at an inch and it's over-ear and on-ear impact can be very annoying. Glad you thought to say something about that!
Having the DT900 Pro X and, sundara, DT1990 PRO, 560s, (etc) I highly disagree with the detail part. The DT900, have a ton of detail, it's like DT1990 pro and 560s had a baby. Paired w/ a proper amp, has amazing detail, both in highs and sub-bass.
Yup I agree. 900 Pro X has really nice detail, I’d put it above or around the Sundara level. And it’s surprisingly smooth. Only issue I had was the comfort, which is unfortunate considering it sounds great.
560s or r70x or 900x for pop and hiphop?
would have liked to have it compared to 1770 and 1990 not just 770 and 990
So now it's time to watch your opinion on my top hp under 500 euro. Did you listen to the ATH-R70x?
Wow, the 900 pro X tracks the IEF almost to a T.
What is "IEF"?
@@SpiritualPsychotherapyServices the "In-Ear Fidelity" Frequency Response Target. Developed and patented by Crinacle.
You might be familiar with Harman Target, and IEF is similar in nature.
Would you explain how the dampening is implemented in manufacturing processes? Like winding the coil in a specific way?
In this case, he means the cloth like material in front of the driver. In my experience, all Beyers use a little too much of that to tame the highs. It makes the sound blunted or soft compared to actual open backs. With then new Beyers it seems they've used even more dampening material.
Think of it as tuning speakers by putting drapes over them or something. That would make no sense but for headphones it's a "cheap" way to tune certain aspects of the sound.
If they ever update the Tygr I hope they leave the signature alone.
Hey it looks like my advice on the way the cups attach worked its way up from the instagram rep to the top! No more plastic tabs snapping off
I wish you compared these to Tygr 300
I have the SONY7506, they are good but the cup is too shallow, which makes my ears hurts sometimes. SO which would be better to replace SONY? 900 or 700?
please make a video on best headphones for soundstage or imaging for playing games
check out Fresh Reviews, he exactly does that
Easy. R70x, hd6xx, hifiman anada, dt 900 pro x
Great video! Been waiting on this review. Thx!
I am having this weird issue when im using the dt700 pro x. I’m getting this electric noise kinda like rapid clicks and pops pingponging in the headphones from time to time. I don’t know what to do as it’s hard to pinpoint the issue. I am using my dt700 with an audio interface (presonus audiobox itwo) which is connected to my MacBook Pro m1 2020 through a powered usb hub (caldigi element hub)
Another solid video, but do these replace the existing DT770 and DT900? Or is it just those but slightly tweaked with a detachable cable?
DT770 Pro is really bad. Its treble peak is insane.
I doubt Beyer would discontinue those legendary headphones. They all have a dedicated following and still sell extremely well. And from the reviews neither of these can do what the DT 990 and DT 880 are praised for.
@@allansh828 yeah it is but it sure is comfortable and is great for listening to podcasts and long gaming sessions
Plan to replace my hd650 with the dt900! The 650 have made my mixes a lot better but is so unplesant to listen on (to me). I deffinetely feel like I'm gona miss the detail and tighter bass but these just seem to fit my taste in tuning, fit and statig so much better!
Would you recommend the 700/900 pro x for gaming or other beyerdynamic headphones? I play mostly Roleplaying games or Shooter. Thank you very much for the video
I have the DT 700 PRO X and I'm using it for listening to music and playing PC games. My amplification stack is the Schiit stack (Modi 3+ and IEMagni). I play RPG, MMO, and FPS games and the DT 700 PRO X doesn't disappoint me, even one bit. This is subjective, because each person's hearing capability is different, but to my ears, the DT 700 PRO X sounds excellent. Despite it's closed back, but the soundstage and directional audio clues are quite phenomenon. In BF1, I'm still able to detect footsteps, screams, explosions, and gunshots comfortably. When it comes to Guild Wars 2, the slight-boosted bass adds some epicness to the sound, makes the game more fun to play, without overwhelming details and conversations. Of course, there's no Beyerdynamic's harsh trebles here, just smooth and engaging sound. Kinda reminds me of the Sennheiser HD 6XX, but with boosted bass. Hope this info help.
@@QuangFarrellNguyen How about comparing with HD560s? Do I need to buy DT 700 again?
Hey @@e234darkrock, I also have the HD 560S in my possession. Comparing to the DT 700 PRO X, the HD 560S sounds airier and more open. The HD 560S also has more details, but, to my ears, not by much. I'm talking about 10% (max) and mostly subtle details, not the important ones.
This happens to me when I use the HD 560S for gaming, when I crank up the volume in order to hear footsteps, gunshots, and other audio effects better, not only they sound pretty harsh, but everything is no longer directional and distinctive. It's like I'm in a pit at a rock concert. I don't have that issue with the DT 700 PRO X, I think it's because of the closed back, so whatever is on the left-hand side, will stay on the left-hand side, the same for the right side.
I hope these descriptions help, and again, these are my opinions and what I hear through my ears. Your mileage will vary.
I'm also thinking of buying the foam discs of the 1990 PRO and try them on the DT 700 PRO X to see if they'll help with adding more details and airiness into the overall sound signature and balance out the lows just a tiny bit more.
@@QuangFarrellNguyen Thank you very much for the commentary that you agreed with. In terms of the game, do you think 700 is better or 900 is better? Is it a big upgrade from hd560s to 700/900?
@@e234darkrock It really depends on your preference, natural hearing capability, and the surrounding environment.
My 900 PRO X is currently backordered, and it's gonna take about 3 weeks from now for NA Beyerdynamic to ship it to me, so I can't say anything about it yet. I'll definitely let you know how it sounds, compared to the 700 PRO X. My preliminary prediction is that it will have the imaging of the HD 560S, slightly more sub basses, slightly more trebles, while the midranges is somewhat similar.
If you're playing games in a semi-noisy or downright noisy environment, the 700 PRO X will be your best bet. If possible, you can order both the 700 and the 900 and have a good listening session with them. More specifically, 4 to 5 hours.
Please make a comparison between the DT 900 Pro X and the 1990 Pro!!!
how are the 900 pro x for gaming and how do they compare to the the tygr 300's for the same purpose performance wise and also in terms of value?
you can check Fresh Reviews' video
Thanks DMS. Your explanations are very good.
Would the 900 pro x be a nice upgrade over the Tygr 300r? Looking for a bit more quality bass thump the Tygr has nice sub bass but mid and upper bass is lacking a bit. Not a basshead just love my dose of bass. Wanna give my tygrs away if this is a nice worthwhile upgrade
Hey there, what did you end up with? And what are your experiences? I’m in a similar situation :)
@@doenstopp
Hey i ended up purchashing 2 different headsets, Harmonicdyne Athena and AKG K702, and my favorite of all 3 is the K702 because of the insane soundstage, and also a lot more clear over the tygr300r you can boost the bass in the EQ and it sounds very full without losing detail. My next go to direct upgrade over the K702 would have to be a Sennheiser HD800S
@@elyad67 thx so much for taking time out of your day to answer!! I think I will keep my TYGRs though cause I like them. But I guess I’ll look into the k702.
Again many thanks and have a good one brother !!!!
@@doenstopp
Your welcome man, I also still use my Tygr300R a lot when using 3.5mm input devices the imaging on it is one of the best in it’s price range and it aso has very good vocals!
The problem is the driver itself. They can tune the treble spike out with damping but it kills the detail.
Those pads look absolutely STELLAR!!!
Got the audio Technica M50x so I wonder if they are worth switching out with one of these headphones 🎧
I just bought these over the 560s mainly to listen to music even though the sennies seem a bit better since the beyers are built so much better
Would a pad swap help with the dampened experience?
in the uk at least, the dt880's are allmost the same price as the 700/700 pro x, yet the 770/990 pro are both around £110
So would you say that, say, the DT 770 80 Ohm is better for detail music listening?
Vs tygr?
Would have liked to know the differences comparing to the 990/770, Pro, Edition, 80 Ohm, 250 Ohm,... everyone in detail and under 4 hours... seriously though, mostly just if they are again making that mess of a product portfolio. :D
Did you mention the connector type for the detachable cable?
are these any good for gaming or is the hd560s and 600 better?
Was waiting for Black Friday to buy the DT 1990 pro but now I’m wondering if I should wait incase the DT 1990 pro x come out
wouldn't it be call 1900 pro X?
@@MichaelSidneyTimpson yeah I guess so but just the concept of an upgraded DT 1990 pro
Awesome video. Which headset has better imaging dt 900 pro x or the dt 1990?
TYGR.
@@dannybos7024 you wish
I've heard a lot of people having problems with the cables n the foam cussion on dt700's. Have many people had this problem?
In the end you have confused me..Does 900 has good soundstage - separation or better with the hd?
Are you ever going to take a look at the t1 gen3?
Are tubes in the background the xduoo TA26 and McIntosh MHA200? I do hope we get a review of thse soon :)
How would you compare these to something like the Tygr 300Rs when it comes to general music listening & gaming?
Hey DMS! I use a pair of DT's 770PRO (80 Ohm) for my music production. I love them, they translate great to my speakers and I don't plan on changing them. Since I spend most of the time producing on the headphones, would you recommend a pair of DT's 900 Pro X for mixing? I've never had any experiences with an open back headphone but it seems to be the logical step.
Thank you for your work!
hey buddy, we might share same values on the usages, I have bought in 2016 dt 990 and tried later the 770 250ohm with regret not purchasing it becuase its better and less harshness on the highs. Now I was wondering lately for production and mixing, the dynamics and excitments on the 900's are good or the 700's since its a closed. Did you end up liking the 900's ?
I think, this is the only review of a Beyerdynamic headphone by DMS, where he didn't say a lot of consequences.
I am putting these on my list now. I'm hooked.
I'm extremely interested in these versus my Neumann NDH20 for professional work
Great review - thanks! Question: I have an Aune T1 and listen to a mix of vocal trance and Eurodance. Would this be the best for those? I have an Aune T1 DAC/Amp.
If I want to record AND mix music - which one is best to buy?
900 PRO X 100% I’m a producer and I been using them for 1 year now
Hello thank you for the review. I have a question please. I am relatively new to world of HiFi. I am planning to buy 900 Pro X for listening to my audio. I like headphones that provide wide open soundstage which to me is the opposite of headphones that provide an experience like the sound is coming from inside your head. How are the pro 900x in that regard? Can I expect a sound like I'm listening to speakers instead of headphones? Thanks
DT700 vs Focal Celestee comparison? Disregarding price
What's up, these DT 700 Pro X have to be burned in BEFORE?, if so, how long would I have to burned in them?, any recommendations? ..... thanks and GREETINGS!
Just curious did you end up noticing a difference after burning in or using them for a while? I thought burn in was kinda bs most of my life, but these have gotten noticeably better after using them non stop for about 2 months. I have the 900s though.
Ok..being I got the Sennheiser 6xx and Hifiman Diva Pro in my cart trying to decide, where then will the 900 Pro X fit for sound?
Where can I see the lack of detail on a graph? I have both and I don't notice lack of detail with them. That is compared to HD600 and Sundara, but I also have higher end headphones and IEMs like IER-Z1R, ThieAudio Monarch, Denon D9200 and Focal Utopia, so I have heard enough to know what detail is. No, these Beyers don't match a Utopia in detail, but for their price, they are not lacking it at all IMO. And like I said, how do you measure detail anyway? How can we prove something is more or less detailed? Both DT900 and 700 are great in terms of distortion, impulse response and decay across the board - check the measurements at DIY Audio Heaven. Isn't that the best objective evidence we have so far of detail? I am impressed with the separation of both and both sound subjectively more detailed to me than the K371, which I also own. Or at least they have better separation than the K371 IMO.
The K371 is a closed back. You can only compare it with the 700, but not with the 900. And how does the comparison fall between the 900 and the 880 Edition! ? (please not Pro, because they have a higher clamping force and thus sound a little different again). I asked DIY Audio heaven about the difference between 900 and 880 in terms of imaging, details and analytical(I listen to 80% classical music and soundtracks. These parameters are important to me) and Solderdude replied:"IMO DT 880 is more detailed"... "When you use the DT 880 as is the DT900 might not be what you are looking for. That said, later 880´s are warmer than the earlier ones"(watch out DIY Audio Heaven DT900 pro x comments).
Great video, thanks DMS🙏🌹.
Dt 700 + 900 pro x or
dt 700 pro x + hd 560s or
Hd 280 pro + 900 pro x or
Hd 280 pro + 560s?
I have 2 inch stretched ears, am I too far gone for these? 😂 Great review!
Surely the 800 is on the way. HOPEFULLY. Fingers crossed.
So if you want a high impedance wouldn't you get the DT1990 Pros ?
Dms have you tried the beyer amps ? If yes do you recommend them for the 880 600 ohms ?
Thanks for the detailed review
DT700 PRO X so muddy... Purchased and refunded.. Only bass, no details at all.
Can you suggest alternatives for ATH-M50 which can provide details?
Muddy seems like an inaccurate description having listened to these. the bass is extended and mildly elevated and but not bleeding into the mids in a way that might make them muddy. Sounds like you want an headphone with hyped treble to cut through the bass like the DT770
8:26 Stellar 45 driver is only available in 48 ohms.
Anyone have an opinion on the 900 pro x vs the 560s for imaging in games? I have the 700 pro x but am returning it as the ability to locate sounds was just way better on the 560s but I have my eye on the 900s.
Got the 900s and imagining was about the same but they were more comfortable to me and had my more preferred sound profile
I've the same question here 🤔
@@juancarlosguzmancamara5578 basically the same. Liked the 900s more
@@brendanmueller49 I have the HD 560S, do you recommend the DT 900 Pro X more, for some superior feature? I'm interested in buying them, but I don't know if it's worth it, taking into account the starting price of both models. Thanks!
@@juancarlosguzmancamara5578 if you can return the 560s and use that money towards the 900. If not I would stick with the 560s. The 900 have more bass and are more comfortable on my head. But not worth owning both or paying the extra $300 if you are stuck with the 560s.