@@FreshReviewsYT the sound quality coming from the controller is garbage btw, out of all these, what would you pick for single-player games? by these i mean 560s, 400i, the Beyers, the Hifimans, the Focals, etc
Hey I am also looking for the best competitive headphones. These are the best ones I know and I was wondering if you could make a review about them. ATH-R70 ATH-AD2000X HD 560S HD 58X (remove the inside piece) DT 900 PRO X These are the best I have heard, also some people say earbuds. But can you do a review and verses each one of these to see which is truly the best. Then I will know which to buy.
Been using the DT 900 Pro X for about a week now paired with a ModMic Wireless and I can't stress enough how much these were worth it. I feel like I'm able to pinpoint certain sound cues more accurately than I was able to with my old PC37x. Genuinely happy I came across this channel otherwise I wouldn't have figured out how good these were. Thanks Fresh!
@@RiGGz_ oh nice any reason why ? Sorry am new to this and thought you buy headphones and plug in and away you go, didn’t know about all this amp and dac stuff lol. The Schiit Hel looks a good one, I would want one that’s similar to like the Astro a50 that can easily control the volume toggles and that can bring the best out of the 900 pro x
Thank you for this content! There aren't enough headphone reviews that are gaming-focused. Keep in mind that some of us need closed backs for isolation, so a ranking of closed backs separate from open backs would be helpful.
For sure, have a set of AKG K371 that were doing great for me but unfortunately one side stopped working. Waiting for a set of 900 Pro X to arrive and I'm hoping my home's ambient noise doesn't render them useless.
I used to have the 1990, it was a phenomenal headphone but it wasn't so tolerant with not-so-well-mixed tracks. I'm glad that BD has decided to go soft with Pro X series, maybe I will give DT 900 Pro X another chance.
I'd like to know weather the DT1990 Pro leaks more sound than the DT900 Pro X. I don't want to go for another pair closed backs, like the DT700 pro X, coming from a pair of DT770 (250ohms).
This helped so much. I just got the 560s and it wasn’t as good as I thought it would be. Just fell a little too flat and will be picking up the 900 pro x based off this. Thank you!!
Is the positional audio about the same on the dt900pro x and the hd 560s? My hearing isn’t what it used to be so I want something that a clear soundstage that can help me pin point bullets or footsteps without second guessing myself. Thanks
@@TiimBow hey! I would say it’s about the same but the 900 pro x sound stage is a bit more impactful because it’s a bit closer. The 560s feel more open and are fantastic and are very comfortable and clear with analytical precision. But some close range shooters lose out to the 900 pro x because of that openness. I feel the 900 pro x right now is probably the overall winner for me out of the headphones I’ve tried. But the 560s are fantastic and the differences in advantageous gains are slim
Just got DT900 pro X few days ago and im blown away with the sound(music and games), as it was said, they also have good sound isolation and they dont leak out sound that much. I have Quadcast microphone next to me and i have no issue with it picking up sound form headphones. Would recommend.
Thanks for this. I was going to use for voice monitoring and editing. I was close to buying the 700 pro x based on dms review of it but then Chris Judd said 900 pro x is better for editing and monitoring. Curtis Judd > Dms for voiceover work opinion any day.
I'm coming from the the Beyer Dynamic DT770's(250ohm). Just ordered the DT900 Pro X yesterday, but I almost wish i would of just shelled out another $300+ and just went with the 1990's instead. Would love to try them out. If anything, I'm hoping the 900's outperform my 770's and I'm sure they will at least when it comes to soundstage and sounding more open obviously
@@NintenPizza Never heard the 770 but I sold my 900 pro x. Seemed too dampened or veiled. The sound stage is average at best. My Spirit S3 sounds better in every way
@@drewmorg. Yeah Brother I wanted to like them so much. The comfort was another aspect I was on the fence with. I wore them every day for a month straight and the clamp force always bugged me for anything over 1 hour of use. I have the 560s which in my opinion are better in every way too. Don't know what your use case is going to be but I feel like the 900 pro x are middle of the pack at best ✌️
Good thing Beyerdynamic added the earpads with the round foam pad inside to the 900 Pro X. These made their debut in the TYGR 300R and tame the MURDEROUS Beyer treble/brightness/Sharp highs. Altought I think Tygrs 300R are more EQ and tuned for warmth and bass, I wonder if the 900 Pro X is something I can endure as I'm quite sensitive to sharp high frequencies and the DT 1990 pro were painful to listen while gaming. Well maybe Beyer will just update the Gaming lineup with these new Stellar.45 drivers down the line. Will have to look some dedicated TYGR 300R vs DT 900 Pro X reviews to consider if they would be an upgrade or sidegrade!
I'm also treble-sensitive and found that Beyer sharpness in the DT 770 unpleasant. In addition to just being too much treble, it can make some things sound artificial; this seemed very genre-dependent. Not sure if that's inherent to the Beyer sound or specifically the DT 770 Pro 80ohm. I recently splurged on the Monolith M1570 after a recommendation, and find they really suit my tastes with no EQ needed. They're warm and slightly mid-forward, but still very precise. Bass is clearly defined deep into the sub-bass, but it can benefit from a slight bass boost if you choose the fuzzy velour pads, which I find more comfortable than the leather (they include both). Might be worth a try if you're treble-sensitive and looking for something open back.
@@Raptor007 Hello thanks. Those a re planars right? I wonder if they deliver in imaging and soundstage for FPS gaming. That is the weird thing, never seen a planar cut it and convince the pros or tryhard competitive fps gamers, yet. Always beaten by dynamic drivers. Only planar I have listened are Sundaras, real nice but not good for comp gaming.
@@Frencho9 Yes, they're open-back planar. Music was my primary consideration, but I do game often too. My go-to game now is MWO which is not very sound dependent, so I just fired up R6 Siege and went back and forth between the M1570 and Denon AH-D2000 (my everyday cans for years) to compare. I found the planars better at sound separation and directional imaging, but I did find distance a little harder to judge. My guess is that it's because they are fully open, so my brain is trying to process both the game's spacial cues and the real echoes in my room. On the other hand, older games that just do a simple stereo pan sound better with the open back's wider soundstage. And wow, that sound quality... I'd previously put the AH-D2000 against the DT770 for music, and found the Beyer treble harsher and more artificial, giving me a fresh appreciation for my old Denons at the time. Now comparing them to planars reinforces how happy I am with the new purchase. I'm actually a little shocked how bad the Denons sound to me now, considering they beat the Beyers in my previous comparison.
OMG - your review convinced me and made me buy the 900 x pro. Thank you so much for this ! Did read others but yours was the one that made me actually do it. I also bought the sondblasterx g6 - no that motherboard is able to drive these but wanted the extra. I hear details like never before. In battlefield 5 I hear sounds so clearly that I can almost “see” through houses and walls this is crazy. For many years I was one of the hard ones saying you need surround headphones - no you need very good stereo headphones ! I totally recommend the bd 900 pro x for gaming !
He said it, because the imaging and soundstage are much better. The DT 900 simply has everything combined in one headphone, it's the most complete headphone. That's why you can spot enemies better, because the balanced sound creates a better feeling for the virtual room.
@@RabbitConfirmed Some people say the opposite because HD560s have more balanced sound, detailed, better comfort because of oval earpads and light in weight and less expensive
@Clickbait Pro Just got both for Christmas. Haven't played any fps games yet, but I feel the dt900 pro x are the better all arounders. Hd560s has a bigger soundstage, but the dt900 pro x has better positional audio and just sounds more enjoyable.
Great vid. Totally agree with your opinion. I have the 990 instead of the 1990 and whilst the 990 is more comfortable than the 900, the imaging sounds a bit better and that low end hits hard.
@@LexDexKex you will need an amp if you don’t already have one so they’ll cost about the same in the end. You can just use an apple usb c to 3.5mm dongle with the 900s. The 900s are only a bit better, I find them more comfortable for long sessions as the ear pads are deeper my ears never touch the drivers. They sound less harsh in gaming, like certain games gunshots with the 990 are a bit much, nothing an eq can’t fix if you’re on pc. Also detachable cable is nice to have.
Thank you for your review. I has been considering DT 900 since I learned that beyer released new headseats, but other good options like 58x or k712 stopped me from final desicion. This video helped me to finally choose one and to end this torment of my own indecisiveness.
Was waiting on your review of the 900’s before I pulled the trigger. Pleasantly surprised you reviewed them so quickly. Ordered mine tonight and they will be here Monday.
The 900 Pro X is a beast for competitive gaming. The imaging is phenomenal. Honestly I feel like I'm hacking because of what I can hear while using these headphones. My go to headphone was the T90 for competitive gaming followed by the 1990 and 560s. I am actually shocked these are only $300. Thank you Fresh Reviews for your wonderful and informative channel. There is a lot of BS with reviewers these days and your channel is a breath of fresh air. Keep up the awesome work!!
I purchased a tygr 300 after watching these vids but gave it to my boy. I did once have a dt1990 but was too high in the treble so sold it. I now have a dt900 pro and all i can say is seriously change the pads to the fenestrated sheepskin. Before i tear my original pads apart for the rings inside i just placed them where they sit to try them. Bigger soundstage and still sound amazing with music. Bass is slightly more in volume but due to the 900 pro having such linear bass this isnt a problem but the clarity is better and can judge distance even better than the velour pads which shocked me as on the tiger the imaging/distance was negatively affected. You have the pads just place them against the headphones to hear the difference.
Really appreciate this review, after a solid month of debate you have convinced me to get the 900 pro x. I broke my HD560S and was really displeased with the build quality and this just seemed like the next best step up. Thank you thank you thank you!
@@Arthritis07 Honestly its a major difference, I kept reading conflicting reviews of people saying they were very similiar and others saying they were different so I was hesitant. After using them for about a month I can honestly say they have the best imaging for gaming. When I play apex I know exactly where people are before a fight and my teamates are always surprised when I can hear someone way before we run into them.
@@irvin4019 holy shit this blew my mind. Would this be the case for CSGO also in your opinion? Left/Right directionality is fine, but I struggle to differentiate between lower vs higher altitude enemies eg nuke, vertigo
Great review! Ordered the HD560 per your review about 6-7 months ago. Been wanting something a little “more”. I put my dt 770 back on just to try em. Going to try the dt900! Thanks!
Would love to see a review of the R70X. I A/Bd the R70X with the Sundara a while back, thought they were great for footstep placement. I think the build quality is fine, they just feel flimsy because they are so light.
I was waiting for some of DT900 pro X review for week. Now you are first reviewer on gaming reviewers. Thank you so much telling me your experience. Keeep up going. You r next RJN. Love your channel from Japan.
I have wasted money on misleading videos that made me buy wrong headsets that has poor sound quality. I can guarantee you this video is the realist one out there. After watching your video I went and got me the Dt900 pro x and ohhh man! I am hearing things I never heard before. The sound quality coming out of this is unmatched !
BRO - just an update. For warzone(only) I still feel the 560s takes the cake over the 900ProX... but I will give them more time. Also a surprising newcomer that has served well so far (only spent maybe 4 hours so far) are the E-mu Teaks. I bought them for music but they have worked really well as a closed back.
After trying the 900 X's for about a month, I went back to the 560s. I did not like how closed off they sounded for an "open-backed" headset. I also did not like the fit of them as well as the 560's. They are heavier and just did not fit my head shape as well. However, this time with the 560s I tried applying Oratory's EQ settings and they now sound perfect for my needs. With the EQ, they are no longer as flat and "boring". I am driving them with a Topping DX3 Pro+ and think I have finally found my end game setup for gaming and music. It's been a long journey I've been on for about a year and gone through many different headsets. Thank you for all your videos and content as they've been a great resource throughout this process!
Dukie, I’ve thought about doing the same thing and I can’t agree with you more. They are much more closed off than the typical open back. I’ll have to check out the eq
@@FreshReviewsYT I highly recommend giving it a shot, it gives you the best of both worlds in my opinion. You get the openness and better detail/accuracy from the 560's, but the EQ adds enough dynamics that make it more enjoyable to listen to across different content (aka adds some "fun" factor). This was my first time messing with EQ and found it easier than I expected. You just need to install Equalizer APO, then Peace (which is just a UI over Equalizer APO). You can then look up Oratoty's recommended EQ for the 560s and it's just a matter of plugging in the values into Peace.
@@dukies0799 I felt 560S sound stage worked against them in my opinion. Imaging and directional accuracy were flawless but that is not everything. I was losing sound cues and footsteps (even your own) sound very far away in the 560S. I ended up using the spatial audio setting in the Steel Series software to bring the sound stage in and amplify footsteps and that was just about perfect. But I got greedy and moved on to other headsets... 560S are a great all arounder especially for the price and are not hard to drive. Comfort was a deal breaker too, the little earnotch in the cup kept resting on my right ear.
Great impressions brother, I think you're actually enjoy trying out all these headphones...one headphone you might want to try are the T50rp, with a little modding like ear pads you got yourself something really special there, not to expensive if you know where to look but I can say the T50rp's imaging and with one of the darkest background I've heard on any headphones can really impress me in games/movies etc etc.
A better alternative for competitive gaming headphones would probably be the Air series by Audio-Technica such as the ATH-AD700X (or better) or for closed-back the Art series such as the ATH-A900Z (or better). Basically any Audio-Technica headphones that uses their 53mm drivers (i.e. not the M50X's).
@@FreshReviewsYT the issue with R70X it has narrow soundstage, so while directionality is great - fantastic for critical music listening, however it is difficult to gauge how far the target is in a game. Edit: based on ZReviews' testing anyway. I might pick one up to test as well.
Bought DT900 Pro X after watching all quest series. Combined with Sound Blaster AE-7. I was using a Philips X2HR and will compare to what I used to. Mostly PUBG related: Positional 360 degree accuracy is better than X2HR. For example, with X2HR you can hear that the enemy is between 30-40 degrees to your right, but with DT 900 Pro X it is like 33-37 degrees to your right. But, distancewise, it was surprise for me: X2HR is better. For example with X2HR I can say that the enemy is 40-50 m away from me, but with DT 900 Pro X it is like 30-60 m away. The distant sounds are higher with DT 900 Pro X, so maybe a less dynamic headphone thats why. The volume is also like 30% higher than X2HR with all parameters the same: so less power sensitive headphone. All what I written is totally subjective stuff as I am using AE-7 with surround enabled, which changes a lot in soundstage and imaging.
@@tyski9000 Not a real gaming upgrade after X2HR. Distance is hard to localize. In PUBG the bass is so much the DT 900 Pro X is literally shaking when a C4 explodes. It is funny because X2HR is always considered a bassy headphone but DT 900 Pro X is like 3 times more bassy. I still think Beyers are a good option but I feel like it is a sidegrade comparing to Philips.
@@polofthejungle I'm glad someone else feels this way. Every review I see is hyping up the 900s like they're god tier imaging/soundstage. But imo they're quite mid coming from 990s. I have 0 issue with the 990s treble. I have a big issue with the 900s bass though. If I pop a bat or have any bass noise in apex, I might as well be deaf, cuz any imaging of where the enemy is at that point is out the window.
Just got my dt900 pro. I agree that dt1990 pro soundstage is way too insane for this game. Sometimes I got lost. Dt900pro has more precise sound imaging and location.
Speak of perfect timing! I’ve been wanting to grab a pair of closed backs to pair with my 1990’s and the 700 x’s have been on my radar. You definitely persuaded me into giving them a shot. Great review as always Freshy!
Zahit Emre Metin according to what he said about the dt 700 pro x, I would recommend you to get the mmx300 if it is for mainly gaming since it will cost you about the same with a mic on the mmx300 which is also pretty good for it’s price.
@@themaster123king2 mmx300 Is solid! Really can’t go wrong there if you need the mic attachment all in one option. The 700 pro x is great also, just doesn’t quite hit the mark like the 900
Fresh Reviews I think I will go with the dt 900 pro x I wonder how they sound for Escape from Tarkov and R6 siege, do you think they will be something for them on Black Friday ?
I ordered myself the DT 700 PRO X Just yesterday. I will get them Tuesday to Wednesday. I come from the AKG K712 Pro, which are actually open backed. When I used them primarily for Music listening and games, they were great, but upon starting to live stream and voice recording, too many issues with sound bleed became apparent over time. While I actually tend to prefer open back headphones, for music (not so much for games, funny enough) I had to make the switch now, that listening to music has become less important to me. Time will tell, how this plays out.
For 20 minutes, sure... But after that, it is a sharp knife in your ears. That treble peak in 990 and 880 is a big "nope" for lot of people. To me, its almost unbearable. Too sharp. That is why Tygr is much praised. They used extra cushion to dampen that famous treble peak.
@@Gkhn32 Yepp, I agree. I'm using the TYGR 300R and love them for how allround they are, gaming, music, midnight music listening. Maybe abit muddy in the highs and not super crisp, but my ears thanks me when I am cranking up that volume for metal music. And the bass also gives a punch for hip hop for being a pair of open headphones.
@@Gkhn32 I know this is old, but did you actually use the 990s? I keep seeing this opinion so maybe my ears are just completely different, but I have absolutely no issue with the treble peak. I really can't believe how extreme people make it sound to be.
I had a different experience with the 900 Pro X as far as imaging. I have the 1990's and I found that the imaging is more precise compared to the 900 Pro X's. With the 900 Pro X's, I found that imaging was good but found that there were gaps. Like you would hear footsteps in front of you then snap to your left or right, whereas with the 1990's it was a clear 360 transition. I've tried many headphones since my 58x's broke. From the 560, Tygr 300R, R70X, 1990, and 900 Pro X but IMO if your primary focus is imaging and you have the budget for it, the 1990's are the best. Keep in mind I play Valorant and CSGO. I'm also using Equalizer APO, Peace GUI, Oratory1990's EQ preset, and analytical pads with the 1990 which I implore you to try out.
@@FreshReviewsYT I was thinking of trying aftermarket earpads with the 1990 but decided to try Equalizer APO + Peace GUI + Oratory1990's preset + the stock analytical pads for the 1990's since it's free and I'm glad I tried it before purchasing Dekoni's. I'm more than satisfied with the sound signature since the EQ adds a bit of warmth with the added bass. I see that you were thinking of trying out the R70X. It's really good for gaming and would be my second choice out of all the headphones I've tried. The 1990 outshines it with it's faster driver. My only gripe is the build quality. It feels really light. I'm sure it's built well but I don't trust myself since I'm a clutz.
What’s your favorite out of the bunch? I’ve tried the 560S, R70X, and Sundara. Really liked the R70X for the warmer sound while still maintaining wallhack-tier gaming performance but felt like it lacked clarity. Trying to find something like it with more resolution.
@@wassy4444 1990 would be my recommendation. It has the resolution that the R70X is lacking with slightly better imaging. Out of the box, the 1990 will have the balanced pads installed which makes the headphones slightly warm. But for me, installing Equalizer APO + Peace GUI + Oratory 1990's EQ settings with the analytical pads was better.
Just found your channel today and I love your Quest for the Best Competitive Gaming Audio series. Haven't found anyone on UA-cam yet that explains headphones' imaging accuracy on distance verticality and clarity in competitive shooters thoroughly like you do. Now, I'm just curious and I am suggesting if you are willing of course, if you are interested in comparing the DT880 Edition, the HD 560s and the DT 900 Pro X.
I have the 880 600 Ohm and just got the 900 Pro X to try. The 880 is not good for gaming imo. The sound signature with the treble spike is almost painful with gunshots, it doesn't have enough bass punch to give those "tinglers" that the video mentions (something I've had trouble describing in the past but which a lot of reviewers don't really seem to grasp, you may notice some of them say bass is more important for directional audio while others say it's treble when the reality is really more of a delicate balance), and the imaging and soundstage just aren't good enough imo. The 900 Pro X rectifies a ton of the DT line's longstanding issues imo, particularly the treble spike that's finally been brought down to a level that doesn't cater to hearing damaged individuals. It's fantastic for gaming but not so much for music imo, it has some weird dips in the frequency that make just sound kinda "wrong". This is where the 560 comes in, I haven't tried it at home for games but I do trust Fresh's gaming recommendation for them, but I did try them with music in a guitar center and they sound great with basically any genre. I think they're a much better "general use" headphone than the 900, but only if you find them to be comfortable (they have incredibly strong clamp that never really goes away due to the thick plastic construction and somewhat thin pads so unlike the HD600 line, they're not great for glasses and will not change much over time).
@@CreedK Nice. But I kinda gave up on the fact that headphones can be perfect. And imo, many IEMs out there aren't great either. I just bought a cheap IEM and EQ'ed it.
I have a couple headphones rn namely the 560s and the Sundaras. I use the 560s for gaming and the Sundaras for everything else. I had the 1990s but the treble was atrocious. I agree the 560s are a step back for competitive multiplayer. Just ordered the 700x since I don't have any closed backs outside of my bose QC 35s. I'm hoping the treble isn't too much for me
Update the treble is perfectly fine. Soundstage is wide enough for me but there's no depth to the imaging, so it's more like a horizontal axis where sound plays from. There's no sibilance but you can definitely tell they lack the resolution in the mids of even something like the 560s. Bass is a little more present but not bloated. I've really enjoyed them but for the price, I'm not sure if they're worth it.
@Linos I’m pretty done with buying new headphones. Might end up getting a high end pair like the focal clears but that’s more for entertainment than using it as a tool
Ohey again, in your comments once more. I now have Truthear Zero X Crinacle and DT700 Pro X coming in the mail lol. My main DT770 are in need of repair, life has been miserable for the last 2 weeks as I live with a loud guitarist who also plays loud Rocket League on speakers. Hopefully these headphones are comparable to my old ones, I just need the detachable cable or else I break them xd.
@@FreshReviewsYT The reason why i never bought senheisers.. they just lak the fun (atleast for me).. An the reason why i got sundaras 2 years ago.. the reason why i orderd zeus 2 weeks ago and iam slightly salty at beyer becasue they did not release them a bit earlier but hey.. i love having variations.. so guess im picking them anyway ;)
@@reckulurn3038 "Riverstone Audio - Tested/Matched Pair (2 Tubes) 7-Pin GE JAN 5654W Fully-Tested Vacuum Tubes - Upgrade for 6AK5 / 6J1 / 6J1P / EF95 - JAN 5654W Platinum Grade Pair" bought on amazon. Took a little while for the tubes to break in then I found I like the sound of the headphones loosened up a bit as strange as that sounds. Give it a shot if you want. The stock tubes are really good but if you want to try something different it might be worth giving a try.
For the value oriented folk, the Beyerdynamic store sometimes stocks up on refurbs with 2 year warranties, 30 day returns, new pads, and all accessories. But the Pro X lineup is currently out of stock, so till next time on those.
I was admittedly a bit skeptical given the sheer volume of opinions regarding what the "best" gaming headphone out there is, most of which are just complete BS (which isn't surprising given that most people don't really play at a high level- my stats on Warzone/COD/Apex/PUBG/etc hover around the top 15-2% of players for context). My 4ish year journey has taken me through the X2HR, 660s, DT880, K702, and now both this 700 and 900. I must say though, this man is the real deal and the review is dead on. - While the 900 has pretty abysmal tuning for music imo, it really is wall-hack level while still maintaining a sound signature that's enjoyable to still experience the environment. It was almost overwhelming at first because of how much accurate information I was getting simultaneously. It's also super comfortable despite the very high clamp force, something that I've struggled with on other headphones. My one criticism is that it lacks a bit of verticality so it isn't as great at accurately representing a 3D space as some other headphones despite amazing directional imaging and good soundstage. It's also a bit expensive for something strictly gaming focused for most people, I wouldn't recommend it for general use unless you already have something else to compliment it. In that regard, I think the HD560s would still be the best for the majority of people looking to just get one headphone to do everything well (if you find it physically comfortable of course). - The 700 doesn't have the same wall-hacking ability, but is a good alternative if you need to have something that's a closed back and is also more fun for music. While the 900 has a surprising amount of very high quality bass for an open back, the inverse is true of the 700 in that it's very controlled bass for a closed back. This is excellent for both of them imo. For the other ones I have: - The X2HR was a decent headphone when it first released- a bass heavy and comfortable open-back headphone with a large soundstage in a time when nothing similar was really available. That being said, I think it's a muffled mess of a headphone that's basically propped up by its quirky aesthetic now. It's still good for both gaming and music at $100, it just pales in comparison to all of today's offerings. - The 660s, while being the big brother of the 560s, is not that good for gaming. While it has rectified the imaging issues of the prior releases, the HD600 line of headphones was always known for its ridiculously small soundstage and this is no different. While a small soundstage isn't necessarily a killer for gaming, feeling like you're having a firefight inside of a phone booth is. The bigger issue is that the sound signature is ridiculously laid back/mid-forward. Some people don't like it at all but personally, as someone who's very treble and bass sensitive, this is my absolute favorite headphone for general use and music. - The 880 is a love it or hate it headphone. The only thing it really excels at is listening at lower volumes imo which is probably why so many audiophiles love it. However, despite having an almost identical frequency response to the HD800, the imaging and soundstage are so poor that it does not replicate the former's performance for gaming. I'm really not a fan of the treble spike and am probably going to sell these soon. - The K702 is a really weird one. It's definitely second best for gaming on my short list, but that doesn't mean it's necessarily close to the 900 (but the gap is very small if you also pair it with a surround sound software like Razer THX or Dolby, the imaging is simply not good enough without it). That being said, I really love it for its absolutely enormous soundstage and uniquely "airy" presentation of games and music without feeling too sterile like the 880/800s. I probably wouldn't own it as my only headphone, but I definitely recommend that people pick them up for their current sale price of $150 before they completely disappear. As an added note, I've also ended up with the G303 Shroud after demoing like 12 mice over the past year or so while looking for a replacement for the G403. It's a polarizing shape, but I'm glad to see someone else also rank it so highly for FPS games.
Good review. Since you have the DT1990 try out the Dekoni Elite Hybrid. Better then Elite Fenestraded for gaming. Foot steps are loud and have that heavy feel. I also have Elite Suede but those are bass heavy and lose too much of the high detail. Elite Hybrid are now my favorite pads for 1990. A lot more lively without losing the beautiful details from highs!
One thing I miss in many reviews between the 700 and the 900 is how they isolate noise and how much they leak noise. I have the Sundaras and they do no isolation and leak a lot.
Upgrading from astro a50s to some beyerdynamics. I ordered the 900's before watching this video and got very anxious about my purchase before this video, but you calmed it down lmao
These are amazing! Thank you for the video! The zeus are still great, but these are on another level for less money! I could not be happier. Just be sure to do your next competitive audio quest video within a month so I can still return the 900 pro x's if you find one that's better out there for the same price. :) I'll happily pay more if you think the extra price is worth the audio advantage for gaming though. You are the mofo'ing man! I am hitting an average of 372.1 FPS in fortnite with my new PC and 390hz monitor. My setup is AMAZING now that I have these headphones! Thank you thank you thank you!
I did like you did. I got the Dt 900 pro X after seeing this video even though I have the 560s. Also playing fortnite and can’t decide but wanna keep the 900 pro X. Also need another video before a month to be able to return if needed…😄
@@kambos2802 I love amazon 😂… I’m definitely thinking I’m going to keep them. The problem is fortnite audio just sucks ass no matter how good the headset
There are many headphones you haven't tried that are great for gaming! There's an "upgraded" version of harmonicdyne Zeus called Poseidon, there's Beyerdynamic t1.2, Audio Technica ad-2000x with a pad change, Beyerdynamic mmx 300, Beyerdynamic DT 880 premium 250 ohm, audio Technica r70x, Austrian audio x65 which is supposedly much better than x55, you can include these in the next quest for best competitive audio
I brought the ad2000x this year but the wire went bad. Sent them in for repair but they said they was beyond repair. I know they could be repaired but the place I had the warranty with said they couldn't. So I used the money and ordered the HarmonicDyne Zeus. Hope they sound better than the ad2000x. Then again after I got the ad2000x they never come up as top gaming headphones. Headphones less expensive come up as top gaming headphones.
Very nice series man, watched all of them and i also recently bought a 560s 👍👍👍. Now that i have a 560s, 660s and also rocking a 600 for like 12 years, I can tell you right away i take the 660s over the 560s for gaming I really like 560s and actually i would say its a more "complete" headphone then the 660s and for its price a better choice then the 660s. How ever in competitive titles i take the 660s over the 560s. After going back end forth with both of them for about a month, a short conclusion would be: You hear more sounds out of the 560s but the ones you get from the 660s are just better. The question is what are you looking for??? What i am trying to say is every game has more or less different sounds then others.. so Apex has much more sounds involved then CSGO has and that means the soundstage is less relevant in CSGO then it is in for example Apex. And thats the reason you are probably better suited with a 660s in CSGO and the 560s in Apex, remeber what i said at the beginning: You hear more sounds out of the 560s but the ones you get from the 660s are just better. Now an other difference is bass. They are both not bassy headphones but different. The 660s has less, not long lasting but crisper bass over the 560s thats another reason i take the 660s over the 560s for games. Bass is a very important part of a gaming headset because: You dont wont bass but you need bass to create depth. A gun shot in a Bunker should sound different then a shot open field in the desert and there for you need bass. The problem is if you have to much bass your highs get lost in very intense game situations. So.. bass yes but just enough. Another thing to mention is everything sounds further away on the 660s compared to the 560s, it took me a while to adjust. I dont agree with some people saying its not a good headphone for gaming because in my opinion its clearly the best 6XX headphone for it. My last argument to try the 660s is they have HD 700 drivers 😉Like your reviews and gameplay keep up man 👍👍👍
@Urs Dübel, I have had the 660S for just over a year now and wasn’t too impressed with them in Warzone. Which headphones you find that work better in Warzone, 560S or 660S? I’m just trying to find best headphones for Warzone.
@@SpideyDiG Hi, i would like to help you out, but i just played Warzone for like a month and i was playing with my HD 600 witch i not really recomend for gaming. I play PUBG for 5 years and played also Tarkov and in both games i take the 660s. I also have to admit that i use a Amp/DAC to pair with them so its not just the headphone and this also makes a huge difference. I will allways recomend the 560s because i cant find a a better "neutral" analytic headphone for its price, its a very well rounded headphone and you cant go wrong with it. I am curious about the new 900X pro because the 1990 is a beast and if the 900X pro is up there i would give them a chance, its almost a 200 bugs difference so..
I found your channel at the perfect time and coincidentally we are most interested in Apex! Wish me luck on hitting masters this season (first time i've felt motivated past diamond)!
I would say it's probably not worth the side grade unless you can sell off the Zeus for around what you paid. the Zeus are still absolutely fantastic. The gains are super marginal and both headphones do different things better. For me, the 900 pro wins for gaming, but again, very marginal
I just bought the HD560s based on the strength of your reviews this past week, but I find it uncomfortable on my hears (not blaming you of course) but I may just return them and try out the 990X. Yes it's 70 cdn more but I hope it will be more comfortable and based on you and other gaming focused audiophile reviewers it seems like it will be a one and done headphone purchase for any budding audiophile fps gamer. (with a Zen dac air in my case)
I returned the HD 560s as i found them uncomfortable to wear. Upgraded to the DT 900 Pro X and am testing them out now. So far they are more comfortable but still my ears begin to hurt after a few hours of wearing them. Maybe I'm just cursed with big ears lol, and will have to put up with sore lobes when wearing headphones.
What about between: DT 1770, 770 Pro X and 770? Which would you chose for competitive and which for immersion? Maybe you have other options. I really want closed backs as I already have HD660s.
I just ha e to say after buying the zen dac v2 and.the Beyerdynamics dt 900 pro x I'm.in love Jesus they are magic... Played cs for more then soon 20 years and we'll again I'm in love with this combo ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
Assuming someone prefers closed backs because they live in noisy environments, would the DT 700 still be a good option for competitive play? Or would something like the MMX 300 be better?
I hear the DT700’s are more in your face, yet sound more narrow, closed in and congested. I’m tired of Closed back myself simply because of the lack luster soundstage. I’m either going for the 900 Pro X’s or 1990s and will just boost the bass with my DACs eq settings
Two budget-oriented options you should try are the SHP 9500 and the Samson SR850, the SHP's have a wide soundstage, decent imaging and quite forward upper mind/low treble area, good for competitive uses. The Samson's lack detail, but the imaging seemed scary good from the little I tried them. The Fostex TR60P are also an interesting pair, very neutral and a few people say they have very good imaging capabilities (they listen to music though, not sure about gaming).
@@crazybigball82 How big is the jump from the ships to the hd560s. I plan on making the same jump and wanted to know more information about it, if you don’t mind sharing. Please be as granular as possible.
@@dc6953 Just got the HD 560s and it's a good jump. Much better sense of distance and more precision in the imaging (the imaging feels similarly strong, I think). The soundstage is a bit smaller, but is 'filled' out better with a more present and linear low-end that also gives the imaging an edge. Also, better overall detail and smoother mids and bass over the shp's.
@@dc6953 I ran 3 pairs of SR850 (fully EQ'd with a Xonar sound card amp) back to back. They were excellent for the price. The build quality is trash tier and the headband is sharp enough to cut your finger if you rub it incorrectly. They fell apart on command every 1.5 years on the dot -- the left ear cup would just stop working. I do not recommend them but instead go straight to the 560S which is an upgrade in EVERY single way. Please trust.
Very interesting take on the DT 900. I've just recently tested them comparing them to my Zeus and HD560S and I felt like at least in Rainbow Six Siege there was too much of ambient noise going on with the DT900. I loved them for music listening due to their great sound stage and vocals are also amazing on them. Maybe it's just game depended. I didn't find the imaging to be exceptionally better than the other pairs at all. For gaming I didn't like the DT900. I'd personally go with the 560s still. My issue is the base I have on both the ZEUS and the DT900. If Zeus had less base I'd surely take it over the 560s anytime. Also one more thing I noticed is that both the DT900 and Zeus have a bit of sound isolation when you put them on. They don't sound as open as the 560s which I don't like that much. But that's personal preference. Maybe changing pads would fix that issue for me.
Very true about the sound isolation! I agree. Also, the 560s are still the BEST hands down for blocking out and clearing out bassy sound cues, so in any bass heavy game or for anyone bass sensitive I think my 560s would be my choice also. For apex and valorant and other tac shooters like cs go my 900 pro x actually gave me a noticeable, albeit not HuGE, improvement over the 560s. Two VERY good headphones for imaging
I managed to get the 990 Pros and 900 Pro X to work on Xbox Series X via Turtle Beach Stream Mic + xDuoo XD-05 amp. They both sound incredible for gaming and listening to music at the same time but I can't decide which ones are actually better.
@@erickperezcruz8987 this is just me using them in gaming and music listening; keep in mind, 990s sounds much better all around in higher volumes which is a given since they require more power. 900 Pro X sounds more clearer then the 990s(not by a wide margin but definitely noticable) in certain areas because of the new drivers. I would still get them in general simply because the the convenience and versatility of the Pro X.
Awesome video as always. Epos released a new gaming headset, the H6pro with both an open and closed version. Would be interesting if you could test them too.
It depends. If you are not happy with the zeus, the 900 Pro X is a great option. The Zeus though, in my opinion, are fantastic for gaming so you are really looking at a side grade with minor minor improvements in directional audio and clarity in intense situations
@@FreshReviewsYT thanks, so it's not worth it I definitely looking for upgrade not side grade, Zeus are excellent for me but I like to change something in my setup really often
I have been testing these headphones for 4 days now and I have to say that I am not convinced. My tygr sound much better and can also locate enemies better. The extra cost is not worth it at all. Tested with ifi zen dac v2!
I finally got the dt 900 pro x and I love them. Comparing the dt 900 to the hd 560s I find the 560 more natural with wider sound stage. The dt 900 I find more intimate with more focused imaging. I wish I could buy the hd 800s but that is not in my budget lol. I heard the focal clear mg pro supposed to be really good for gaming
@@crate718 what do you use for mic? I’m new to getting away from gaming headsets and playing on pc. Just trying to learn a decent setup for affordability.
Great review, especially catering towards a 'gaming' crowd with extensive knowledge (and skill for that matter lol) of the field. Your reviews stand out from the bigger audiophile reviewers! I have to say though, in your opinion when it comes to music (excluding films), how would you differentiate the 560s, Zeus, and the 900 Pro X? As you somewhat pointed out while the 900 outclasses the others in the 'wallhack' tier and I feel as though it may just be diminishing returns when it comes to gaming. You are one of the only people that have reviewed them while also slightly compares/referes to each other, so I would very much would like your input as all of them are in a similar price bracket and would like to recommend it. Also side note, what genres do you listen to, to get an idea of your biases.
Hey, Noot! I actually listen to quite a few different genres, anywhere from rap, hip hop, to Red Hot Chili Peppers, sublime, etc. I would say the best for music would be the Zeus. They are warm, have amazing sound stage, and amazing imaging. They lose a bit of clarity compared to the 560s and 900 pro x in games, that is to say, when there are a ton of audio cues going off, things are just a tiny bit harder to pick up on. The 560s I would say even feel more airy and clear than the 900 pro x, but the 900 pro x seems to have a bit more readability on directional Audio cues, because the bass gives things like foot steps a little bit more of a tingle or pop to alert you to a certain area. We can say, the 900 pro x seems to be a mix of the zeus and 560s. Not too muddled by bass, and also not weak on bass.
Fresh, thank you so much for the reply, appreciate it! Honestly can't say this enough, but you're content really sticks out from the rest catering towards the community of audiophile gaming. There are more intricacies than just 'this has great imaging/soundstage so it's great for gaming'. Rather it's more in depth with things like directionality, audio cues, presence, and crosshair placement, differentiating all of these amazing cans from each other. Also, the fact that you make comparisons to cans that no one does, so that it's much easier for the audience who haven't heard them have a better idea as to how they would sound in reference to others (also the fact that I just really wanted to know how the Zeus compares to 900 pro x in music lol). Great work, and just enjoy what you're doing.
Fantastic series, it has been very helpful! Would be great to see you throw it in a playlist to make it a bit easier to go through, with as many parts as there are now. A few recommendations I would love to see you cover 1. HiFiMan Ananda (supposed to be the best Hifiman for gaming) 2. AKG K702 (Supposed to (surprisingly) be better than the K712 Pro) 3. Meze Empyrean - doesn't get a lot of coverage 4. Sennheiser HD 660 S - Would be fun to round off the Sennheiser picks! 5. Audeze LCD 2 Classic - another uncommon brand Obviously, it'd be fun to see you review everything under the sun, I appreciate that you are someone that uses them at a highly competitive gaming level. Also at some point, a wrap-up "Wallhack Headphone Tier List" would be an amazing capstone for the series!
First of all, congratulations for the work you are doing! You bring comparisons with the highest quality products and all focussed on competitive fps. I listened to your advice so I took dt 900 prox and ifi zen dac v2. I play Apex legends and I noticed that if I raise the volume beyond 11 hours when I shoot literally explode my ears and the steps are not heard so much ... there is there no way to lower the volume of shots so that I can raise the volume more and hear the steps more? I tried other games such asassin creed and forza horizon and the headphones sound like a crystal clear sound god. There is not this distortion when I raise the volume or in any case it is not so accentuated ..
No, just have to get used to the sound of gun shots and steps simultaneously. Make sure bass boost is off. You might be able to eq down the bass as well
I'm surprised you haven't tried reviewing the Sennheiser HD660s. I have tried them in the store and the imaging seems to be really good. A lot of good reviews coming from different sources saying the same. Hope you give those a try too.
Just finished my hd560s + zen dac v2 combo and now I want to try DT 900 Pro X. Just to try this more "fun" sound. Even with truebass on zen dac I feel that hd560s missing something
Same boat and I've only had 560S for 2 weeks and I EQ'd the crap out of them on my Magni. I'm like 95% satisfied... it's just that extra punch I'm looking for. The warmth and sub bass is very good. Did you ever go for 900 Pro X ?
@@drewmorg. Yeah I got 900 pro X. For gaming it feels like for fps imaging is better on 900 pro x but for content and immersion (bigger soundstage) I still find hd560s more clear with 5 db bass shelf. So yeah I consider dt 900 pro x as sidegrade. In the end I got Edition XS + Fiio k7 + balanced cable. It gave me planar bass with punch + wider soundstage and superior imaging. Bass is fun but it's not cutting of treble in heavy audio mix or scene. Separation on planar headphones was just next level for me. I would recommend Edition XS as upgrade and not bother about 900 pro X. HD 560s are not so far away from dt900 pro x + with EQ you shouldnt even bother
@@EvLTimE Really really appreciate it. I have 2 friends with XS and who have been in the audio game much longer than me with high end gear (Senn 6 series etc). They both fully recommend XS. My only issue is the fit.
@@drewmorg. fit could be issue but I saw on forums and that guys buy some additional headband. Check something like "Geekria Large Hook and Loop Headband Cover" so it could fixed issues with fitting. Imho Edition XS is worth trying even with workarounds like this. I don't know if there any better headphones in 400-500 price range and sound improvment for money spent.
Just really found your channel and I am really liking your video reviews! I would like to see you try out some Audeze headphones cause they make amazing headphones but I would like to see your opinion on them. Keep up the great work!
@@FreshReviewsYT I have those for Playstation and Xbox. I like them a lot and a pro tip in case you didn't know you can get the Xbox version and it will work with both systems and PC. You might want to check out their LCD-GX for gaming. I have the LCD-X 2020 version that I bought the LCD boom microphone for and I use that a lot as well. It and my Focal Clear MG are my most used.
@@rilchu3037 I had the penrose x for my Xbox series x. I thought they were alright. Wish I could have tried them with my PC though before I returned them. Either way I’m very happy with the 900 pro x’s
when people say "for gaming" I just kinda hate how its just *assumed* for shooters. What if I want to enjoy the background music, but of course still hear the audio ques for mechanics? Like shooters arent the only games. But still this video was very informative, good job.
I know you are more into IEM these days rather than headphones but Can you do a gaming review for Audio Technica M50x and the Sony MDR 7506? Both are the most used industry standard studio monitors. Would be great to see how they perform for gaming. I would imagine they are also used to design game audio too…. And how do they compare to the legendary Hyperx Cloud 2/Alpha… Thank you! Help up the great work!
Hey @FreshReviews, love your reviews. Which of these three options would you recommend would pair well with the Topping DX 3 Pro +? I mistenly bought the DT990 Pro's and don't want to make the same mistake twice. Even with the DX3 Pro + they sound a bit quiet, and my main use is gaming. Thanks!!
I know this comment is late but I was wondering if you could suggest any DAC/Amps that I could pair with my 560s that not only had audio output but a microphone input as well. I plug my 3.5mm mic directly into the 560s. Tried the schiit fulla but it compresses my mic way too much. Thank you!
Also, the headphones get plenty loud even direct through a Ps5 controller 🥳
Do they sound worse on ps5 than pc? (For apex). The DT900 Pro
How do you connect to ps5?
@@wokenbrilliance9034 Through a PS5 controller and the included 3.5 mm cable
@@FreshReviewsYT the sound quality coming from the controller is garbage
btw, out of all these, what would you pick for single-player games?
by these i mean 560s, 400i, the Beyers, the Hifimans, the Focals, etc
Hey I am also looking for the best competitive headphones. These are the best ones I know and I was wondering if you could make a review about them.
ATH-R70
ATH-AD2000X
HD 560S
HD 58X (remove the inside piece)
DT 900 PRO X
These are the best I have heard, also some people say earbuds. But can you do a review and verses each one of these to see which is truly the best. Then I will know which to buy.
Been using the DT 900 Pro X for about a week now paired with a ModMic Wireless and I can't stress enough how much these were worth it. I feel like I'm able to pinpoint certain sound cues more accurately than I was able to with my old PC37x. Genuinely happy I came across this channel otherwise I wouldn't have figured out how good these were. Thanks Fresh!
glad to hear it!!!!
What dac/amp do you use
@@cryptok9185 currently I have a Mayflower Arc MK2, but I'm thinking about replacing it with either a Schiit Fulla E or Schiit Hel 2E
@@RiGGz_ oh nice any reason why ?
Sorry am new to this and thought you buy headphones and plug in and away you go, didn’t know about all this amp and dac stuff lol. The Schiit Hel looks a good one, I would want one that’s similar to like the Astro a50 that can easily control the volume toggles and that can bring the best out of the 900 pro x
@@cryptok9185 I use the topping ensemble E50/L50
Thank you for this content! There aren't enough headphone reviews that are gaming-focused. Keep in mind that some of us need closed backs for isolation, so a ranking of closed backs separate from open backs would be helpful.
I’m starting to hear that more and more. I’m going to have to do a closed back video for sure
For sure, have a set of AKG K371 that were doing great for me but unfortunately one side stopped working. Waiting for a set of 900 Pro X to arrive and I'm hoping my home's ambient noise doesn't render them useless.
Such a great series! Would love to see them grouped together in a playlist so new viewers can watch your progression through different mains
You've hooked me with this series. Absolutely love your summaries. Will be picking up these 900s now
Did you end up keeping them?
I used to have the 1990, it was a phenomenal headphone but it wasn't so tolerant with not-so-well-mixed tracks. I'm glad that BD has decided to go soft with Pro X series, maybe I will give DT 900 Pro X another chance.
I'd like to know weather the DT1990 Pro leaks more sound than the DT900 Pro X. I don't want to go for another pair closed backs, like the DT700 pro X, coming from a pair of DT770 (250ohms).
This helped so much. I just got the 560s and it wasn’t as good as I thought it would be. Just fell a little too flat and will be picking up the 900 pro x based off this. Thank you!!
Let me know how you like them
@@FreshReviewsYT Just got them and they're absolutely perfect. Noticeable upgrade from the HD560s. Amazing for gaming and great for music
@@martinbriones5763 would you recommend the 900s for just casual/adventure style games over the 560s or just straight competitive ?
Is the positional audio about the same on the dt900pro x and the hd 560s? My hearing isn’t what it used to be so I want something that a clear soundstage that can help me pin point bullets or footsteps without second guessing myself. Thanks
@@TiimBow hey! I would say it’s about the same but the 900 pro x sound stage is a bit more impactful because it’s a bit closer. The 560s feel more open and are fantastic and are very comfortable and clear with analytical precision. But some close range shooters lose out to the 900 pro x because of that openness. I feel the 900 pro x right now is probably the overall winner for me out of the headphones I’ve tried. But the 560s are fantastic and the differences in advantageous gains are slim
Just got DT900 pro X few days ago and im blown away with the sound(music and games), as it was said, they also have good sound isolation and they dont leak out sound that much. I have Quadcast microphone next to me and i have no issue with it picking up sound form headphones. Would recommend.
Thanks for this. I was going to use for voice monitoring and editing. I was close to buying the 700 pro x based on dms review of it but then Chris Judd said 900 pro x is better for editing and monitoring. Curtis Judd > Dms for voiceover work opinion any day.
I'm coming from the the Beyer Dynamic DT770's(250ohm). Just ordered the DT900 Pro X yesterday, but I almost wish i would of just shelled out another $300+ and just went with the 1990's instead. Would love to try them out. If anything, I'm hoping the 900's outperform my 770's and I'm sure they will at least when it comes to soundstage and sounding more open obviously
@@NintenPizza Never heard the 770 but I sold my 900 pro x. Seemed too dampened or veiled. The sound stage is average at best. My Spirit S3 sounds better in every way
@@jcap8391 Ouch! Harsh review of 900 Pro X but I'm glad to read something which keeps my money in my pocket and kills my curiosity :D
@@drewmorg. Yeah Brother I wanted to like them so much. The comfort was another aspect I was on the fence with. I wore them every day for a month straight and the clamp force always bugged me for anything over 1 hour of use. I have the 560s which in my opinion are better in every way too. Don't know what your use case is going to be but I feel like the 900 pro x are middle of the pack at best ✌️
Good thing Beyerdynamic added the earpads with the round foam pad inside to the 900 Pro X. These made their debut in the TYGR 300R and tame the MURDEROUS Beyer treble/brightness/Sharp highs. Altought I think Tygrs 300R are more EQ and tuned for warmth and bass, I wonder if the 900 Pro X is something I can endure as I'm quite sensitive to sharp high frequencies and the DT 1990 pro were painful to listen while gaming. Well maybe Beyer will just update the Gaming lineup with these new Stellar.45 drivers down the line. Will have to look some dedicated TYGR 300R vs DT 900 Pro X reviews to consider if they would be an upgrade or sidegrade!
I suggest adding an eq. The treble spike is still present, a bit muted compared to the 990s. With an eq the 900s are really amazing for the money.
I'm also treble-sensitive and found that Beyer sharpness in the DT 770 unpleasant. In addition to just being too much treble, it can make some things sound artificial; this seemed very genre-dependent. Not sure if that's inherent to the Beyer sound or specifically the DT 770 Pro 80ohm.
I recently splurged on the Monolith M1570 after a recommendation, and find they really suit my tastes with no EQ needed. They're warm and slightly mid-forward, but still very precise. Bass is clearly defined deep into the sub-bass, but it can benefit from a slight bass boost if you choose the fuzzy velour pads, which I find more comfortable than the leather (they include both). Might be worth a try if you're treble-sensitive and looking for something open back.
@@Raptor007 Hello thanks. Those a re planars right? I wonder if they deliver in imaging and soundstage for FPS gaming. That is the weird thing, never seen a planar cut it and convince the pros or tryhard competitive fps gamers, yet. Always beaten by dynamic drivers. Only planar I have listened are Sundaras, real nice but not good for comp gaming.
@@Frencho9 Yes, they're open-back planar. Music was my primary consideration, but I do game often too.
My go-to game now is MWO which is not very sound dependent, so I just fired up R6 Siege and went back and forth between the M1570 and Denon AH-D2000 (my everyday cans for years) to compare. I found the planars better at sound separation and directional imaging, but I did find distance a little harder to judge. My guess is that it's because they are fully open, so my brain is trying to process both the game's spacial cues and the real echoes in my room. On the other hand, older games that just do a simple stereo pan sound better with the open back's wider soundstage.
And wow, that sound quality... I'd previously put the AH-D2000 against the DT770 for music, and found the Beyer treble harsher and more artificial, giving me a fresh appreciation for my old Denons at the time. Now comparing them to planars reinforces how happy I am with the new purchase. I'm actually a little shocked how bad the Denons sound to me now, considering they beat the Beyers in my previous comparison.
OMG - your review convinced me and made me buy the 900 x pro. Thank you so much for this ! Did read others but yours was the one that made me actually do it. I also bought the sondblasterx g6 - no that motherboard is able to drive these but wanted the extra. I hear details like never before. In battlefield 5 I hear sounds so clearly that I can almost “see” through houses and walls this is crazy. For many years I was one of the hard ones saying you need surround headphones - no you need very good stereo headphones ! I totally recommend the bd 900 pro x for gaming !
Glad to hear it!
How much does the DAC help, would you even say it makes any difference in being able to localize sound cues or no?
farout this channel is so good. honest, simple, clear, fps expert - love it!
Add this to quest for gaming headphones playlist please. Missed this video in playlist. Great job, thanks for reviews!
Would be cool to see a more detailed head to head comparison of the 560s and the dt900 (or whatever you use now) and why you switched.
On his about it says the 900 pro x is his main now
He said it, because the imaging and soundstage are much better. The DT 900 simply has everything combined in one headphone, it's the most complete headphone. That's why you can spot enemies better, because the balanced sound creates a better feeling for the virtual room.
@@RabbitConfirmed Some people say the opposite because HD560s have more balanced sound, detailed, better comfort because of oval earpads and light in weight and less expensive
@Clickbait Pro Just got both for Christmas. Haven't played any fps games yet, but I feel the dt900 pro x are the better all arounders. Hd560s has a bigger soundstage, but the dt900 pro x has better positional audio and just sounds more enjoyable.
@@chrisasmith75 you try it now for fps competitive gaming?
Great vid. Totally agree with your opinion. I have the 990 instead of the 1990 and whilst the 990 is more comfortable than the 900, the imaging sounds a bit better and that low end hits hard.
Dt 990 is two times cheaper then 900x, so my guestion is it worth it when I will use headphones most for gaming?
@@LexDexKex you will need an amp if you don’t already have one so they’ll cost about the same in the end. You can just use an apple usb c to 3.5mm dongle with the 900s. The 900s are only a bit better, I find them more comfortable for long sessions as the ear pads are deeper my ears never touch the drivers. They sound less harsh in gaming, like certain games gunshots with the 990 are a bit much, nothing an eq can’t fix if you’re on pc. Also detachable cable is nice to have.
Thank you for your review. I has been considering DT 900 since I learned that beyer released new headseats, but other good options like 58x or k712 stopped me from final desicion. This video helped me to finally choose one and to end this torment of my own indecisiveness.
Glad I could help!
I had the 58x and the 900 pro x is far better in my opinion
Ohhh K712 is one unreal headphone too though. Damn I almost forgot that one. decisions decisions!!
Was waiting on your review of the 900’s before I pulled the trigger. Pleasantly surprised you reviewed them so quickly. Ordered mine tonight and they will be here Monday.
Let me know what you think!!!!
Will do.
The 900 Pro X is a beast for competitive gaming. The imaging is phenomenal. Honestly I feel like I'm hacking because of what I can hear while using these headphones. My go to headphone was the T90 for competitive gaming followed by the 1990 and 560s. I am actually shocked these are only $300. Thank you Fresh Reviews for your wonderful and informative channel. There is a lot of BS with reviewers these days and your channel is a breath of fresh air. Keep up the awesome work!!
@@reckulurn3038 tyvm!!!!
@@reckulurn3038 Can you tell us which games you played with the 900 Pro X’s?
Loving this series. Could you test out the Audio Technica ATH-R70x and AKG K612? Also, could you compile the series into a playlist, please?
I purchased a tygr 300 after watching these vids but gave it to my boy.
I did once have a dt1990 but was too high in the treble so sold it.
I now have a dt900 pro and all i can say is seriously change the pads to the fenestrated sheepskin.
Before i tear my original pads apart for the rings inside i just placed them where they sit to try them. Bigger soundstage and still sound amazing with music. Bass is slightly more in volume but due to the 900 pro having such linear bass this isnt a problem but the clarity is better and can judge distance even better than the velour pads which shocked me as on the tiger the imaging/distance was negatively affected.
You have the pads just place them against the headphones to hear the difference.
Do the fenestrated sheepskin fit the 900 pro x model?
Really appreciate this review, after a solid month of debate you have convinced me to get the 900 pro x. I broke my HD560S and was really displeased with the build quality and this just seemed like the next best step up. Thank you thank you thank you!
@irvin:bro how do they compare with your broken hd560s.I am tore between hd560 and 900 pro x.
@@Arthritis07 Honestly its a major difference, I kept reading conflicting reviews of people saying they were very similiar and others saying they were different so I was hesitant. After using them for about a month I can honestly say they have the best imaging for gaming. When I play apex I know exactly where people are before a fight and my teamates are always surprised when I can hear someone way before we run into them.
@@irvin4019Thanks for the update. I am gonna order both and see which one I like more.
@@kamalpreetg1 Which one did you like more. How does the hd560s compare to the Dt 990 pro X, if you don’t mind sharing
@@irvin4019 holy shit this blew my mind. Would this be the case for CSGO also in your opinion? Left/Right directionality is fine, but I struggle to differentiate between lower vs higher altitude enemies eg nuke, vertigo
Great review! Ordered the HD560 per your review about 6-7 months ago. Been wanting something a little “more”. I put my dt 770 back on just to try em. Going to try the dt900! Thanks!
Would love to see a review of the R70X. I A/Bd the R70X with the Sundara a while back, thought they were great for footstep placement. I think the build quality is fine, they just feel flimsy because they are so light.
I hear they are great for gaming but sound very flat so not very good for listening to music.
I have R70x and I game on games where sound is very important tarkov / hunt. I love it, super accurate in pinpointing footsteps
The 900 together with the new USB-C cable makes a great PC gaming headset, especially because the mic is pretty good.
I'm curious to see if this quest will lead you into the rabbit hole of IEMs at some point. Great video as always.
What’s the best IEMS under $100
I was waiting for some of DT900 pro X review for week.
Now you are first reviewer on gaming reviewers.
Thank you so much telling me your experience.
Keeep up going. You r next RJN.
Love your channel from Japan.
This guy... Always making me buy something new 😉... Thanks Fresh!
I have wasted money on misleading videos that made me buy wrong headsets that has poor sound quality. I can guarantee you this video is the realist one out there. After watching your video I went and got me the Dt900 pro x and ohhh man! I am hearing things I never heard before. The sound quality coming out of this is unmatched !
Glad I could help!!
BRO - just an update. For warzone(only) I still feel the 560s takes the cake over the 900ProX... but I will give them more time. Also a surprising newcomer that has served well so far (only spent maybe 4 hours so far) are the E-mu Teaks. I bought them for music but they have worked really well as a closed back.
560s are goated
Same, I tested the 560s and 900ProX. Prefer the 560s 100%.
@@dcrock8978 I have been using the 900 proX a lot more and they are growing on me. But I need to switch back to see how I feel.
@@timmasters4893 did u switch back to 560s?Which one do u prefer?
@@Arthritis07 not for long enough. When I get more time in I'll switch back and then report back
After trying the 900 X's for about a month, I went back to the 560s. I did not like how closed off they sounded for an "open-backed" headset. I also did not like the fit of them as well as the 560's. They are heavier and just did not fit my head shape as well. However, this time with the 560s I tried applying Oratory's EQ settings and they now sound perfect for my needs. With the EQ, they are no longer as flat and "boring". I am driving them with a Topping DX3 Pro+ and think I have finally found my end game setup for gaming and music. It's been a long journey I've been on for about a year and gone through many different headsets. Thank you for all your videos and content as they've been a great resource throughout this process!
Dukie, I’ve thought about doing the same thing and I can’t agree with you more. They are much more closed off than the typical open back. I’ll have to check out the eq
@@FreshReviewsYT I highly recommend giving it a shot, it gives you the best of both worlds in my opinion. You get the openness and better detail/accuracy from the 560's, but the EQ adds enough dynamics that make it more enjoyable to listen to across different content (aka adds some "fun" factor). This was my first time messing with EQ and found it easier than I expected. You just need to install Equalizer APO, then Peace (which is just a UI over Equalizer APO). You can then look up Oratoty's recommended EQ for the 560s and it's just a matter of plugging in the values into Peace.
@@dukies0799 did you use oratory preset or just some of eq settings?
@@EvLTimE I'm using oratory's preset
@@dukies0799 I felt 560S sound stage worked against them in my opinion. Imaging and directional accuracy were flawless but that is not everything. I was losing sound cues and footsteps (even your own) sound very far away in the 560S. I ended up using the spatial audio setting in the Steel Series software to bring the sound stage in and amplify footsteps and that was just about perfect. But I got greedy and moved on to other headsets... 560S are a great all arounder especially for the price and are not hard to drive. Comfort was a deal breaker too, the little earnotch in the cup kept resting on my right ear.
Great review man! Definitely making the DT 900 pro x my next purchase!
Tyvm!!!
Let me know how you end up liking them!!
100% buying these tomorrow and using your affiliate link. Great review and awesome presentation.
Great impressions brother, I think you're actually enjoy trying out all these headphones...one headphone you might want to try are the T50rp, with a little modding like ear pads you got yourself something really special there, not to expensive if you know where to look but I can say the T50rp's imaging and with one of the darkest background I've heard on any headphones can really impress me in games/movies etc etc.
Which mods did you go with on yours? I'm curious of getting the t50rp mk3 myself.
Throwing in the sound stage of the 560s, and the audio quality of 1990s comparison made me pull the trigger on the 900
A better alternative for competitive gaming headphones would probably be the Air series by Audio-Technica such as the ATH-AD700X (or better) or for closed-back the Art series such as the ATH-A900Z (or better). Basically any Audio-Technica headphones that uses their 53mm drivers (i.e. not the M50X's).
I find the 700x to be good but the 560s and 900 I like much better. I do want to try the r70 next though!!
I using the ad700x as my main headphones right now
@@melrexmelrex great option!
@@FreshReviewsYT the issue with R70X it has narrow soundstage, so while directionality is great - fantastic for critical music listening, however it is difficult to gauge how far the target is in a game. Edit: based on ZReviews' testing anyway. I might pick one up to test as well.
The ad-2000x is one of the best for gaming
Bought DT900 Pro X after watching all quest series. Combined with Sound Blaster AE-7. I was using a Philips X2HR and will compare to what I used to. Mostly PUBG related: Positional 360 degree accuracy is better than X2HR. For example, with X2HR you can hear that the enemy is between 30-40 degrees to your right, but with DT 900 Pro X it is like 33-37 degrees to your right. But, distancewise, it was surprise for me: X2HR is better. For example with X2HR I can say that the enemy is 40-50 m away from me, but with DT 900 Pro X it is like 30-60 m away. The distant sounds are higher with DT 900 Pro X, so maybe a less dynamic headphone thats why. The volume is also like 30% higher than X2HR with all parameters the same: so less power sensitive headphone. All what I written is totally subjective stuff as I am using AE-7 with surround enabled, which changes a lot in soundstage and imaging.
@@tyski9000 Not a real gaming upgrade after X2HR. Distance is hard to localize. In PUBG the bass is so much the DT 900 Pro X is literally shaking when a C4 explodes. It is funny because X2HR is always considered a bassy headphone but DT 900 Pro X is like 3 times more bassy. I still think Beyers are a good option but I feel like it is a sidegrade comparing to Philips.
@@polofthejungle I'm glad someone else feels this way. Every review I see is hyping up the 900s like they're god tier imaging/soundstage. But imo they're quite mid coming from 990s. I have 0 issue with the 990s treble. I have a big issue with the 900s bass though. If I pop a bat or have any bass noise in apex, I might as well be deaf, cuz any imaging of where the enemy is at that point is out the window.
Just got my dt900 pro. I agree that dt1990 pro soundstage is way too insane for this game. Sometimes I got lost. Dt900pro has more precise sound imaging and location.
Glad you enjoy!
@@FreshReviewsYT Thanks! But I still say that for mixing or any studio related works, dt1990pro is still a step superior.
@@thq.8555 100%
I'm torn between the two. Spend the extra $400+ and get the DT1990 Pro, or just go for the 900 Pro X. is there that much of a difference.
@@NintenPizza Not 400 dollars worth of difference certainly
only review i needed for the 900 pro x 👍🏽 thank you!
Speak of perfect timing! I’ve been wanting to grab a pair of closed backs to pair with my 1990’s and the 700 x’s have been on my radar. You definitely persuaded me into giving them a shot. Great review as always Freshy!
Ty! For a closed back they’re some of the best! They fall behind when compared directly side by side to the open back 900. But they’re quite good!
@@FreshReviewsYT Which one's better, 700 PRO X or MMX 300?
Zahit Emre Metin according to what he said about the dt 700 pro x, I would recommend you to get the mmx300 if it is for mainly gaming since it will cost you about the same with a mic on the mmx300 which is also pretty good for it’s price.
@@themaster123king2 mmx300
Is solid! Really can’t go wrong there if you need the mic attachment all in one option. The 700 pro x is great also, just doesn’t quite hit the mark like the 900
Fresh Reviews I think I will go with the dt 900 pro x I wonder how they sound for Escape from Tarkov and R6 siege, do you think they will be something for them on Black Friday ?
Thanks for this fresh! I'm sold! Gonna keep an eye out for them!
I ordered myself the DT 700 PRO X Just yesterday. I will get them Tuesday to Wednesday. I come from the AKG K712 Pro, which are actually open backed. When I used them primarily for Music listening and games, they were great, but upon starting to live stream and voice recording, too many issues with sound bleed became apparent over time. While I actually tend to prefer open back headphones, for music (not so much for games, funny enough) I had to make the switch now, that listening to music has become less important to me. Time will tell, how this plays out.
Hope you love it!
So what did time tell?
Can you explain more about how the AKG 702 are for music listening? Thank you.
Thank you very much for this video you helped me decide I am going with the dt 900 pro x.
For gaming on the entire line beyer Dt, the DT 880 are my favorites
For the price you can't beat the 880 for gaming. I have the 1990 also and the difference in price is not worth the gains.
For 20 minutes, sure... But after that, it is a sharp knife in your ears. That treble peak in 990 and 880 is a big "nope" for lot of people. To me, its almost unbearable. Too sharp. That is why Tygr is much praised. They used extra cushion to dampen that famous treble peak.
@@Gkhn32 Yepp, I agree. I'm using the TYGR 300R and love them for how allround they are, gaming, music, midnight music listening. Maybe abit muddy in the highs and not super crisp, but my ears thanks me when I am cranking up that volume for metal music. And the bass also gives a punch for hip hop for being a pair of open headphones.
@@Gkhn32 I know this is old, but did you actually use the 990s? I keep seeing this opinion so maybe my ears are just completely different, but I have absolutely no issue with the treble peak. I really can't believe how extreme people make it sound to be.
Just bought the dt900 pro x for $250. My dad has a hifiman sundara so that's the best pair of headphones I've tried.
I had a different experience with the 900 Pro X as far as imaging. I have the 1990's and I found that the imaging is more precise compared to the 900 Pro X's. With the 900 Pro X's, I found that imaging was good but found that there were gaps. Like you would hear footsteps in front of you then snap to your left or right, whereas with the 1990's it was a clear 360 transition. I've tried many headphones since my 58x's broke. From the 560, Tygr 300R, R70X, 1990, and 900 Pro X but IMO if your primary focus is imaging and you have the budget for it, the 1990's are the best. Keep in mind I play Valorant and CSGO. I'm also using Equalizer APO, Peace GUI, Oratory1990's EQ preset, and analytical pads with the 1990 which I implore you to try out.
Nice. Yea in my testing I stuck to no EQs, straight out of the box testing (minus the dekoni earcups on the 1990)
@@FreshReviewsYT I was thinking of trying aftermarket earpads with the 1990 but decided to try Equalizer APO + Peace GUI + Oratory1990's preset + the stock analytical pads for the 1990's since it's free and I'm glad I tried it before purchasing Dekoni's. I'm more than satisfied with the sound signature since the EQ adds a bit of warmth with the added bass. I see that you were thinking of trying out the R70X. It's really good for gaming and would be my second choice out of all the headphones I've tried. The 1990 outshines it with it's faster driver. My only gripe is the build quality. It feels really light. I'm sure it's built well but I don't trust myself since I'm a clutz.
@@downlikeaklown3711 haha that was my issue going into it also. I hear it feels like paper 📄
What’s your favorite out of the bunch? I’ve tried the 560S, R70X, and Sundara. Really liked the R70X for the warmer sound while still maintaining wallhack-tier gaming performance but felt like it lacked clarity. Trying to find something like it with more resolution.
@@wassy4444 1990 would be my recommendation. It has the resolution that the R70X is lacking with slightly better imaging. Out of the box, the 1990 will have the balanced pads installed which makes the headphones slightly warm. But for me, installing Equalizer APO + Peace GUI + Oratory 1990's EQ settings with the analytical pads was better.
just ordered the dt900's thanks to your review. this will be my first "audiophile" type headphone so I'm really hoping I don't regret it.
I hope so too!
Let me know!
Just found your channel today and I love your Quest for the Best Competitive Gaming Audio series. Haven't found anyone on UA-cam yet that explains headphones' imaging accuracy on distance verticality and clarity in competitive shooters thoroughly like you do. Now, I'm just curious and I am suggesting if you are willing of course, if you are interested in comparing the DT880 Edition, the HD 560s and the DT 900 Pro X.
Welcome brother!
I have the 880 600 Ohm and just got the 900 Pro X to try. The 880 is not good for gaming imo. The sound signature with the treble spike is almost painful with gunshots, it doesn't have enough bass punch to give those "tinglers" that the video mentions (something I've had trouble describing in the past but which a lot of reviewers don't really seem to grasp, you may notice some of them say bass is more important for directional audio while others say it's treble when the reality is really more of a delicate balance), and the imaging and soundstage just aren't good enough imo.
The 900 Pro X rectifies a ton of the DT line's longstanding issues imo, particularly the treble spike that's finally been brought down to a level that doesn't cater to hearing damaged individuals. It's fantastic for gaming but not so much for music imo, it has some weird dips in the frequency that make just sound kinda "wrong". This is where the 560 comes in, I haven't tried it at home for games but I do trust Fresh's gaming recommendation for them, but I did try them with music in a guitar center and they sound great with basically any genre. I think they're a much better "general use" headphone than the 900, but only if you find them to be comfortable (they have incredibly strong clamp that never really goes away due to the thick plastic construction and somewhat thin pads so unlike the HD600 line, they're not great for glasses and will not change much over time).
@@CreedK Nice. But I kinda gave up on the fact that headphones can be perfect. And imo, many IEMs out there aren't great either. I just bought a cheap IEM and EQ'ed it.
I got the asus 270hz because of you and it didn’t disappoint. Now I will probably get these too.
Glad to hear it about the monitor!!! Let me know about the headphones if you get them!!
I have a couple headphones rn namely the 560s and the Sundaras. I use the 560s for gaming and the Sundaras for everything else. I had the 1990s but the treble was atrocious. I agree the 560s are a step back for competitive multiplayer. Just ordered the 700x since I don't have any closed backs outside of my bose QC 35s. I'm hoping the treble isn't too much for me
Update the treble is perfectly fine. Soundstage is wide enough for me but there's no depth to the imaging, so it's more like a horizontal axis where sound plays from. There's no sibilance but you can definitely tell they lack the resolution in the mids of even something like the 560s. Bass is a little more present but not bloated. I've really enjoyed them but for the price, I'm not sure if they're worth it.
What Amp/DAC are you using?
@@Princeton_James topping E30 with a jds labs EL amp ii
@Linos I’m pretty done with buying new headphones. Might end up getting a high end pair like the focal clears but that’s more for entertainment than using it as a tool
Ohey again, in your comments once more. I now have Truthear Zero X Crinacle and DT700 Pro X coming in the mail lol. My main DT770 are in need of repair, life has been miserable for the last 2 weeks as I live with a loud guitarist who also plays loud Rocket League on speakers. Hopefully these headphones are comparable to my old ones, I just need the detachable cable or else I break them xd.
7:25.. Sold..
Haha one of the main reasons I’m maining them now!
@@FreshReviewsYT The reason why i never bought senheisers.. they just lak the fun (atleast for me)..
An the reason why i got sundaras 2 years ago.. the reason why i orderd zeus 2 weeks ago and iam slightly salty at beyer becasue they did not release them a bit earlier but hey.. i love having variations.. so guess im picking them anyway ;)
in germany, the dt 900 pro x are only 240 EUR with Tax, because these headphones are made in germany
You need to bring the H6Pro Open to the Journey 😉
waiting on my DT900 pro x and Fiio K7 Dac/amp atm will be my set up for a while.
I added the XDUO mt02 amp and changed out the tubes with my 560s. It really adds more depth, soundstage, and bass which I enjoy for gaming and music.
I’m enjoying them on the MT-604 with stock tubes. What tubes are you using on the 602?
@@reckulurn3038 "Riverstone Audio - Tested/Matched Pair (2 Tubes) 7-Pin GE JAN 5654W Fully-Tested Vacuum Tubes - Upgrade for 6AK5 / 6J1 / 6J1P / EF95 - JAN 5654W Platinum Grade Pair" bought on amazon. Took a little while for the tubes to break in then I found I like the sound of the headphones loosened up a bit as strange as that sounds. Give it a shot if you want. The stock tubes are really good but if you want to try something different it might be worth giving a try.
For the value oriented folk, the Beyerdynamic store sometimes stocks up on refurbs with 2 year warranties, 30 day returns, new pads, and all accessories. But the Pro X lineup is currently out of stock, so till next time on those.
I was admittedly a bit skeptical given the sheer volume of opinions regarding what the "best" gaming headphone out there is, most of which are just complete BS (which isn't surprising given that most people don't really play at a high level- my stats on Warzone/COD/Apex/PUBG/etc hover around the top 15-2% of players for context). My 4ish year journey has taken me through the X2HR, 660s, DT880, K702, and now both this 700 and 900. I must say though, this man is the real deal and the review is dead on.
- While the 900 has pretty abysmal tuning for music imo, it really is wall-hack level while still maintaining a sound signature that's enjoyable to still experience the environment. It was almost overwhelming at first because of how much accurate information I was getting simultaneously. It's also super comfortable despite the very high clamp force, something that I've struggled with on other headphones. My one criticism is that it lacks a bit of verticality so it isn't as great at accurately representing a 3D space as some other headphones despite amazing directional imaging and good soundstage. It's also a bit expensive for something strictly gaming focused for most people, I wouldn't recommend it for general use unless you already have something else to compliment it. In that regard, I think the HD560s would still be the best for the majority of people looking to just get one headphone to do everything well (if you find it physically comfortable of course).
- The 700 doesn't have the same wall-hacking ability, but is a good alternative if you need to have something that's a closed back and is also more fun for music. While the 900 has a surprising amount of very high quality bass for an open back, the inverse is true of the 700 in that it's very controlled bass for a closed back. This is excellent for both of them imo.
For the other ones I have:
- The X2HR was a decent headphone when it first released- a bass heavy and comfortable open-back headphone with a large soundstage in a time when nothing similar was really available. That being said, I think it's a muffled mess of a headphone that's basically propped up by its quirky aesthetic now. It's still good for both gaming and music at $100, it just pales in comparison to all of today's offerings.
- The 660s, while being the big brother of the 560s, is not that good for gaming. While it has rectified the imaging issues of the prior releases, the HD600 line of headphones was always known for its ridiculously small soundstage and this is no different. While a small soundstage isn't necessarily a killer for gaming, feeling like you're having a firefight inside of a phone booth is. The bigger issue is that the sound signature is ridiculously laid back/mid-forward. Some people don't like it at all but personally, as someone who's very treble and bass sensitive, this is my absolute favorite headphone for general use and music.
- The 880 is a love it or hate it headphone. The only thing it really excels at is listening at lower volumes imo which is probably why so many audiophiles love it. However, despite having an almost identical frequency response to the HD800, the imaging and soundstage are so poor that it does not replicate the former's performance for gaming. I'm really not a fan of the treble spike and am probably going to sell these soon.
- The K702 is a really weird one. It's definitely second best for gaming on my short list, but that doesn't mean it's necessarily close to the 900 (but the gap is very small if you also pair it with a surround sound software like Razer THX or Dolby, the imaging is simply not good enough without it). That being said, I really love it for its absolutely enormous soundstage and uniquely "airy" presentation of games and music without feeling too sterile like the 880/800s. I probably wouldn't own it as my only headphone, but I definitely recommend that people pick them up for their current sale price of $150 before they completely disappear.
As an added note, I've also ended up with the G303 Shroud after demoing like 12 mice over the past year or so while looking for a replacement for the G403. It's a polarizing shape, but I'm glad to see someone else also rank it so highly for FPS games.
Nice read
Good review. Since you have the DT1990 try out the Dekoni Elite Hybrid. Better then Elite Fenestraded for gaming. Foot steps are loud and have that heavy feel. I also have Elite Suede but those are bass heavy and lose too much of the high detail. Elite Hybrid are now my favorite pads for 1990. A lot more lively without losing the beautiful details from highs!
Love it! Ty!
One thing I miss in many reviews between the 700 and the 900 is how they isolate noise and how much they leak noise. I have the Sundaras and they do no isolation and leak a lot.
You should get closed back if you want more isolation and no leakage
Upgrading from astro a50s to some beyerdynamics. I ordered the 900's before watching this video and got very anxious about my purchase before this video, but you calmed it down lmao
You won’t be let down! Solid purchase
These are amazing! Thank you for the video! The zeus are still great, but these are on another level for less money! I could not be happier. Just be sure to do your next competitive audio quest video within a month so I can still return the 900 pro x's if you find one that's better out there for the same price. :) I'll happily pay more if you think the extra price is worth the audio advantage for gaming though. You are the mofo'ing man! I am hitting an average of 372.1 FPS in fortnite with my new PC and 390hz monitor. My setup is AMAZING now that I have these headphones! Thank you thank you thank you!
I did like you did. I got the Dt 900 pro X after seeing this video even though I have the 560s. Also playing fortnite and can’t decide but wanna keep the 900 pro X. Also need another video before a month to be able to return if needed…😄
@@kambos2802 I love amazon 😂… I’m definitely thinking I’m going to keep them. The problem is fortnite audio just sucks ass no matter how good the headset
@@notblazedfordays9536 I don’t play other games but heard that the audio sucks compared to other games
@@kambos2802 what did you keep and why?
Just ordered the 900 x tonight :) gonna pair it with a atom amp and see how it goes.
There are many headphones you haven't tried that are great for gaming! There's an "upgraded" version of harmonicdyne Zeus called Poseidon, there's Beyerdynamic t1.2, Audio Technica ad-2000x with a pad change, Beyerdynamic mmx 300, Beyerdynamic DT 880 premium 250 ohm, audio Technica r70x, Austrian audio x65 which is supposedly much better than x55, you can include these in the next quest for best competitive audio
Ty!
I brought the ad2000x this year but the wire went bad. Sent them in for repair but they said they was beyond repair. I know they could be repaired but the place I had the warranty with said they couldn't. So I used the money and ordered the HarmonicDyne Zeus. Hope they sound better than the ad2000x. Then again after I got the ad2000x they never come up as top gaming headphones. Headphones less expensive come up as top gaming headphones.
He already made a video about MMX 300.
ua-cam.com/video/2pbbuUZEX8g/v-deo.html
Bought the dt 900 pro x after watching this review and they are very good
Very nice series man, watched all of them and i also recently bought a 560s 👍👍👍. Now that i have a 560s, 660s and also rocking a 600 for like 12 years, I can tell you right away i take the 660s over the 560s for gaming
I really like 560s and actually i would say its a more "complete" headphone then the 660s and for its price a better choice then the 660s. How ever in competitive titles i take the 660s over the 560s.
After going back end forth with both of them for about a month, a short conclusion would be: You hear more sounds out of the 560s but the ones you get from the 660s are just better.
The question is what are you looking for??? What i am trying to say is every game has more or less different sounds then others.. so Apex has much more sounds involved then CSGO has and that means the soundstage is less relevant in CSGO then it is in for example Apex. And thats the reason you are probably better suited with a 660s in CSGO and the 560s in Apex, remeber what i said at the beginning: You hear more sounds out of the 560s but the ones you get from the 660s are just better. Now an other difference is bass. They are both not bassy headphones but different. The 660s has less, not long lasting but crisper bass over the 560s thats another reason i take the 660s over the 560s for games. Bass is a very important part of a gaming headset because: You dont wont bass but you need bass to create depth. A gun shot in a Bunker should sound different then a shot open field in the desert and there for you need bass. The problem is if you have to much bass your highs get lost in very intense game situations. So.. bass yes but just enough. Another thing to mention is everything sounds further away on the 660s compared to the 560s, it took me a while to adjust. I dont agree with some people saying its not a good headphone for gaming because in my opinion its clearly the best 6XX headphone for it. My last argument to try the 660s is they have HD 700 drivers 😉Like your reviews and gameplay keep up man 👍👍👍
@Urs Dübel, I have had the 660S for just over a year now and wasn’t too impressed with them in Warzone. Which headphones you find that work better in Warzone, 560S or 660S? I’m just trying to find best headphones for Warzone.
@@SpideyDiG Hi, i would like to help you out, but i just played Warzone for like a month and i was playing with my HD 600 witch i not really recomend for gaming. I play PUBG for 5 years and played also Tarkov and in both games i take the 660s. I also have to admit that i use a Amp/DAC to pair with them so its not just the headphone and this also makes a huge difference. I will allways recomend the 560s because i cant find a a better "neutral" analytic headphone for its price, its a very well rounded headphone and you cant go wrong with it. I am curious about the new 900X pro because the 1990 is a beast and if the 900X pro is up there i would give them a chance, its almost a 200 bugs difference so..
So which headphones are the best for cs 1.6 and cs go? 660s, 560s or 900 pro x ?
@@tattoofoodrock Out of theese 3 take the cheapest one you can get and safe the rest for your next GPU.. damn prices are getting worse and worse..
I found your channel at the perfect time and coincidentally we are most interested in Apex! Wish me luck on hitting masters this season (first time i've felt motivated past diamond)!
You got this!!
I’m also apex. I like the pc38x for apex but still feel I could get something better (ps5)
Nice review as always Fresh. How much better is the 900 pro x over the Zeus? Is it worth a side grade?
I would say it's probably not worth the side grade unless you can sell off the Zeus for around what you paid. the Zeus are still absolutely fantastic. The gains are super marginal and both headphones do different things better. For me, the 900 pro wins for gaming, but again, very marginal
@@FreshReviewsYT thanks man - appreciate the personal response. Keep up the good work my dude!
I just bought the HD560s based on the strength of your reviews this past week, but I find it uncomfortable on my hears (not blaming you of course) but I may just return them and try out the 990X. Yes it's 70 cdn more but I hope it will be more comfortable and based on you and other gaming focused audiophile reviewers it seems like it will be a one and done headphone purchase for any budding audiophile fps gamer. (with a Zen dac air in my case)
I returned the HD 560s as i found them uncomfortable to wear. Upgraded to the DT 900 Pro X and am testing them out now. So far they are more comfortable but still my ears begin to hurt after a few hours of wearing them.
Maybe I'm just cursed with big ears lol, and will have to put up with sore lobes when wearing headphones.
What about between: DT 1770, 770 Pro X and 770?
Which would you chose for competitive and which for immersion?
Maybe you have other options. I really want closed backs as I already have HD660s.
I just ha e to say after buying the zen dac v2 and.the Beyerdynamics dt 900 pro x I'm.in love Jesus they are magic... Played cs for more then soon 20 years and we'll again I'm in love with this combo ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
Glad to hear it. Much love!
Assuming someone prefers closed backs because they live in noisy environments, would the DT 700 still be a good option for competitive play? Or would something like the MMX 300 be better?
I hear the DT700’s are more in your face, yet sound more narrow, closed in and congested. I’m tired of Closed back myself simply because of the lack luster soundstage.
I’m either going for the 900 Pro X’s or 1990s and will just boost the bass with my DACs eq settings
Two budget-oriented options you should try are the SHP 9500 and the Samson SR850, the SHP's have a wide soundstage, decent imaging and quite forward upper mind/low treble area, good for competitive uses. The Samson's lack detail, but the imaging seemed scary good from the little I tried them.
The Fostex TR60P are also an interesting pair, very neutral and a few people say they have very good imaging capabilities (they listen to music though, not sure about gaming).
This, and I'd like for koss kph30i and ksc75 to that list
I agree main the ships for years. Upgraded 560s with hybrid tube amp and amazeballs.
@@crazybigball82 How big is the jump from the ships to the hd560s. I plan on making the same jump and wanted to know more information about it, if you don’t mind sharing. Please be as granular as possible.
@@dc6953 Just got the HD 560s and it's a good jump. Much better sense of distance and more precision in the imaging (the imaging feels similarly strong, I think). The soundstage is a bit smaller, but is 'filled' out better with a more present and linear low-end that also gives the imaging an edge. Also, better overall detail and smoother mids and bass over the shp's.
@@dc6953 I ran 3 pairs of SR850 (fully EQ'd with a Xonar sound card amp) back to back. They were excellent for the price. The build quality is trash tier and the headband is sharp enough to cut your finger if you rub it incorrectly. They fell apart on command every 1.5 years on the dot -- the left ear cup would just stop working. I do not recommend them but instead go straight to the 560S which is an upgrade in EVERY single way. Please trust.
Very interesting take on the DT 900. I've just recently tested them comparing them to my Zeus and HD560S and I felt like at least in Rainbow Six Siege there was too much of ambient noise going on with the DT900. I loved them for music listening due to their great sound stage and vocals are also amazing on them. Maybe it's just game depended. I didn't find the imaging to be exceptionally better than the other pairs at all. For gaming I didn't like the DT900. I'd personally go with the 560s still. My issue is the base I have on both the ZEUS and the DT900. If Zeus had less base I'd surely take it over the 560s anytime. Also one more thing I noticed is that both the DT900 and Zeus have a bit of sound isolation when you put them on. They don't sound as open as the 560s which I don't like that much. But that's personal preference.
Maybe changing pads would fix that issue for me.
*Bass
Very true about the sound isolation! I agree. Also, the 560s are still the BEST hands down for blocking out and clearing out bassy sound cues, so in any bass heavy game or for anyone bass sensitive I think my 560s would be my choice also. For apex and valorant and other tac shooters like cs go my 900 pro x actually gave me a noticeable, albeit not HuGE, improvement over the 560s. Two VERY good headphones for imaging
sure you tested the 900 and not the 990? the 900 just got released a few days ago..
Try eq, both headphones are eq friendly (but 560s cant do more base than stock).
@@Mr.Hatchet_ Yes I meant the new 900X.
just wanna say i got the DT900s cause of your review. and now i know what WALLHACKs mean.
Haha love it!
I managed to get the 990 Pros and 900 Pro X to work on Xbox Series X via Turtle Beach Stream Mic + xDuoo XD-05 amp. They both sound incredible for gaming and listening to music at the same time but I can't decide which ones are actually better.
Are you using an HDMI audio extractor?
@@dvdude Nope! Just the stream mic with the amp connected to the headphone port.
is really that close of a gap? i have the 990s and i was thinking to get the 900 pros, but if they are that close im not sure if its worth it
@@erickperezcruz8987 this is just me using them in gaming and music listening; keep in mind, 990s sounds much better all around in higher volumes which is a given since they require more power. 900 Pro X sounds more clearer then the 990s(not by a wide margin but definitely noticable) in certain areas because of the new drivers. I would still get them in general simply because the the convenience and versatility of the Pro X.
Amazing review, I'm surprised by how good this review was. Thank you man
Thanks so much!
Please review the ATH-R70X!
Awesome video as always. Epos released a new gaming headset, the H6pro with both an open and closed version. Would be interesting if you could test them too.
Sounds good ! Will check them out
Do you recommend any headphones as upgrade from harmonicdyne Zeus or it's not worth it to change for now?
It depends. If you are not happy with the zeus, the 900 Pro X is a great option. The Zeus though, in my opinion, are fantastic for gaming so you are really looking at a side grade with minor minor improvements in directional audio and clarity in intense situations
@@FreshReviewsYT thanks, so it's not worth it I definitely looking for upgrade not side grade, Zeus are excellent for me but I like to change something in my setup really often
I have been testing these headphones for 4 days now and I have to say that I am not convinced. My tygr sound much better and can also locate enemies better. The extra cost is not worth it at all.
Tested with ifi zen dac v2!
Well, they were both placed well in the wall hack tier list. I wouldn’t be surprised if someone liked one over the other. My preference is the 900.
I finally got the dt 900 pro x and I love them. Comparing the dt 900 to the hd 560s I find the 560 more natural with wider sound stage. The dt 900 I find more intimate with more focused imaging. I wish I could buy the hd 800s but that is not in my budget lol. I heard the focal clear mg pro supposed to be really good for gaming
can you plug them straight into your pc? or do you need a adapter of some sorts?
@@indie8709 you need a dac amp for best results. Depends on your mother board
What dac Amps and mic set up do you guys recommend for the 900 prox
@@nashynash1993 you don’t need a dac for the 900 x. My recon controller powers them good
@@crate718 what do you use for mic? I’m new to getting away from gaming headsets and playing on pc. Just trying to learn a decent setup for affordability.
You should review the Audio Technica r70x. iirc it's crinacle's headphone of choice for gaming under $500usd
Great review, especially catering towards a 'gaming' crowd with extensive knowledge (and skill for that matter lol) of the field. Your reviews stand out from the bigger audiophile reviewers! I have to say though, in your opinion when it comes to music (excluding films), how would you differentiate the 560s, Zeus, and the 900 Pro X? As you somewhat pointed out while the 900 outclasses the others in the 'wallhack' tier and I feel as though it may just be diminishing returns when it comes to gaming. You are one of the only people that have reviewed them while also slightly compares/referes to each other, so I would very much would like your input as all of them are in a similar price bracket and would like to recommend it. Also side note, what genres do you listen to, to get an idea of your biases.
Hey, Noot! I actually listen to quite a few different genres, anywhere from rap, hip hop, to Red Hot Chili Peppers, sublime, etc. I would say the best for music would be the Zeus. They are warm, have amazing sound stage, and amazing imaging. They lose a bit of clarity compared to the 560s and 900 pro x in games, that is to say, when there are a ton of audio cues going off, things are just a tiny bit harder to pick up on. The 560s I would say even feel more airy and clear than the 900 pro x, but the 900 pro x seems to have a bit more readability on directional Audio cues, because the bass gives things like foot steps a little bit more of a tingle or pop to alert you to a certain area. We can say, the 900 pro x seems to be a mix of the zeus and 560s. Not too muddled by bass, and also not weak on bass.
Fresh, thank you so much for the reply, appreciate it! Honestly can't say this enough, but you're content really sticks out from the rest catering towards the community of audiophile gaming. There are more intricacies than just 'this has great imaging/soundstage so it's great for gaming'. Rather it's more in depth with things like directionality, audio cues, presence, and crosshair placement, differentiating all of these amazing cans from each other. Also, the fact that you make comparisons to cans that no one does, so that it's much easier for the audience who haven't heard them have a better idea as to how they would sound in reference to others (also the fact that I just really wanted to know how the Zeus compares to 900 pro x in music lol). Great work, and just enjoy what you're doing.
@@NootNoot. ty!!
Fantastic series, it has been very helpful! Would be great to see you throw it in a playlist to make it a bit easier to go through, with as many parts as there are now.
A few recommendations I would love to see you cover
1. HiFiMan Ananda (supposed to be the best Hifiman for gaming)
2. AKG K702 (Supposed to (surprisingly) be better than the K712 Pro)
3. Meze Empyrean - doesn't get a lot of coverage
4. Sennheiser HD 660 S - Would be fun to round off the Sennheiser picks!
5. Audeze LCD 2 Classic - another uncommon brand
Obviously, it'd be fun to see you review everything under the sun, I appreciate that you are someone that uses them at a highly competitive gaming level.
Also at some point, a wrap-up "Wallhack Headphone Tier List" would be an amazing capstone for the series!
Great idea actually. I’m going to set that up
Yes HD660s I’ve heard good things about
First of all, congratulations for the work you are doing! You bring comparisons with the highest quality products and all focussed on competitive fps. I listened to your advice so I took dt 900 prox and ifi zen dac v2. I play Apex legends and I noticed that if I raise the volume beyond 11 hours when I shoot literally explode my ears and the steps are not heard so much ... there is there no way to lower the volume of shots so that I can raise the volume more and hear the steps more? I tried other games such asassin creed and forza horizon and the headphones sound like a crystal clear sound god. There is not this distortion when I raise the volume or in any case it is not so accentuated ..
No, just have to get used to the sound of gun shots and steps simultaneously. Make sure bass boost is off. You might be able to eq down the bass as well
Are you still happy ? How is it with racing games ? 😊
I'm surprised you haven't tried reviewing the Sennheiser HD660s. I have tried them in the store and the imaging seems to be really good. A lot of good reviews coming from different sources saying the same. Hope you give those a try too.
And here am i with my steelseries arctis 5 i hated their audio since day 1 xd
For Audio! if it has RGB and is made by a "gaming" company... dont buy it.. there will probabely be better options..
Thanks for the review
Just finished my hd560s + zen dac v2 combo and now I want to try DT 900 Pro X. Just to try this more "fun" sound. Even with truebass on zen dac I feel that hd560s missing something
Same boat and I've only had 560S for 2 weeks and I EQ'd the crap out of them on my Magni. I'm like 95% satisfied... it's just that extra punch I'm looking for. The warmth and sub bass is very good. Did you ever go for 900 Pro X ?
@@drewmorg. Yeah I got 900 pro X. For gaming it feels like for fps imaging is better on 900 pro x but for content and immersion (bigger soundstage) I still find hd560s more clear with 5 db bass shelf. So yeah I consider dt 900 pro x as sidegrade.
In the end I got Edition XS + Fiio k7 + balanced cable. It gave me planar bass with punch + wider soundstage and superior imaging. Bass is fun but it's not cutting of treble in heavy audio mix or scene. Separation on planar headphones was just next level for me. I would recommend Edition XS as upgrade and not bother about 900 pro X. HD 560s are not so far away from dt900 pro x + with EQ you shouldnt even bother
@@EvLTimE Really really appreciate it. I have 2 friends with XS and who have been in the audio game much longer than me with high end gear (Senn 6 series etc). They both fully recommend XS. My only issue is the fit.
@@drewmorg. fit could be issue but I saw on forums and that guys buy some additional headband. Check something like "Geekria Large Hook and Loop Headband Cover" so it could fixed issues with fitting. Imho Edition XS is worth trying even with workarounds like this. I don't know if there any better headphones in 400-500 price range and sound improvment for money spent.
thanks for the video. you should try the audio-technica ath-r70x in a part 7 ;)
Just really found your channel and I am really liking your video reviews! I would like to see you try out some Audeze headphones cause they make amazing headphones but I would like to see your opinion on them. Keep up the great work!
I’ve been thinking of the penrose !
@@FreshReviewsYT I have those for Playstation and Xbox. I like them a lot and a pro tip in case you didn't know you can get the Xbox version and it will work with both systems and PC. You might want to check out their LCD-GX for gaming. I have the LCD-X 2020 version that I bought the LCD boom microphone for and I use that a lot as well. It and my Focal Clear MG are my most used.
@@rilchu3037 I had the penrose x for my Xbox series x. I thought they were alright. Wish I could have tried them with my PC though before I returned them. Either way I’m very happy with the 900 pro x’s
So competitive speaking, The 900 Pro X is just a better 560s? Or is the 560s just better competitively but by a small margin
when people say "for gaming" I just kinda hate how its just *assumed* for shooters. What if I want to enjoy the background music, but of course still hear the audio ques for mechanics?
Like shooters arent the only games.
But still this video was very informative, good job.
I have a ton of stuff that works for both. But my series focuses more on competitive gaming
I know you are more into IEM these days rather than headphones but Can you do a gaming review for Audio Technica M50x and the Sony MDR 7506? Both are the most used industry standard studio monitors. Would be great to see how they perform for gaming. I would imagine they are also used to design game audio too…. And how do they compare to the legendary Hyperx Cloud 2/Alpha… Thank you! Help up the great work!
Thanks! Will keep them in mind
very helpful thanks i was origanlly looking at the 700 pro x but youve changed my mind as i mainly play CS or Valo
Good afternoon. Would you be able to review the headphones on the Cs2? I learned that Cs2 changed the game's sound system. Thanks ?
Hey @FreshReviews, love your reviews. Which of these three options would you recommend would pair well with the Topping DX 3 Pro +? I mistenly bought the DT990 Pro's and don't want to make the same mistake twice. Even with the DX3 Pro + they sound a bit quiet, and my main use is gaming. Thanks!!
Whelp, looks like I found my next pair of headphones, thanks Freshy for the great content as always!!
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Watched all of your videos. The DT 900 Pro X it is.
Thank you so much for your invaluable work!
Thank you!!
Hopefully a company brings out a mini xlr to mic situation like you can do on the 560s with an ablet. Ultimate gaming headset then
Ablet makes a mini XLR mic already.
@@robf4512 Just had a look, you're correct! It's for the AKG headphones
I know this comment is late but I was wondering if you could suggest any DAC/Amps that I could pair with my 560s that not only had audio output but a microphone input as well. I plug my 3.5mm mic directly into the 560s. Tried the schiit fulla but it compresses my mic way too much. Thank you!
900 Pro X or Tygr 300r for gaming?
EDIT: Bought 900 Pro X alongside an ifi Zen Dac V2, phenomenal headphones! Thanks Fresh for the push.
Well man after a long time my epos headset broke and I watched this and bought the 900 pro x and the Zen DAC so we will see if they have hold up