For anyone wondering about comparisons to the previous models, the DT770 is still worth considering for those who want more 'V', but I think the tuning is better on the DT 700. The DT-990 with fresh pads is pure pain and the DT-900 is far more tolerable... it would be interesting to compare them with both models having worn pads, maybe after 6 months of use.
sennheiser hd25, best closed back I have ever tested. I bought a dt770 80Ohm, the mids were so scooped, I put them back in the box and returned them. Still looking for a decent, light and mobile closed back, but hd25 kills everyone. not the most resolving and natural, but boy, it is young sounding, not old fart audiophile nice.
hd25, with large pads and copper cable though. Hd 25 you can run them balanced, beyer you can not, shame on beyer still no balanced cans!! my amp is good balanced, but really worse SE.
Hi! I'd have been much more interested in a direct comparison with the previous models tbh. Because the DT 700 pro X is 250€, while the old DT 770 is 130€. Is the price different worth it?
Did you check the "actually possible" detail retrieval of these new drivers when the foam discs in the front of the drivers are removed (+a bit of EQ)? I am curious if they are able to outperform e. g. the DT 770 in terms of technical performance without the thick foam dampeners.
Just for any1 else watching this. As someone with a big head. I have absolutely no issue with the comfort. The clamp force was never strong imo, but after like a week or wearing they went from comfy to the comfiest headphones ever. My only issue was the headband would fall down and after an hour or two the top of my head would be tired. But that went away. Idk if I changed something or what. But they're genuinely the most comfortable headphones I've worn in 20 years.
It is good to see the FR of studio headphones converges. Good for more consistent music production across the industry. Much better than 10 years ago when even 'reference' studio headphones have dramatically different FR.
Very useful review for me. Thank You. I just received my DT 700 cans. I bought them for utility listening and guitar amp playing. They are adequate for that purpose. For my critical music listening I've been using my 'Focal Clear' for over 2 years now. When I listened to my usual music with the 700's for the first time I was kind of shocked how poor they sounded. Highs mids and bass response and balance is a deflating listening experience. That was kind of expected but still a shock though. The wear comfort takes a little while to get used to. As You said they clamp a little hard in the front. Well, not good for audio quality time but okay for internet audio etc.
Yep, 700 blows the water out of 900/990/880/770, and probably 1770 and 1990, too. Very likely the BEST Beyer model on the current market. It's as if a different company tuned it lol.
Thank you for framing these two in terms of their relative prices and value for money. A lot says the 900 sounds better overall than the 700 then there is what you are using it for. Which hasn’t helped. But this has. Thanks again!
Beyer buildquality with sundara sound would be a dream. My sundara has some weird mechanical sounds in the cups with slightest movement of my head. Frustrating but otherwise the sound is great.
i think dt1990 pro could be your choice, not too far if not better than sundara in term of detail sound stage. although missing some sound signature of a planer magnetic headphone of the sundara but it is the closest to sundara
I mean, it might be possible if you bought both. Take the internals of the Sundara and put them into a Beyer. You'd have to drill a hole in the other cup, but it's possible. Now the question is if they would sound the same. Probably not.
@@brandonkey181 if thats possible then its gonna be so amazing. Nobody gonna want to move those 'fragile' planar components into beyer's even though it might be possible. soooo many complaints about build quality of hifiman's driver.
@Xirpzy if youre talking about a „clicking“ noise in the sundaras, I had that too. For me it came from the pads or the pad mounting… I got myself the dekoni elite hybrid and its completely gone. Comfort also improved greatly for me and Sound quality didnt change in any noticeable way (good thing).
I recently bought and compared a lot of headphones: HyperX Cloud 2 and 3, Razer Kraken 2019, HD599, HD560s, K612 Pro, K702, DT 900 Pro X, Sundara. A few years ago I also tried the DT 990 Pro. I returned them all except the DT 900 Pro X. My problem with all, incl the 'so neutral' K612 Pro and HD560s is they still sound too V-shaped to me. My 2nd choise would be the HD560s for audio signature and great base. The DT 900 Pro X is still not great or perfect, but the best so far. It also has great comfort with just too high clamping force but that will be better over time. Specially the upper base till mids are very important for me. And I'm sensitive for treble so in that view I don't like most modern headphones at all, I rather have the opposite of a V-shape. The Sundara had the best comfort but was also the most expensive, and it's outside the headphone as loud as inside, and lacks base. I wish I could try the HD600, HD650, HD660S and HD660S2, but they're all way too expensive or because they're old models unavailable anymore.
I got some DT 900 Pro X's at a small discount a while back. I've since tried some other stuff that I do like better, but theres something about the 900 that I just enjoy so much, maybe its the bass and mids? In any case, subjectively I have 0 regrets owning this thing and it's gonna be my driver for many years to come
I have the DT 700 pro x since the launch and love it, good bass and mid range and smooth trebles, but it soundstage is too small. Please, do you know any headphone with similar frequency response and better soundstage without leaking too much? I don't mind to use EQ.
Late update to the squad: got the 700 x in three days ago and I fully resonate with everything Andrew said... They're blunt, they lack surface level details (some things are missing in comparison to the er2se) and they're a bit muddy. The bass is their sweet spot, with loads (perhaps excessive) of subbass and midbass... But the rest is, to put it simply, not good enough for the asking price. The thing that truly made me return them is the comfort tho, because while the pads have plenty of room and depth, they don't distribuite pressure very well due to a combination of shape, clamp force and small swivel ability, so ultimately they end up HURTING after twenty minutes or so. I'm going to praise the build and looks tho, they're pretty and sturdy!
I got the DT 700 Pro X at launch. My use case has been for monitoring while recording (these have superb isolation), as well as using at an office where I'm in an open floor plan and don't want to disturb my coworkers. Initially, I did think that the DT 700 Pro X was a bit harsh or sibilant, but that wore off within the first couple days of use. Compared to the DT 770 Pro, the DT 700 Pro X were much better isolating and had a better tuning in the treble (there was a bit more harshness on the DT 770 Pro, but still not a major difference in my experience). I bought these with a grain of skepticism, but I've been very pleased with how they sound. Not the headphone I would use for mixing (I have the HD 560S for that), but they're very comfortable and don't press up against my ears like the DT 770 Pro and have a pleasant V-shape without being overwhelming in either region.
@@musicxxa6678 my experience has been that the sound stage is decently wide for a closed back headphone. Good instrument separation and imaging-I can detect when a sound is in the center versus in front of my eye versus at ear level. But they’re not a speaker-like presentation. Definitely no worse than a DT 770 Pro.
I have AKG K371 and like them after EQ, but without EQ, they seem too dark to sound neutral. K371s tuning looks very good on the graph but in fact, they could be brighter
I've always liked the Beyerdynamic look as well. The 700 Pro X sounds like something I'd be interested in, but I already have the 177X Go...there's just no reason to buy yet another pair of headphones besides "it looks so cool I want it". lol
I bought the dt 900 Pro x, I only don't find the directional sound as good as my dt 990's. I bought them for gaming but ill be sticking with the DT 990's, they are cheaper and direction sound is more accurate (in my opinion).
You mention some open-back alternatives to the 900 Pro X but I found the HD6XX way too intimate and the others not bassy enough. Is there anything in its price bracket that can match the 900 Pro X's soundstage and bass quantity/quality ? I've heard both the 700 and 900 and prefer the 900 so far (coming from 770) but I am intrigued that there maybe a better open back to switch to for me? Soundstage and bass are my 2 main interests, with smooth treble due to sensitivity (the 900 treble is bordering okay, 770 had too much sometimes).
I have the AKG K371 and they're fine if you don't care for bass. I bought Phillips Fidelio X2 and they are really really muffled sounding, but nice bass. I had to slam a V shape on eq, with treble maxing out, and they're ok. They sound like some other bass heavy M&0 that I have, except open back for the X2. I'm looking to add treble and vocals to that bass without forcing it in eq.
Hello, I'm wondering which is best for Recording and Mixing. Would you say the 770's is good for recording and Mixing, or the 900 Pro X is better for mixing . I was told that the 1990 is the Best for Mixing over the 900 Pro X's are. Can y ou sheild some light on this subject . I would like your thougths on this matter.
Thanks dor uour reviews, really like them:) If you could go for any headphones under lets say 500 bucks. Almost only for fps and open world games. And also some movies… would uou say the imaging and sound stage of the maxwell is far behinde the dt900 pro x becuase of the open back? I never had open back before, but would like to change to it:) Thank you already for answering🥰 Cheers mike
Totally different pads comparing to DT880, 990, 770. They seem to be comfy. And different filter in front of the drivers - seems Beyer took the complains about screaming highs and no upper mids seriously. I just wonder how good is the DT700X comparing, say to very popular M50X (they squeak, just a bit too warm sounding and soundstage is small, pads are so, so and peal). I use Sennheisers for open back home use.
Btw, does the target FR account for hearing loss due to the normal aging process? We need to remember that past the age of 20 or so, most people start losing hearing starting from the upper highs and progressively into lower frequencies. By 30+ frequencies above 8k are also affected and by 50 or so even those above 2-4k are affected... It's a normal part of aging. So a headphone like dt900 with a mild under 5db treble boost may well sound neutral to most 30+ year olds with normal hearing. Whereas it may sound a little bright for a 20 year old and a little dull for a 50 year old. But still fairly close to neutral I assume... Considering out brains compensate for our hearing to some extent.
Dt900 is hardly bright. About 3db over target in the highs is really not much at all. HD560S had a similar spike a bit lower and Sundara is similarly bright as well. Also, I disagree regarding technical performance of them. Detail is excellent on the dt900 and 700 Imo. The driver is fast, tight and responsive. Distortion is really low and decay is fast across the board with no noticeable ringing issues. Where else does detail come from I ask? I don't hear any smearing either. Soundstage is quite nice for a closed back on the dt700 and better than on most other closed backs I tried. The dt900 sounds more open, but the soundstage is fairly intimate for an open back I guess. Still not tiny by any means. More 3d than that of HD600, with better depth and center image, and close to an Elex I think. BTW, Mark at Super Reviews also rates dt900 highly and places them above the Sundara for technical performance. Not sure if I can agree, but I do think they are at least close and I prefer dt900 because it sounds fuller, snappier and more engaging to me. I find Sundara a bit smoothed over and somewhat weak/limp sounding in the low end compared to dt900 and other good dynamic driver headphones.
THS : "Would've been nice to see a hard-shell case here, but I guess at around $300 it's a bit too much to ask" Me : *looks at Takstar's $70 headphones that come with hard-shell cases* : "Yeah, sure ... ?"
Hard to know what landed cost + margin targets each headphone is dealing with, so where you cut corners will be very different depending on the headphone, volumes, targeted price points etc. In short, you don't always compromise on the same things.
Takstar pro 82 right? mdr1a copy cat that I found better in many way (comfort/variation/metal hard case) even sound is impressing. Chi-fi is a thing now I guess
Wow both graphs look great. I'm surprised Beyer. No comparison to 1770 and 1990 ? I hated 1770 but i'm impressed by 1990. Wonder how these two stack up.
Why did you hate 1770? I wonder because I hated them too as they were too dark, and now I just reordered the 1990 that I had before 1770. I am just curious.
Andrew, would you take the Sundara over the 900 Pro X for critical listening, and an experience that's closer to reference?? The 900 Pro X is aimed at mixing/mastering etc. Curious.
Sonarworks also has a video on the DT 900 pro X. how comes that their curve is vastly different? i mean the bass "curve" shown here is literally unbelievably good, Planar level. i'm confused
Got the 770 for podcast listening. Returned it for the annoying cable. Got the dt 700 instead. For music I use my dt 1990 with the nfb 11.28 amp from audio gd. Super convenient that there is only 1 cable on my desk. I wanted closes backs for the little noise canceling I need. Imo they are way more comfortable then the dt 770. But for music the 1990 is much better imo, with the dekoni velour pads otherwise i don't like it that much
I've only tried the dt700 pro x and compared them with the dt770 80ohm version, and initial thoughts were 'WTF, where is all this bass coming from?? It is too much!!!' Then I compared them to my Dynaudio BM15 (with Dynaudio subwoofer), and it suddenly made sense. It basically sounds like a speaker system with subwoofer. Which on paper sounds amazing/brilliant/well done by Beyerdynamic, but then that does not mean the sound is actually all that comfortable, as having subwoofers on your head is not the same as having them in your room. Frequency response wise dt770 sound closer to Dynaudio, there basically almost no to little difference while comparing speakers vs cans. So I'd say they're more accurate (I have pleather earpads on, btw, as the velour ones are too bright and sound weird in the high upper mids/highs). Otherwise well done, Beyer! Oh, PS, I removed the inner inlays on them to look if it attenuates the bass and adds some sparkle, but it seems to not do that much... Also, there's a bit less bass when I run them off my M-Audio 1010LT PC card, with which I am mixing, so that helps. Wanna try the 900 pro x now.
Have you ever tried an open-back headphone with the subwoofer on in your room? I've been wondering about that. The DT 900 has good bass extension, but it still sounds quieter than the mids to me.
@@msd5808, I guess a subwoofer is a subwoofer, and a headphone will not match the bass levels properly (especially an open one!), unless you're getting something closed back like the above mentioned dt700 pro x, which will kinda sound similar, but at the expense of muddying some other frequency bands, as it's always a compromise! I got the 900's, they sound nicer to me (although I’d prefer to have a closed back headphone!), and bass amount seems more than adequate (remember - it is a compromise!). The bits I'm missing are to do with it being, in a way, even more V-shaped than the dt770 though. I am missing some narrow bit of mids that is usually making vocals stand out. I call them 'paper' or 'cardboard' frequencies, something around 1k. Basically, their absence makes the headphones sound 'cleaner', but instruments like vocals sit deeper in the mix and lack presence and warmth. This is the only drawback that I'm hearing in the dt900 pro x so far, apart from a slight imbalance in stereo panorama in my copy, which means that I'll have to replace it.
@@rayjuodas Interesting insights and your words for that frequency calling it paper or cardboard. I'm not sure how much I like the sound of the DT 900, though I think they are really meant for mixing audio, not enjoying music (I buy it nonetheless to listen to music). But what I meant by subwoofer was whether it's possible to turn on a subwoofer to the same music you're listening to on your open-back headphones, and then it adds bass to the room, which you hear through your open-back headphones, giving the sound a bass boost that it can't properly have without distortion in that kind of headphone. I think some people have tried it, but I forgot what they said, since it's kind of a weird idea and people would wonder what you're doing :)
@@msd5808 Sorry, I misunderstood :) I just tried doing that just now and... well, it is an experience :) But subwoofer needs to be cranked up quite high in order to feel it through the headphones. Any way you look at it, it is quite a weird idea for sure :) To me dt900 do not lack bass at all, and I like bass. But obviously people have different preferences and experiences and so on. Why don‘t you try the dt700 pro x instead? It has A LOT of bass.
I may have to try the DT 700, yeah. I guess I thought its frequency response looked a little wonkier and usually it's said open-backs have truer sound (I question that when it comes to electronic music, though). I did like Beyer's older DT 1350 portable headphones which were a bit like the HD 25 from Sennheiser, but more powerful sounding. They don't make them anymore and I messed up the driver on them I think from playing too loudly. @@rayjuodas
My Focal Elegias snapped the same week you released videos on the Aeon Closed X and DT 700 Pro X. The audio gods have spoken. Would you ever consider a closed back shootout part II with more budget closed backs? eg. DT700 Pro X, AKG 371, Aeon Closed X, Focal Elegias, etc.
Aeon X closed would probably be my pick at that price tag, unless you EQ, and then the Elegia gains some ground. It's less about what's best at that point, and more about which aspects you're drawn to. Best value is still K371.
Hi. How do you think the 48ohm impedance on the DT 700 Pro X will handle the 12 ohm output impedance on my source? Will use it on a guitar modeller with the mentioned output impedance and an audio interface with a 10ohm output impedance. Been really torn between the Pro X and the DT 770 250ohm for weeks now. Help.
DIYAudioheaven wordpress website measured the effect of output impedance on these two phones and showed little difference at 10 ohm. I myself don't hear much difference between my Sony PHA-1 (10 ohm) and my Apple USB-C adapter (1 ohm).
You're the only one that really describes the problem with the DT 900 Pro X that I also felt during my time with them (I sent them back btw). I really wanted to like these, but the overall impression of the sound was: muffled, cluttered, low-fi. Heck, the gaming headset PC38X just sounds better overall in music than these Beyers do!
I will be interested what you think of the new Sennheiser HD400 Pro and how they compare to the DT 900, since they are both marketed as studio headphones.
@@nepomukullmann3013 Bro I'm ordering dt 700 pro x today Meanwhile I'm using it for mixing.. Vocals certainly i did a high quality research between dt and sennheiser however 560s/600 hd/650 And more In the other side the newer versions of dt (x series) After a long research cost me months I'm standing on dt side and 700 pro x particularly noted its closed back but from what i hear it will do the job surpsingly better than 900 pro x open back in all environments because open backed headphones needs a really quite environment noted u can't use it for recording and dt 700 pro x gives u a flatter overall response and i see someone on UA-cam recommending it over the 900 even in mixing saying that he preferred it more and felt like it's more reference headphone than the 900 one in varieties of environments So afterall sennheiser is for the people who is obsessed with the bass things and dt for the people who is looking for a reference flat headphone.. Flat is fine with me so I'm gonna stay on dt side while most people advise me to
@@nepomukullmann3013 Yeah but it doesn't mean they can't be tuned slightly differently. 400 Pro are more balanced, less treble peak and more bass and the difference is noticeable and measured. You can find the measurements on headfi
It would be good to maybe add some info on professional use cases and not just listening as a hobby, specially with these types of neutral headphones that are made for the studio
HD6XX is quite detailed in the mids and okay in the highs. Low end is quite rounded. Imo DT770/990 is categorically more low-end sounding compared to the HD600-series. As the price would also suggest.
Picked up a 700 Pro X this week after trying the K371 for a while and coming to the conclusion that while I love the sound, the comfort level just isn't there for me. The K371 presses on my ears far too much and becomes quite uncomfortable after even 20-30 min. My impressions of the 700 Pro X aren't that dissimilar from Resolve's review so far. The pads are heaven, and I don't mind the clamp force, even after 3+ hours. I'm definitely getting that sort of muted or blurry quality when it comes to attack/decay of different notes as they are being played. The bass response comes off as noticeably more reserved/laid back compared to the K371 to me, which I believe shows up in the FR measurements as well. Overall detail, while not downright awful, is definitely a noticeable step down from some headphones in the price bracket, even a step down from the K371 in my opinion. The overall FR/tonality is great though. Haven't felt the need to EQ out of the box just yet. In the end, I'm not sure I will be sticking with the 700 Pro X. The lack of detail and muted quality really is noticeable, even without A/B testing it with something that does that better. Might just have to cave in and try the Celestee. Already have an OG Clear and love it. Maybe try the DCA Aeon X closed as well, though I'm worried that might be a little power hungry (I use an ifi hip-dac for my portable setup).
i bought the DT 900 Pro x a week and a half ago how long do they take to ship anyone know havent even got my shipping tracking yet. I got them on the beyrdynamic website
what do you think about the dt 900 pro x for competitive fps gaming? Saw badseedtechs recent video about gaming was wondering if you had time to try this one out before you submitted your part there.
@@TheHEADPHONEShow i see that surprises me to be honest. Was mainly considering the dt 900 pro x for a higher budget headphone otherwise i would've gone with the hd560s or tygr 300. I have the pc37x and really not liking it's imaging somehow. At least in Valorant.
I wish you wouldn't talk so fast. Want to get it over and done with? I for one found it impossible to get which AKG (?) headphones you were comparing these to in your conclusion.
This is the poorest review I have seen from The Headphone Show. I like very much the reviews done by Resolve BUT how a review on these two pieces could be done w/o comparison vs the predecessors?!!!! The DT770 pro and the DT990 pro are iconic headphones and skipping comparison vs the predecessors is equal to saying nothing. It might be that NA is the target of The Headphone Show and Audeze, for example, is iconic there, but in Europe, according to me, this is not the case.
I've been curious about these because I wasn't sure if they're meant to replace the 770 and 990 or be a new product in between those and the newer 1770/1990. I also don't really understand why the 990 price dropped so much, they used go 770
Yeah man noticed that even though he explained it thoroughly, it feels like something big is missing. Here's hoping he do a dedicated follow-up video after this one comparing the predecessors.
Well... sadly I do not have those two headphones on hand to compare with. So maybe there will be a follow-up video that includes all of them, if I can get some in of course. From memory, these new ones both have a better tuning than their respective older counterparts.
For anyone wondering about comparisons to the previous models, the DT770 is still worth considering for those who want more 'V', but I think the tuning is better on the DT 700. The DT-990 with fresh pads is pure pain and the DT-900 is far more tolerable... it would be interesting to compare them with both models having worn pads, maybe after 6 months of use.
sennheiser hd25, best closed back I have ever tested. I bought a dt770 80Ohm, the mids were so scooped, I put them back in the box and returned them. Still looking for a decent, light and mobile closed back, but hd25 kills everyone. not the most resolving and natural, but boy, it is young sounding, not old fart audiophile nice.
hd25, with large pads and copper cable though. Hd 25 you can run them balanced, beyer you can not, shame on beyer still no balanced cans!! my amp is good balanced, but really worse SE.
Thanks, we've all been waiting for respected reviewers to look at these.
Hi! I'd have been much more interested in a direct comparison with the previous models tbh. Because the DT 700 pro X is 250€, while the old DT 770 is 130€. Is the price different worth it?
Did you check the "actually possible" detail retrieval of these new drivers when the foam discs in the front of the drivers are removed (+a bit of EQ)? I am curious if they are able to outperform e. g. the DT 770 in terms of technical performance without the thick foam dampeners.
Just for any1 else watching this. As someone with a big head. I have absolutely no issue with the comfort. The clamp force was never strong imo, but after like a week or wearing they went from comfy to the comfiest headphones ever. My only issue was the headband would fall down and after an hour or two the top of my head would be tired. But that went away. Idk if I changed something or what. But they're genuinely the most comfortable headphones I've worn in 20 years.
It is good to see the FR of studio headphones converges. Good for more consistent music production across the industry. Much better than 10 years ago when even 'reference' studio headphones have dramatically different FR.
dead inside, like me LoL! Thank you for the look on the Beyers, Andrew
Very useful review for me. Thank You. I just received my DT 700 cans. I bought them for utility listening and guitar amp playing. They are adequate for that purpose. For my critical music listening I've been using my 'Focal Clear' for over 2 years now. When I listened to my usual music with the 700's for the first time I was kind of shocked how poor they sounded. Highs mids and bass response and balance is a deflating listening experience. That was kind of expected but still a shock though. The wear comfort takes a little while to get used to. As You said they clamp a little hard in the front. Well, not good for audio quality time but okay for internet audio etc.
I have the 700 Pro X and it is fantastic. I love the tuning
I wanna get it in a few days but i don't know to get it with amp or not if it makes a real difference i will get amp what do you think?
Yep, 700 blows the water out of 900/990/880/770, and probably 1770 and 1990, too. Very likely the BEST Beyer model on the current market. It's as if a different company tuned it lol.
Thank you for framing these two in terms of their relative prices and value for money. A lot says the 900 sounds better overall than the 700 then there is what you are using it for. Which hasn’t helped. But this has. Thanks again!
One of the best headphone reviewers out there imho. Great content.
Beyer buildquality with sundara sound would be a dream. My sundara has some weird mechanical sounds in the cups with slightest movement of my head. Frustrating but otherwise the sound is great.
same, sounds like the grills are flexing or something.
i think dt1990 pro could be your choice, not too far if not better than sundara in term of detail sound stage. although missing some sound signature of a planer magnetic headphone of the sundara but it is the closest to sundara
I mean, it might be possible if you bought both. Take the internals of the Sundara and put them into a Beyer. You'd have to drill a hole in the other cup, but it's possible. Now the question is if they would sound the same. Probably not.
@@brandonkey181 if thats possible then its gonna be so amazing. Nobody gonna want to move those 'fragile' planar components into beyer's even though it might be possible. soooo many complaints about build quality of hifiman's driver.
@Xirpzy if youre talking about a „clicking“ noise in the sundaras, I had that too. For me it came from the pads or the pad mounting… I got myself the dekoni elite hybrid and its completely gone. Comfort also improved greatly for me and Sound quality didnt change in any noticeable way (good thing).
I recently bought and compared a lot of headphones: HyperX Cloud 2 and 3, Razer Kraken 2019, HD599, HD560s, K612 Pro, K702, DT 900 Pro X, Sundara. A few years ago I also tried the DT 990 Pro. I returned them all except the DT 900 Pro X.
My problem with all, incl the 'so neutral' K612 Pro and HD560s is they still sound too V-shaped to me.
My 2nd choise would be the HD560s for audio signature and great base.
The DT 900 Pro X is still not great or perfect, but the best so far. It also has great comfort with just too high clamping force but that will be better over time. Specially the upper base till mids are very important for me. And I'm sensitive for treble so in that view I don't like most modern headphones at all, I rather have the opposite of a V-shape.
The Sundara had the best comfort but was also the most expensive, and it's outside the headphone as loud as inside, and lacks base.
I wish I could try the HD600, HD650, HD660S and HD660S2, but they're all way too expensive or because they're old models unavailable anymore.
Your mistake was not trying DT700. HD660s2 is very solid, also, but not worth 2x price
Really useful presentation with a good overview of specs as well as pros/cons, thank you!
I got some DT 900 Pro X's at a small discount a while back. I've since tried some other stuff that I do like better, but theres something about the 900 that I just enjoy so much, maybe its the bass and mids? In any case, subjectively I have 0 regrets owning this thing and it's gonna be my driver for many years to come
And I'm here listening from my DT900 Pro X ^^'
Think we'll ever get a full review complete with some EQ settings? Would love some for the 900.
yes agree
I have the DT 700 pro x since the launch and love it, good bass and mid range and smooth trebles, but it soundstage is too small. Please, do you know any headphone with similar frequency response and better soundstage without leaking too much? I don't mind to use EQ.
just watching beyern headphone reviews then notification about this pop-up... nice
Late update to the squad: got the 700 x in three days ago and I fully resonate with everything Andrew said... They're blunt, they lack surface level details (some things are missing in comparison to the er2se) and they're a bit muddy. The bass is their sweet spot, with loads (perhaps excessive) of subbass and midbass... But the rest is, to put it simply, not good enough for the asking price. The thing that truly made me return them is the comfort tho, because while the pads have plenty of room and depth, they don't distribuite pressure very well due to a combination of shape, clamp force and small swivel ability, so ultimately they end up HURTING after twenty minutes or so.
I'm going to praise the build and looks tho, they're pretty and sturdy!
I'm surprised you didn't like the 900's. From reading around online impressions all seemed very positive.
I got the DT 700 Pro X at launch. My use case has been for monitoring while recording (these have superb isolation), as well as using at an office where I'm in an open floor plan and don't want to disturb my coworkers.
Initially, I did think that the DT 700 Pro X was a bit harsh or sibilant, but that wore off within the first couple days of use. Compared to the DT 770 Pro, the DT 700 Pro X were much better isolating and had a better tuning in the treble (there was a bit more harshness on the DT 770 Pro, but still not a major difference in my experience). I bought these with a grain of skepticism, but I've been very pleased with how they sound. Not the headphone I would use for mixing (I have the HD 560S for that), but they're very comfortable and don't press up against my ears like the DT 770 Pro and have a pleasant V-shape without being overwhelming in either region.
How is the soundstage ? I have Ananda and still miss the DT770's soundstage.
@@musicxxa6678 my experience has been that the sound stage is decently wide for a closed back headphone. Good instrument separation and imaging-I can detect when a sound is in the center versus in front of my eye versus at ear level. But they’re not a speaker-like presentation. Definitely no worse than a DT 770 Pro.
Thanks for the comparison witht he previous model. Wish reviewers would have done it. I cannot find any direct comparison by a reliable reviewer.
Why is Sennheiser 560s better for mixing than the DT 700 Pro X?
I have AKG K371 and like them after EQ, but without EQ, they seem too dark to sound neutral. K371s tuning looks very good on the graph but in fact, they could be brighter
Great vid! my take on these was similar. Good for pros but audiophiles will probably enjoy them less.
I've always liked the Beyerdynamic look as well. The 700 Pro X sounds like something I'd be interested in, but I already have the 177X Go...there's just no reason to buy yet another pair of headphones besides "it looks so cool I want it". lol
I bought the dt 900 Pro x, I only don't find the directional sound as good as my dt 990's. I bought them for gaming but ill be sticking with the DT 990's, they are cheaper and direction sound is more accurate (in my opinion).
You mention some open-back alternatives to the 900 Pro X but I found the HD6XX way too intimate and the others not bassy enough. Is there anything in its price bracket that can match the 900 Pro X's soundstage and bass quantity/quality ? I've heard both the 700 and 900 and prefer the 900 so far (coming from 770) but I am intrigued that there maybe a better open back to switch to for me? Soundstage and bass are my 2 main interests, with smooth treble due to sensitivity (the 900 treble is bordering okay, 770 had too much sometimes).
You can maybe try the Audio Technica ATH R70x
Year later but bumping this.
Sony MDR-MV1 Open Back
Impressed by the fact there's no review on the myticals HD25.
I have the AKG K371 and they're fine if you don't care for bass. I bought Phillips Fidelio X2 and they are really really muffled sounding, but nice bass. I had to slam a V shape on eq, with treble maxing out, and they're ok. They sound like some other bass heavy M&0 that I have, except open back for the X2. I'm looking to add treble and vocals to that bass without forcing it in eq.
Hello,
I'm wondering which is best for Recording and Mixing. Would you say the 770's is good for recording and Mixing, or the 900 Pro X is better for mixing . I was told that the 1990 is the Best
for Mixing over the 900 Pro X's are. Can y ou sheild some light on this subject . I would like your thougths on this matter.
Thanks dor uour reviews, really like them:)
If you could go for any headphones under lets say 500 bucks. Almost only for fps and open world games. And also some movies… would uou say the imaging and sound stage of the maxwell is far behinde the dt900 pro x becuase of the open back?
I never had open back before, but would like to change to it:)
Thank you already for answering🥰
Cheers mike
Whenever I think of beyerdynamic bear is always in my mind, and have made my day
Totally different pads comparing to DT880, 990, 770. They seem to be comfy. And different filter in front of the drivers - seems Beyer took the complains about screaming highs and no upper mids seriously.
I just wonder how good is the DT700X comparing, say to very popular M50X (they squeak, just a bit too warm sounding and soundstage is small, pads are so, so and peal). I use Sennheisers for open back home use.
Ah, finally I found someone who knows what he's talking about while making these reviews.
I've heard a lot of people having problems with the cables n the foam cussion ob dt700's. Have many people had this problem?
How are these compared to the Audio-Technica ATH-M50X which I own, comfortable and sound comparison?
Btw, does the target FR account for hearing loss due to the normal aging process? We need to remember that past the age of 20 or so, most people start losing hearing starting from the upper highs and progressively into lower frequencies. By 30+ frequencies above 8k are also affected and by 50 or so even those above 2-4k are affected... It's a normal part of aging. So a headphone like dt900 with a mild under 5db treble boost may well sound neutral to most 30+ year olds with normal hearing. Whereas it may sound a little bright for a 20 year old and a little dull for a 50 year old. But still fairly close to neutral I assume... Considering out brains compensate for our hearing to some extent.
Dt900 is hardly bright. About 3db over target in the highs is really not much at all. HD560S had a similar spike a bit lower and Sundara is similarly bright as well.
Also, I disagree regarding technical performance of them. Detail is excellent on the dt900 and 700 Imo. The driver is fast, tight and responsive. Distortion is really low and decay is fast across the board with no noticeable ringing issues. Where else does detail come from I ask? I don't hear any smearing either.
Soundstage is quite nice for a closed back on the dt700 and better than on most other closed backs I tried. The dt900 sounds more open, but the soundstage is fairly intimate for an open back I guess. Still not tiny by any means. More 3d than that of HD600, with better depth and center image, and close to an Elex I think.
BTW, Mark at Super Reviews also rates dt900 highly and places them above the Sundara for technical performance. Not sure if I can agree, but I do think they are at least close and I prefer dt900 because it sounds fuller, snappier and more engaging to me. I find Sundara a bit smoothed over and somewhat weak/limp sounding in the low end compared to dt900 and other good dynamic driver headphones.
🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷👏🏻, Thanks for this review! So informative!
THS : "Would've been nice to see a hard-shell case here, but I guess at around $300 it's a bit too much to ask"
Me : *looks at Takstar's $70 headphones that come with hard-shell cases* : "Yeah, sure ... ?"
Hard to know what landed cost + margin targets each headphone is dealing with, so where you cut corners will be very different depending on the headphone, volumes, targeted price points etc. In short, you don't always compromise on the same things.
Takstar pro 82 right?
mdr1a copy cat that I found better in many way (comfort/variation/metal hard case) even sound is impressing. Chi-fi is a thing now I guess
Hah those were the first decent headphones i bought and I still keep the case. Not sure where the actual headphones are but the case I still have
Wow both graphs look great. I'm surprised Beyer. No comparison to 1770 and 1990 ? I hated 1770 but i'm impressed by 1990. Wonder how these two stack up.
Why did you hate 1770?
I wonder because I hated them too as they were too dark, and now I just reordered the 1990 that I had before 1770.
I am just curious.
@@MihneaTheodor2684 Yeah too dark and bassy. Doesn't seem detailed enough. 1990 was great.
Andrew, would you take the Sundara over the 900 Pro X for critical listening, and an experience that's closer to reference?? The 900 Pro X is aimed at mixing/mastering etc. Curious.
Sundara is better across the board yeah.
@@ResolveReviews Cheers ;)
Sonarworks also has a video on the DT 900 pro X.
how comes that their curve is vastly different? i mean the bass "curve" shown here is literally unbelievably good, Planar level.
i'm confused
How did the 900 X treble change over time?
Got the 770 for podcast listening. Returned it for the annoying cable. Got the dt 700 instead. For music I use my dt 1990 with the nfb 11.28 amp from audio gd. Super convenient that there is only 1 cable on my desk. I wanted closes backs for the little noise canceling I need. Imo they are way more comfortable then the dt 770. But for music the 1990 is much better imo, with the dekoni velour pads otherwise i don't like it that much
What would be better to monitor voice over work in your opinion. I've never owned any of the bd headphones. I'm look at the 700 x
@@jcap8391 would be fine. Imo all of them are fine.
I've only tried the dt700 pro x and compared them with the dt770 80ohm version, and initial thoughts were 'WTF, where is all this bass coming from?? It is too much!!!' Then I compared them to my Dynaudio BM15 (with Dynaudio subwoofer), and it suddenly made sense. It basically sounds like a speaker system with subwoofer. Which on paper sounds amazing/brilliant/well done by Beyerdynamic, but then that does not mean the sound is actually all that comfortable, as having subwoofers on your head is not the same as having them in your room. Frequency response wise dt770 sound closer to Dynaudio, there basically almost no to little difference while comparing speakers vs cans. So I'd say they're more accurate (I have pleather earpads on, btw, as the velour ones are too bright and sound weird in the high upper mids/highs). Otherwise well done, Beyer!
Oh, PS, I removed the inner inlays on them to look if it attenuates the bass and adds some sparkle, but it seems to not do that much...
Also, there's a bit less bass when I run them off my M-Audio 1010LT PC card, with which I am mixing, so that helps. Wanna try the 900 pro x now.
Have you ever tried an open-back headphone with the subwoofer on in your room? I've been wondering about that. The DT 900 has good bass extension, but it still sounds quieter than the mids to me.
@@msd5808, I guess a subwoofer is a subwoofer, and a headphone will not match the bass levels properly (especially an open one!), unless you're getting something closed back like the above mentioned dt700 pro x, which will kinda sound similar, but at the expense of muddying some other frequency bands, as it's always a compromise! I got the 900's, they sound nicer to me (although I’d prefer to have a closed back headphone!), and bass amount seems more than adequate (remember - it is a compromise!). The bits I'm missing are to do with it being, in a way, even more V-shaped than the dt770 though. I am missing some narrow bit of mids that is usually making vocals stand out. I call them 'paper' or 'cardboard' frequencies, something around 1k. Basically, their absence makes the headphones sound 'cleaner', but instruments like vocals sit deeper in the mix and lack presence and warmth. This is the only drawback that I'm hearing in the dt900 pro x so far, apart from a slight imbalance in stereo panorama in my copy, which means that I'll have to replace it.
@@rayjuodas Interesting insights and your words for that frequency calling it paper or cardboard. I'm not sure how much I like the sound of the DT 900, though I think they are really meant for mixing audio, not enjoying music (I buy it nonetheless to listen to music). But what I meant by subwoofer was whether it's possible to turn on a subwoofer to the same music you're listening to on your open-back headphones, and then it adds bass to the room, which you hear through your open-back headphones, giving the sound a bass boost that it can't properly have without distortion in that kind of headphone.
I think some people have tried it, but I forgot what they said, since it's kind of a weird idea and people would wonder what you're doing :)
@@msd5808 Sorry, I misunderstood :) I just tried doing that just now and... well, it is an experience :) But subwoofer needs to be cranked up quite high in order to feel it through the headphones. Any way you look at it, it is quite a weird idea for sure :) To me dt900 do not lack bass at all, and I like bass. But obviously people have different preferences and experiences and so on. Why don‘t you try the dt700 pro x instead? It has A LOT of bass.
I may have to try the DT 700, yeah. I guess I thought its frequency response looked a little wonkier and usually it's said open-backs have truer sound (I question that when it comes to electronic music, though).
I did like Beyer's older DT 1350 portable headphones which were a bit like the HD 25 from Sennheiser, but more powerful sounding. They don't make them anymore and I messed up the driver on them I think from playing too loudly.
@@rayjuodas
How does the soundstage sound compared to the HD6XX?
Great Review 👍
Utilitarian to the core.
My Focal Elegias snapped the same week you released videos on the Aeon Closed X and DT 700 Pro X. The audio gods have spoken.
Would you ever consider a closed back shootout part II with more budget closed backs? eg. DT700 Pro X, AKG 371, Aeon Closed X, Focal Elegias, etc.
Aeon X closed would probably be my pick at that price tag, unless you EQ, and then the Elegia gains some ground. It's less about what's best at that point, and more about which aspects you're drawn to. Best value is still K371.
Hi. How do you think the 48ohm impedance on the DT 700 Pro X will handle the 12 ohm output impedance on my source? Will use it on a guitar modeller with the mentioned output impedance and an audio interface with a 10ohm output impedance.
Been really torn between the Pro X and the DT 770 250ohm for weeks now.
Help.
DIYAudioheaven wordpress website measured the effect of output impedance on these two phones and showed little difference at 10 ohm. I myself don't hear much difference between my Sony PHA-1 (10 ohm) and my Apple USB-C adapter (1 ohm).
i want hard rumbling bass for future garage type music., do i go 700 or 770 ?
770
when will you come out with the EQ profile?
Which one would be better for gaming and listening to music?
900
Anyone got the pinout of the cable for these headphones?
auto eq for 900 pro x coming anytime soon ?
You're the only one that really describes the problem with the DT 900 Pro X that I also felt during my time with them (I sent them back btw). I really wanted to like these, but the overall impression of the sound was: muffled, cluttered, low-fi. Heck, the gaming headset PC38X just sounds better overall in music than these Beyers do!
I’m coming from the 770(250ohm) and wanted to upgrade to the 900 Pro X for a more open wider soundstage etc, but now I’m having second thoughts!
I will be interested what you think of the new Sennheiser HD400 Pro and how they compare to the DT 900, since they are both marketed as studio headphones.
DT 900 NO DOUBT
HD400 Pro is just a repainted HD560S (confirmed by Sennheiser themselves). You could look for comparisons with that.
@@nepomukullmann3013
Bro I'm ordering dt 700 pro x today
Meanwhile I'm using it for mixing.. Vocals certainly i did a high quality research between dt and sennheiser however 560s/600 hd/650
And more
In the other side the newer versions of dt (x series)
After a long research cost me months I'm standing on dt side and 700 pro x particularly noted its closed back but from what i hear it will do the job surpsingly better than 900 pro x open back in all environments because open backed headphones needs a really quite environment noted u can't use it for recording and dt 700 pro x gives u a flatter overall response and i see someone on UA-cam recommending it over the 900 even in mixing saying that he preferred it more and felt like it's more reference headphone than the 900 one in varieties of environments
So afterall sennheiser is for the people who is obsessed with the bass things and dt for the people who is looking for a reference flat headphone.. Flat is fine with me so I'm gonna stay on dt side while most people advise me to
@@lHUSAMl HD400 Pro are more detailed
@@nepomukullmann3013 Yeah but it doesn't mean they can't be tuned slightly differently. 400 Pro are more balanced, less treble peak and more bass and the difference is noticeable and measured. You can find the measurements on headfi
It would be good to maybe add some info on professional use cases and not just listening as a hobby, specially with these types of neutral headphones that are made for the studio
less detailed than HD6XX? How is it even possible.
And what about 900pro vs 990pro (100€) lol! This is absurd Beyer!
I mean, 6x0 series is pretty good at technical performance for the price
HD6XX is quite detailed in the mids and okay in the highs. Low end is quite rounded. Imo DT770/990 is categorically more low-end sounding compared to the HD600-series. As the price would also suggest.
@@hartyewh1 Yeh, i love my senns more than any beyers but that is just another story :D
you do not want to much detail in pro headphones, at least your main ones.
Picked up a 700 Pro X this week after trying the K371 for a while and coming to the conclusion that while I love the sound, the comfort level just isn't there for me. The K371 presses on my ears far too much and becomes quite uncomfortable after even 20-30 min.
My impressions of the 700 Pro X aren't that dissimilar from Resolve's review so far. The pads are heaven, and I don't mind the clamp force, even after 3+ hours. I'm definitely getting that sort of muted or blurry quality when it comes to attack/decay of different notes as they are being played. The bass response comes off as noticeably more reserved/laid back compared to the K371 to me, which I believe shows up in the FR measurements as well. Overall detail, while not downright awful, is definitely a noticeable step down from some headphones in the price bracket, even a step down from the K371 in my opinion. The overall FR/tonality is great though. Haven't felt the need to EQ out of the box just yet.
In the end, I'm not sure I will be sticking with the 700 Pro X. The lack of detail and muted quality really is noticeable, even without A/B testing it with something that does that better. Might just have to cave in and try the Celestee. Already have an OG Clear and love it. Maybe try the DCA Aeon X closed as well, though I'm worried that might be a little power hungry (I use an ifi hip-dac for my portable setup).
is the bass better on the 700 Pro X? I would assume it is no contest?
@@AbideinChristSealed K371 have more bass
Really sad with the state of things smh. Hope they come out with a planar some day
Thoughts on gaming with these stuffs?
Better off with the TYGR
@@TheHEADPHONEShow any other recs with a detachable cable and able to power off a controller?
If you have DT990, not recommend to buy DT900 PRO X. You should buy DT700 PRO X for new and better experience.
DCA Aeon X Closed or Beyerdynamic DT 700 Pro X? soundwise?
Aeon x
"almost DROPPED it".....forshadowing?
🎷This town is a HiFi town🎼 It’s the kind of town that will try to push the NoFi gear around 🙂
I wanna have one of these for modding so badddd
Very informative comparison! Thank you for the great video! The DT700 definitely has peaked my interest.
i bought the DT 900 Pro x a week and a half ago how long do they take to ship anyone know havent even got my shipping tracking yet. I got them on the beyrdynamic website
Non, le HDXX dans cette tranche de prix n'est pas aussi détaillé...
strictly for gaming purposes: immersion and competive. which one would be better: DT 770 vs DT 700 vs DT 1770?
Tyler version for gaming
what do you think about the dt 900 pro x for competitive fps gaming? Saw badseedtechs recent video about gaming was wondering if you had time to try this one out before you submitted your part there.
I'd still take the HD 560 S. The dt-700 though would be a good choice
@@TheHEADPHONEShow i see that surprises me to be honest. Was mainly considering the dt 900 pro x for a higher budget headphone otherwise i would've gone with the hd560s or tygr 300. I have the pc37x and really not liking it's imaging somehow. At least in Valorant.
No get Tyler versions instead
check out the Fresh Reviews channel
best for fps gaming?
Border? You in Canada?
Yes.
can the go xlr mini handle this headphone perfectly?
A dynamic bear
I wish you wouldn't talk so fast. Want to get it over and done with? I for one found it impossible to get which AKG (?) headphones you were comparing these to in your conclusion.
I feel like it is a joke towards Logic Pro x
$300 for plastic 😢
This is the poorest review I have seen from The Headphone Show. I like very much the reviews done by Resolve BUT how a review on these two pieces could be done w/o comparison vs the predecessors?!!!! The DT770 pro and the DT990 pro are iconic headphones and skipping comparison vs the predecessors is equal to saying nothing. It might be that NA is the target of The Headphone Show and Audeze, for example, is iconic there, but in Europe, according to me, this is not the case.
You have a point of truth here.
I've been curious about these because I wasn't sure if they're meant to replace the 770 and 990 or be a new product in between those and the newer 1770/1990. I also don't really understand why the 990 price dropped so much, they used go 770
Yeah man noticed that even though he explained it thoroughly, it feels like something big is missing. Here's hoping he do a dedicated follow-up video after this one comparing the predecessors.
Well... sadly I do not have those two headphones on hand to compare with. So maybe there will be a follow-up video that includes all of them, if I can get some in of course. From memory, these new ones both have a better tuning than their respective older counterparts.
Literally the best FR graphs from a high end rig and you're saying this is a bad review?
I mean, c'mon.
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